date:20181210

Priapus have near no value as a used car in SEA.  Must be related to UBER not 
allowing you to drive a car of a certain age.

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Leaf has an abysmal depreciation rate. It would be a great car to pick up 
> after two or three years from new for about 1/3 of the cost of new.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 10, 2018 10:26 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use
> 
> 
> Kinda pricey but all had decent scores.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

When I was a wee youth, my Mater procured for me a pair of ICKYa beds.  From 
the mother country store, not some transplanted sawdust sandwiched in contact 
paper.  Real wood and quality viking engineering.  50  years on, my nephews are 
using them.


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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They prefer ICKYa "furniture" made of sawdust rather than real furniture that 
> will last generations. They generally throw out the ICKYa "furniture" each 
> time they move.
> 
> Yes, Curt, there are a very few exceptions, but the majority prefer ickya.
> 
> ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 12:01 PM:
>> So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
>> younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
>> many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
>> would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at 
>> antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't 
>> want to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of 
>> that phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, 
>> keep looking, I hope you find more to count.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

No shi… uh, very interesting

SWMBA’s father grew up a wee stone’s through up river from the bridge.  Right 
on the water.  Her grandfather ran a tug.  Between Wintler Park and Tidewater.


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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For once a year I'm perfectly willing to hand-wash the china.  I have 
> inherited a set,
> Spode, and also a sterling silverware set.  International Silver?  Both are 
> 12-place sets.
> They were the "We made it" ware of my great aunt generation, which turned out 
> to be
> childless so all that stuff ended up in our family.  (They owned Columbia 
> riverfront,
> right near the I-5 bridge in WA.)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

There must be a market for film camera stuff.  My local Goodwill (greedy 
bast’ids) put up all manner of lenses and camera bodies (those that have 
survived abuse and age) on their Bay of Fleas store.  A massive contingent of 
collectors must need this stuff, or it would not keep filling page after page 
and bringing in the ducats.  I do wonder where they are finding film.


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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I traded a Minolta XG and a bunch of lenses and related goodies to the 300D 
> printing press guy in GA who used to be on here (what was his name???) for a 
> burr style electric coffee bean grinder.  I looked into values and they 
> really have none.  Very few people still shooting with film.
> 
> For that matter, I used to shoot medium format with a Mamiya M645 Super and a 
> Mamiya RB67, mostly the Super.  For what I paid for a used camera body 15 
> years ago I could buy the whole outfit today. The only thing that still has 
> value is the glass.
> 
> Go look at KEH Camera for values. Used camera broker that’s been in the 
> business for years.  King (the owner) is a great guy who created one of the 
> very best places to buy and sell used gear.  I’ve bought and sold with them 
> many a time in the past. Super, super conservative in grading - I would buy 
> stuff graded “Fair” and it would be like new.
> 
> www.keh.com
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras, I 
>> know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 lenses 
>> (50mm and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One Canon SLR, 
>> also with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 35mm pocket 
>> cameras, Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly worthless, the lenses 
>> might fit something, i don't know.  I would hate to get rid of them, just 
>> because they are good pieces of work, but I have no idea what to do with 
>> them.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Ah, but Roger, those crafty folk will be able to keep our antiquities in fine 
fettle should they require repair.  Heaven forbid we should lose the craftsmen 
who can whip up a whole auto interior and soft top should we require that.  I 
know on my SL, it being green, that I am at the mercy of such a crafts person 
to supply my seats, carpet, and any other green things, since the factories do 
not make things of that hue.  Seems that a person can only depend on finding 
Black or maybe some red or blue upholstery and such from World Upholstery and 
the other online providers.

Speaking of craft, who do we depend upon to fabricate wood trim made of actual 
wood, not plastinated contact paper, as is found on the cars of the 21st 
century?  It was fascinating to see how they were able to match wood to that in 
a 60 year old Rolls, or an Adenauer.  Some kiddo on a computer can not do that.

If we appreciate the antique, we need the craft person to keep it alive.

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 12:09 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking antiques 
> and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking about 
> artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used to 
> create them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young people 
> are involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As always, I'm 
> not pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may not agree 
> with yours. 
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

That train of thought sort of speak to the loss of patrimony.  Maybe the older 
folks liked to have a significant connection to their ancestors, many having 
had to part with all connection to the past when they got onto the ship to come 
to America.  What little they could stuff into a corner of the suitcase to 
represent a link to the old country and family.  Or, what little that survived 
the wagon train over the Oregon Trail to brighten your new abode in the godless 
wilds of the west.

The passing on of family heirlooms is sort of upper class snobbery.  The poor 
did not have quality wedding gifts where silver and china were on the list.   
Heck, nobody around these parts was making truly great stuff until the end of 
the 19th century anyway.  It just might be all a Hallmark marketing ploy by the 
emerging department stores to load young couples up with virtue signaling wares 
so the Smiths and Jones would feel inadequate.

For my dollar, I would rather a fine set of kitchen knives than some junk 
Chicago Cutlery.  I also have my maternal grandfather’s second set of china and 
crystal.  I am awaiting my paternal grandparents silver, but for now am happy 
to have Mom above ground.  I think I am supposed to have her silver come my 
way.  For reasons unknown, Mother rid herself of her china.  Probably used it 
all up and had no more unchipped china on hand.

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Combine that with younger folks often having smaller living spaces.I've got 
> my great grandmother's china closet in a storage shed up north but we have no 
> china nor anywhere to put such a big piece, our house is too small and its 
> too big. Its also too fragile, the glass would get broke, the veneer chipped, 
> its getting ruined in storage but at least I don't have to see it getting 
> ruined in my house.
> Nobody else in the family wants it either, I'd let any of them take it, 
> everybody has the same problem, too much of their own stuff already.
> The other thing is that I don't think many of us understand fine china or 
> silverware. Most of our silverware came from yard sales, it works, its better 
> than Wal-Mart stuff (we do agree on quality things) but I can't see having 
> plates or silverware I don't use every day. If what I eat on isn't good 
> enough for a "special occasion" than I don't think that special occasion is 
> important enough to be at my house.
> -Curt 

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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

The youth of this era are into ephemeral instead of things that last.  All is 
VERY temporary to them, so why be saddled with the weight of reality.  Play on 
the pretty screen, and should you die on the morrow, you are leaving nothing 
behind.

This generation is disposable.  The lack of monumental permanent thought or 
structures mean that they will not be recalled by those who follow them.  They 
will not even be mourned, as the smoke of the fires from the library at 
Alexandria were.  For at least the flames and smoke spoke of the great loss of 
knowledge of the ages.

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I point you to a community and you complain because I only listed 3 specific 
> people when you get to make blanket statements? Thats not much of an argument.
> Its really easy to say "nobody is doing x" when you don't go out looking for 
> people doing it.
> In the '60s did people's parents complain that you weren't driving a Model A? 
> Times change, the thinks previous generations valued aren't of as great a 
> value to new generations, this is nothing new.
> Seems like young folks today value experiences more than things, as somebody 
> weighed down by things (many of them quite old) I can understand that. I 
> don't understand the "millennial hate" that boomers seem to have, it seems 
> like boomers don't have enough to do, they're all basically sitting on their 
> front porch "You kids get offa my lawn!"
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, December 10, 2018, 1:02:14 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
> younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
> many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
> would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at 
> antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't want 
> to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of that 
> phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep 
> looking, I hope you find more to count.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM Re: A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

The new wind arrays are much more bird friendly.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:06 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And his neighbors could benefit from all the free dead bird meals!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 10, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was just thinking that Andrew should go all in with the global warming
> and put up a big wind generator on a 300' tower in his backyard.   Since
> all his neighbors are of the same "global warming" persuasion they would
> also like a tower and windmill in their backyard also, so they can charge
> their "Lektrick cars."
> >
> > Never NIMBY!
> >
> >
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 2:11 PM:
> >>  I forget the numbers exactly but the 660v "Super charger" charges the
> battery in like 1 hour, 220v is like 4-5 hours and 110v is like 8-10 hours.
> >>
> >> If I were going electric I'd spring for 220v...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:01:56 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles.  I assume it's
> possible to trickle charge in a110 setup?.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range
> was like 120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most
> folks thats a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge
> at work.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during
> heating and cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It
> was a fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf
> rusts away I may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and
> isn't anywhere near as ugly as the old one.
> >> EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but
> you've got to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each
> way, even in the winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a
> diesel as it'll have heat right away.
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided
> to get
> >> one?
> >>
> >> On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video
> game
> >>> to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky
> diesel you
> >>> are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas
> mileage.
> >>> I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used
> car
> >>> gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> >>> japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> >>> motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the
> auto
> >>> industry jumped the shark decades ago.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> clay monroe
> >>> redgh...@comcast.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability
> to
> >>> improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
>  When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> >>> they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> >>> leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> >>> efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> >>> 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was
> pretty
> >>> well “leafed” out.
>  I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> >>> would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
>  -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you
> drove
> >>> for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to
> improve
> >>> mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did
> to
> >>> try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> >>> 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30
> and
> >>> as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> > Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> >>> quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> >>> conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> > I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The

Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

Worthless to me.  I would suck the battery dry on a visit to my mother, and 
could not make it to the PnP and back.  I guess if all you do is tootle off to 
the local vegan food shoppe, it is fine

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was like 
> 120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most folks 
> thats a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge at work.
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Coal Scuttle.  I appreciate that.  My mother has one as decor, that used to be 
functional as heat for her home oh, so many years ago.  She changed her 
fireplace to gas, but still has the scuttle.  I should ask that it come my way 
when she is done with it.  Being an old fart, I did not abuse my home and put a 
gas fired gazing box in place of the real wood burner fireplace.  When power is 
out, I can at least heat the living room and do minor cooking


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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:01 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
> younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
> many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
> would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at 
> antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't want 
> to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of that 
> phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep 
> looking, I hope you find more to count.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use

2018-12-10 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

The Leaf has an abysmal depreciation rate. It would be a great car to pick up 
after two or three years from new for about 1/3 of the cost of new.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use

Kinda pricey but all had decent scores.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use

Kinda pricey but all had decent scores.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:49 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Curt mentioned possible interest in an electric car for Angie when the time
> comes, then I saw this today:
>
> The Cheapest Electric Cars on the Market
> - *2018 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive - *$24,650 | U.S. News Overall Score:
> N/A
> - *2018 Ford Focus Electric - *$29,120 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.7/10
> - *2018 Hyundai Ioniq Electric - *$29,500 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.4/10
> - *2018 Nissan Leaf - *$29,990 | U.S. News Overall Score: 7.7/10
> - *2018 Volkswagen e-Golf - *$30,495 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.6/10
> - *2019 Fiat 500e - *$32,995 | U.S. News Overall Score: 7.2/10
> - *2018 Chevrolet Volt - *$33,220 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.4/10
> - *2018 Honda Clarity EV - *$33,400 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.1/10
> - *2019 Kia Soul EV - *$33,950 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.8/10
> - *2019 Chevrolet Bolt - *$36,620 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.3/10
> - *2019 Hyundai Kona EV - *$37,000 (est) | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.5/10
> - *2018 BMW i3 - *$44,450 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.2/10
> - *2018 Tesla Model 3 - *$49,000 | U.S. News Overall Score: 9.0/10
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax Please

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1986-mercedes-190d/6751081617.html


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curley says:
> 
>> Should make a good DD, but by spring in Gary,  >the rust should be blooming 
>> nicely!  Drive it into >the ground, sell part, then sell the hulk for scrap.
> 
> That is the plan. I drive 30k miles a year. I figured I could cut my W201 
> teeth on a fairly non valuable car. I was/still am looking for a W201 diesel. 
> Maybe I'll buy Thurd Floydsby's in the spring. I found a 2006 W211 for $5500 
> local to me, but I didn't have the money at the time.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM Re: A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

2018-12-10 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

And his neighbors could benefit from all the free dead bird meals!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was just thinking that Andrew should go all in with the global warming and 
> put up a big wind generator on a 300' tower in his backyard.   Since all his 
> neighbors are of the same "global warming" persuasion they would also like a 
> tower and windmill in their backyard also, so they can charge their "Lektrick 
> cars."
> 
> Never NIMBY!
> 
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 2:11 PM:
>>  I forget the numbers exactly but the 660v "Super charger" charges the 
>> battery in like 1 hour, 220v is like 4-5 hours and 110v is like 8-10 hours.
>> 
>> If I were going electric I'd spring for 220v...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:01:56 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
>>  wrote:
>>Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles.  I assume it's possible to 
>> trickle charge in a110 setup?.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>  The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was 
>> like 120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most 
>> folks thats a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge 
>> at work.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
>>  wrote:
>>Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating 
>> and cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>  When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was a 
>> fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts away 
>> I may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't anywhere 
>> near as ugly as the old one.
>> EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've 
>> got to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even 
>> in the winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as 
>> it'll have heat right away.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
>> one?
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video game
>>> to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel you
>>> are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
>>> I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
>>> gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
>>> japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
>>> motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
>>> industry jumped the shark decades ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
>>> redgh...@comcast.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
>>> improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
 When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
>>> they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
>>> leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
>>> efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
>>> 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was pretty
>>> well “leafed” out.
 I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
>>> would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
 -D
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you drove
>>> for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to improve
>>> mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
>>> try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
>>> 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30 and
>>> as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
>>> quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
>>> conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
>>> and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding in
>>> it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
>>> the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
>>> Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from

Re: [MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

2018-12-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I got one for my own birthday present coupla months ago but have not used it 
yet. Need to do it soon. It keeps staring at me. 

--FT 
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it dead 
> simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure cooking or even 
> sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver. Any of you doing this?
> 
> 
> 
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

2018-12-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 20:38:33 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No idea.  The youngest got it and knows exactly nothing about them.  It
> looks like you can spend another $50-$100 and make it really nice with
> a bunch of add-ons.  I like that there is a laser etching add-on that’s
> cheap. That could be fun.

I could have you make custom stainless steel labels for my truck ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

2018-12-10 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

I use mine at least once a week. It’s great. Made bone broth in it today. 
Turned out nicely. 

Bob R

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> On Dec 10, 2018, at 8:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I opted for a simple Aroma rice cooker last year over wunnadem when #1 
> Daughter's rice cooker crapped out.   So, nope, but apparently Asian folks 
> like them, as it is very hard to find plain rice cookers now.
> 
> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 4:42 PM:
>> My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it dead 
>> simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure cooking or even 
>> sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver. Any of you doing this?
>> 
>>  
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Thank you Roger. As someone who has refinished a lot of antique  furniture
I agree. We have a houseful of antiques  & none of our nieces & nephews is
interested even though most are family pieces. My one nephew would like my
300CD- Mercedes content.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 10, 2018 10:21 PM, "ROGER HALE via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Well, once again, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.  My point has
> always been that younger people don't appreciate the  value and
> craftsmanship of old things.  Now they can replicate the process, etc., but
> it won't be an old thing, just their reproduction.  So...let's move on.  I
> will go back to not replying to any of you as we apparently just don't
> understand each other.  I have two old MBs, to heck with all the other
> topics...I'll just tune them out.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread ROGER HALE via Mercedes

Well, once again, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.  My point has always 
been that younger people don't appreciate the  value and craftsmanship of old 
things.  Now they can replicate the process, etc., but it won't be an old 
thing, just their reproduction.  So...let's move on.  I will go back to not 
replying to any of you as we apparently just don't understand each other.  I 
have two old MBs, to heck with all the other topics...I'll just tune them out.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Compost from road kill (Mitch Haley)

2018-12-10 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

I use them on all vehicles.  After our pastor had two deer encounters I gave 
her a set:  no deer strikes since.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
> Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Compost from road kill (Mitch Haley)
> 
> Does anyone here use the "Deer Whistles" device that you mount on front
> bumper?  FLAPS most often carry them. About $10 or less. The wind through
> them send out a sound that puts deer and elk on high alert and they run away
> rather than toward your car.
> 
> Seem to work quite well... certainly cheap insurance, small and don't detract
> from car, attach easily.
> I installed a set on all the ranch vehicles after I hit a deer on a desert 
> road.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 8:58 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > The 88 had throttle body injection, so it was actually pretty good on
> > fuel, especially on the highway.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 9, 2018, at 10:46 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I drove an 86 Silverado Suburban for almost 10 years. Red with the
> > > cream
> > stripe around the middle. 2WD, barn doors, 3rd seat etc. Rear air
> > caused trouble. Salt ate the pipes underneath twice. 350 4 barrel was
> > great. OD auto not so good. Rebuilt once and needed to be done again
> > by 200 K miles when I sold it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

2018-12-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Yeah that is like the ones I’ve seen cheap. You can put a laser diode on them. 
Look at Lightburn for the laser software. I think these low-end machines have a 
GRBL arduino controller, very simple stuff, but powerful and gets the job done. 

It will be fun. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is the printer:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/y8mhc9my
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are now cheepchinee 3D printers on banggood and dx, $300 or less for 
>> small ones that maybe have a 6in bed, you can put them right on a desk, I am 
>> almost tempted to get one at some point just to play with it and learn how 
>> to do it, then maybe build a good one like I did my CNC router machine.  
>> They sell all the bits too, really cheap.  Probably not something for 
>> high-quality parts printing, but for random hacking and to learn it would be 
>> an easy way to get into it.  Almost everything about them is now 
>> open-source, and free software.
>> 
>> I bought a little 12x12 solid state diode laser engraver a couple years ago, 
>> used it a bit but the software was crap, now there is much better software 
>> that will control these little machines as well as my 60W big machine, I 
>> need to get that going in my copious spare time too.
>> 
>> Let us know how it goes.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/10/18 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking 
>>> the first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 
>>> 10 years ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good 
>>> one...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

2018-12-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I opted for a simple Aroma rice cooker last year over wunnadem when #1 
Daughter's rice cooker crapped out.   So, nope, but apparently Asian 
folks like them, as it is very hard to find plain rice cookers now.


Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 4:42 PM:

My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it dead 
simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure cooking or even 
sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver. Any of you doing this?

  


Greg





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[MBZ] SPAM Re: A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

2018-12-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I was just thinking that Andrew should go all in with the global warming
and put up a big wind generator on a 300' tower in his backyard. Since
all his neighbors are of the same "global warming" persuasion they would
also like a tower and windmill in their backyard also, so they can
charge their "Lektrick cars."

Never NIMBY!

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 2:11 PM:

I forget the numbers exactly but the 660v "Super charger" charges the battery
in like 1 hour, 220v is like 4-5 hours and 110v is like 8-10 hours.

If I were going electric I'd spring for 220v...
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:01:56 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles. I assume it's possible to trickle charge in a110 setup?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond wrote:

The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was like
120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most folks thats a
reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge at work.
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel
wrote:

Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating and cooling. How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond wrote:

When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was a
fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts away I
may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't anywhere near
as ugly as the old one.
EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've got
to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even in the
winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as it'll have
heat right away.
-Curt

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
wrote:

There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get

one?

On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
wrote:

I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year. Stupid video game
to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel you
are. The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
I continue to search for a solution for Allen. A fairly recent used car
gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
japanese car. Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol? I think the auto
industry jumped the shark decades ago.

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net

On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I’m with Mitch. I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to

improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.

When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,

they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
leaves on it. That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me. After driving the car for
2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was pretty
well “leafed” out.

I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree

would just be a bunch of dead sticks….

-D

On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you drove

for mileage. My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to improve
mileage. My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
28.8¢/gal. In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got 27 to 30 and
as much as 35 mpg. You can figger out what a savings that was.

Later I had the wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the

quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75. In high MPG
conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.

I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL. The speed

and comfort was amazing. The kids not only didn't complain about riding in
it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.

It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in

the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
the gooberment mandated "improvements." I believe 1983 was the high
point of MB Diesel sales in the USA. That was when I went to a MBCA
meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers. [yes,
I said 10 MPG, UP from 18. That is goober-speak, reflecting the
"improvements" mandated.]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:

I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd

Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

They prefer ICKYa "furniture" made of sawdust rather than real furniture 
that will last generations. They generally throw out the ICKYa 
"furniture" each time they move.


Yes, Curt, there are a very few exceptions, but the majority prefer ickya.

ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote on 12/10/18 12:01 PM:

So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few younger folks 
that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the many, many, many 
younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales would be really good, but they 
aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want 
disposable.  They don't want to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take 
care of that phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep 
looking, I hope you find more to count.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

2018-12-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Print me a Glock please, 9mm. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

No idea.  The youngest got it and knows exactly nothing about them.  It looks 
like you can spend another $50-$100 and make it really nice with a bunch of 
add-ons.  I like that there is a laser etching add-on that’s cheap. That could 
be fun.

-D

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Is it any good? At $199 I'd consider it...
> 
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 5:44:19 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is the printer:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/y8mhc9my 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > There are now cheepchinee 3D printers on banggood and dx, $300 or less for 
> > small ones that maybe have a 6in bed, you can put them right on a desk, I 
> > am almost tempted to get one at some point just to play with it and learn 
> > how to do it, then maybe build a good one like I did my CNC router machine. 
> >  They sell all the bits too, really cheap.  Probably not something for 
> > high-quality parts printing, but for random hacking and to learn it would 
> > be an easy way to get into it.  Almost everything about them is now 
> > open-source, and free software.
> > 
> > I bought a little 12x12 solid state diode laser engraver a couple years 
> > ago, used it a bit but the software was crap, now there is much better 
> > software that will control these little machines as well as my 60W big 
> > machine, I need to get that going in my copious spare time too.
> > 
> > Let us know how it goes.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/10/18 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>  They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking 
> >> the first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 
> >> 10 years ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good 
> >> one...
> >> -Curt
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

Not really.  The one place view cameras are still viable is in high end 
architectural photography and surveying.  That’s mainly because of the 
resolution and ability to do shifting.  Otherwise, they’re as much of a 
dinosaur as any other film camera, I would think.

I had a 5x7 view camera when I was in high school.  I learned a lot about 
photographic techniques, using a light meter and the “zone system” from Ansel 
with it. It helped that I had a darkroom, too, as otherwise it would have been 
prohibitively expensive to do.

-D

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> View cameras are still current, are they not?  No digital sensor comes close 
> to what an 8x10" sheet
> of film can capture.  Also, the tilt/shift/focal-plane capabilities are 
> indispensable.  They're no less a
> pain in the ass than they ever were, but if you can power through the 
> difficulties...  Wow.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

2018-12-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:42:59 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it
> dead simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure
> cooking or even sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver.
> Any of you doing this?

In our somewhat primitive conditions here in the ex-leather-goods
facility, Shirley wanted to have something in which to do slow-cooking. I
looked at the offerings in our locale Wal-Mart and chose an Instant Pot.
She hasn't figured it out, so I do the button pushing for her.

I have not read anything about sous-vide, but have done the rest.
It works great.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

2018-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

We have one in the company vehicle fleet.  A 2006.  It has 240k miles 
and just keeps on going.


On 12/10/2018 10:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  My thought also, one of the absolute worst rental cars I've ever had. That 
they had the gall to call it an SUV only worsens the insult...
-Curt

 On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 8:48:03 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  I rented a PTC once. Once. What an execrable POS


--FT
Sent from iPhone


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wrote:

Would that also apply to PT Cruisers and Chevy HHTs?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: SPAM OT speaking of old things

That's good news - I never did any work with the Pentax cameras after the
M42 mount.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:30 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The newer Pentax DSLRs are really nice, and the capability of the older
> lenses is not impaired by the newer body, but obviously will not magically
> achieve the convenience of newer lenses. Exception: I have a Pentax
> telextender which provides autofocus with manual focus lenses.
>
> Any K mount or newer lenses are perfectly useable on the DSLRs, M42 lenses
> not so much.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Bennell via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 3:16 PM
> To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
> Cc: Randy Bennell
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT speaking of old things
>
> How is that working out for you? I have an old Pentax SLR and some
> lenses and have thought about buying a digital body to use with them.
>
> RB
>
> On 10/12/2018 4:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> > Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from
> film-era Pentaxes.
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

For once a year I'm perfectly willing to hand-wash the china.  I have inherited 
a set,
Spode, and also a sterling silverware set.  International Silver?  Both are 
12-place sets.
They were the "We made it" ware of my great aunt generation, which turned out 
to be
childless so all that stuff ended up in our family.  (They owned Columbia 
riverfront,
right near the I-5 bridge in WA.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

Check first - most brands changed lens mounts when they went digital. I
know that Nikon and Leitz kept the old mounts - I use old manual Nikkor
lenses on my D750 in manual mode -they work great, and the focus
confirmation is handy at times (500 f8 reflex lens for example). You can
use ancient Leica lenses on a new Leitz digital body, just without the
automation, unless you get a special bar code strip added that the body can
read.

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> How is that working out for you? I have an old Pentax SLR and some
> lenses and have thought about buying a digital body to use with them.
>
> RB
>
> On 10/12/2018 4:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> > Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from
> film-era Pentaxes.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

2018-12-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

View cameras are still current, are they not?  No digital sensor comes close to 
what an 8x10" sheet
of film can capture.  Also, the tilt/shift/focal-plane capabilities are 
indispensable.  They're no less a
pain in the ass than they ever were, but if you can power through the 
difficulties...  Wow.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

 Is it any good? At $199 I'd consider it...

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 5:44:19 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 This is the printer:

https://tinyurl.com/y8mhc9my

-D


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are now cheepchinee 3D printers on banggood and dx, $300 or less for 
> small ones that maybe have a 6in bed, you can put them right on a desk, I am 
> almost tempted to get one at some point just to play with it and learn how to 
> do it, then maybe build a good one like I did my CNC router machine.  They 
> sell all the bits too, really cheap.  Probably not something for high-quality 
> parts printing, but for random hacking and to learn it would be an easy way 
> to get into it.  Almost everything about them is now open-source, and free 
> software.
> 
> I bought a little 12x12 solid state diode laser engraver a couple years ago, 
> used it a bit but the software was crap, now there is much better software 
> that will control these little machines as well as my 60W big machine, I need 
> to get that going in my copious spare time too.
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 12/10/18 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>  They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking 
>>the first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 10 
>>years ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good one...
>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Curt,
My view of fine  China of  which we have a boat load is that it is,a
difference between a vintage Benz & a,Chevy or VW. Anyway.
Dwight

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 10, 2018 4:43 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>  Only good until its time to sell. ;)
> I took the dog for a walk and had a good think on this and had a couple
> thoughts.
> - I don't understand why antique dishes are "better" than modern, in fact
> considering Max's reference to the dishwasher I can see ways they aren't as
> good. When I first started out we bought some fake fiestaware at Wal-Mart.
> 19 years later its still fine, we don't use it much as the plates are
> really big. I'm not saying this in the "I know best" sense, I mean I don't
> know, there might be a reason, I just don't know it.
> - Everybody has something they're into, I like antique guns. I don't like
> the modern black plastic stuff. I understand that some people are into it
> but its just not my thing.
> - I don't understand looking down my nose at people who aren't into my
> thing. That seems to be a popular attitude though...
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:31:35 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Roger, if you're a collector you should be ECSTATIC if young people with
> $$s don't value what you want to purchase.  You will get better deals if
> demand drops.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I had to go back in my messages to see how we got here. I was replying to
> Clay who was suggesting that young people today can't make anything. I
> suggested 3 people who actually do make things which apparently wasn't
> enough for Roger who then seemed to suggest that young people not making
> things is why his business is declining.
> I've been consistent my argument, if you want to argue something else
> don't reply to my posts.
> -CurtWho values old things but not silverware or china.
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:10:37 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking
> antiques and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking
> about artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used
> to create them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young
> people are involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As
> always, I'm not pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may
> not agree with yours.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

I second KEH as the Rusty of used cameras. I recently sold my Leica
collection to them - they were the only cameras that I have that they were
interested in. Certainly not the Nikon F, F2, F3's. I kept the Hasselblad
500c because I really like the fine mechanical action and the way all the
parts go together.
The view cameras are also mostly worthless - anyone want an 8"x10" Linhof
rail view camera with lots of accessories? It was a really high end camera,
back in the day . . .

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I traded a Minolta XG and a bunch of lenses and related goodies to the
> 300D printing press guy in GA who used to be on here (what was his name???)
> for a burr style electric coffee bean grinder.  I looked into values and
> they really have none.  Very few people still shooting with film.
>
> For that matter, I used to shoot medium format with a Mamiya M645 Super
> and a Mamiya RB67, mostly the Super.  For what I paid for a used camera
> body 15 years ago I could buy the whole outfit today. The only thing that
> still has value is the glass.
>
> Go look at KEH Camera for values. Used camera broker that’s been in the
> business for years.  King (the owner) is a great guy who created one of the
> very best places to buy and sell used gear.  I’ve bought and sold with them
> many a time in the past. Super, super conservative in grading - I would buy
> stuff graded “Fair” and it would be like new.
>
> www.keh.com
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras,
> I know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 lenses
> (50mm and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One Canon
> SLR, also with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 35mm
> pocket cameras, Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly worthless,
> the lenses might fit something, i don't know.  I would hate to get rid of
> them, just because they are good pieces of work, but I have no idea what to
> do with them.
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Indeed it is, though for every day use our Corelle ware is fine. We use
Grandma's old china (bone, English, hand painted) for holiday meals, then
throw it in the dishwasher. It does fine. It is not microwave safe though,
get's too hot and cracks.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:59 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 10/12/2018 3:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > - I don't understand why antique dishes are "better" than modern, in
> fact considering Max's reference to the dishwasher I can see ways they
> aren't as good. When I first started out we bought some fake fiestaware at
> Wal-Mart. 19 years later its still fine, we don't use it much as the plates
> are really big. I'm not saying this in the "I know best" sense, I mean I
> don't know, there might be a reason, I just don't know it.
> >
> > -Curt
>
> > Fine china is better made than junk china. It is thinner, lighter,
> fancier and has a better glaze etc. When you set it on the table, it should
> sit flat and not rock about. Not all that difficult to see the difference
> between things that have been made with pride and those made fast and cheap
> in China to be sold in Wal-Mart. Most men probably could not care less
> about the dishes but many of the ladies do. My wife has, I don't know how
> many, sets of dishes. None of it hugely expensive but much of it quite nice
> and she loves it. She would collect more sets if our cupboards were not
> already full to overflowing.
> RB
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[MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use

Curt mentioned possible interest in an electric car for Angie when the time
comes, then I saw this today:

The Cheapest Electric Cars on the Market
- *2018 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive - *$24,650 | U.S. News Overall Score:
N/A
- *2018 Ford Focus Electric - *$29,120 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.7/10
- *2018 Hyundai Ioniq Electric - *$29,500 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.4/10
- *2018 Nissan Leaf - *$29,990 | U.S. News Overall Score: 7.7/10
- *2018 Volkswagen e-Golf - *$30,495 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.6/10
- *2019 Fiat 500e - *$32,995 | U.S. News Overall Score: 7.2/10
- *2018 Chevrolet Volt - *$33,220 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.4/10
- *2018 Honda Clarity EV - *$33,400 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.1/10
- *2019 Kia Soul EV - *$33,950 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.8/10
- *2019 Chevrolet Bolt - *$36,620 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.3/10
- *2019 Hyundai Kona EV - *$37,000 (est) | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.5/10
- *2018 BMW i3 - *$44,450 | U.S. News Overall Score: 8.2/10
- *2018 Tesla Model 3 - *$49,000 | U.S. News Overall Score: 9.0/10


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[MBZ] SPAM RE: SPAM OT speaking of old things

The newer Pentax DSLRs are really nice, and the capability of the older lenses 
is not impaired by the newer body, but obviously will not magically achieve the 
convenience of newer lenses. Exception: I have a Pentax telextender which 
provides autofocus with manual focus lenses.

Any K mount or newer lenses are perfectly useable on the DSLRs, M42 lenses not 
so much.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Bennell via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 3:16 PM
To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT speaking of old things

How is that working out for you? I have an old Pentax SLR and some 
lenses and have thought about buying a digital body to use with them.

RB

On 10/12/2018 4:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from 
> film-era Pentaxes.
>
>
> -Original Message-

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

How is that working out for you? I have an old Pentax SLR and some 
lenses and have thought about buying a digital body to use with them.


RB

On 10/12/2018 4:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from 
film-era Pentaxes.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

2018-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I got one for the wife a couple of years ago. She seems to love it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it dead 
> simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure cooking or even 
> sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver. Any of you doing this?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Scam? 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 350 Roadster 2D

That’s got to be a scam.

-D


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/336726783574066
> 
> Seller's Description
> 
> NO TITLE NO TITLE NO TITLE NO TITLE This car has been an absolute pleasure to 
> own, but I’m selling it to fund a new recently acquired project. Coming in at 
> 268 HP, the incredibly nimble and lightweight frame of this car let it freely 
> dance through curves and charge through straights at a moment's notice. 
> However, Mercedes ensures that your adventure takes place swaddled in nothing 
> but comfort, from the leather seats hugging you to your soundtrack coming 
> through the crisp premium audio system. This car isn’t without faults, the 
> biggest of which being that it is sold without a title (lost and 
> unrecoverable). However, perhaps for those of you that live in bonded title 
> states or with easier titling laws, this is the deal of a lifetime. A VIN 
> search shows no title defects: https://www.nicb.org/how-we-help/vincheck The 
> car also has a few mechanical and cosmetic defects. Contact me for more info, 
> and make me an offer- I’m VERY motivated to sell. Less 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

I tried donating mine to the local photography museum, which has free classes.  
No takers. They said they would take it but probably give it away to someone 
else…

-D

 
> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think some schools have photography classes where they do actual film. 
> Those SLRs would be adequate for student use. So, not worth much, but good 
> for a targeted donation?
> 
> Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from 
> film-era Pentaxes.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Floyd 
> Thursby via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 2:28 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Floyd Thursby
> Subject: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT speaking of old things
> 
> In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras, 
> I know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 
> lenses (50mm and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One 
> Canon SLR, also with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 
> 35mm pocket cameras, Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly 
> worthless, the lenses might fit something, i don't know.  I would hate 
> to get rid of them, just because they are good pieces of work, but I 
> have no idea what to do with them.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

This is the printer:

https://tinyurl.com/y8mhc9my

-D


> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are now cheepchinee 3D printers on banggood and dx, $300 or less for 
> small ones that maybe have a 6in bed, you can put them right on a desk, I am 
> almost tempted to get one at some point just to play with it and learn how to 
> do it, then maybe build a good one like I did my CNC router machine.  They 
> sell all the bits too, really cheap.  Probably not something for high-quality 
> parts printing, but for random hacking and to learn it would be an easy way 
> to get into it.  Almost everything about them is now open-source, and free 
> software.
> 
> I bought a little 12x12 solid state diode laser engraver a couple years ago, 
> used it a bit but the software was crap, now there is much better software 
> that will control these little machines as well as my 60W big machine, I need 
> to get that going in my copious spare time too.
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 12/10/18 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>  They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking 
>> the first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 
>> 10 years ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good 
>> one...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] OT: Instant Pot

My daughter recently got me going on Instant Pot. The controls make it dead 
simple to do sauteeing, steaming, slow cooking, and pressure cooking or even 
sous-vide. It works great and can be a big time-saver. Any of you doing this?

 

Greg

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[MBZ] Scam? 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 350 Roadster 2D


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/336726783574066

Seller's Description

NO TITLE NO TITLE NO TITLE NO TITLE This car has been an absolute 
pleasure to own, but I’m selling it to fund a new recently acquired 
project. Coming in at 268 HP, the incredibly nimble and lightweight 
frame of this car let it freely dance through curves and charge through 
straights at a moment's notice. However, Mercedes ensures that your 
adventure takes place swaddled in nothing but comfort, from the leather 
seats hugging you to your soundtrack coming through the crisp premium 
audio system. This car isn’t without faults, the biggest of which being 
that it is sold without a title (lost and unrecoverable). However, 
perhaps for those of you that live in bonded title states or with easier 
titling laws, this is the deal of a lifetime. A VIN search shows no 
title defects: https://www.nicb.org/how-we-help/vincheck The car also 
has a few mechanical and cosmetic defects. Contact me for more info, and 
make me an offer- I’m VERY motivated to sell. Less 




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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

I think some schools have photography classes where they do actual film. Those 
SLRs would be adequate for student use. So, not worth much, but good for a 
targeted donation?

Greg, who has Pentax cameras which can utilize nice vintage lenses from 
film-era Pentaxes.



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Thursby via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 2:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT speaking of old things

In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras, 
I know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 
lenses (50mm and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One 
Canon SLR, also with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 
35mm pocket cameras, Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly 
worthless, the lenses might fit something, i don't know.  I would hate 
to get rid of them, just because they are good pieces of work, but I 
have no idea what to do with them.

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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

Poos now has a bidness oppty!  And gears for the speedos! (I think I ran 
across some files for these at some point a coupla years ago)


-FFT


On 12/10/18 5:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
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Cc: Greg Fiorentino
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D Parts -
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:18:21 -0800
Sender: "Mercedes"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1480687

Greg

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via Mercedes Sent: Monday, December 03, 2018 2:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D Parts -

Visor clips sound like a perfect use for a 3D printer.



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Re: [MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

I traded a Minolta XG and a bunch of lenses and related goodies to the 300D 
printing press guy in GA who used to be on here (what was his name???) for a 
burr style electric coffee bean grinder.  I looked into values and they really 
have none.  Very few people still shooting with film.

For that matter, I used to shoot medium format with a Mamiya M645 Super and a 
Mamiya RB67, mostly the Super.  For what I paid for a used camera body 15 years 
ago I could buy the whole outfit today. The only thing that still has value is 
the glass.

Go look at KEH Camera for values. Used camera broker that’s been in the 
business for years.  King (the owner) is a great guy who created one of the 
very best places to buy and sell used gear.  I’ve bought and sold with them 
many a time in the past. Super, super conservative in grading - I would buy 
stuff graded “Fair” and it would be like new.

www.keh.com

-D

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras, I 
> know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 lenses (50mm 
> and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One Canon SLR, also 
> with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 35mm pocket cameras, 
> Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly worthless, the lenses might fit 
> something, i don't know.  I would hate to get rid of them, just because they 
> are good pieces of work, but I have no idea what to do with them.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

There are now cheepchinee 3D printers on banggood and dx, $300 or less 
for small ones that maybe have a 6in bed, you can put them right on a 
desk, I am almost tempted to get one at some point just to play with it 
and learn how to do it, then maybe build a good one like I did my CNC 
router machine.  They sell all the bits too, really cheap.  Probably not 
something for high-quality parts printing, but for random hacking and to 
learn it would be an easy way to get into it.  Almost everything about 
them is now open-source, and free software.


I bought a little 12x12 solid state diode laser engraver a couple years 
ago, used it a bit but the software was crap, now there is much better 
software that will control these little machines as well as my 60W big 
machine, I need to get that going in my copious spare time too.


Let us know how it goes.

--FT


On 12/10/18 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking the 
first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 10 years 
ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good one...
-Curt

 



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[MBZ] SPAM OT speaking of old things

In cleaning out a closet I found 3 really nice "old" 35mm film cameras, 
I know 2 of them are 36.5yo, Olympus and Minolta SLRs, both with 2 
lenses (50mm and zoom telephotos) and flashes, very good condition.  One 
Canon SLR, also with flash and 2 lenses also VG.  And a couple of small 
35mm pocket cameras, Canon and Nikon. I guess this stuff is fairly 
worthless, the lenses might fit something, i don't know.  I would hate 
to get rid of them, just because they are good pieces of work, but I 
have no idea what to do with them.


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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

2018-12-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:44:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing
> about this thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a
> filament.
> 
> There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D
> printing and an online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can
> someone forward that information to me?
> 
> Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know
> where the best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of
> course, but t would be nice to have some direction from someone who has
> gone before me…




From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D Parts -
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:18:21 -0800
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https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1480687

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D Parts -

Visor clips sound like a perfect use for a 3D printer.
















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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

Thanks, Greg!  Especially for the personal insight.  I’ve noticed that there 
are many low cost upgrades on the Island of Large Wimmen that appear to enhance 
the functionality of these machines, too.

I’m going to have to dust off one of my Windows laptops and put it to use as it 
appears that Macs are not supported.

-D

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan:
> 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/
> 
> Is the place to find ready-to-print files.
> 
> Autodesk has a free software called 123d design that you can use to design 
> your own items.
> 
> Most use PLA filament to start with, it prints easily but has a low melting 
> point (not suitable for automotive) and is not very strong. ABS is stronger 
> and suitable for higher temperatures, but is fussier to print and emits 
> unpleasant fumes.
> 
> I have settled on PETG for my default material. It prints pretty well, is 
> stronger than PLA, and survives temperatures in the passenger compartment of 
> a car.
> 
> I get my supplies from the River of Big Wimmen.
> 
> My printer is a Qidi, it's an open source design with a heated bed and dual 
> nozzles. I have added a glass bed and use hairspray to ensure good bend 
> adhesion.
> 
> The software that creates the machine instructions from the STL files is 
> called a "slicer" there are several free slicers available, but I have opted 
> for the Simplify 3D commercial slicer.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:45 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] 3D Printer
> 
> I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about 
> this thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.
> 
> There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and 
> an online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
> information to me?
> 
> Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
> best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t 
> would be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

 They've come an awfully long way in a relatively short time. I'm thinking the 
first I heard of 3d printing as a reasonable home type thing was maybe 10 years 
ago. Prices are now in the sub $1000 range for a reasonably good one...
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 5:02:36 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Good luck! From what I understand it is complicated and there is a real 
learning curve. I participate in a metal working forum that was 
initially about lathes and milling machine work etc but seems to have 
evolved into a forum about these printers. I don't have one and have no 
intention of acquiring one any time soon but I continue to read most of it.

RB

On 10/12/2018 3:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Super cool. I've pondered this a few times.Thingverse is where you go for 
>pre-made plans to print stuff. I've been eyeing some miniature Atari stuff, 
>theres a 1050 disk drive that can hold an SD card reader that looks really 
>cool.
> Theres so much 3d printing stuff out there, I like Bob at I like to Make 
> Stuff, he's got several "Bits" videos that give basic info on all sorts of 
> stuff, including 3d printing: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bccT1Ll15I=PLice_sU_6RfiaNCNTd-ngE4IuH_vAydpa
>
> -Curt
>
>      On Monday, December 10, 2018, 4:45:22 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>  
>  I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about 
>this thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.
>
> There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and 
> an online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
> information to me?
>
> Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
> best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t 
> would be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 My Wal-Mart plates sit flat, they really do look like Fiestaware from a 
distance. I've made ever so many loaves of bread in the serving bowls which sit 
nice and don't skitter around while I'm mixing.
Again I don't see any "better" in more expensive dishes. We do have some 
expensive dishes and recently I was very sad when one of our handmade bowls got 
broken. We'd had it maybe 10 years, not sure if that potter is still in 
business.
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 4:59:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 10/12/2018 3:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> - I don't understand why antique dishes are "better" than modern, in fact 
> considering Max's reference to the dishwasher I can see ways they aren't as 
> good. When I first started out we bought some fake fiestaware at Wal-Mart. 19 
> years later its still fine, we don't use it much as the plates are really 
> big. I'm not saying this in the "I know best" sense, I mean I don't know, 
> there might be a reason, I just don't know it.
>
> -Curt

> Fine china is better made than junk china. It is thinner, lighter, fancier 
> and has a better glaze etc. When you set it on the table, it should sit flat 
> and not rock about. Not all that difficult to see the difference between 
> things that have been made with pride and those made fast and cheap in China 
> to be sold in Wal-Mart. Most men probably could not care less about the 
> dishes but many of the ladies do. My wife has, I don't know how many, sets of 
> dishes. None of it hugely expensive but much of it quite nice and she loves 
> it. She would collect more sets if our cupboards were not already full to 
> overflowing.
RB


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Re: [MBZ] Under battery rust repair

Those are all clear.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 4:14 PM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Look at the under hood drain holes in the
> hood hinge area and the sunroof drain.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Driver's side or PS?  My driver's side does the same thing but the PS
> > remains dry (where the battery tray is located) on my W123 300TD wagon.
> > The w/s and rubber seal have been replaced but it still gets wet via the
> > firewall or fender sea,.  I replaced the front driver's side seal and
> > cracked grommet so that's not the source.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes front and rear foot wells get wet but water puddles in rear. Front
> >> carpet has rotted now. Will need to replace.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 8, 2018, at 9:06 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> So the front footwell gets wet too but it accumulates in the back so is
> >> more noticeable
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
> >>>  Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-12-07  5:17 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> >> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Jim Cathey <
> >> jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Under battery rust repair
> >>> W123 battery in the same place as W201 and W126, on the engine
> firewall.
> >>>
> >>> Water flows downhill, the rear footwells are the lowest point in the
> car.
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

Dan:

https://www.thingiverse.com/

Is the place to find ready-to-print files.

Autodesk has a free software called 123d design that you can use to design your 
own items.

Most use PLA filament to start with, it prints easily but has a low melting 
point (not suitable for automotive) and is not very strong. ABS is stronger and 
suitable for higher temperatures, but is fussier to print and emits unpleasant 
fumes.

I have settled on PETG for my default material. It prints pretty well, is 
stronger than PLA, and survives temperatures in the passenger compartment of a 
car.

I get my supplies from the River of Big Wimmen.

My printer is a Qidi, it's an open source design with a heated bed and dual 
nozzles. I have added a glass bed and use hairspray to ensure good bend 
adhesion.

The software that creates the machine instructions from the STL files is called 
a "slicer" there are several free slicers available, but I have opted for the 
Simplify 3D commercial slicer.

HTH

Greg

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via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:45 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] 3D Printer

I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about this 
thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.

There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and an 
online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
information to me?

Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t would 
be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

Good luck! From what I understand it is complicated and there is a real 
learning curve. I participate in a metal working forum that was 
initially about lathes and milling machine work etc but seems to have 
evolved into a forum about these printers. I don't have one and have no 
intention of acquiring one any time soon but I continue to read most of it.


RB

On 10/12/2018 3:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Super cool. I've pondered this a few times.Thingverse is where you go for 
pre-made plans to print stuff. I've been eyeing some miniature Atari stuff, 
theres a 1050 disk drive that can hold an SD card reader that looks really cool.
Theres so much 3d printing stuff out there, I like Bob at I like to Make Stuff, he's got 
several "Bits" videos that give basic info on all sorts of stuff, including 3d 
printing: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bccT1Ll15I=PLice_sU_6RfiaNCNTd-ngE4IuH_vAydpa

-Curt

 On Monday, December 10, 2018, 4:45:22 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about this thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.


There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and an 
online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
information to me?

Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t would 
be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things


On 10/12/2018 3:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

- I don't understand why antique dishes are "better" than modern, in fact considering 
Max's reference to the dishwasher I can see ways they aren't as good. When I first started out we 
bought some fake fiestaware at Wal-Mart. 19 years later its still fine, we don't use it much as the 
plates are really big. I'm not saying this in the "I know best" sense, I mean I don't 
know, there might be a reason, I just don't know it.

-Curt



Fine china is better made than junk china. It is thinner, lighter, fancier and 
has a better glaze etc. When you set it on the table, it should sit flat and 
not rock about. Not all that difficult to see the difference between things 
that have been made with pride and those made fast and cheap in China to be 
sold in Wal-Mart. Most men probably could not care less about the dishes but 
many of the ladies do. My wife has, I don't know how many, sets of dishes. None 
of it hugely expensive but much of it quite nice and she loves it. She would 
collect more sets if our cupboards were not already full to overflowing.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Once again, you are not paying attention. Roger is mostly a vendor of 
antiques. Look at his signature line.


RB


On 10/12/2018 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Roger, if you're a collector you should be ECSTATIC if young people with
$$s don't value what you want to purchase.  You will get better deals if
demand drops.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


  I had to go back in my messages to see how we got here. I was replying to
Clay who was suggesting that young people today can't make anything. I
suggested 3 people who actually do make things which apparently wasn't
enough for Roger who then seemed to suggest that young people not making
things is why his business is declining.
I've been consistent my argument, if you want to argue something else
don't reply to my posts.
-CurtWho values old things but not silverware or china.

 On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:10:37 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking
antiques and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking
about artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used
to create them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young
people are involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As
always, I'm not pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may
not agree with yours.

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] 3D Printer

 Super cool. I've pondered this a few times.Thingverse is where you go for 
pre-made plans to print stuff. I've been eyeing some miniature Atari stuff, 
theres a 1050 disk drive that can hold an SD card reader that looks really cool.
Theres so much 3d printing stuff out there, I like Bob at I like to Make Stuff, 
he's got several "Bits" videos that give basic info on all sorts of stuff, 
including 3d printing: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bccT1Ll15I=PLice_sU_6RfiaNCNTd-ngE4IuH_vAydpa

-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 4:45:22 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about this 
thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.

There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and an 
online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
information to me?

Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t would 
be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…

Thanks!

-D
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[MBZ] 3D Printer

I now have access to a Creality Ender-3 3D printer.  I know nothing about this 
thing but plan on learning.  Looks like it prints using a filament.

There were discussions recently in one of these groups about 3D printing and an 
online repository of files for Mercedes parts.  Can someone forward that 
information to me?

Also, if anyone here is doing any 3D printing, I would love to know where the 
best resources are online.  I’ll be doing some googling, of course, but t would 
be nice to have some direction from someone who has gone before me…

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 Only good until its time to sell. ;)
I took the dog for a walk and had a good think on this and had a couple 
thoughts.
- I don't understand why antique dishes are "better" than modern, in fact 
considering Max's reference to the dishwasher I can see ways they aren't as 
good. When I first started out we bought some fake fiestaware at Wal-Mart. 19 
years later its still fine, we don't use it much as the plates are really big. 
I'm not saying this in the "I know best" sense, I mean I don't know, there 
might be a reason, I just don't know it.
- Everybody has something they're into, I like antique guns. I don't like the 
modern black plastic stuff. I understand that some people are into it but its 
just not my thing.
- I don't understand looking down my nose at people who aren't into my thing. 
That seems to be a popular attitude though...
-Curt



On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:31:35 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Roger, if you're a collector you should be ECSTATIC if young people with $$s 
don't value what you want to purchase.  You will get better deals if demand 
drops.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 I had to go back in my messages to see how we got here. I was replying to Clay 
who was suggesting that young people today can't make anything. I suggested 3 
people who actually do make things which apparently wasn't enough for Roger who 
then seemed to suggest that young people not making things is why his business 
is declining.
I've been consistent my argument, if you want to argue something else don't 
reply to my posts.
-CurtWho values old things but not silverware or china.

    On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:10:37 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking antiques 
and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking about 
artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used to create 
them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young people are 
involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As always, I'm not 
pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may not agree with 
yours. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Under battery rust repair

2018-12-10 Thread MG via Mercedes

Look at the under hood drain holes in the 
hood hinge area and the sunroof drain.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Driver's side or PS?  My driver's side does the same thing but the PS
remains dry (where the battery tray is located) on my W123 300TD wagon.
The w/s and rubber seal have been replaced but it still gets wet via the
firewall or fender sea,.  I replaced the front driver's side seal and
cracked grommet so that's not the source.

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:


Yes front and rear foot wells get wet but water puddles in rear. Front
carpet has rotted now. Will need to replace.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 8, 2018, at 9:06 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes 

wrote:

So the front footwell gets wet too but it accumulates in the back so is

more noticeable


Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-12-07  5:17 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Jim Cathey <
jim.cathey...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Under battery rust repair

W123 battery in the same place as W201 and W126, on the engine firewall.

Water flows downhill, the rear footwells are the lowest point in the car.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Roger, if you're a collector you should be ECSTATIC if young people with
$$s don't value what you want to purchase.  You will get better deals if
demand drops.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I had to go back in my messages to see how we got here. I was replying to
> Clay who was suggesting that young people today can't make anything. I
> suggested 3 people who actually do make things which apparently wasn't
> enough for Roger who then seemed to suggest that young people not making
> things is why his business is declining.
> I've been consistent my argument, if you want to argue something else
> don't reply to my posts.
> -CurtWho values old things but not silverware or china.
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:10:37 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking
> antiques and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking
> about artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used
> to create them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young
> people are involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As
> always, I'm not pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may
> not agree with yours.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

Thanks for the info. Since we have more than one car time would not be an
issue so I might just use the 110V setup..

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:11 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I forget the numbers exactly but the 660v "Super charger" charges the
> battery in like 1 hour, 220v is like 4-5 hours and 110v is like 8-10 hours.
>
> If I were going electric I'd spring for 220v...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:01:56 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles.  I assume it's possible to
> trickle charge in a110 setup?.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was
> like 120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most
> folks thats a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge
> at work.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating
> and cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was
> a fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts
> away I may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't
> anywhere near as ugly as the old one.
>
> EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've
> got to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even
> in the winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as
> it'll have heat right away.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
> one?
>
> On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"  >
> wrote:
>
> > I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video
> game
> > to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel
> you
> > are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> > I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> > gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> > japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> > motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> > industry jumped the shark decades ago.
> >
> >
> > clay monroe
> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> > improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> > >
> > > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> > they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> > leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> > efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> > 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was
> pretty
> > well “leafed” out.
> > >
> > > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> > would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you
> drove
> > for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to
> improve
> > mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> > try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> > 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30
> and
> > as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> > >>
> > >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> > quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> > conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> > >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> > and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding
> in
> > it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> > >>
> > >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> > the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> > Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> > the gooberment mandated "improvements."I believe 1983 was the high
> > point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> > meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> > Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.
> [yes,
> > I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is

Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 I had to go back in my messages to see how we got here. I was replying to Clay 
who was suggesting that young people today can't make anything. I suggested 3 
people who actually do make things which apparently wasn't enough for Roger who 
then seemed to suggest that young people not making things is why his business 
is declining.
I've been consistent my argument, if you want to argue something else don't 
reply to my posts.
-CurtWho values old things but not silverware or china.

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:10:37 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking antiques 
and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking about 
artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used to create 
them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young people are 
involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As always, I'm not 
pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may not agree with 
yours. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

 I forget the numbers exactly but the 660v "Super charger" charges the battery 
in like 1 hour, 220v is like 4-5 hours and 110v is like 8-10 hours.

If I were going electric I'd spring for 220v...
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 3:01:56 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles.  I assume it's possible to 
trickle charge in a110 setup?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

 The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was like 
120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most folks thats 
a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge at work.
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating and 
cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

 When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was a 
fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts away I 
may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't anywhere near 
as ugly as the old one.
EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've got 
to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even in the 
winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as it'll have 
heat right away.
-Curt


On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
one?

On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video game
> to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel you
> are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> industry jumped the shark decades ago.
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> >
> > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was pretty
> well “leafed” out.
> >
> > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you drove
> for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to improve
> mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30 and
> as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> >>
> >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding in
> it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> >>
> >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> the gooberment mandated "improvements."    I believe 1983 was the high
> point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.  [yes,
> I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is goober-speak, reflecting the
> "improvements" mandated.]
> >>
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:
> >>>
> >>> I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd satisfaction from a
> vehicle that gives better than expected fuel economy. I loved my Saab 99,
> but it got 24mpg, didn't seem to matter much whether in town or open road,
> while my backup car, a $435 rusty POS 1980 Citation I bought in

Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread ROGER HALE via Mercedes

Well, I guess we are on different topics/issues/views.  I'm talking antiques 
and appreciation for the "value of old things".  I'm not talking about 
artsy/craftsy things that are new, regardless of the techniques used to create 
them.  I'm glad there is an arts and crafts movement and young people are 
involved.  But I'm in to antiques, not arts and crafts.  As always, I'm not 
pushing an argument, just stating my view, which may or may not agree with 
yours. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Floyd uttered the magic words:  *"My daughter is managing a small brewery
now."*

Very cool.  Let me know where so I can collect my
diesel/senior/government/Dad's friend discount when ordering a  few
pints...,

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:54 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think you two are talking about two different things. Curt is talking
> about younger folks who make things and Roger is lamenting the fact that
> the younger folks do not seem to value the things that their parents and
> grandparents collected.
>
> To that extent you are both right. Lots of folks on the internet sharing
> their projects etc.
> Unfortunately, The china and furniture that grandma collected and left
> behind are being junked because the kids already have more stuff than
> they know what to do with and the grand kids have no interest (at least
> at this stage in their lives). Maybe the issue is that people just have
> so much stuff these days that they don't need to acquire more. They just
> have no room for it at home?
>
> RB
>
> On 10/12/2018 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >   I point you to a community and you complain because I only listed 3
> specific people when you get to make blanket statements? Thats not much of
> an argument.
> > Its really easy to say "nobody is doing x" when you don't go out looking
> for people doing it.
> > In the '60s did people's parents complain that you weren't driving a
> Model A? Times change, the thinks previous generations valued aren't of as
> great a value to new generations, this is nothing new.
> > Seems like young folks today value experiences more than things, as
> somebody weighed down by things (many of them quite old) I can understand
> that. I don't understand the "millennial hate" that boomers seem to have,
> it seems like boomers don't have enough to do, they're all basically
> sitting on their front porch "You kids get offa my lawn!"
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >  On Monday, December 10, 2018, 1:02:14 PM EST, ROGER HALE via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >   So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a
> few younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see
> everyday the many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them
> did, my sales would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down
> on eBay, at antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.
> They don't want to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll
> take care of that phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable
> stuff.  Anyway, keep looking, I hope you find more to count.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > Roger Hale
>
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 Combine that with younger folks often having smaller living spaces.I've got my 
great grandmother's china closet in a storage shed up north but we have no 
china nor anywhere to put such a big piece, our house is too small and its too 
big. Its also too fragile, the glass would get broke, the veneer chipped, its 
getting ruined in storage but at least I don't have to see it getting ruined in 
my house.
Nobody else in the family wants it either, I'd let any of them take it, 
everybody has the same problem, too much of their own stuff already.
The other thing is that I don't think many of us understand fine china or 
silverware. Most of our silverware came from yard sales, it works, its better 
than Wal-Mart stuff (we do agree on quality things) but I can't see having 
plates or silverware I don't use every day. If what I eat on isn't good enough 
for a "special occasion" than I don't think that special occasion is important 
enough to be at my house.
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 2:54:30 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think you two are talking about two different things. Curt is talking 
about younger folks who make things and Roger is lamenting the fact that 
the younger folks do not seem to value the things that their parents and 
grandparents collected.

To that extent you are both right. Lots of folks on the internet sharing 
their projects etc.
Unfortunately, The china and furniture that grandma collected and left 
behind are being junked because the kids already have more stuff than 
they know what to do with and the grand kids have no interest (at least 
at this stage in their lives). Maybe the issue is that people just have 
so much stuff these days that they don't need to acquire more. They just 
have no room for it at home?

RB

On 10/12/2018 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I point you to a community and you complain because I only listed 3 specific 
>people when you get to make blanket statements? Thats not much of an argument.
> Its really easy to say "nobody is doing x" when you don't go out looking for 
> people doing it.
> In the '60s did people's parents complain that you weren't driving a Model A? 
> Times change, the thinks previous generations valued aren't of as great a 
> value to new generations, this is nothing new.
> Seems like young folks today value experiences more than things, as somebody 
> weighed down by things (many of them quite old) I can understand that. I 
> don't understand the "millennial hate" that boomers seem to have, it seems 
> like boomers don't have enough to do, they're all basically sitting on their 
> front porch "You kids get offa my lawn!"
>
> -Curt
>
>      On Monday, December 10, 2018, 1:02:14 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>  
>  So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
>younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
>many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
>would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at 
>antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't want 
>to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of that 
>phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep 
>looking, I hope you find more to count.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hale


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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

Thanks for the tip. My RT commute is 13 miles.  I assume it's possible to
trickle charge in a110 setup?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was
> like 120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most
> folks thats a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge
> at work.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating
> and cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was
> a fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts
> away I may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't
> anywhere near as ugly as the old one.
>
> EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've
> got to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even
> in the winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as
> it'll have heat right away.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
> one?
>
> On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"  >
> wrote:
>
> > I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video
> game
> > to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel
> you
> > are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> > I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> > gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> > japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> > motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> > industry jumped the shark decades ago.
> >
> >
> > clay monroe
> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> > improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> > >
> > > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> > they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> > leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> > efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> > 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was
> pretty
> > well “leafed” out.
> > >
> > > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> > would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you
> drove
> > for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to
> improve
> > mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> > try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> > 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30
> and
> > as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> > >>
> > >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> > quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> > conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> > >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> > and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding
> in
> > it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> > >>
> > >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> > the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> > Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> > the gooberment mandated "improvements."I believe 1983 was the high
> > point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> > meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> > Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.
> [yes,
> > I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is goober-speak, reflecting the
> > "improvements" mandated.]
> > >>
> > >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd satisfaction from a
> > vehicle that gives better than expected fuel economy. I loved my Saab 99,
> > but it got 24mpg, didn't seem to matter much whether in town or open
> road,
> > while my backup car, a $435 rusty POS 1980 Citation I bought in 1985 with
> > 145,000 miles on it, would get 39 mpg indicated, 37 mpg

Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

I think you two are talking about two different things. Curt is talking
about younger folks who make things and Roger is lamenting the fact that
the younger folks do not seem to value the things that their parents and
grandparents collected.

To that extent you are both right. Lots of folks on the internet sharing
their projects etc.
Unfortunately, The china and furniture that grandma collected and left
behind are being junked because the kids already have more stuff than
they know what to do with and the grand kids have no interest (at least
at this stage in their lives). Maybe the issue is that people just have
so much stuff these days that they don't need to acquire more. They just
have no room for it at home?

On 10/12/2018 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I point you to a community and you complain because I only listed 3 specific
people when you get to make blanket statements? Thats not much of an argument.
Its really easy to say "nobody is doing x" when you don't go out looking for
people doing it.
In the '60s did people's parents complain that you weren't driving a Model A?
Times change, the thinks previous generations valued aren't of as great a value
to new generations, this is nothing new.
Seems like young folks today value experiences more than things, as somebody weighed down by things
(many of them quite old) I can understand that. I don't understand the "millennial hate"
that boomers seem to have, it seems like boomers don't have enough to do, they're all basically
sitting on their front porch "You kids get offa my lawn!"

-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 1:02:14 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes
wrote:

So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples? Yes, there are a few younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the many, many, many younger folks that do not. If more of them did, my sales would be really good, but they aren't. And prices are down on eBay, at antique stores, auctions, etc. Young folks want disposable. They don't want to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc. Now, they'll take care of that phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff. Anyway, keep looking, I hope you find more to count.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Compost from road kill (Mitch Haley)

Wow, that's a blast from the past.  At first I thought you meant Reagan.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:26 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I thought Regan was the king of "I don't recall."
>
> -Curt
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:00:37 PM EST, Curley McLain via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  " I do not recall" Right up there with "depends on what yer definition
> of is is"   They BOTH need Depends!  (for both ends)
>
> G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 12/9/18 9:53 PM:
> > Thanks, those are the ones I have I was not correct in what I paid
> for
> > them and where I got them.. U senior moment?
> >
> > Or the Hillary defense.. "I do not recall" ?
> >
> > In any case, you nailed it them is it...
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Silverware / fine china:  My rule is that if it can't go in the dishwasher,
I have no need for it.

Maybe Rodger needs to patent a new dishwasher soap and idiot-proof
instructions that are safe for silver / fine china?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

In that regard, here in Charleston is the American College of the 
Building Arts that was established ten or so years ago.  They teach old 
skills -- timber framing, plasterwork, furniture, iron working, and some 
other stuff.  All the kids (both young men and women) get a job, a buddy 
of mine hired a coupla timber framers right out of the program.  Others 
are working on restorations or have their own craft businesses and are 
doing well, they are not afraid of work it seems. They just got some 
sort of accreditation and are doing well.  One of the guys who started 
our local woodworkers guild teaches furniture making there.  The club 
has quite a few younger members, men and women (one in her mid 20s does 
some really nice woodturning) too, these days, in Houston it was mostly 
a bunch of old farts then some younger guys started showing up and the 
group got bigger and the younger members appreciated the knowledge from 
the old farts.  One young guy has published articles in Fine 
Woodworking, I remember when he first walked in with his mother to a 
meeting, and was asking about tools and such, he proceeded to acquire 
tools and learn and was soon building some beautiful things.


I think with the electronics revolution, all the components and software 
and computers and stuff becoming dirt cheap and accessible, has sparked 
a new kind of "craft" revolution -- 3D printers, laser cutters, CNC 
machines, robotics, all kinds of cool stuff that is sorta analogous 
these days to hot rods and metal shop for creativity and pushing the 
envelope.  There are some young guys I met last month here on the Island 
who have some warehouse space and have set up 2 big CNC machines and are 
making all kinds of stuff, kinda like the factories were doing in the 
late 1800s with the CNC machines of the day (cf. old Victorian 
gingerbread and such).  Another guy is doing high-end kitchens and 
built-ins and doing quite well, he has a numerical controlled table saw 
(of sorts) and subs stuff out to the CNC guys.  I talked to him about 
this other outfit I knew about that has CNC cabinet making 
machines/programs, he was all over that.  The CNC guys have started 
working on this https://github.com/wikihouseproject/Wren/wiki/About-Wren 
which is very advanced building technique, they have made some 
prototypes and are working on getting US certification.


My daughter is managing a small brewery now, that whole new industry has 
grown like wildfire just the last few years, young people mostly getting 
into it, a very crafty kind of thing, and they are adapting the "old 
ways" to the new technology and business opportunities, some of the 
breweries look like a surgical suite with all the computer controls on 
the tanks.


So, yeah, all us old farts always bemoan "these young people" but I 
think their interests are similar but have shifted to integrate new 
knowledge and technology, and some things don't matter to them as much 
as other things.  Progress I guess...


-FT


On 12/10/18 1:01 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few younger folks 
that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the many, many, many 
younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales would be really good, but they 
aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at antique stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want 
disposable.  They don't want to polish silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take 
care of that phone or computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep 
looking, I hope you find more to count.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 I point you to a community and you complain because I only listed 3 specific 
people when you get to make blanket statements? Thats not much of an argument.
Its really easy to say "nobody is doing x" when you don't go out looking for 
people doing it.
In the '60s did people's parents complain that you weren't driving a Model A? 
Times change, the thinks previous generations valued aren't of as great a value 
to new generations, this is nothing new.
Seems like young folks today value experiences more than things, as somebody 
weighed down by things (many of them quite old) I can understand that. I don't 
understand the "millennial hate" that boomers seem to have, it seems like 
boomers don't have enough to do, they're all basically sitting on their front 
porch "You kids get offa my lawn!"

-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 1:02:14 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at antique 
stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't want to polish 
silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of that phone or 
computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep looking, I 
hope you find more to count.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

 The kid at the dealership was driving one, IIRC the "official" range was like 
120 miles, he said 80 was reasonable with heat and/or AC. For most folks thats 
a reasonable daily round trip, even better if you could charge at work.
-Curt

On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:46:20 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating and 
cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

 When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was a 
fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts away I 
may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't anywhere near 
as ugly as the old one.
EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've got 
to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even in the 
winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as it'll have 
heat right away.
-Curt


On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
one?

On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video game
> to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel you
> are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> industry jumped the shark decades ago.
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> >
> > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was pretty
> well “leafed” out.
> >
> > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you drove
> for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to improve
> mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30 and
> as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> >>
> >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding in
> it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> >>
> >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> the gooberment mandated "improvements."    I believe 1983 was the high
> point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.  [yes,
> I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is goober-speak, reflecting the
> "improvements" mandated.]
> >>
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:
> >>>
> >>> I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd satisfaction from a
> vehicle that gives better than expected fuel economy. I loved my Saab 99,
> but it got 24mpg, didn't seem to matter much whether in town or open road,
> while my backup car, a $435 rusty POS 1980 Citation I bought in 1985 with
> 145,000 miles on it, would get 39 mpg indicated, 37 mpg actual, in rural
> driving in warm weather. The mpg was one reason I was fond of that
> Citation, another was its extreme utility, I could carry 1000lb of tools
> and tool cabinets in it and it never complained. Back when gas was 80-90
> cents a gallon I never felt any pain filling up the Saab, but filling the
> Citation always felt good. Funny thing is, I have no idea what mpg

Re: [MBZ] pickup for Dimitri

 Really nice, the 304 is a good engine, maybe 10mpg compared to 6 from the 
392...
-Curt

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:20:43 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 A bit far away, but it won't depreciate much

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-INTERNATIONAL-TRUCK-HARVESTER-TRUCK-1200D-FRAME-OFF-RESTORED/173649701975?hash=item286e542c57:g:rpEAAOSw7R9b8tXs:rk:19:pf:0=mtr


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Compost from road kill (Mitch Haley)

 I thought Regan was the king of "I don't recall."

-Curt

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:00:37 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 " I do not recall" Right up there with "depends on what yer definition 
of is is"   They BOTH need Depends!  (for both ends)

G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 12/9/18 9:53 PM:
> Thanks, those are the ones I have I was not correct in what I paid for
> them and where I got them.. U senior moment?
>
> Or the Hillary defense.. "I do not recall" ?
>
> In any case, you nailed it them is it...
>


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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

2018-12-10 Thread ROGER HALE via Mercedes

So Curt, are 3 people all you can find as examples?  Yes, there are a few 
younger folks that still appreciate the "old things", but I see everyday the 
many, many, many younger folks that do not.  If more of them did, my sales 
would be really good, but they aren't.  And prices are down on eBay, at antique 
stores, auctions, etc.  Young folks want disposable.  They don't want to polish 
silver, hand wash glasses, etc.  Now, they'll take care of that phone or 
computer, but heck with the really valuable stuff.  Anyway, keep looking, I 
hope you find more to count.

Best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

Just go to a craft show.  You will be blown away by all the skilled
artisans, not to mention those with artistic talent to boot.  All age
groups are represented.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:36 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  You're showing your age, I remember just 30 years ago being told "Kids
> today can't do math without a calculator, can't cook, can't make anything."
> yet the maker movement is in full swing, if you have any doubt look at
> YouTube. April Wilkerson is a millennial after all and a fine woodworker.
> Alex French Guy cooking is a fine chef in his 30s, gosh maybe even younger.
> Especially check out Alec Steele a fine metal worker still very young with
> energy and enthusiasm unlike most folks.
>
> I know, I know, the world was better when you were a kid when you marched
> to school uphill both ways...
> -Curt
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 12:45:51 AM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  The kids do not do any actually cooking.  They are not as crafty or
> manually dexterous either.  I was reading an article about how the new
> breed of doctor can not perform basic surgical tasks, because they lack the
> fine motor skills and never were exposed to things like sewing or other
> crafty things.  They are really good at manipulating the ipad with the
> patient charts though.
>
> I think the lack of regard for traditional housewares is due to the people
> having kids since the 1960’s.  A reaction to the “old” ways that they grew
> up in.  Just can’t be like mom and dad with Grandma’s good china and the
> silver.  Too Bougie for them.  So they did not inculcate an appreciation
> for quality furniture, china, silver or etiquette.  Their children are
> under educated, uncultured boors who think nothing of eating off plastic
> plates and know only how to micro nuke a bag of popped corn.
>
> Just my view from high atop my pompous mole hill
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 6:43 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> >  What you mentioned about furniture and other old things is sadly
> true.  Young people today want disposable dinnerware, less furniture, and
> lack any idea of quality and the craftsmanship it takes to create quality.
> Our sales have declined over the last few years.  We never really dealt in
> furniture, especially big stuff.  We see it at auctions and estate sales
> and it goes for really cheap prices...sad to see.  Young folks display big
> TVs, electronic gizmos, etc. etc. , things that wear out and are
> disposable.  They use cheap dinnerware and flatware and glasses, none of
> which need a nice hutch, sideboard, or cabinet to display.  Holding a fine
> piece of silver flatware in your hand and comparing it to the cheap
> Wal-Mart offerings is amazing.  I help my wife polish silverware when we
> get new pieces to keep or to sell.  It's pleasing to see the craftsmanship
> that went into things made in the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s.  The feel
> is just amazing.
> >
> >So, if you have some old nice items, value them, use them, and
> display them.  Let them bring you joy, especially at the holidays.
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Craig coupon captures cheepchineechit crowfoots — C^^7

 Oh, that reminds me, when we were at deer camp the batteries in the solar 
system ran low (it was cold and grey, we weren't making much power) so I put 
the HF battery charger on at the 10a setting. After about 40 minutes I heard 
the generator bear down and realized something was up 10a on a 3k generator 
isn't much load. I ran outside to see smoke rising from the battery charger. I 
yanked the cables and chucked it off the porch.We had another charger but it 
only did 6a, ran that for a couple hours with no further issues...
-Curt

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 5:17:19 PM EST, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The last time I went to HF I bought 3 of those battery chargers when they were 
on sale for $24 or so. After I got home I discovered she only charged me for 1. 
That was nice. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Went to HF and bought sets of 8-piece SAE and metric crowfoot flarenut 
> wrenches for 3/8” drives. On sale for $10.99, 25% coupon made them 
> $8something which was a very good price. (Thanks!)  They look pretty solid. 
> And they had free bonuses so got some microfiber washcloths and a 25’ tape 
> measure. I think the checkout woman didn’t do it all right applying the 
> various coupons and gave me more discounts but I didn’t complain. 
> 
> These were recommended to get the hydraulic lines off the SL spheres so will 
> see how they work. I have some regular dogbone flarenut wrenches that work 
> very well on brake lines and such, I guess these will get in tighter recessed 
> areas. Always good to have more tools...
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

Interesting. I would probably obsess abut the power drain during heating
and cooling.  How limiting to range is full blown AC usage?.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:43 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was
> a fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts
> away I may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't
> anywhere near as ugly as the old one.
>
> EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've
> got to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even
> in the winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as
> it'll have heat right away.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
> one?
>
> On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"  >
> wrote:
>
> > I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video
> game
> > to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel
> you
> > are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> > I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> > gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> > japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> > motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> > industry jumped the shark decades ago.
> >
> >
> > clay monroe
> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> > improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> > >
> > > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> > they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> > leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> > efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> > 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was
> pretty
> > well “leafed” out.
> > >
> > > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> > would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you
> drove
> > for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to
> improve
> > mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> > try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> > 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30
> and
> > as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> > >>
> > >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> > quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> > conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> > >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> > and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding
> in
> > it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> > >>
> > >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> > the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> > Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> > the gooberment mandated "improvements."I believe 1983 was the high
> > point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> > meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> > Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.
> [yes,
> > I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is goober-speak, reflecting the
> > "improvements" mandated.]
> > >>
> > >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd satisfaction from a
> > vehicle that gives better than expected fuel economy. I loved my Saab 99,
> > but it got 24mpg, didn't seem to matter much whether in town or open
> road,
> > while my backup car, a $435 rusty POS 1980 Citation I bought in 1985 with
> > 145,000 miles on it, would get 39 mpg indicated, 37 mpg actual, in rural
> > driving in warm weather. The mpg was one reason I was fond of that
> > Citation, another was its extreme utility, I could carry 1000lb of tools
> > and tool cabinets in it and it never complained. Back when gas was 80-90
> > cents a gallon I never felt any pain filling up the Saab, but filling the
> > Citation always felt good. Funny thing is, I have no idea what mpg I got
> in
> > my 1975 Civic, other than it was not that good for a 1850lb car with a
> > stratified charge engine, I'm guessing

Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

 When we were looking at trucks back in '14 we drove a Nissan Leaf. It was a 
fun car but not a replacement for a 4wd truck. When Angie's Golf rusts away I 
may reconsider the idea. The new Leaf has greater range and isn't anywhere near 
as ugly as the old one.
EVs are fun because of 100% torque at 0 rpm, they get right up but you've got 
to have the right usage profile. Angie commutes 10 miles each way, even in the 
winter it'd be a good choice. Maybe a better choice than a diesel as it'll have 
heat right away.
-Curt


On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:06:22 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 There's no one drive and EV yet? Would I be the first if I decided to get
one?

On Dec 8, 2018 11:56 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I hated that nasty tree on the rental I used last year.  Stupid video game
> to virtue signal just how much better than the guy in that smoky diesel you
> are.  The new cars are all rolling video games that get crap gas mileage.
> I continue to search for a solution for Allen.  A fairly recent used car
> gets no better fuel usage than I was getting over 25 years ago in a
> japanese car.  Now a person needs to be in a plastic car with a midget
> motor and video screens to more efficiently use petrol?  I think the auto
> industry jumped the shark decades ago.
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’m with Mitch.  I’m not hung up on mpg, but when I have the ability to
> improve it with my driving habits or otherwise I’ll do it.
> >
> > When I was driving the Ford Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled,
> they had a little thing in the instrument panel that showed a tree with
> leaves on it.  That is, you got “leafs” as you drove the car more
> efficiently. So now it’s a challenge for me.  After driving the car for
> 2-1/2 weeks I think I put 10 gallons of gas in it and the “tree” was pretty
> well “leafed” out.
> >
> > I joked with the wife about how if she had a car like that the tree
> would just be a bunch of dead sticks….
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Back in 1971 when I bought my first MB, cars got 17-18 MPG if you drove
> for mileage.  My 67 Chevelle got 10, no matter what I did to try to improve
> mileage.  My 66 Bronco (acquired in 1973) got 10, no matter what I did to
> try to get better mileage. Gas was mostly 35.9¢ and Diesel 27.9 to
> 28.8¢/gal.  In this environment, my 190Dc and later 200D got  27 to 30 and
> as much as 35 mpg.  You can figger out what a savings that was.
> >>
> >> Later I had the  wabbit at 50 mpg, the escort at 50-55 mpg and the
> quantum at 45 mpg, loaded to the gills and going 75.  In high MPG
> conditions it would probably do 50-55 also.
> >> I gave up the high mileage game when I got the first SDL.  The speed
> and comfort was amazing.  The kids not only didn't complain about riding in
> it, but enjoyed riding in the back seat.
> >>
> >> It was the reliability and MPG that sold many people on a MB Diesel in
> the early 80s, after 15 yrs of detriot iron getting worse all the time.
> Most 73-74 land yachts did no better than 10 mpg, up from 18, due to all
> the gooberment mandated "improvements."    I believe 1983 was the high
> point of MB Diesel sales in the USA.  That was when I went to a MBCA
> meeting in the quad cities, and in place of all gassers with a couple
> Diesels, there was all (mostly new) Diesels, with a couple gassers.  [yes,
> I said 10 MPG, UP from 18.  That is goober-speak, reflecting the
> "improvements" mandated.]
> >>
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 12/8/18 6:52 AM:
> >>>
> >>> I'm not Pious about mpg but I do get an odd satisfaction from a
> vehicle that gives better than expected fuel economy. I loved my Saab 99,
> but it got 24mpg, didn't seem to matter much whether in town or open road,
> while my backup car, a $435 rusty POS 1980 Citation I bought in 1985 with
> 145,000 miles on it, would get 39 mpg indicated, 37 mpg actual, in rural
> driving in warm weather. The mpg was one reason I was fond of that
> Citation, another was its extreme utility, I could carry 1000lb of tools
> and tool cabinets in it and it never complained. Back when gas was 80-90
> cents a gallon I never felt any pain filling up the Saab, but filling the
> Citation always felt good. Funny thing is, I have no idea what mpg I got in
> my 1975 Civic, other than it was not that good for a 1850lb car with a
> stratified charge engine, I'm guessing around 28-30mpg, the fault of the 2
> speed semi auto trans no doubt.
> >>>
> >>> Now I play the 'how high can my mpg get' game with a 2016 Chevy Cruze.
> Last summer I went 630 miles on 12.6 gallons of gas. I bought a tuner for
> it Thanksgiving weekend, now I want to set up a manual mode for the auto
> transmission and see if I can hit 60mpg in the sort of 55mph driving that
> got 37

Re: [MBZ] Value of Old Things

 You're showing your age, I remember just 30 years ago being told "Kids today 
can't do math without a calculator, can't cook, can't make anything." yet the 
maker movement is in full swing, if you have any doubt look at YouTube. April 
Wilkerson is a millennial after all and a fine woodworker. Alex French Guy 
cooking is a fine chef in his 30s, gosh maybe even younger. Especially check 
out Alec Steele a fine metal worker still very young with energy and enthusiasm 
unlike most folks.

I know, I know, the world was better when you were a kid when you marched to 
school uphill both ways...
-Curt

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 12:45:51 AM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 The kids do not do any actually cooking.  They are not as crafty or manually 
dexterous either.  I was reading an article about how the new breed of doctor 
can not perform basic surgical tasks, because they lack the fine motor skills 
and never were exposed to things like sewing or other crafty things.  They are 
really good at manipulating the ipad with the patient charts though.

I think the lack of regard for traditional housewares is due to the people 
having kids since the 1960’s.  A reaction to the “old” ways that they grew up 
in.  Just can’t be like mom and dad with Grandma’s good china and the silver.  
Too Bougie for them.  So they did not inculcate an appreciation for quality 
furniture, china, silver or etiquette.  Their children are under educated, 
uncultured boors who think nothing of eating off plastic plates and know only 
how to micro nuke a bag of popped corn.

Just my view from high atop my pompous mole hill

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net

> On Dec 8, 2018, at 6:43 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
>      What you mentioned about furniture and other old things is sadly true.  
>Young people today want disposable dinnerware, less furniture, and lack any 
>idea of quality and the craftsmanship it takes to create quality.  Our sales 
>have declined over the last few years.  We never really dealt in furniture, 
>especially big stuff.  We see it at auctions and estate sales and it goes for 
>really cheap prices...sad to see.  Young folks display big TVs, electronic 
>gizmos, etc. etc. , things that wear out and are disposable.  They use cheap 
>dinnerware and flatware and glasses, none of which need a nice hutch, 
>sideboard, or cabinet to display.  Holding a fine piece of silver flatware in 
>your hand and comparing it to the cheap Wal-Mart offerings is amazing.  I help 
>my wife polish silverware when we get new pieces to keep or to sell.  It's 
>pleasing to see the craftsmanship that went into things made in the 1700s, 
>1800s, and early 1900s.  The feel is just amazing. 
> 
>    So, if you have some old nice items, value them, use them, and display 
>them.  Let them bring you joy, especially at the holidays.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

 My thought also, one of the absolute worst rental cars I've ever had. That 
they had the gall to call it an SUV only worsens the insult...
-Curt

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 8:48:03 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I rented a PTC once. Once. What an execrable POS

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2018, at 8:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Would that also apply to PT Cruisers and Chevy HHTs?
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 1997 Diesel Mercedes Benz E300 - $2750 (Goose Creek)

2018-12-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Way high, that's maybe $1000 car.  I'd like to get a wrecked version and
strip the muffler system with cat and the head.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:17 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think this was previously listed for $3k.  Doesn't look bad but still
> kinda high
>
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1997-diesel-mercedes-benz-e300/6769130094.html
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Re: [MBZ] A Heartwarming Tale For Dimitri

2018-12-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

This has to be Andrew's all-time best post, need to put this up on the
quotes page Kaleb.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I attend meetings of the socialist communist worker's welfare cheaters
> party in downtown D.C. the members are 99 percent Mercedes owners.  I feel
> very much at home.
>
>
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[MBZ] 14 inch MB w123 wheels



 The bundts and tires look pretty good, seems like a decent
 deal if you need some new tires and wheels‎.  I'd get them for
 the CD but it is a bit far away



 Mike Crossen
 
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 W123 (North America)
 

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14 inch MB w123 wheels
Ask for Price
South Windsor, CT

I have 6 wheels in various states of condition and cleanliness, none 
have any bends or major curb rash. All have like new Michelin tires, 
approx 4k miles on them, some still have the casting hairs. 2016 date 
codes. I can't use them anymore since going to w126 brakes. Tires are 
$105 on tire rack last time I looked. I'll take $100 for each tire/wheel 
assembly. Located 15 minutes from Hartford CT. If you want a set of 4 or 
more I could deliver with in 90 miles of Hartford. Please let me know.


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Re: [MBZ] One FEMALE OWNER for 17 years

2018-12-10 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

For someone looking for an R129, this actually looks pretty nice.  I’m not keen 
on the color scheme, either, but the provenance is good and it’s about as late 
a model as you can get.

-D

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not my cuppa but TEHO
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/fantastic-older-mercedes/6765157839.html
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[MBZ] One FEMALE OWNER for 17 years


Not my cuppa but TEHO

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/fantastic-older-mercedes/6765157839.html

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[MBZ] 1982 Mercedes 380 sl custom paint - $3000

Hard to tell without putting eyes on it but looks sorta nice, aside from 
the purple paint job. Could be a decent low-end SL


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1982-mercedes-380-sl/6769111588.html

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[MBZ] 1997 Diesel Mercedes Benz E300 - $2750 (Goose Creek)