Re: [MBZ] Farm truck - was Project anyone?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:
> 
> I was thinking a '72 (disc brakes) 1 ton with a 350. Good
> farm truck now that Dad's spending a bunch more time up
> there. 

Put a 6.2 L diesel with either an SM465 4-speed (no
overdrive) or an NV4500 5-speed (overdrive) into that pickup
and it would be mighty nice.  The overdrive 5th would help
if it was ever on the highway.  Put a torsen differential in
at least the front and you could get really far before
getting stuck!

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I like my 6.5 turbos even better

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On Jan 17, 2016, at 10:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Curt wrote:
>> 
>> I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l
>> or even the 5.7l in it. Actually lately I'm enamored of the
>> previous generation of GM trucks.
> 
> The 6.2 L is pretty decent.  Folk who complain about it being
> underpowered are comparing it to the high horsepower heavy
> duty pickups, etc.
> 
> The 6.2 L diesel and the 5.7 L gasoline with a carburetor
> drive very much the same - but the diesel gets a whole lot
> further on one gallon of fuel.  I have a couple '85 suburbans
> - one with the 5.7 gasoline and the other with a 6.2 L
> diesel.  The gasoline is shorter and lighter, and has never
> gotten better than 14 MPG, usually 11-12.  The tall, heavy
> diesel gets 18 MPG.  That engine in a similar chassis with
> similar air resistance would do even better.  So similar
> driving - 50% better fuel mileage.  I sure like mine!
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:27:34 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Kaleb wrote:
> > 
> > I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer,
> > I'm fixing to buy an alignment machine and learn how to do
> > alignments. Nobody around here can do one worth a darn and
> > they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with the
> > amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for
> > itself in no time. 
> 
> I use a $20 camber/caster gauge and a laser level for
> toe-in.  Oh, and a couple pieces of masonite with grease in
> between as turn plates.  It's not going to be as quick and
> easy as a $2000 machine - but there's a lot I can do with
> the $1950 I've saved!

Do you use a spreader bar, Philip? What kind of camber/caster gauge do
you use?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:27:29 -0600 Tom Savage via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well, the repair estimate just by walking around the car and using
> "used, reconditioned, or aftermarket" parts came to $14,500, so I guess
> it is worse than it looks.  Apparently an offset crash like that is
> particularly difficult to straighten out.

Which is probably why Mercedes uses offset crashes to test the integrity
of their cars' protection.


> On the upside, I settled with the insurance company on Friday after more
> contretemps than should be necessary, and purchased a one-owner 2009
> Bluetec with the same mileage for less than I got for my 2007.  We pick
> it up in Texas on Saturday.

Congratulations!

How did you find it?

How much did it cost?

Any pictures yet?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:
> 
> I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l
> or even the 5.7l in it. Actually lately I'm enamored of the
> previous generation of GM trucks.

The 6.2 L is pretty decent.  Folk who complain about it being
underpowered are comparing it to the high horsepower heavy
duty pickups, etc.

The 6.2 L diesel and the 5.7 L gasoline with a carburetor
drive very much the same - but the diesel gets a whole lot
further on one gallon of fuel.  I have a couple '85 suburbans
 - one with the 5.7 gasoline and the other with a 6.2 L
diesel.  The gasoline is shorter and lighter, and has never
gotten better than 14 MPG, usually 11-12.  The tall, heavy
diesel gets 18 MPG.  That engine in a similar chassis with
similar air resistance would do even better.  So similar
driving - 50% better fuel mileage.  I sure like mine!

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 17, 2016 3:43:04 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I actually am an election judge.  I worked the pools at the recent
>election
>in which a R won the race for Gov.  Obviously, there had to be rampant
>fraud for this to happen in MD.  Just not in my precinct.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I was thinking a '72 (disc brakes) 1 ton with a 350. Good farm truck 
now that Dad's spending a bunch more time up there. His Jeep isn't a 
terrific hauler.
Actually last fall when I was there squeezing the Dodge around on 
some of the woods roads I got thinking about buying a Suzuki Vitara 
or Sidekick to put the engine from my '98 Jetta into. The Jetta is 
very rusty and on borrowed time. Put 31" tires under the Suzuki with 
a lunchbox locker out back and it'd be a pretty good woods rig. Dad 
had a Chevy Tracker that was decent in the woods stock, better than 
his Jeep Liberty actually, he's had the Jeep stuck several times, 
never did stick the Tracker. Sadly it was destroyed by a drunk in a 
Subaru.

-Curt



The auto auction uses a fleet of viteras to run around on the lot, 
jump cars, etc.  They are very good for that and lightweight offroad. 
My cousin had a suz samurai in the 80s and he drove it hunting in the 
mountains and was quite happy with it except to get to the other side 
of the island (200-250 mile RT) had the little engine screaming all 
the time.  (I am sure it was louder than a 123 240D!)


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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rich wrote:
> 
> The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was
> dieselized and not very well

from http://www.dieselhub.com/idi/olds-diesel.html

There is an enormous misconception that the 350 Olds is based on GM's 350 gas 
engine. While they share similar architectural dimensions, this is a rumor. Not 
only would such a design be engineering suicide, but the gas engine would never 
live up to the cylinder pressures created by the 22.5 : 1 compression diesel. 
In fact, GM's official statement regarding these rumors was that "All of the 
major parts: block, crankshaft, rods, pistons, and lifters have been 
strengthened to handle the higher compression ratio." The rumor that the 
engines are related likely stems from a combination of the following:
• Because of the engine's identical bore and stroke, the Olds diesel could be 
manufactured using pre-existing tooling.
• Not only is it easy to assume the 350 diesel is based on the 350 gas engine, 
but owners and outsiders alike needed to place the engine's problems on 
something.
Regardless, the 350 Olds was capable of up to 30 miles per gallon in the right 
car and with the right driver. GM continuously tried to sell buyers on its Olds 
diesel by identifying it with "prestige" and "status". Unfortunately, by the 
time most of the kinks were worked out, their customers had fled. 

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Re: [MBZ] 280 SE on Craigs list

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

"A nice German gentleman is sending a check! It is sold! Well like to
think,it is going off too a nice new home? Another chapter in the life of
this old Benz!?! Chow!"

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes <
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> just do it ;)
>
> Darren Marshall
> Co-Founder
>
> http://doejo.com
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> > On Jan 16, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > *"We decided not too try and start the vehicle.The owner will not be near
> > the vehicle until next weekend.I cannot get onto the property until she
> > gets back into town.So I cannot get to the car until she is here.Paul"*
> > Make an offer before "owner" returns.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That could be really nice.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >> On January 16, 2016 6:57:52 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> 73 280SE 4.5 $3000.00 on Craigslist . No interest
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> michael...@mac.com
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was thinking a '72 (disc brakes) 1 ton with a 350. Good farm truck now that 
Dad's spending a bunch more time up there. His Jeep isn't a terrific hauler.
Actually last fall when I was there squeezing the Dodge around on some of the 
woods roads I got thinking about buying a Suzuki Vitara or Sidekick to put the 
engine from my '98 Jetta into. The Jetta is very rusty and on borrowed time. 
Put 31" tires under the Suzuki with a lunchbox locker out back and it'd be a 
pretty good woods rig. Dad had a Chevy Tracker that was decent in the woods 
stock, better than his Jeep Liberty actually, he's had the Jeep stuck several 
times, never did stick the Tracker. Sadly it was destroyed by a drunk in a 
Subaru.
-Curt
 

  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
   
I thought too the shovy oldsmodissel PU was available before 1982, 
but so far, I have no proof.  Wikipedia don't know...    I don't 
remember

63-66 shovy/GMC PU with an OM603 and fully synch 5 or 6 speed.

Thurs I drove by a camper park and saw a 57 or so Apache 36 one ton 
truck (flatbed), in what looked like the oxidized remainder of 
original red lacquer.  That was droolworthy, (and more scarce) but 
I'd prefer a 63-66 model.  One ton is nice. (Big enough to be 
actually useful)  Put airbag suspension under it and it'd ride nice 
too.

>Didn't they in the half ton at one point?
>I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l or even 
>the 5.7l in it.
>Actually lately I'm enamored of the previous generation of GM trucks...
>-Curt
>


  
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Re: [MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Here is one for Poos at a fifth the price

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5366582186.html

clay


Either the suspension is blocked up or works.

REAL heater controls, Left Right NO EVIL CRYPSLER ACC!

Worlds fastest production car in its day.

If I had time/space/money I'd bit on this one.

One of only 3 Vergassers that make me drool.

300SL
6.9
190D 3.2-16

Now: All out of my price range or too clapped out


AND:  Its GREEN!

AND: if it is "right" it is sitting on 15" bundts

NO UNDERHOOD PHOTOS! : < (

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It all depends on what the definition of "is" is   W.J Clinton (Slick 
willie trying to get out of willie trouble)


As previously posted, both factions are right.  It is a different 
block, but as you say, the same block can be built into a vergasser, 
and has the same dimensions as the 350 gasser.   There is no 
standardized definition of what Dieselized is.   I say strengthening 
the casting, using Diesel pistons etc. is Dieselizing an existing 
design, but your faction is also correct in that many internal parts 
were redesigned to dieselize the 350.


Grrr... Not true, they share displacement and thats about it. It was 
a special block which I'm given to understand the block is highly 
desirable for those looking to build a gasser.
The 2 basic problems were the lack of water separation as previously 
mentioned and the weak head clamping. Once they worked out the head 
bolts and people realized they needed a real water separator they 
were fine although under powered for the displacement.

-Curt


  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
  
The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized and

not very well

--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

 Curly wrote:

 My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
 back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
 nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
 life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

 I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
 diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
 or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

There was a 5.7 pickup available pre 82.  in 83 IIRC is when the much 
superior 6.2 came out.


On 1/17/2016 8:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I thought too the shovy oldsmodissel PU was available before 1982, but 
so far, I have no proof.  Wikipedia don't know...I don't remember


63-66 shovy/GMC PU with an OM603 and fully synch 5 or 6 speed.

Thurs I drove by a camper park and saw a 57 or so Apache 36 one ton 
truck (flatbed), in what looked like the oxidized remainder of 
original red lacquer.  That was droolworthy, (and more scarce) but I'd 
prefer a 63-66 model.  One ton is nice. (Big enough to be actually 
useful)  Put airbag suspension under it and it'd ride nice too.



Didn't they in the half ton at one point?
I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l or even the 
5.7l in it.

Actually lately I'm enamored of the previous generation of GM trucks...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I thought too the shovy oldsmodissel PU was available before 1982, 
but so far, I have no proof.  Wikipedia don't know...I don't 
remember


63-66 shovy/GMC PU with an OM603 and fully synch 5 or 6 speed.

Thurs I drove by a camper park and saw a 57 or so Apache 36 one ton 
truck (flatbed), in what looked like the oxidized remainder of 
original red lacquer.  That was droolworthy, (and more scarce) but 
I'd prefer a 63-66 model.  One ton is nice. (Big enough to be 
actually useful)  Put airbag suspension under it and it'd ride nice 
too.



Didn't they in the half ton at one point?
I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l or even 
the 5.7l in it.

Actually lately I'm enamored of the previous generation of GM trucks...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Da Korean Caddylak.  They are pretty nice cars and are fuel 
efficient.  Too bad they adopted the toada "push and pray/or die" in 
place of a real ign switch.   The smaller ones are ratty, but the 
sonata is nice for a modern vergasser.



https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5397465275.html

and there it is


clay

On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:



 Get rid of that W220 and get this land yacht. :)

 > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5333295194.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Now that I look at this I realized it wasn’t aTC#, but a Turismo.  You can see 
the badging on the “B” pillar.

Can you tell the car had been “Martha’ed”?

Dan


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is a TC3 that was purchased new by my Dad and later sold to me for 
> the wife to drive.  It was actually a fun little car and did well as far as 
> maintenance.  Dad had an aftermarket sunroof installed, adn I always recall 
> him reveling about how it didn’t leak (as if he expected all of them to do 
> so.)
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a Horizon TC3, right?
>> When they renamed the 024 and TC3, they called them what, Charger and 
>> Turismo?
>> Once upon a time, I wanted to get a pickup (Scamp? Rampage?) and put all the
>> good parts from 
>> a turbo Shelby Charger (seats, ground effects, drivetrain/brakes/suspension) 
>> on
>> it. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, that is a TC3 that was purchased new by my Dad and later sold to me for 
the wife to drive.  It was actually a fun little car and did well as far as 
maintenance.  Dad had an aftermarket sunroof installed, adn I always recall him 
reveling about how it didn’t leak (as if he expected all of them to do so.)

Dan


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's a Horizon TC3, right?
> When they renamed the 024 and TC3, they called them what, Charger and Turismo?
> Once upon a time, I wanted to get a pickup (Scamp? Rampage?) and put all the
> good parts from 
> a turbo Shelby Charger (seats, ground effects, drivetrain/brakes/suspension) 
> on
> it. 
> 
> Mitch. 
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Re: [MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A 6.9 without ACC? Seems odd...
-Curt
 

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this
   
Here is one for Poos at a fifth the price

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5366582186.html

clay

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> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5406525155.html
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Re: [MBZ] loudness

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A 240D wailing away at max speed (85? I forget now) is kind of loud but I never 
thought I had to yell over the engine. The turbo engines are quieter.
The 124s have the double firewall and much better sealing of the passenger 
compartment from the engine bay, they're also a lot slipperier through the air 
so theres less wind noise. The 60x engines are much more refined also.
When I've got someplace to park it for the winter I'll again have a 123, they 
are lovely to live with but honestly from a cheap to keep perspective my VWs 
are tough to beat. The '98 has cost me maybe $3500 total over the 2.5 years 
I've had it and it just crossed 270,000 miles. I think I've put almost 40,000 
of those on it but I'd have to check my records to be sure. Its going in for a 
tie rod and brake booster tomorrow but that'll be the first money I've put into 
it for like 6 months other than the bi-annual oil change I did just after 
Christmas.
-Curt
 

  From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Dwight Giles 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] loudness
   
Well yes i agree -my 124 is,quieter than my 123's. I just never thought of
them as loud. But prior to that the only diesels I drove were fire engines
with cab over  Detroit  diesels - they were loud.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 6:32 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Every 123 car I have owned I would consider loud on the highway as
> compared to a 124 or 210 for example.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > i have some 123 cars and i'd say they are pretty loud …. and i do adjust
> valves and mess with injectors from time to time
> >
> > i think i may have an exhaust leak …. maybe another failed flex pipe,
> from the turbo to the pipe …. on my main 300td
> >
> > i replaced it with a used part a few years ago
> >
> > i need to look, but am waiting until the weather is warmer
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > xx rick
> > Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this

[clay via Mercedes]

Here is one for Poos at a fifth the price

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5366582186.html

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Grrr... Not true, they share displacement and thats about it. It was a special 
block which I'm given to understand the block is highly desirable for those 
looking to build a gasser.
The 2 basic problems were the lack of water separation as previously mentioned 
and the weak head clamping. Once they worked out the head bolts and people 
realized they needed a real water separator they were fine although under 
powered for the displacement.
-Curt
 

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
   
The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized and 
not very well

--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>> Curly wrote:
>>
>> My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
>> back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
>> nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
>> life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.
> I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
> diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
> or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Didn't they in the half ton at one point?
I'd still like to have one of that generation with a 6.2l or even the 5.7l in 
it.
Actually lately I'm enamored of the previous generation of GM trucks...
-Curt
 

  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
   
> Curly wrote:
> 
> My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
> back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
> nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
> life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this

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> On January 17, 2016 at 8:43 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5406525155.html


Shoulda jumped on the Florida 6.3, and jumped hard. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 17, 2016 at 5:37 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:

> Look at what was parked next to it in the driveway:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkg5536h33ohrwt/img002.jpg?dl=0

That's a Horizon TC3, right?
When they renamed the 024 and TC3, they called them what, Charger and Turismo?
Once upon a time, I wanted to get a pickup (Scamp? Rampage?) and put all the
good parts from 
a turbo Shelby Charger (seats, ground effects, drivetrain/brakes/suspension) on
it. 

Mitch. 

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[MBZ] This guy wants $16.5k for this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5406525155.html

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Re: [MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/5397465275.html

and there it is


clay

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[clay via Mercedes]

I do not do amerkin iron.

clay


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Re: [MBZ] loudness

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Well yes i agree -my 124 is,quieter than my 123's. I just never thought of
them as loud. But prior to that the only diesels I drove were fire engines
with cab over  Detroit  diesels - they were loud.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 6:32 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Loudest POS i ever had the misfortune to drive was a frod Diesel 
school bus of about 1980-81.  It was terribly loud and shook like a 
dog killing a snake.  Of the same era IH Diesel busses were smooth 
and quiet.


At idle/stopped, the 110 with OM621 was noisy enough to let you know 
it was a Diesel, but even at 25 MPH, it was quiet.  The 115 was 
better and the 123 Diesel was still more quiet.  Each generation of 
MB Diesels gets more quiet, as do the Diesel pickups, at least when 
they leave the factory.


None are annoyingly noisy nor will they vibrate if all things are in order.

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Enlighten us oh sage of the Okie lands!

--R


Oldsmodissels were the same dimensions (Bore, Stroke, crankshaft etc) 
as the 350 gasser.  The casting was strengthened, but not enough.  So 
kleb et al claim it is not disselized vergasser.  However to quickly 
put out a dissel, they decided to make a dissel version of the 350. 
So the rest of us say it is a disselized vergasser.  Either way, it 
is a POS for the first several years.


The 6.2 was further strengthened and some dimensions changed, but 
still has a heritage based on the SBC.  It was more reliable, but 
still nothing like the OM engines of the same time.  While GM was 
designing the 6.2 POS, MB was designing the OM60x series, which IMHO, 
are still the best automotive Diesel engine.


Keep in mind that while GM was hawking the oldsmodissel PsofS, MB was 
selling the OM617 turbo in the USA in the 123 chassis, which is still 
going strong and highly desirable 40 years later.  Even the 115 OM617 
NA is considered desirable by many.  ('Specially if is is baby poop 
green.)


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Re: [MBZ] loudness

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well yes i agree -my 124 is,quieter than my 123's. I just never thought of
them as loud. But prior to that the only diesels I drove were fire engines
with cab over  Detroit  diesels - they were loud.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 6:32 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Every 123 car I have owned I would consider loud on the highway as
> compared to a 124 or 210 for example.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > i have some 123 cars and i'd say they are pretty loud …. and i do adjust
> valves and mess with injectors from time to time
> >
> > i think i may have an exhaust leak …. maybe another failed flex pipe,
> from the turbo to the pipe …. on my main 300td
> >
> > i replaced it with a used part a few years ago
> >
> > i need to look, but am waiting until the weather is warmer
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > xx rick
> > Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is a rumor.  The block is not the same block as the gasser, it is 
much heavier duty, the crank is different, pistons are different.  on 
the outside they look similar because they are designed to fit in the 
same sort of cars.  The valve covers are the same, the oil pan is the 
same, but that is about it.


On 1/17/2016 6:45 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

Enlighten us oh sage of the Okie lands!

--R

On 1/17/16 7:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Bzzzt, wrong

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized 
and not very well


--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

OK here is some info, I guess I might believe it.  Basically the same 
geometric "design" but with dieselized parts and such.


http://dieselhub.com/idi/olds-diesel.html

--R

On 1/17/16 7:45 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

Enlighten us oh sage of the Okie lands!

--R

On 1/17/16 7:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Bzzzt, wrong

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized 
and not very well


--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

The pinnacle of Olds 88’s were the years 1972-73….


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
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> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5333295194.html
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Enlighten us oh sage of the Okie lands!

--R

On 1/17/16 7:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Bzzzt, wrong

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized and not very 
well

--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I actually am an election judge.  I worked the pools at the recent election
in which a R won the race for Gov.  Obviously, there had to be rampant
fraud for this to happen in MD.  Just not in my precinct.


http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/14/dont-think-voter-fraud-happens-here-are-5-cases-from-2015-that-will-make-you-think-again/

http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/13/heritage-nearly-300-cases-voter-fraud/ 
THe comments are especially good.


To quote a song of the 60s:  "The times, they are a chagin'."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/10/growing-number-law-enforcement-officials-urge-licensed-owners-to-carry-guns.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/03/ulster-county-sheriff-carry-guns/

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-millward/second-ny-sheriff-urges-licensed-gun-owners-carry-their-weapons

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sheriff-guns-san-bernardino-shooting_5660c1b9e4b072e9d1c57545

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/wake-san-bernardino-sheriffs-urge-residents-carry-guns-n476291

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Bzzzt, wrong

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized and not 
> very well
> 
> --R
> 
> On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Curly wrote:
>>> 
>>> My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
>>> back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
>>> nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
>>> life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.
>> I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
>> diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
>> or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The 5.7 was basically your average Chebby 350 that was dieselized and 
not very well


--R

On 1/17/16 6:37 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:
> 
> OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting
> stripped somewhere…

Yea!!!

I like links _much_ better.

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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

North Riverfront, just north of downtown.  Here's the neighborhood where I
work: http://builtstlouis.net/northside/northbroadway01.html  The wreck was
on Hall Street, which is a sort of a Fury Road-meets-depressed Midwestern
industry speedway.

I live in St Charles, and the River is an effective protective rampart
against the crime and dysfunction.

Tom

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:47 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > Tom wrote:
> >
> > This did happen in the Detroit part of town, so services
> > expectations are pretty low.
>
> Where is the "detroit" part of town.  And are you still
> in/near St. Louis?
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs
> back then with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was
> nuts, but he put filter/separators on and had good service
> life.  Much better than contemporary gassers from detriot.

I don't think the pickups ever had a factory installed  5.7 L
diesel.  The 6.2 is _not_ the same engine as the 5.7 diesel
or any of the small-block gasoline of similar displacement.

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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I thought about that also.

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On Jan 17, 2016, at 5:27 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>> I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer,
>> I'm fixing to buy an alignment machine and learn how to do
>> alignments. Nobody around here can do one worth a darn and
>> they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with the
>> amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for
>> itself in no time.
> 
> I use a $20 camber/caster gauge and a laser level for
> toe-in.  Oh, and a couple pieces of masonite with grease in
> between as turn plates.  It's not going to be as quick and
> easy as a $2000 machine - but there's a lot I can do with
> the $1950 I've saved!
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Re: [MBZ] loudness

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Every 123 car I have owned I would consider loud on the highway as compared to 
a 124 or 210 for example.

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> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
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> 
> i have some 123 cars and i'd say they are pretty loud …. and i do adjust 
> valves and mess with injectors from time to time
> 
> i think i may have an exhaust leak …. maybe another failed flex pipe, from 
> the turbo to the pipe …. on my main 300td
> 
> i replaced it with a used part a few years ago
> 
> i need to look, but am waiting until the weather is warmer
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Well, the repair estimate just by walking around the car and using "used,
reconditioned, or aftermarket" parts came to $14,500, so I guess it is
worse than it looks.  Apparently an offset crash like that is particularly
difficult to straighten out.

On the upside, I settled with the insurance company on Friday after more
contretemps than should be necessary, and purchased a one-owner 2009
Bluetec with the same mileage for less than I got for my 2007.  We pick it
up in Texas on Saturday.

Tom

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So how bad would that be to "fix"?  It doesn't look that bad but I guess
> if the body/frame is all buggered that's pretty much it. Seems like most of
> the car and its bits would not have been affected, might be worth buying it
> back if you could knock them down on the price of the hulk.
>
> --R
>
> On 1/13/16 8:59 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Attached are a few pics of the carnage.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer,
> I'm fixing to buy an alignment machine and learn how to do
> alignments. Nobody around here can do one worth a darn and
> they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with the
> amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for
> itself in no time. 

I use a $20 camber/caster gauge and a laser level for
toe-in.  Oh, and a couple pieces of masonite with grease in
between as turn plates.  It's not going to be as quick and
easy as a $2000 machine - but there's a lot I can do with
the $1950 I've saved!

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Re: [MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

That's the French quarter pounder of Oldsmobile!  It actually doesn't 
look bad for $1200, would look better for $800


--R

On 1/17/16 5:48 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:

Get rid of that W220 and get this land yacht. :)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5333295194.html


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Re: [MBZ] loudness

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Do yours go to 11?

--R

On 1/17/16 5:47 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote:

i have some 123 cars and i'd say they are pretty loud …. and i do adjust valves 
and mess with injectors from time to time

i think i may have an exhaust leak …. maybe another failed flex pipe, from the 
turbo to the pipe …. on my main 300td

i replaced it with a used part a few years ago

i need to look, but am waiting until the weather is warmer

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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[MBZ] Clay needs to jump on this 1979 Oldsmobile delta 88 diesel

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Get rid of that W220 and get this land yacht. :)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/5333295194.html


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[MBZ] loudness

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

i have some 123 cars and i'd say they are pretty loud …. and i do adjust valves 
and mess with injectors from time to time

i think i may have an exhaust leak …. maybe another failed flex pipe, from the 
turbo to the pipe …. on my main 300td

i replaced it with a used part a few years ago

i need to look, but am waiting until the weather is warmer

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It was a barn find when I got it in 1983.  It had been purchased new by a local 
company who used it as a company car for two years.  They parked it in 1965 and 
it didn’t see the light of day until 1982, when the guy I bought it from took 
it out of storage. I think it had around 30k on the clock when I bought it.

A true land yacht.  Damned thing was nearly 20 feet long, longer than the 
Suburban I replaced it with in Wisconsin.

It’s hard to see, but the plate on the front is the original Indiana plate the 
car was registered with.

Look at what was parked next to it in the driveway:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkg5536h33ohrwt/img002.jpg?dl=0


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Truly awesome.  Now if you could barn find the car.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI


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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Like President  Kennedy  was riding in November  63 in Dallas.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 5:10 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nice car, although Lincoln Continental of the same vintage with suicide
> doors has a more classic appeal...
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There is a gray one up the road for sale in some guy's front yard, might
> > be a 64, have not looked to see how much.  It looks in quite good
> > condition, paint faded but straight.  He also has a 50s Chevy too that is
> > in good shape.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/16 4:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting stripped
> >> somewhere…
> >>
> >> So let’s try a Dropbox link:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/di6jw9hn1c6gcvp/img001.jpg?dl=0
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hmm.  Let’s try that again.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nice car, although Lincoln Continental of the same vintage with suicide
doors has a more classic appeal...

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There is a gray one up the road for sale in some guy's front yard, might
> be a 64, have not looked to see how much.  It looks in quite good
> condition, paint faded but straight.  He also has a 50s Chevy too that is
> in good shape.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/17/16 4:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting stripped
>> somewhere…
>>
>> So let’s try a Dropbox link:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/di6jw9hn1c6gcvp/img001.jpg?dl=0
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm.  Let’s try that again.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

There is a gray one up the road for sale in some guy's front yard, might 
be a 64, have not looked to see how much.  It looks in quite good 
condition, paint faded but straight.  He also has a 50s Chevy too that 
is in good shape.


--R

On 1/17/16 4:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting stripped somewhere…

So let’s try a Dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/di6jw9hn1c6gcvp/img001.jpg?dl=0



On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hmm.  Let’s try that again.



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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Truly awesome.  Now if you could barn find the car.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 4:52 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting stripped somewhere…
>
> So let’s try a Dropbox link:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/di6jw9hn1c6gcvp/img001.jpg?dl=0
>
>
> > On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm.  Let’s try that again.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK, I’m not seeing the attachment, meaning it’s getting stripped somewhere…

So let’s try a Dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/di6jw9hn1c6gcvp/img001.jpg?dl=0


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Let’s try that again.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hmm.  Let’s try that again.



> On Jan 17, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While cleaning out a closet today, I found a box of old photo albums.  In one 
> of them were pictures once presumed lost of my former 1963 Cadillac 60 Series 
> Special:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] OT-Ancient History

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While cleaning out a closet today, I found a box of old photo albums.  In one 
of them were pictures once presumed lost of my former 1963 Cadillac 60 Series 
Special:



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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa re: voting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The rules are very strict for MD EJs.  No cell phones, must be one rep of
each main party on the election team, must be able to lift heavy weights,
etc.  Several hours of pre-election training, and on election day the hours
are long 6AM - 10 PM - or later.  We have to reconcile every ballot box
vote by hand, with signtures for each machine by R and D party reps.
Despite all this, a R won.  We really do need to do a better job screening
potential voters.  ;)

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have this friend, an old black guy who is 81 and has been agitating
> longer than I have been alive.  A year or two ago he was all upset about
> this subject, basically saying it was to disenfranchise blacks.  I asked
> him how many people he thought would not be allowed to vote without an ID
> (which anyone can get for free from the DMV or somewhere, somehow).  He
> said a lot of old black folks were born at home, never had a birth cert,
> couldn't get an official ID, etc.  I asked him how many he knew like that,
> he didn't know any but was sure there were some.  So I asked how they could
> get social security, medicare, and other bennies without some kind of ID,
> he didn't really have an answer but was still sure there were some who
> would not be able to vote since they didn't have an official ID and
> couldn't get one.  I pointed out they could go get one, and he said it
> would be hard for them to do that, get a ride, etc.  So I asked how they
> got to the grocery, doctor, etc. some family probably took them.  Well he
> said they might be able to but the issue was how it looked, that it was
> like the poll taxes and tests and stuff, which a lot of black folks around
> here still remember.  So it really wasn't the practical issue of having an
> ID, it was how it was perceived.  I get that, but that doesn't keep anyone
> from voting or being disenfranchised (except the illegals who shouldn't be
> voting anyway).
>
> 3 yr ago I was in the (long) line to vote, next to this black guy who
> turns out is married to this (white) woman I know.  He was watching a lot
> of elderly black folks coming in, the (black) poll worker (there was a
> white woman and white guy too) was taking them to the booth and telling
> them how to vote for Obama.  This guy I am next to was getting really upset
> and finally went over to the black woman poll worker and engaged in a
> fairly heated conversation with her about it, that she had business going
> to the booth with anyone, and especially telling the old black people how
> to vote.  I'm sure they wanted to vote for Obama anyway, so not like she
> was changing anything, but it was improper.  Turns out he really detested
> Obama and had some very harsh things to say about him (had I said them I
> would be a racist), which was quite interesting.
>
> On the same aspect, another woman I know fairly well, who also knows the
> wife of this black guy who got upset, was a (Dem) poll observer.  She comes
> into the place after this happens, we get to chatting, I told her quietly
> that this guy was really upset about that, and she kinda shrugged it off,
> well they need help blahblah no big deal.  I'm sure if the situation had
> been reversed she would have had a fit, but since it is SC here, the dem
> votes don't really matter much anyway.  I did not let on to him what she
> was doing there ( he did not know her), he probably would have gone off on
> her, the wife then would have gone off on her at some point later on.
>
> Fun times!
>
> --R
>
> On 1/17/16 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
>> voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa re: voting

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I have this friend, an old black guy who is 81 and has been agitating 
longer than I have been alive.  A year or two ago he was all upset about 
this subject, basically saying it was to disenfranchise blacks.  I asked 
him how many people he thought would not be allowed to vote without an 
ID (which anyone can get for free from the DMV or somewhere, somehow).  
He said a lot of old black folks were born at home, never had a birth 
cert, couldn't get an official ID, etc.  I asked him how many he knew 
like that, he didn't know any but was sure there were some.  So I asked 
how they could get social security, medicare, and other bennies without 
some kind of ID, he didn't really have an answer but was still sure 
there were some who would not be able to vote since they didn't have an 
official ID and couldn't get one.  I pointed out they could go get one, 
and he said it would be hard for them to do that, get a ride, etc.  So I 
asked how they got to the grocery, doctor, etc. some family probably 
took them.  Well he said they might be able to but the issue was how it 
looked, that it was like the poll taxes and tests and stuff, which a lot 
of black folks around here still remember.  So it really wasn't the 
practical issue of having an ID, it was how it was perceived.  I get 
that, but that doesn't keep anyone from voting or being disenfranchised 
(except the illegals who shouldn't be voting anyway).


3 yr ago I was in the (long) line to vote, next to this black guy who 
turns out is married to this (white) woman I know.  He was watching a 
lot of elderly black folks coming in, the (black) poll worker (there was 
a white woman and white guy too) was taking them to the booth and 
telling them how to vote for Obama.  This guy I am next to was getting 
really upset and finally went over to the black woman poll worker and 
engaged in a fairly heated conversation with her about it, that she had 
business going to the booth with anyone, and especially telling the old 
black people how to vote.  I'm sure they wanted to vote for Obama 
anyway, so not like she was changing anything, but it was improper.  
Turns out he really detested Obama and had some very harsh things to say 
about him (had I said them I would be a racist), which was quite 
interesting.


On the same aspect, another woman I know fairly well, who also knows the 
wife of this black guy who got upset, was a (Dem) poll observer.  She 
comes into the place after this happens, we get to chatting, I told her 
quietly that this guy was really upset about that, and she kinda 
shrugged it off, well they need help blahblah no big deal.  I'm sure if 
the situation had been reversed she would have had a fit, but since it 
is SC here, the dem votes don't really matter much anyway.  I did not 
let on to him what she was doing there ( he did not know her), he 
probably would have gone off on her, the wife then would have gone off 
on her at some point later on.


Fun times!

--R

On 1/17/16 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.



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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I actually am an election judge.  I worked the pools at the recent election
in which a R won the race for Gov.  Obviously, there had to be rampant
fraud for this to happen in MD.  Just not in my precinct.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> Second that suggestion!
>
> I work as a poll inspector so have several years of experience in watching
> how polls are run..
>
> Sorry Andrew, you are way off the facts on this one.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew, please volunteer to be a poll worker, work the polls for a
> national
> > election, and let us know your thoughts after that.
> >
> > This has nothing to do with minorities or poor, this has everything to do
> > with the integrity of elections, and making sure that every real
> citizen's
> > vote counts.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
> > > voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 > Meade wrote:


 A 123 diesel is just plain loud.


It's all relative.  My 123 diesels are the quietest in my
fleet.  But I don't have a 140.


+1


The OM616 can be heard at idle; the 617 is less so.  At road speeds, 
the 123 is quiet. (as is the 110 with NO hood insulation)


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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely.

In fact, when I first went there they wouldn’t align my cars because they 
didn’t have the proper spreader bar.  The service writer guy I spoke of ordered 
one and called me when they got it in.  He was all put out that that they 
didn’t have one to begin with, as they had just gotten a brand new alignment 
rack.

Got that W140 diesel ready to show me?

Dan


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a chain here that is Tires plus also, have not had anything done 
> there in years but every time I go to one of those places they claim all 
> sorts of work needs to be done before they can align it. Does your guy use 
> the spreader bar and all that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The 82 was ok, you just need to put a real fuel filter and water 
separator on it.  They were still running fuel to the IP off the 
bottom of a stupid dinky little paper filter than was little more 
than door screen.


If your fuel was not perfectly clean, you were buying injectors.  Any 
water went directly to the injectors and ruined them.


My friend with the grain elevator used to buy shovey PUs back then 
with the oldsmodiesel in them.  I told him he was nuts, but he put 
filter/separators on and had good service life.  Much better than 
contemporary gassers from detriot.




IRC by '82 they weren't terrible engines but the damage was already done.
I was talking to some old timers at a local lunch spot the other 
day, one guy had a diesel pickup that he plugs in, I pointed out 
that neither of my VWs have block heaters and the '05 doesn't even 
have a place to put a block heater (supposedly no freeze plugs) and 
neither has ever failed to start due to temps although the coldest 
I've ever tested was -6F just because thats the coldest its been 
here since I got the Jetta. I forgot to point out that I never found 
out how cold it had to be before a 190D wouldn't start, I tried that 
at like -10F...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Good choice.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 1:23 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> One of my best decisions ever - nearly bought new Olds Diesel in Oct '79 but 
> did not; 'bought '80 MB 240D instead.  Whew!  'Just missed by that bullet!
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: 
> Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
> 
> 
>> My dad had one of those things, I think it was an Old 98, for awhile, and so 
>> did one of his friends.  I can't remember which one had the engine grenade 
>> in pretty short order, but then the other one unloaded his before that 
>> engine blew up.  I remember driving it once, it was a total dog, noisy, and 
>> stinky.  The 79 TD is quite refined compared that abomination.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 1/17/16 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We have a chain here that is Tires plus also, have not had anything done there 
in years but every time I go to one of those places they claim all sorts of 
work needs to be done before they can align it. Does your guy use the spreader 
bar and all that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a Tire Plus store near my house that has a service writer who is a 
> former Michelin tire factory employee that’s really got his stuff together.  
> He knows me, he knows my cars, and he makes things happen the right way every 
> time.  There’s also the tech who does the alignments that’s really good - I 
> slipped him a $20 a while back for an “attaboy” and he jumps on my stuff 
> whenever he sees me bring a car in.
> 
> For example, I had a coupon I’ve been sitting on that was god for $20% off an 
> alignment.  I got the 20% off as expected, but when I was looking at the 
> ticket just now I noticed he also applied the coupon to the wheel balance as 
> well.  Nice.
> 
> I’ve never been keen about the retail chain tire people as I think they’re 
> all pretty much the same, but the people at this one really stand out and 
> deliver top notch service and often go above and beyond.
> 
> The tire guy/service writer did a fantastic job on a package of tires for the 
> SL500 that have been spectacular.  I was really reluctant to drop $1200 on a 
> set of tires, but they’ve been on the car for nearly a year, are hardly worn, 
> and since they were installed the car drives like it’s on rails as he 
> promised it would.  I could have spent a lot more for the same tires in other 
> brands, but he told me these would be the ones I would be happiest with, and 
> I am.
> 
> I’ve since found out this guy has a big following with the local Bimmer club 
> people, so he’s got to be doing something right.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer, I'm fixing to buy 
>> an alignment machine and learn how to do alignments. Nobody around here can 
>> do one worth a darn and they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured 
>> with the amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for itself in 
>> no time. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front 
>>> was showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in 
>>> the steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 
>>> 1-1/2 ounces out of balance, too.
>>> 
>>> Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, 
>>> as I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have had 3 123 diesels & didn't  think they were,very loud driving them.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jan 17, 2016 2:54 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> > Meade wrote:
> >
> > A 123 diesel is just plain loud.
>
> It's all relative.  My 123 diesels are the quietest in my
> fleet.  But I don't have a 140.
>
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Those are the new laser machines that don't have to have the wheel sensors on 
each wheel. They would still have to have a rack or lift with turn plates to 
make adjustments though. Maybe they were just using that to check it but not 
making adjustments. I'm looking at old ones and will use it with my future 2 
post lift and get some wheel stands with turn plates.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had to go to Sears right before Christmas and get another battery to 
> replace the 1.5yo battery that died, and sitting next to the battery bay was 
> a guy doing an alignment (I am guessing that is what he was doing) without a 
> big machine, there were these laser things or something the guy put on each 
> wheel then it looked like they were talking to his controller machine, or 
> something was scanning them, not sure.  But no big drive-on machine in use 
> though they did have one there too.  I should have asked him what was going 
> on but I was having to monitor the guy doing the battery job, who was a 
> brain-dead idiot.
> 
> On the battery the brain-dead idiot tried to charge me full price for a new 
> battery, was going to be like $120, I told him that was bullsh*t for a 1.5yo 
> battery.  So then this other guy comes over and tells him how to do all these 
> tricks on the computer to get a warranty deal, turns out I owed them $19 some 
> of which was the disposal fee or something.  Had I not been locked into the 
> stupid Sears battery I would have just picked one up at Costco.  It's no 
> wonder Sears is almost dead (and this was 2 days before Christmas, the store 
> was a ghost town).
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 1/17/16 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer, I'm fixing to buy 
>> an alignment machine and learn how to do alignments. Nobody around here can 
>> do one worth a darn and they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured 
>> with the amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for itself in 
>> no time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front 
>>> was showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in 
>>> the steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 
>>> 1-1/2 ounces out of balance, too.
>>> 
>>> Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, 
>>> as I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Meade wrote:
> 
> A 123 diesel is just plain loud.

It's all relative.  My 123 diesels are the quietest in my
fleet.  But I don't have a 140.

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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curly sez:
‎
>‎‎We need to send more MBA to >china. The MBAs will cripple the >Chinese 
>like they did the US of A.‎

Yeah. That's one for the quotes page. Might make it to FB here in a minute. 
‎
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

IIRC by '82 they weren't terrible engines but the damage was already done.
I was talking to some old timers at a local lunch spot the other day, one guy 
had a diesel pickup that he plugs in, I pointed out that neither of my VWs have 
block heaters and the '05 doesn't even have a place to put a block heater 
(supposedly no freeze plugs) and neither has ever failed to start due to temps 
although the coldest I've ever tested was -6F just because thats the coldest 
its been here since I got the Jetta. I forgot to point out that I never found 
out how cold it had to be before a 190D wouldn't start, I tried that at like 
-10F...
-Curt
 

  From: WILTON via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: WILTON 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?
   
One of my best decisions ever - nearly bought new Olds Diesel in Oct '79 
but did not; 'bought '80 MB 240D instead.  Whew!  'Just missed by that 
bullet!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?


> My dad had one of those things, I think it was an Old 98, for awhile, and 
> so did one of his friends.  I can't remember which one had the engine 
> grenade in pretty short order, but then the other one unloaded his before 
> that engine blew up.  I remember driving it once, it was a total dog, 
> noisy, and stinky.  The 79 TD is quite refined compared that abomination.
>
> --R
>
> On 1/17/16 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

One of my best decisions ever - nearly bought new Olds Diesel in Oct '79 
but did not; 'bought '80 MB 240D instead.  Whew!  'Just missed by that 
bullet!


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?


My dad had one of those things, I think it was an Old 98, for awhile, and 
so did one of his friends.  I can't remember which one had the engine 
grenade in pretty short order, but then the other one unloaded his before 
that engine blew up.  I remember driving it once, it was a total dog, 
noisy, and stinky.  The 79 TD is quite refined compared that abomination.


--R

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http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html

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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

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Send the link to MN Fats.  A battleship is needed to haul hisas around.

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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I had to go to Sears right before Christmas and get another battery 
to replace the 1.5yo battery that died, and sitting next to the 
battery bay was a guy doing an alignment (I am guessing that is what 
he was doing) without a big machine, there were these laser things 
or something the guy put on each wheel then it looked like they were 
talking to his controller machine, or something was scanning them, 
not sure.  But no big drive-on machine in use though they did have 
one there too.  I should have asked him what was going on but I was 
having to monitor the guy doing the battery job, who was a 
brain-dead idiot.


On the battery the brain-dead idiot tried to charge me full price 
for a new battery, was going to be like $120, I told him that was 
bullsh*t for a 1.5yo battery.  So then this other guy comes over and 
tells him how to do all these tricks on the computer to get a 
warranty deal, turns out I owed them $19 some of which was the 
disposal fee or something.  Had I not been locked into the stupid 
Sears battery I would have just picked one up at Costco.  It's no 
wonder Sears is almost dead (and this was 2 days before Christmas, 
the store was a ghost town).


--R



Typical of the Die easy battery.


Sears started machine gunning its feet in about 1970 and has been 
working upwards on whatever is left.  Closing the catalog stores in 
1990 or so was massively stupid.  Those were franchises, and so the 
investment was "off the books"  but some hahvuhd MBA said "Close em", 
so they did.


We need to send more MBA to china.   The MBAs will cripple the chinee 
like they did the US of A.


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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a Tire Plus store near my house that has a service writer who is a 
former Michelin tire factory employee that’s really got his stuff together.  He 
knows me, he knows my cars, and he makes things happen the right way every 
time.  There’s also the tech who does the alignments that’s really good - I 
slipped him a $20 a while back for an “attaboy” and he jumps on my stuff 
whenever he sees me bring a car in.

For example, I had a coupon I’ve been sitting on that was god for $20% off an 
alignment.  I got the 20% off as expected, but when I was looking at the ticket 
just now I noticed he also applied the coupon to the wheel balance as well.  
Nice.

I’ve never been keen about the retail chain tire people as I think they’re all 
pretty much the same, but the people at this one really stand out and deliver 
top notch service and often go above and beyond.

The tire guy/service writer did a fantastic job on a package of tires for the 
SL500 that have been spectacular.  I was really reluctant to drop $1200 on a 
set of tires, but they’ve been on the car for nearly a year, are hardly worn, 
and since they were installed the car drives like it’s on rails as he promised 
it would.  I could have spent a lot more for the same tires in other brands, 
but he told me these would be the ones I would be happiest with, and I am.

I’ve since found out this guy has a big following with the local Bimmer club 
people, so he’s got to be doing something right.

Dan

 
> On Jan 17, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer, I'm fixing to buy an 
> alignment machine and learn how to do alignments. Nobody around here can do 
> one worth a darn and they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with 
> the amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for itself in no 
> time. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front 
>> was showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in 
>> the steering wheel.
>> 
>> Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 1-1/2 
>> ounces out of balance, too.
>> 
>> Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, 
>> as I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sears goes out of its way to piss on its customer base at every opportunity. 
They've gotten rid of all the employees that knew how to do anything and are 
left with the drooling knuckle draggers. 
The only reason I ever go there is occasionally somebody gives me a gift card. 
Sadly some of their stuff is occasionally good. I've got a 19.2v drill that 
still cranks along great. One of the batteries is starting to get tired but its 
the one I've used less, I think I just need to use it more...
-Curt
 

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 1:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day
   
I had to go to Sears right before Christmas and get another battery to 
replace the 1.5yo battery that died, and sitting next to the battery bay 
was a guy doing an alignment (I am guessing that is what he was doing) 
without a big machine, there were these laser things or something the 
guy put on each wheel then it looked like they were talking to his 
controller machine, or something was scanning them, not sure.  But no 
big drive-on machine in use though they did have one there too.  I 
should have asked him what was going on but I was having to monitor the 
guy doing the battery job, who was a brain-dead idiot.

On the battery the brain-dead idiot tried to charge me full price for a 
new battery, was going to be like $120, I told him that was bullsh*t for 
a 1.5yo battery.  So then this other guy comes over and tells him how to 
do all these tricks on the computer to get a warranty deal, turns out I 
owed them $19 some of which was the disposal fee or something.  Had I 
not been locked into the stupid Sears battery I would have just picked 
one up at Costco.  It's no wonder Sears is almost dead (and this was 2 
days before Christmas, the store was a ghost town).

--R
  
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I got snow tires on the '05 Golf the other day, hadta get a tie rod assembly on 
the right front for it to get aligned. I'd thought it felt odd but Angie hadn't 
said anything...
The rears were worn out anyway which explained the bad oversteer when it was 
slippery. The tire with the bad tie rod was worn real bad on the inside too.
My '98 Jetta also has a bad tie rod, its going in tomorrow...
-Curt
 

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:51 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day
   
Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front was 
showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in the 
steering wheel.

Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 1-1/2 
ounces out of balance, too.

Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, as 
I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I had to go to Sears right before Christmas and get another battery to 
replace the 1.5yo battery that died, and sitting next to the battery bay 
was a guy doing an alignment (I am guessing that is what he was doing) 
without a big machine, there were these laser things or something the 
guy put on each wheel then it looked like they were talking to his 
controller machine, or something was scanning them, not sure.  But no 
big drive-on machine in use though they did have one there too.  I 
should have asked him what was going on but I was having to monitor the 
guy doing the battery job, who was a brain-dead idiot.


On the battery the brain-dead idiot tried to charge me full price for a 
new battery, was going to be like $120, I told him that was bullsh*t for 
a 1.5yo battery.  So then this other guy comes over and tells him how to 
do all these tricks on the computer to get a warranty deal, turns out I 
owed them $19 some of which was the disposal fee or something.  Had I 
not been locked into the stupid Sears battery I would have just picked 
one up at Costco.  It's no wonder Sears is almost dead (and this was 2 
days before Christmas, the store was a ghost town).


--R

On 1/17/16 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer, I'm fixing to buy an 
alignment machine and learn how to do alignments. Nobody around here can do one 
worth a darn and they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with the 
amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for itself in no time.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front was 
showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in the 
steering wheel.

Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 1-1/2 
ounces out of balance, too.

Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, as 
I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I already have tire machine and computer wheel balancer, I'm fixing to buy an 
alignment machine and learn how to do alignments. Nobody around here can do one 
worth a darn and they are at least 100 miles round trip. I figured with the 
amount of cars j have coming thru the 2-3k would pay for itself in no time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front was 
> showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in the 
> steering wheel.
> 
> Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 1-1/2 
> ounces out of balance, too.
> 
> Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, 
> as I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] S420 Work for the Day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had the 1994 S420 aligned and the front tires balanced, as the left front was 
showing some wear on the outside edge and there was a slight shimmy in the 
steering wheel.

Alignment was out of spec, surprisingly, and the right front wheel was 1-1/2 
ounces out of balance, too.

Drives like it's brand new now, according to youngest son.  Thank goodness, as 
I had visions of one of the front tires losing a belt

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Second that suggestion!

I work as a poll inspector so have several years of experience in watching
how polls are run..

Sorry Andrew, you are way off the facts on this one.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew, please volunteer to be a poll worker, work the polls for a national
> election, and let us know your thoughts after that.
>
> This has nothing to do with minorities or poor, this has everything to do
> with the integrity of elections, and making sure that every real citizen's
> vote counts.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
> > voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Project anyone?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

My dad had one of those things, I think it was an Old 98, for awhile, 
and so did one of his friends.  I can't remember which one had the 
engine grenade in pretty short order, but then the other one unloaded 
his before that engine blew up.  I remember driving it once, it was a 
total dog, noisy, and stinky.  The 79 TD is quite refined compared that 
abomination.


--R

On 1/17/16 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:



http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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[MBZ] Project anyone?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

http://stillwater.craigslist.org/pts/5400436563.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/CL-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] 280 SE on Craigs list

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

just do it ;)

Darren Marshall
Co-Founder

http://doejo.com
http://bowtruss.com
http://spacebydoejo.com
http://aquanautbeer.com

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> *"We decided not too try and start the vehicle.The owner will not be near
> the vehicle until next weekend.I cannot get onto the property until she
> gets back into town.So I cannot get to the car until she is here.Paul"*
> Make an offer before "owner" returns.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That could be really nice.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On January 16, 2016 6:57:52 PM EST, Mike Esh via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 73 280SE 4.5 $3000.00 on Craigslist . No interest
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://slo.craigslist.org/cto/5389945355.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael E. Esh
>>> m...@barr.com
>>> michael...@mac.com
>>> (C) 231.894.5505
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew, please volunteer to be a poll worker, work the polls for a national
election, and let us know your thoughts after that.

This has nothing to do with minorities or poor, this has everything to do
with the integrity of elections, and making sure that every real citizen's
vote counts.

-
Max
Charleston SC


+1

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Video and post those violations of the law, preferably immediately, and post 
links to the involved candidates and both national parties, etc.  Putting some 
sunlight on the rats and cockroaches will send them scurrying away...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 17, 2016 8:55:29 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>No thanks. 
>If Loren's story is true, and I did everything possible to make the
>election
>fair, my life would have permanently changed, and not for the better,
>the
>instant I blew that lawyer's head off. 
>
>Mitch.
>
>> On January 17, 2016 at 8:28 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to extend my advice to ALL on this list complaining about
>the
>> national politics, the various candidates, and the (sorry) state of
>affairs
>> in general.
>> 
>> Do more than vote, volunteer as a poll worker and do a little
>something to
>> make sure this election is as fair as possible!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

No thanks. 
If Loren's story is true, and I did everything possible to make the election
fair, my life would have permanently changed, and not for the better, the
instant I blew that lawyer's head off. 

Mitch.

> On January 17, 2016 at 8:28 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to extend my advice to ALL on this list complaining about the
> national politics, the various candidates, and the (sorry) state of affairs
> in general.
> 
> Do more than vote, volunteer as a poll worker and do a little something to
> make sure this election is as fair as possible!

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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oops, missed one.
Price needs to come down a bit, but maybe he'll give it and some cash for one
that's ten years newer:
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/5372847502.html

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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 17, 2016 at 8:31 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would prefer a diesel long wheelbase given a choice.

Seats on a $4000 car shouldn't look like this:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/5355195806.html

Hmmm, 1991 interior, 1987 engine:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/5373650194.html

Hey, this one's white:
http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/cto/5371645868.html

Rodbenders are the best of the breed if they have good head gaskets:
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/5352514654.html
http://flagstaff.craigslist.org/cto/5394280594.html (bad paint AND branded title
for $7k???)
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5349297146.html
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/5393770115.html

Now, who was looking for a CD?
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5385754670.html

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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would prefer a diesel long wheelbase given a choice.  If it’s a gasser (300) 
I want a long wheelbase (SEL) despite Kaleb’s abuse.  And yes, I know the 
300SEL is a dog, and I don’t care.  I like the W126 chassis, and if given the 
choice of a vergasser, don’t want a V8.

Dan


> On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does it have to be an SEL, or can it be an SE?
> W126 SDs and SDLs are very easy to find. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd like to extend my advice to ALL on this list complaining about the
national politics, the various candidates, and the (sorry) state of affairs
in general.

Do more than vote, volunteer as a poll worker and do a little something to
make sure this election is as fair as possible!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Andrew, please volunteer to be a poll worker, work the polls for a
> national election, and let us know your thoughts after that.
>
> This has nothing to do with minorities or poor, this has everything to do
> with the integrity of elections, and making sure that every real citizen's
> vote counts.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
>> voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 16, 2016 at 9:03 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> I really like the S-class cars, regardless of vintage, so ideally I would like
> to go to a W126 or W140.  Diesel would be great, but it’s not absolute.  My
> bucket list car is a (go ahead, Kaleb, thrash me for it) W126 300SEL, which
> isn’t the easiest thing to find.


Does it have to be an SEL, or can it be an SE?
W126 SDs and SDLs are very easy to find. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Tampa

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew, please volunteer to be a poll worker, work the polls for a national
election, and let us know your thoughts after that.

This has nothing to do with minorities or poor, this has everything to do
with the integrity of elections, and making sure that every real citizen's
vote counts.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not personally but I can get what they're after - suppressing minority
> voting in order to keep Rs in power.  Whatever it takes.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Am I Nutz?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's better advice I think.  Dan likes the 140, has the tools to fix
them, and they are an S-class.

A 123 diesel is just plain loud.  Simple, reliable, fun to drive, etc: in
spades.  But droning along having to shout over the engine and road noise
is just not too fun.

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Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:02 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> Haven't several of you been complaining that more and more W123 parts are
> becoming un-obtainium? That's why the swap could be a risky mistake. Better
> swap it for a W140.
>
>
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