Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and that is why I asked about leaking around the windows or somewhere.


Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
January 26, 2017 at 12:16 AM
I concur. Open construction gets wet easily, but it also dries easily.
Doesn't really want to rot, but will go silver. Rot means wet, and more
wet, on top of wet.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Vergasser engines

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

does anyone know the dimensions for the various vergasser v8s?  I am 
wondering about motor mounts, transmission mating etc for M117 or M119 
vs M116.   I know a M117 will fit inthe space, but it is terribly 
crowded, so I have been looking for a good M116.  What are the physical 
differences between M119 4.2 and a M116 4.2?


In the FL 420SEL disaster, I found out that even in 1990, they were 
still using 5 belts on the vergasser in place of the one serp belt as on 
the OM603.  That is a minus.  Did the M117 560 use a whole boatload of 
belts or a serp belt?


I'd guess the M119 uses the serp belt.  Is this true?

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I concur.  Open construction gets wet easily, but it also dries easily.
Doesn't really want to rot, but will go silver.  Rot means wet, and more
wet, on top of wet.

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[MBZ] another Andrew TD

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/5954070453.html


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

IMO, this looks like damage from chronic, ongoing water intrusion, not from
a brief period before windows and doors were installed.  Before you fix the
current damage you need to be sure water is not getting in now.  Proper
flashing and sealing around doors and windows is essential to prevent water
intrusion.  Unfortunately it's hard to check flashing with the siding
installed.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:08 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors
> 
> Here are the photos of the rotting area and my temp fix



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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

When I bought my current house it had a chronic water leak in a half bath
that seriously rotted the hardwood floor, subfloor, and joists.  That room
was small, maybe 5x6 ft.  I removed the fixtures and ripped out the rotted
wood.  It was so bad I could pull up chunks by hand and a flat pry bar was
very handy for the rest.  I cut and installed new joists and new sub floor.
I found it best to work from the top with the floor open.  Many things were
easy standing in the dirt (before the sub flooring) that would have been
difficult from below (e.g. joists and plumbing).  I used metal hangers where
the joists met the perimeter timbers (huge old 12x12 stuff from the 1850s).
This can be a DIY job if the area is small enough.  I had reasonable success
with a chipboard subfloor called Advantech but the 4x8 sheets are heavy for
one person.  In that half bath I used 3/4 PT plywood under cement board and
vinyl (it is still a bathroom) but the Advantech in my 2005 addition (about
1000 sf) has done well.  IMO, no wood product will survive unless it's kept
dry.
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:05 PM
> 
> Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I
would
> open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not crawling back and
> forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they used that crappy
particle
> board type crap. If it was not rotten then yes that would make it easier.
The
> wife thinks that doing the pergo flooring in that room only would look
stupid.
> I'm not sure if I agree or not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > And replace the sill plate as needed.   Got a contractor friend who will
inspect
> the work and put it under his E & O Ins for a fee?   THat would shift the
liability.
> Or set up a C corp with your BIL or some such, hire the corp to do the
work.
> (You work for the corp.) Get estimates, bills and receipts form the corp.
As
> soon as the house is sold, dissolve the corp.
> >
> > If that crap chipboard floor was not rotted, you could just jack up the
joist,
> put a sill inder like you did, make concrete piers to support a permanent
Sill,
> (beam) replace the sill plate and you'd be good.
> >
> > Can you replace 2-4 tiles around the edge of the room with a contrasting
tile
> so you son't need to rip out all the tile?  But as someone (Mitch?) said,
the tile
> should have concrete backer board underneath.
> >
> > I did a room with tile for 3' on 3 sides, then put carpet in the center.
That
> way there was no seam in the carpet.  I didn't want to sew a carpet seam.
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  January 25,
> >> 2017 at 8:05 PM Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip
> >> out rotted subfloor and replace.
> >> Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles.
> >> Sounds like fun, eh?
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's possible I will check. There are currently no terminates but there were. 
The side that is in those photos is not even near a window thought.  I figure 
when it sat empty with no widows it rained in and water ran down all along that 
side wall. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That crap chipboard is about all you can buy now.  15 yrs ago or so, it was 
> about the same price as plywood.  Plywood does not rot as fast, does not 
> swell as much in humidity, and does not become a torch in a fire.  If they'd 
> used 3/4" Doug fir plywood, your floor would probably be OK.
> 
> Question It seems like maybe water is still getting in and attracting 
> termites.  I'm betting water gets in around the windows and runs down behind 
> the siding.  Have you checked it out?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2017 at 9:05 PM
>> Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I would 
>> open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not crawling back and 
>> forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they used that crappy particle 
>> board type crap. If it was not rotten then yes that would make it easier. 
>> The wife thinks that doing the pergo flooring in that room only would look 
>> stupid. I'm not sure if I agree or not.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That crap chipboard is about all you can buy now.  15 yrs ago or so, it 
was about the same price as plywood.  Plywood does not rot as fast, does 
not swell as much in humidity, and does not become a torch in a fire.  
If they'd used 3/4" Doug fir plywood, your floor would probably be OK.


Question It seems like maybe water is still getting in and 
attracting termites.  I'm betting water gets in around the windows and 
runs down behind the siding.  Have you checked it out?






Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 25, 2017 at 9:05 PM
Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I 
would open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not 
crawling back and forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they 
used that crappy particle board type crap. If it was not rotten then 
yes that would make it easier. The wife thinks that doing the pergo 
flooring in that room only would look stupid. I'm not sure if I agree 
or not.


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
Just a suggestion...contact the "This Old House" gang and see if they'll come 
fix your house as a show project. I've seen them fix issues like yours on their 
shows. I had a front entry way section of a house done years ago (termite 
damage), but it was done by a professional. He did a great job and the repair 
wasn't really that obvious. 
Just a thought and you might end up on TV :-)) 
Good Luck and best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Does anyone know?

[clay via Mercedes]

#1 boy has missed two elections since moving to ND.  I still get his ballot in 
the mail.  Not voting it.  I usually use it to start fireplace.  Around here 
you have to beg to be let off the list.   Mom went through the process of 
letting all know when dad passed.  Seems the state of WA does not believe in 
the dead or the incarcerated.   She had to toss his ballots in the trash the 
last four years.  I expect I will be dealing with both of their election 
responsibilities when she passes.  

clay


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In 2005 I moved from FL to NC and changed my domicile to NC (new driver
> license, registered to vote, etc).   Previously, I had been a FL resident
> since 1981.  
> 
> So, was I a registered voter in two states at the same time?  How does the
> abandoned FL registration get cancelled?  Does the gaining state inform the
> losing state to cancel voter registration when you register in a new state?
> NC cancels voting registration after some number of years if you haven't
> voted during that time; is that typical of all states?
> 
> Just how common is voter registration in multiple states?  Is it inevitable
> if you change domicile?
> 
> Scott
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:05 PM
> 
>> ... is registered to vote in two states...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[clay via Mercedes]

They make a floating flooring that looks like tile or rock.  Might be ok.

Cut out the whole sheet of damaged and do it right.  Put the tile backer if you 
do go with tile.  Then use the tile that comes in sheets already stuck 
together.  

I hate particle board with a passion.  I see all manner of homes being built 
with it in PNW and imaging how rotted it will be in a short time, while the 
rains come down while it is being put up.  Million dollar homes using that junk 
for siding, not only floors.  I demanded marine ply from my contractor.  

clay


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I would 
> open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not crawling back and 
> forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they used that crappy particle 
> board type crap. If it was not rotten then yes that would make it easier. The 
> wife thinks that doing the pergo flooring in that room only would look 
> stupid. I'm not sure if I agree or not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And replace the sill plate as needed.   Got a contractor friend who will 
>> inspect the work and put it under his E & O Ins for a fee?   THat would 
>> shift the liability.   Or set up a C corp with your BIL or some such, hire 
>> the corp to do the work.  (You work for the corp.) Get estimates, bills and 
>> receipts form the corp.  As soon as the house is sold, dissolve the corp.
>> 
>> If that crap chipboard floor was not rotted, you could just jack up the 
>> joist, put a sill inder like you did, make concrete piers to support a 
>> permanent Sill, (beam) replace the sill plate and you'd be good.
>> 
>> Can you replace 2-4 tiles around the edge of the room with a contrasting 
>> tile so you son't need to rip out all the tile?  But as someone (Mitch?) 
>> said, the tile should have concrete backer board underneath.
>> 
>> I did a room with tile for 3' on 3 sides, then put carpet in the center.  
>> That way there was no seam in the carpet.  I didn't want to sew a carpet 
>> seam.
>>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>> January 25, 2017 at 8:05 PM
>>> Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted subfloor 
>>> and replace.
>>> Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles.
>>> Sounds like fun, eh?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Does anyone know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In 2005 I moved from FL to NC and changed my domicile to NC (new driver
license, registered to vote, etc).   Previously, I had been a FL resident
since 1981.  

So, was I a registered voter in two states at the same time?  How does the
abandoned FL registration get cancelled?  Does the gaining state inform the
losing state to cancel voter registration when you register in a new state?
NC cancels voting registration after some number of years if you haven't
voted during that time; is that typical of all states?

Just how common is voter registration in multiple states?  Is it inevitable
if you change domicile?

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:05 PM

> ... is registered to vote in two states...


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Put a 240D badge on the front door, get Dimitri to drive down with his
welding kit and he will take care of everything so it's stronger than new.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I
> would open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not crawling
> back and forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they used that crappy
> particle board type crap. If it was not rotten then yes that would make it
> easier. The wife thinks that doing the pergo flooring in that room only
> would look stupid. I'm not sure if I agree or not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And replace the sill plate as needed.   Got a contractor friend who will
> inspect the work and put it under his E & O Ins for a fee?   THat would
> shift the liability.   Or set up a C corp with your BIL or some such, hire
> the corp to do the work.  (You work for the corp.) Get estimates, bills and
> receipts form the corp.  As soon as the house is sold, dissolve the corp.
> >
> > If that crap chipboard floor was not rotted, you could just jack up the
> joist, put a sill inder like you did, make concrete piers to support a
> permanent Sill, (beam) replace the sill plate and you'd be good.
> >
> > Can you replace 2-4 tiles around the edge of the room with a contrasting
> tile so you son't need to rip out all the tile?  But as someone (Mitch?)
> said, the tile should have concrete backer board underneath.
> >
> > I did a room with tile for 3' on 3 sides, then put carpet in the
> center.  That way there was no seam in the carpet.  I didn't want to sew a
> carpet seam.
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> >> January 25, 2017 at 8:05 PM
> >> Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted
> subfloor and replace.
> >> Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles.
> >> Sounds like fun, eh?
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Another CL Scam?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Might be legit, although 1) repalcement radio and 2) where's the badge?
Could be a 250 SEC.  Still, I would not kick her out of bed.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Mitch,
>
> Check this one out:
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5955434064.html
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well it would be a decent sized area I would need to replace because I would 
open the floor up big enough for me to work in. I am not crawling back and 
forth under the house. Yes I do not know why they used that crappy particle 
board type crap. If it was not rotten then yes that would make it easier. The 
wife thinks that doing the pergo flooring in that room only would look stupid. 
I'm not sure if I agree or not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And replace the sill plate as needed.   Got a contractor friend who will 
> inspect the work and put it under his E & O Ins for a fee?   THat would shift 
> the liability.   Or set up a C corp with your BIL or some such, hire the corp 
> to do the work.  (You work for the corp.) Get estimates, bills and receipts 
> form the corp.  As soon as the house is sold, dissolve the corp.
> 
> If that crap chipboard floor was not rotted, you could just jack up the 
> joist, put a sill inder like you did, make concrete piers to support a 
> permanent Sill, (beam) replace the sill plate and you'd be good.
> 
> Can you replace 2-4 tiles around the edge of the room with a contrasting tile 
> so you son't need to rip out all the tile?  But as someone (Mitch?) said, the 
> tile should have concrete backer board underneath.
> 
> I did a room with tile for 3' on 3 sides, then put carpet in the center.  
> That way there was no seam in the carpet.  I didn't want to sew a carpet seam.
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2017 at 8:05 PM
>> Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted subfloor and 
>> replace.
>> Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles.
>> Sounds like fun, eh?
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the pergo will go down a lot faster.   If you can find it on sale, it 
may be cheaper than tile.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 25, 2017 at 8:14 PM
See doesn't seem too hard to me.

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And replace the sill plate as needed.   Got a contractor friend who will 
inspect the work and put it under his E & O Ins for a fee?   THat would 
shift the liability.   Or set up a C corp with your BIL or some such, 
hire the corp to do the work.  (You work for the corp.) Get estimates, 
bills and receipts form the corp.  As soon as the house is sold, 
dissolve the corp.


If that crap chipboard floor was not rotted, you could just jack up the 
joist, put a sill inder like you did, make concrete piers to support a 
permanent Sill, (beam) replace the sill plate and you'd be good.


Can you replace 2-4 tiles around the edge of the room with a contrasting 
tile so you son't need to rip out all the tile?  But as someone (Mitch?) 
said, the tile should have concrete backer board underneath.


I did a room with tile for 3' on 3 sides, then put carpet in the 
center.  That way there was no seam in the carpet.  I didn't want to sew 
a carpet seam.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 25, 2017 at 8:05 PM
Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted 
subfloor and replace.

Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles.
Sounds like fun, eh?

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

See doesn't seem too hard to me. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:05 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted subfloor and 
> replace. 
> Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles. 
> Sounds like fun, eh?
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On January 25, 2017 at 8:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Now tell me how to fix my floor.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't get inspections when I buy.  Waste of time and money and an 
>>> inspection contingency makes your offer less competitive in a hot market. 
>>> Also a lot of times, inspectors are less knowledgeable than I. If it has 
>>> structural issues I can see them and just budget that in. If electrical etc 
>>> is shoddy I again budget that in.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame 
 on Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his 
 wife was/is a realtor.
 
 In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and 
 in hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard 
 lesson to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been 
 crazy when we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we 
 would have been in a real pickle.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
> Snook?
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> 
>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>> 
>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Jack it up, replace rotted joists, set it level, rip out rotted subfloor and 
replace. 
Then put down proper underlayment and redo tiles. 
Sounds like fun, eh?

Mitch. 

> On January 25, 2017 at 8:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Now tell me how to fix my floor.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I don't get inspections when I buy.  Waste of time and money and an 
> > inspection contingency makes your offer less competitive in a hot market. 
> > Also a lot of times, inspectors are less knowledgeable than I. If it has 
> > structural issues I can see them and just budget that in. If electrical etc 
> > is shoddy I again budget that in.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame 
> >> on Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his 
> >> wife was/is a realtor.
> >> 
> >> In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and 
> >> in hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard 
> >> lesson to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been 
> >> crazy when we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we 
> >> would have been in a real pickle.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
> >>> Snook?
> >>> 
>  Craig via Mercedes 
>  January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>  On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  
>  Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>  
>  Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[clay via Mercedes]

I like having the learning curve begin in the PnP so that I do not make a mess 
of my own car.  I learn a bunch about all the silly and secret ways the cars 
are built

clay

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey, it's a one time learning experience. Bust all the tabs off the top edge 
> of the door panel once and you'll never do it again...
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Or damage them while trying to do so . . . .
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 25/01/2017 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Also forces you to learn how to non-destructively remove door panels, too!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
 Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
 yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!
 
 On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 
> Oooo!  Door check for under $10
> 
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[clay via Mercedes]

We have become Apostates, Infidels, Heretics!  If we do not drink the Kool-Aid, 
we are to be hunted down and eliminated.

I liked it better when the whack jobs just flew down to some South American 
Banana republic and thought their weird thoughts in the jungle until they could 
no longer live with reality and died

clay


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You might be right.
> 
> The thing that bothers me the most I guess is that I have various friends who 
> span the spectrum from fairly far left to fairly far right.  I like them all 
> for various reasons, and it seems that until recently we have all gotten 
> along fairly well despite our political views or lack thereof.  We just had a 
> basic respect for one another and could discuss these things somewhat 
> academically, a bit of give and take, discussing facts of matters, 
> good-natured criticism I guess but nothing that said "you are an idiot" or 
> "you are a bad person."  But that is where it is now and I just don't get it. 
>  Seems like the emotion is at a huge high on certain political matters (and 
> it is not that many specific ones) and it overrides anything else that is of 
> value, like the bases for friendships.
> 
> I am now apparently a racist bigot sexist homophobic xenophobic misogynist 
> environmental destroyer climate denier trumpster POS (and whatever else is 
> eevil) that is due absolutely no respect or consideration, even though 
> yesterday morning we were good friends discussing important personal matters 
> in a caring considerate way.  I did nothing in the intervening time so I just 
> don't understand.  Maybe it says something about my selection of particular 
> friends, but damn they sure fooled me.  Or maybe they are just batsh*t crazy, 
> and I never knew, and something mysterious triggered it, and it is good to be 
> rid of them even though it hurts for now.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 1/25/17 12:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a lot of 
>>> things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a non-partisan 
>>> sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  Are those still 
>>> allowed?
>>> 
>>> I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect to my 
>>> friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as I have not 
>>> been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with them as I realize 
>>> it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their views might be and 
>>> wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly at this point I don't 
>>> really care anymore about having or expressing views to/with them as any 
>>> views matter naught in the scheme of things) differ on various political 
>>> opinions, that some of them, whom I thought to be good close friends, have 
>>> labeled me as their opponent or enemy or something, based on nothing in 
>>> particular that I can understand, because they "think" I might have an 
>>> opinion that differs from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and at the same 
>>> time quite hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our friendships 
>>> now.  These fantasies have eradicated whatever other feelings or basis for 
>>> friendship that we had with each other. Poof, gone.  I guess maybe the 
>>> friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a few 
>>> square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it all for 
>>> some time.
>>> 
>>> I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing us so 
>>> effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to blame.  It 
>>> really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down soon.  I hope so.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>> 
>> It is brainwashing. I am not sure who is at fault but I suspect the press is 
>> primarily to blame. Maybe the educators? The young (those younger than me?) 
>> have these nice liberal arts educations where they have been taught to think 
>> the right things by the liberal academeics. This has filtered down into the 
>> lower schools as most of the teachers have liberal arts degrees as well. 
>> They have all been convinced that the politically correct views expressed 
>> from above are beyond reproach. Anyone who does not think like them is bad. 
>> One cannot express an opinion anymore unless one supports the politically 
>> correct program. We must not discriminate against all of the oddballs but in 
>> so doing, we descriminate against the basic average normal people who work 
>> hard and pay for the system that now works to oppress them. The politicians 
>> are just as bad as the press if not worse. They are afraid to stand up for 
>> what is right because they fear being ridiculed by the press. Many of the 
>> politicians now are young enough 

Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[clay via Mercedes]

It is the result of a loss of religion.  Since there is no longer any loyalty 
to a “God” with servants upon the earth to force them to follow the path of the 
Grand Mufti, Wizard, prophet, the only thing left is to follow liberal thought 
patterns as inculcated by edjumakators.These teachers are not that bright 
themselves, since they find employment in education to be a viable career 
instead of making money.  Being divorced from reality, they can pontificate on 
things they really do not know much about.   The recent batch of public school 
teachers are a sorry bunch.  Young and uninformed, but willing to buy into mass 
media truths.   Much like the young waitperson who Randy came across.

There must have been some catastrophic event after 1945 that scared the crap 
out of the children of the time.  The baby boomers rebelled in the late ‘60s, 
then developed severe white guilt about everything.  Could it be the excessive 
Duck and Cover that turned these folks into pansy men?   We no longer tolerate 
the demise of people in the execution of grand ventures.  Wars are not grand 
Ventures, but infrastructure, exploration on earth or space, anything that 
makes civilization move forward.  That is where we have stepped back from the 
line.  Now it all needs to be no risk, so no rewards.


clay 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a lot of 
>> things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a non-partisan 
>> sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  Are those still 
>> allowed?
>> 
>> I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect to my 
>> friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as I have not 
>> been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with them as I realize 
>> it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their views might be and 
>> wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly at this point I don't 
>> really care anymore about having or expressing views to/with them as any 
>> views matter naught in the scheme of things) differ on various political 
>> opinions, that some of them, whom I thought to be good close friends, have 
>> labeled me as their opponent or enemy or something, based on nothing in 
>> particular that I can understand, because they "think" I might have an 
>> opinion that differs from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and at the same 
>> time quite hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our friendships now. 
>>  These fantasies have eradicated whatever other feelings or basis for 
>> friendship that we had with each other.  Poof, gone.  I guess maybe the 
>> friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.
>> 
>> I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a few 
>> square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it all for some 
>> time.
>> 
>> I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing us so 
>> effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to blame.  It 
>> really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down soon.  I hope so.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
> 
> It is brainwashing. I am not sure who is at fault but I suspect the press is 
> primarily to blame. Maybe the educators? The young (those younger than me?) 
> have these nice liberal arts educations where they have been taught to think 
> the right things by the liberal academeics. This has filtered down into the 
> lower schools as most of the teachers have liberal arts degrees as well. They 
> have all been convinced that the politically correct views expressed from 
> above are beyond reproach. Anyone who does not think like them is bad. One 
> cannot express an opinion anymore unless one supports the politically correct 
> program. We must not discriminate against all of the oddballs but in so 
> doing, we descriminate against the basic average normal people who work hard 
> and pay for the system that now works to oppress them. The politicians are 
> just as bad as the press if not worse. They are afraid to stand up for what 
> is right because they fear being ridiculed by the press. Many of the 
> politicians now are young enough to have been taught the politically correct 
> agenda in the schools as well.
> 
> I can provide a recent example of what I am trying to express. My wife and I 
> had lunch at a cafe on Sunday. The waitress was a nice young lady - likely in 
> her early 20's. A bit of chit chat occured with her and in this area, in 
> winter, 

Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Get a crane, pick up house, replace rotten wood.

Or maybe that guy the Rich mentioned, Spanish fellow, Fuego something?  He 
could probably fix you right up.
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On January 25, 2017 8:02:36 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Now tell me how to fix my floor.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't get inspections when I buy.  Waste of time and money and an
>inspection contingency makes your offer less competitive in a hot
>market. Also a lot of times, inspectors are less knowledgeable than I.
>If it has structural issues I can see them and just budget that in. If
>electrical etc is shoddy I again budget that in.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And
>shame on Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so
>since his wife was/is a realtor.
>>> 
>>> In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an
>inspection and in hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have
>bought it.  Hard lesson to learn but one we never ignored again.  If
>the market hadn’t been crazy when we sold and me having had the ability
>to do all the repairs we would have been in a real pickle.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
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> wrote:
 
 I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.   
>Where's Snook?
 
> Craig via Mercedes 
> January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> 
> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
> 
> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Now tell me how to fix my floor.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't get inspections when I buy.  Waste of time and money and an 
> inspection contingency makes your offer less competitive in a hot market. 
> Also a lot of times, inspectors are less knowledgeable than I. If it has 
> structural issues I can see them and just budget that in. If electrical etc 
> is shoddy I again budget that in.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame 
>> on Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his 
>> wife was/is a realtor.
>> 
>> In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and in 
>> hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard 
>> lesson to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been 
>> crazy when we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we 
>> would have been in a real pickle.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
>>> Snook?
>>> 
 Craig via Mercedes 
 January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
 On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 
 Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
 
 Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

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On January 25, 2017 7:59:51 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What state or county was the subject of a voting rights suit over their
>practice of 
>deleting voters from the rolls after not voting in X number of
>consecutive elections?
>Was it in Indiana?
>
>Mitch. 
>
>
>> On January 25, 2017 at 3:32 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Are you supposed to "unregister" in a state before you register in
>another state? How do you do that?
>> I never "unregistered" from Maine when I moved to MA so I'm sure for
>awhile I was registered in two states. I wonder if theres some way to
>check that. I haven't voted in Maine since the '90s, surely they've
>purged me from the rolls since then.
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What state or county was the subject of a voting rights suit over their 
practice of 
deleting voters from the rolls after not voting in X number of consecutive 
elections?
Was it in Indiana?

Mitch. 


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> 
> 
> Are you supposed to "unregister" in a state before you register in another 
> state? How do you do that?
> I never "unregistered" from Maine when I moved to MA so I'm sure for awhile I 
> was registered in two states. I wonder if theres some way to check that. I 
> haven't voted in Maine since the '90s, surely they've purged me from the 
> rolls since then.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I don't get inspections when I buy.  Waste of time and money and an inspection 
contingency makes your offer less competitive in a hot market. Also a lot of 
times, inspectors are less knowledgeable than I. If it has structural issues I 
can see them and just budget that in. If electrical etc is shoddy I again 
budget that in.

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame on 
> Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his wife 
> was/is a realtor.
> 
> In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and in 
> hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard lesson 
> to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been crazy 
> when we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we would 
> have been in a real pickle.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
>> Snook?
>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes 
>>> January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>>> 
>>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

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Well we were young and dumb then and I don't think our realtor even mentioned 
it. Wife became a realtor after this. The house we bought a couple of years ago 
I did not pay for an inspector other than a termite inspection. I did my own 
inspections. Afterward I have found a few things here and there I missed but 
probably would not have made any difference anyway. Yes I probably should have 
paid the $5-600 to get a full blown inspection. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame on 
> Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his wife 
> was/is a realtor.
> 
> In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and in 
> hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard lesson 
> to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been crazy 
> when we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we would 
> have been in a real pickle.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
>> Snook?
>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes 
>>> January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>>> 
>>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

All of this is disclosed on the disclosure form with the listing actually. 
Basically the way it works here is any defects or damage that are known must be 
disclosed on the disclosure form that all realtors can access currently. If 
somebody makes an offer they put x amount of dollars for repairs. We then 
either accept that amount for repairs or not. If contract is accepted buyer has 
10 days to do inspections if they do choose. If inspections turns up anything 
buyers submit a request for repairs. Seller then repairs or gets quotes and if 
repairs are up to repair amount in contract seller must repair. If repairs 
exceed this amount the seller can go ahead and pay the overage, buyer can pay 
the overage, or buyer can bail and get their earnest money back. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with most of what you say, however, when you’re talking about a house 
> and the potential liability of an improper repair that could come back and 
> bite you (if not discovered prior to the sale) it’s cheaper in my mind to 
> shift the liability to someone else.
> 
> And, if you don’t disclose it at the time of sale and an inspection reveals 
> it, you may have a big (legal) problem on your hands.  Your wife is a realtor 
> or held a realtor’s license.  She should know all about disclosure and the 
> risks involved.
> 
> Taken directly from Oklahoma Title 60, O.S. Section 831 et seq.:
> 
> Definition:  “Defect” means a condition, malfunction or problem that would 
> have a materially adverse effect on the monetary value of the property, or 
> that would impair the health or safety of future occupants of the property; 
> 
> And;
> 
> Section 837. Remedies:  “The sole and exclusive civil remedy at common law or 
> otherwise for a failure under subsection a of this section by the seller or 
> the real estate licensee shall be an action for actual damages, including the 
> cost of repairing the defect suffered by the purchaser as a result of a 
> defect existing in the property as of the date of acceptance by the seller of 
> an offer to purchase and shall not include the remedy of exemplary damages.
> 
> c. any action brought under this act shall be commenced within two (2) years 
> after the date of transfer of real property subject to this act.
> 
> d. in any civil action brought under this act, the prevailing party shall be 
> allowed court costs and a reasonable attorney fee to be set by the court and 
> to be collected as costs.”
> 
> So if you half-ass it and the buyers find out, they have two years to come 
> after you.  You’ll pay all of their litigation costs when the dust settles, 
> too.
> 
> I’m just sayin'….
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No I did not. I was naive at the time and we were pretty much steered toward 
>> that house by our realtor. This realtors coworker at the same real estate 
>> office was the listing agent and her uncle was the bank president who owned 
>> it. So we were pretty much funneled to it. Whatever. I still don't think 
>> this can be that complicated of a repair. If I took the advice of leaving 
>> things up to the pros I wouldn't do half the jobs I have on cars or 
>> otherwise. Hell I tackled major home wiring after a short education from 
>> Curley.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Man, I hate to say this, but I would leave this to a professional since
 it’s a structural issue.  If you get a home inspector in there for a
 potential buyer and they find repairs that are structural in nature
 that haven’t been done properly, they’re going to bolt and in a big
 hurry.  Then you have it on record that there are structural issues.
 Makes it all the more difficult to market/sell.
 
 What’s the alternative?  “Fixer-upper?"
>>> 
>>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>>> 
>>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well the problem is that bank is out of business. That is on the buyer anyway 
as buyers have a certain amount of time after contract executed to do 
inspections and request repairs or bail on contract. Linoleum is a no go. This 
is a higher end house is a high end neighborhood. This pergo flooring thing 
would be the only remotely viable solution other than tile. 

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I put a tile floor in our kitchen, HARD hard work on your knees all day (and 
> yes there should have been cement backer-board under all that tile) so be 
> warned.  I think linoleum would be a better choice, slap that down and let 
> the new owners put down tile or whatever.
> 
> Talk to a lawyer about suing the bank that sold you that dump.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably too late to go after them, based on what the law says.  And shame on 
Kaleb for buying a house without an inspection.  Even more so since his wife 
was/is a realtor.

In fairness, however, we bought our first house without an inspection and in 
hindsight had we had it inspected we would never have bought it.  Hard lesson 
to learn but one we never ignored again.  If the market hadn’t been crazy when 
we sold and me having had the ability to do all the repairs we would have been 
in a real pickle.

-D


> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.Where's 
> Snook?
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> 
>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>> 
>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I agree with most of what you say, however, when you’re talking about a house 
and the potential liability of an improper repair that could come back and bite 
you (if not discovered prior to the sale) it’s cheaper in my mind to shift the 
liability to someone else.

And, if you don’t disclose it at the time of sale and an inspection reveals it, 
you may have a big (legal) problem on your hands.  Your wife is a realtor or 
held a realtor’s license.  She should know all about disclosure and the risks 
involved.

Taken directly from Oklahoma Title 60, O.S. Section 831 et seq.:

Definition:  “Defect” means a condition, malfunction or problem that would have 
a materially adverse effect on the monetary value of the property, or that 
would impair the health or safety of future occupants of the property; 

And;

Section 837. Remedies:  “The sole and exclusive civil remedy at common law or 
otherwise for a failure under subsection a of this section by the seller or the 
real estate licensee shall be an action for actual damages, including the cost 
of repairing the defect suffered by the purchaser as a result of a defect 
existing in the property as of the date of acceptance by the seller of an offer 
to purchase and shall not include the remedy of exemplary damages.

c. any action brought under this act shall be commenced within two (2) years 
after the date of transfer of real property subject to this act.

d. in any civil action brought under this act, the prevailing party shall be 
allowed court costs and a reasonable attorney fee to be set by the court and to 
be collected as costs.”

So if you half-ass it and the buyers find out, they have two years to come 
after you.  You’ll pay all of their litigation costs when the dust settles, too.

I’m just sayin'….




> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No I did not. I was naive at the time and we were pretty much steered toward 
> that house by our realtor. This realtors coworker at the same real estate 
> office was the listing agent and her uncle was the bank president who owned 
> it. So we were pretty much funneled to it. Whatever. I still don't think this 
> can be that complicated of a repair. If I took the advice of leaving things 
> up to the pros I wouldn't do half the jobs I have on cars or otherwise. Hell 
> I tackled major home wiring after a short education from Curley.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Man, I hate to say this, but I would leave this to a professional since
>>> it’s a structural issue.  If you get a home inspector in there for a
>>> potential buyer and they find repairs that are structural in nature
>>> that haven’t been done properly, they’re going to bolt and in a big
>>> hurry.  Then you have it on record that there are structural issues.
>>> Makes it all the more difficult to market/sell.
>>> 
>>> What’s the alternative?  “Fixer-upper?"
>> 
>> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
>> 
>> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was wondering if the bank and or their contractor is liable.
Where's Snook?



Craig via Mercedes 
January 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?

Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I put a tile floor in our kitchen, HARD hard work on your knees all day (and 
yes there should have been cement backer-board under all that tile) so be 
warned.  I think linoleum would be a better choice, slap that down and let the 
new owners put down tile or whatever.

Talk to a lawyer about suing the bank that sold you that dump.
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Goodies for bringing your interior back

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Thanks!  that is good to know!


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January 25, 2017 at 6:15 PM
http://www.perfectfit.com

I was looking for local seat repair goodness and came across this 
site. It offers all manner of upholstery repair or replacement items, 
as well as door card material and more.


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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No I did not. I was naive at the time and we were pretty much steered toward 
that house by our realtor. This realtors coworker at the same real estate 
office was the listing agent and her uncle was the bank president who owned it. 
So we were pretty much funneled to it. Whatever. I still don't think this can 
be that complicated of a repair. If I took the advice of leaving things up to 
the pros I wouldn't do half the jobs I have on cars or otherwise. Hell I 
tackled major home wiring after a short education from Curley.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Man, I hate to say this, but I would leave this to a professional since
>> it’s a structural issue.  If you get a home inspector in there for a
>> potential buyer and they find repairs that are structural in nature
>> that haven’t been done properly, they’re going to bolt and in a big
>> hurry.  Then you have it on record that there are structural issues.
>> Makes it all the more difficult to market/sell.
>> 
>> What’s the alternative?  “Fixer-upper?"
> 
> Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?
> 
> Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:16:38 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Man, I hate to say this, but I would leave this to a professional since
> it’s a structural issue.  If you get a home inspector in there for a
> potential buyer and they find repairs that are structural in nature
> that haven’t been done properly, they’re going to bolt and in a big
> hurry.  Then you have it on record that there are structural issues.
> Makes it all the more difficult to market/sell.
> 
> What’s the alternative?  “Fixer-upper?"

Is not the one who sold to Kaleb liable for deception?

Did he have an inspector look at the house before he bought it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fixing floors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Man, I hate to say this, but I would leave this to a professional since it’s a 
structural issue.  If you get a home inspector in there for a potential buyer 
and they find repairs that are structural in nature that haven’t been done 
properly, they’re going to bolt and in a big hurry.  Then you have it on record 
that there are structural issues.  Makes it all the more difficult to 
market/sell.

What’s the alternative?  “Fixer-upper?"

Just my $0.02.





> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here are the photos of the rotting area and my temp fix
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So this involves the rent house from hell that has been empty for over 3 
>> months now trying to get it rented or sold.  This house was built in 2002 
>> but the builder was foreclosed on.  House sat without any windows or doors 
>> for probably a year or 2 until the bank came in and finished it, and it was 
>> then sold to us as new contruction, although we were unaware of all this at 
>> the time of purchase.  About 5 years ago the dog was walking out the front 
>> door and his leg literally broke thru a ceramic tile at the front door.  I 
>> then discovered lots of wood rot in this area by the front door and also 
>> termites.  We had the termites taken care of and there are none now but a 
>> lot of the wood rot was not termites but rather wood rot from it being wet 
>> from when no doors or windows were on the house.  There was part of the 
>> plywood rotted, and the header plate or whatever you call it was rotted out 
>> as well directly under the front door.  This plate runs parallel to the 
>> floor joists. I had a buddy of mine come in and cut out a section of the 
>> flooring after pulling up the ceramic tile in the entry, cut out that 
>> section of the header board and installed a new piece, then replaced the 
>> plywood and we put new tile in the entry area.  There is currently some wood 
>> rot of various degrees all along the front of the house in this header plate 
>> mainly under where the windows are but this was the worse area at the time.  
>> So after the renters moved out I discovered the corner of the floor in the 
>> kitchen dining area is sagging starting in corner next to where the window 
>> is, and extends along the wall running a 90 degree angle from the front of 
>> the house.  So I get under and discover a significant amount of wood rot in 
>> that corner. Basically the header plate is completely rotted out.  The 
>> difference this time is the floor joist mount to this plate so they are 
>> basically not supported and the floor is sagging.  As a temp fix I jacked up 
>> the floor and added supports just back from the stem wall to take the 
>> pressure off of the failing header plate.  We have had a few showings of the 
>> house for both renters or potential buyers and nobody has said anything 
>> about the floor but we did have a couple look at it yesterday and mentioned 
>> the floor as it still has a little bit of sag in that corner, but mainly is 
>> noticable because a small piece of tile in the corner is broke off and 
>> dropped down a bit because that small area has no support as the plywood 
>> under the tile is rotted as well.  We have disclosed to realtors who are 
>> showing the house to their clients of this issue and they can put in any 
>> offer for it to be repaired and we would repair it at closing, which is 
>> common.  I am now thinking I need to just go ahead and repair it.  We got a 
>> quote a while back but quite frankly with this house sitting empty funds are 
>> not available to pay a contractor.  Otherwise I probably would.
>> 
>> 
>> So this can't be rocket science and I don't think its anymore complicated 
>> than many of the repairs I have done on vehicles, it is just I work on cars 
>> and have not gotten into major wood work before. So I am thinking what I 
>> need to do is pull the tile up, cut out a section of the flooring and can 
>> work from inside the house instead of crawling back and forth under the 
>> house.  I would need to sawsall off the ends of the floor joists, then start 
>> removing that header plate, cut to fit a new section and jam it into place, 
>> then sister in new floor joist sections to connect back to the header plate. 
>>  One of the big problems though is the ceramic tile.  While it appears it 
>> would be a common color that could be matched, we found we could not when we 
>> did the entry hall.  This tile is in this kitchen eating area, the kitchen, 
>> and the adjoining formal dining room.  So we would either have to do 
>> something with a different color of tile that appears to sort of separate 
>> off this area from the kitchen and formal dining, or ALL the tile will have 
>> to be replaced, and it is a LOT of tile.  I had also thought about replacing 

[MBZ] Goodies for bringing your interior back

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http://www.perfectfit.com

I was looking for local seat repair goodness and came across this site.  It 
offers all manner of upholstery repair or replacement items, as well as door 
card material and more.

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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Keeping out old cars alive, is indeed "The American WAY!"

Hear Here! !!!   Another pearl of wisdom from Herr Mann!


G Mann via Mercedes 
January 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM
I would like to take this just one step further and still keep it strictly
Mercedes, old school, DIY. Which is, I believe, the foundation basis for
this group of old Mercedes drivers/fixers.

We struggle, as a group to survive, and keep our "old Mercedes" on the
road, safe to operate. We do that because of a driving element of
personality which says  "I can do that, I can fix it, I own the
problem, it's mine to do with as I wish."

The political elements who have been in power, in our government, in our
schools, and universities, are in stated principles, precisely opposite of
that driving principle which drives us individually, as a group. In
essence, the core element of having a "Mercedes Group" to discuss how we
"do stuff".

I believe, there is a very thin line between those who socially say, 'you
can't do that", "someone or something else has to do that for you." and We
few who say.. "get out of my way while I do it, watch me."

We grouse about parts prices, and lack of them at any price.. yet we keep
the old Mercedes alive for decades, because we "believe we can"..

Sort of the "American Way" in a nut shell.. IMO

Grant...



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[MBZ] Fixing floors

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So this involves the rent house from hell that has been empty for 
over 3 months now trying to get it rented or sold.  This house was 
built in 2002 but the builder was foreclosed on.  House sat 
without any windows or doors for probably a year or 2 until the 
bank came in and finished it, and it was then sold to us as new 
contruction, although we were unaware of all this at the time of 
purchase.  About 5 years ago the dog was walking out the front 
door and his leg literally broke thru a ceramic tile at the front 
door.  I then discovered lots of wood rot in this area by the 
front door and also termites.  We had the termites taken care of 
and there are none now but a lot of the wood rot was not termites 
but rather wood rot from it being wet from when no doors or 
windows were on the house.  There was part of the plywood rotted, 
and the header plate or whatever you call it was rotted out as 
well directly under the front door.  This plate runs parallel to 
the floor joists. I had a buddy of mine come in and cut out a 
section of the flooring after pulling up the ceramic tile in the 
entry, cut out that section of the header board and installed a 
new piece, then replaced the plywood and we put new tile in the 
entry area.  There is currently some wood rot of various degrees 
all along the front of the house in this header plate mainly under 
where the windows are but this was the worse area at the time.  So 
after the renters moved out I discovered the corner of the floor 
in the kitchen dining area is sagging starting in corner next to 
where the window is, and extends along the wall running a 90 
degree angle from the front of the house.  So I get under and 
discover a significant amount of wood rot in that corner. 
Basically the header plate is completely rotted out.  The 
difference this time is the floor joist mount to this plate so 
they are basically not supported and the floor is sagging.  As a 
temp fix I jacked up the floor and added supports just back from 
the stem wall to take the pressure off of the failing header 
plate.  We have had a few showings of the house for both renters 
or potential buyers and nobody has said anything about the floor 
but we did have a couple look at it yesterday and mentioned the 
floor as it still has a little bit of sag in that corner, but 
mainly is noticable because a small piece of tile in the corner is 
broke off and dropped down a bit because that small area has no 
support as the plywood under the tile is rotted as well.  We have 
disclosed to realtors who are showing the house to their clients 
of this issue and they can put in any offer for it to be repaired 
and we would repair it at closing, which is common.  I am now 
thinking I need to just go ahead and repair it.  We got a quote a 
while back but quite frankly with this house sitting empty funds 
are not available to pay a contractor.  Otherwise I probably would.



So this can't be rocket science and I don't think its anymore 
complicated than many of the repairs I have done on vehicles, it 
is just I work on cars and have not gotten into major wood work 
before. So I am thinking what I need to do is pull the tile up, 
cut out a section of the flooring and can work from inside the 
house instead of crawling back and forth under the house.  I would 
need to sawsall off the ends of the floor joists, then start 
removing that header plate, cut to fit a new section and jam it 
into place, then sister in new floor joist sections to connect 
back to the header plate.  One of the big problems though is the 
ceramic tile.  While it appears it would be a common color that 
could be matched, we found we could not when we did the entry 
hall.  This tile is in this kitchen eating area, the kitchen, and 
the adjoining formal dining room.  So we would either have to do 
something with a different color of tile that appears to sort of 
separate off this area from the kitchen and formal dining, or ALL 
the tile will have to be replaced, and it is a LOT of tile.  I had 
also thought about replacing the tile in this area with that 
laminate hardwood floor stuff and making the kitchen dining area 
this, but I am not sure if that would look stupid or not.  We also 
have this same tile in the bathrooms and the laundry room and have 
several tiles in other areas of the house that are cracked.  I am 
not really sure it was a good idea to install ceramic tile over 
crawl space, they just installed it directly onto the subfloor.  I 
am thinking you are supposed to use some sort of backer board 
between the tile and plywood subfloor but not sure.



Anyway, long post, anybody BTDT?  Anybody want to come down and 
help me with this project in exchange for parts, cars, whatever? I 
am sending some photos I took from under the house in a minute.



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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Are what?  SOBs?  Politically naïve?

None of the above.
Pure and simple a compliment to you Andrew.  While you tease out
culture commentary you and me both DIY = cool!  Thank you, Andrew.
...and that contrasts to --FT neighborhood.  Sorry to hear
neighborhood polarization such as --FT expresses.
tin-man

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Re: [MBZ] Monark Nozzle Source

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just ordered a set for my 300D from the eBay guy and it shipped already.  
Here’s his store listing. Lots of interesting diesel stuff - the old “mushroom” 
style primer pump for $8.50!

http://stores.ebay.com/PUZI-S-SHOP?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

I think Kaleb looked at his listings and said he had nozzles for later 
injectors?

Dan



> On Jan 25, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Found this source in Der Fatherland:
> 
> http://www.technikexpert.net/monark-039305176-duese-mdn-0-sd-314.html
> 
> Given the current exchange rate, looks like price before shipping is about
> $133 or so
> 
> I bought Monark nozzles for my '95 sedan from these guys, I had to wait
> awhile for them to fill the order, but they did eventually ship them.  No
> complaints so far with the nozzles.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Another CL Scam?

[Daniel Penoff via Mercedes]

Mitch,

Check this one out:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5955434064.html

Dan

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[MBZ] OT but NOT political

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Andrew, 
My daughter still gets mail from businesses, state, and local government about 
many things. BUT she hasn't lived at home in over 15 years while living in two 
other states. I think this 2 state voter registration issue says more about the 
states needs to verify and clean up their voter lists than anything else. 
Having questionable voter lists encourages voter fraud as much as not requiring 
a voter ID. 
Just a thought on this issue... 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Monark Nozzle Source

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Found this source in Der Fatherland:

http://www.technikexpert.net/monark-039305176-duese-mdn-0-sd-314.html

Given the current exchange rate, looks like price before shipping is about
$133 or so

I bought Monark nozzles for my '95 sedan from these guys, I had to wait
awhile for them to fill the order, but they did eventually ship them.  No
complaints so far with the nozzles.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

There is always Banned. Banned Lite still exists too. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] ACME

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 14:04:59 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So, is "anti-matter" the same or similar to, "it doesn't matter"?
> 
> RB

Not even close.


Craig

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[MBZ] CLOSED - Re: OT but NOT political

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Close this thread folks. Enough.

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 3:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So is Steve Bannon  - -  Trump did warn us that the election was rigged -
> he just didn't say which way.
> 
> (claps hands over mouth/keyboard after banned speech on the list.)
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!
>> 
>> "Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is
>> registered to vote in two states
>> > voter-registration/index.html>,
>> a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
>> New York and California show.
>> While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
>> to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
>> president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
>> citizens are registered to vote in two states."
>> 
>> Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally refute
>> this allegation.
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

[OK Don via Mercedes]

So is Steve Bannon  - -  Trump did warn us that the election was rigged -
he just didn't say which way.

(claps hands over mouth/keyboard after banned speech on the list.)

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!
>
> "Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is
> registered to vote in two states
>  voter-registration/index.html>,
> a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
> New York and California show.
> While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
> to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
> president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
> citizens are registered to vote in two states."
>
> Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally refute
> this allegation.
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Are you supposed to "unregister" in a state before you register in another 
state? How do you do that?
I never "unregistered" from Maine when I moved to MA so I'm sure for awhile I 
was registered in two states. I wonder if theres some way to check that. I 
haven't voted in Maine since the '90s, surely they've purged me from the rolls 
since then.
-Curt

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:04 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT but NOT political
   
Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!

"Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is
registered to vote in two states
,
a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
New York and California show.
While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
citizens are registered to vote in two states."

Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally refute
this allegation.
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The difference is that it is more theoretical and does not mention any 
specific names etc.

No one is likely to be offended.

RB

On 25/01/2017 2:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

How refreshing - a political statement that slipped through the censors.
ATTABOY!

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


I would like to take this just one step further and still keep it strictly
Mercedes, old school, DIY. Which is, I believe, the foundation basis for
this group of old Mercedes drivers/fixers.

We struggle, as a group to survive, and keep our "old Mercedes" on the
road, safe to operate. We do that because of a driving element of
personality which says  "I can do that, I can fix it, I own the
problem, it's mine to do with as I wish."

The political elements who have been in power, in our government, in our
schools, and universities, are in stated principles, precisely opposite of
that driving principle which drives us individually, as a group. In
essence, the core element of having a "Mercedes Group" to discuss how we
"do stuff".

I believe, there is a very thin line between those who socially say, 'you
can't do that", "someone or something else has to do that for you." and We
few who say.. "get out of my way while I do it, watch me."

We grouse about parts prices, and lack of them at any price.. yet we keep
the old Mercedes alive for decades, because we "believe we can"..

Sort of the "American Way" in a nut shell.. IMO

Grant...




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Re: [MBZ] ACME

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They have other outlets in other cities as well. A pirate store, magic store, 
time travel store, etc., and it's a great cause, too.

Www.826national.org

Dan

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's too funny.  My favorite: Doom, and Gloom, in 1 gallon cans.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> A quart of antimatter, anyone?
>> 
>> https://www.superherosupplies.com/collections/superpowers
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How refreshing - a political statement that slipped through the censors.
ATTABOY!

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I would like to take this just one step further and still keep it strictly
> Mercedes, old school, DIY. Which is, I believe, the foundation basis for
> this group of old Mercedes drivers/fixers.
>
> We struggle, as a group to survive, and keep our "old Mercedes" on the
> road, safe to operate. We do that because of a driving element of
> personality which says  "I can do that, I can fix it, I own the
> problem, it's mine to do with as I wish."
>
> The political elements who have been in power, in our government, in our
> schools, and universities, are in stated principles, precisely opposite of
> that driving principle which drives us individually, as a group. In
> essence, the core element of having a "Mercedes Group" to discuss how we
> "do stuff".
>
> I believe, there is a very thin line between those who socially say, 'you
> can't do that", "someone or something else has to do that for you." and We
> few who say.. "get out of my way while I do it, watch me."
>
> We grouse about parts prices, and lack of them at any price.. yet we keep
> the old Mercedes alive for decades, because we "believe we can"..
>
> Sort of the "American Way" in a nut shell.. IMO
>
> Grant...
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > You might be right.
> >
> > The thing that bothers me the most I guess is that I have various friends
> > who span the spectrum from fairly far left to fairly far right.  I like
> > them all for various reasons, and it seems that until recently we have
> all
> > gotten along fairly well despite our political views or lack thereof.  We
> > just had a basic respect for one another and could discuss these things
> > somewhat academically, a bit of give and take, discussing facts of
> matters,
> > good-natured criticism I guess but nothing that said "you are an idiot"
> or
> > "you are a bad person."  But that is where it is now and I just don't get
> > it.  Seems like the emotion is at a huge high on certain political
> matters
> > (and it is not that many specific ones) and it overrides anything else
> that
> > is of value, like the bases for friendships.
> >
> > I am now apparently a racist bigot sexist homophobic xenophobic
> misogynist
> > environmental destroyer climate denier trumpster POS (and whatever else
> is
> > eevil) that is due absolutely no respect or consideration, even
> though
> > yesterday morning we were good friends discussing important personal
> > matters in a caring considerate way.  I did nothing in the intervening
> time
> > so I just don't understand.  Maybe it says something about my selection
> of
> > particular friends, but damn they sure fooled me.  Or maybe they are just
> > batsh*t crazy, and I never knew, and something mysterious triggered it,
> and
> > it is good to be rid of them even though it hurts for now.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/17 12:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a lot
> >>> of things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a
> >>> non-partisan sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.
> Are
> >>> those still allowed?
> >>>
> >>> I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect
> to
> >>> my friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as I
> have
> >>> not been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with them as I
> >>> realize it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their views
> might be
> >>> and wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly at this point I
> >>> don't really care anymore about having or expressing views to/with
> them as
> >>> any views matter naught in the scheme of things) differ on various
> >>> political opinions, that some of them, whom I thought to be good close
> >>> friends, have labeled me as their opponent or enemy or something,
> based on
> >>> nothing in particular that I can understand, because they "think" I
> might
> >>> have an opinion that differs from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and
> at
> >>> the same time quite hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our
> >>> friendships now.  These fantasies have eradicated whatever other
> feelings
> >>> or basis for friendship that we had with each other. Poof, gone.  I
> guess
> >>> maybe the friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.
> >>>
> >>> I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a
> >>> few square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it
> all for
> >>> some time.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing us
> >>> so effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to
> blame.  It
> >>> 

Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes, there were some minor (generally cosmetic) examples of non-perfection
that I would have fixed, had I kept the car.  I reduced my asking price to
address these any a couple other unresolved issues..





On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 25/01/2017 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My first rule:  "Do no harm".
>>
>>
> Which is why you did not repair all the things wrong with the wagon sold
> to Kyle?
>
> RB
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[MBZ] ADMIN - Discussion Topics

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ok, folks, this is a warning. Discussions are moving in a direction towards 
forbidden topics.  

Please refrain from doing so, please, and let's get back on car related matters.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] ACME

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's too funny.  My favorite: Doom, and Gloom, in 1 gallon cans.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A quart of antimatter, anyone?
>
> https://www.superherosupplies.com/collections/superpowers
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Couldn't resist - it is just SO funny/ironic.  Besides, Rich and others
vented on politically-tinged topics earlier today.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I, for one, consider that to be the sort of thing that Kaleb said one was
> not to post.
> You have to know that there are some who will not be able to Not Respond.
>
> RB
>
> On 25/01/2017 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!
>>
>> "Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin,
>> is
>> registered to vote in two states
>> > registration/index.html>,
>> a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
>> New York and California show.
>> While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
>> to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
>> president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
>> citizens are registered to vote in two states."
>>
>> Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally
>> refute
>> this allegation.
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I would like to take this just one step further and still keep it strictly
Mercedes, old school, DIY. Which is, I believe, the foundation basis for
this group of old Mercedes drivers/fixers.

We struggle, as a group to survive, and keep our "old Mercedes" on the
road, safe to operate. We do that because of a driving element of
personality which says  "I can do that, I can fix it, I own the
problem, it's mine to do with as I wish."

The political elements who have been in power, in our government, in our
schools, and universities, are in stated principles, precisely opposite of
that driving principle which drives us individually, as a group. In
essence, the core element of having a "Mercedes Group" to discuss how we
"do stuff".

I believe, there is a very thin line between those who socially say, 'you
can't do that", "someone or something else has to do that for you." and We
few who say.. "get out of my way while I do it, watch me."

We grouse about parts prices, and lack of them at any price.. yet we keep
the old Mercedes alive for decades, because we "believe we can"..

Sort of the "American Way" in a nut shell.. IMO

Grant...

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You might be right.
>
> The thing that bothers me the most I guess is that I have various friends
> who span the spectrum from fairly far left to fairly far right.  I like
> them all for various reasons, and it seems that until recently we have all
> gotten along fairly well despite our political views or lack thereof.  We
> just had a basic respect for one another and could discuss these things
> somewhat academically, a bit of give and take, discussing facts of matters,
> good-natured criticism I guess but nothing that said "you are an idiot" or
> "you are a bad person."  But that is where it is now and I just don't get
> it.  Seems like the emotion is at a huge high on certain political matters
> (and it is not that many specific ones) and it overrides anything else that
> is of value, like the bases for friendships.
>
> I am now apparently a racist bigot sexist homophobic xenophobic misogynist
> environmental destroyer climate denier trumpster POS (and whatever else is
> eevil) that is due absolutely no respect or consideration, even though
> yesterday morning we were good friends discussing important personal
> matters in a caring considerate way.  I did nothing in the intervening time
> so I just don't understand.  Maybe it says something about my selection of
> particular friends, but damn they sure fooled me.  Or maybe they are just
> batsh*t crazy, and I never knew, and something mysterious triggered it, and
> it is good to be rid of them even though it hurts for now.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 1/25/17 12:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a lot
>>> of things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a
>>> non-partisan sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  Are
>>> those still allowed?
>>>
>>> I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect to
>>> my friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as I have
>>> not been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with them as I
>>> realize it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their views might be
>>> and wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly at this point I
>>> don't really care anymore about having or expressing views to/with them as
>>> any views matter naught in the scheme of things) differ on various
>>> political opinions, that some of them, whom I thought to be good close
>>> friends, have labeled me as their opponent or enemy or something, based on
>>> nothing in particular that I can understand, because they "think" I might
>>> have an opinion that differs from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and at
>>> the same time quite hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our
>>> friendships now.  These fantasies have eradicated whatever other feelings
>>> or basis for friendship that we had with each other. Poof, gone.  I guess
>>> maybe the friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.
>>>
>>> I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a
>>> few square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it all for
>>> some time.
>>>
>>> I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing us
>>> so effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to blame.  It
>>> really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down soon.  I hope so.
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>> It is brainwashing. I am not sure who is at fault but I suspect the press
>> is primarily to blame. Maybe the educators? The young (those younger than
>> me?) have these nice liberal arts educations where they have been taught to
>> think the right things by the liberal academeics. 

Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 25/01/2017 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My first rule:  "Do no harm".



Which is why you did not repair all the things wrong with the wagon sold 
to Kyle?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT but NOT political

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I, for one, consider that to be the sort of thing that Kaleb said one 
was not to post.

You have to know that there are some who will not be able to Not Respond.

RB

On 25/01/2017 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!

"Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is
registered to vote in two states
,
a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
New York and California show.
While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
citizens are registered to vote in two states."

Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally refute
this allegation.
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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Are what?  SOBs?  Politically naïve?

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Maybe he always was.
>
> Hey --FT - look at that.
> Andrew did not call you deplorable (i.e. a racist bigot sexist
> homophobic xenophobic misogynist environmental destroyer climate
> denier trumpster POS (and whatever else is eevil) that is due
> absolutely no respect or consideration).
>
> Thanks Andrew for posing as... what shall we call your position?  Your
> position seems to be... "*I disapprove of what you say, but I will
> defend to the death your right to say it,*"  And for that, thanks.
> You refresh belief that 300TD owners are.
> tin-man
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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

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My first rule:  "Do no harm".

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hey, it's a one time learning experience. Bust all the tabs off the top
> edge of the door panel once and you'll never do it again...
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 25, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Or damage them while trying to do so . . . .
> >
> > RB
> >
> >> On 25/01/2017 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Also forces you to learn how to non-destructively remove door panels,
> too!
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
> >>> Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
> >>> yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Oooo!  Door check for under $10
> 
>  clay
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ACME

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So, is "anti-matter" the same or similar to, "it doesn't matter"?

RB

On 25/01/2017 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

A quart of antimatter, anyone?

https://www.superherosupplies.com/collections/superpowers

-D
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[MBZ] OT but NOT political

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Voter fraud - It can happen to the best of us!

"Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is
registered to vote in two states
,
a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in
New York and California show.
While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal
to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the
president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether
citizens are registered to vote in two states."

Of course, there are probably "alternative facts" that could totally refute
this allegation.
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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

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Hey, it's a one time learning experience. Bust all the tabs off the top edge of 
the door panel once and you'll never do it again...

-D

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or damage them while trying to do so . . . .
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 25/01/2017 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Also forces you to learn how to non-destructively remove door panels, too!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
>>> Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
>>> yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Oooo!  Door check for under $10
 
 clay
 
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[MBZ] ACME

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A quart of antimatter, anyone?

https://www.superherosupplies.com/collections/superpowers

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Maybe he always was.

Hey --FT - look at that.
Andrew did not call you deplorable (i.e. a racist bigot sexist
homophobic xenophobic misogynist environmental destroyer climate
denier trumpster POS (and whatever else is eevil) that is due
absolutely no respect or consideration).

Thanks Andrew for posing as... what shall we call your position?  Your
position seems to be... "*I disapprove of what you say, but I will
defend to the death your right to say it,*"  And for that, thanks.
You refresh belief that 300TD owners are.
tin-man

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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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Well, I am old enough to have abandoned my youthful liberal tendancies.

RB

On 25/01/2017 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe he always was.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Is it just me, or has Randy switched sides?  I used to think you were on
the left side of the spectrum (guns) but lately I'm not so sure any
more

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Or damage them while trying to do so . . . .

RB

On 25/01/2017 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Also forces you to learn how to non-destructively remove door panels, too!

-D


On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:


Oooo!  Door check for under $10

clay




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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Also forces you to learn how to non-destructively remove door panels, too!

-D

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
> Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
> yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!
> 
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Oooo!  Door check for under $10
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/Mercedes~Benz-parts/?stype=clearance
>>> 
>>> What's the clearance, Clarence?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>> Winston Churchill:
>>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>> of the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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Maybe he always was.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is it just me, or has Randy switched sides?  I used to think you were on
> the left side of the spectrum (guns) but lately I'm not so sure any
> more
>
> -
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Re: [MBZ] Red SC 560SL on BAT, auction ending today

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MIt's in Greer which is upstate by Greenville, where the BMW plant is,  
Don't know the car.


--FT


On 1/25/17 1:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Already bid up irrationally to $15K
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-mercedes-benz-560sl-10/

Very clean SL, notwithstanding a hideous dash crack that should have been
addressed prior to listing.  I fail to see the appeal of these pedestrian
cars.

Major service done in 2007 at Auto Tech in Aiken SC.  Does Rich/Meade know
this car or shop?
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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] Red SC 560SL on BAT, auction ending today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Already bid up irrationally to $15K
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-mercedes-benz-560sl-10/

Very clean SL, notwithstanding a hideous dash crack that should have been
addressed prior to listing.  I fail to see the appeal of these pedestrian
cars.

Major service done in 2007 at Auto Tech in Aiken SC.  Does Rich/Meade know
this car or shop?
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Re: [MBZ] FCP Euro have a clearance sale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

One of the MOST gratifying DIY procedures for a vintage Mercedes Benz.
Just enough of a challenge to make you feel REALLY good about
yourself.  Plus, the replacement part is cheap.  Highly recommended!

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:50 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Oooo!  Door check for under $10
>
> clay
>
> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.fcpeuro.com/Mercedes~Benz-parts/?stype=clearance
> >
> > What's the clearance, Clarence?
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> > Winston Churchill:
> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
> of the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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Is it just me, or has Randy switched sides?  I used to think you were on
the left side of the spectrum (guns) but lately I'm not so sure any more

-
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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On 25/01/2017 11:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

You might be right.

The thing that bothers me the most I guess is that I have various 
friends who span the spectrum from fairly far left to fairly far 
right.  I like them all for various reasons, and it seems that until 
recently we have all gotten along fairly well despite our political 
views or lack thereof.  We just had a basic respect for one another 
and could discuss these things somewhat academically, a bit of give 
and take, discussing facts of matters, good-natured criticism I guess 
but nothing that said "you are an idiot" or "you are a bad person."  
But that is where it is now and I just don't get it.  Seems like the 
emotion is at a huge high on certain political matters (and it is not 
that many specific ones) and it overrides anything else that is of 
value, like the bases for friendships.


I am now apparently a racist bigot sexist homophobic xenophobic 
misogynist environmental destroyer climate denier trumpster POS (and 
whatever else is eevil) that is due absolutely no respect or 
consideration, even though yesterday morning we were good friends 
discussing important personal matters in a caring considerate way.  I 
did nothing in the intervening time so I just don't understand.  Maybe 
it says something about my selection of particular friends, but damn 
they sure fooled me.  Or maybe they are just batsh*t crazy, and I 
never knew, and something mysterious triggered it, and it is good to 
be rid of them even though it hurts for now.


--FT


Whatever happened to?

"*I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your 
right to say it,*"


RB
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

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I'll be your friend Floyd.  See you bright and early Saturday!

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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You might be right.

The thing that bothers me the most I guess is that I have various 
friends who span the spectrum from fairly far left to fairly far right.  
I like them all for various reasons, and it seems that until recently we 
have all gotten along fairly well despite our political views or lack 
thereof.  We just had a basic respect for one another and could discuss 
these things somewhat academically, a bit of give and take, discussing 
facts of matters, good-natured criticism I guess but nothing that said 
"you are an idiot" or "you are a bad person."  But that is where it is 
now and I just don't get it.  Seems like the emotion is at a huge high 
on certain political matters (and it is not that many specific ones) and 
it overrides anything else that is of value, like the bases for friendships.


I am now apparently a racist bigot sexist homophobic xenophobic 
misogynist environmental destroyer climate denier trumpster POS (and 
whatever else is eevil) that is due absolutely no respect or 
consideration, even though yesterday morning we were good friends 
discussing important personal matters in a caring considerate way.  I 
did nothing in the intervening time so I just don't understand.  Maybe 
it says something about my selection of particular friends, but damn 
they sure fooled me.  Or maybe they are just batsh*t crazy, and I never 
knew, and something mysterious triggered it, and it is good to be rid of 
them even though it hurts for now.


--FT


On 1/25/17 12:25 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a 
lot of things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a 
non-partisan sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  
Are those still allowed?


I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect 
to my friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as 
I have not been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with 
them as I realize it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their 
views might be and wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly 
at this point I don't really care anymore about having or expressing 
views to/with them as any views matter naught in the scheme of 
things) differ on various political opinions, that some of them, whom 
I thought to be good close friends, have labeled me as their opponent 
or enemy or something, based on nothing in particular that I can 
understand, because they "think" I might have an opinion that differs 
from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and at the same time quite 
hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our friendships now.  
These fantasies have eradicated whatever other feelings or basis for 
friendship that we had with each other. Poof, gone.  I guess maybe 
the friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.


I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a 
few square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it 
all for some time.


I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing 
us so effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to 
blame.  It really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down 
soon.  I hope so.


--FT



It is brainwashing. I am not sure who is at fault but I suspect the 
press is primarily to blame. Maybe the educators? The young (those 
younger than me?) have these nice liberal arts educations where they 
have been taught to think the right things by the liberal academeics. 
This has filtered down into the lower schools as most of the teachers 
have liberal arts degrees as well. They have all been convinced that 
the politically correct views expressed from above are beyond 
reproach. Anyone who does not think like them is bad. One cannot 
express an opinion anymore unless one supports the politically correct 
program. We must not discriminate against all of the oddballs but in 
so doing, we descriminate against the basic average normal people who 
work hard and pay for the system that now works to oppress them. The 
politicians are just as bad as the press if not worse. They are afraid 
to stand up for what is right because they fear being ridiculed by the 
press. Many of the politicians now are young enough to have been 
taught the politically correct agenda in the schools as well.


I can provide a recent example of what I am trying to express. My wife 
and I had lunch at a cafe on Sunday. The waitress was a nice young 
lady - likely in her early 20's. A bit of chit chat occured with her 
and in this area, in winter, the conversation is often about the 
weather. We have enjoyed a brief respite from the cold of a northern 
prairie winter. It was very cold for a couple of weeks but it has 
warmed up. We actually had a day or two above freezing temperatures 
and some of our mountains of snow melted or compacted somewhat which 
was 

Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 25/01/2017 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a 
lot of things come down eventually to politics. Maybe it is more of a 
non-partisan sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  
Are those still allowed?


I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect 
to my friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as 
I have not been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with 
them as I realize it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their 
views might be and wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly 
at this point I don't really care anymore about having or expressing 
views to/with them as any views matter naught in the scheme of things) 
differ on various political opinions, that some of them, whom I 
thought to be good close friends, have labeled me as their opponent or 
enemy or something, based on nothing in particular that I can 
understand, because they "think" I might have an opinion that differs 
from theirs.  It is truly astounding, and at the same time quite 
hurtful, that these fantasies have destroyed our friendships now.  
These fantasies have eradicated whatever other feelings or basis for 
friendship that we had with each other.  Poof, gone.  I guess maybe 
the friendships were really not, just a fantasy to me.


I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a 
few square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it 
all for some time.


I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing 
us so effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to 
blame.  It really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down 
soon.  I hope so.


--FT



It is brainwashing. I am not sure who is at fault but I suspect the 
press is primarily to blame. Maybe the educators? The young (those 
younger than me?) have these nice liberal arts educations where they 
have been taught to think the right things by the liberal academeics. 
This has filtered down into the lower schools as most of the teachers 
have liberal arts degrees as well. They have all been convinced that the 
politically correct views expressed from above are beyond reproach. 
Anyone who does not think like them is bad. One cannot express an 
opinion anymore unless one supports the politically correct program. We 
must not discriminate against all of the oddballs but in so doing, we 
descriminate against the basic average normal people who work hard and 
pay for the system that now works to oppress them. The politicians are 
just as bad as the press if not worse. They are afraid to stand up for 
what is right because they fear being ridiculed by the press. Many of 
the politicians now are young enough to have been taught the politically 
correct agenda in the schools as well.


I can provide a recent example of what I am trying to express. My wife 
and I had lunch at a cafe on Sunday. The waitress was a nice young lady 
- likely in her early 20's. A bit of chit chat occured with her and in 
this area, in winter, the conversation is often about the weather. We 
have enjoyed a brief respite from the cold of a northern prairie winter. 
It was very cold for a couple of weeks but it has warmed up. We actually 
had a day or two above freezing temperatures and some of our mountains 
of snow melted or compacted somewhat which was good as we were starting 
to wonder where we could pile more (which will likely still come). By 
the way, it has now cooled down and we are once again below the freezing 
mark and it is supposed to get colder by the weekend. In any event, I 
commented to the waitress that it was nice to have the warmer weather 
and she disagreed and said that she found it "scary" as we should not 
have such things in winter and was thus convinced that it was evidence 
of global warming. I did not argue with her as I could see there was no 
point to it and she would have just labelled me as an old coot who was 
part of the problem because I did not share her view or opinion.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is not really a political statement, but I guess it is since a lot 
of things come down eventually to politics.  Maybe it is more of a 
non-partisan sociological/psychological/philosophical observation.  Are 
those still allowed?


I realized last night that despite efforts on my part to show respect to 
my friends even though we might (and "might" is a key word here as I 
have not been particularly forthcoming recently on any views with them 
as I realize it is just going to cause issues, whatever my/their views 
might be and wherever I/they fall on the spectrum, and honestly at this 
point I don't really care anymore about having or expressing views 
to/with them as any views matter naught in the scheme of things) differ 
on various political opinions, that some of them, whom I thought to be 
good close friends, have labeled me as their opponent or enemy or 
something, based on nothing in particular that I can understand, because 
they "think" I might have an opinion that differs from theirs.  It is 
truly astounding, and at the same time quite hurtful, that these 
fantasies have destroyed our friendships now.  These fantasies have 
eradicated whatever other feelings or basis for friendship that we had 
with each other.  Poof, gone.  I guess maybe the friendships were really 
not, just a fantasy to me.


I just don't know what to think any more, maybe GMann will lease me a 
few square miles of outback where I can just go and be away from it all 
for some time.


I guess I should thank our candidates for that great job in dividing us 
so effectively.  Or maybe it is just in us, and we need them to blame.  
It really is not a good time, maybe it will all settle down soon.  I 
hope so.


--FT


On 1/25/17 10:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Sorry, been winding up some liberal friends on Facebook. Apparently if you make 
a comment thats not anti-Trump its okay to call you names now...
-Curt

   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes 
Cc: Meade Dillon 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:22 AM
  Subject: [MBZ] Radio check

Over, under?

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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I guess we will just have to learn to love winners..

Imagine that.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant sez:
>
> >How about those Cubs..
>
> Cubs is kind of bittersweet. I have been a lifelong Chicagoland resident,
> and to not have the Cubs as "Lovable Losers", and not hearing "Wait until
> next year" is quite a shock. Something that was‎ utterly and absolutely
> never expected. A friend of mine was at a Blackhawks game two years ago,
> maybe three, and the then, new owner of the Cubs was there (Tom Ricketts),
> and he had a small crowd around him that recognized him. He told the crowd
> that he would have the Cubs in contention for a championship in two years.
> Never underestimate a dynamic business leader when he turns his attention
> from his primary business to something else, and makes a commitment. The
> Cubs would still be the "Lovable Losers" under their old ownership.
> ‎
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Re: [MBZ] Radio check

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Grant sez:

>How about those Cubs..

Cubs is kind of bittersweet. I have been a lifelong Chicagoland resident, and 
to not have the Cubs as "Lovable Losers", and not hearing "Wait until next 
year" is quite a shock. Something that was‎ utterly and absolutely never 
expected. A friend of mine was at a Blackhawks game two years ago, maybe three, 
and the then, new owner of the Cubs was there (Tom Ricketts), and he had a 
small crowd around him that recognized him. He told the crowd that he would 
have the Cubs in contention for a championship in two years. Never 
underestimate a dynamic business leader when he turns his attention from his 
primary business to something else, and makes a commitment. The Cubs would 
still be the "Lovable Losers" under their old ownership. 
‎
Rick ‎

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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Dang... and just when I was about to convert Andrew to a conservative.. Oh
well.. back to Mercedes..

Nice discussion of turbo boost and adjustments lately. Thanks.

How about those Cubs..

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, maybe it will get so boring around here with no
> back-n-forth between Curly and Andrew that Kaleb will lift the politics
> ban?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
>
> > How about  -- never mind, don't want Kaleb to zap me with the
> pooferator...
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, been winding up some liberal friends on Facebook. Apparently if
> >> you make a comment thats not anti-Trump its okay to call you names
> now...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>  To: Mercedes 
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> >>  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:22 AM
> >>  Subject: [MBZ] Radio check
> >>
> >> Over, under?
> >> -
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

On the other hand, maybe it will get so boring around here with no
back-n-forth between Curly and Andrew that Kaleb will lift the politics ban?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> How about  -- never mind, don't want Kaleb to zap me with the pooferator...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, been winding up some liberal friends on Facebook. Apparently if
>> you make a comment thats not anti-Trump its okay to call you names now...
>> -Curt
>>
>>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>>  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:22 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Radio check
>>
>> Over, under?
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

How about  -- never mind, don't want Kaleb to zap me with the pooferator...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sorry, been winding up some liberal friends on Facebook. Apparently if you
> make a comment thats not anti-Trump its okay to call you names now...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:22 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Radio check
>
> Over, under?
> -
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sorry, been winding up some liberal friends on Facebook. Apparently if you make 
a comment thats not anti-Trump its okay to call you names now...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes  
Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:22 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Radio check
   
Over, under?
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[MBZ] Radio check

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Over, under?
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Re: [MBZ] MBC's

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Interesting question. It could depend upon level of boost achieved. At
12psi you are raising intake air temp by 165 degrees. At the limit of the
stock turbo compressor, you might get to pressure ratio of 2.7 and a delta
of 264 degrees, or 100 degrees higher than stock, assuming same fueling
level. These numbers are from the "stock om603" sheet on this spreadsheet,
which is cribbed from w124performance.com

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3nswav2j7mstnr/DieselCompoundCalculator_OM606.xlsx?dl=0

Gsxr measured 1400f on a long uphill freeway pull, stock boost and fuel
with the 603:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epeachparts%2Ecom%2Fshopforum%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D121201_tid=121201_fid=31137_type=t
OM603 EGT readings

So intake air temp increase of 100f could be significant with extended high
load operation, as 1400 is already on the limit of acceptable. But you
would really need to hammer on it for some minutes to get there, and have a
blocked wastegate. The wastegate is going to blow open with exhaust
backpressure only at some point also, even with the hose clamped, which
will limit max boost to less than 2.7 probably anyway in this test
scenario. But it is all right on the edge.

I think we can see why the alda safety switch is there on the stock motor
=:-)

On Jan 23, 2017 12:37 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yes, unless the over-boost protection circuit kicked in to limit fuel.
> With increasing boost, the temperature of the charge air goes up, which
> directly translates to higher exhaust gas temperatures.  Increasing the
> boost without adding fuel just adds heat, which is not very nice in terms
> of engine wear.  No gain in performance, shortens engine life.  I don't
> know if piston meltdown would still be a risk if the fuel were limited by
> cutting off the signal to the ALDA, don't really want to know.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Would it, with fuel limited by the IP? Too lean isn't much of a problem
> in
> > Diesels, IIRC.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >   Over boosting for too long can very quickly lead to
> > > piston meltdown.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
> > > --
> > >
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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