Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

true, it goes to Korea and Japan.  State of AK is trying to get a NG pipeline 
to Cook Inlet so they can ship LNG to the orient

clay



> On Dec 5, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> --FT wrote:
>> Their goal is to stop that oil from coming here altogether...
> 
> Someone said the oil is bought by China.  Also said that Valdez oil
> all goes to Japan.  Anyone?  Is this true? or is it more partisan
> chatter?
> Thanks.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Changing diff fluid

[clay via Mercedes]

That is what I use to do my Diff fluid.  First attempt without that on Gump was 
a real mess.   Even sticking a hose on the nozzle and squeezing while suspended 
in the wheel well.

clay


> On Dec 4, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Poos posted an oil pump he used for changing the diff fluid. Seems like this 
> would work better.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000BQW5LK/ref=pd_aw_fbt_263_img_2?ie=UTF8=1=3GPWQAHTYTHSXSYP7M71
> 
> Also, what oil do you guys use?
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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

[clay via Mercedes]

WOW!  I better pick up all the 126 tails at PnP now so I can avail myself of 
the increase in valuation in a few years when I sell them on FleaBay.

clay

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> That is surprising since the 126 was produced much longer than the 123
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They appear to be legit prices...  I'm curious to see what I can get them
>> for.  I might have a buy a few sets!
>> 
>> These are exactly the kind of thing that will be $500 each (like W126
>> tails) in a few years.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lens.
>>> 
>>> 123 820 32 66 about $150 list.
>>> 
>>> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/LENS/7427753/1238203266.html
>>> 
>>> I paid $69.00.
>>> 
>>> Oh my gosh, they only want $48.00 for the left lens!
>>> 
>>> https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.sectionSearch=2;
>>> vehicleid=90668=ELECTRICAL=REAR%20LAMPS&
>>> subgroup=TAIL%20LAMPS=Lens=Mercedes-Benz
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Is it just the lens or the entire tail light?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Got the taillight from Parts.com tonight.
> 
> Mercedes box with the little silver hologram deals on it. Open it up,
>>> it's the real deal!
> 
> Not bad. A $150 factory part for $68.00.  Somebody must have screwed up
>>> somewhere
> 
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[MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[clay via Mercedes]

Last week I scored a used Dewalt saw so that I could deprive a PnP car of its 
tin bits.  Polei had a run in with what must have been a parking space barrier. 
   The underside supports took the brunt of the impact, and over the past few 
years these frame rails have rusted out the bottom and into the sides.  I think 
there is about a foot of metal that wants replacement.

I had rented a saw a few months ago to get myself a bit of rear fender panel, 
and did very well until I broke the only blade I had on hand.  In the 
meanwhile, the crop of W126 examples had dried up.In the past few weeks 
more S cars showed up, so I need to go hunting.  The battery that came with my 
saw is a bit low on electrons, and it took two visits to the yard to get one 
frame support.   I am less than impressed with a few of the blades that I have 
dulled in the process, and squirming around in a gravel filled puddle, while 
sawing away, makes for an uncomfortable drive home.  

I have a cheap chinese imitation battery on the way so that next visit I will 
be able to complete my hunt and move on to another product  I might need.


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Commerical quantities of hydrogen usually come from natural gas these  
days.  Might eventually be produced by solar powered hydrolysis, but  
not currently.


I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological"  
electric or hydrogen powered cars.  Electricity comes from magic,  
right?  Haha, they both produce MORE carbon than burning fossil fuel  
in the engine, what with conversion loses and all.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

[clay via Mercedes]

Benz and Ballard Energy have sort of teamed up on the Hydro systems.  Fuel cell 
tech is being advanced, but at the club event their rep was not really good 
about saying where the fuel was going to be coming from.

clay


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> Mebbe they are gonna use an onboard generator to produce the go-gas.
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
>> These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the basic 
>> matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure of the 
>> whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to truck stops, 
>> and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might want to go.  I wonder 
>> if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the H->2?  But I like their 
>> thinking.
>> 
>> And Hindenberg
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Curley McLain 
>> December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
>> It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
>> electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done that 
>> small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell them stop 
>> or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB paid off.  I have 
>> personally met and talked to 2 other people who were intimidated.
>> 
>> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
>> Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably and in
>> enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
>> molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
>> a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> stays
>> out Trumps bidness?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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>> Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but they 
>> can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.
>> 
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>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 1:05 PM
>> OT 
>> https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/electric-big-rig-startup-nikola-comes-up-with-a-surpris-1789586024
>>  
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[clay via Mercedes]

I save $250 a year in payment, dropped the deductible to pennies from $1500, 
valuation quadrupled.

clay


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> In my state the savings is about $900/year.
> 
> Dan
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>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Curley wrote:
>>> Same thing I was thinking.  That or a fabric garage from Farmtek/Grower
>>> supply.
>> 
>> How many years of "savings" from antique insurance does it take to
>> purchase a Farmtek/Grower supply or Harbor Freight "garage"?
>> Penny-wise pound foolish?
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:40:15 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Vehicle Off Road.

Oh! Now why didn't I think of that.

Actually it should be AWOP: Awaiting Parts


Craig

 
> > On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Craig via Mercedes
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> > On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:13:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I called it a night, cleaned the garage up and put the cars away for
> >> the night.  Working from home tomorrow so it’s not an issue having
> >> the SL500 VOR until I can snag another quart of ATF from FLAPS later
> >> in the day.
> > 
> > VOR? Visual Omni Range?
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[clay via Mercedes]

They want a secured location, not just a place that keeps rain off.   I have to 
have a locking door

clay


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:20 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Same thing I was thinking.  That or a fabric garage from Farmtek/Grower 
> supply.
> 
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> December 2, 2016 at 9:39 AM
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 08:40:07 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>> 
>> What kind of garage is needed? How about that Harbor Freight "garage" the
>> 14-year-old bug rebuilder used?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Vehicle Off Road.

Dan


> On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:13:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I called it a night, cleaned the garage up and put the cars away for
>> the night.  Working from home tomorrow so it’s not an issue having the
>> SL500 VOR until I can snag another quart of ATF from FLAPS later in the
>> day.
> 
> VOR? Visual Omni Range?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:13:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> I called it a night, cleaned the garage up and put the cars away for
> the night.  Working from home tomorrow so it’s not an issue having the
> SL500 VOR until I can snag another quart of ATF from FLAPS later in the
> day.

VOR? Visual Omni Range?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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Found this in a DIY for the transmission on Benzworld.  This guy has every 
possible Hazet and MB special tool there is, and he must be a engineer based on 
his write ups.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/w210-e-class/138975d1187568458-photo-diy-722-6x-transmission-fluid-8.jpg

It’s clear the filter can’t come out of the valve body with the pan in place, 
and it’s got to be on or near the bottom of the pan when it’s all together, so 
once I realized this and saw the picture above I called it and buttoned things 
up.  Filled it up, did a test drive and got it good and warm.

Got my special dipstick out and with 8 quarts of ATF it was barely hitting it 
at operating temperature.  I got over 8 quarts out of the system as I was able 
to drain the torque converter, so I probably need one more quart.

I called it a night, cleaned the garage up and put the cars away for the night. 
 Working from home tomorrow so it’s not an issue having the SL500 VOR until I 
can snag another quart of ATF from FLAPS later in the day.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What about horseflies? They're pretty hostile and aggressive.

On Dec 5, 2016 9:58 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all
> summer, and we had them til October.
>
> Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to get
> at out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get welts the
> size of golf balls when they bite.
>
> The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and lick
> it up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very attractive, too!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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Curley wrote:
> The oceans ... ate up the gulf oil spill in a few weeks...

You are right there on the gulf coast so... you know this stuff.  Thanks.
It seems corporations have lost the concepts that they need customers?
 Don't corporations need customers to make the corporation work?  If
enough customers get irked it would seem that the corporation should
be susceptible to loss if things go too far?  The way this thing is
happening, it seems like we might be similar to a 3rd world country
rather than world leader?  okiebenz being in the heart of historic oil
production and pipeline terminals even for this product... what sez
OKDon or Kaleb?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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What about a 722.6, which is what Dan is asking about?
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On December 5, 2016 9:57:54 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>No the 722.3 has 3 screws
>
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>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm thinking that is how the 722.3 works.
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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

"Need to sell.  This wagon always starts even in cold weather, and has had a 
bit of wok done, needs alignment work and the engine mount redone.   Great 
project, low reserve!"

Ad says 130k miles.

Jaime needs to snatch this up and give it some loving...
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On December 5, 2016 10:10:16 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Andrew wrote:
>> Ugly as sin.  Where's the narrative?
>
>Clik details button to get:
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>close 06DEC 11:16am
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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It doesn't dilute much in ground water.

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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

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Andrew wrote:
> Ugly as sin.  Where's the narrative?

Clik details button to get:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322346141392
close 06DEC 11:16am
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, the earph and the oceans are self healing.  They eat oil.  (or the 
critters that reside there do)  The oceans are continually eating up the 
oil that constantly bubbles out of the ocean floor, and it ate up the 
gulf oil spill in a few weeks, rather than the decades the albore 
"experts" said.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 9:04 PM
Centuries? If that were true, all that oil spilled during world war 
two all up and down the east coast would have left New York and 
Maryland and Virginia and the rest uninhabitable.


The solution to pollution is dilution...



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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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Centuries?  If that were true, all that oil spilled during world war two all up 
and down the east coast would have left New York and Maryland and Virginia and 
the rest uninhabitable.

The solution to pollution is dilution...
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On December 5, 2016 9:56:02 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>There are several things going here:
>
>Pipelines are safer than moving that sludge in tanker cars -- there  
>have been two very serious accidents already, one of which pretty much 
>
>burned out a Canadian town.  Bakken crude is much to thick to ship  
>unadulterated, so it's mixed with solvent to move it (mostly hexane I  
>think, but that's really a guess).  This solvent is highly flammable.  
>
>The crude itself is 'dirty' crude -- full of carcinogens and toxics,  
>nasty stuff.  Better to put in in a pipeline than the crappy, leak if  
>they fall over rail cars we have available.
>
>The pipeline was designed and routed by a private company with the  
>State providing eminent domain services, which is probably really a  
>violation of the Constitution's ban on taking property without  
>compensation, and no consideration was taken for anything but the  
>shortest route to Illinois and the existing pipelines.
>
>Western states have been violating Indian treaties for a long time,  
>and this is just another example of commercial interests ignoring  
>Indian Nation status, it's hardly a new problem, but is in fact just  
>another in a long, long series of treaty violations -- any time there  
>is money involved, the Native peoples get the short end of the stick.
>
>Pipelines leak.  Always.  Usually underground.  Contamination of the  
>groundwater or the Missouri River by this stuff would last for  
>centuries if there was a significant leak into the water table,  
>rendering the water source for the Reservation poisonous for decades.  
>
>If this were to happen, I would guess the oil and pipeline companies  
>would simply declare bankruptcy and walk away from the people they  
>poisoned.  Not the first time, and there isn't much the Sioux could  
>do, they don't have a police force to collect from said bankrupt  
>companies.
>
>Therefore there is a considerable conflict between safe shipping of  
>Bakken crude and protection of everyone's right to clean air and  
>water.  As usual, the money is all on the oil company side, and money  
>"lubricates" the political system in the US.
>
>There is absolutely no reason for the pipeline to go where it is  
>except it's the straightest line from the Bakken fields to Illinois.   
>Oil company could care crap for anything except saving a few bucks.   
>This is the issue with the Keystone -- cost more to route it around  
>the exposed water table in a protected wetlands, the oil company could 
>
>give a crap if they make half the state lose their ground water for  
>drinking or irrigation.  A little forethought instead of chasing  
>pennies could have eliminated much of the problem, but you know, gotta 
>
>get that oil going today, might have to defer some profit a couple  
>years, such a bad thing.
>
>Little people against corporate interests.  Unusual result, the normal 
>
>thing is for police to disperse the protesters  and trample their  
>rights.
>
>We will see how this ends up.  Sadly, probably an oil pipeline through 
>
>someone's sacred ground dribbling toxins into the water supply.
>
>Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No the 722.3 has 3 screws

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> On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking that is how the 722.3 works.
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2016 at 8:41 PM
>> On my trucks the filter goes over the tube, and it is mostly held by 
>> friction but then the pan holds it in place so it doesn't fall off the tube.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Curley McLain 
>> December 5, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>> Does the pan push it into place?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all  
summer, and we had them til October.


Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to  
get at out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get  
welts the size of golf balls when they bite.


The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and  
lick it up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very  
attractive, too!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There are several things going here:

Pipelines are safer than moving that sludge in tanker cars -- there  
have been two very serious accidents already, one of which pretty much  
burned out a Canadian town.  Bakken crude is much to thick to ship  
unadulterated, so it's mixed with solvent to move it (mostly hexane I  
think, but that's really a guess).  This solvent is highly flammable.   
The crude itself is 'dirty' crude -- full of carcinogens and toxics,  
nasty stuff.  Better to put in in a pipeline than the crappy, leak if  
they fall over rail cars we have available.


The pipeline was designed and routed by a private company with the  
State providing eminent domain services, which is probably really a  
violation of the Constitution's ban on taking property without  
compensation, and no consideration was taken for anything but the  
shortest route to Illinois and the existing pipelines.


Western states have been violating Indian treaties for a long time,  
and this is just another example of commercial interests ignoring  
Indian Nation status, it's hardly a new problem, but is in fact just  
another in a long, long series of treaty violations -- any time there  
is money involved, the Native peoples get the short end of the stick.


Pipelines leak.  Always.  Usually underground.  Contamination of the  
groundwater or the Missouri River by this stuff would last for  
centuries if there was a significant leak into the water table,  
rendering the water source for the Reservation poisonous for decades.   
If this were to happen, I would guess the oil and pipeline companies  
would simply declare bankruptcy and walk away from the people they  
poisoned.  Not the first time, and there isn't much the Sioux could  
do, they don't have a police force to collect from said bankrupt  
companies.


Therefore there is a considerable conflict between safe shipping of  
Bakken crude and protection of everyone's right to clean air and  
water.  As usual, the money is all on the oil company side, and money  
"lubricates" the political system in the US.


There is absolutely no reason for the pipeline to go where it is  
except it's the straightest line from the Bakken fields to Illinois.   
Oil company could care crap for anything except saving a few bucks.   
This is the issue with the Keystone -- cost more to route it around  
the exposed water table in a protected wetlands, the oil company could  
give a crap if they make half the state lose their ground water for  
drinking or irrigation.  A little forethought instead of chasing  
pennies could have eliminated much of the problem, but you know, gotta  
get that oil going today, might have to defer some profit a couple  
years, such a bad thing.


Little people against corporate interests.  Unusual result, the normal  
thing is for police to disperse the protesters  and trample their  
rights.


We will see how this ends up.  Sadly, probably an oil pipeline through  
someone's sacred ground dribbling toxins into the water supply.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm thinking that is how the 722.3 works.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 8:41 PM
On my trucks the filter goes over the tube, and it is mostly held by 
friction but then the pan holds it in place so it doesn't fall off the 
tube.


--FT




Curley McLain 
December 5, 2016 at 8:05 PM
Does the pan push it into place?



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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

or not.  Today I heard some expert claiming that albore (and the DJT 
dotter) is all wet, and the next big deal is the coming ice age.  no 
sunspots.  No sunspots=no heat on earph.  I suspect he is right, as 
surface temp of the earph is tied to sunspots, not escapades, renegades, 
escapes, or exploders.  Nor is it tied to rumchuggers, sub-burpers, rams 
or bovines.  Just sunspots.



Imagine that, the sun has more power than all the earphlings!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM
WEll that is the key.  The Canadians are going to sell their oil one 
way or the other, so it is going to be produced with the attendant 
effects, so it matters not whether it comes here or goes elsewhere.  
The globe will still warm.


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 21:38:51 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> WEll that is the key.  The Canadians are going to sell their oil one
> way or the other, so it is going to be produced with the attendant
> effects, so it matters not whether it comes here or goes elsewhere.
> The globe will still warm.

But if it does, it won't be from burning the crude.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

On my trucks the filter goes over the tube, and it is mostly held by 
friction but then the pan holds it in place so it doesn't fall off the tube.


--FT


On 12/5/16 9:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Does the pan push it into place?


OK Don via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM
Can you move the clips from the old filter to the new one?

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

WEll that is the key.  The Canadians are going to sell their oil one way 
or the other, so it is going to be produced with the attendant effects, 
so it matters not whether it comes here or goes elsewhere.  The globe 
will still warm.


--FT


On 12/5/16 8:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

--FT wrote:

Their goal is to stop that oil from coming here altogether...

Someone said the oil is bought by China.  Also said that Valdez oil
all goes to Japan.  Anyone?  Is this true? or is it more partisan
chatter?
Thanks.
mao

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] Fwd: Re: More differentials HIJACK

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I never drive it on the freeway, so the tall gearing is of no benefit.
Mileage around town is abysmal anyway. It has variable valve timing and
abundant torque but would be truly fast like 7s 0-60 with a 3.07. So more
jump off the line is the goal basically. And yes it is a 2.24 or something
now. The only thing missing would be the limited slip. an e500 different
would be 3.07 also I think.


On Dec 5, 2016 6:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I'm with Max.  What is the ratio now, and what do you want to accomplish by
changing the diff/ratio?

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> December 5, 2016 at 6:02 PM
>
> Any opinions on whether a 2.65 from a 124 300d would be a worthwhile swap
> into the e420? A 3.07 or whatever out of a 450 would be better, but some
> internal swapping is required.
>

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On Dec 5, 2016 6:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I'm with Max.  What is the ratio now, and what do you want to accomplish by
changing the diff/ratio?

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> December 5, 2016 at 6:02 PM
>
> Any opinions on whether a 2.65 from a 124 300d would be a worthwhile swap
> into the e420? A 3.07 or whatever out of a 450 would be better, but some
> internal swapping is required.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Them marsh skeeters we have around here drink that stuff for their 
evening cocktail.  Then there is the noseeums that hurt like hell when 
they take a chunk out of you.


A few weeks back after the hurricane, when the crop got going pretty 
well, a coupla of them picked me up to take me off to eat me.  While 
they're flying off with me, one says to the other, "Let's take him out 
to the island to eat him."  The other one says, "NO! don't do that, them 
big uns'll take him away from us!"


--FT

On 12/5/16 7:23 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I wonder about you. My first thought would be to say  Wow what a great 
idea, come on over any time you feel like it.


Skeeters are a no problem thing. Ever heard of deep woods off? It's 
the ticks that you have to worry about.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:46:02 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one was
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking around
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you could
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking about
having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her
general appearance...

--FT

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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car is permanently disabled.  I'll give you $501 for it.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does the pan push it into place?
>
> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM
>> Can you move the clips from the old filter to the new one?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It enables North Dakota to drain and sell is oil.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Oil pipelines under a drinking water source is a bad idea, if alternative
> > routes exist..
>
> Yes.  However, the system has a way to reclaim water... over time.
> Is there an upside to arguments FOR the pipeline?  Media seems to be
> stuck on protest against but there don't seem to be defense FOR the
> pipeline?
> Thanks.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ugly as sin.  Where's the narrative?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let's see where the price is tomorrow before we get too excited.
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 5, 2016 at 5:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/262737932048?
> >
> > 123 wagon for under a grand.  Does not appear to be rusty, low miles.
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does the pan push it into place?


OK Don via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM
Can you move the clips from the old filter to the new one?

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Re: [MBZ] More differentials HIJACK

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm with Max.  What is the ratio now, and what do you want to accomplish 
by changing the diff/ratio?



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 6:02 PM
Any opinions on whether a 2.65 from a 124 300d would be a worthwhile swap
into the e420? A 3.07 or whatever out of a 450 would be better, but some
internal swapping is required.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Can you move the clips from the old filter to the new one?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Changing the SL500 transmission fluid and filter tonight, ran into a
> possible snag.  This has stumped me and I don’t want to proceed until I’m
> sure it’s safe…
>
> I’ve drained the fluid, removed the pan and filter.
>
> When I pulled the filter, there was a little tab of sorts on the top of it
> opposite the suction tube that clipped into a slot in the valve body.
>
> When I opened my OE Mercedes filter box, the filter looks essentially the
> same, but the little plastic tab on the new filter doesn’t have any clips,
> so it just “hangs” from the suction tube in the valve body.  If I push up
> on the filter, the tab indexes right into the slot in the valve body, but
> there’s nothing that will hold it in place.
>
> Can this be right?
>
> I’ve looked through Google images and see filters of this type with little
> clips on the tab and ones without.
>
> I don’t want to button the transmission up if I’m not satisfied the filter
> is going to stay in place.
>
> Can anyone reflect on this?  If necessary, I’m going to go over to the
> dealer tomorrow and have them pull another to see if it’s got the clips.
>
> Dan
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[MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Changing the SL500 transmission fluid and filter tonight, ran into a possible 
snag.  This has stumped me and I don’t want to proceed until I’m sure it’s safe…

I’ve drained the fluid, removed the pan and filter.

When I pulled the filter, there was a little tab of sorts on the top of it 
opposite the suction tube that clipped into a slot in the valve body.

When I opened my OE Mercedes filter box, the filter looks essentially the same, 
but the little plastic tab on the new filter doesn’t have any clips, so it just 
“hangs” from the suction tube in the valve body.  If I push up on the filter, 
the tab indexes right into the slot in the valve body, but there’s nothing that 
will hold it in place.

Can this be right?

I’ve looked through Google images and see filters of this type with little 
clips on the tab and ones without.

I don’t want to button the transmission up if I’m not satisfied the filter is 
going to stay in place.

Can anyone reflect on this?  If necessary, I’m going to go over to the dealer 
tomorrow and have them pull another to see if it’s got the clips.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Manfred wrote:
> Ha! I wish it was a vast estate.

Back to nekkid... How about nekkid in rural suburban area?  The empty
warehouse out the back door here might satisfy nekked wandering
around?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Oil pipelines under a drinking water source is a bad idea, if alternative
> routes exist..

Yes.  However, the system has a way to reclaim water... over time.
Is there an upside to arguments FOR the pipeline?  Media seems to be
stuck on protest against but there don't seem to be defense FOR the
pipeline?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--FT wrote:
> Their goal is to stop that oil from coming here altogether...

Someone said the oil is bought by China.  Also said that Valdez oil
all goes to Japan.  Anyone?  Is this true? or is it more partisan
chatter?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] More differentials HIJACK

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

What was the original diff ratio?  Spreadsheet I have from Dave M. says
2.24, and only the E420 has that ratio.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Any opinions on whether a 2.65 from a 124 300d would be a worthwhile swap
> into the e420? A 3.07 or whatever out of a 450 would be better, but some
> internal swapping is required.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

I wonder about you. My first thought would be to say  Wow what a 
great idea, come on over any time you feel like it.


Skeeters are a no problem thing. Ever heard of deep woods off? 
It's the ticks that you have to worry about.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:46:02 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one 
was
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking 
around
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you 
could
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking 
about

having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her
general appearance...

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Ha! I wish it was a vast estate. I'd love to have a place where 
you would have to fly for a couple of hours to get from the edge 
to the house. Still wouldn't reduce the overwatch nowadays.


Manfred



Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 16:42:29 -0500
From: Max Dillon 

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...


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Re: [MBZ] More differentials HIJACK

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Any opinions on whether a 2.65 from a 124 300d would be a worthwhile swap
into the e420? A 3.07 or whatever out of a 450 would be better, but some
internal swapping is required.

On Dec 1, 2016 5:48 AM, "Dan--- via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Again, while even if I have proof that fluids were done recently, I still
> do it. It's cheap insurance and again it gives you a point of reference
> you're absolutely sure is accurate.
>
> It also forces you to look at and inspect stuff you might not necessarily
> look at otherwise.  The power steering filter in the 300D looked awful, and
> the fluid was dark. How many people even know there's a filter in the PS
> system?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's is what I am going to start doing.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:44 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I always change fluids when I get a fresh car.  Saves questions later
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never
> checked the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is
> certain I am changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with
> a pump or something to make it easier.
> >>>
> >>> I am also signing up for AAA
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was
> about five miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I
> drove it another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
>  --
>  Max Dillon
>  Charleston SC
>  '87 300TD
>  '95 E300
> 
> > On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via
> Mercedes"  wrote:
> > So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
> > noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
> > sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid
> my
> > Indy another couple hundred to install it.
> >>
> >> Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
> > but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >>> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >>> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
>  On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>  Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
> 
>  Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
> 
>  Dan
>
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Re: [MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thassa good un!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM
Riddle: What do 120 damaged BMWs make?

Answer: 240 distraught DINKs




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Re: [MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

He seconds, thirds, and fourths your idea.
A triple on the usual "me, too", or "+1" 
Mitch. 
> On December 5, 2016 at 4:23 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Huh?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > +3
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 12/5/16 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> Riddle:  What do 120 damaged BMWs make?
> >>
> >> Answer:  240 distraught DINKs
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.postandcourier.com/business/train-derailment-dama
> >> ges-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-
> >> 11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html
> >>  >> ages-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-
> >> 11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- --FT
> >> Winston Churchill:
> >> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or
> >> small, large or petty,
> >> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> >> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
> >> might of the enemy.”
> >>
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> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Let's see where the price is tomorrow before we get too excited. 
Mitch. 

> On December 5, 2016 at 5:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/262737932048?
> 
> 123 wagon for under a grand.  Does not appear to be rusty, low miles.

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[MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/262737932048?

123 wagon for under a grand.  Does not appear to be rusty, low miles.


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[MBZ] BMW Car catches thief!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

From seattle, northern home of fruits and nuts!

Police blotters can be the source of tiny treasures, and one out of 
Seattle last week offers up a gem involving a sleepy suspect and a 
high-tech car. Per the Seattle Police Department's crime log, a BMW was 
reported stolen in the early morning hours of Nov. 27, and thanks to the 
perks of owning a luxury vehicle, BMW's corporate office was able to 
help cops track the car, parked but still running in an alley—with the 
suspected thief taking a snooze behind the wheel.


BMW came to the rescue a second time, locking the doors from afar and 
trapping the 38-year-old suspect inside. He tried to drive away, failed, 
and was then arrested on charges of auto theft and drug possession for 
the small amount of meth cops say they found on him. (In Canada, a game 
of GTA led to a joyride and car chase—with an 11-year-old driver)




Read more: 
http://whoradio.iheart.com/articles/national-news-104668/bmw-remotely-foils-wouldbe-car-thief-15359787/#ixzz4S0FNFblp 



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Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Another Car Fax request please (for BAT listing):

WDBAB93C7FF035664
1985 300TD



On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Thanks!
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2016 at 10:08 AM
>> Vehicle History Report™
>> 1987 MERCEDES-BENZ 420SEL
>> VIN: WDBCA35D3HA291847
>> SEDAN 4 DR
>> 4.2L V8 FI
>> GASOLINE
>> REAR WHEEL DRIVE
>> Accident / Damage reported
>> 2 Service history records
>> 18 Detailed records available
>> 151,536 Last reported odometer reading
>> This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied
>> to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may
>> not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool,
>> along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision
>> about your next used car.
>>
>> CARFAX Title History
>> CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
>> Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt | Fire
>> Flood | Hail | Lemon Guaranteed
>> No Problem
>> Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed
>> No Problem
>> GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state
>> Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title
>> problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX
>> will buy this vehicle back. View Terms
>> CARFAX Additional History
>> Not all accidents / issues are reported to CARFAX
>> Total Loss
>> No total loss reported to CARFAX.
>> Structural Damage
>> No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
>> Airbag Deployment
>> No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
>> Odometer Check
>> No indication of an odometer rollback.
>> Accident / Damage
>> Accident reported on 06/25/1990.
>> Manufacturer Recall
>> Check with an authorized Mercedes-Benz dealer for any open recalls. No
>> Recalls Reported
>> CARFAX Detailed History
>> Mileage: Source: Comments:
>> 6/25/90
>> Florida
>> Damage Report Accident reported
>> Involving front impact
>> with another motor vehicle
>> 6/4/91
>> 54,000 mi.
>> Florida
>> Inspection Station
>> Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
>> 11/8/91
>> 59,000 mi.
>> Florida
>> Inspection Station
>> Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
>> 11/20/91
>> 59,604 mi.
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Saint Petersburg, FL
>> Title #50568932 Title issued or updated
>> Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
>> Loan or lien reported
>> 4/29/92
>> 66,000 mi.
>> Florida
>> Inspection Station
>> Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
>> 5/19/94
>> 90,000 mi.
>> Florida
>> Inspection Station
>> Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
>> 9/8/00
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Sarasota, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
>> Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
>> Loan or lien reported
>> 7/8/03
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Saint Petersburg, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
>> New owner reported
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> 4/15/04
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Clearwater, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
>> New owner reported
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> 10/17/05
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Oldsmar, FL Registration updated when owner moved
>> the vehicle to a new location
>> 5/31/06
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Oldsmar, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
>> Duplicate title issued
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> 9/12/07
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported
>> 9/17/07
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Oldsmar, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
>> New owner reported
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> Vehicle color noted as Gray
>> 8/14/13
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Palm Harbor, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Registration issued or renewed
>> Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> Registration updated when owner moved
>> the vehicle to a new location
>> Vehicle color noted as Gray
>> 6/30/14
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Palm Harbor, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Registration issued or renewed
>> Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> Vehicle color noted as Gray
>> 7/22/14
>> 151,536 mi.
>> Pep Boys
>> Clearwater, FL
>> 727-785-2803 Tire(s) balanced
>> 8/9/14
>> Pep Boys
>> Clearwater, FL
>> 727-785-2803 Vehicle serviced
>> 7/21/15
>> Florida
>> Motor Vehicle Dept.
>> Palm Harbor, FL
>> Title #0050568932 Registration issued or renewed
>> Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
>> Exempt from odometer reporting
>> Vehicle color noted as Gray
>> Glossary
>> Accident / Damage Indicator
>> CARFAX receives information about accidents in all 50 states, the
>> District of Columbia and Canada. Different information in a vehicle's
>> history can indicate an accident or damage, such as: salvage auction, fire
>> damage, 

Re: [MBZ] Block Tester

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I agree those symptoms are suspicious.  Both tests (used oil analysis, coolant 
strip test) could be useful.

Sounds like you can live with it for a bit, and time the work to match your 
schedule.  Just keep an eye on the engine oil, heavy coolant contamination with 
turn it into a frothy milkshake, and then deeper damage can occur (bearings).
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 5, 2016 1:13:49 PM EST, Jon Agne  wrote:
>Ah yes.  I forgot to mention the symptoms.
>
>1.  I started to notice that I’d need just a little coolant now and
>then.  A pint or two now and then.
>
>2.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice rapidly rising
>temperature with a cold thermostat and radiator.  This is being caused
>by an occasional air bubble.  Vigorous squeezing of the top radiator
>hose solved this problem.
>
>3.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice that coolant was flowing
>out of the radiator overflow hose.  Again with a cold thermostat and
>radiator.
>
>4.  And yes, occasionally when checking coolant when  cold, I notice a
>slight pffft when cracking the radiator cap.
>
>I have found no trace of coolant in the engine oil.
>
>Jon
>
>
>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> NAPA sells them, as do other FLAPS I'll bet, but I've never tried
>them.
>> 
>> When I was getting the classic symptom of a pressurized coolant
>system that
>> stays pressurized overnight (The White Whale, a couple years ago), my
>> thought was that the head crack or failed gasket was allowing
>pressurized
>> gasses to be dissolved into the coolant when the engine was running. 
>These
>> dissolved gasses are what the test strips from NAPA are designed to
>> detect.  The gasses have effectively "carbonated" the coolant, like a
>can
>> of seltzer water, and if the coolant pressure cap is performing
>correctly,
>> it will hold the pressure in the system at 2 bar, but allow pressure
>beyond
>> that to escape.
>> 
>> So, does your 250S cooling system stay pressurized overnight?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some
>of the
>>> symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an
>exhaust leak
>>> into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end
>>> overhaul, as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one was 
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking around 
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you could 
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking about 
having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her 
general appearance...


--FT


On 12/5/16 4:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...


--
--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 5, 2016 3:11:26 PM EST, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
>walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always 
>thought it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now 
>where did I put that tinfoil beanie?
>
>Manfred
>
>try to scrub that one out of your minds!
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
>> From: "d...@penoff.com" 
>> 
>> Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office
>do, I can assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater
>resolution from that high up in space for a long time.
>> 
>> The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records
>and reports, it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is
>usually much lower resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of
>vegetation, sometimes the illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.
>> 
>> Dan 
>
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Re: [MBZ] For All You Brown Car Lovers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Does the seller include an asking price?  Sweet car.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> complete with evil crypsler ACC
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2016 at 1:52 PM
>> Looks good
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Huh?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> +3
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 12/5/16 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Riddle:  What do 120 damaged BMWs make?
>>
>> Answer:  240 distraught DINKs
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> http://www.postandcourier.com/business/train-derailment-dama
>> ges-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-
>> 11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html
>> > ages-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-
>> 11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html>
>>
>>
>> -- --FT
>> Winston Churchill:
>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or
>> small, large or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
>> might of the enemy.”
>>
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

+3

--FT


On 12/5/16 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Riddle:  What do 120 damaged BMWs make?

Answer:  240 distraught DINKs


On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:



http://www.postandcourier.com/business/train-derailment-damages-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html




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small, large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Riddle:  What do 120 damaged BMWs make?

Answer:  240 distraught DINKs


On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://www.postandcourier.com/business/train-derailment-dama
> ges-more-than-bmws-on-their-way-to/article_c6c77ba2-baf6-
> 11e6-aec1-27eb7ca3f8a5.html
>
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Oil pipelines under a drinking water source is a bad idea, if alternative
routes exist..  Slight risk but a potentially catastrophic impact.  Much
like the BP Horizon spill, which has lingering effects and will have them
for years.  I used to think offshore oil was fail safe too until the BP
disaster. There have been numerous pipeline spills into bodies of water and
under creeks.  Nasty business. Natural gas pipelines will only explode so
not as big a deal.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Their goal is to stop that oil from coming here altogether, so this is
> just one battle in that war.
>
> I had an interesting conversation with this young woman a year or so ago
> over a local issue where there is (was) a scheme to do seismic exploration
> and drilling offshore here.  It is a completely stupid idea for a variety
> of reasons, with no upside I can see and no one on the "pro" side could
> adequately articulate. We were in agreement on that, but then she (and I
> have known her for awhile with not entire respect) made some stupid comment
> about oil spills from offshore drilling in the Gulf (and that big blowout a
> few years ago was her main issue, which is perfectly reasonable) and that
> all offshore drilling should cease.  I pointed out that in the Gulf, and I
> think on the SoCal coast, that oil production had actually improved the
> cleanliness of the coast and beaches and marshes and such, since the
> pressure was taken off the pools and it was no longer seeping and being
> pushed up into the water to float to shore and pollute everything.  She
> kinda went blank on that idea, which I then pointed out was the main issue
> with the BP spill, all that stuff is down under there under some pretty
> high pressure, and pumping it reduces the pressure, and if done properly,
> as it mostly has been for at least 30 or 40 years or more, it is safe and
> actually has some significant environmental benefits.
>
> Sometimes, as I well know, zeal can either be due to ignorance or to
> calculation.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 12/5/16 2:40 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I got this spam yesterday about the Dakota pipeline.  I guess the Sierra
>> Club would rather transport the oil with "nasty, dirty diesel trucks and
>> train"  that "history has taught us it's not a matter of if, rather when
>> will they crash" and cause a spill.  *sigh*
>>
>> --> snip <--
>>
>> Take Action with the Sierra Club
>>
>> History made! The Obama administration just announced that
>> it will not grant the final easement for the Dakota Access
>> Pipeline!
>>
>> --> snip <--
>>
>> The fight to reject the Dakota Access Pipeline isn't over
>> and we aren't going to back down until this pipeline is
>> rejected once and for all, but the administration's
>> announcement today ensures Energy Transfer Partners can't
>> continue its assault on the Standing Rock Sioux's
>> ancestral homelands.
>>
>> --> snip <--
>>
>> History has taught us that it's never a question whether
>> a pipeline will spill, rather a question of when, and a
>> comprehensive environmental review will show that this
>> dirty and dangerous project will threaten the safety of
>> every community it cuts through.
>>
>> --> snip <--
>>
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> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
>
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Re: [MBZ] Donor Car for Curley

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No pix, so I guess the interior must be completely trashed.

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> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5903387472.html
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Their goal is to stop that oil from coming here altogether, so this is 
just one battle in that war.


I had an interesting conversation with this young woman a year or so ago 
over a local issue where there is (was) a scheme to do seismic 
exploration and drilling offshore here.  It is a completely stupid idea 
for a variety of reasons, with no upside I can see and no one on the 
"pro" side could adequately articulate. We were in agreement on that, 
but then she (and I have known her for awhile with not entire respect) 
made some stupid comment about oil spills from offshore drilling in the 
Gulf (and that big blowout a few years ago was her main issue, which is 
perfectly reasonable) and that all offshore drilling should cease.  I 
pointed out that in the Gulf, and I think on the SoCal coast, that oil 
production had actually improved the cleanliness of the coast and 
beaches and marshes and such, since the pressure was taken off the pools 
and it was no longer seeping and being pushed up into the water to float 
to shore and pollute everything.  She kinda went blank on that idea, 
which I then pointed out was the main issue with the BP spill, all that 
stuff is down under there under some pretty high pressure, and pumping 
it reduces the pressure, and if done properly, as it mostly has been for 
at least 30 or 40 years or more, it is safe and actually has some 
significant environmental benefits.


Sometimes, as I well know, zeal can either be due to ignorance or to 
calculation.


--FT


On 12/5/16 2:40 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
I got this spam yesterday about the Dakota pipeline.  I guess the 
Sierra Club would rather transport the oil with "nasty, dirty diesel 
trucks and train"  that "history has taught us it's not a matter of 
if, rather when will they crash" and cause a spill.  *sigh*


--> snip <--

Take Action with the Sierra Club

History made! The Obama administration just announced that
it will not grant the final easement for the Dakota Access
Pipeline!

--> snip <--

The fight to reject the Dakota Access Pipeline isn't over
and we aren't going to back down until this pipeline is
rejected once and for all, but the administration's
announcement today ensures Energy Transfer Partners can't
continue its assault on the Standing Rock Sioux's
ancestral homelands.

--> snip <--

History has taught us that it's never a question whether
a pipeline will spill, rather a question of when, and a
comprehensive environmental review will show that this
dirty and dangerous project will threaten the safety of
every community it cuts through.

--> snip <--


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=201610187579.russian_aluminum_foil_second_skin

--FT


On 12/5/16 3:11 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always thought 
it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now where did I put 
that tinfoil beanie?


Manfred

try to scrub that one out of your minds!



Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office 
do, I can assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater 
resolution from that high up in space for a long time.


The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records 
and reports, it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is 
usually much lower resolution and shifted to infrared for detection 
of vegetation, sometimes the illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.


Dan 


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always 
thought it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now 
where did I put that tinfoil beanie?


Manfred

try to scrub that one out of your minds!



Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office do, I can 
assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater resolution from 
that high up in space for a long time.

The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records and reports, 
it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is usually much lower 
resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of vegetation, sometimes the 
illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.

Dan 


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Re: [MBZ] For All You Brown Car Lovers

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

complete with evil crypsler ACC


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 1:52 PM
Looks good

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't recall any oil pipeline ruptures, as the impact in minimal.  If 
I were the pipeline company, I'd offer to install a pipe in pipe for the 
portion under the missouri river (which we are told is the rub) with an 
automatic pumping/recovery system for any oil leakage under the river.  
Some folks seem to think oel is a substance from another plant and is 
terribly deadly.  They seem to forget it comes from the earph, and will 
return to the earph.  It is organic.  Coal is organic.


Now, if the subject is LP gas pipelines, I have a very different 
outlook.  Those DO blow, and the results are spectacular and deadly.  
The resultant explosion is often heard for 50 or more miles, sometimes 
as much as 75 or 100.  The shock wave destroys birdlife and other 
wildlife for a large area.  It is decades before the wildlife returns.



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 1:40 PM
I got this spam yesterday about the Dakota pipeline.  I guess the 
Sierra Club would rather transport the oil with "nasty, dirty diesel 
trucks and train"  that "history has taught us it's not a matter of 
if, rather when will they crash" and cause a spill.  *sigh*


--> snip <--

Take Action with the Sierra Club

History made! The Obama administration just announced that
it will not grant the final easement for the Dakota Access
Pipeline!

--> snip <--

The fight to reject the Dakota Access Pipeline isn't over
and we aren't going to back down until this pipeline is
rejected once and for all, but the administration's
announcement today ensures Energy Transfer Partners can't
continue its assault on the Standing Rock Sioux's
ancestral homelands.

--> snip <--

History has taught us that it's never a question whether
a pipeline will spill, rather a question of when, and a
comprehensive environmental review will show that this
dirty and dangerous project will threaten the safety of
every community it cuts through.

--> snip <--


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Re: [MBZ] For All You Brown Car Lovers

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that is a nice looking car, wonder what the guy will get for it.  
Can't be that many 116 lovers out there for 30+yo cars.


--FT


On 12/5/16 2:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Looks good

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5872512965.html

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] For All You Brown Car Lovers

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Looks good 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5872512965.html
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[MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[fmiser via Mercedes]

I got this spam yesterday about the Dakota pipeline.  I guess the Sierra 
Club would rather transport the oil with "nasty, dirty diesel trucks and 
train"  that "history has taught us it's not a matter of if, rather when 
will they crash" and cause a spill.  *sigh*


--> snip <--

Take Action with the Sierra Club

History made! The Obama administration just announced that
it will not grant the final easement for the Dakota Access
Pipeline!

--> snip <--

The fight to reject the Dakota Access Pipeline isn't over
and we aren't going to back down until this pipeline is
rejected once and for all, but the administration's
announcement today ensures Energy Transfer Partners can't
continue its assault on the Standing Rock Sioux's
ancestral homelands.

--> snip <--

History has taught us that it's never a question whether
a pipeline will spill, rather a question of when, and a
comprehensive environmental review will show that this
dirty and dangerous project will threaten the safety of
every community it cuts through.

--> snip <--


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[MBZ] For All You Brown Car Lovers

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5872512965.html

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Re: [MBZ] Block Tester

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Maybe do an oil analysis to see if there's any trace of coolant in the oil...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
wrote:   Ah yes.  I forgot to mention the symptoms.

1.  I started to notice that I’d need just a little coolant now and then.  A 
pint or two now and then.

2.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice rapidly rising temperature with a 
cold thermostat and radiator.  This is being caused by an occasional air 
bubble.  Vigorous squeezing of the top radiator hose solved this problem.

3.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice that coolant was flowing out of 
the radiator overflow hose.  Again with a cold thermostat and radiator.

4.  And yes, occasionally when checking coolant when  cold, I notice a slight 
pffft when cracking the radiator cap.

I have found no trace of coolant in the engine oil.

Jon


> On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> NAPA sells them, as do other FLAPS I'll bet, but I've never tried them.
> 
> When I was getting the classic symptom of a pressurized coolant system that
> stays pressurized overnight (The White Whale, a couple years ago), my
> thought was that the head crack or failed gasket was allowing pressurized
> gasses to be dissolved into the coolant when the engine was running.  These
> dissolved gasses are what the test strips from NAPA are designed to
> detect.  The gasses have effectively "carbonated" the coolant, like a can
> of seltzer water, and if the coolant pressure cap is performing correctly,
> it will hold the pressure in the system at 2 bar, but allow pressure beyond
> that to escape.
> 
> So, does your 250S cooling system stay pressurized overnight?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the
>> symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak
>> into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end
>> overhaul, as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Block Tester

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Ah yes.  I forgot to mention the symptoms.

1.  I started to notice that I’d need just a little coolant now and then.  A 
pint or two now and then.

2.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice rapidly rising temperature with a 
cold thermostat and radiator.  This is being caused by an occasional air 
bubble.  Vigorous squeezing of the top radiator hose solved this problem.

3.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice that coolant was flowing out of 
the radiator overflow hose.  Again with a cold thermostat and radiator.

4.  And yes, occasionally when checking coolant when  cold, I notice a slight 
pffft when cracking the radiator cap.

I have found no trace of coolant in the engine oil.

Jon


> On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> NAPA sells them, as do other FLAPS I'll bet, but I've never tried them.
> 
> When I was getting the classic symptom of a pressurized coolant system that
> stays pressurized overnight (The White Whale, a couple years ago), my
> thought was that the head crack or failed gasket was allowing pressurized
> gasses to be dissolved into the coolant when the engine was running.  These
> dissolved gasses are what the test strips from NAPA are designed to
> detect.  The gasses have effectively "carbonated" the coolant, like a can
> of seltzer water, and if the coolant pressure cap is performing correctly,
> it will hold the pressure in the system at 2 bar, but allow pressure beyond
> that to escape.
> 
> So, does your 250S cooling system stay pressurized overnight?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the
>> symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak
>> into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end
>> overhaul, as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Changing diff fluid

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:45:20 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Plus their severe duty stuff quieted a noisy diff in a W123 I had.

Which stuff was that? Our Chevy van suddenly developed a noisy
differential a few years ago.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 10:08 AM
Vehicle History Report™
1987 MERCEDES-BENZ 420SEL
VIN: WDBCA35D3HA291847
SEDAN 4 DR
4.2L V8 FI
GASOLINE
REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Accident / Damage reported
2 Service history records
18 Detailed records available
151,536 Last reported odometer reading
This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information 
supplied to CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including 
problems, may not have been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one 
important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to 
make a better decision about your next used car.


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Total Loss
No total loss reported to CARFAX.
Structural Damage
No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
Airbag Deployment
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
Odometer Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.
Accident / Damage
Accident reported on 06/25/1990.
Manufacturer Recall
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CARFAX Detailed History
Mileage: Source: Comments:
6/25/90
Florida
Damage Report Accident reported
Involving front impact
with another motor vehicle
6/4/91
54,000 mi.
Florida
Inspection Station
Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
11/8/91
59,000 mi.
Florida
Inspection Station
Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
11/20/91
59,604 mi.
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Petersburg, FL
Title #50568932 Title issued or updated
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported
4/29/92
66,000 mi.
Florida
Inspection Station
Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
5/19/94
90,000 mi.
Florida
Inspection Station
Saint Petersburg, FL Passed emissions inspection
9/8/00
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Sarasota, FL
Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported
7/8/03
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Saint Petersburg, FL
Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting
4/15/04
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Clearwater, FL
Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting
10/17/05
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Oldsmar, FL Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
5/31/06
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Oldsmar, FL
Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
Duplicate title issued
Exempt from odometer reporting
9/12/07
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported
9/17/07
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Oldsmar, FL
Title #0050568932 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting
Vehicle color noted as Gray
8/14/13
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Palm Harbor, FL
Title #0050568932 Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Exempt from odometer reporting
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Gray
6/30/14
Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Palm Harbor, FL
Title #0050568932 Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Exempt from odometer reporting
Vehicle color noted as Gray
7/22/14
151,536 mi.
Pep Boys
Clearwater, FL
727-785-2803 Tire(s) balanced
8/9/14
Pep Boys
Clearwater, FL
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7/21/15
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Vehicle color noted as Gray
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disclosure, collision repair facility and automotive recycler records. 
Not every accident or damage event is reported and not all reported 
are provided to CARFAX. Details about the accident or damage event 
when reported to CARFAX (e.g. severity, impact location, airbag 
deployment) are included on the Vehicle History Report. CARFAX 
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8% of the 254 million registered vehicles in the U.S. were involved in 
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Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, I found that from the polish site.  Thanks.

I was looking for the history.

It may be subject to a recall
It appears to have annual inspections



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 10:08 AM
That VIN is valid, belongs to a 87 420SEL.
Mitch.
Curley McLain 
December 5, 2016 at 9:45 AM
Anyone able to check this VIN?

WDBCA35D3HA291847

I am not sure about the D3 portion, but the rest of it is correct.


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[MBZ] BMWs for sale cheepcheep

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check?su=tnxe5hn_


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> On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I found a mistake with the vin.  Try this one:
> 
> Anyone able to check this VIN?
> 
> WDBCA35D3HA291847
> 
> I am not sure about the D3 portion, but the rest of it is correct.
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Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Vehicle History Report™
1987 MERCEDES-BENZ 420SEL
VIN: WDBCA35D3HA291847
SEDAN 4 DR
4.2L V8 FI
GASOLINE
REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Accident / Damage reported
2 Service history records
18 Detailed records available
151,536 Last reported odometer reading
This CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to 
CARFAX. Other information about this vehicle, including problems, may not have 
been reported to CARFAX. Use this report as one important tool, along with a 
vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next 
used car.

CARFAX Title History
CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt | Fire 
Flood | Hail | LemonGuaranteed
No Problem 
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits  Guaranteed
No Problem 
GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state 
Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title 
problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will 
buy this vehicle back.  View Terms
CARFAX Additional History
Not all accidents / issues are reported to CARFAX
Total Loss
No total loss reported to CARFAX.   
Structural Damage
No structural damage reported to CARFAX.
Airbag Deployment
No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX.
Odometer Check
No indication of an odometer rollback.  
Accident / Damage
Accident reported on 06/25/1990.
Manufacturer Recall
Check with an authorized Mercedes-Benz dealer for any open recalls. No 
Recalls Reported
CARFAX Detailed History
Mileage:Source: Comments:
6/25/90
Florida 
Damage Report   Accident reported
Involving front impact
with another motor vehicle 
6/4/91
54,000 mi.
Florida 
Inspection Station 
Saint Petersburg, FLPassed emissions inspection
11/8/91
59,000 mi.
Florida 
Inspection Station 
Saint Petersburg, FLPassed emissions inspection
11/20/91
59,604 mi.
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Saint Petersburg, FL 
Title #50568932 Title issued or updated
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported 
4/29/92
66,000 mi.
Florida 
Inspection Station 
Saint Petersburg, FLPassed emissions inspection
5/19/94
90,000 mi.
Florida 
Inspection Station 
Saint Petersburg, FLPassed emissions inspection
9/8/00
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Sarasota, FL 
Title #0050568932   Title issued or updated
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported 
7/8/03
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Saint Petersburg, FL 
Title #0050568932   Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting 
4/15/04
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Clearwater, FL 
Title #0050568932   Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting 
10/17/05
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oldsmar, FL Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location 
5/31/06
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oldsmar, FL 
Title #0050568932   Title issued or updated
Duplicate title issued
Exempt from odometer reporting 
9/12/07
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported
9/17/07
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Oldsmar, FL 
Title #0050568932   Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Exempt from odometer reporting
Vehicle color noted as Gray 
8/14/13
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Palm Harbor, FL 
Title #0050568932   Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Exempt from odometer reporting
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Gray 
6/30/14
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Palm Harbor, FL 
Title #0050568932   Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Exempt from odometer reporting
Vehicle color noted as Gray 
7/22/14
151,536 mi.
Pep Boys
Clearwater, FL 
727-785-2803Tire(s) balanced
8/9/14
Pep Boys
Clearwater, FL 
727-785-2803Vehicle serviced
7/21/15
Florida 
Motor Vehicle Dept. 
Palm Harbor, FL 
Title #0050568932   Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Exempt from odometer reporting
Vehicle color noted as Gray 
Glossary
Accident / Damage Indicator
CARFAX receives information about accidents in all 50 states, the District of 
Columbia and Canada. Different information in a vehicle's history can indicate 
an accident or damage, such as: salvage auction, fire damage, police-reported 
accident, crash test vehicle, damage disclosure, collision repair facility and 
automotive recycler records. Not every accident or damage event is reported and 
not all reported are provided to CARFAX. Details about the accident or damage 
event when reported to CARFAX (e.g. severity, impact location, airbag 
deployment) are included on the Vehicle History Report. CARFAX recommends you 
obtain a vehicle inspection from your dealer or an independent mechanic.
According to the National Safety Council, Injury Facts, 2015 edition, 8% of the 

Re: [MBZ] VIN check

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That VIN is valid, belongs to a 87 420SEL. 
Mitch. 
> On December 5, 2016 at 10:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> WDBCA35D3HA291847

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[MBZ] VIN check

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I found a mistake with the vin.  Try this one:

Anyone able to check this VIN?

WDBCA35D3HA291847

I am not sure about the D3 portion, but the rest of it is correct.

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[MBZ] VIN check

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Anyone able to check this VIN?

WDBCA35D3HA291347

I am not sure about the D3 portion, but the rest of it is correct.

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Re: [MBZ] Block Tester

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

NAPA sells them, as do other FLAPS I'll bet, but I've never tried them.

When I was getting the classic symptom of a pressurized coolant system that
stays pressurized overnight (The White Whale, a couple years ago), my
thought was that the head crack or failed gasket was allowing pressurized
gasses to be dissolved into the coolant when the engine was running.  These
dissolved gasses are what the test strips from NAPA are designed to
detect.  The gasses have effectively "carbonated" the coolant, like a can
of seltzer water, and if the coolant pressure cap is performing correctly,
it will hold the pressure in the system at 2 bar, but allow pressure beyond
that to escape.

So, does your 250S cooling system stay pressurized overnight?

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Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the
> symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak
> into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end
> overhaul, as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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[MBZ] Block Tester

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the 
symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak 
into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end overhaul, 
as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.

Jon




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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office do, I can 
assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater resolution from 
that high up in space for a long time.

The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records and reports, 
it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is usually much lower 
resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of vegetation, sometimes the 
illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.

Dan 

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> On Dec 5, 2016, at 9:05 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north south passes 
> at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west that takes about 1/2 hr to 
> come back from the north and about an hour from the south it makes you 
> wonder. I'm thinking that they do the closer images with the plane and the 
> higher altitude ones from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes 
> to download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 1000' 
> another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger area ones that were 
> loaded for the higher altitude view. I've seen the flight pattern from a 
> similar looking 2 engine plane twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed 
> the different closeup views about a week after. Of course the larger area 
> pictures change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
> maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
> Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be thinking that 
> so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.
>> I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.
>> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No they are just looking for pot

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> On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:05 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north south passes 
> at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west that takes about 1/2 hr to 
> come back from the north and about an hour from the south it makes you 
> wonder. I'm thinking that they do the closer images with the plane and the 
> higher altitude ones from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes 
> to download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 1000' 
> another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger area ones that were 
> loaded for the higher altitude view. I've seen the flight pattern from a 
> similar looking 2 engine plane twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed 
> the different closeup views about a week after. Of course the larger area 
> pictures change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
> maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
> Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be thinking that 
> so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.
>> I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.
>> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north 
south passes at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west 
that takes about 1/2 hr to come back from the north and about an 
hour from the south it makes you wonder. I'm thinking that they 
do the closer images with the plane and the higher altitude ones 
from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes to 
download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 
1000' another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger 
area ones that were loaded for the higher altitude view. I've 
seen the flight pattern from a similar looking 2 engine plane 
twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed the different closeup 
views about a week after. Of course the larger area pictures 
change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be 
thinking that so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)


Manfred



Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 

No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.

I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] 603 compression test

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here ya' go, use at your own risk.  Nice to keep this idea in your back
pocket for an emergency, not a standard practice that I would follow.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/2832102-post6.html

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> On peach parts, a guy posted a method for re-setting a heat shield for
> re-use. Basically you bend it back to original shape, pushing the center
> part.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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[MBZ] Donor Car for Curley

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5903387472.html
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Re: [MBZ] Bilstein Shock Vendor

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks!

I found a photo DIY on Benzworld with the details.  I figured that was the 
case, as I didn’t recall seeing shock towers in the trunk when I was cleaning 
it up.

Dan


> On Dec 4, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Behind the seat back.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 4, 2016 at 5:20 PM
>> Anyone got a good supplier for Bilstein shocks?
>> 
>> I just realize the dripping fluid I was seeing around my left rear wheel on 
>> the 300D was from a leaking shock.
>> 
>> Are the top shock mounting bolts on the W123 sedan in the trunk or behind 
>> the rear seat back?
>> 
>> Dan
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