Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Assuming a person has a normal immune system, a person should be immune for a 
period of months. This supposition is based on the nature of somewhat similar 
virus diseases. 
A university prof virologist, says the difficulty of making assumptions about 
this virus is that it has the characteristics of 3 different viruses. Given 
more time, more will be known, and treatment will hopefully be more effective.

OK Don wrote:
> Umm - immunity to the common cold, another corona virus, doesn't work.
> There's no real reason to think that this corona virus will let you build
> immunity to it either. All it has to do is morph, change, evolve a bit, and
> off it goes.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:35 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Worldwide we should already be building up a population of cured and
> > immune workers who can go back to work in perfect safety and gradually get
> > cities and towns back on a functional basis; the first item being the
> > restoration of the medical system to the point where both coronavirus
> > patients, and ordinary patients, can be treated effectively.
> >
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

No, gin and hydroxychloroquine.
Gerry

> So,  I should increase intake of Gin and Tonic?
> 
> I wonder if Schweppes still uses original recipe in their tonic
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > If chloroquine does prove to be the magic bullet that controls the 
> > coronavirus epidemic, it will be a remarkable coincidence since the 
> > organism it has been killing for 70+ years; a protzoan; is completely 
> > unrelated to the virus that causes coronavirus infection. That's based on 
> > current knowledge, but there may be biochemical similarities that explain 
> > it. The protozoan is easily seen via a clinical microscope such as below:
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Umm - immunity to the common cold, another corona virus, doesn't work.
There's no real reason to think that this corona virus will let you build
immunity to it either. All it has to do is morph, change, evolve a bit, and
off it goes.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:35 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Worldwide we should already be building up a population of cured and
> immune workers who can go back to work in perfect safety and gradually get
> cities and towns back on a functional basis; the first item being the
> restoration of the medical system to the point where both coronavirus
> patients, and ordinary patients, can be treated effectively.
>
-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Worldwide we should already be building up a population of cured and immune 
workers who can go back to work in perfect safety and gradually get cities and 
towns back on a functional basis; the first item being the restoration of the 
medical system to the point where both coronavirus patients, and ordinary 
patients, can be treated effectively.

..
Clay via Mercedes  wrote:

> Because the press is overly fond of sharing the data, I am able to keep track 
> of the hotbed of US infection on an hourly basis, even though I no longer 
> live in WA.  Latest figure had 74 deaths out of 1376 confirmed infected.  
> That seems consistent with the figure stated below.  There was a 10% fatality 
> in the beginning, but has been falling toward a 5.5% kill ratio since.  
> 
> Alaska is setting up regulations governing behaviour of those entering the 
> state from outside.  The college kids being repatriated, if they come from an 
> area of contagion, will have to isolate for at least 14 days, not attend 
> events outside their homes, use public transport, or come in contact with 
> others outside their homes.
> 
> Meanwhile, eateries are no longer able to serve food unless it is delivery or 
> pick up.  Employment in that sector (including bars) has fallen to 10% of 
> former staffing levels.  Hope is that this only lasts until April 1.  Cruise 
> ships will not arrive until July, which is a massive hit to the employment 
> where boats disgorged visitors.  Expectations were for an increase in 
> revenues of up to 40% in 2020 from tourism.   The oil fields are packing up 
> due to the decrease in oil prices.  Todays. price for a barrel was $22.43, 
> down from the expected/budgeted $69 at the beginning of the year.  Larger 
> companies are idling rigs and dropping capital investment by approx. 25%.  
> News this morning was some $280 million of the expected $1.8bn was leaving 
> the table, with other firms not yet reporting their coming cuts.
> 
> All the applaud for government handouts is silly, as somebody (you and I, the 
> tax payers) will be footing the bill.  Better that we were able to keep on 
> interacting with business to keep the economy flowing, and allow the creation 
> of jobs related to any deaths that take place.  More grave digger jobs, more 
> flower arrangements and florist delivery, more hallmark cards, janitorial 
> positions, and the sports and entertainment sector, as well as travel could 
> just keep chugging along.
> 
> I did enjoy the dissonance of the CBC stories about closing down businesses, 
> rousting kids from college dorms at Concordia in Montreal, shutting the 
> border to non Canadians, and the story of the need to import 16k agricultural 
> workers from Mexico to keep food growing and produce sections viable.  As if 
> wetbacks are immune to the flu.  Just wait until tamale munchers start 
> dropping dead off their burros.
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > More to the point, how many people will need hospitalization to survive, 
> > and for how long.  Doctors in Italy are being forced to decide who gets 
> > life saving care already, and the case load is still climbing.
> > 
> > At the current rate of increase in caseload in the US we will hit 1.5 
> > million infections in about four weeks.  3.5% of that is 51,000 deaths and 
> > 200,000 or so people in the hospital for more than a week, possibly as many 
> > as 700,000.  We don't have that many hospital beds.
> > 
> > Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Clay via Mercedes]

So,  I should increase intake of Gin and Tonic?

I wonder if Schweppes still uses original recipe in their tonic

clay

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If chloroquine does prove to be the magic bullet that controls the 
> coronavirus epidemic, it will be a remarkable coincidence since the organism 
> it has been killing for 70+ years; a protzoan; is completely unrelated to the 
> virus that causes coronavirus infection. That's based on current knowledge, 
> but there may be biochemical similarities that explain it. The protozoan is 
> easily seen via a clinical microscope such as below:



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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Clay via Mercedes]

Because the press is overly fond of sharing the data, I am able to keep track 
of the hotbed of US infection on an hourly basis, even though I no longer live 
in WA.  Latest figure had 74 deaths out of 1376 confirmed infected.  That seems 
consistent with the figure stated below.  There was a 10% fatality in the 
beginning, but has been falling toward a 5.5% kill ratio since.  

Alaska is setting up regulations governing behaviour of those entering the 
state from outside.  The college kids being repatriated, if they come from an 
area of contagion, will have to isolate for at least 14 days, not attend events 
outside their homes, use public transport, or come in contact with others 
outside their homes.

Meanwhile, eateries are no longer able to serve food unless it is delivery or 
pick up.  Employment in that sector (including bars) has fallen to 10% of 
former staffing levels.  Hope is that this only lasts until April 1.  Cruise 
ships will not arrive until July, which is a massive hit to the employment 
where boats disgorged visitors.  Expectations were for an increase in revenues 
of up to 40% in 2020 from tourism.   The oil fields are packing up due to the 
decrease in oil prices.  Todays. price for a barrel was $22.43, down from the 
expected/budgeted $69 at the beginning of the year.  Larger companies are 
idling rigs and dropping capital investment by approx. 25%.  News this morning 
was some $280 million of the expected $1.8bn was leaving the table, with other 
firms not yet reporting their coming cuts.

All the applaud for government handouts is silly, as somebody (you and I, the 
tax payers) will be footing the bill.  Better that we were able to keep on 
interacting with business to keep the economy flowing, and allow the creation 
of jobs related to any deaths that take place.  More grave digger jobs, more 
flower arrangements and florist delivery, more hallmark cards, janitorial 
positions, and the sports and entertainment sector, as well as travel could 
just keep chugging along.

I did enjoy the dissonance of the CBC stories about closing down businesses, 
rousting kids from college dorms at Concordia in Montreal, shutting the border 
to non Canadians, and the story of the need to import 16k agricultural workers 
from Mexico to keep food growing and produce sections viable.  As if wetbacks 
are immune to the flu.  Just wait until tamale munchers start dropping dead off 
their burros.

clay

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> More to the point, how many people will need hospitalization to survive, and 
> for how long.  Doctors in Italy are being forced to decide who gets life 
> saving care already, and the case load is still climbing.
> 
> At the current rate of increase in caseload in the US we will hit 1.5 million 
> infections in about four weeks.  3.5% of that is 51,000 deaths and 200,000 or 
> so people in the hospital for more than a week, possibly as many as 700,000.  
> We don't have that many hospital beds.
> 
> Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Every medical center treating these patients, including ours, is using
hydroxychloroquine. It is an old and well known drug. Not a cure by any
means. We hope it helps.

The epideliologic evidence is extremely poor quality; I will give him
that.  But the lack of high quality evidence applies to his position also.

As is so often the case, this situation boils down to what to do in the
absence of evidence. If everybody taking it easy for a week or three gives
us some time to get better data, I am all for it. The testing is ramping up
by the day and it will not be long until we have on demand testing for
everyone at drive throughs. That will give us a clear picture of true case
fatality and how contagious it is. Those numbers can then drive policy.

If he is wrong, we could be the next Italy. If the feds and states and
cities are being overly cautious, things will be back to normal pretty
soon.

Garcetti put everyone in lockdown tonight, and then Newsom did the same for
the entire state of CA, or something like 37 million people. Interesting
times.

Still waiting for the wave to break at work. We have a few cases, all
elective surgery is cancelled, all staff who can telecommute are doing so,
all meetings that can be done by phone are being done by phone. Lots of
contingency planning because Italy has lots of healthcare workers out with
infection. We remain very short of N95 masks. Not sure when that situation
will improve. Trump approved all the industrial n95 masks for sale to
hospitals, but I think many of them had already been hoarded by
individuals. Basically you need a bunny suit, an N95 and a face shield to
stay healthy if dealing with large numbers of infected patients.

I dont have a problem with doing simple things to slow this down while we
get a better handle on it. Most of us believe it is out there multiplying,
because that is what contagious viruses do. Even if distancing only gives
us some time to get n95 masks to hospitals to protect doctors, nurses and
other staff, it will have been worth doing.

The hospitalized are pretty every divided age group wise. Young people are
dying in this thing. Not as often as old people, but often enough for
everyone to think seriously about it on a personal level. Not too many
contagious things put 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 year olds in the hospital at
similar rates. That is what is happening. Old people are recovering less,
but lots of young people are being hospitalized with viral pneumonia.

Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much higher
than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild overestimates.

Karl



On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:43 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> First the good new: Cure?
>
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/old-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-may-help-cure-coronavirus-study/
>
> Next the contrarian.
>
>
> https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/
>
> "A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal
> influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with
> potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally
> irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated
> and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff
> and dies."
> -
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[MBZ] Fwd: Wuhan Flu: An Update from Mayo Clinic

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

*From:* Mayo Clinic, Evanthia Galanis, M.D. 


*Date:* March 19, 2020 at 10:19 PM
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*Subject:* Wuhan Flu: An Update from Mayo Clinic
Thank you for your continued trust in Mayo Clinic.
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Dear ,

As the situation related to Wuhan Flu (Wuhan coronavirus) continues to 
evolve, I wanted to share an update about Mayo Clinic’s ongoing 
response and connect you to our most up-to-date and trusted 
information and resources.


Updates from Mayo Clinic include:

  * *Mayo Clinic Deferring Elective Care:* To ensure the safest
possible environment for our patients and staff and to free up
resources to assist in Mayo Clinic’s response to the Wuhan Flu
pandemic, Mayo is deferring all elective care that can be deferred
for eight or more weeks. Please know that we did not make this
decision lightly, and in order for it to be effective, we must be
stringent in applying it. Mayo will be reaching out to patients if
changes to existing appointments are needed. Mayo Clinic is not
alone in taking this extraordinary measure, as health systems
across the country are starting to implement similar actions. More
information is available at Mayo Clinic News Network

.


  * *What to Do If You Suspect **Wuhan Flu:* In an article on Mayo
Clinic News Network

,
Dr. Clayton Cowl provides guidance for people who have a cough,
fever, fatigue or other symptoms.

  * *Tips on Handling Concerns Related to **Wuhan Flu:* If worry about
coronavirus is becoming disruptive in your life, Dr. Sheila
Jowsey-Gregoire, a Mayo Clinic psychiatrist, has advice in this
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These coping strategies can help you feel more in control of your
emotions and lessen the anxiety associated with the pandemic
situation.



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and CEO Dr. Gianrico Farrugia and Mayo Clinic Chief Administrative 
Officer Jeff Bolton emphasized that Mayo Clinic is well prepared to 
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For the latest updates from Mayo Clinic experts, I encourage you to 
visit Mayo Clinic News Network 
 
for a stream of articles updated in real time as circumstances and 
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Re: [MBZ] I guess they are worth more than $17k these days?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 21:07:40 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> wunnerful car if you have the M100 handshake.
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 8:00 PM:
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3/202940218373?hash=item2f402dfc05:g:sUcAAOSwZPVec9Vu
> >  
> >
> >
> > I remember one for sale in Tulsa in the mid to late 90's that was
> > like new that was for sale for around $8k or so.


It's riding too high, especially in the front.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The Brits in India were on to something with the gin & tonic. I shall be 
practicing prophylaxis tomorrow evening. This isolation is tough but I’m going 
to try. 

--FT
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 9:17 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If chloroquine does prove to be the magic bullet that controls the 
> coronavirus epidemic, it will be a remarkable coincidence since the organism 
> it has been killing for 70+ years; a protzoan; is completely unrelated to the 
> virus that causes coronavirus infection. That's based on current knowledge, 
> but there may be biochemical similarities that explain it. The protozoan is 
> easily seen via a clinical microscope such as below:
> 
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeSS9CXRe2RUAIgsPxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1pYmEtMQRncHJpZANSSW1nc1NLcVExeUFUckx0akZTWWtBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDMARxc3RybAM0NARxdWVyeQNtYWxhcmlhJTIwcHJvdG96b2ElMjBhcmUlMjB2aXNpYmxlJTIwbWljcm9zY29waWNhbGx5BHRfc3RtcAMxNTg0NjYzMjc0?p=malaria+protozoa+are+visible+microscopically=sb-top=iba=yhs-1=InsieWlkIjoiZ3lmZiIsImN0YWciOiI4NzgzIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6IjEuMC4wIn0i=r=gyff_8783_FFW_US
> 
> An Australian lab has discovered a unique cell that appears in the 
> bloodstream when a person is infected with the coronavirus, and disappears as 
> the patient improves. IMHO this could be a way of diagnosing the coronavirus 
> disease if no diagnostic kits are available. It could probably be done while 
> the patient waits if there are no special staining or incubating requirements.
> 
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=iba=r=yhs-1=gyff_8783_FFW_US=unique+cell+appears+in+bloodstream+of+coronavirus+patients=InsieWlkIjoiZ3lmZiIsImN0YWciOiI4NzgzIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6IjEuMC4wIn0i
> 
> Curley wrote:
> 
>> I heard that on the radio today.  THey said countries where Malaria is 
>> rampant, and Chloroquine is widely used, there is no or almost no wuhan 
>> virus.
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 11:51 AM:
>>> Chloroquine is being expedited as a treatment. It has worked in South 
>>> Korea, and France. There is another anti malaria drug, but I don't recall 
>>> the name. These can also be taken as a prophylaxis for those are highest 
>>> risk. Home run. Possibly a grand slam.
>>> 
>>> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1993 MERCEDES 300 SD LUXURY CLASS TURBO DIESEL

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A local mech has a 300SD maybe 3-4 yr ago sitting in his yard for awhile. I 
stopped by one day, the car was in excellent condition, gold color light 
interior, but he thought head was cracked. He wanted like $1200 for it. I knew 
there was an engine in a junkyard in a wrecked car probably with a good head, I 
offered $500, he wouldn’t budge. Don’t know what happened to it, wasn’t there 
much longer. It was kinda weird being smaller than an SDL. 

--FT
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> Don’t see these every day.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1993 MERCEDES 300 SD LUXURY CLASS TURBO DIESEL

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Just the glov3e dept door. That will pound out.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> > Don’t see these every day.
> >
> > Bob R
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1993 MERCEDES 300 SD LUXURY CLASS TURBO DIESEL

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Why is the dash bashed in?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don’t see these every day.
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I guess they are worth more than $17k these days?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

wunnerful car if you have the M100 handshake.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 8:00 PM:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3/202940218373?hash=item2f402dfc05:g:sUcAAOSwZPVec9Vu 



I remember one for sale in Tulsa in the mid to late 90's that was like 
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[MBZ] FW: 1993 MERCEDES 300 SD LUXURY CLASS TURBO DIESEL

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Don’t see these every day.

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] I guess they are worth more than $17k these days?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder if that is the factory color. It looks vaguely off, and also quite
unattractive.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 9:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3/202940218373?hash=item2f402dfc05:g:sUcAAOSwZPVec9Vu
>
> I remember one for sale in Tulsa in the mid to late 90's that was like
> new that was for sale for around $8k or so.
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Why you wasting bandwith on that ?    Izzat one of the brady bunch?  
never watched that on tv. Crappy then, crappy now.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 3:23 PM:

Did you run into Tom Brady shopping for his Maybach?




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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has anyone tried that compressed coir from coconut husk as a seed starting
medium? I tried it a few years back, and it was messy and not particularly
effective but other gardeners swear by it.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 8:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You know, all those gardeners who have to stay home now ...
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There’s a run on vermiculite?
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought the last two bags of vermiculite at the garden supply today,
> and
> > > saw no-alcohol fuel at $1.599 on the way home. I need to empty the 55
> > > gallon drum and go fill it with cheap fuel for the airplane (and
> anything
> > > else here).
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That was a sobering statement, even if proven wrong in some details.  I'm
going to be a lot more careful from now on.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> FWIW
>
> I presume this is accurate, from a coupla days ago, tracks with I am
> told by Dr. Boy,  YMMV:
>
> Public
>  From one of the doctors here at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Dr. Julie
> Silver and her friend Dr. Reem Ghalib. Please read the whole thing, it
> is an important summary about COVID19, flattening the curve and what
> will happen if we don’t take strict precautions now:
> Julie said —“It has been years since I have posted anything on this
> page. As a physician at Harvard Medical School, I have amazing access to
> the best information and resources for #Covid19
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/covid19?__cft__[0]=AZVmJtN48VKSOSd9Annc4RuQsL5qHRN_49fzxk2-Eo3WGMh3XfINI25bY9K3hAeHCxMCgiE6H2ZsKCNQP5lHwizcxJn7NtmrLOEE92wMWGxAiKQvIxxv1kI_NIdBFQ7jez2Kh68t9FG8dXNV6aS1Hx_F0TxhwKri9KUVxk8QLNbgrA&__tn__=*NK-y-R>.
>
> I know people are getting a lot of information, and not all of it is
> accurate. My friend Dr. Reem Ghalib summarized the situation in one of
> the best social media posts to date on this topic (copied/pasted below).
> Please read what she has to say and share with your loved ones, friends,
> and colleagues. Urge people to be calm and logical in their decision
> making. Err on the side of caution. Re the info below--note that
> "coronavirus" is used generically to mean the specific strain Covid 19.
> I will apologize in advance for not responding to comments as work is
> very hectic right now:
> Dear Friends,
> So much confusion, misinformation and denial is bouncing around on
> social media about the coronavirus that I thought I would try to
> explain, in plain language, why the experts see this as such an emergency.
> You will see the claim online that this virus is a lot like the viruses
> that cause colds, and that if you get it, it will probably just seem
> like a bad cold and you are very unlikely to die. Depending on who you
> are, these statements are probably true. But they are incomplete, and
> the missing information is the key to understanding the problem.
> This is a coronavirus that is new to the human population, jumping into
> people late last year from some kind of animal, probably at a wildlife
> market in Wuhan, China. It is related to the viruses that cause colds,
> and acts a lot like them in many ways. It is very easy to transmit
> through the respiratory droplets that all of us give off. But nobody has
> ever been exposed to this before, which means nobody has any immunity to
> it.
> The virus is now moving explosively through the human population. While
> most people will recover, about 20 percent of the people who catch it
> will wind up with a serious disease. They will get pneumonia that causes
> shortness of breath, and they may need hospitalization.
> Some of those people will get so sick that they cannot be saved and will
> die of the pneumonia. The overall death rate for people who develop
> symptoms seems to be 2 or 3 percent. Once we have enough testing to find
> out how many people caught the virus but did not develop symptoms, that
> might come down to about 1 percent, optimistically.
> This is a large number. It is at least 10 times higher than the
> mortality rate for the seasonal flu, for instance, which in some years
> kills 60,000 or 70,000 Americans. So just on that math, we could be
> looking at 600,000 or 700,000 dead in the United States. But it gets worse.
> Older people with existing health problems are much more vulnerable, on
> average. The mortality rate of coronavirus among people over age 80 may
> be 15 or 20 percent. It appears to have 7 or 8 percent mortality for
> people aged 70 to 79. Here is the terrible part: If you are a healthy
> younger person, you can catch the virus and, without developing serious
> symptoms yourself, you can pass it along to older people. In other
> words, as the virus spreads, it is going to be very easy to go out and
> catch it, give it to your grandmother and kill her, even though you will
> not die yourself. You can catch it by touching a door knob or an
> elevator button.
> Scientists measure the spread of an epidemic by a number called R0, or
> “R naught.” That number is calculated this way: for every person who
> develops the illness, how many other people do they give it to before
> they are cured (or dead) and no longer infectious? The R0 for
> coronavirus, in the absence of a control strategy, appears to be a
> number close to 3 – maybe a bit higher or lower, but in that ballpark.
> This is an extremely frightening number for such a deadly disease.
> Suppose you catch the virus. You will give it to 3 other people, and
> they will each give it to three others, and so forth. Here is how the
> math works, where you, the “index case,” are the first line:
> 1
> 3
> 9
> 27
> 81
> 243
> 729
> 

Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

If chloroquine does prove to be the magic bullet that controls the coronavirus 
epidemic, it will be a remarkable coincidence since the organism it has been 
killing for 70+ years; a protzoan; is completely unrelated to the virus that 
causes coronavirus infection. That's based on current knowledge, but there may 
be biochemical similarities that explain it. The protozoan is easily seen via a 
clinical microscope such as below:

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeSS9CXRe2RUAIgsPxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1pYmEtMQRncHJpZANSSW1nc1NLcVExeUFUckx0akZTWWtBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDMARxc3RybAM0NARxdWVyeQNtYWxhcmlhJTIwcHJvdG96b2ElMjBhcmUlMjB2aXNpYmxlJTIwbWljcm9zY29waWNhbGx5BHRfc3RtcAMxNTg0NjYzMjc0?p=malaria+protozoa+are+visible+microscopically=sb-top=iba=yhs-1=InsieWlkIjoiZ3lmZiIsImN0YWciOiI4NzgzIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6IjEuMC4wIn0i=r=gyff_8783_FFW_US

An Australian lab has discovered a unique cell that appears in the bloodstream 
when a person is infected with the coronavirus, and disappears as the patient 
improves. IMHO this could be a way of diagnosing the coronavirus disease if no 
diagnostic kits are available. It could probably be done while the patient 
waits if there are no special staining or incubating requirements.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=iba=r=yhs-1=gyff_8783_FFW_US=unique+cell+appears+in+bloodstream+of+coronavirus+patients=InsieWlkIjoiZ3lmZiIsImN0YWciOiI4NzgzIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6IjEuMC4wIn0i

Curley wrote:

> I heard that on the radio today.  THey said countries where Malaria is 
> rampant, and Chloroquine is widely used, there is no or almost no wuhan 
> virus.
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 11:51 AM:
> > Chloroquine is being expedited as a treatment. It has worked in South 
> > Korea, and France. There is another anti malaria drug, but I don't recall 
> > the name. These can also be taken as a prophylaxis for those are highest 
> > risk. Home run. Possibly a grand slam.
> >
> > Rick


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[MBZ] Rolling coal

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/32533/diesel-brothers-hit-with-85-fine-for-tampering-with-truck-emissions


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[MBZ] I guess they are worth more than $17k these days?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3/202940218373?hash=item2f402dfc05:g:sUcAAOSwZPVec9Vu

I remember one for sale in Tulsa in the mid to late 90's that was like 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What a bad ass car if you can get it sorted.

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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> 
> Top 5 money pit of all time?
> 
> Bob R
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Right after all the rollers, Italian supercars, bentknees, may baches...

Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 9:37 AM:

Top 5 money pit of all time?

Bob R


1996 Mercedes S600 V12
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I heard that on the radio today.  THey said countries where Malaria is 
rampant, and Chloroquine is widely used, there is no or almost no wuhan 
virus.

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 11:51 AM:

Chloroquine is being expedited as a treatment. It has worked in South Korea, 
and France. There is another anti malaria drug, but I don't recall the name. 
These can also be taken as a prophylaxis for those are highest risk. Home run. 
Possibly a grand slam.

Rick




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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You know, all those gardeners who have to stay home now ...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There’s a run on vermiculite?
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I bought the last two bags of vermiculite at the garden supply today, and
> > saw no-alcohol fuel at $1.599 on the way home. I need to empty the 55
> > gallon drum and go fill it with cheap fuel for the airplane (and anything
> > else here).
> >
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

It's good for storing bodies if no refrigerators are available.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Mar 19, 2020 7:59:18 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> There’s a run on vermiculite?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I bought the last two bags of vermiculite at the garden supply today, and
> > saw no-alcohol fuel at $1.599 on the way home. I need to empty the 55
> > gallon drum and go fill it with cheap fuel for the airplane (and anything
> > else here).
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s a run on vermiculite?

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:26 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I bought the last two bags of vermiculite at the garden supply today, and
> saw no-alcohol fuel at $1.599 on the way home. I need to empty the 55
> gallon drum and go fill it with cheap fuel for the airplane (and anything
> else here).
> 


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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Parts!  Transplant that lump into a 124!  Move over 500E!

--FT

On 3/19/20 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
There won't be a title. The guy who had the car is at least 6 
residents back.


RB

On 19/03/2020 3:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Note the car is parked next to a trailer house... something special 
about a

V12 Merc parked at a trailer with "engine problems" Could be up on
concrete blocks with the wheels off... I guess.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:34 AM Craig via Mercedes 


wrote:


On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:15:01 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


There is one sitting over near a Q joint in a guy's front yard, has
been there for at least 2-3 years.  Every time I go over there I think
I should ping the guy but the place does not look too hospitable.

Get the address and send him a letter?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

FWIW

I presume this is accurate, from a coupla days ago, tracks with I am 
told by Dr. Boy,  YMMV:


Public
From one of the doctors here at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Dr. Julie 
Silver and her friend Dr. Reem Ghalib. Please read the whole thing, it 
is an important summary about COVID19, flattening the curve and what 
will happen if we don’t take strict precautions now:
Julie said —“It has been years since I have posted anything on this 
page. As a physician at Harvard Medical School, I have amazing access to 
the best information and resources for #Covid19 
. 
I know people are getting a lot of information, and not all of it is 
accurate. My friend Dr. Reem Ghalib summarized the situation in one of 
the best social media posts to date on this topic (copied/pasted below). 
Please read what she has to say and share with your loved ones, friends, 
and colleagues. Urge people to be calm and logical in their decision 
making. Err on the side of caution. Re the info below--note that 
"coronavirus" is used generically to mean the specific strain Covid 19. 
I will apologize in advance for not responding to comments as work is 
very hectic right now:

Dear Friends,
So much confusion, misinformation and denial is bouncing around on 
social media about the coronavirus that I thought I would try to 
explain, in plain language, why the experts see this as such an emergency.
You will see the claim online that this virus is a lot like the viruses 
that cause colds, and that if you get it, it will probably just seem 
like a bad cold and you are very unlikely to die. Depending on who you 
are, these statements are probably true. But they are incomplete, and 
the missing information is the key to understanding the problem.
This is a coronavirus that is new to the human population, jumping into 
people late last year from some kind of animal, probably at a wildlife 
market in Wuhan, China. It is related to the viruses that cause colds, 
and acts a lot like them in many ways. It is very easy to transmit 
through the respiratory droplets that all of us give off. But nobody has 
ever been exposed to this before, which means nobody has any immunity to it.
The virus is now moving explosively through the human population. While 
most people will recover, about 20 percent of the people who catch it 
will wind up with a serious disease. They will get pneumonia that causes 
shortness of breath, and they may need hospitalization.
Some of those people will get so sick that they cannot be saved and will 
die of the pneumonia. The overall death rate for people who develop 
symptoms seems to be 2 or 3 percent. Once we have enough testing to find 
out how many people caught the virus but did not develop symptoms, that 
might come down to about 1 percent, optimistically.
This is a large number. It is at least 10 times higher than the 
mortality rate for the seasonal flu, for instance, which in some years 
kills 60,000 or 70,000 Americans. So just on that math, we could be 
looking at 600,000 or 700,000 dead in the United States. But it gets worse.
Older people with existing health problems are much more vulnerable, on 
average. The mortality rate of coronavirus among people over age 80 may 
be 15 or 20 percent. It appears to have 7 or 8 percent mortality for 
people aged 70 to 79. Here is the terrible part: If you are a healthy 
younger person, you can catch the virus and, without developing serious 
symptoms yourself, you can pass it along to older people. In other 
words, as the virus spreads, it is going to be very easy to go out and 
catch it, give it to your grandmother and kill her, even though you will 
not die yourself. You can catch it by touching a door knob or an 
elevator button.
Scientists measure the spread of an epidemic by a number called R0, or 
“R naught.” That number is calculated this way: for every person who 
develops the illness, how many other people do they give it to before 
they are cured (or dead) and no longer infectious? The R0 for 
coronavirus, in the absence of a control strategy, appears to be a 
number close to 3 – maybe a bit higher or lower, but in that ballpark. 
This is an extremely frightening number for such a deadly disease.
Suppose you catch the virus. You will give it to 3 other people, and 
they will each give it to three others, and so forth. Here is how the 
math works, where you, the “index case,” are the first line:

1
3
9
27
81
243
729
2,187
6,561
19,683
59,046
177,147
531,441
1,594,323
4,782,969
14,348,907
So, in just 15 steps of transmission, the virus has gone from just one 
index case to 14.3 million other people. Those 15 steps might take only 
a few weeks. The index person may be young and healthy, but many of 
those 14 million people will 

Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I bought the last two bags of vermiculite at the garden supply today, and
saw no-alcohol fuel at $1.599 on the way home. I need to empty the 55
gallon drum and go fill it with cheap fuel for the airplane (and anything
else here).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:00 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No, but he will insist that his personal football deflator is on the
> payroll.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:37 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Raymond James Stadium *is* right across the street from the
> > stealership…and One Buc Place (Bucs HQ) is just a block away.
> >
> > I was thinking they would have one of those giant 6 story tall graphics
> on
> > the back of the scoreboard shortly, once it’s announced.
> >
> > But - will he attempt to steal lobstahs from Publix like his soon to be
> > predecessor?
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am
> > >
> > > Did you run into Tom Brady shopping for his Maybach?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > > I went to our local farmer’s market at 4:30 this morning. Understand
> > that this is a commercial marketplace, so the customers are mostly
> > restaurants and places that use large volumes of produce and other
> goodies.
> > They allow retail customers in after 4:30 am when the restauranteurs are
> > all pretty well done for the day.
> > >
> > > Plenty of everything. Really. Tons of produce, meat, staples, etc. I
> did
> > not look for TP as we have an adequate supply. I bought a couple of beef
> > tenderloins (filet) (~$30/each) and a pork tenderloin (~$17) and called
> it
> > a day. I meant to get some spuds but forgot. Dang it.
> > >
> > > Good eating for the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am to pick up some parts I had
> > ordered last week. Not a soul in the service area. They have blocked off
> > the new car lot so you can’t drive through or park in it, so I had to
> park
> > in the service lane on the far side. There were a handful of cars in the
> > shop and a few people sitting in one of the “lounges” they offer for
> > waiting.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No, but he will insist that his personal football deflator is on the
payroll.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:37 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Raymond James Stadium *is* right across the street from the
> stealership…and One Buc Place (Bucs HQ) is just a block away.
>
> I was thinking they would have one of those giant 6 story tall graphics on
> the back of the scoreboard shortly, once it’s announced.
>
> But - will he attempt to steal lobstahs from Publix like his soon to be
> predecessor?
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am
> >
> > Did you run into Tom Brady shopping for his Maybach?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I went to our local farmer’s market at 4:30 this morning. Understand
> that this is a commercial marketplace, so the customers are mostly
> restaurants and places that use large volumes of produce and other goodies.
> They allow retail customers in after 4:30 am when the restauranteurs are
> all pretty well done for the day.
> >
> > Plenty of everything. Really. Tons of produce, meat, staples, etc. I did
> not look for TP as we have an adequate supply. I bought a couple of beef
> tenderloins (filet) (~$30/each) and a pork tenderloin (~$17) and called it
> a day. I meant to get some spuds but forgot. Dang it.
> >
> > Good eating for the next few weeks.
> >
> > Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am to pick up some parts I had
> ordered last week. Not a soul in the service area. They have blocked off
> the new car lot so you can’t drive through or park in it, so I had to park
> in the service lane on the far side. There were a handful of cars in the
> shop and a few people sitting in one of the “lounges” they offer for
> waiting.
> >
> > -D
> >
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[MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

First the good new: Cure?

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/old-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-may-help-cure-coronavirus-study/

Next the contrarian.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/

"A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal
influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with
potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally
irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated
and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff
and dies."
-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 $2,630 manifold issue?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

IIRC a friend of mine found them online.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:09 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Dwight inquires:
>
> >Didn't this year 350 have balance shaft issues?
>
> Depends on the production number.
> There's a website to look it up, or I would think a dealer can run the VIN
> and see.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Raymond James Stadium *is* right across the street from the stealership…and One 
Buc Place (Bucs HQ) is just a block away.

I was thinking they would have one of those giant 6 story tall graphics on the 
back of the scoreboard shortly, once it’s announced.

But - will he attempt to steal lobstahs from Publix like his soon to be 
predecessor?

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am
> 
> Did you run into Tom Brady shopping for his Maybach?
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I went to our local farmer’s market at 4:30 this morning. Understand that 
> this is a commercial marketplace, so the customers are mostly restaurants and 
> places that use large volumes of produce and other goodies. They allow retail 
> customers in after 4:30 am when the restauranteurs are all pretty well done 
> for the day.
> 
> Plenty of everything. Really. Tons of produce, meat, staples, etc. I did not 
> look for TP as we have an adequate supply. I bought a couple of beef 
> tenderloins (filet) (~$30/each) and a pork tenderloin (~$17) and called it a 
> day. I meant to get some spuds but forgot. Dang it.
> 
> Good eating for the next few weeks.
> 
> Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am to pick up some parts I had ordered 
> last week. Not a soul in the service area. They have blocked off the new car 
> lot so you can’t drive through or park in it, so I had to park in the service 
> lane on the far side. There were a handful of cars in the shop and a few 
> people sitting in one of the “lounges” they offer for waiting.
> 
> -D
> 

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

There won't be a title. The guy who had the car is at least 6 residents 
back.


RB

On 19/03/2020 3:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Note the car is parked next to a trailer house... something special about a
V12 Merc parked at a trailer with "engine problems" Could be up on
concrete blocks with the wheels off... I guess.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:34 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:15:01 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


There is one sitting over near a Q joint in a guy's front yard, has
been there for at least 2-3 years.  Every time I go over there I think
I should ping the guy but the place does not look too hospitable.

Get the address and send him a letter?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am*

Did you run into Tom Brady shopping for his Maybach?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I went to our local farmer’s market at 4:30 this morning. Understand that
> this is a commercial marketplace, so the customers are mostly restaurants
> and places that use large volumes of produce and other goodies. They allow
> retail customers in after 4:30 am when the restauranteurs are all pretty
> well done for the day.
>
> Plenty of everything. Really. Tons of produce, meat, staples, etc. I did
> not look for TP as we have an adequate supply. I bought a couple of beef
> tenderloins (filet) (~$30/each) and a pork tenderloin (~$17) and called it
> a day. I meant to get some spuds but forgot. Dang it.
>
> Good eating for the next few weeks.
>
> Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am to pick up some parts I had
> ordered last week. Not a soul in the service area. They have blocked off
> the new car lot so you can’t drive through or park in it, so I had to park
> in the service lane on the far side. There were a handful of cars in the
> shop and a few people sitting in one of the “lounges” they offer for
> waiting.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh that reminds me, my favorite coffee emporium is doing outside service
> only. It was actually kind of fun to stand on the sidewalk and wait.
> They're no contact, pay by card only.
> > Our grocery stores also have senior hours, I think its like 6a-8a or
> something like that. Probably the most sensible precaution going on
> considering the elevated risk for the elderly.
> > -Curt
> >
> >On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 2:33:53 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > The local Costco has put 8A-9A as 60+ shopping but by state law the
> > likka sto can't open until 10A.  Gotta get Gubnah Foghorn on that, issue
> > an emergency order...
> >
> > -_FT
> >
> > On 3/19/20 2:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Angie and I went up to Keene today for some supplies. I figured the
> Co-op would have stuff.Think of the Co-op as similar to Whole Foods, spendy
> but quality stuff.
> >> They had an adequate supply of paper products and I didn't see any
> buying limitations imposed, I didn't see anybody buying any either.
> >> Plenty of meat, chicken, fish. We bought ground beef and pork. It was
> expensive but grain fed beef usually is. We bought 2 whole chickens which
> were expensive vs the grocery store but we the cheapest way to get chicken
> there.
> >> Surprisingly they were nearly out of yogurt but almost all the brands
> had been on sale. Theres a Bulgarian type Angie really likes that I managed
> to score a small bottle of. She's been on an antibiotic for a week or so
> and the yogurt helps. We've got some starter so worst case we could make
> our own.
> >> They haven't replaced the can of whipped cream we bought last week,
> though there were 2 cans of "rice cream" sitting unwanted... ;)
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Note the car is parked next to a trailer house... something special about a
V12 Merc parked at a trailer with "engine problems" Could be up on
concrete blocks with the wheels off... I guess.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:34 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:15:01 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > There is one sitting over near a Q joint in a guy's front yard, has
> > been there for at least 2-3 years.  Every time I go over there I think
> > I should ping the guy but the place does not look too hospitable.
>
> Get the address and send him a letter?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covid Charlie Foxtrot

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Typical, let the feds run it and it takes too long, is too expensive, and
in the end doesn't even work right.

Maybe one good outcome of this 'crisis' is a dramatic change in law and
regulation to unshackle private enterprises for producing such tests.  If I
were Prez, I'd try to ram that through Congress right now, before they
start the next round of impeachment hearings.  Could probably save a bit of
money in the federal budget by eliminating whichever office is responsible
for this screw-up.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:31 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Two independent opinions -- one a friend, a professor of immunology at
> the local kawlidge, and the Dr. Boy, both say this whole thing is a
> total Charlie Foxtrot re: testing and such.
>
> "The FDA/CDC test is 5 genes by RT-PCR.
>
> Not sure why on earth this method is the go too. could not borrow
> our RT-PCR machines because the FDA has only approved the brand ABI.
> Total clusterf***.
> I had thought about ordering PCR primers posted on the WHO website weeks
> ago.
>
> My lab class was looking up the genomes of this virus that were being
> posted weeks ago.  Crazy thing is us “amateur” molecular biologists
> could do this testing."
>
> Stanford developed their own tests a coupla weeks ago, better than what
> is "out there."
>
> This all goes down to a lot of long-time bureaucratic nonsense standing
> in the way... comforting... meanwhile everyone is pointing fingers at
> the others and the guy in charge, playing the blame game, filling 7x24
> cable time...
>
> --
> --FT
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 $2,630 manifold issue?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dwight inquires:

>Didn't this year 350 have balance shaft issues?

Depends on the production number. 
There's a website to look it up, or I would think a dealer can run the VIN and 
see. 

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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I went to our local farmer’s market at 4:30 this morning. Understand that this 
is a commercial marketplace, so the customers are mostly restaurants and places 
that use large volumes of produce and other goodies. They allow retail 
customers in after 4:30 am when the restauranteurs are all pretty well done for 
the day.

Plenty of everything. Really. Tons of produce, meat, staples, etc. I did not 
look for TP as we have an adequate supply. I bought a couple of beef 
tenderloins (filet) (~$30/each) and a pork tenderloin (~$17) and called it a 
day. I meant to get some spuds but forgot. Dang it.

Good eating for the next few weeks.

Swung by the MB dealership around 7:00 am to pick up some parts I had ordered 
last week. Not a soul in the service area. They have blocked off the new car 
lot so you can’t drive through or park in it, so I had to park in the service 
lane on the far side. There were a handful of cars in the shop and a few people 
sitting in one of the “lounges” they offer for waiting.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh that reminds me, my favorite coffee emporium is doing outside service 
> only. It was actually kind of fun to stand on the sidewalk and wait. They're 
> no contact, pay by card only.
> Our grocery stores also have senior hours, I think its like 6a-8a or 
> something like that. Probably the most sensible precaution going on 
> considering the elevated risk for the elderly.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 2:33:53 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> The local Costco has put 8A-9A as 60+ shopping but by state law the 
> likka sto can't open until 10A.  Gotta get Gubnah Foghorn on that, issue 
> an emergency order...
> 
> -_FT
> 
> On 3/19/20 2:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Angie and I went up to Keene today for some supplies. I figured the Co-op 
>> would have stuff.Think of the Co-op as similar to Whole Foods, spendy but 
>> quality stuff.
>> They had an adequate supply of paper products and I didn't see any buying 
>> limitations imposed, I didn't see anybody buying any either.
>> Plenty of meat, chicken, fish. We bought ground beef and pork. It was 
>> expensive but grain fed beef usually is. We bought 2 whole chickens which 
>> were expensive vs the grocery store but we the cheapest way to get chicken 
>> there.
>> Surprisingly they were nearly out of yogurt but almost all the brands had 
>> been on sale. Theres a Bulgarian type Angie really likes that I managed to 
>> score a small bottle of. She's been on an antibiotic for a week or so and 
>> the yogurt helps. We've got some starter so worst case we could make our own.
>> They haven't replaced the can of whipped cream we bought last week, though 
>> there were 2 cans of "rice cream" sitting unwanted... ;)
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oh that reminds me, my favorite coffee emporium is doing outside service only. 
It was actually kind of fun to stand on the sidewalk and wait. They're no 
contact, pay by card only.
Our grocery stores also have senior hours, I think its like 6a-8a or something 
like that. Probably the most sensible precaution going on considering the 
elevated risk for the elderly.
-Curt

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 2:33:53 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The local Costco has put 8A-9A as 60+ shopping but by state law the 
likka sto can't open until 10A.  Gotta get Gubnah Foghorn on that, issue 
an emergency order...

-_FT

On 3/19/20 2:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Angie and I went up to Keene today for some supplies. I figured the Co-op 
> would have stuff.Think of the Co-op as similar to Whole Foods, spendy but 
> quality stuff.
> They had an adequate supply of paper products and I didn't see any buying 
> limitations imposed, I didn't see anybody buying any either.
> Plenty of meat, chicken, fish. We bought ground beef and pork. It was 
> expensive but grain fed beef usually is. We bought 2 whole chickens which 
> were expensive vs the grocery store but we the cheapest way to get chicken 
> there.
> Surprisingly they were nearly out of yogurt but almost all the brands had 
> been on sale. Theres a Bulgarian type Angie really likes that I managed to 
> score a small bottle of. She's been on an antibiotic for a week or so and the 
> yogurt helps. We've got some starter so worst case we could make our own.
> They haven't replaced the can of whipped cream we bought last week, though 
> there were 2 cans of "rice cream" sitting unwanted... ;)
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Supply run

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The local Costco has put 8A-9A as 60+ shopping but by state law the 
likka sto can't open until 10A.  Gotta get Gubnah Foghorn on that, issue 
an emergency order...


-_FT

On 3/19/20 2:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Angie and I went up to Keene today for some supplies. I figured the Co-op would 
have stuff.Think of the Co-op as similar to Whole Foods, spendy but quality 
stuff.
They had an adequate supply of paper products and I didn't see any buying 
limitations imposed, I didn't see anybody buying any either.
Plenty of meat, chicken, fish. We bought ground beef and pork. It was expensive 
but grain fed beef usually is. We bought 2 whole chickens which were expensive 
vs the grocery store but we the cheapest way to get chicken there.
Surprisingly they were nearly out of yogurt but almost all the brands had been 
on sale. Theres a Bulgarian type Angie really likes that I managed to score a 
small bottle of. She's been on an antibiotic for a week or so and the yogurt 
helps. We've got some starter so worst case we could make our own.
They haven't replaced the can of whipped cream we bought last week, though there were 2 
cans of "rice cream" sitting unwanted... ;)
-Curt
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[MBZ] OT Covid Charlie Foxtrot

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Two independent opinions -- one a friend, a professor of immunology at 
the local kawlidge, and the Dr. Boy, both say this whole thing is a 
total Charlie Foxtrot re: testing and such.


"The FDA/CDC test is 5 genes by RT-PCR.

Not sure why on earth this method is the go too. could not borrow 
our RT-PCR machines because the FDA has only approved the brand ABI.  
Total clusterf***.
I had thought about ordering PCR primers posted on the WHO website weeks 
ago.


My lab class was looking up the genomes of this virus that were being 
posted weeks ago.  Crazy thing is us “amateur” molecular biologists 
could do this testing."


Stanford developed their own tests a coupla weeks ago, better than what 
is "out there."


This all goes down to a lot of long-time bureaucratic nonsense standing 
in the way... comforting... meanwhile everyone is pointing fingers at 
the others and the guy in charge, playing the blame game, filling 7x24 
cable time...


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[MBZ] COVID Mortality rates

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w
Interesting article on the mortality rates for COVID in the US.
>85 years old - 10-27% which is quite a spread64-85 - 3-11%55-64 - 1-3%20-54 - 
><1%19 and younger - 0% no deaths.
Unfortunately there is no data on underlying heath issues which I would expect 
to drive down mortality rates among the otherwise healthy population.
Based on this information I'm back to thinking that this is much ado about 
nothing. For this I am glad, I had let myself freak out a little yesterday...
-Curt
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[MBZ] Supply run

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Angie and I went up to Keene today for some supplies. I figured the Co-op would 
have stuff.Think of the Co-op as similar to Whole Foods, spendy but quality 
stuff.
They had an adequate supply of paper products and I didn't see any buying 
limitations imposed, I didn't see anybody buying any either.
Plenty of meat, chicken, fish. We bought ground beef and pork. It was expensive 
but grain fed beef usually is. We bought 2 whole chickens which were expensive 
vs the grocery store but we the cheapest way to get chicken there.
Surprisingly they were nearly out of yogurt but almost all the brands had been 
on sale. Theres a Bulgarian type Angie really likes that I managed to score a 
small bottle of. She's been on an antibiotic for a week or so and the yogurt 
helps. We've got some starter so worst case we could make our own.
They haven't replaced the can of whipped cream we bought last week, though 
there were 2 cans of "rice cream" sitting unwanted... ;)
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] FW - Classic Center still in business online

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 This is the biggest tragedy around. The Classic Center in Irvine is such a 
cool place to go see. I can't remember where I uploaded the pictures I took 
there but I've got a whole bunch.
IIRC they've got 3x pre-war rear engine cars, the most of any museum outside 
Germany...
-Curt

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 1:45:51 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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With the novel coronavirus (COVID‑19) now declared a global pandemic and in
the interest of everyone’s safety and our continued ability to serve our
customers, we are following the CDC’s Interim Guidance for Businesses and
Employers and try to minimize exposure between our employees and the public
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*For Classic Parts customers:*

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We recognize that these are uncertain times, however, we can assure you
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The boy told me his hospital folks developed their own testing stuff a 
week or two ago and it was better


--FT

On 3/19/20 2:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Oh man, last night I read up on the poop show that was the CDC on testing. When this is 
all done theres gonna be people at the CDC that will have some 'splaining to do.10 days 
they sat on failed test kits "We'll work it out." finally private labs worked 
it out once it was clear the CDC never would.
-Curt

 On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:29:31 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South Korea did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could have prevented the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could have actually tracked exposure.


WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.



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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If the entire world is sitting at 170,000 cases right now I find it 
extraordinarily unlikely that the US alone will have 10x that number in 4 
weeks. Especially with China already over the hump and having seen zero new 
cases yesterday.
Yes I assume the Chinese are either lying about no new cases or they've stopped 
testing new people but I do expect that they're over the hump and cases are 
declining...
-Curt

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 10:56:17 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 More to the point, how many people will need hospitalization to survive, and 
for how long.  Doctors in Italy are being forced to decide who gets life saving 
care already, and the case load is still climbing.

At the current rate of increase in caseload in the US we will hit 1.5 million 
infections in about four weeks.  3.5% of that is 51,000 deaths and 200,000 or 
so people in the hospital for more than a week, possibly as many as 700,000.  
We don't have that many hospital beds.

Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've basically stopped listening to any "I heard" because its probably all 
rubbish.Mild symptoms don't result in lung damage, that doesn't pass the sniff 
test. If there was lung damage, especially if it was permanent, the symptoms 
wouldn't be mild.
-Curt

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 2:41:35 AM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The key question is 4-5% of what?  The total population?  The number of 
estimated cases? The number that tested positive?  The number sick enough to be 
hospitalized?

I also heard that some young/healthy folks infected but with minimal symptoms 
suffered (permanent?  long term?)lung damage.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Peter Frederick via Mercedes
...
> Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well


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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

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Smoking is quite prevalent in China also.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> Italy has an older population than the US and much older than South
> Korea, and apparently they stay skinny by smoking, there is your
> explanation for a higher death rate there.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oh man, last night I read up on the poop show that was the CDC on testing. 
When this is all done theres gonna be people at the CDC that will have some 
'splaining to do.10 days they sat on failed test kits "We'll work it out." 
finally private labs worked it out once it was clear the CDC never would.
-Curt

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:29:31 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South Korea 
did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could have prevented 
the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could have actually 
tracked exposure.

WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.



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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its also kind of a Faustian bargain too. If we "protect" ourselves this way 
but destroy our economy whats the point? You'll be alive but have no money for 
food or housing...
-Curt

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, 11:19:19 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 right.   and the theory is that by having people try to be hermits, we 
can lower the peak numbers and spread the hopital load out over a longer 
time.   Sounds good on paper.   We are old enough to remember when we 
DID have a lot more hospital beds.   Hospitals were closed and torn down 
or converted to other use "Because we don't need so many beds" in the 
80s and 90s. Many towns lost their only hospital.    Like everything 
else, need for hospital beds is cyclical.   The regular flu is 
cyclical.  the death numbers go up over 100% and the next year may be 
only 50% of the peak year.

But lying with statistics is still lying.   We need to cut funding to UN 
and its offspring WHO.   The USA can stand on out own.

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/18/20 9:55 PM:
> More to the point, how many people will need hospitalization to survive, and 
> for how long.  Doctors in Italy are being forced to decide who gets life 
> saving care already, and the case load is still climbing.
>
> At the current rate of increase in caseload in the US we will hit 1.5 million 
> infections in about four weeks.  3.5% of that is 51,000 deaths and 200,000 or 
> so people in the hospital for more than a week, possibly as many as 700,000.  
> We don't have that many hospital beds.
>
> Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well
>


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[MBZ] //END THREAD// Re: Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK, everyone. This thread has officially gone off the rails. No more.

ListMom

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh please.  I never heard Trump complain about the lack of attention to a
> possible pandemic in January.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:38 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Right and in January Congress was too busy impeaching the president rather
>> than legislating. I can’t image that helped the situation.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that the law / regulations set in place by Congress prevented us
>>> from using any test developed by private industry or outside the US, back
>>> in January.  Hindsight is 20-20.
>>> 
>>> Remember that in mid-January, WHO was parroting the CHICOM lie that this
>>> virus was not able to be transmitted from human to human.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South
 Korea did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could
>> have
 prevented the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could
>> have
 actually tracked exposure.
 
 WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.
 
 
 
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[MBZ] Vintage Mini at a Maxi price

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I should never have sold my '76 Chevette.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-morris-mini-cooper-s-1275/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-19
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[MBZ] FW - Classic Center still in business online

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Dear Classic Center Customer and Visitor,
With the novel coronavirus (COVID‑19) now declared a global pandemic and in
the interest of everyone’s safety and our continued ability to serve our
customers, we are following the CDC’s Interim Guidance for Businesses and
Employers and try to minimize exposure between our employees and the public
by *closing our showroom to walk‑in customers and visitors until further
notice*. We will continue to monitor the situation and will align our
operations per the CDC’s guidance.

*For Classic Parts customers:*

Please consider placing your parts inquiry or order to us via phone or
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For general inquiries and service appointments, please call 1‑866‑622‑5277
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We recognize that these are uncertain times, however, we can assure you
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We appreciate our classic Mercedes‑Benz customers greatly and wish you
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Oh please.  I never heard Trump complain about the lack of attention to a
possible pandemic in January.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:38 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Right and in January Congress was too busy impeaching the president rather
> than legislating. I can’t image that helped the situation.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think that the law / regulations set in place by Congress prevented us
> > from using any test developed by private industry or outside the US, back
> > in January.  Hindsight is 20-20.
> >
> > Remember that in mid-January, WHO was parroting the CHICOM lie that this
> > virus was not able to be transmitted from human to human.
> >
> >
> https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South
> >> Korea did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could
> have
> >> prevented the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could
> have
> >> actually tracked exposure.
> >>
> >> WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Right and in January Congress was too busy impeaching the president rather than 
legislating. I can’t image that helped the situation.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think that the law / regulations set in place by Congress prevented us
> from using any test developed by private industry or outside the US, back
> in January.  Hindsight is 20-20.
> 
> Remember that in mid-January, WHO was parroting the CHICOM lie that this
> virus was not able to be transmitted from human to human.
> 
> https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South
>> Korea did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could have
>> prevented the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could have
>> actually tracked exposure.
>> 
>> WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 $2,630 manifold issue?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just don't get it - cars of this vintage all seem to have  non
contrasting exterior/interior colors.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Didn't this year 350 have balance shaft issues?
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:33 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Could be a bargain ride, easy fix?  Probably buggered up some vacuum or
> > electrical bits or something.  Looks nice aside from the scrape  H...
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2640116802876150
> >
> > 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
> >
> > $2,630
> >
> >
> >   Seller's description…
> >
> > The car ran great up until I had someone change the manifold for me, I
> > bought a brand new manifold to put in it . I think he didn’t install it
> > right so therefore it’s not running like it is supposed it is a real
> > easy fix I just don’t have the time or money
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Chloroquine is being expedited as a treatment. It has worked in South Korea, 
and France. There is another anti malaria drug, but I don't recall the name. 
These can also be taken as a prophylaxis for those are highest risk. Home run. 
Possibly a grand slam. 

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Re: [MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It takes a good solid day (8 hours) to remove and install the hydraulics. That 
is, a total of two days. It’s not difficult work, but it’s time consuming and 
involves removing a lot of trim panels and such.

The guy in Oregon, Klaus of Top Hydraulics, will rebuild the full set of 
cylinders and locks for about $800 last time I checked. He often turns them 
around the same day or next, so it’s not unrealistic to pull them off, ship 
them to him via USPS Priority mail, and get them back in the car within a week. 
I’ve done it.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had a convertible top repair shop guy tell me that if he had  one R129 a
> month  to do he could pay his bills. He said he had done a lot of them
> Dan you know about the cylinders in these tops.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier
>> models prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some
>> point.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904
>> 
>> 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D
>> 
>> $5,950
>> 
>> 
>>  Seller's description…
>> 
>> 2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned
>> by one family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot
>> heat has Amg wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic
>> leak in front post of top however the top still works manually other
>> than that the car still works perfectly serious inquires only please
>> asking $5959
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I had a convertible top repair shop guy tell me that if he had  one R129 a
month  to do he could pay his bills. He said he had done a lot of them
Dan you know about the cylinders in these tops.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier
> models prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some
> point.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904
>
> 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D
>
> $5,950
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> 2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned
> by one family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot
> heat has Amg wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic
> leak in front post of top however the top still works manually other
> than that the car still works perfectly serious inquires only please
> asking $5959
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not only that, they’ve replaced the soft top just a couple years ago, which is 
a major expense and not an easy DIY job. I’ve done it on other cars, but I 
don’t think I would do it on an R129.

That’s a heck of a deal for the car.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah it is an R129, haha I didn't look closely,  a drive-by look!!! stupid 
> me.  Yeah that would be a really good deal for the last 129.
> 
> That job is on my list for the SL600...  Have not yet gone topless on it...
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 3/19/20 12:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Very nice and a heck of a deal for someone who wants an R129. One of the 
>> final years and has the “Sport” package, which is fairly rare.
>> 
>> No issues to speak of with these. From the description it has a hydraulic 
>> leak on the left top lock, a real easy one to change and not expensive to 
>> have rebuilt, however, if the top lock is leaking and the rest of the system 
>> is original it’s going to need a full hydraulic system rebuild. Not a big 
>> deal, lots of labor. About $800 for a complete set of rebuilt cylinders and 
>> locks.
>> 
>> They probably got this news and it’s influenced their ask. If you paid 
>> someone to do the work it’s a good $3k or more, but well within a competent 
>> DIYer’s ability.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier models 
>>> prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some point.
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904
>>> 
>>> 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D
>>> 
>>> $5,950
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seller's description…
>>> 
>>> 2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned by 
>>> one family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot heat 
>>> has Amg wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic leak in 
>>> front post of top however the top still works manually other than that the 
>>> car still works perfectly serious inquires only please asking $5959
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Oh yeah it is an R129, haha I didn't look closely,  a drive-by look!!! 
stupid me.  Yeah that would be a really good deal for the last 129.


That job is on my list for the SL600...  Have not yet gone topless on it...

--FT

On 3/19/20 12:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Very nice and a heck of a deal for someone who wants an R129. One of the final 
years and has the “Sport” package, which is fairly rare.

No issues to speak of with these. From the description it has a hydraulic leak 
on the left top lock, a real easy one to change and not expensive to have 
rebuilt, however, if the top lock is leaking and the rest of the system is 
original it’s going to need a full hydraulic system rebuild. Not a big deal, 
lots of labor. About $800 for a complete set of rebuilt cylinders and locks.

They probably got this news and it’s influenced their ask. If you paid someone 
to do the work it’s a good $3k or more, but well within a competent DIYer’s 
ability.

-D


On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier models 
prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some point.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904

2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

$5,950


Seller's description…

2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned by one 
family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot heat has Amg 
wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic leak in front post of 
top however the top still works manually other than that the car still works 
perfectly serious inquires only please asking $5959

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 $2,630 manifold issue?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Didn't this year 350 have balance shaft issues?
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:33 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Could be a bargain ride, easy fix?  Probably buggered up some vacuum or
> electrical bits or something.  Looks nice aside from the scrape  H...
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2640116802876150
>
> 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
>
> $2,630
>
>
>   Seller's description…
>
> The car ran great up until I had someone change the manifold for me, I
> bought a brand new manifold to put in it . I think he didn’t install it
> right so therefore it’s not running like it is supposed it is a real
> easy fix I just don’t have the time or money
>
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:15:01 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> There is one sitting over near a Q joint in a guy's front yard, has
> been there for at least 2-3 years.  Every time I go over there I think
> I should ping the guy but the place does not look too hospitable.

Get the address and send him a letter?


Craig

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[MBZ] 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 $2,630 manifold issue?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Could be a bargain ride, easy fix?  Probably buggered up some vacuum or 
electrical bits or something.  Looks nice aside from the scrape  H...


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2640116802876150

2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D

$2,630


 Seller's description…

The car ran great up until I had someone change the manifold for me, I 
bought a brand new manifold to put in it . I think he didn’t install it 
right so therefore it’s not running like it is supposed it is a real 
easy fix I just don’t have the time or money


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Re: [MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Very nice and a heck of a deal for someone who wants an R129. One of the final 
years and has the “Sport” package, which is fairly rare.

No issues to speak of with these. From the description it has a hydraulic leak 
on the left top lock, a real easy one to change and not expensive to have 
rebuilt, however, if the top lock is leaking and the rest of the system is 
original it’s going to need a full hydraulic system rebuild. Not a big deal, 
lots of labor. About $800 for a complete set of rebuilt cylinders and locks.

They probably got this news and it’s influenced their ask. If you paid someone 
to do the work it’s a good $3k or more, but well within a competent DIYer’s 
ability.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier models 
> prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some point.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904
> 
> 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D
> 
> $5,950
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> 2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned by 
> one family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot heat 
> has Amg wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic leak in 
> front post of top however the top still works manually other than that the 
> car still works perfectly serious inquires only please asking $5959
> 
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[MBZ] 2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This looks nice, AMG wheels, not a bad price, but were these earlier 
models prone to issues?  Needs a new top cylinder, probably all at some 
point.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/912633219177904

2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 500 Roadster 2D

$5,950


 Seller's description…

2001 Mercedes Benz sl500 sport runs and drives great adult driven owned 
by one family since new it has new tires and breaks ice cold a.c and hot 
heat has Amg wheels convertible top replaced 2 years ago has hydraulic 
leak in front post of top however the top still works manually other 
than that the car still works perfectly serious inquires only please 
asking $5959


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 77 280E $3,900

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks nice, black is an unusual color for that time period.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2643125549301573
> 
> 1977 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
> $3,900
> Vehicles 
> Listed 4 days ago in Goose Creek, SC 
> 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 160,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Tan
> Good condition 
> 
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> VERY CLEAN 1977 MERCEDES BENZ 280E 160,000 miles New Exhaust New Fuel Pump 
> New Tires New Tint on all four doors and rear windshield Paint is original 
> and in excellent condition 3rd Owner Drives Good and is Mechanically Sound 
> Looking for $3,900 OBO, MAY be willing to trade
> 
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[MBZ] Nice 77 280E $3,900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2643125549301573

1977 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
$3,900
Vehicles 
Listed 4 days ago in Goose Creek, SC 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 160,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Tan
Good condition 


 Seller's description…

VERY CLEAN 1977 MERCEDES BENZ 280E 160,000 miles New Exhaust New Fuel 
Pump New Tires New Tint on all four doors and rear windshield Paint is 
original and in excellent condition 3rd Owner Drives Good and is 
Mechanically Sound Looking for $3,900 OBO, MAY be willing to trade


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[MBZ] 2015 Mercedes Benz ML350 RWD - $20999

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is strange, didn't know you could get only RWD

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-2015-mercedes-benz-ml350/7095480615.html

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'd buy that for $500.  Worth it for all the parts, might not even be a 
huge issue, most likely wiring or throttle actuators or some electrical 
stuff.  The engines are solid and once the other stuff is sorted they 
are not too bad, but still somewhat "exotic."


There is one sitting over near a Q joint in a guy's front yard, has been 
there for at least 2-3 years.  Every time I go over there I think I 
should ping the guy but the place does not look too hospitable.


--FT

On 3/19/20 10:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not necessarily. Just think of it as an M119 x2, so double your cost of 
maintenance.

I wonder what the “engins” work is? Looks like the console is disassembled as 
well.

Avoid. No one wants someone else’s basket case.

-D



On Mar 19, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Top 5 money pit of all time?

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not necessarily. Just think of it as an M119 x2, so double your cost of 
maintenance.

I wonder what the “engins” work is? Looks like the console is disassembled as 
well.

Avoid. No one wants someone else’s basket case.

-D


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> Top 5 money pit of all time?
> 
> Bob R
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

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Well, as we all know, the most expensive car in the world is a cheap
Mercedes.  ;-)
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Re: [MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:38 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Top 5 money pit of all time?
>
> Bob R
>
>
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[MBZ] FW: 1996 Mercedes S600 V12

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Top 5 money pit of all time?

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The WHO test was never offered to us.

"No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing
COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret
Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States
does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests
because of sufficient domestic capacity."

Allan

Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:

> Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South Korea 
> did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could have prevented 
> the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could have actually 
> tracked exposure.
>
> WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Forgot to add that in China, ~82,000 cases, ~3300 deaths.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:32 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Then and now:
>
> H1N1: From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, a study estimated that
> approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304
> hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306)
> occurred in the United States due to pH1N1.
>
> COVID-19 As of today:  ~9400 cases, ~150 deaths.
>
> Plain Old Flu as killed ~20,000 Americans this season, estimated to top
> out around 30,000.
>
> Draw your own conclusions.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Then and now:

H1N1: From 12 April 2009 to 10 April 2010, a study estimated that
approximately 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304
hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306)
occurred in the United States due to pH1N1.

COVID-19 As of today:  ~9400 cases, ~150 deaths.

Plain Old Flu as killed ~20,000 Americans this season, estimated to top out
around 30,000.

Draw your own conclusions.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] FW: Mfg - was :Thank God They Put the Paper Floor Mat Down....

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Jeep Cherokee?RBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-03-19  1:26 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: fmiser  Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Mfg 
- was :Thank God They Put the Paper Floor Mat
  Down That's good.Anyone able to identify the manufacture of the car?  I'm 
fairlycertain I 
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

WHO is as believable as the chicoms.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 7:07 AM:

I think that the law / regulations set in place by Congress prevented us
from using any test developed by private industry or outside the US, back
in January.  Hindsight is 20-20.

Remember that in mid-January, WHO was parroting the CHICOM lie that this
virus was not able to be transmitted from human to human.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/

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Max
Charleston SC


WHO was telling us 20 years ago that in 20 years we'd all be dead.
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

CHICOMS ARE SAYING YOUNG healthy people who have been later scanned (Did 
not say ct or mri) show 20% permanent lung damage.   no confirmation 
from other areas.
  I don't see any reason why they would lie about this, but who knows. 
They lie about everything else.


Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 6:11 AM:

4-5% of those infected, so far as the available data goes.  May be lower due to 
lack of complete screening and the fact that infections can be mild enough they 
don't get reported.  Given that Itailians are in general a little healthier 
than US citizens (lower BMI, more exercise, etc) and those things have an 
effect on mortality, the death rate in the US may or may not be higher than 
Italy.

China and S. Korea show very low death rates for young people, but it appears 
that the numbers are higher in Italy (so are total death rates).

Have not heard of the permanent lung damage, but I'd not be surprised.  Makes 
sense that poor condition or underlying health issues cause higher death rates 
if significant lung damage occurs.




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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I think that the law / regulations set in place by Congress prevented us
from using any test developed by private industry or outside the US, back
in January.  Hindsight is 20-20.

Remember that in mid-January, WHO was parroting the CHICOM lie that this
virus was not able to be transmitted from human to human.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, if we had used the WHO test for the novel coronavirus (Like South
> Korea did) when it was offered to us in late January we likely could have
> prevented the vast majority of the cases we have now because we could have
> actually tracked exposure.
>
> WHO is far from perfect, but so is the Senate.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Italy has an older population than the US and much older than South Korea,
and apparently they stay skinny by smoking, there is your explanation for a
higher death rate there.
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Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:12 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 4-5% of those infected, so far as the available data goes.  May be lower
> due to lack of complete screening and the fact that infections can be mild
> enough they don't get reported.  Given that Itailians are in general a
> little healthier than US citizens (lower BMI, more exercise, etc) and those
> things have an effect on mortality, the death rate in the US may or may not
> be higher than Italy.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

4-5% of those infected, so far as the available data goes.  May be lower due to 
lack of complete screening and the fact that infections can be mild enough they 
don't get reported.  Given that Itailians are in general a little healthier 
than US citizens (lower BMI, more exercise, etc) and those things have an 
effect on mortality, the death rate in the US may or may not be higher than 
Italy.  

China and S. Korea show very low death rates for young people, but it appears 
that the numbers are higher in Italy (so are total death rates).  

Have not heard of the permanent lung damage, but I'd not be surprised.  Makes 
sense that poor condition or underlying health issues cause higher death rates 
if significant lung damage occurs.
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The key question is 4-5% of what?  The total population?  The number of 
estimated cases? The number that tested positive?  The number sick enough to be 
hospitalized?

I also heard that some young/healthy folks infected but with minimal symptoms 
suffered (permanent?  long term?)lung damage.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Peter Frederick via Mercedes
...
> Death rate in Italy appears to be 4-5% as well


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Re: [MBZ] FW: Mfg - was :Thank God They Put the Paper Floor Mat Down....

[fmiser via Mercedes]

That's good.

Anyone able to identify the manufacture of the car?  I'm fairly
certain I know.

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