date:20200317


We need some:

THe wuhan foo virus was exposed to Chuck Norris!

The virus is now hospitalized for at least 14 days.



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[MBZ] Turd or treasure?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/345702183028680/


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[MBZ] Some music suggestions for the day


From Switchback  (waygoodmusic.com)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6zn5SlhNd89X3rv0kvi3zt?si=4iB3PrrkTdejNln4R4AW0g

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Re: [MBZ] mania Spuds

2020-03-17 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Yeah that’s the tails from distillation, got the nasty stuff in it, not 
drinkable 

--R
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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A local craft distillery here took a batch and made hand sanitizer.
> 
> More in demand than whiskey!
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I went to Lowe’s today to order a tubular skylight for the house, then swung 
>> by Publix to get some deli meats and Diet Coke.
>> 
>> Lowe’s was business as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary there from what I 
>> could see. They had loads of gallons of bleach and other related cleaning 
>> stuff in the aisles.
>> 
>> Publix was pretty much the same. Busy, but not crazy busy like a Saturday or 
>> Sunday. Produce was definitely low, but there was still a lot there. I 
>> snagged some ‘nanners since I knew we were getting low. Fresh meat and fish 
>> sections were destroyed. Nothing there. Meat cutters standing around in back 
>> with nothing to do. Plenty of snack foods and fizzy drinks. I hit Publix 
>> every two weeks because they alternate BOGOs between Coke and Pepsi 
>> products. I get Diet Coke with Splenda, which is a niche product and hard to 
>> find, and they had their requisite 5-6 12 packs on the shelf along with most 
>> other Coke products from what I could see.
>> 
>> No problem getting some Boar’s Head ham, pastrami and Swiss cheese. The deli 
>> was just fine.
>> 
>> It’s sort of surreal if you ask me.
>> 
>> I’m going to hit Wally World at 6:00 am tomorrow to get some milk, as I 
>> forgot to check at Publix. It will be interesting to see what they do and 
>> don’t have.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where y'all live have the maniacs cleaned out all the spuds from stores?
>>> 
>>> Around here there is not a spud to be had.   Maybe it is an artifact of 
>>> boilin crawdaddys.   Tis the season!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Travel

Or to go anywhere there are "crowds" (self-quarantine)

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 6:23 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> BUT by the time you get there, they may have decided you are not
> permitted to land . . .
>
>
>
> On 17/03/2020 4:54 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Tampa to Christchurch NZ and return about $1500 with choice of four
> major airlines.
> > (l-o-o-o-o-n-g flights).
> > Gerry
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:50:45 -0400
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >> Just got some spam from Southwest. For grins I tossed in some dates
> later this month for a round trip from Tampa to Indianapolis.
> >>
> >> $176.00. Round trip.
> >>
> >> Get some masks and hand sanitizer and head out!
> >>
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> I wouldn't keep a cheese grater around for what I do, they're too big and 
> noisy.

They're big enough, but mine never make noise unless they get hot, which they 
don't.
The hard disks inside make more noise seeking than the fans do.  The all-metal
case is probably my favorite of all the computers they've ever made, and I love
the drive sleds.

Apple SHOULD have made a true rack-mount version, but they did not.  Well, they 
used
to, but I think sales were so flat that they decided not to any more.  Can't 
really blame them
for abandoning products that didn't make money.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

One of the major assets of the cheese graters is the internal drive bays.
(Here I'm disregarding the G5's, and the newest re-issue of the form.)
All of them support 4 SATA drives with ease.  All of them support 6 SATA
drives, with varying amounts of fiddling around.  The oldest ones support
8 internal drives, if two of them are IDE, with even more fiddling around.

That's without even touching the expansion slots.  With those you can do
SATA/eSATA out the wazoo, or add ultra-speed SSD resources.

Internal expandability is where the trash cans fell flat.  If you think of them
as fat Minis (Maxis?) that's a pretty good description.  Not really "pro" at 
all,
and why Apple seems to have returned to the form.  I think the newest one
looks even more like an actual cheese grater!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers


+1    Amen

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 8:47 PM:

I intend to avoid ALL subscription software like the plague that it is.  Just 
as I avoid the cloud.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> The point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware.

ONE point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware.  That's not what I'm 
using it for, though.
I'm _simulating_ what would be independent boxes in production within my 
development environment.
I don't care much about the performance, just the functionality.

The trash (Parmesan?) cans have not (yet) been abandoned by any software, and 
all of them are fully
capable of running any (new-end) software on the market.  This includes VMware. 
 The cheese
graters have all been abandoned by Catalina (except for the brand-new reissue, 
of course.)
Most are also abandoned by Mojave, and the ones that aren't need a video card 
upgrade.

High Sierra runs everything I need, and probably will for years.  I am not too 
interested in Metal/Mojave,
and I particularly don't like 'dark mode', which to me is a throwback to the 
wretched video of the 70's.
With High Sierra and 5,1 CPU's I can still run DxO and VMware 10/11, and 
everything else I need,
and continue to run older purchased 32-bit apps (like CS3 and Photoshop).

At such time as it might become necessary I'd similarly upgrade my wife's 2,1 
(El Capitan); her main tool is
Adobe InDesign CS3, which will NOT run on Catalina (for example).  If you want 
to do high-end graphics
on a new-ish Mac, you MUST use their foul subscription ransomware, and pay each 
and every year
whether you are doing much work or not.  Profitable work or not.  (Hers is 
non-profit.)  You MUST buy
new computers on THEIR schedule, and pay any and all necessary costs just to 
continue to use the
product.  You working on a deadline and they announce a new version, abandoning 
the one you are
using?  Fuck you customer, buy new software, and if necessary also a new 
machine, before you can
continue working.  You were hoping to be finished by Friday, maybe making a few 
hundred dollars
on the job?  Bwa-ha-ha-ha!  This makes me livid.

My wife was doing volunteer graphics work for her local symphony, on her 
now-dated high-end Mac
hardware.  The symphony management decided to 'standardize' on new Adobe, and 
offered to let
her use their license.  Well, that software simply refuses to run on her 
hardware, not for any functional
reason but just because it's unsupported due to its age, and I'm not dropping 
thousands of dollars so
she can VOLUNTEER her time.  They didn't even consult us on this change, and 
now they don't have
her contribution any more.  Too bad, because she was a professional and has a 
good eye, and made
by far the best-looking material they've ever had.

One of the tenets of personal computing was that they'd ALWAYS do whatever you 
bought them to
do, for so long as that task was what you wanted done.  With the subscription 
model this is no longer
true.  An older computer is not just a bit dated and/or slow, and maybe missing 
some NEW features
you'd like, it instead is truly useless.  Retrocomputing in a subscription 
world?  Not even possible.

I intend to avoid ALL subscription software like the plague that it is.  Just 
as I avoid the cloud.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] mania Spuds

 Weird.
Apparently here the big thing is to get loads of milk. Buncha pictures of 
people with carts full of the stuff...
Angie went to the pharmacy today, said they had everything but hand sanitizer.
-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 Where y'all live have the maniacs cleaned out all the spuds from stores?

Around here there is not a spud to be had.   Maybe it is an artifact of 
boilin crawdaddys.   Tis the season!

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Re: [MBZ] mania Spuds

A local craft distillery here took a batch and made hand sanitizer.

More in demand than whiskey!

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I went to Lowe’s today to order a tubular skylight for the house, then swung 
> by Publix to get some deli meats and Diet Coke.
>
> Lowe’s was business as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary there from what I 
> could see. They had loads of gallons of bleach and other related cleaning 
> stuff in the aisles.
>
> Publix was pretty much the same. Busy, but not crazy busy like a Saturday or 
> Sunday. Produce was definitely low, but there was still a lot there. I 
> snagged some ‘nanners since I knew we were getting low. Fresh meat and fish 
> sections were destroyed. Nothing there. Meat cutters standing around in back 
> with nothing to do. Plenty of snack foods and fizzy drinks. I hit Publix 
> every two weeks because they alternate BOGOs between Coke and Pepsi products. 
> I get Diet Coke with Splenda, which is a niche product and hard to find, and 
> they had their requisite 5-6 12 packs on the shelf along with most other Coke 
> products from what I could see.
>
> No problem getting some Boar’s Head ham, pastrami and Swiss cheese. The deli 
> was just fine.
>
> It’s sort of surreal if you ask me.
>
> I’m going to hit Wally World at 6:00 am tomorrow to get some milk, as I 
> forgot to check at Publix. It will be interesting to see what they do and 
> don’t have.
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Where y'all live have the maniacs cleaned out all the spuds from stores?
>> 
>> Around here there is not a spud to be had.   Maybe it is an artifact of 
>> boilin crawdaddys.   Tis the season!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

 It is. I wouldn't keep a cheese grater around for what I do, they're too big 
and noisy.
I never liked the cheese grater case and in particular I loathed Apple's answer 
to how to mount them in a 19" rack which involved a hacksaw on your $5,000 
computer...
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 9:15:09 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sounds like you’ve got the “trash can”, not a cheesegrater.

-D


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> With all this talk I had to go check what I've got.
> 
> Mine is apparently a 6,1. Quad core 3.7Ghz, 32GB of RAM. IIRC its only got a 
> 256GB internal drive. I've got a 4TB external drive I move between it and my 
> Macbook Pro for video editing.
> 
> Mostly this machine gets used for watching Amazon prime and Youtube on the 
> 26" monitor or 32" TV.
> Its super handy for video crunching though, way faster than the laptop.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 5:12:00 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good point, but I don’t run VMware on my cheesegrater so it’s not an issue. 
> The few VMs I run on occasion I’ll do on VirtualBox. Since swapping CPUs on 
> these means taking them apart (de-lidding) I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
> 
> My 4,1/5,1 came with an Apple RAID card and four 800GB 15k iSCSI enterprise 
> grade drives. It puked about a year after I got the machine, so I gutted it 
> and went back to regular SATA drives.
> 
> I like the belt and suspenders approach to backups, so I just recently 
> snagged the 6TB drive to do a local TM backup which gets mirrored to my 
> FreeNAS box with six 2TB hard drives hosting an 8TB ZFS volume. It’s in 
> another physical location in the house, which is good enough for me. I also 
> run separate backups of each physical drive in the cheesegrater weekly using 
> SuperDuper. Those got to a separate partition on the 6TB internal drive and 
> also get mirrored to the FreeNAS box in a separate partition in the ZFS 
> volume.
> 
> I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t 
> emphasize enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many 
> years ago and swore never again. Removable storage is cheap.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Jim Cathey  > > wrote:
> > 
> >> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what?
> > 
> > VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as 
> > they do
> > not on my X5570's.  That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 
> > Westmeres;
> > if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the fastest ones.  
> > (Still pending.)
> > 
> > My Time Machine backups go to another 1,1 cheese grater that has a 2TB RAID 
> > in it.
> > There are 10 machines (including itself) aimed at that RAID.  The mirrored 
> > RAID has
> > four 2TB slices, two of which are always offline/offsite, in rotation.  All 
> > four are NEVER
> > physically in the same place at the same time.  It'd take something like an 
> > asteroid strike
> > to get them all in the same disaster.  In which case, I doubt I'd care.  
> > The cheese grater's
> > drive sleds make quarterly RAID rotation nearly trivial.  (Power down, swap 
> > one drive,
> > power up.  The RAID rebuild is automatic and currently takes about 8 hours.)
> > 
> > 2TB is getting a little tight.  But, I have to buy 4 identical drives at a 
> > pop, so I like to wait
> > until I HAVE to upgrade, so that the prices have fallen as far as they 
> > will.  The 2TB's have
> > served for nearly six years already, and only now have I had to trim off 
> > some of the oldest
> > backup sets.
> > 
> > -- Jim
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

 Well, Jim was talking about running VMware. The point of virtualization is to 
fully utilize hardware.I've never used Fusion for any serious virtualization 
but I've got some dual 8 core machines in the office with 320GB of RAM each 
that we do student systems on.
Its amazing that with 4 servers I can have each student build 5 separate 
Windows Server 2016 installs, build a Windows Cluster and install our software. 
For a 10 person class those 4 machines replace 50 individual boxes...
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 5:42:44 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:56:13 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
> the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty
> nice. When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU
> array, 48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.

Are all those cores (and threads) really helpful?

In keeping an eye on what my four-core processor does with CentOS-5.11,
I don't see even four cores being used.

In looking at the new AMD Ryzen processors, I see 6-, 8-, 10-, and
16-core processors. Unless you have software designed to use all of
them (multi-threaded and multi-tasking), what use are they?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

Sounds like you’ve got the “trash can”, not a cheesegrater.

-D


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> With all this talk I had to go check what I've got.
> 
> Mine is apparently a 6,1. Quad core 3.7Ghz, 32GB of RAM. IIRC its only got a 
> 256GB internal drive. I've got a 4TB external drive I move between it and my 
> Macbook Pro for video editing.
> 
> Mostly this machine gets used for watching Amazon prime and Youtube on the 
> 26" monitor or 32" TV.
> Its super handy for video crunching though, way faster than the laptop.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 5:12:00 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good point, but I don’t run VMware on my cheesegrater so it’s not an issue. 
> The few VMs I run on occasion I’ll do on VirtualBox. Since swapping CPUs on 
> these means taking them apart (de-lidding) I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
> 
> My 4,1/5,1 came with an Apple RAID card and four 800GB 15k iSCSI enterprise 
> grade drives. It puked about a year after I got the machine, so I gutted it 
> and went back to regular SATA drives.
> 
> I like the belt and suspenders approach to backups, so I just recently 
> snagged the 6TB drive to do a local TM backup which gets mirrored to my 
> FreeNAS box with six 2TB hard drives hosting an 8TB ZFS volume. It’s in 
> another physical location in the house, which is good enough for me. I also 
> run separate backups of each physical drive in the cheesegrater weekly using 
> SuperDuper. Those got to a separate partition on the 6TB internal drive and 
> also get mirrored to the FreeNAS box in a separate partition in the ZFS 
> volume.
> 
> I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t 
> emphasize enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many 
> years ago and swore never again. Removable storage is cheap.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Jim Cathey  > > wrote:
> > 
> >> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what?
> > 
> > VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as 
> > they do
> > not on my X5570's.  That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 
> > Westmeres;
> > if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the fastest ones.  
> > (Still pending.)
> > 
> > My Time Machine backups go to another 1,1 cheese grater that has a 2TB RAID 
> > in it.
> > There are 10 machines (including itself) aimed at that RAID.  The mirrored 
> > RAID has
> > four 2TB slices, two of which are always offline/offsite, in rotation.  All 
> > four are NEVER
> > physically in the same place at the same time.  It'd take something like an 
> > asteroid strike
> > to get them all in the same disaster.  In which case, I doubt I'd care.  
> > The cheese grater's
> > drive sleds make quarterly RAID rotation nearly trivial.  (Power down, swap 
> > one drive,
> > power up.  The RAID rebuild is automatic and currently takes about 8 hours.)
> > 
> > 2TB is getting a little tight.  But, I have to buy 4 identical drives at a 
> > pop, so I like to wait
> > until I HAVE to upgrade, so that the prices have fallen as far as they 
> > will.  The 2TB's have
> > served for nearly six years already, and only now have I had to trim off 
> > some of the oldest
> > backup sets.
> > 
> > -- Jim
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

 With all this talk I had to go check what I've got.
Mine is apparently a 6,1. Quad core 3.7Ghz, 32GB of RAM. IIRC its only got a 
256GB internal drive. I've got a 4TB external drive I move between it and my 
Macbook Pro for video editing.
Mostly this machine gets used for watching Amazon prime and Youtube on the 26" 
monitor or 32" TV.Its super handy for video crunching though, way faster than 
the laptop.
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 5:12:00 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Good point, but I don’t run VMware on my cheesegrater so it’s not an issue. 
The few VMs I run on occasion I’ll do on VirtualBox. Since swapping CPUs on 
these means taking them apart (de-lidding) I’ll stick with what I’ve got.

My 4,1/5,1 came with an Apple RAID card and four 800GB 15k iSCSI enterprise 
grade drives. It puked about a year after I got the machine, so I gutted it and 
went back to regular SATA drives.

I like the belt and suspenders approach to backups, so I just recently snagged 
the 6TB drive to do a local TM backup which gets mirrored to my FreeNAS box 
with six 2TB hard drives hosting an 8TB ZFS volume. It’s in another physical 
location in the house, which is good enough for me. I also run separate backups 
of each physical drive in the cheesegrater weekly using SuperDuper. Those got 
to a separate partition on the 6TB internal drive and also get mirrored to the 
FreeNAS box in a separate partition in the ZFS volume.

I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t emphasize 
enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many years ago and 
swore never again. Removable storage is cheap.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what?
> 
> VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as 
> they do
> not on my X5570's.  That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 
> Westmeres;
> if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the fastest ones.  
> (Still pending.)
> 
> My Time Machine backups go to another 1,1 cheese grater that has a 2TB RAID 
> in it.
> There are 10 machines (including itself) aimed at that RAID.  The mirrored 
> RAID has
> four 2TB slices, two of which are always offline/offsite, in rotation.  All 
> four are NEVER
> physically in the same place at the same time.  It'd take something like an 
> asteroid strike
> to get them all in the same disaster.  In which case, I doubt I'd care.  The 
> cheese grater's
> drive sleds make quarterly RAID rotation nearly trivial.  (Power down, swap 
> one drive,
> power up.  The RAID rebuild is automatic and currently takes about 8 hours.)
> 
> 2TB is getting a little tight.  But, I have to buy 4 identical drives at a 
> pop, so I like to wait
> until I HAVE to upgrade, so that the prices have fallen as far as they will.  
> The 2TB's have
> served for nearly six years already, and only now have I had to trim off some 
> of the oldest
> backup sets.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] mania Spuds

I went to Lowe’s today to order a tubular skylight for the house, then swung by 
Publix to get some deli meats and Diet Coke.

Lowe’s was business as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary there from what I 
could see. They had loads of gallons of bleach and other related cleaning stuff 
in the aisles.

Publix was pretty much the same. Busy, but not crazy busy like a Saturday or 
Sunday. Produce was definitely low, but there was still a lot there. I snagged 
some ‘nanners since I knew we were getting low. Fresh meat and fish sections 
were destroyed. Nothing there. Meat cutters standing around in back with 
nothing to do. Plenty of snack foods and fizzy drinks. I hit Publix every two 
weeks because they alternate BOGOs between Coke and Pepsi products. I get Diet 
Coke with Splenda, which is a niche product and hard to find, and they had 
their requisite 5-6 12 packs on the shelf along with most other Coke products 
from what I could see.

No problem getting some Boar’s Head ham, pastrami and Swiss cheese. The deli 
was just fine.

It’s sort of surreal if you ask me.

I’m going to hit Wally World at 6:00 am tomorrow to get some milk, as I forgot 
to check at Publix. It will be interesting to see what they do and don’t have.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Where y'all live have the maniacs cleaned out all the spuds from stores?
> 
> Around here there is not a spud to be had.   Maybe it is an artifact of 
> boilin crawdaddys.   Tis the season!
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Re: [MBZ] mania Spuds

2020-03-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

First thing that went.  Nutso, they are all going to spoil and get tossed I'd 
bet.

Ditto for buying all the bleach on the shelf, and TP.

One good note, the local farm supply was limiting people to two gallons of 
bleach and one pack of toilet paper today.



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[MBZ] mania Spuds


Where y'all live have the maniacs cleaned out all the spuds from stores?

Around here there is not a spud to be had.   Maybe it is an artifact of 
boilin crawdaddys.   Tis the season!


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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?


Small Block Chevy controller in an E320?

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 5:05 PM:
which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be 
checked by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low 
miles, can't tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk



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$1,500



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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Yep

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1   He already spread it all over kittyhawk NC and other places.
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 3:50 PM:
>> You should self isolate after visiting that filthy shithole.
>> 
>> 
> 
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+1   He already spread it all over kittyhawk NC and other places.

Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 3:50 PM:

You should self isolate after visiting that filthy shithole.





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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

2020-03-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes my 2005 has that. MB mechanic told me,easy to fix. All electronic
modules

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 6:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's got a 722.6 tranny too which is much easier to deal with than the
> 722.7? in the later 211s.
>
> h that would be a nice step up from the 210 $600E320, could probably
> make some good $$ off the deal if the brakes would be repaired under the
> warranty and I sold the 210.
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/17/20 6:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Look at the data card. Lots of nice stuff. Even has the “ski bag”
> pass-through.
> >
> > https://www.lastvin.com/vin/GkZjydzmk58Ab1YrR
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Interesting. It doesn't pull up anything related to the SBC, but it
> does show as below as not having been checked.  Looks like maybe the
> stealer would have to run the VMI to see.  I wonder if I call and ask if
> they could check on it they would.  That could be a hell of a deal if they
> fix the problem under the warranty.
> >>
> >> https://www.mbusa.com/en/recall
> >>
> >>
> >>2004 E320W
> >>
> >> *VIN: WDBUF65J84A416090*
> >>
> >> View your vehicle’s recall details below.
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> My Vehicle Status
> >>Recall Currently Pending
> >>
> >> MBUSA Campaign Number
> >>2020010004
> >>
> >> NHTSA Recall Number
> >>19V918
> >>
> >> Recall Start Date
> >>Recall Currently Pending
> >>
> >> Recall Reported Date
> >>Dec 20, 2019
> >>
> >> Component(s)
> >>20P2197208
> >>
> >> Summary
> >>Mercedes-Benz AG ("MBAG"), the manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz
> >>vehicles, has determined that on certain Model Year ("MY") 01-11
> >>C-Class (203 platform), CLK-Class (209 platform), E-Class (211
> >>platform) and CLS-Class (219 platform) vehicles, the bonding between
> >>the glass panel and the sliding roof frame might not meet
> >>specifications. In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could
> >>deteriorate gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to
> >>deteriorate, the durability requirements might not be met which
> >>could lead to a separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A
> >>displaced panel could increase the risk of a potential crash or
> >>injury for other road users.
> >>
> >> Consequence
> >>In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could deteriorate
> >>gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to deteriorate,
> >>the durability requirements might not be met which could lead to a
> >>separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A displaced panel
> >>could increase the risk of a potential crash or injury for other
> >>road users.
> >>
> >> View Customer Letter (PDF) <
> https://www.mbusa.com/content/dam/mb-nafta/us/customer-letters/2020010004.pdf
> >
> >>
> >> Remedy
> >>MBUSA will conduct a voluntary recall. An authorized Mercedes-Benz
> >>dealer will check the glass panel bonding on the affected vehicles
> >>and replace the sliding roof, as necessary.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/17/20 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> 25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be
> checked by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low
> miles, can't tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
> 
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
> 
>  2004 benz e-class
>  $1,500
>  Vehicles <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603/vehicles/>
>  Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/108442312509752/>
> 
> 
>  About This Vehicle…
> 
>  Driven 139,074 miles
>  Automatic transmission
> 
> 
>  Seller's description…
> 
>  》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE
> CONTACTING ME WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO
> WARRANTY for $1,500. All the information in this ad, is all that I know
> about this vehicle. 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There
> is an issue with the brakes on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake
> light is on, and the brakes do not work, therefore you can not test drive
> this car, but it does crank up and run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ►
> 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean History If you're interested in
> this vehicle, it is available to view on Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
> 
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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

a recent change has been done on warranty coverage for SBC Hydraulic 
Units for MY2003-2006 Model 211, MY2006 Model 219 and MY 2003-2012 
Models 230/231 was extended from 4 years / 50k miles to 25 years 
unlimited miles.
The extended warranty also applies to MY2004-2012 Model 240 and 
MY2005-2009 Model 199.
If you encounter an issue with SBC, please check with your local 
authorized Mercedes Benz dealership for details.


On 3/17/20 6:44 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Yes,warranty recall. Not sure,which w211's were affected.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:05:07 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be 
> checked by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low 
> miles, can't tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the
> trunk

When I saw the title I thought:

- Small Block Chevy

and

- Single Board Computer

but I guess it is something else ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

It's got a 722.6 tranny too which is much easier to deal with than the
722.7? in the later 211s.

h that would be a nice step up from the 210 $600E320, could probably
make some good $$ off the deal if the brakes would be repaired under the
warranty and I sold the 210.

--FT

On 3/17/20 6:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Look at the data card. Lots of nice stuff. Even has the “ski bag” pass-through.

https://www.lastvin.com/vin/GkZjydzmk58Ab1YrR

-D

On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

Interesting. It doesn't pull up anything related to the SBC, but it does show
as below as not having been checked. Looks like maybe the stealer would have
to run the VMI to see. I wonder if I call and ask if they could check on it
they would. That could be a hell of a deal if they fix the problem under the
warranty.

https://www.mbusa.com/en/recall

2004 E320W

*VIN: WDBUF65J84A416090*

View your vehicle’s recall details below.

My Vehicle Status
Recall Currently Pending

MBUSA Campaign Number
2020010004

NHTSA Recall Number
19V918

Recall Start Date
Recall Currently Pending

Recall Reported Date
Dec 20, 2019

Component(s)
20P2197208

Summary
Mercedes-Benz AG ("MBAG"), the manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz
vehicles, has determined that on certain Model Year ("MY") 01-11
C-Class (203 platform), CLK-Class (209 platform), E-Class (211
platform) and CLS-Class (219 platform) vehicles, the bonding between
the glass panel and the sliding roof frame might not meet
specifications. In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could
deteriorate gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to
deteriorate, the durability requirements might not be met which
could lead to a separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A
displaced panel could increase the risk of a potential crash or
injury for other road users.

Consequence
In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could deteriorate
gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to deteriorate,
the durability requirements might not be met which could lead to a
separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A displaced panel
could increase the risk of a potential crash or injury for other
road users.

View Customer Letter (PDF)

Remedy
MBUSA will conduct a voluntary recall. An authorized Mercedes-Benz
dealer will check the glass panel bonding on the affected vehicles
and replace the sliding roof, as necessary.

On 3/17/20 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.

-D

On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

which I think is a warranty/recall repair? I think the VIN can be checked by
the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax? It looks nice, low miles, can't tell
what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258

2004 benz e-class
$1,500
Vehicles
Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA

About This Vehicle…

Driven 139,074 miles
Automatic transmission

Seller's description…

》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING ME WITH
QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for $1,500. All the
information in this ad, is all that I know about this vehicle. 2004
Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an issue with the brakes
on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light is on, and the brakes do not
work, therefore you can not test drive this car, but it does crank up and run.
► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean History
If you're interested in this vehicle, it is available to view on Shearouse
Motors lot, Monday

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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

2020-03-17 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes,warranty recall. Not sure,which w211's were affected.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 6:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be
> checked by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low
> miles, can't tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
>
> 2004 benz e-class
> $1,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA
> 
>
>
>   About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 139,074 miles
> Automatic transmission
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> 》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING
> ME WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for
> $1,500. All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this
> vehicle. 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an
> issue with the brakes on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light
> is on, and the brakes do not work, therefore you can not test drive this
> car, but it does crank up and run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner
> ► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean History If you're interested in this
> vehicle, it is available to view on Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
>
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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

H an automatic crotch massager!!! I'm thinking I might do that.
Looks like they know nothing about it and just want to unload it. I bet
business is very slow too. Could LOBALL them they don't know what they
got. Its right down by SAV so a bit less than a 2hr drive. I'm already
going stir-crazy quarantining and working on the house, a little road
trip could be fun.

I'll call the local stealer tomorrow and see if they will tell me about
the SBC and if anything has been done to the car. Or if you got your
"in" with your stealer...

--FT

On 3/17/20 6:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Dude, it’s got dynamic seats! You should buy it. It’s really decked out for an
E class. Take your DAS system with you and see what’s up with it.

-D

On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258

2004 benz e-class
$1,500
Vehicles
Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA

About This Vehicle…

Driven 139,074 miles
Automatic transmission

Seller's description…

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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Exactly. I’m waiting on a shipment of parts to come in. Hopefully it arrives. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Speakerphone while you’re in the shop, sorting out cars, right? What an 
> opportunity to get caught up!
> 
> I was in a meeting on the phone a few weeks ago and painting a room in my 
> house. It’s called “multitasking”.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just deal with dealers over the phone
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paid vacation? Or busy work?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 And now we are not allowed to visit customers at all. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
> 
> Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  
> Ability so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a 
> dealership, pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters 
> away from the client, who brings his own chair.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. 
>> So no overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he 
>> was going to check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I 
>> can’t go visit any dealerships at all and just work from home 
>> 
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Look at the data card. Lots of nice stuff. Even has the “ski bag” pass-through.

https://www.lastvin.com/vin/GkZjydzmk58Ab1YrR

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. It doesn't pull up anything related to the SBC, but it does show 
> as below as not having been checked.  Looks like maybe the stealer would have 
> to run the VMI to see.  I wonder if I call and ask if they could check on it 
> they would.  That could be a hell of a deal if they fix the problem under the 
> warranty.
> 
> https://www.mbusa.com/en/recall
> 
> 
>   2004 E320W
> 
> *VIN: WDBUF65J84A416090*
> 
> View your vehicle’s recall details below.
> 
> *
> 
> 
> My Vehicle Status
>   Recall Currently Pending
> 
> MBUSA Campaign Number
>   2020010004
> 
> NHTSA Recall Number
>   19V918
> 
> Recall Start Date
>   Recall Currently Pending
> 
> Recall Reported Date
>   Dec 20, 2019
> 
> Component(s)
>   20P2197208
> 
> Summary
>   Mercedes-Benz AG ("MBAG"), the manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz
>   vehicles, has determined that on certain Model Year ("MY") 01-11
>   C-Class (203 platform), CLK-Class (209 platform), E-Class (211
>   platform) and CLS-Class (219 platform) vehicles, the bonding between
>   the glass panel and the sliding roof frame might not meet
>   specifications. In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could
>   deteriorate gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to
>   deteriorate, the durability requirements might not be met which
>   could lead to a separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A
>   displaced panel could increase the risk of a potential crash or
>   injury for other road users.
> 
> Consequence
>   In this case, the adhesion of the bonding could deteriorate
>   gradually over time. If the bonding adhesion were to deteriorate,
>   the durability requirements might not be met which could lead to a
>   separation of the glass panel from the vehicle. A displaced panel
>   could increase the risk of a potential crash or injury for other
>   road users.
> 
> View Customer Letter (PDF) 
> 
>  
> 
> Remedy
>   MBUSA will conduct a voluntary recall. An authorized Mercedes-Benz
>   dealer will check the glass panel bonding on the affected vehicles
>   and replace the sliding roof, as necessary.
> 
> 
> On 3/17/20 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be checked 
>>> by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low miles, can't 
>>> tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
>>> 
>>> 2004 benz e-class
>>> $1,500
>>> Vehicles 
>>> Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> About This Vehicle…
>>> 
>>> Driven 139,074 miles
>>> Automatic transmission
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seller's description…
>>> 
>>> 》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING ME 
>>> WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for $1,500. 
>>> All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this vehicle. 2004 
>>> Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an issue with the 
>>> brakes on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light is on, and the 
>>> brakes do not work, therefore you can not test drive this car, but it does 
>>> crank up and run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► 
>>> Leather ► Clean History If you're interested in this vehicle, it is 
>>> available to view on Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Heh. I was on “mute” most of the time. Learned that one a long, long time ago.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Remember not to cuss when you step in the paint tray.
> 
> 
> On 17/03/2020 5:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Better yet, like when I was painting - get a headset with a mic.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speakerphone while you’re in the shop, sorting out cars, right? What an 
>>> opportunity to get caught up!
>>> 
>>> I was in a meeting on the phone a few weeks ago and painting a room in my 
>>> house. It’s called “multitasking”.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Just deal with dealers over the phone
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

Interesting. It doesn't pull up anything related to the SBC, but it does
show as below as not having been checked. Looks like maybe the stealer
would have to run the VMI to see. I wonder if I call and ask if they
could check on it they would. That could be a hell of a deal if they
fix the problem under the warranty.

https://www.mbusa.com/en/recall

2004 E320W

*VIN: WDBUF65J84A416090*

View your vehicle’s recall details below.

My Vehicle Status
Recall Currently Pending

MBUSA Campaign Number
2020010004

NHTSA Recall Number
19V918

Recall Start Date
Recall Currently Pending

Recall Reported Date
Dec 20, 2019

Component(s)
20P2197208

View Customer Letter (PDF)

Remedy
MBUSA will conduct a voluntary recall. An authorized Mercedes-Benz
dealer will check the glass panel bonding on the affected vehicles
and replace the sliding roof, as necessary.

On 3/17/20 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.

-D

On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258

2004 benz e-class
$1,500
Vehicles
Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA

About This Vehicle…

Driven 139,074 miles
Automatic transmission

Seller's description…

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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

Dude, it’s got dynamic seats! You should buy it. It’s really decked out for an 
E class. Take your DAS system with you and see what’s up with it.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be checked by 
> the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low miles, can't tell 
> what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
> 
> 2004 benz e-class
> $1,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 139,074 miles
> Automatic transmission
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING ME 
> WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for $1,500. 
> All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this vehicle. 2004 
> Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an issue with the brakes 
> on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light is on, and the brakes do not 
> work, therefore you can not test drive this car, but it does crank up and 
> run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean 
> History If you're interested in this vehicle, it is available to view on 
> Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
> 
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...


Remember not to cuss when you step in the paint tray.


On 17/03/2020 5:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Better yet, like when I was painting - get a headset with a mic.

-D


On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Speakerphone while you’re in the shop, sorting out cars, right? What an 
opportunity to get caught up!

I was in a meeting on the phone a few weeks ago and painting a room in my 
house. It’s called “multitasking”.

-D



On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just deal with dealers over the phone

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Better yet, like when I was painting - get a headset with a mic.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Speakerphone while you’re in the shop, sorting out cars, right? What an 
> opportunity to get caught up!
> 
> I was in a meeting on the phone a few weeks ago and painting a room in my 
> house. It’s called “multitasking”.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just deal with dealers over the phone
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Speakerphone while you’re in the shop, sorting out cars, right? What an 
opportunity to get caught up!

I was in a meeting on the phone a few weeks ago and painting a room in my 
house. It’s called “multitasking”.

-D


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just deal with dealers over the phone
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Paid vacation? Or busy work?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And now we are not allowed to visit customers at all. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
 Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  
 Ability so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a 
 dealership, pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters 
 away from the client, who brings his own chair.
 
 clay
 
 
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. 
> So no overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was 
> going to check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go 
> visit any dealerships at all and just work from home 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Travel

BUT by the time you get there, they may have decided you are not 
permitted to land . . .




On 17/03/2020 4:54 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Tampa to Christchurch NZ and return about $1500 with choice of four major 
airlines.
(l-o-o-o-o-n-g flights).
Gerry

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:50:45 -0400
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:


Just got some spam from Southwest. For grins I tossed in some dates later this 
month for a round trip from Tampa to Indianapolis.

$176.00. Round trip.

Get some masks and hand sanitizer and head out!

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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

Can’t find it, but there’s this thread on PP among many:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/394770-sbc-warrany-extension-part-2-a.html

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be checked 
>> by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low miles, can't 
>> tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
>> 
>> 2004 benz e-class
>> $1,500
>> Vehicles 
>> Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> About This Vehicle…
>> 
>> Driven 139,074 miles
>> Automatic transmission
>> 
>> 
>> Seller's description…
>> 
>> 》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING ME 
>> WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for $1,500. 
>> All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this vehicle. 2004 
>> Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an issue with the 
>> brakes on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light is on, and the 
>> brakes do not work, therefore you can not test drive this car, but it does 
>> crank up and run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► 
>> Leather ► Clean History If you're interested in this vehicle, it is 
>> available to view on Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Just deal with dealers over the phone

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Paid vacation? Or busy work?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And now we are not allowed to visit customers at all. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  
>>> Ability so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a 
>>> dealership, pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters 
>>> away from the client, who brings his own chair.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
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  wrote:
 
 So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. So 
 no overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was 
 going to check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go 
 visit any dealerships at all and just work from home 
 
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Re: [MBZ] SBC controller?

25 year warranty. There is a VIN check tool on MBUSA.com, I believe.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be checked by 
> the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low miles, can't tell 
> what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258
> 
> 2004 benz e-class
> $1,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 139,074 miles
> Automatic transmission
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING ME 
> WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for $1,500. 
> All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this vehicle. 2004 
> Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an issue with the brakes 
> on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light is on, and the brakes do not 
> work, therefore you can not test drive this car, but it does crank up and 
> run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner ► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean 
> History If you're interested in this vehicle, it is available to view on 
> Shearouse Motors lot, Monday
> 
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[MBZ] SBC controller?

which I think is a warranty/recall repair?  I think the VIN can be 
checked by the stealer, or maybe it is on Carfax?  It looks nice, low 
miles, can't tell what it is, the badge is in the right side of the trunk


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2336101070020258

2004 benz e-class
$1,500
Vehicles 
Listed 2 days ago in Port Wentworth, GA 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 139,074 miles
Automatic transmission


 Seller's description…

》》MECHANICS SPECIAL《《 PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE CONTACTING 
ME WITH QUESTIONS!!! This vehicle is being SOLD AS IS NO WARRANTY for 
$1,500. All the information in this ad, is all that I know about this 
vehicle. 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320 VIN# WDBUF65J84A416090 》》There is an 
issue with the brakes on this 2004 Mercedes-Benz E320. The brake light 
is on, and the brakes do not work, therefore you can not test drive this 
car, but it does crank up and run. ► 139,074 Miles ► Automatic ► 1‐Owner 
► Keyless Entry ► Leather ► Clean History If you're interested in this 
vehicle, it is available to view on Shearouse Motors lot, Monday


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Re: [MBZ] Travel

BTDT, only from Milwaukee. ORD to LAX or SFO, then to Christchurch, a killer 
long day and a half. That’s a heck of a deal. I wonder what they are to 
Australia, since their government controls airfares to protect Quantas. There 
are rarely deals to fly Down Under. However, if you go to NZ and then hop over 
to Aussieland (a 3-4 hour flight, depending on where you’re landing) it’s 
fairly cheap.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:54 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Tampa to Christchurch NZ and return about $1500 with choice of four major 
> airlines. 
> (l-o-o-o-o-n-g flights).
> Gerry
> 
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:50:45 -0400
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Just got some spam from Southwest. For grins I tossed in some dates later 
>> this month for a round trip from Tampa to Indianapolis.
>> 
>> $176.00. Round trip.
>> 
>> Get some masks and hand sanitizer and head out!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> What is a cheesegrater?

Every Mac Pro except the now-superseded round 'trashcan' model, and including
the first G5 PowerMac.  So named because of the strong resemblance the
front of the case has to the common kitchen tool.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

Sorry. Mac Geekspeak:

https://512pixels.net/2017/04/the-cheese-grater-mac-pro/

-D


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is a cheesegrater?
> 
> Allan
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Nice.
>> 
>> I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad core Xeons running at 2.26GHz, 
>> 28GB of RAM, a GTX680 flashed with Apple firmware, 500GB SSD for the boot 
>> drive, two 1TB hard drives for file storage and a 6TB hard drive as an 
>> internal Time Machine backup that I mirror to my FreeNAS box daily. I’ve 
>> toyed wit the idea of upgrading processors, but for what? I don’t really do 
>> anything that stresses the ones I have now.
>> 
>> There’s nothing I can’t throw at this box that it can’t handle. I love 
>> transcoding video with Handbrake, as it zips through files in no time flat.
>> 
>> I just recently upgraded to High Sierra from El Capitan because I could. No 
>> noticeable improvement, but probably more secure.
>> 
>> I loves my cheesegrater.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in the middle of upgrading my tricked-out Mac Pro 1,1 to a
>>> tricked-out Mac Pro 4,1.  This is essentially for work purposes,
>>> and when I'm done it'll be running High Sierra instead of El Capitan,
>>> and as a result capable of running the latest VMware and DxO packages.
>>> 
>>> This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
>>> the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty nice.
>>> When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU array,
>>> 48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.
>>> 
>>> Total cash outlay was a little higher than I'd like, some $800, but you
>>> can't touch anything new-ish for that kind of money, and this should
>>> serve well for several years.  I checked, and I've used the 1,1 for four
>>> years.  Performance of the 1,1 has never been any kind of issue, and
>>> I expect the same of the 4,1.  (Neither machine is considered 'fast'
>>> today, but a lot of that is just skewed expectations.  They both ARE
>>> fast, just not AS fast as some newer machines.  But, unless you're
>>> doing work where that matters it's a non-issue.  This 4,1 can process
>>> my typical photos at about 1 per second, which is plenty good enough,
>>> and I don't even have the new 5,1 CPU's in it yet.)
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> Unless you have software designed to use all of [the cores] what use are they?

None whatsoever.  DxO PhotoLab (current name) _is_ one of the things that
will make good use of all available cores.  This program is what prompted my
move to a cheese grater to begin with.  This after processing _one_ batch of
photos on my MBP laptop took pretty much all weekend.  The cheese grater
did it in an hour or two.  Much faster CPU's, faster (and more) RAM, and eight
cores instead of two.  The upcoming 5,1 configuration will have 24 threads,
each 10% faster than today, and a faster RAM bus.  I expect it to really scoot.

Anybody doing photo/audio/video work _is_ using software that will make good
use of multiprocessing.

Build servers also can make good use of this.  Also rendering farms, cloud 
service
providers, etc.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Paid vacation? Or busy work?

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And now we are not allowed to visit customers at all. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  Ability 
>> so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a dealership, 
>> pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters away from the 
>> client, who brings his own chair.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. So 
>>> no overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was 
>>> going to check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go 
>>> visit any dealerships at all and just work from home 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

What is a cheesegrater?

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Nice.
>
> I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad core Xeons running at 2.26GHz, 
> 28GB of RAM, a GTX680 flashed with Apple firmware, 500GB SSD for the boot 
> drive, two 1TB hard drives for file storage and a 6TB hard drive as an 
> internal Time Machine backup that I mirror to my FreeNAS box daily. I’ve 
> toyed wit the idea of upgrading processors, but for what? I don’t really do 
> anything that stresses the ones I have now.
>
> There’s nothing I can’t throw at this box that it can’t handle. I love 
> transcoding video with Handbrake, as it zips through files in no time flat.
>
> I just recently upgraded to High Sierra from El Capitan because I could. No 
> noticeable improvement, but probably more secure.
>
> I loves my cheesegrater.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm in the middle of upgrading my tricked-out Mac Pro 1,1 to a
>> tricked-out Mac Pro 4,1.  This is essentially for work purposes,
>> and when I'm done it'll be running High Sierra instead of El Capitan,
>> and as a result capable of running the latest VMware and DxO packages.
>> 
>> This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
>> the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty nice.
>> When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU array,
>> 48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.
>> 
>> Total cash outlay was a little higher than I'd like, some $800, but you
>> can't touch anything new-ish for that kind of money, and this should
>> serve well for several years.  I checked, and I've used the 1,1 for four
>> years.  Performance of the 1,1 has never been any kind of issue, and
>> I expect the same of the 4,1.  (Neither machine is considered 'fast'
>> today, but a lot of that is just skewed expectations.  They both ARE
>> fast, just not AS fast as some newer machines.  But, unless you're
>> doing work where that matters it's a non-issue.  This 4,1 can process
>> my typical photos at about 1 per second, which is plenty good enough,
>> and I don't even have the new 5,1 CPU's in it yet.)
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Travel

2020-03-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Tampa to Christchurch NZ and return about $1500 with choice of four major 
airlines. 
(l-o-o-o-o-n-g flights).
Gerry

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:50:45 -0400
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:

> Just got some spam from Southwest. For grins I tossed in some dates later 
> this month for a round trip from Tampa to Indianapolis.
> 
> $176.00. Round trip.
> 
> Get some masks and hand sanitizer and head out!
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> It’s in another physical location in the house, which is good enough for me.

My brother suffered a catastrophic house fire.  It got his primary computer,
a new-to-him cheesegrater, and its backup drive.  It also got his former
primary computer, an XP machine of some sort which had not yet been
demoted to storage.  (Where it would have been safe.)  He lost everything,
nothing was left but a handful of crap from one corner of one closet.  He
lost ALL of his data, which primarily meant photographs, including those
from his marriage to his wife, who was also lost in the fire.  We had talked
about some kind of non-colocated backup as the next reasonable step,
but had not gotten there yet.

That kind of thing is why I have implemented my 3-level backup system.
His misfortune just hammered home the necessity of doing more than
most people do.  I do not trust 'the cloud', so I'm doing it myself the
old-school way.

ONE failure, no matter what it is nor how severe, can NOT cause us to
lose everything.  Even the most virulent seek-and-destroy virus cannot
touch the offline/offsite copies, which is part of why offline/offsite is an
important component of our defense in depth.

There are from three to FIVE copies of ALL of our data:

1) The original, on one of our ten desktop/laptop machines;
2) Copy #1 in the mirrored RAID server;
3) Copy #2 in the mirrored RAID server;
4) Copy #3, one/two quarter(s) old, offline and in a Diebold fire safe,
   itself inside a six-faced mostly underground concrete structure;
5) Copy #4, two/one quarter(s) old, offsite.

This is all 99% automatic, nobody has to do anything special except for
me swapping two cheese grater drive sleds every quarter.  (Alternating
which of the two I grab each time.  I bought extra sleds for the RAID slices
to make this very easy, no screwdriver required.)

The phones are backed up to the computers, the computers are backed up
to the RAID, the RAID is backed up to offline/offsite media.  We are as covered
as covered can be.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

And now we are not allowed to visit customers at all. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  Ability 
> so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a dealership, 
> pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters away from the 
> client, who brings his own chair.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. So 
>> no overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was going 
>> to check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go visit 
>> any dealerships at all and just work from home 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:35:20 -0800 Clay via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.
> Ability so self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a
> dealership, pull out a folding chair under the shade and stay two
> meters away from the client, who brings his own chair.

Why stop with a class C RV? Why not go to class A?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:56:13 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
> the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty
> nice. When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU
> array, 48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.

Are all those cores (and threads) really helpful?

In keeping an eye on what my four-core processor does with CentOS-5.11,
I don't see even four cores being used.

In looking at the new AMD Ryzen processors, I see 6-, 8-, 10-, and
16-core processors. Unless you have software designed to use all of
them (multi-threaded and multi-tasking), what use are they?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

2020-03-17 Thread Clay via Mercedes

Time for you to get a Hobo Dojo (class C RV) and work out of that.  Ability so 
self isolate and be on the road at the same time.  Stop at a dealership, pull 
out a folding chair under the shade and stay two meters away from the client, 
who brings his own chair.

clay

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. So no 
> overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was going to 
> check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go visit any 
> dealerships at all and just work from home 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:11 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t
> emphasize enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many
> years ago and swore never again. Removable storage is cheap.

Yep.  I got two separate drives doing Time Machine backup in my
cheesegrater.  One is a USB external, which I use to take my data with me
on road trips, etc...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

So now it has progressed to us not being able to stay in hotels either. So no 
overnight trips. I was talking to my boss about all this and he was going to 
check, but he said since I was out in SF they may say I can’t go visit any 
dealerships at all and just work from home 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Get out of the city and it’s not bad at all. San Bruno was a great place to 
> live, as was Montara. Too darned expensive, that’s for sure.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You should self isolate after visiting that filthy shithole.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make that movie "Trapped in San Francisco" Script is already written...
>>> first, standing in line to catch the scheduled flight, only to be advised
>>> all flights are now canceled... cut to Kaleb walking to the baggage claim
>>> to collect his bags, finally.. then walking out to the sidewalk to join the
>>> homeless hordes while not being able to find a bathroom... finally segue to
>>> his first sidewalk squat, where he "becomes one with the homeless horde"
>>> for the first time...
>>> Who knows it could become the next Holly Wood hit... prime time TV... a
>>> new career... ;))
>>> 
>>> Keep safe , stay healthy...
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow
 
 --FT
 
> On 3/17/20 1:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been
 stuck there?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

Good point, but I don’t run VMware on my cheesegrater so it’s not an issue. The 
few VMs I run on occasion I’ll do on VirtualBox. Since swapping CPUs on these 
means taking them apart (de-lidding) I’ll stick with what I’ve got.

My 4,1/5,1 came with an Apple RAID card and four 800GB 15k iSCSI enterprise 
grade drives. It puked about a year after I got the machine, so I gutted it and 
went back to regular SATA drives.

I like the belt and suspenders approach to backups, so I just recently snagged 
the 6TB drive to do a local TM backup which gets mirrored to my FreeNAS box 
with six 2TB hard drives hosting an 8TB ZFS volume. It’s in another physical 
location in the house, which is good enough for me. I also run separate backups 
of each physical drive in the cheesegrater weekly using SuperDuper. Those got 
to a separate partition on the 6TB internal drive and also get mirrored to the 
FreeNAS box in a separate partition in the ZFS volume.

I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t emphasize 
enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many years ago and 
swore never again. Removable storage is cheap.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what?
> 
> VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as 
> they do
> not on my X5570's.  That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 
> Westmeres;
> if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the fastest ones.  
> (Still pending.)
> 
> My Time Machine backups go to another 1,1 cheese grater that has a 2TB RAID 
> in it.
> There are 10 machines (including itself) aimed at that RAID.  The mirrored 
> RAID has
> four 2TB slices, two of which are always offline/offsite, in rotation.  All 
> four are NEVER
> physically in the same place at the same time.  It'd take something like an 
> asteroid strike
> to get them all in the same disaster.  In which case, I doubt I'd care.  The 
> cheese grater's
> drive sleds make quarterly RAID rotation nearly trivial.  (Power down, swap 
> one drive,
> power up.  The RAID rebuild is automatic and currently takes about 8 hours.)
> 
> 2TB is getting a little tight.  But, I have to buy 4 identical drives at a 
> pop, so I like to wait
> until I HAVE to upgrade, so that the prices have fallen as far as they will.  
> The 2TB's have
> served for nearly six years already, and only now have I had to trim off some 
> of the oldest
> backup sets.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

Get out of the city and it’s not bad at all. San Bruno was a great place to 
live, as was Montara. Too darned expensive, that’s for sure.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You should self isolate after visiting that filthy shithole.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Make that movie "Trapped in San Francisco" Script is already written...
>> first, standing in line to catch the scheduled flight, only to be advised
>> all flights are now canceled... cut to Kaleb walking to the baggage claim
>> to collect his bags, finally.. then walking out to the sidewalk to join the
>> homeless hordes while not being able to find a bathroom... finally segue to
>> his first sidewalk squat, where he "becomes one with the homeless horde"
>> for the first time...
>> Who knows it could become the next Holly Wood hit... prime time TV... a
>> new career... ;))
>> 
>> Keep safe , stay healthy...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 3/17/20 1:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been
>>> stuck there?
 
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

2020-03-17 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

You should self isolate after visiting that filthy shithole.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Make that movie "Trapped in San Francisco" Script is already written...
> first, standing in line to catch the scheduled flight, only to be advised
> all flights are now canceled... cut to Kaleb walking to the baggage claim
> to collect his bags, finally.. then walking out to the sidewalk to join the
> homeless hordes while not being able to find a bathroom... finally segue to
> his first sidewalk squat, where he "becomes one with the homeless horde"
> for the first time...
> Who knows it could become the next Holly Wood hit... prime time TV... a
> new career... ;))
> 
> Keep safe , stay healthy...
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
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>> stuck there?
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Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

2020-03-17 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Good luck with your new place! My son is going to be near there in Warrenton, 
if the USCG actually goes through with the transfer from HNL.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

On this St. Paddy’s day, our house is gonna be wearin’ some new green paint to 
prepare it for sale. It looks like we’re going to be moving to a new house on 
4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR. I’ll have a shop in which to tinker on the 240D 
as well as repairing and rebuilding RC cars for my RC trade-in business. 
There’s plenty of area out back to run them! The Doodle puppies will have 
plenty of space to run and play, and all of this will cost over $100K less than 
the selling price of our current city residence!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 630 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> HAPPY ST. PATRICK's DAY to one and all!
> 
> Tis a glorious day fer tha wearin o th green!
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Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

Slow day. No delays that I’m aware of.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow!   over 4 hours  til there was a response.   Was my email delayed?Or 
> are all y'all grumpy?
> 
> Congrats Kevin!  Sounds like good times ahead!
> 
> 
> Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 12:22 PM:
>> On this St. Paddy’s day, our house is gonna be wearin’ some new green paint 
>> to prepare it for sale. It looks like we’re going to be moving to a new 
>> house on 4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR. I’ll have a shop in which to tinker 
>> on the 240D as well as repairing and rebuilding RC cars for my RC trade-in 
>> business. There’s plenty of area out back to run them! The Doodle puppies 
>> will have plenty of space to run and play, and all of this will cost over 
>> $100K less than the selling price of our current city residence!!
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 2019 Sprinter 630 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen
>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> HAPPY ST. PATRICK's DAY to one and all!
>>> 
>>> Tis a glorious day fer tha wearin o th green!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

Wow!   over 4 hours  til there was a response.   Was my email 
delayed?    Or are all y'all grumpy?


Congrats Kevin!  Sounds like good times ahead!


Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 12:22 PM:

On this St. Paddy’s day, our house is gonna be wearin’ some new green paint to 
prepare it for sale. It looks like we’re going to be moving to a new house on 
4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR. I’ll have a shop in which to tinker on the 240D 
as well as repairing and rebuilding RC cars for my RC trade-in business. 
There’s plenty of area out back to run them! The Doodle puppies will have 
plenty of space to run and play, and all of this will cost over $100K less than 
the selling price of our current city residence!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 630 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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HAPPY ST. PATRICK's DAY to one and all!

Tis a glorious day fer tha wearin o th green!





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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:35:57 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> And could be a reasonable selling price
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/

Isn't the 350 the rod-bender engine?

And at only 49k, has it not been run enough to eliminate consideration of
that problem?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what?

VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as 
they do
not on my X5570's.  That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 
Westmeres;
if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the fastest ones.  
(Still pending.)

My Time Machine backups go to another 1,1 cheese grater that has a 2TB RAID in 
it.
There are 10 machines (including itself) aimed at that RAID.  The mirrored RAID 
has
four 2TB slices, two of which are always offline/offsite, in rotation.  All 
four are NEVER
physically in the same place at the same time.  It'd take something like an 
asteroid strike
to get them all in the same disaster.  In which case, I doubt I'd care.  The 
cheese grater's
drive sleds make quarterly RAID rotation nearly trivial.  (Power down, swap one 
drive,
power up.  The RAID rebuild is automatic and currently takes about 8 hours.)

2TB is getting a little tight.  But, I have to buy 4 identical drives at a pop, 
so I like to wait
until I HAVE to upgrade, so that the prices have fallen as far as they will.  
The 2TB's have
served for nearly six years already, and only now have I had to trim off some 
of the oldest
backup sets.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...


"Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" John Candy and Steve Martin.


On 17/03/2020 1:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Make that movie "Trapped in San Francisco" Script is already written...
first, standing in line to catch the scheduled flight, only to be advised
all flights are now canceled... cut to Kaleb walking to the baggage claim
to collect his bags, finally.. then walking out to the sidewalk to join the
homeless hordes while not being able to find a bathroom... finally segue to
his first sidewalk squat, where he "becomes one with the homeless horde"
for the first time...
Who knows it could become the next Holly Wood hit... prime time TV... a
new career... ;))

Keep safe , stay healthy...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow

--FT

On 3/17/20 1:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been

stuck there?

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Re: [MBZ] GL450

Go for it. Not a Bluetec.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:08 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I bought my SL600 from these guys, Bulgarians running this lot. They
> were actually nice folks and quite reasonable.  Saw this thing listed, I
> also saw they are doing $1500 off on cars on the lot because I guess
> nothing is moving these days.  Don't know if it applies to this vehicle
> but it looks nice and that could be a reasonable price.  Not a dizzle
> but the depreciation gets them down to reasonable prices.  I have no
> idea what the reliability on these things is but it would be a useful
> vehicle (if it doesn't kakk).
>
>
> https://www.brothersautossc.com/details/used-2011-mercedes-benz-gl-class/64101540
>
> Maybe I can take my $1000 gummint stimulus to put a down payment on it!
>
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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

One thing you have to admit, is that BAT appears to be an easy way to 
find special cars.


On 17/03/2020 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would tend to agree, but it will take a lot of time and effort to do so. The 
question is whether or not that effort is worth the BaT premium?

While there aren’t many, I’ve seen some reasonable deals on BaT as long as they 
don’t let the sellers have stupid reserve prices. Do understand that cars that 
don’t meet their reserve will often get sold anyway outside of BaT.

That being said, if there was a unicorn car I was looking for I would expend a 
fair amount of effort to find it before I fell back on BaT. However, as I’ve 
stated here many times, the best deal is almost always buying the very best 
example of the car you can find for the money you can spend. It’s far cheaper 
in the long run. Always.

-D


On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I would be it is safe to say you can find cars that are equal in condition 
elsewhere that can be bought much cheaper than BAT

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On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Not totally true but you won't find much for $500



On 17/03/2020 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

And could be a reasonable selling price

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

Nice.

I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad core Xeons running at 2.26GHz, 
28GB of RAM, a GTX680 flashed with Apple firmware, 500GB SSD for the boot 
drive, two 1TB hard drives for file storage and a 6TB hard drive as an internal 
Time Machine backup that I mirror to my FreeNAS box daily. I’ve toyed wit the 
idea of upgrading processors, but for what? I don’t really do anything that 
stresses the ones I have now.

There’s nothing I can’t throw at this box that it can’t handle. I love 
transcoding video with Handbrake, as it zips through files in no time flat.

I just recently upgraded to High Sierra from El Capitan because I could. No 
noticeable improvement, but probably more secure.

I loves my cheesegrater.

-D


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> 
> I'm in the middle of upgrading my tricked-out Mac Pro 1,1 to a
> tricked-out Mac Pro 4,1.  This is essentially for work purposes,
> and when I'm done it'll be running High Sierra instead of El Capitan,
> and as a result capable of running the latest VMware and DxO packages.
> 
> This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
> the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty nice.
> When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU array,
> 48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.
> 
> Total cash outlay was a little higher than I'd like, some $800, but you
> can't touch anything new-ish for that kind of money, and this should
> serve well for several years.  I checked, and I've used the 1,1 for four
> years.  Performance of the 1,1 has never been any kind of issue, and
> I expect the same of the 4,1.  (Neither machine is considered 'fast'
> today, but a lot of that is just skewed expectations.  They both ARE
> fast, just not AS fast as some newer machines.  But, unless you're
> doing work where that matters it's a non-issue.  This 4,1 can process
> my typical photos at about 1 per second, which is plenty good enough,
> and I don't even have the new 5,1 CPU's in it yet.)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

2020-03-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Make that movie "Trapped in San Francisco" Script is already written...
first, standing in line to catch the scheduled flight, only to be advised
all flights are now canceled... cut to Kaleb walking to the baggage claim
to collect his bags, finally.. then walking out to the sidewalk to join the
homeless hordes while not being able to find a bathroom... finally segue to
his first sidewalk squat, where he "becomes one with the homeless horde"
for the first time...
Who knows it could become the next Holly Wood hit... prime time TV... a
new career... ;))

Keep safe , stay healthy...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/17/20 1:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been
> stuck there?
> >
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[MBZ] GL450

I bought my SL600 from these guys, Bulgarians running this lot. They 
were actually nice folks and quite reasonable.  Saw this thing listed, I 
also saw they are doing $1500 off on cars on the lot because I guess 
nothing is moving these days.  Don't know if it applies to this vehicle 
but it looks nice and that could be a reasonable price.  Not a dizzle 
but the depreciation gets them down to reasonable prices.  I have no 
idea what the reliability on these things is but it would be a useful 
vehicle (if it doesn't kakk).


https://www.brothersautossc.com/details/used-2011-mercedes-benz-gl-class/64101540

Maybe I can take my $1000 gummint stimulus to put a down payment on it!

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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...


yep.  You could have made a movie, Escape from San Franfreakshow

--FT

On 3/17/20 1:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been stuck 
there?

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Re: [MBZ] So evidently...

 You probably could have rented a car and driven home but still.
Realistically to stop this thing we're going to need sweeping travel bans...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 1:54:15 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been stuck 
there?

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[MBZ] OT: Computers

I'm in the middle of upgrading my tricked-out Mac Pro 1,1 to a
tricked-out Mac Pro 4,1.  This is essentially for work purposes,
and when I'm done it'll be running High Sierra instead of El Capitan,
and as a result capable of running the latest VMware and DxO packages.

This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with
the new-ish laptop I've been using.  And, the 30" monitor is pretty nice.
When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU array,
48GB of RAM, 3TB of disk, plus a small SSD for the OS and apps.

Total cash outlay was a little higher than I'd like, some $800, but you
can't touch anything new-ish for that kind of money, and this should
serve well for several years.  I checked, and I've used the 1,1 for four
years.  Performance of the 1,1 has never been any kind of issue, and
I expect the same of the 4,1.  (Neither machine is considered 'fast'
today, but a lot of that is just skewed expectations.  They both ARE
fast, just not AS fast as some newer machines.  But, unless you're
doing work where that matters it's a non-issue.  This 4,1 can process
my typical photos at about 1 per second, which is plenty good enough,
and I don't even have the new 5,1 CPU's in it yet.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, crazy price

Now at 23.6 thou.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 1:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Last production year, Silver Arrow option package both bump it up
> considerably, on top of being a V12 rocket ship. If you really wanted an
> SL, this would be the one to get.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > But I guess these are now collector cars
> >
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-sl600-6/
> >
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[MBZ] OT: IIRC some of you like my videos

This one is a little different from the others: https://youtu.be/6LYxox-EUGA
-Curt
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[MBZ] So evidently...

I got out of San Francisco just in time. Otherwise would I have been stuck 
there?

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Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

Beautiful area if you can tolerate the lack of sunlight during the winter 
months. Pretty rural, too. So, so very green, though. I envy you - I can’t 
imagine what it would be like to have some acreage.

I used to take the wife to Cannon Beach when I went out to Portland on 
business. Drive down the coast to Tillamook and buy cheese. Someone told me the 
other day that Tillamook has ice cream in Publix now. Gotta check that out if 
there’s any on the shelf…

Good luck, hopefully the real estate market won’t be affected by this current 
crisis. We’ve got a closing on the 25th for the former homestead, and as of 
yesterday everything was on track. Unfortunately, mortgage rates probably won’t 
drop much as lenders are getting hammered by people wanting to refinance. We 
may sit out for a few months before do a refi on our current home and reinvest 
the proceeds from the former place.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> ...moving to a new house on 4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR.
> 
> I hope you like rain!  I think it's even wetter there than in Portlandia.  
> I've driven through
> there many times on the way to the family cabin at Long Beach.  (Ever since 
> they removed
> the toll on the Astoria bridge.)
> 
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> ...moving to a new house on 4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR.

I hope you like rain!  I think it's even wetter there than in Portlandia.  I've 
driven through
there many times on the way to the family cabin at Long Beach.  (Ever since 
they removed
the toll on the Astoria bridge.)

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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

I would tend to agree, but it will take a lot of time and effort to do so. The 
question is whether or not that effort is worth the BaT premium?

While there aren’t many, I’ve seen some reasonable deals on BaT as long as they 
don’t let the sellers have stupid reserve prices. Do understand that cars that 
don’t meet their reserve will often get sold anyway outside of BaT.

That being said, if there was a unicorn car I was looking for I would expend a 
fair amount of effort to find it before I fell back on BaT. However, as I’ve 
stated here many times, the best deal is almost always buying the very best 
example of the car you can find for the money you can spend. It’s far cheaper 
in the long run. Always.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would be it is safe to say you can find cars that are equal in condition 
> elsewhere that can be bought much cheaper than BAT
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not totally true but you won't find much for $500
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/03/2020 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

 And could be a reasonable selling price

 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/

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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

When I heard about BAT I always thought non running projects. 

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They started trying to aggregate car sale listings for unique and unusual 
> cars into a single web site. Like “here’s one from Craigslist, here’s one 
> from the Auto Trader", etc. In fact, that’s all it was for a while. The 
> auction thing is something they sort of morphed into.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's kind of strange because from the name of the site you would think
>> it was for non-drivable project cars. Is that how they started?
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] St Patrick

2020-03-17 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

On this St. Paddy’s day, our house is gonna be wearin’ some new green paint to 
prepare it for sale. It looks like we’re going to be moving to a new house on 
4.82 acres in Clatskanie, OR. I’ll have a shop in which to tinker on the 240D 
as well as repairing and rebuilding RC cars for my RC trade-in business. 
There’s plenty of area out back to run them! The Doodle puppies will have 
plenty of space to run and play, and all of this will cost over $100K less than 
the selling price of our current city residence!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 630 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

I would be it is safe to say you can find cars that are equal in condition 
elsewhere that can be bought much cheaper than BAT

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> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not totally true but you won't find much for $500
> 
> 
>> On 17/03/2020 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And could be a reasonable selling price
>>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

They started trying to aggregate car sale listings for unique and unusual cars 
into a single web site. Like “here’s one from Craigslist, here’s one from the 
Auto Trader", etc. In fact, that’s all it was for a while. The auction thing is 
something they sort of morphed into.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> It's kind of strange because from the name of the site you would think
> it was for non-drivable project cars. Is that how they started?
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

It's kind of strange because from the name of the site you would think
it was for non-drivable project cars. Is that how they started?

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

>  Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, crazy price

Last production year, Silver Arrow option package both bump it up considerably, 
on top of being a V12 rocket ship. If you really wanted an SL, this would be 
the one to get.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> But I guess these are now collector cars
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-sl600-6/
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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, crazy price

It's got the Silver Arrow package of options!

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> But I guess these are now collector cars
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-sl600-6/
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Re: [MBZ] Okiebenz Covid-19 policy

Yes - teeth cleaning requires general anesthesia.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do they have to put her out in order to clean her teeth? That part
> always worried us. We have had good luck with animal teeth. We were
> always careful to feed them food that was supposed to help keep the
> teeth clean.
>
> My son's cat was an orange tabby with big feet. He had an extra toe on
> each front foot. His name was Cusco (Sp?) as in the Disney movie
> character. He never seemed to take to me but I liked him anyway and will
> miss him when we visit. He lived in Ottawa.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 17/03/2020 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Wow. That had to suck. I’ve had pets die in my lap (stroke) and had to
> put them down at the vet. Both suck.
> >
> > I put off having the feral cat’s teeth cleaned, as she ate dry kibble
> and I was pretty satisfied that her teeth looked fine. After she got the
> hypothyroid diagnosis and we got her sorted with that, I had her teeth
> cleaned. They had to pop a couple out, and found that she had had an
> abscess behind one of them for some time. Really made a difference in her
> appetite, even after getting the hypothyroid stuff sorted.
> >
> > Boy, did I feel like a jerk after that. Sorry, Kitty. Annual dental
> cleanings now.
> >
> > Get your cat’s echocardiogram done, Andrew. Don’t put it off.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 17/03/2020 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> We are healthy but our 15 yo cat needs an echcardiogram to diagnose a
> heart
> >>> murmur.  Anyone BTDT?
> >>>
> >> Well, if you care about the cat, you probably should not wait too long
> to check it out. My son's 7 year old cat appeared to be off his feed and
> then to be having some trouble breathing. They took him to the vet and he
> was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. While at the vet's discussing
> what to do, he died. Extra stress of being at the vet's maybe? In any event
> they were somewhat horrified.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, our poor old Bichon had a heart murmur for years. We
> were told that would likely be the ultimate cause of his death but it did
> not finish him off before he developed so many other issues that we
> ultimately had him put down.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice


Not totally true but you won't find much for $500


On 17/03/2020 11:54 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

  Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

And could be a reasonable selling price

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/

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Re: [MBZ] This looks really nice

 Nothing on BAT is a reasonable price 

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> 
> And could be a reasonable selling price
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/
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Re: [MBZ] Now Kitty was Okiebenz Covid-19 policy

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes, they put her out to do her cleaning. I had numerous purebred cats
> before her that got their teeth cleaned on occasion, and they always
> put them out to do it.

I think this is the case with all dogs or cats, probably any
animal. They just will not hold still for a person prodding around in
their mouth, and if you tried to restrain them sufficiently they would
get really agitated and stressed out. Sedation is pretty much mandatory.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT:Covid 19 Podcast

Listen to this then get back to us.  The math (and science they present) 
is not too hard to understand, and they talk about how "flattening the 
curve" MIGHT change the transmission/infection/fatality rate but it 
could still result in 1-1.5mil US fatalities (that would be like 0.3% 
which is low compared to other places, apparently) based on current 
knowledge and projections, which admittedly are not well-known at this 
point but the people who are experts in this stuff are not expecting an 
easy ride. These guys are not hyping the situation, but clearly have 
their own personal human concerns, just reporting known facts and 
projections based on what is known right now.


The virus will persist in the population for several months, and there 
are suggestions that re-infection is possible even if you survive a 
first bout.  The system is going to be overwhelmed in the next few 
weeks, if not sooner, and anyone in a higher-risk group is not going to 
be treated because there will be no resources to do so.


I hope they are wrong but it sure doesn't seem so based on experience in 
other places, and human nature to ignore reality.


https://peterattiamd.com/covid-19-update-03152020/

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On 3/17/20 12:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

https://youtu.be/TOMJjkRtqAw

This guy makes a bit of sense. Are there any math nerds or medical 
professionals that care to listen and comment? The logic and 
statistics make sense to me.


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[MBZ] Now Kitty was Okiebenz Covid-19 policy

Yes, they put her out to do her cleaning. I had numerous purebred cats before 
her that got their teeth cleaned on occasion, and they always put them out to 
do it.

Polydactyl. Not an uncommon congenital deformity. Hemingway’s house has a bunch 
of these in residence.

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do they have to put her out in order to clean her teeth? That part always 
> worried us. We have had good luck with animal teeth. We were always careful 
> to feed them food that was supposed to help keep the teeth clean.
> 
> My son's cat was an orange tabby with big feet. He had an extra toe on each 
> front foot. His name was Cusco (Sp?) as in the Disney movie character. He 
> never seemed to take to me but I liked him anyway and will miss him when we 
> visit. He lived in Ottawa.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 17/03/2020 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Wow. That had to suck. I’ve had pets die in my lap (stroke) and had to put 
>> them down at the vet. Both suck.
>> 
>> I put off having the feral cat’s teeth cleaned, as she ate dry kibble and I 
>> was pretty satisfied that her teeth looked fine. After she got the 
>> hypothyroid diagnosis and we got her sorted with that, I had her teeth 
>> cleaned. They had to pop a couple out, and found that she had had an abscess 
>> behind one of them for some time. Really made a difference in her appetite, 
>> even after getting the hypothyroid stuff sorted.
>> 
>> Boy, did I feel like a jerk after that. Sorry, Kitty. Annual dental 
>> cleanings now.
>> 
>> Get your cat’s echocardiogram done, Andrew. Don’t put it off.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 17/03/2020 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 We are healthy but our 15 yo cat needs an echcardiogram to diagnose a heart
 murmur.  Anyone BTDT?
 
>>> Well, if you care about the cat, you probably should not wait too long to 
>>> check it out. My son's 7 year old cat appeared to be off his feed and then 
>>> to be having some trouble breathing. They took him to the vet and he was 
>>> diagnosed with congestive heart failure. While at the vet's discussing what 
>>> to do, he died. Extra stress of being at the vet's maybe? In any event they 
>>> were somewhat horrified.
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, our poor old Bichon had a heart murmur for years. We 
>>> were told that would likely be the ultimate cause of his death but it did 
>>> not finish him off before he developed so many other issues that we 
>>> ultimately had him put down.
>>> 
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[MBZ] Nice car, crazy price


But I guess these are now collector cars

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-sl600-6/

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Re: [MBZ] Okiebenz Covid-19 policy

Do they have to put her out in order to clean her teeth? That part 
always worried us. We have had good luck with animal teeth. We were 
always careful to feed them food that was supposed to help keep the 
teeth clean.


My son's cat was an orange tabby with big feet. He had an extra toe on 
each front foot. His name was Cusco (Sp?) as in the Disney movie 
character. He never seemed to take to me but I liked him anyway and will 
miss him when we visit. He lived in Ottawa.


RB


On 17/03/2020 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Wow. That had to suck. I’ve had pets die in my lap (stroke) and had to put them 
down at the vet. Both suck.

I put off having the feral cat’s teeth cleaned, as she ate dry kibble and I was 
pretty satisfied that her teeth looked fine. After she got the hypothyroid 
diagnosis and we got her sorted with that, I had her teeth cleaned. They had to 
pop a couple out, and found that she had had an abscess behind one of them for 
some time. Really made a difference in her appetite, even after getting the 
hypothyroid stuff sorted.

Boy, did I feel like a jerk after that. Sorry, Kitty. Annual dental cleanings 
now.

Get your cat’s echocardiogram done, Andrew. Don’t put it off.

-D


On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

On 17/03/2020 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

We are healthy but our 15 yo cat needs an echcardiogram to diagnose a heart
murmur.  Anyone BTDT?


Well, if you care about the cat, you probably should not wait too long to check 
it out. My son's 7 year old cat appeared to be off his feed and then to be 
having some trouble breathing. They took him to the vet and he was diagnosed 
with congestive heart failure. While at the vet's discussing what to do, he 
died. Extra stress of being at the vet's maybe? In any event they were somewhat 
horrified.

On the other hand, our poor old Bichon had a heart murmur for years. We were 
told that would likely be the ultimate cause of his death but it did not finish 
him off before he developed so many other issues that we ultimately had him put 
down.


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[MBZ] This looks really nice


And could be a reasonable selling price

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-mercedes-benz-e55-amg-sedan-18/

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[MBZ] OT:Covid 19 Podcast

2020-03-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

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Re: [MBZ] Okiebenz Covid-19 policy

Wow. That had to suck. I’ve had pets die in my lap (stroke) and had to put them 
down at the vet. Both suck.

I put off having the feral cat’s teeth cleaned, as she ate dry kibble and I was 
pretty satisfied that her teeth looked fine. After she got the hypothyroid 
diagnosis and we got her sorted with that, I had her teeth cleaned. They had to 
pop a couple out, and found that she had had an abscess behind one of them for 
some time. Really made a difference in her appetite, even after getting the 
hypothyroid stuff sorted.

Boy, did I feel like a jerk after that. Sorry, Kitty. Annual dental cleanings 
now.

Get your cat’s echocardiogram done, Andrew. Don’t put it off. 

-D

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 17/03/2020 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> We are healthy but our 15 yo cat needs an echcardiogram to diagnose a heart
>> murmur.  Anyone BTDT?
>> 
> Well, if you care about the cat, you probably should not wait too long to 
> check it out. My son's 7 year old cat appeared to be off his feed and then to 
> be having some trouble breathing. They took him to the vet and he was 
> diagnosed with congestive heart failure. While at the vet's discussing what 
> to do, he died. Extra stress of being at the vet's maybe? In any event they 
> were somewhat horrified.
> 
> On the other hand, our poor old Bichon had a heart murmur for years. We were 
> told that would likely be the ultimate cause of his death but it did not 
> finish him off before he developed so many other issues that we ultimately 
> had him put down.
> 
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[MBZ] OT no rich Corinthian leather


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Re: [MBZ] S350 turbo on BAT

Seems like the old guy just worked on it and "fixed" stuff even if it 
didn't need to be "fxed."  And then didn't drive it.  So it is probably 
pretty much a new/sorted car and could be a good deal even at $6k or $7k 
if one wanted to spend that kind of money on a 26yo car.  Good southern 
hot-climate color I guess but not my cuppa...


--FT

On 3/17/20 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Only 49k miles.  Is this a good deal under at current bid price of around
$5k?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mercedes-benz-s350-turbo-diesel-2/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-03-17
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[MBZ] S350 turbo on BAT

Only 49k miles.  Is this a good deal under at current bid price of around
$5k?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mercedes-benz-s350-turbo-diesel-2/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-03-17
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