date:20220414

I would additionally note that those photos were not taken in Chicago

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy computer 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
>> 
>> "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
>> 
>> Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

Yeah you know they cheeped out on that starter. Engineered to last warranty +1 
month

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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Engineering properly would dictate that the starter would be somewhat 
> overdesigned to accommodate for the additional wear and use, but that’s hard 
> to say.
> 
> I would like to see something in the way of research that proves it provides 
> a savings in the long run over the life of the car. I’m just not convinced 
> that it does.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Saves $10 in fuel for $200 in wear on the starter.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly 
>>> believe it saves anything in the long run.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy 
 computer 
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
> 
> "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
> 
> Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

Makes me want to roll coal.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, at 12:02 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> You're missing the point of it. It has nothing to do with the longevity of
> the car, nor your pocket book in any way. It is meant to reduce the amount
> of gasoline burnt that isn't propelling the car. Simply lowering the total
> amount of gas burned, not reducing your gas bill or total operating costs
> for the car.
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 10:36 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Engineering properly would dictate that the starter would be somewhat
>> overdesigned to accommodate for the additional wear and use, but that’s
>> hard to say.
>>
>> I would like to see something in the way of research that proves it
>> provides a savings in the long run over the life of the car. I’m just not
>> convinced that it does.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Saves $10 in fuel for $200 in wear on the starter.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly
>> >> believe it saves anything in the long run.
>> >>
>> >> -D
>> >>
>> >>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy
>> computer
>> >>>
>> >>> --FT
>> >>> Sent from iFōn
>> >>>
>>  On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
>> 
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
>> 
>>  "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
>> 
>>  Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

2022-04-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

You're missing the point of it. It has nothing to do with the longevity of
the car, nor your pocket book in any way. It is meant to reduce the amount
of gasoline burnt that isn't propelling the car. Simply lowering the total
amount of gas burned, not reducing your gas bill or total operating costs
for the car.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 10:36 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Engineering properly would dictate that the starter would be somewhat
> overdesigned to accommodate for the additional wear and use, but that’s
> hard to say.
>
> I would like to see something in the way of research that proves it
> provides a savings in the long run over the life of the car. I’m just not
> convinced that it does.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Saves $10 in fuel for $200 in wear on the starter.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly
> >> believe it saves anything in the long run.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy
> computer
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
>  On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
> 
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
> 
>  "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
> 
>  Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

Engineering properly would dictate that the starter would be somewhat 
overdesigned to accommodate for the additional wear and use, but that’s hard to 
say.

I would like to see something in the way of research that proves it provides a 
savings in the long run over the life of the car. I’m just not convinced that 
it does.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Saves $10 in fuel for $200 in wear on the starter.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly 
>> believe it saves anything in the long run.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy 
>>> computer 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
 
 https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
 
 "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
 
 Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

Saves $10 in fuel for $200 in wear on the starter.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 11:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly 
> believe it saves anything in the long run.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy 
>> computer 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
>>> 
>>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
>>> 
>>> "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

I hate that "shutoff the engine at stops" stuff. I don’t honestly believe it 
saves anything in the long run.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy computer 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
>> 
>> "Fuel-saving stop-start technology"
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

That’s nice. I think the start stop can be overridden with the fancy computer 

--FT
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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford F150 5 speed

Buy it and a some pliers. Cheap enough. Then find a junker at the knacker and 
get a new steering column and put a new lock in it

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> 
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[MBZ] 16CLS63AMG - 39k miles - $33,500

No doubt would be a fun car. Good colors too.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2016-mercedes-benz-cls-63-amg/7471047284.html

"Fuel-saving stop-start technology"

Yeah, I'm sure that will make a big difference


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[MBZ] 05E320CDI - 250k miles - $6500

Looks pretty nice, but with the miles thinking more like $4 or 5k?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/oak-lawn-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7471284294.html

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

2005-6 were the Black Death model years as well as the intake manifold flaps. 
EGRs can also be an issue with these.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:02 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> Weezurd tours a 2005 CDI.
> Seems like Woger used to say stay away from 2005, but I think that was mainly 
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12


Weezurd tours a 2005 CDI.
Seems like Woger used to say stay away from 2005, but I think that was 
mainly about the SBC before the warranty enhancement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pnuxtUGjak

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[MBZ] OT: Ford F150 5 speed

Since one of the boys has appropriated my Frontier, I was thinking this might 
be a good deal for when I need a truck until I read "starts with pliers"

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/paoli-1990-ford-f150-speed/7471007998.html

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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

No, it’s just that the PAC key chart is consider “internal” information. Some 
dealers care, some don’t. For people like me who are/were ordering keys for 
older cars with some regularity, it made their job easier, which is why they 
gave it to me.

It’s just like me using my own EPC to vet part numbers before I order them. 
They always get my list with the last 8 characters of the VIN, so they can 
validate my choices. It saves them time and is an easy sale because I do all 
the grunt work of looking things up. I feel a lot better (and so do they) about 
having them research difficult items when necessary, because I’ve usually saved 
them time and hassle on the front end.

They also share little “secrets” that you might otherwise not know, like how 
the group number a part is in is typically the first pair of numbers in the 
second group. 210 “82”0 01 51 meaning that the part is in Group 82, Electrical 
System. Makes it a lot easier to identify and track things down in the EPC 
knowing this if you have a part number, as the EPC isn’t always what I would 
call “intuitive".

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Really MB is concerned that information about the keys for ancient cars might 
> have leaked into the public domain? 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 10:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just don’t share where you got the chart, please. I’m sure you could 
>> probably find it online, but I don’t want to create any issues for my 
>> parts people.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will probably stop back in there Monday now I am informed what keys are 
>>> what.  I thought it was hard to believe they were not available.
>>> 
>>> On 4/14/2022 8:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
 stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.

 -D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the 
> EPC and the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, 
> shows NLA.  You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded 
> to this but perhaps not
> 
> On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, 
>> which means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They 
>> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it 
>> cut to match the VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, 
>> at least all of the keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year 
>> were.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Really MB is concerned that information about the keys for ancient cars might 
have leaked into the public domain? 

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 10:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Just don’t share where you got the chart, please. I’m sure you could 
> probably find it online, but I don’t want to create any issues for my 
> parts people.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will probably stop back in there Monday now I am informed what keys are 
>> what.  I thought it was hard to believe they were not available.
>> 
>> On 4/14/2022 8:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
>>> stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the EPC 
 and the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, shows 
 NLA.  You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded to this 
 but perhaps not
 
 On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, 
> which means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They 
> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it 
> cut to match the VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, 
> at least all of the keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys


You should have made the dealer order it again.

On 4/14/2022 9:17 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got
the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion
is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating
the lock.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:


The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available,
which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They
should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut
to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at
least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.

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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got
the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion
is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating
the lock.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:

>
> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available,
> which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They
> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut
> to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at
> least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

You don't have to worry about that.  I actually have a copy of that 
somewhere.  Might have seen it somewhere buried in the WIS, can't remember.


On 4/14/2022 9:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Just don’t share where you got the chart, please. I’m sure you could probably 
find it online, but I don’t want to create any issues for my parts people.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I will probably stop back in there Monday now I am informed what keys are what. 
 I thought it was hard to believe they were not available.

On 4/14/2022 8:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the EPC and 
the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, shows NLA.  
You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded to this but perhaps 
not

On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, which 
means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They should be 
able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut to match the 
VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at least all of the 
keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Just don’t share where you got the chart, please. I’m sure you could probably 
find it online, but I don’t want to create any issues for my parts people.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will probably stop back in there Monday now I am informed what keys are 
> what.  I thought it was hard to believe they were not available.
> 
> On 4/14/2022 8:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
>> stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the EPC 
>>> and the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, shows 
>>> NLA.  You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded to this 
>>> but perhaps not
>>> 
>>> On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, 
 which means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They 
 should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it 
 cut to match the VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, 
 at least all of the keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
 
 -D
 

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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

I will probably stop back in there Monday now I am informed what keys 
are what.  I thought it was hard to believe they were not available.


On 4/14/2022 8:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the EPC and 
the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, shows NLA.  
You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded to this but perhaps 
not

On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, which 
means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They should be 
able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut to match the 
VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at least all of the 
keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

My 78 450 slc had one of these.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 9:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That part number shows available

On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann 

wrote:

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
from Tom Hanson at the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:


I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
confused, not
sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
timer to
come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
Kaleb".?
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
years old,
still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
ago.?
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
realized it was a
116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
are NLA
also?? WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
could be
obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
sure if they really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

EPC is no good for keys, at least not for older cars. My guys/gals at the 
stealership always pull the PAC chart out when I’m shopping for keys.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the EPC 
> and the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, shows 
> NLA.  You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded to this but 
> perhaps not
> 
> On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, which 
>> means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They should be 
>> able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut to match 
>> the VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at least all of 
>> the keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My 78 450 slc had one of these.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 9:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 That part number shows available
 
 On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:
> The number he said to use was A2017600306
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann 
 wrote:
>Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
>my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
>from Tom Hanson at the CC.
> 
>On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
> 
> 
>I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
>this 79
>450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
>side cut
>key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
>confused, not
>sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
>timer to
>come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
>Kaleb".?
>This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
>years old,
>still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
>ago.?
>Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
>He starts
>ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
>realized it was a
>116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
>this is the
>same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
>are NLA
>also?? WTF?
> 
>Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
>could be
>obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
>the door
>handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
>gave me a
>couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
>sure if they really can or not.
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Yea, I took the title etc down.  I think they were just looking in the 
EPC and the part numbers showing there for 116, at least the epc I have, 
shows NLA.  You would think their EPC would show the key was superseded 
to this but perhaps not


On 4/14/2022 8:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, which 
means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They should be 
able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut to match the 
VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at least all of the 
keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

My 78 450 slc had one of these.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 9:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That part number shows available

On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann 

wrote:

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
from Tom Hanson at the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:


I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
confused, not
sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
timer to
come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
Kaleb".?
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
years old,
still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
ago.?
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
realized it was a
116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
are NLA
also?? WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
could be
obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
sure if they really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available, which 
means they’re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They should be 
able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut to match the 
VIN. That’s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at least all of the 
keys I’ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 78 450 slc had one of these.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 9:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That part number shows available
>> 
>> On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:
>>> The number he said to use was A2017600306
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
>>>my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
>>>from Tom Hanson at the CC.
>>> 
>>>On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
>>>this 79
>>>450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
>>>side cut
>>>key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
>>>confused, not
>>>sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
>>>timer to
>>>come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
>>>Kaleb".?
>>>This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
>>>years old,
>>>still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
>>>ago.?
>>>Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
>>>He starts
>>>ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
>>>realized it was a
>>>116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
>>>this is the
>>>same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
>>>are NLA
>>>also?? WTF?
>>> 
>>>Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
>>>could be
>>>obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
>>>the door
>>>handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
>>>gave me a
>>>couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
>>>sure if they really can or not.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

They discussed looking at a key chart, so I guess even the old guy 
couldnt figure it out?


On 4/14/2022 8:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The official “PAC Key Chart” which your stealership should have consulted says 
the 116 (1979-80) with HA Profile is a 201 760 03 06. It also says:

Many older style keys with HO, HF, HM, HY, HU, and HZ Profiles (Inc luding All 
123 chassis):
BQ476 0037 Master
BQ476 0038 Secondary

If anyone wants a copy I’ll gladly share. It’s a bulletin that they use to 
identify older key types. Private message me and I’ll send a copy.

-D


On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

That part number shows available

On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
from Tom Hanson at the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:


I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
confused, not
sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
timer to
come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
Kaleb".?
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
years old,
still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
ago.?
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
realized it was a
116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
are NLA
also?? WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
could be
obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
sure if they really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

2022-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

My 78 450 slc had one of these.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 9:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That part number shows available
>
> On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:
> > The number he said to use was A2017600306
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann 
> wrote:
> >
> > Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
> > my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
> > from Tom Hanson at the CC.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
> >
> >
> > I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
> > this 79
> > 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
> > side cut
> > key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
> > confused, not
> > sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
> > timer to
> > come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
> > Kaleb".?
> > This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
> > years old,
> > still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
> > ago.?
> > Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
> > He starts
> > ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
> > realized it was a
> > 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
> > this is the
> > same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
> > are NLA
> > also?? WTF?
> >
> > Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
> > could be
> > obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
> > the door
> > handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
> > gave me a
> > couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
> > sure if they really can or not.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

The official “PAC Key Chart” which your stealership should have consulted says 
the 116 (1979-80) with HA Profile is a 201 760 03 06. It also says:

Many older style keys with HO, HF, HM, HY, HU, and HZ Profiles (Inc luding All 
123 chassis):
BQ476 0037 Master
BQ476 0038 Secondary

If anyone wants a copy I’ll gladly share. It’s a bulletin that they use to 
identify older key types. Private message me and I’ll send a copy.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That part number shows available
> 
> On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:
>> The number he said to use was A2017600306
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:
>> 
>>Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
>>my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
>>from Tom Hanson at the CC.
>> 
>>On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
>>this 79
>>450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
>>side cut
>>key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
>>confused, not
>>sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
>>timer to
>>come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
>>Kaleb".?
>>This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
>>years old,
>>still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
>>ago.?
>>Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
>>He starts
>>ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
>>realized it was a
>>116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
>>this is the
>>same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
>>are NLA
>>also?? WTF?
>> 
>>Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
>>could be
>>obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
>>the door
>>handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
>>gave me a
>>couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
>>sure if they really can or not.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys


That part number shows available

On 4/14/2022 8:33 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for
my 116 last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got
from Tom Hanson at the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:


I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for
this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square
side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very
confused, not
sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old
timer to
come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi
Kaleb".?
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16
years old,
still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years
ago.?
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.?
He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just
realized it was a
116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume
this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those
are NLA
also?? WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it
could be
obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of
the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer
gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not
sure if they really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

I am not sure what part number they were looking at.  The old dude knew 
which key to find but I supposed it is possible they were just 
discontinued.  How does a person get ahold of Tom and I will see what he 
can do.


On 4/14/2022 8:28 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:


I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
also?? WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

The 116 used both types.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:34 Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I didn't realize that the 116 (which I have never had one of) used those
> dinky
> little 201 keys.  The 107/126/123 keys we have are all the same.  Chunky
> side-cut keys.  IIRC, our older 107 was an edge-cut key, as is the 114 and
> 115.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

2022-04-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I didn't realize that the 116 (which I have never had one of) used those dinky
little 201 keys.  The 107/126/123 keys we have are all the same.  Chunky
side-cut keys.  IIRC, our older 107 was an edge-cut key, as is the 114 and 115.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
> last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
> the CC.
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
>
>>
>> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
>> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
>> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
>> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
>> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
>> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
>> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
>> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
>> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
>> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
>> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
>> also?? WTF?
>>
>> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
>> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
>> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
>> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
>> really can or not.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Look on the Bay of es for blanks. Lots of chinee stuff on there, might have 
some for the old Benzes. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would ASSUME the 123 keys are still available, but I ASSUMED the late 116 
> keys would be as well.  In fact, I would have ASSUMED the late 116 keys would 
> more likely to be available since they are used in the 201 which ran up thru 
> the early 90's.  Maybe they are similar but a little different.  I guess I 
> need to compare them sometime.
> 
>> On 4/14/2022 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was about to reply that the key to my '79 300D and '83 300D were the same 
>> but I just compared them and they are not the same. Similar key but not 
>> exactly the same.
>> 
>> I guess I better not lose the key to my 116. Are the 123 keys still 
>> available I wonder?
>> 
>> Next time I'm near my local locksmith I'll try to remember to ask if they 
>> have any blanks.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
>>> 450SEL that I lost the key to.  This is the later small square side cut
>>> key like used on the 201 etc.  Kid at the counter was very confused, not
>>> sure what key it was etc.  He said he needed to get the old timer to
>>> come up there.  Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".
>>> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
>>> still there.  Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.
>>> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.  He starts
>>> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
>>> 116 and not a 126.  And nope, those keys are NLA.  I assume this is the
>>> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
>>> also?  WTF?
>>> 
>>> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
>>> obtained from the classic center?  What about pulling one of the door
>>> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?  The dealer gave me a
>>> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
>>> really can or not.
>>> 
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[MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:

>
> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
> also?? WTF?
>
> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
> really can or not.
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

I would ASSUME the 123 keys are still available, but I ASSUMED the late 
116 keys would be as well.  In fact, I would have ASSUMED the late 116 
keys would more likely to be available since they are used in the 201 
which ran up thru the early 90's.  Maybe they are similar but a little 
different.  I guess I need to compare them sometime.


On 4/14/2022 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I was about to reply that the key to my '79 300D and '83 300D were the same but 
I just compared them and they are not the same. Similar key but not exactly the 
same.

I guess I better not lose the key to my 116. Are the 123 keys still available I 
wonder?

Next time I'm near my local locksmith I'll try to remember to ask if they have 
any blanks.

Allan

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
450SEL that I lost the key to.  This is the later small square side cut
key like used on the 201 etc.  Kid at the counter was very confused, not
sure what key it was etc.  He said he needed to get the old timer to
come up there.  Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
still there.  Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.  He starts
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
116 and not a 126.  And nope, those keys are NLA.  I assume this is the
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
also?  WTF?

Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
obtained from the classic center?  What about pulling one of the door
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?  The dealer gave me a
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
really can or not.


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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

I was about to reply that the key to my '79 300D and '83 300D were the same but 
I just compared them and they are not the same. Similar key but not exactly the 
same.

I guess I better not lose the key to my 116. Are the 123 keys still available I 
wonder?

Next time I'm near my local locksmith I'll try to remember to ask if they have 
any blanks.

Allan

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79 
> 450SEL that I lost the key to.  This is the later small square side cut 
> key like used on the 201 etc.  Kid at the counter was very confused, not 
> sure what key it was etc.  He said he needed to get the old timer to 
> come up there.  Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".  
> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old, 
> still there.  Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.  
> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.  He starts 
> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a 
> 116 and not a 126.  And nope, those keys are NLA.  I assume this is the 
> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA 
> also?  WTF?
>
> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be 
> obtained from the classic center?  What about pulling one of the door 
> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?  The dealer gave me a 
> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they 
> really can or not.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?

No it’s closer to my standard offer. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Probably 2 1/2 times your standard offer. Meaning about $1,250. But that's 
> my guess, and I wouldn't expect you to tell anyone.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 14, 2022 6:39 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?
> 
> These found me.  I am not even going to say what I have in these because
> nobody would probably believe me.   Basically I traded a extremely low
> mile (109k) 99 E300 for them.  I figured I could probably get $4k out of
> that car if I was selling it, so I guess going by that I have 4k in the
> 123.  ACV on the 210 was way below that figure though.
> 
>> On 4/9/2022 10:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> How do you find these... or do they find you?
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, at 11:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That first one is out of your league nice. I love the white 240D manny.
>>> I drive that all damn day.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Here is a video
 
 https://youtu.be/-HhmMQteamk
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> well I get comments on my 300 CD. I do think there is something so 
> appealing about 123 styling. classic.
> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 7:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Just got home from hauling 2 more 123 turbos back to the house. Once is 
>> most likely a parts car on the trailer. The other is an absolute 
>> pristine BAT bait car. I’m mean jaw dropping nice. I mean Dean what’s 
>> his name nice. No way does it belong at Okie Acres nice. The wife drove 
>> it back.  Had people pulling along side taking photos. Had to stop at 
>> Sam’s on the way back and had people coming up asking about it? Wtf? I 
>> used to drive 123s all the time and never had this happen. What’s going 
>> to happen when I break out a 115 or 116 and start driving it?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

Thanks, I missed that.

Beats probably $1,000 for the conductor plate, especially if it’s got to be 
coded to the car.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> He said they came from the land of large women, so I assume they are made 
> from only the finest chinesium.
> 
> 
> Rick
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> 
> That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
> however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
> they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
>> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
>> 
>> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?

2022-04-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Probably 2 1/2 times your standard offer. Meaning about $1,250. But that's my 
guess, and I wouldn't expect you to tell anyone.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?

These found me.  I am not even going to say what I have in these because
nobody would probably believe me.   Basically I traded a extremely low
mile (109k) 99 E300 for them.  I figured I could probably get $4k out of
that car if I was selling it, so I guess going by that I have 4k in the
123.  ACV on the 210 was way below that figure though.

On 4/9/2022 10:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> How do you find these... or do they find you?
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, at 11:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> That first one is out of your league nice. I love the white 240D manny.
>> I drive that all damn day.
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a video
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/-HhmMQteamk
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:

 
 well I get comments on my 300 CD. I do think there is something so 
 appealing about 123 styling. classic.

>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 7:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> Just got home from hauling 2 more 123 turbos back to the house. Once is 
> most likely a parts car on the trailer. The other is an absolute pristine 
> BAT bait car. I’m mean jaw dropping nice. I mean Dean what’s his name 
> nice. No way does it belong at Okie Acres nice. The wife drove it back.  
> Had people pulling along side taking photos. Had to stop at Sam’s on the 
> way back and had people coming up asking about it? Wtf? I used to drive 
> 123s all the time and never had this happen. What’s going to happen when 
> I break out a 115 or 116 and start driving it?
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

2022-04-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

He said they came from the land of large women, so I assume they are made from 
only the finest chinesium.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
>
> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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[MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79 
450SEL that I lost the key to.  This is the later small square side cut 
key like used on the 201 etc.  Kid at the counter was very confused, not 
sure what key it was etc.  He said he needed to get the old timer to 
come up there.  Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".  
This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old, 
still there.  Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.  
Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.  He starts 
ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a 
116 and not a 126.  And nope, those keys are NLA.  I assume this is the 
same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA 
also?  WTF?


Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be 
obtained from the classic center?  What about pulling one of the door 
handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?  The dealer gave me a 
couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they 
really can or not.



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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

That was interesting. He didn’t say if the speed sensors were OE parts, 
however. Since they sell the conductor plate as an assembly, I’m wondering if 
they sell the sensors separately or those were aftermarket parts?

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 3:15 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
> And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.
> 
> It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs
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Re: [MBZ] Are w123s a major attraction to people?

These found me.  I am not even going to say what I have in these because 
nobody would probably believe me.   Basically I traded a extremely low 
mile (109k) 99 E300 for them.  I figured I could probably get $4k out of 
that car if I was selling it, so I guess going by that I have 4k in the 
123.  ACV on the 210 was way below that figure though.


On 4/9/2022 10:50 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

How do you find these... or do they find you?

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, at 11:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

That first one is out of your league nice. I love the white 240D manny.
I drive that all damn day.

AZBob

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wrote:

Here is a video

https://youtu.be/-HhmMQteamk

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:


well I get comments on my 300 CD. I do think there is something so appealing 
about 123 styling. classic.


On Sat, Apr 9, 2022, 7:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just got home from hauling 2 more 123 turbos back to the house. Once is most 
likely a parts car on the trailer. The other is an absolute pristine BAT bait 
car. I’m mean jaw dropping nice. I mean Dean what’s his name nice. No way does 
it belong at Okie Acres nice. The wife drove it back.  Had people pulling along 
side taking photos. Had to stop at Sam’s on the way back and had people coming 
up asking about it? Wtf? I used to drive 123s all the time and never had this 
happen. What’s going to happen when I break out a 115 or 116 and start driving 
it?

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Re: [MBZ] CrossClimate 2s

2022-04-14 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

AZ Bob wrote: and are quite on the freeway.
Quite a bit quieter than the tires  that you had? Just be careful not to loose 
pressure or you’ll loose your break petal or is that Peddle?
Just having fun!
Kevin in Lexington, NC

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> 
> I got the CrossClimate 2s put on the Passat today. They look kind of strange 
> from the side. From the side they look very luggy and aggressive. They will 
> take some getting used to. Drives really nice and are quite on the freeway. 
> 
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[MBZ] CrossClimate 2s

2022-04-14 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

I got the CrossClimate 2s put on the Passat today. They look kind of strange 
from the side. From the side they look very luggy and aggressive. They will 
take some getting used to. Drives really nice and are quite on the freeway. 



AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

A lot of them aren’t buying jets necessarily, they’re just chartering far more. 
The leasing services that let you buy “shares” in a plane or fleet have also 
increased significantly over the past few years as well.


-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> ...about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
>> of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
>> they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.
> 
> Buying a jet in order to avoid riding in plague-tubes makes you less
> rich, no matter how you slice it.  Immaterial, though, if peoples' reactions
> to covid increases your business enough to pay for it.  (Amazon, Netflix, 
> etc.)
> 
> But it's good for Honest Omar's Flying Carpets, and private pilots, and...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12


Mrs Weezer needs ball joints on the ABC struts.
And...a 722.9 turbine speed sensor on the conductor plate.

It's worth watching for the conductor plate repair IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5y3tX03qs

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

Those subscription charter services are doing big business. The number of 
private jets flying into our little local airport bringing the swells to the 
resort lifestyle gated beach community on a weekend is most interesting to see. 
The other day I saw a G5 or 6, it was big, getting ready to take off. Judging 
by the windows it could probably haul 30-40 people easily. 

There are those who also own them, might be a bunch of them here, or corporate 
jets they use. A few years ago I started a little cycling group, we had a core 
group but various people would join and drop over time. One ride there was this 
young couple in front of me talking to each other about taking a trip to 
Ethiopia.  They apparently had thought about it but had decided right then to 
do it.  The woman says well I’ll call and tell them to get the jet ready for 
next week then. Ok…

--FT
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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> ...about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
>> of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
>> they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.
> 
> Buying a jet in order to avoid riding in plague-tubes makes you less
> rich, no matter how you slice it.  Immaterial, though, if peoples' reactions
> to covid increases your business enough to pay for it.  (Amazon, Netflix, 
> etc.)
> 
> But it's good for Honest Omar's Flying Carpets, and private pilots, and...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

2022-04-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> ...about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
> of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
> they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.

Buying a jet in order to avoid riding in plague-tubes makes you less
rich, no matter how you slice it.  Immaterial, though, if peoples' reactions
to covid increases your business enough to pay for it.  (Amazon, Netflix, etc.)

But it's good for Honest Omar's Flying Carpets, and private pilots, and...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Planespotting

2022-04-14 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Yeah you get to peel back the curtain a bit on the layers of the economy
when you start paying attention to private jet traffic. All that stuff
people say about the rich getting richer during covid is 100% true. Prices
of private jets are out of sight. If people have the means to fly private
they do, and there are a lot of people with the means.

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> This ADSB receiver I got the boy is a major time suck. While we’ve still
> got to get a better antenna setup going, it still pulls in a lot of traffic
> overhead.
>
> I’ve seen three FedEx planes on their way to Honolulu this afternoon, one
> of them an MD-11. Another FedEx MD-11 going from MEM to LAX right behind
> the other.
>
> It’s also interesting how many private jets there are who don’t report
> their registrations publicly.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300CD Steering Box

2022-04-14 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Rebuilt steering box will transform the car; get one from a reputable place
or it will probably need to be replaced again in short order and you will
spend more on the 2x labor than you would have on a decent rebuilt box.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 5:48 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Ralph,
>
> There is a company in Nevada that is considered the expert and go-to place
> to get rebuilt steering boxes for Mercedes called C Hydraulics. Your
> mechanic should be able to purchase from them, they don’t sell to the end
> user/general public. Their rebuilt steering boxes aren’t cheap, but they
> have a very good reputation and stand behind their products.
>
> http://candmhydraulics.com/index.html
>
> I spent some time speaking with them a few year back when I was dealing
> with some issues on a W140 with an odd steering issue and they were very
> helpful and ultimately identified the problem as being a control issue and
> not the steering box.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 13, 2022, at 5:48 AM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My steering became stiff and would try to lock up when turning.  The
> > steering had started having a bit of play while driving, and I had to
> > constantly correct it.  Didn't bother me much and I just figured it was
> old
> > and needed some slight adjustment, but then this locking up and stiffness
> > set in very quickly.  He analyzed all the front end linkage from the
> actual
> > steering shaft and everything is fine there.  After disconnecting all the
> > items involved with the steering, this problem still persists.  That left
> > only the direct steering box intact, and the issue was still there.
> There
> > are very few older style M.B.'s in my area, here in N.B., Canada, but he
> > does have an  '84/85 300C of his own, not a diesel, but hasn't run into
> > this problem before.  I doubt one would be available at a wrecking yard,
> > but I could check.
> > If I could find another part I am pretty sure he could get it done okay.
> > Can these be rebuilt?
> > Thanks.
> > Ralph
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would first say, if you're not doing your own work, then find a shop
> >> that is experienced in older MB vehicles before doing any expensive
> repairs
> >> (may be easier said than done depending on where you are located).
> >>
> >> What is the problem the mechanic diagnosed?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I am having a problem with my steering box, and I am looking to replace
> >> it,
> >>> if I can find one.  The garage I have looking into my problem feels I
> >> would
> >>> have to replace it with either a new one or a reconditioned one; if
> there
> >>> is such a thing.  Would this part be available thru a normal auto parts
> >>> store, or should I be enquiring thru a M.B. Dealer?  The mechanic is
> not
> >> a
> >>> M.B specialist, and is not familiar with this part.  Would it be
> >> reasonable
> >>> to overhaul it, or is it a replacement situation?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Ralph  Robertson
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Re: [MBZ] W123s

Well when you get ready to sell it let me know. I might be interested 

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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I need a W123 back in my life. That white 240D Kaleb teased me with in that 
> video is what I need since it was my first hard core MB lust. DIBS!! The 
> looks, the sound, the feel….yeah.
>  
> I think I’ve gotten over the idea I might consider wanting to buy a big-ass 
> fifth wheel. That being said, I probably will sell my big-ass pickup in the 
> next few months (2005 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins 5.9).
>  
> Nine treatments down, 19 to go.
>  
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[MBZ] W123s

2022-04-14 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

I need a W123 back in my life. That white 240D Kaleb teased me with in that video is what I need since it was my first hard core MB lust. DIBS!! The looks, the sound, the feel….yeah. I think I’ve gotten over the idea I might consider wanting to buy a big-ass fifth wheel. That being said, I probably will sell my big-ass pickup in the next few months (2005 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins 5.9).  Nine treatments down, 19 to go.  AZBob  Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] 2000 E55 AMG - 112k miles - $11,000

2022-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Short list of what works great.  Is there a longer list?

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 10:33 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Looks pretty nice but I'd check carefully for rust. Also rebuilt title.
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Re: [MBZ] New MB electromobile

2022-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Who needs to look at the road with all those fabulous displays to occupy
100% of one's attention.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 9:56 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Interesting review by Shmee who is annoying but usually spot on
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> https://youtu.be/QS3LWjTpmlQ
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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

2022-04-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

This is in my future so I am (not?) encouraged! I would probably go
with the rebuilds from TH and be done with it, probably not worth the
time and bother associated with zylinder DIY rebuild. And with the
cars going upupup in value it would not be a bad expenditure to get it
right. Does not sound like a pleasant job but that's whatchagottado.

The German guy commenting on the vid made some interesting points about
the wiring too -- apparently the biodegradable wiring was not a German
gummint mandate but some cheap-out by MB with some suppliers of certain
wiring, not all of the wires in the looms. He also said there were at
least 2 or 3 Euro suppliers for "new" looms. i checked out one of them,
and I think I had looked at another one, so there are parts out there.
And again rewiring the looms is a DIY job but it is tricky and
time-consuming. I have not dug into the wiring yet but I am sure that
and the throttle bodies are going to need some work.

I got the new rear spheres in but since I have the car up on blocks and
the rad out I have not fired it up and pumped up the suspension system
yet. That will have to wait.

The joys of a 90s German supercar! I am comforted it is not Italian
with unobtanium parts.

--FT

On 4/14/22 11:01 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

So here’s what I have to say about R129 top cylinders:

1.) There are numerous suppliers of “kits” on eBay and elsewhere for seal
replacement. While this allegedly is a simple job, as Floyd mentioned, even the
slightest scratch on the chrome plated cylinder rods can permanently ruin them.
That and there’s no telling how long the seals will last. This should be a once
in a ownership job, ideally, and in my opinion, justifies the complete rebuild
of the cylinders by a competent firm such as Top Hydraulics, who guarantees
their work *and* provides excellent support. Not only that, but some
components, such as the top locks in the top of the windshield frame, are
easily damaged if you attempt to disassemble them, and also require careful
alignment when reassembling for them to work correctly. Top Hydraulics aligns
and adjusts them when they rebuild them, cutting down the time it takes to get
everything working again after reassembly. Sure, it’s easily $800 (or more) for
a complete cylinder rebuild depending on the model, but it cuts to the
potential for future issues down to almost nothing. Not only that, but if you
goof up a cylinder, you’re buying a new one, which will cost you more than what
a rebuild of the complete set costs.

2.) R is an unpleasant job, mainly because you have to disassemble the back section
of the interior. Other than that, it’s just a brute force, time consuming job that requires
a lot of arm scratching gyrations to get to everything. Again, Top Hydraulics provides some
really good documentation on R of the cylinders and what to watch out for, as there
are some microswitches on the top frame that are critical to proper operation that are
easily damaged or goofed up when R’ing if you’re not careful.

It takes all of a day to remove and another day to install. Again, it’s a lot of
R that you can’t shortcut, you just have to take your time and do it
properly. It’s not difficult nor does it require special tools, it just takes time.

-D

On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via
Mercedes wrote:

My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which suggests
the top is inop. I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried to raise the
soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the o-rings, you just have to
be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them in right. I think Dan said he
did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time is pulling and replacing panels.

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes
wrote:

On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL. See:
http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010

I spent $9 on parts for it. That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up. (Not getting driven a lot, though.)

Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch
cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.

Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders
reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?

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Re: [MBZ] I actually like this -- 2017 Mercedes-Benz C63s AMG "Edition 1" Coupe w/25k Miles

2022-04-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


Apparently not sold at a bid of $63.5k but you can BIN for $75k

BID TO

$63,500
ENDED ON
04/13/2022 06:59PM

https://thembmarket.com/2017-mercedes-benz-c63s-amg-edition-one

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/ctd/d/dallas-2017-mercedes-benz-c63-amg/7470939979.html

--FT

On 4/13/22 10:45 AM, Floyd Thursby wrote:


The color combo works well.  If had a big pocketful of cash I would 
buy that thing and drive it.


https://thembmarket.com/2017-mercedes-benz-c63s-amg-edition-one

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

So here’s what I have to say about R129 top cylinders:

1.) There are numerous suppliers of “kits” on eBay and elsewhere for seal 
replacement. While this allegedly is a simple job, as Floyd mentioned, even the 
slightest scratch on the chrome plated cylinder rods can permanently ruin them. 
That and there’s no telling how long the seals will last. This should be a once 
in a ownership job, ideally, and in my opinion, justifies the complete rebuild 
of the cylinders by a competent firm such as Top Hydraulics, who guarantees 
their work *and* provides excellent support. Not only that, but some 
components, such as the top locks in the top of the windshield frame, are 
easily damaged if you attempt to disassemble them, and also require careful 
alignment when reassembling for them to work correctly. Top Hydraulics aligns 
and adjusts them when they rebuild them, cutting down the time it takes to get 
everything working again after reassembly. Sure, it’s easily $800 (or more) for 
a complete cylinder rebuild depending on the model, but it cuts to the 
potential for future issues down to almost nothing. Not only that, but if you 
goof up a cylinder, you’re buying a new one, which will cost you more than what 
a rebuild of the complete set costs.

2.) R is an unpleasant job, mainly because you have to disassemble the back 
section of the interior. Other than that, it’s just a brute force, time 
consuming job that requires a lot of arm scratching gyrations to get to 
everything. Again, Top Hydraulics provides some really good documentation on 
R of the cylinders and what to watch out for, as there are some microswitches 
on the top frame that are critical to proper operation that are easily damaged 
or goofed up when R’ing if you’re not careful.

It takes all of a day to remove and another day to install. Again, it’s a lot 
of R that you can’t shortcut, you just have to take your time and do it 
properly. It’s not difficult nor does it require special tools, it just takes 
time.

-D

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 10:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which 
> suggests the top is inop.  I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried 
> to raise the soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the 
> o-rings, you just have to be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them 
> in right. I think Dan said he did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time 
> is pulling and replacing panels. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
>>> It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
>>> harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
>>> the 560 SEL.  See:
>>>   http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010
>>> 
>>> I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
>>> still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)
>> 
>> Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch 
>> cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.
>> 
>> Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders 
>> reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?
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[MBZ] 2000 E55 AMG - 112k miles - $11,000

Looks pretty nice but I'd check carefully for rust. Also rebuilt title.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-mercedes-benz/7471075065.html

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[MBZ] $17,500 and its yours --- Let's Party!

Don't even think of texting me and asking me to email you I do not do email

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/palos-park-like-new-price-reduced/7471089069.html

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

My car had a package of o-rings for the top zylinders in the trunk which 
suggests the top is inop.  I have had the hardtop off once but have not tried 
to raise the soft top. From what I read it is not hard to replace the o-rings, 
you just have to be careful not to scratch the metal and to get them in right. 
I think Dan said he did the R in like 10-12 hr. A lot of the time is pulling 
and replacing panels. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
>> It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
>> harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
>> the 560 SEL.  See:
>>http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010
>> 
>> I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
>> still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)
> 
> Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little latch 
> cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.
> 
> Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the cylinders 
> reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?
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[MBZ] New MB electromobile

Interesting review by Shmee who is annoying but usually spot on

https://youtu.be/QS3LWjTpmlQ

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12


On 2022-04-14 09:44, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL.  See:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010


I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)


Somebody in the comments claimed that the parts to reseal the little 
latch cylinders in the windshield header were $2/per cylinder.


Hey Dan, was the weezurd's estimate of 10-11 hours to R all the 
cylinders reasonable, or can it be done quicker than that?


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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

2022-04-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I hope one of these never comes my way, I'd be tempted.
It seems doubtful that these cylinders would be all that much
harder to deal with, individually, than was the rear strut in
the 560 SEL.  See:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/SELlog.html#21Dec2010 


I spent $9 on parts for it.  That was 12 years ago, and it's
still holding up.  (Not getting driven a lot, though.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12

I engaged in discussions with the owner and some others in the comments. The 
owner says he knew the issues and was ok with the deal (more money than sense I 
guess) and that the weezurd gets a lot of views from the drama which makes 
sense. 

One guy, a German maybe, had interesting comments about the wire insulation 
issue. 

Mine in probably similar condition but better spec was $2250 which I think was 
quite reasonable but I can address the issues myself. It will take some dineros 
for parts and time buts that’s the deal with owning a 90s supercar. You know, 
being an inthoooseeass and all. 

—FT

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> On Apr 14, 2022, at 8:27 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mr Wizard checks out the faults in a R129.
> And explains why the $7500 price should have been more like $2700.
> 
> For starters, the roof hydraulics want to splooge all over you...
> 
> (which explains why pre purchase inspections beat post purchase inspections)
> 
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[MBZ] Wow, I could have had a V12