subject:"\[MBZ\] Trailer"

> I am not sure why they would have designed such a system.

Lamp-out warning?  (If at least one bulb is connected, make sure _all_ are 
connected, else warn.)
Modification of braking parameters if trailer is connected?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer adapters

2022-08-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

When I put the tow hitch on my Volvo, I bought a separate light controller for 
the trailer lights. It plugs into the car's factory wiring harness for the 
taillights, so no cutting or splicing wires, and has an independent power 
connection. It doesn't appreciably change the load on the car's lighting, so 
the "bulb-out" nannies are happy, and it handles LED or incandescent trailers 
fine as it's just supplying 12v signals. Mine has a 4-pin flat connector for 
the trailer.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, at 08:42, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Rick,
>
> That’s a straight adapter from 7 pin to 4/5 pin - I’ve got one. It does 
> nothing to allow the car to work with LED trailer lights, that’s the 
> issue. The “bulb out” feature of the car won’t play nice with LED 
> trailer lights, so there’s got to be an adapter to put the necessary 
> load on the circuits to “fool” the car into working with the LEDs.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

> In the case of the trailer the manufacturer jumped on the bandwagon and 
> probably sold it as a benefit to UHaul -- "it will be cheaper in the long 
> run!"

Bingo!  And, I bet it isn't.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Yeah I hate the retrofit LED headlights (and I guess even the new ones 
on trucks and cars these days that are blinding).  The goobers around 
here like the eye-burners in their squatted pickups.  It's cook I 
guess.  I can't really see the point but there it is.  I have not 
noticed other lights blinking or whatever.


In the case of the trailer the manufacturer jumped on the bandwagon and 
probably sold it as a benefit to UHaul -- "it will be cheaper in the 
long run!"


I was looking for a replacement headlight unit for the S550 (W221), the 
newer ("facelift") ones seem to have LED strips in them and wouldn't 
work in the car, but some guys retrofit the controllers or nannies or 
something into their older cars. Seems like too much work but whatever.  
The new LED lighting all seems like a one-unit thing, and yeah, will 
have to be replaced as a unit if they will even be available in the 
future.  More throwaway disposable "energy saving" when a $2 bulb could 
save a car from being junked because the parts are either NLA or too 
expensive for a 10 or 15yo car.


Even this S550 headlight was like $650 new from a stealer, not LED 
stuff.  And it is just cheap plastic with some ballasts and bulbs and 
whatnot, certainly nothing in there particularly exotic but there you go.


--FT

On 8/14/22 12:52 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I agree, replace like with like, but in this case UHaul put them in a trailer 
and that caused the issue with the older vehicle.  I guess some sort of 
resistor or whatever would do the job but it would kinda defeat the LED aspect.

And what aspect is that?  Blindingly-bright epilepsy-inducing blinking?  
Pointless energy saving
on a fuel-burning vehicle?  It's certainly not cost-saving!  Incandescent bulbs 
are cheaper.


Probably the power supplies in them as they tend to get dim or blink before finally 
failing.  The LED emitters themselves are probably still OK but can't get any electrons 
to turn into photons.  So much for "lifetime" bulbs.

LED lamps are not 'forever' devices.  The LEDs themselves degrade with time,
as do the phosphors used in white lamps.  Heat kills/degrades the LEDs, too.
There's no incentive for a fly-by-night manufacturer to make a device that works
for very long.  They particularly like to shortcut the thermal design aspects, 
resulting
in devices that fail prematurely.

Back to the trailer.  I believe that the _system_ cost of LEDs is higher.  Yes, 
an
incandescent installation needs periodic bulb replacement, but said replacements
are cheap, and usually easy to do.  Restoring 100% as-new functionality when 
done.
LED systems are not as cheap, 'need no servicing', and may be 
difficult/expensive/impossible
to service when the LED array inevitably does exhibit problems.  But, that'll 
be long after
the warrantee is over, and so it's not the manufacturer's problem.  It's yours.

Ever been behind a truck/trailer that has LED taillights that aren't at 100%?  
Flickering?
Spastic blinking?  Some LED emitters clearly out?  I have.  You have to go to 
the dealer/mfr
to fix that, not FLAPS.  Bet it's not cheap!  (Might not even be possible.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Yup, the underlying technology does not want 120v AC. It has to be
converted, and that adds complexity, cost, and lower efficiency.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:42 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, at 12:36, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > I need to replace a load of LED spot bulbs I put in my kitchen 8-10yr
> > ago, most of them have burned out.  Probably the power supplies in them
> > as they tend to get dim or blink before finally failing.  The LED
> > emitters themselves are probably still OK but can't get any electrons to
> > turn into photons.  So much for "lifetime" bulbs.
>
> It has been my experience that none of the CFL or LED bulbs I've been
> forced to buy over the last 5-10 years deliver a real-world service life
> any longer than incandescents. They may use less electricity, but they also
> cost 10x as much.
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

> I agree, replace like with like, but in this case UHaul put them in a trailer 
> and that caused the issue with the older vehicle.  I guess some sort of 
> resistor or whatever would do the job but it would kinda defeat the LED 
> aspect.

And what aspect is that?  Blindingly-bright epilepsy-inducing blinking?  
Pointless energy saving
on a fuel-burning vehicle?  It's certainly not cost-saving!  Incandescent bulbs 
are cheaper.

> Probably the power supplies in them as they tend to get dim or blink before 
> finally failing.  The LED emitters themselves are probably still OK but can't 
> get any electrons to turn into photons.  So much for "lifetime" bulbs.

LED lamps are not 'forever' devices.  The LEDs themselves degrade with time,
as do the phosphors used in white lamps.  Heat kills/degrades the LEDs, too.
There's no incentive for a fly-by-night manufacturer to make a device that works
for very long.  They particularly like to shortcut the thermal design aspects, 
resulting
in devices that fail prematurely.

Back to the trailer.  I believe that the _system_ cost of LEDs is higher.  Yes, 
an
incandescent installation needs periodic bulb replacement, but said replacements
are cheap, and usually easy to do.  Restoring 100% as-new functionality when 
done.
LED systems are not as cheap, 'need no servicing', and may be 
difficult/expensive/impossible
to service when the LED array inevitably does exhibit problems.  But, that'll 
be long after
the warrantee is over, and so it's not the manufacturer's problem.  It's yours.

Ever been behind a truck/trailer that has LED taillights that aren't at 100%?  
Flickering?
Spastic blinking?  Some LED emitters clearly out?  I have.  You have to go to 
the dealer/mfr
to fix that, not FLAPS.  Bet it's not cheap!  (Might not even be possible.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-14 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, at 12:36, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

> I need to replace a load of LED spot bulbs I put in my kitchen 8-10yr 
> ago, most of them have burned out.  Probably the power supplies in them 
> as they tend to get dim or blink before finally failing.  The LED 
> emitters themselves are probably still OK but can't get any electrons to 
> turn into photons.  So much for "lifetime" bulbs.

It has been my experience that none of the CFL or LED bulbs I've been forced to 
buy over the last 5-10 years deliver a real-world service life any longer than 
incandescents. They may use less electricity, but they also cost 10x as much.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I agree, replace like with like, but in this case UHaul put them in a 
trailer and that caused the issue with the older vehicle.  I guess some 
sort of resistor or whatever would do the job but it would kinda defeat 
the LED aspect.


I need to replace a load of LED spot bulbs I put in my kitchen 8-10yr 
ago, most of them have burned out.  Probably the power supplies in them 
as they tend to get dim or blink before finally failing.  The LED 
emitters themselves are probably still OK but can't get any electrons to 
turn into photons.  So much for "lifetime" bulbs.


--FT

On 8/14/22 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I wonder why there are no adaptations from the [LED] bulb manufacturers for 
backwards compatibility.

Physics.  If you MUST draw X current in order to make the bulb nanny happy,
it has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is heat.  Which is diametrically
opposed to long life for the LED itself.

Just use incandescent bulbs.  They last a long time and are cheap, and easy
to replace when/if necessary.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer adapters

> put the necessary load on the circuits to “fool” the car into working with 
> the LEDs.

All you need are power resistors of near-bulb-total-load rating to burn the 
difference
as heat, and sufficient heat-sinking to not cause failure.  Anybody can make 
one of
these if they tried.

But power resistors are large, in metal finned cases.  If they were small, 
they'd get
hot.  Very hot.  Like, glowing white hot.  In which case you'd have to put them 
in an
evacuated envelope that can take the temperature.  Like glass.  And make them 
out
of something that can survive that temperature, like tungsten.  In which case 
you've
re-invented the incandescent light bulb.

Physics.  It will NOT be denied!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

> I wonder why there are no adaptations from the [LED] bulb manufacturers for 
> backwards compatibility. 

Physics.  If you MUST draw X current in order to make the bulb nanny happy,
it has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is heat.  Which is diametrically
opposed to long life for the LED itself.

Just use incandescent bulbs.  They last a long time and are cheap, and easy
to replace when/if necessary.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer adapters

2022-08-14 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

Rick,

That’s a straight adapter from 7 pin to 4/5 pin - I’ve got one. It does nothing 
to allow the car to work with LED trailer lights, that’s the issue. The “bulb 
out” feature of the car won’t play nice with LED trailer lights, so there’s got 
to be an adapter to put the necessary load on the circuits to “fool” the car 
into working with the LEDs.

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 10:50 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> Here’s an adapter I don’t think they are rare
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Super-repairman-Trailer-Adapters-Connector/dp/B08L3BTP9N/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1N9GKDD3K81ZY=4+wire+to+7+wire+trailer+adapter=1660445222=4+wire+to+%2Caps%2C154=8-2-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFFQTNEUldYTlJTVFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAyNzcyMDkxWDdCRkYyVVBHSDdKJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAxODQ3MjcxWVFWRDQ1QklYSkFMJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
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[MBZ] Trailer adapters

2022-08-13 Thread RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes

Folks

Here’s an adapter I don’t think they are rare

https://smile.amazon.com/Super-repairman-Trailer-Adapters-Connector/dp/B08L3BTP9N/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1N9GKDD3K81ZY=4+wire+to+7+wire+trailer+adapter=1660445222=4+wire+to+%2Caps%2C154=8-2-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFFQTNEUldYTlJTVFMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAyNzcyMDkxWDdCRkYyVVBHSDdKJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAxODQ3MjcxWVFWRDQ1QklYSkFMJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Interesting 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The real irony here is that the only place I’ve been able to find some sort 
> of adapter that converts from the 7 pin to 4 pin connector while also 
> accommodating LED trailer lights is at UHaul:
> 
> https://www.uhaul.com/MovingSupplies/Wiring-Lights/Adapters/LED-Light-Trailer-Module/?id=4089#
> 
> Even more ironic is that I found a broken link to this in the Banz Whirled 
> W164 forum. I’m swinging by my UHaul place tomorrow to get the one they have 
> in stock so I’ve got it on hand for the next time.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Good work!  You learned something with all that sweat and effort!
> 
> I think my CL has some LED replacement bulbs in the headlights. They work 
> fine but I get a whole bunch of warning messages on the instrument cluster. 
> Might be some in the taillights as well. I haven’t chased them down yet since 
> everything works but the nannies are Not Happy.
> 
> I guess newer cars have LEDs so the new replacements will work straightaway 
> but I wonder why there are no adaptations from the bulb manufacturers for 
> backwards compatibility.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:57 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Kudos to Jim for confirming the pull up voltage theory!
> 
> I believe there has been a comedy of errors that led to this situation:
> 
> 1.) The voltage at the 7 pin socket is a “pull up” voltage from the SAM and 
> won’t carry any current to speak of.
> 
> 2.) This voltage, while minimal, was enough to light the LEDs in the adapter 
> socket, which would explain why they were lit for the turn signals when the 
> signals weren’t on.
> 
> 3.) The UHaul trailer, despite what the lot guy told me, almost certainly had 
> LED lights.
> 
> 4.) The circuitry in the SAM has “lights out” functionality much like it does 
> for any other light on the body. This means it wouldn’t have played nice with 
> LEDs in the circuit unless there was a load resistor somewhere.
> 
> How did I confirm?
> 
> A tried and true and quite antiquated approach - an 1157 bulb as a test 
> light. When connected to the appropriate terminal on the 7 pin socket, would 
> light up and perform as expected for turn signal, brake light or running 
> lights.
> 
> So I burned maybe 90 minutes and five pounds of sweat chasing this down, but 
> now I have a better understanding of the system and discovered the location 
> of a number of different components on the car. And I got a full diagnostic 
> scan on it as well, showing almost 100% check marks, which is always nice.
> 
> I finished my time up with a good Martha’ing on the interior with the shop 
> vac, and even found a little bit of cruft in the cowl vents I had missed that 
> has now been vacuumed out.
> 
> Lesson learned. I need to find an adapter that will allow the use of LEDs in 
> the trailer harness. Time to play inside for the rest of the day and enjoy 
> the AC.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> The u haul trailer we rented a while back was all LED. Everyone I have seen 
> for a long time has been. Even with that it worked fine with our GL. I’m 
> wondering if someone installed the resistors or whatever is needed on mine to 
> make it work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM 
> drives it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we 
> still got nothing.
> 
> I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try that 
> on each terminal and see what happens.
> 
> Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer *did* 
> have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same reason as 
> above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and they said 
> no. Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit on the 
> adapter - it would only take a a few mA to drive them.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey 
> mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
> trailer brake and ground.)
> 
> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
> for
> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

The real irony here is that the only place I’ve been able to find some sort of
adapter that converts from the 7 pin to 4 pin connector while also
accommodating LED trailer lights is at UHaul:

https://www.uhaul.com/MovingSupplies/Wiring-Lights/Adapters/LED-Light-Trailer-Module/?id=4089#

Even more ironic is that I found a broken link to this in the Banz Whirled W164
forum. I’m swinging by my UHaul place tomorrow to get the one they have in
stock so I’ve got it on hand for the next time.

-D

On Aug 13, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Good work! You learned something with all that sweat and effort!

I think my CL has some LED replacement bulbs in the headlights. They work fine
but I get a whole bunch of warning messages on the instrument cluster. Might be
some in the taillights as well. I haven’t chased them down yet since everything
works but the nannies are Not Happy.

I guess newer cars have LEDs so the new replacements will work straightaway but
I wonder why there are no adaptations from the bulb manufacturers for backwards
compatibility.

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:57 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Kudos to Jim for confirming the pull up voltage theory!

I believe there has been a comedy of errors that led to this situation:

1.) The voltage at the 7 pin socket is a “pull up” voltage from the SAM and
won’t carry any current to speak of.

2.) This voltage, while minimal, was enough to light the LEDs in the adapter
socket, which would explain why they were lit for the turn signals when the
signals weren’t on.

3.) The UHaul trailer, despite what the lot guy told me, almost certainly had
LED lights.

4.) The circuitry in the SAM has “lights out” functionality much like it does
for any other light on the body. This means it wouldn’t have played nice with
LEDs in the circuit unless there was a load resistor somewhere.

How did I confirm?

A tried and true and quite antiquated approach - an 1157 bulb as a test light.
When connected to the appropriate terminal on the 7 pin socket, would light up
and perform as expected for turn signal, brake light or running lights.

So I burned maybe 90 minutes and five pounds of sweat chasing this down, but
now I have a better understanding of the system and discovered the location of
a number of different components on the car. And I got a full diagnostic scan
on it as well, showing almost 100% check marks, which is always nice.

I finished my time up with a good Martha’ing on the interior with the shop vac,
and even found a little bit of cruft in the cowl vents I had missed that has
now been vacuumed out.

Lesson learned. I need to find an adapter that will allow the use of LEDs in
the trailer harness. Time to play inside for the rest of the day and enjoy the
AC.

-D

On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

The u haul trailer we rented a while back was all LED. Everyone I have seen for
a long time has been. Even with that it worked fine with our GL. I’m wondering
if someone installed the resistors or whatever is needed on mine to make it
work.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM drives
it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we still got
nothing.

I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try that on
each terminal and see what happens.

Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer *did*
have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same reason as
above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and they said no.
Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit on the adapter -
it would only take a a few mA to drive them.

More as I know it.

-D

On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey
mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for
trailer brake and ground.)

Power? Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
(Zero current, essentially.) Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking for
the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550 - Bucket of Prop Wash/Snipe Hunt

2022-08-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Good work!  You learned something with all that sweat and effort!

I think my CL has some LED replacement bulbs in the headlights. They work fine 
but I get a whole bunch of warning messages on the instrument cluster. Might be 
some in the taillights as well. I haven’t chased them down yet since everything 
works but the nannies are Not Happy. 

I guess newer cars have LEDs so the new replacements will work straightaway but 
I wonder why there are no adaptations from the bulb manufacturers for backwards 
compatibility. 

--FT
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> On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:57 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kudos to Jim for confirming the pull up voltage theory!
> 
> I believe there has been a comedy of errors that led to this situation:
> 
> 1.) The voltage at the 7 pin socket is a “pull up” voltage from the SAM and 
> won’t carry any current to speak of.
> 
> 2.) This voltage, while minimal, was enough to light the LEDs in the adapter 
> socket, which would explain why they were lit for the turn signals when the 
> signals weren’t on.
> 
> 3.) The UHaul trailer, despite what the lot guy told me, almost certainly had 
> LED lights.
> 
> 4.) The circuitry in the SAM has “lights out” functionality much like it does 
> for any other light on the body. This means it wouldn’t have played nice with 
> LEDs in the circuit unless there was a load resistor somewhere.
> 
> How did I confirm?
> 
> A tried and true and quite antiquated approach - an 1157 bulb as a test 
> light. When connected to the appropriate terminal on the 7 pin socket, would 
> light up and perform as expected for turn signal, brake light or running 
> lights.
> 
> So I burned maybe 90 minutes and five pounds of sweat chasing this down, but 
> now I have a better understanding of the system and discovered the location 
> of a number of different components on the car. And I got a full diagnostic 
> scan on it as well, showing almost 100% check marks, which is always nice.
> 
> I finished my time up with a good Martha’ing on the interior with the shop 
> vac, and even found a little bit of cruft in the cowl vents I had missed that 
> has now been vacuumed out.
> 
> Lesson learned. I need to find an adapter that will allow the use of LEDs in 
> the trailer harness. Time to play inside for the rest of the day and enjoy 
> the AC.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The u haul trailer we rented a while back was all LED. Everyone I have seen 
>> for a long time has been. Even with that it worked fine with our GL. I’m 
>> wondering if someone installed the resistors or whatever is needed on mine 
>> to make it work. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM 
>>> drives it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we 
>>> still got nothing.
>>> 
>>> I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try 
>>> that on each terminal and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer 
>>> *did* have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same 
>>> reason as above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and 
>>> they said no. Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit 
>>> on the adapter - it would only take a a few mA to drive them.
>>> 
>>> More as I know it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
> trailer brake and ground.)
 
 Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
 (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, 
 looking for
 the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
 checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
 
 -- Jim
 
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Kudos to Jim for confirming the pull up voltage theory!

I believe there has been a comedy of errors that led to this situation:

1.) The voltage at the 7 pin socket is a “pull up” voltage from the SAM and 
won’t carry any current to speak of.

2.) This voltage, while minimal, was enough to light the LEDs in the adapter 
socket, which would explain why they were lit for the turn signals when the 
signals weren’t on.

3.) The UHaul trailer, despite what the lot guy told me, almost certainly had 
LED lights.

4.) The circuitry in the SAM has “lights out” functionality much like it does 
for any other light on the body. This means it wouldn’t have played nice with 
LEDs in the circuit unless there was a load resistor somewhere.

How did I confirm?

A tried and true and quite antiquated approach - an 1157 bulb as a test light. 
When connected to the appropriate terminal on the 7 pin socket, would light up 
and perform as expected for turn signal, brake light or running lights.

So I burned maybe 90 minutes and five pounds of sweat chasing this down, but 
now I have a better understanding of the system and discovered the location of 
a number of different components on the car. And I got a full diagnostic scan 
on it as well, showing almost 100% check marks, which is always nice.

I finished my time up with a good Martha’ing on the interior with the shop vac, 
and even found a little bit of cruft in the cowl vents I had missed that has 
now been vacuumed out.

Lesson learned. I need to find an adapter that will allow the use of LEDs in 
the trailer harness. Time to play inside for the rest of the day and enjoy the 
AC.

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The u haul trailer we rented a while back was all LED. Everyone I have seen 
> for a long time has been. Even with that it worked fine with our GL. I’m 
> wondering if someone installed the resistors or whatever is needed on mine to 
> make it work. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM 
>> drives it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we 
>> still got nothing.
>> 
>> I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try that 
>> on each terminal and see what happens.
>> 
>> Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer 
>> *did* have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same 
>> reason as above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and 
>> they said no. Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit 
>> on the adapter - it would only take a a few mA to drive them.
>> 
>> More as I know it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

 And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
 trailer brake and ground.)
>>> 
>>> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
>>> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
>>> for
>>> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
>>> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

The u haul trailer we rented a while back was all LED. Everyone I have seen for 
a long time has been. Even with that it worked fine with our GL. I’m wondering 
if someone installed the resistors or whatever is needed on mine to make it 
work. 

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> On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM 
> drives it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we 
> still got nothing.
> 
> I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try that 
> on each terminal and see what happens.
> 
> Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer *did* 
> have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same reason as 
> above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and they said 
> no. Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit on the 
> adapter - it would only take a a few mA to drive them.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
>>> trailer brake and ground.)
>> 
>> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
>> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
>> for
>> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
>> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Yes that could be. I know when I have hooked a trailer up to the GL it will say 
what certain bulbs are out on the trailer. 

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> On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
>> trailer brake and ground.)
> 
> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
> for
> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

Amen to that, in some cases like this one.

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, at 15:07, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
>> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
>> for
>> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
>> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
> 
> I miss the simple days when lights were just switches, fuses, wires, and 
> bulbs.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

Thanks for the insight, Jim, I was wondering this as well since the SAM drives 
it directly. However, when it was plugged into a “real” trailer we still got 
nothing.

I’ve got an 1157 lamp with some leads soldered to it - I’m going to try that on 
each terminal and see what happens.

Everything else has checked out. Now I’m wondering if the UHaul trailer *did* 
have LED lamps, as these do not work with this system for the same reason as 
above. I asked the UHaul guys if the trailer lamps were LEDs and they said no. 
Hmm. That would also explain why the diagnostic LEDs were lit on the adapter - 
it would only take a a few mA to drive them.

More as I know it.

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
>> trailer brake and ground.)
> 
> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
> for
> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, at 15:07, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
> (Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking 
> for
> the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
> checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.

I miss the simple days when lights were just switches, fuses, wires, and bulbs.


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

And, which standard?  The 'standard' socket on our X5 IIRC is NOT
the same as what's now found on the back of a US pickup truck.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
> trailer brake and ground.)

Power?  Or +12V measured with a multi-megohm input impedance meter?
(Zero current, essentially.)  Chances are it's got a pullup system, looking for
the load of bulbs to draw signals to ground so that the car can do lamp-out
checking, and trailer-plugged-in checking, etc.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

The 7pin should be a standard pin out (duh) as should the 4pin (duh). The issue 
seems to be in the adapter if you are getting proper power at the 7 socket on 
the car. Did you measure continuity on the adapter between the proper in<->out 
pins/sockets?  Or plug it in then work the lights, brakes, and turn signals?  
Do you know for sure the trailer works?

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> On Aug 13, 2022, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Just finished running a full set of diagnostics with SDS. I am confused.
> 
> Rear SAM controls the trailer (550) system. SDS recognizes the option. SAM 
> reports no codes/errors/faults. Power is at and through both fuses (70 & 71). 
> Relay KL checks out, but power at the fuses verifies that it’s working anyway.
> 
> When I go through the coding menu, I can code it as “trailer 
> coupling/non-folding” and it’s happy. Looking at the installed options code 
> 550 is listed. When I look in the diagnostic menu for showing the status of 
> the components and power at various points, it says “Not recognized” for the 
> trailer coupling.
> 
> And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
> trailer brake and ground.)
> 
> ?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm guessing it's the adaptor. For the past few years I've not trusted what 
>> I will get when buying on Amazon. I've been sent counterfeit, broken, or 
>> clearly returned/reboxed items more than once. I canceled my prime 
>> membership and haven't placed any orders there since about 2019.
>> 
>> I'd buy one locally at a trailer/camper dealer, and test it before you 
>> leave. A good shop would let you do this.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, at 13:45, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Results:
>>> 
>>> Power (+12VDC) is present on all of the terminals in the 7 pin socket 
>>> on the chassis except  for ground and electric braking system.
>>> 
>>> Fuse #70 is stil intact.
>>> 
>>> I’m going to put the SDS on it and see if there’s something that might 
>>> have occurred previously to blow the fuse and may need to be 
>>> cleared/reset.
>>> 
>>> More as I know it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 OK, I get that the W164 has an OE trailer wiring system - my ML550 has the 
 towing package option. Here’s my issue:

 The stock plug on the vehicle is a round, 7 pin connector, fairly common. 
 I got a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter from the Island of Large Wimmen so that I 
 could use a UHaul trailer today.

 The adapter has LEDS on it to show the condition of each circuit. They 
 were lit, but for some reason beyond my comprehension at the time I was 
 trying to get the trailer set up two of them were lit, meaning (more or 
 less) that the signals coming into the adapter were not *quite* right. 
 That, and when using brakes, turn signals or running lights, nothing 
 worked.

 I found 20A fuse #70, which is for the towing module/system, blown. I 
 replaced it and it didn’t blow a second time, but I still didn’t get the 
 proper signals out of the adapter.

 At this point, pre-diagnostics since I just got things home, I’m going to 
 assume the adapter ain’t right. I’ve also got to find a pinout diagram for 
 the socket on the car to see what is what and check for the proper signals 
 there.

 I’m guessing the adapter is the culprit.

 While I’m making assumptions, I presume I should be getting straight 12VDC 
 signals for each light circuit out of the 7 pin socket on the chassis, 
 correct? I see where a lot of people have had to use adapters for “light 
 out” or LED systems to make things right, but the UHaul trailer was a 
 straight incandescent lamp setup.

 I’m pulling it into the garage in a bit to do some troubleshooting. Lucky 
 for me, the UHaul guys let me take the trailer as-is because they didn’t 
 have a 20A blade fuse in their shop (this is a company store with a big 
 hitch installation shop, really??) and I just drove it that way. It was a 
 4x8 trailer, so my taillights were clearly visible even when I had it 
 loaded, so no biggie.

 More as I know it.

 -D
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

Nope.

Just finished running a full set of diagnostics with SDS. I am confused.

Rear SAM controls the trailer (550) system. SDS recognizes the option. SAM 
reports no codes/errors/faults. Power is at and through both fuses (70 & 71). 
Relay KL checks out, but power at the fuses verifies that it’s working anyway.

When I go through the coding menu, I can code it as “trailer 
coupling/non-folding” and it’s happy. Looking at the installed options code 550 
is listed. When I look in the diagnostic menu for showing the status of the 
components and power at various points, it says “Not recognized” for the 
trailer coupling.

And there is still power to all terminals at the 7 pin socket (except for 
trailer brake and ground.)

?

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm guessing it's the adaptor. For the past few years I've not trusted what I 
> will get when buying on Amazon. I've been sent counterfeit, broken, or 
> clearly returned/reboxed items more than once. I canceled my prime membership 
> and haven't placed any orders there since about 2019.
> 
> I'd buy one locally at a trailer/camper dealer, and test it before you leave. 
> A good shop would let you do this.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, at 13:45, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Results:
>> 
>> Power (+12VDC) is present on all of the terminals in the 7 pin socket 
>> on the chassis except  for ground and electric braking system.
>> 
>> Fuse #70 is stil intact.
>> 
>> I’m going to put the SDS on it and see if there’s something that might 
>> have occurred previously to blow the fuse and may need to be 
>> cleared/reset.
>> 
>> More as I know it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I get that the W164 has an OE trailer wiring system - my ML550 has the 
>>> towing package option. Here’s my issue:
>>> 
>>> The stock plug on the vehicle is a round, 7 pin connector, fairly common. I 
>>> got a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter from the Island of Large Wimmen so that I 
>>> could use a UHaul trailer today.
>>> 
>>> The adapter has LEDS on it to show the condition of each circuit. They were 
>>> lit, but for some reason beyond my comprehension at the time I was trying 
>>> to get the trailer set up two of them were lit, meaning (more or less) that 
>>> the signals coming into the adapter were not *quite* right. That, and when 
>>> using brakes, turn signals or running lights, nothing worked.
>>> 
>>> I found 20A fuse #70, which is for the towing module/system, blown. I 
>>> replaced it and it didn’t blow a second time, but I still didn’t get the 
>>> proper signals out of the adapter.
>>> 
>>> At this point, pre-diagnostics since I just got things home, I’m going to 
>>> assume the adapter ain’t right. I’ve also got to find a pinout diagram for 
>>> the socket on the car to see what is what and check for the proper signals 
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> I’m guessing the adapter is the culprit.
>>> 
>>> While I’m making assumptions, I presume I should be getting straight 12VDC 
>>> signals for each light circuit out of the 7 pin socket on the chassis, 
>>> correct? I see where a lot of people have had to use adapters for “light 
>>> out” or LED systems to make things right, but the UHaul trailer was a 
>>> straight incandescent lamp setup.
>>> 
>>> I’m pulling it into the garage in a bit to do some troubleshooting. Lucky 
>>> for me, the UHaul guys let me take the trailer as-is because they didn’t 
>>> have a 20A blade fuse in their shop (this is a company store with a big 
>>> hitch installation shop, really??) and I just drove it that way. It was a 
>>> 4x8 trailer, so my taillights were clearly visible even when I had it 
>>> loaded, so no biggie.
>>> 
>>> More as I know it.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

2022-08-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

I'm guessing it's the adaptor. For the past few years I've not trusted what I 
will get when buying on Amazon. I've been sent counterfeit, broken, or clearly 
returned/reboxed items more than once. I canceled my prime membership and 
haven't placed any orders there since about 2019.

I'd buy one locally at a trailer/camper dealer, and test it before you leave. A 
good shop would let you do this.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, at 13:45, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Results:
>
> Power (+12VDC) is present on all of the terminals in the 7 pin socket 
> on the chassis except  for ground and electric braking system.
>
> Fuse #70 is stil intact.
>
> I’m going to put the SDS on it and see if there’s something that might 
> have occurred previously to blow the fuse and may need to be 
> cleared/reset.
>
> More as I know it.
>
> -D
>
>> On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I get that the W164 has an OE trailer wiring system - my ML550 has the 
>> towing package option. Here’s my issue:
>> 
>> The stock plug on the vehicle is a round, 7 pin connector, fairly common. I 
>> got a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter from the Island of Large Wimmen so that I could 
>> use a UHaul trailer today.
>> 
>> The adapter has LEDS on it to show the condition of each circuit. They were 
>> lit, but for some reason beyond my comprehension at the time I was trying to 
>> get the trailer set up two of them were lit, meaning (more or less) that the 
>> signals coming into the adapter were not *quite* right. That, and when using 
>> brakes, turn signals or running lights, nothing worked.
>> 
>> I found 20A fuse #70, which is for the towing module/system, blown. I 
>> replaced it and it didn’t blow a second time, but I still didn’t get the 
>> proper signals out of the adapter.
>> 
>> At this point, pre-diagnostics since I just got things home, I’m going to 
>> assume the adapter ain’t right. I’ve also got to find a pinout diagram for 
>> the socket on the car to see what is what and check for the proper signals 
>> there.
>> 
>> I’m guessing the adapter is the culprit.
>> 
>> While I’m making assumptions, I presume I should be getting straight 12VDC 
>> signals for each light circuit out of the 7 pin socket on the chassis, 
>> correct? I see where a lot of people have had to use adapters for “light 
>> out” or LED systems to make things right, but the UHaul trailer was a 
>> straight incandescent lamp setup.
>> 
>> I’m pulling it into the garage in a bit to do some troubleshooting. Lucky 
>> for me, the UHaul guys let me take the trailer as-is because they didn’t 
>> have a 20A blade fuse in their shop (this is a company store with a big 
>> hitch installation shop, really??) and I just drove it that way. It was a 
>> 4x8 trailer, so my taillights were clearly visible even when I had it 
>> loaded, so no biggie.
>> 
>> More as I know it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

Results:

Power (+12VDC) is present on all of the terminals in the 7 pin socket on the 
chassis except  for ground and electric braking system.

Fuse #70 is stil intact.

I’m going to put the SDS on it and see if there’s something that might have 
occurred previously to blow the fuse and may need to be cleared/reset.

More as I know it.

-D

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 1:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, I get that the W164 has an OE trailer wiring system - my ML550 has the 
> towing package option. Here’s my issue:
> 
> The stock plug on the vehicle is a round, 7 pin connector, fairly common. I 
> got a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter from the Island of Large Wimmen so that I could 
> use a UHaul trailer today.
> 
> The adapter has LEDS on it to show the condition of each circuit. They were 
> lit, but for some reason beyond my comprehension at the time I was trying to 
> get the trailer set up two of them were lit, meaning (more or less) that the 
> signals coming into the adapter were not *quite* right. That, and when using 
> brakes, turn signals or running lights, nothing worked.
> 
> I found 20A fuse #70, which is for the towing module/system, blown. I 
> replaced it and it didn’t blow a second time, but I still didn’t get the 
> proper signals out of the adapter.
> 
> At this point, pre-diagnostics since I just got things home, I’m going to 
> assume the adapter ain’t right. I’ve also got to find a pinout diagram for 
> the socket on the car to see what is what and check for the proper signals 
> there.
> 
> I’m guessing the adapter is the culprit.
> 
> While I’m making assumptions, I presume I should be getting straight 12VDC 
> signals for each light circuit out of the 7 pin socket on the chassis, 
> correct? I see where a lot of people have had to use adapters for “light out” 
> or LED systems to make things right, but the UHaul trailer was a straight 
> incandescent lamp setup.
> 
> I’m pulling it into the garage in a bit to do some troubleshooting. Lucky for 
> me, the UHaul guys let me take the trailer as-is because they didn’t have a 
> 20A blade fuse in their shop (this is a company store with a big hitch 
> installation shop, really??) and I just drove it that way. It was a 4x8 
> trailer, so my taillights were clearly visible even when I had it loaded, so 
> no biggie.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
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[MBZ] Trailer Wiring Confusion - ML550

OK, I get that the W164 has an OE trailer wiring system - my ML550 has the 
towing package option. Here’s my issue:

The stock plug on the vehicle is a round, 7 pin connector, fairly common. I got 
a 4 pin to 7 pin adapter from the Island of Large Wimmen so that I could use a 
UHaul trailer today.

The adapter has LEDS on it to show the condition of each circuit. They were 
lit, but for some reason beyond my comprehension at the time I was trying to 
get the trailer set up two of them were lit, meaning (more or less) that the 
signals coming into the adapter were not *quite* right. That, and when using 
brakes, turn signals or running lights, nothing worked.

I found 20A fuse #70, which is for the towing module/system, blown. I replaced 
it and it didn’t blow a second time, but I still didn’t get the proper signals 
out of the adapter.

At this point, pre-diagnostics since I just got things home, I’m going to 
assume the adapter ain’t right. I’ve also got to find a pinout diagram for the 
socket on the car to see what is what and check for the proper signals there.

I’m guessing the adapter is the culprit.

While I’m making assumptions, I presume I should be getting straight 12VDC 
signals for each light circuit out of the 7 pin socket on the chassis, correct? 
I see where a lot of people have had to use adapters for “light out” or LED 
systems to make things right, but the UHaul trailer was a straight incandescent 
lamp setup.

I’m pulling it into the garage in a bit to do some troubleshooting. Lucky for 
me, the UHaul guys let me take the trailer as-is because they didn’t have a 20A 
blade fuse in their shop (this is a company store with a big hitch installation 
shop, really??) and I just drove it that way. It was a 4x8 trailer, so my 
taillights were clearly visible even when I had it loaded, so no biggie.

More as I know it.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 You remind me, the snowmobile club has a bridge that needs to be re-decked. 
The lumber came for it on Saturday: https://photos.app.goo.gl/eSu9FV537EcatnBf6
55x 6"x8"x12' they weigh 140# each. They were delivered in a dump trailer, we 
had to transfer them to a flatbed that the club owns. Most of it was hand work. 
Sunday I could barely flex my fingers...
-Curt

On Sunday, October 31, 2021, 04:43:14 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I hauled my daughters 95E320 back yesterday and when we were loading it the 
trailer deck gave way. I have replacement decking but have just not replaced it 
yet. So now I am. 

I took off the old deck, mostly rotted. Hit the frame with the pressure washer 
and got it pretty clean. 

I’ve had the trailer for 10-11yr I guess, and it was used probably a couple 
more years old, so it has served well. It is starting to rust so I figure while 
I have the deck off I’ll paint it. I’m thinking to hit the rusty spots with POR 
as going at it with wire wheel would be a huge effort on all that channel iron 
and such.  I might hit a few spots with the wheel that are easy to reach.  Then 
some rust oleum on that. 

I was thinking to put deck stain on the PT wood, mix in a little sand for 
better traction. 

Is that a good plan?

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

Thanks for that clarification, Jim. Yes, white oak, not red.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes I was thinking about oak as it does hold up well.
> 
> _White_ oak, not red.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> Yes I was thinking about oak as it does hold up well.

_White_ oak, not red.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Yes I was thinking about oak as it does hold up well. If I had some trees to 
mill I would get some lumber cut but it is wicked expensive otherwise 

--FT
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> On Oct 31, 2021, at 7:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do what I did for a 2 ton Ford flatbed truck we had at a former business:
> 
> Get some 5/4 or thicker oak and let is be newly cut (wet) or soak it in 
> water. Cut it to fit the bed and bolt it down, then let it dry. Once it’s 
> dried (and shrunk a bit) soak it with paint or a good water sealer, like 
> Wesley’s.
> 
> I did that to the truck bed on the aforementioned truck in 1982. In 2008 it 
> was still in service and in great shape.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> PT wood is weaker than untreated.  Untreated wood, properly cared for,
>> could perhaps last longer.  Frequent painting, a trailer should air-dry 
>> easily.
>> Water is the killer.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes

Do what I did for a 2 ton Ford flatbed truck we had at a former business:

Get some 5/4 or thicker oak and let is be newly cut (wet) or soak it in water. 
Cut it to fit the bed and bolt it down, then let it dry. Once it’s dried (and 
shrunk a bit) soak it with paint or a good water sealer, like Wesley’s.

I did that to the truck bed on the aforementioned truck in 1982. In 2008 it was 
still in service and in great shape.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> PT wood is weaker than untreated.  Untreated wood, properly cared for,
> could perhaps last longer.  Frequent painting, a trailer should air-dry 
> easily.
> Water is the killer.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

PT wood is weaker than untreated.  Untreated wood, properly cared for,
could perhaps last longer.  Frequent painting, a trailer should air-dry easily.
Water is the killer.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Trailer reno

2021-10-31 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I hauled my daughters 95E320 back yesterday and when we were loading it the 
trailer deck gave way. I have replacement decking but have just not replaced it 
yet. So now I am. 

I took off the old deck, mostly rotted. Hit the frame with the pressure washer 
and got it pretty clean. 

I’ve had the trailer for 10-11yr I guess, and it was used probably a couple 
more years old, so it has served well. It is starting to rust so I figure while 
I have the deck off I’ll paint it. I’m thinking to hit the rusty spots with POR 
as going at it with wire wheel would be a huge effort on all that channel iron 
and such.  I might hit a few spots with the wheel that are easy to reach.  Then 
some rust oleum on that. 

I was thinking to put deck stain on the PT wood, mix in a little sand for 
better traction. 

Is that a good plan?

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > Dan  wrote:
> >
> > Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the
> > ball?

Nope.  No standard height.  But my experience is that 14 to 20
inches [35 to 50 cm] from the ground to the top of the ball is the
most likely range.  And I prefer the ball a bit high more often
than I want it low.

> Craig wrote:
> 
> Your go to resource for all things related to this is
> etrailer.com.

I like ETrailer - good info, text transcriptions of their
information videos, real information on their product - sometimes
more than the manufacturers websit, helpful people,  and if you
happen to be near St. Louis MO, the have a will-call desk.   They
don't always have what I need, but I do try to take my business to
them first.

1-7/8, 2, and 2-5/16 are the ball sizes.  U-Haul uses only 2", I'm
pretty sure.  2 inch balls can be rated for quite a range in load
capacity, so be sure to get one "big" enough for your loads.

Also make sure the ball shank/bolt diameter matches the hole in
the ball mount. There are bushings to allow mounting in a hole
that's too big.  I think shank sizes vary from 5/8" to 1.5".

Something like this can be mounted either way so it has a bit of a
of a drop or a very slight rise.
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts/Curt/D-4.html

Here is a kit with ball, mount, pin, etc.
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts/Curt/C45534.html

I like putting a rubber cap over the ball for storage 'cause I
always keep the ball well greased.
https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Tow-Ready/42250.html

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:53:51 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> > Your go to resource for all things related to this is etrailer.com.
> >
> > They have guides and product selectors to help.
> 
> Agreed, they are good.

Thank you, Allan, for the confirmation.


> They also supplied a wiring harness that plugged in to the factory
> taillight connectors, so no cutting/splicing wires, and it has an
> independent power source so the car's electronics are unaffected.

I was thinking of mentioning these after I sent my previous message.

They have a LOT of other stuff related to trailers, too.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



> On July 11, 2019 at 2:54 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> IIRC, etrailer.com has sleeves which will allow you to use an item meant
> for a less than 2" receiver in a 2" receiver.

But then you're stuck with a 3500lb ball mount in a 2" hitch. 
But you get the smooth euro ball look. 
It also hurts slightly less when you stub your knee on it.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was going to recommend a Curt Euroball, even going to offer you one
> of mine, but Curt only makes Euroballs for 1 1/4".

That's a 1-1/4" receiver, not a 1-1/4" ball.


> Euroball, anybody want one of these for $15 plus postage?
> https://www.amazon.com/CURT-45572-Euro-Mount-Ball/dp/B003B3GX5E

IIRC, etrailer.com has sleeves which will allow you to use an item meant
for a less than 2" receiver in a 2" receiver.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

> Your go to resource for all things related to this is etrailer.com.
>
> They have guides and product selectors to help.

Agreed, they are good. I bought a hitch for my Volvo from them, bolted
right up with no issues. Perfect fit. They also supplied a wiring
harness that plugged in to the factory taillight connectors, so no
cutting/splicing wires, and it has an independent power source so the
car's electronics are unaffected.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On July 11, 2019 at 12:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:

> https://www.amazon.com/DRAW-TITE-2923-Class-Mount/dp/B001O07P9E 

That works, or if you want flexibility this is a bit uglier and a bit more 
costly:
https://www.amazon.com/MaxxHaul-70067-8-Position-Adjustable-Mount/dp/B008CE06ZA

If you don't already have the ball you might as well buy a full set, mounted 
ball and hitch pin. 

This is about the cheapest I know of today:
https://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/automotive/towing-cargo-management/trailer-hitches-balls/towsmart-reg-class-iii-standard-ball-mount-starter-kit-w-2-ball/1228/p-147118397-c-1527167451361.htm

This is $24.47 at both Wally World and large wimmen world, and I believe it's 
made in USA.
I was going to recommend a Curt Euroball, even going to offer you one of mine, 
but Curt only makes Euroballs for 1 1/4".
https://www.amazon.com/CURT-45056-Loaded-Ball-Mount/dp/B001EOYK98

Euroball, anybody want one of these for $15 plus postage?
https://www.amazon.com/CURT-45572-Euro-Mount-Ball/dp/B003B3GX5E

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


OR

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=adjustable+ball+mount=nb_sb_noss_2


On 11/07/2019 12:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

2" ball is pretty much the go-to if you don't have better information.
So far as drop goes, it totally depends on the trailer and how it's built.
If you have a most-likely trailer, go measure it and then figure out how
much drop to buy.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:09:43 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s
> hitch. It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go
> about figuring out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the
> dimensions. Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the
> ball?
> 
> I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental
> from UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)

Your go to resource for all things related to this is etrailer.com.

They have guides and product selectors to help.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Fred and I rented a tow dolly for my '98 Jetta that we pulled with my '03 
Ranger. It vibrated badly if we went over 65mph. Turns out the tow dolly wanted 
a 2" ball, the Ranger had a 1 7/8" (I think thats the next size down) ball.
Oops. Probably was also a problem when I was towing the '84 190D but on that 
tow the weather was bad so I never wanted to go faster than 60mph anyway...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 12:40:11 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 2 inch ball was required by all the trailers I've rented from U-haul.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have some straight (well they have a bit of drop, maybe an inch but
> the ball is pretty much in line with the receiver) mounts with 2
> different size balls I use on the trucks, can switch them depending on
> what I need.  Standard ball is 2", i have this little boat trailer I
> turned into a kayak rack trailer, it is 1 7/8" so I have one with that
> ball on it.  The ML hitch is fairly high, so this "straight" ball holder
> should work fine.  The guys with brodozer trucks might need a few inches
> drop on the ball mount.
>
> You can buy those ball holders that have 3 different sizes, you just
> rotate to get the one you need.  That might be worthwhile to get if you
> think you might ever need to pull some other kind of trailer with a
> different size cup.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/11/19 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s
> hitch. It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go
> about figuring out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions.
> Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?
> >
> > I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental
> from UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

That's pretty much what I have, it's the kinda standard setup. Remember 
too that the back end will sag a bit with a load on it


--FT

On 7/11/19 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, guys. I’m pretty well set on a 2” ball, that I know. I was more 
concerned about the drop for the ball mount.

I was looking through the ML forum on BW and a couple of people have posted 
there about their hitch setups. Looks like most are using this:

https://www.amazon.com/DRAW-TITE-2923-Class-Mount/dp/B001O07P9E 


This has a 2” drop, which is probably more than enough for the ML considering 
the bumper height.

??

-D




On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

2 inch ball was required by all the trailers I've rented from U-haul.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I have some straight (well they have a bit of drop, maybe an inch but
the ball is pretty much in line with the receiver) mounts with 2
different size balls I use on the trucks, can switch them depending on
what I need.  Standard ball is 2", i have this little boat trailer I
turned into a kayak rack trailer, it is 1 7/8" so I have one with that
ball on it.  The ML hitch is fairly high, so this "straight" ball holder
should work fine.  The guys with brodozer trucks might need a few inches
drop on the ball mount.

You can buy those ball holders that have 3 different sizes, you just
rotate to get the one you need.  That might be worthwhile to get if you
think you might ever need to pull some other kind of trailer with a
different size cup.

--FT

On 7/11/19 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s

hitch. It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go
about figuring out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions.
Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?

I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental

from UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)

Thanks,

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

2" ball is pretty much the go-to if you don't have better information.
So far as drop goes, it totally depends on the trailer and how it's built.
If you have a most-likely trailer, go measure it and then figure out how
much drop to buy.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Thanks, guys. I’m pretty well set on a 2” ball, that I know. I was more 
concerned about the drop for the ball mount.

I was looking through the ML forum on BW and a couple of people have posted 
there about their hitch setups. Looks like most are using this:

https://www.amazon.com/DRAW-TITE-2923-Class-Mount/dp/B001O07P9E 


This has a 2” drop, which is probably more than enough for the ML considering 
the bumper height.

??

-D



> On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 2 inch ball was required by all the trailers I've rented from U-haul.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have some straight (well they have a bit of drop, maybe an inch but
>> the ball is pretty much in line with the receiver) mounts with 2
>> different size balls I use on the trucks, can switch them depending on
>> what I need.  Standard ball is 2", i have this little boat trailer I
>> turned into a kayak rack trailer, it is 1 7/8" so I have one with that
>> ball on it.  The ML hitch is fairly high, so this "straight" ball holder
>> should work fine.  The guys with brodozer trucks might need a few inches
>> drop on the ball mount.
>> 
>> You can buy those ball holders that have 3 different sizes, you just
>> rotate to get the one you need.  That might be worthwhile to get if you
>> think you might ever need to pull some other kind of trailer with a
>> different size cup.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 7/11/19 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s
>> hitch. It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go
>> about figuring out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions.
>> Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?
>>> 
>>> I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental
>> from UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

2 inch ball was required by all the trailers I've rented from U-haul.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have some straight (well they have a bit of drop, maybe an inch but
> the ball is pretty much in line with the receiver) mounts with 2
> different size balls I use on the trucks, can switch them depending on
> what I need.  Standard ball is 2", i have this little boat trailer I
> turned into a kayak rack trailer, it is 1 7/8" so I have one with that
> ball on it.  The ML hitch is fairly high, so this "straight" ball holder
> should work fine.  The guys with brodozer trucks might need a few inches
> drop on the ball mount.
>
> You can buy those ball holders that have 3 different sizes, you just
> rotate to get the one you need.  That might be worthwhile to get if you
> think you might ever need to pull some other kind of trailer with a
> different size cup.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/11/19 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s
> hitch. It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go
> about figuring out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions.
> Is there a standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?
> >
> > I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental
> from UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I have some straight (well they have a bit of drop, maybe an inch but 
the ball is pretty much in line with the receiver) mounts with 2 
different size balls I use on the trucks, can switch them depending on 
what I need.  Standard ball is 2", i have this little boat trailer I 
turned into a kayak rack trailer, it is 1 7/8" so I have one with that 
ball on it.  The ML hitch is fairly high, so this "straight" ball holder 
should work fine.  The guys with brodozer trucks might need a few inches 
drop on the ball mount.


You can buy those ball holders that have 3 different sizes, you just 
rotate to get the one you need.  That might be worthwhile to get if you 
think you might ever need to pull some other kind of trailer with a 
different size cup.


--FT

On 7/11/19 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s hitch. 
It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go about figuring 
out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions. Is there a 
standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?

I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental from 
UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)

Thanks,

-D



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[MBZ] Trailer Hitch Ball Mount

2019-07-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I’m trying to figure out what kind of ball mount to get for the ML500’s hitch. 
It’s got a 2” receiver, but I’m not sure exactly how I should go about figuring 
out what kind of ball mount I should get, or the dimensions. Is there a 
standard height I should try to achieve with the ball?

I don’t have a trailer, and if I use one, it will probably be a rental from 
UHaul (gotta haul an old MG, right?)

Thanks,

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Trailer

2019-03-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Nope

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you loose you’re nuts?
> 
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> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  writes:
>> 
>>> I just stopped at a rest stop to check things out. The lug nuts on the
>>> axle they replaced were not exactly tight. Tightened those up.
>> 
>> This seems to be a frequent problem. Got new tires on the Frontier last
>> fall, about a day later while driving I got a bad vibration in
>> turns. Pulled over and found lug nuts loose on driver's side front
>> wheel. They had probably never been more than hand-tight, don't know if
>> they can back off but seemed that they had since it took about a day for
>> the problem to become noticable.
>> 
>> This happened to me once before on a different car, rear passenger wheel
>> that time.
>> 
>> I now always check lug nuts any time any shop has had the wheels off.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer

2019-03-15 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Did you loose you’re nuts?

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  writes:
> 
>> I just stopped at a rest stop to check things out. The lug nuts on the
>> axle they replaced were not exactly tight. Tightened those up.
> 
> This seems to be a frequent problem. Got new tires on the Frontier last
> fall, about a day later while driving I got a bad vibration in
> turns. Pulled over and found lug nuts loose on driver's side front
> wheel. They had probably never been more than hand-tight, don't know if
> they can back off but seemed that they had since it took about a day for
> the problem to become noticable.
> 
> This happened to me once before on a different car, rear passenger wheel
> that time.
> 
> I now always check lug nuts any time any shop has had the wheels off.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer

2019-03-15 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  writes:

> I just stopped at a rest stop to check things out. The lug nuts on the
> axle they replaced were not exactly tight. Tightened those up.

This seems to be a frequent problem. Got new tires on the Frontier last
fall, about a day later while driving I got a bad vibration in
turns. Pulled over and found lug nuts loose on driver's side front
wheel. They had probably never been more than hand-tight, don't know if
they can back off but seemed that they had since it took about a day for
the problem to become noticable.

This happened to me once before on a different car, rear passenger wheel
that time.

I now always check lug nuts any time any shop has had the wheels off.

Allan

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[MBZ] Trailer

2019-03-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I just stopped at a rest stop to check things out. The lug nuts on the axle 
they replaced were not exactly tight. Tightened those up. Also one of the dust 
caps is now missing, must have bounced off somewhere. This is one of those 
axles with the grease fittings so the grease is up inside it I guess. I still 
want to replace that at the next opportunity. This is the type with the rubber 
insert in the end you remove to stick the grease gun on the fitting.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer update

2019-03-15 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:38:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I just went ahead and let the trailer place replace the axle so I don’t
> have to mess with it. They are finishing it up now but there was also
> an equalizer on the passenger side that was about worn in half so they
> are replacing that as well. Should be back in the road shortly. 

Sometimes "biting the bullet" and having it done is the best way.

We all, however, are inclined to do it ourselves the cheap way, so having
it done is galling.


Craig

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[MBZ] Trailer update

2019-03-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I just went ahead and let the trailer place replace the axle so I don’t have to 
mess with it. They are finishing it up now but there was also an equalizer on 
the passenger side that was about worn in half so they are replacing that as 
well. Should be back in the road shortly. 

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> And if the pavement wasn't as level as you thought, you'd need to be
> prepared to swing the dolly sideways fast to stop it. 

Good point. The trailer with our 1200 lb. Chevette-powered genset handles
nicely on the floor of the Big Room, but, as you point out, the floor is
level.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

The Deputy Fife types get tangle-panty when I drive Polei.   They try to 
explain I can not drive the car, either for looking like a cop car (Falls under 
“collectible vehicle” definition), being out of date plates (restored YOM),no 
insurance (collector cars do not require, (so I choose not to show that it is), 
not being in a parade, for being in his town, that it may be my only vehicle, 
he does not like my passenger (my MOM!) or any other thing he can pull from his 
shorts.

I share with them the Revised Code or Administrative Code, chapter and verse 
from a booklet I keep updated with most recent amendments.  They do not like 
being made to look fools, but can not issue a citation, because the law is 
against them.  Reconciled in 2010 to clarify the 1996 findings that cops should 
not harass people in classic cars unless there is an actual traffic infraction.

clay monroe
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> On Nov 3, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
> What kind of statutes are you quoting?
> 
> 
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Craig - I like the idea of talking with your state elected representatives.  If 
they are also a lawyer, that will help.
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I don't think I'd like to hand dolly the loaded utility trailer around if it 
weighs as much as a W124. And if the pavement wasn't as level as you thought, 
you'd need to be prepared to swing the dolly sideways fast to stop it. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 15:34:22 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I have found that presenting the statutes to the administrative minion
> tends to resolve the misunderstandings and errors made by the Barney
> Fifes.

I quoted the statutes regarding the commercial licensing of a vehicle
over 26,000 lbs to the administrative minions of the New Mexico Motor
Vehicle Department to no effect. I even drove to Santa Fe and went to
their main office.

Their own procedures manual clearly says a vehicle has to be used in
commerce to require a commercial license, but they weren't buying it. I
now have to figure out how to get them to pay attention. I have talked
with the New Mexico Transportation Police, who talked with them to no
effect. I have also considered talking with a state representative or the
Governor, or with the Owner Operator Independent Driver Association to
have them provide advice or thump the requisite administrative minions.

> I quite enjoy quoting the statutes to the cop while he is fishing for
> something else to try to catch me on.  Then inquire if he really wants
> to waste the courts' time with his persistent flinging of noodles upon
> the wall.  They get peeved, but do tuck tail and waddle back to the
> cruiser to turn off the lights and leave.

What kind of statutes are you quoting?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

I have found that presenting the statutes to the administrative minion tends to 
resolve the misunderstandings and errors made by the Barney Fifes.   A person 
does need to fess up when they were in the wrong.  I quite enjoy quoting the 
statutes to the cop while he is fishing for something else to try to catch me 
on.  Then inquire if he really wants to waste the courts' time with his 
persistent flinging of noodles upon the wall.  They get peeved, but do tuck 
tail and waddle back to the cruiser to turn off the lights and leave.

clay monroe
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> On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 3, 2018 at 5:10 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> (unless you encounter a "Judge" like I did a 
>> few times;  "If you weren't guilty, they would not have given you a 
>> ticket!" )
> 
> Civil infractions are more like a tax collection system. 
> You don't have a right to a jury, and instead of proof beyond a reasonable 
> doubt, it's preponderance (51%) of the evidence. And if a trained law 
> enforcement professional says you're guilty, that's 90% right there...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I love the BBC tv series  "The Irish RM"   Its set in about 1905-10 in 
western Ireland.   The english Royal Magistrate  (Civil Judge) gets all 
kinds of games played on him by the locals, because he does not know the 
culture and slang.


The locals see the whole thing as a game, and as a collection system for 
the crown, so they cheer for jail time and jeer for a fine.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Civil infractions are more like a tax collection system.
You don't have a right to a jury, and instead of proof beyond a reasonable 
doubt, it's preponderance (51%) of the evidence. And if a trained law 
enforcement professional says you're guilty, that's 90% right there...

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On November 3, 2018 at 5:10 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>  (unless you encounter a "Judge" like I did a 
> few times;  "If you weren't guilty, they would not have given you a 
> ticket!" )

Civil infractions are more like a tax collection system. 
You don't have a right to a jury, and instead of proof beyond a reasonable 
doubt, it's preponderance (51%) of the evidence. And if a trained law 
enforcement professional says you're guilty, that's 90% right there...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes





fmiser via Mercedes wrote:



Yes.  If it's a commercial vehicle driven commercially, it falls
under FMCSR regulations.  If it's private, not-for-hire,
non-commercial then maybe not.  I'm not going to guess at the
boundary - a commercial vehicle driven by the owner for
non-commercial duties and the like...

THe Bluejackets (DOT enforcement) tend to get pissy about driving a 
truck over 1 ton rating and claiming it is non-commercial.   They tend 
to write the ticket first, and let the judge collect the money, unless 
the victim is prepared to spend money at court, in which case they 
probably will prevail(unless you encounter a "Judge" like I did a 
few times;  "If you weren't guilty, they would not have given you a 
ticket!" )

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-03 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes


Only when you plan to back up!

Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



When towing a car sized utility trailer behind a 51' furniture van behind a 
W900 Kenworth, does it matter?




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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > fmiser wrote:
>  
> > Are you planning on towing doubles/triples commercially?

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> When towing a car sized utility trailer behind a 51' furniture
> van behind a W900 Kenworth, does it matter?

Yes.  If it's a commercial vehicle driven commercially, it falls
under FMCSR regulations.  If it's private, not-for-hire,
non-commercial then maybe not.  I'm not going to guess at the
boundary - a commercial vehicle driven by the owner for
non-commercial duties and the like...

Weight and length limits still apply, but last I checked, there
are no license restrictions if it's non-commercial.  Which is why
an RV with air-brakes, and double trailers can be driven with an
"plain" license without a log book or hour-of-service
restrictions.  Hmm, I'm thinking maybe MI has some big RV license
thing...

I'm pretty sure all states (maybe not HI) allow commercial
doubles.  But many states don't allow non-commercial doubles.

Many states allow commercial triples - but very few states (seems
I saw at least one - maybe) allow non-commercial triple trailers.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 04:14:33 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> These states allow triple towing:
>
> 
> https://rv-roadtrips.thefuntimesguide.com/triple_towing/

They have a different definition for triple towing. In the big truck
world it is a tractor towing three trailers. Doubles is a tractor towing
two trailers.

In any event, I have started letters to each state through which we will
pass in getting to North Carolina asking if my combination is permitted.
I think the problem will be the overall length, which will be 84' 9".
They may permit me to do that with an oversize permit.

In looking at the website you referenced, Gerry, I found a link to:

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/vehicle

which has a list of makes, each of which has a listing for the Gross
Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) of each model of vehicle. That will be
helpful.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 01:21:02 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > > Mitch wrote:
> > >
> > > Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?
> 
> > Craig wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, but I have it.
> 
> Are you planning on towing doubles/triples commercially?

Not at the present time, but I will have that option.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



> On November 2, 2018 at 2:21 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
> Are you planning on towing doubles/triples commercially?

When towing a car sized utility trailer behind a 51' furniture van behind a 
W900 Kenworth, does it matter?

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

These states allow triple towing:
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Mexico
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah

https://rv-roadtrips.thefuntimesguide.com/triple_towing/

https://rv-
> > > Craig wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm looking for something to tow our utility trailer, if I
> > > will not be allowed to tow it behind our biggest trailer, a
> > > 51' 1995 Kentucky furniture van. I'm guessing the trailer and
> > > its contents will weigh about 3500 lbs.
> 
> > Mitch wrote:
> > 
> > Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?
> 
> Only for commercial.  Many states allow it for non-commercial and
> I am aware of no license or permit limitations if it is allowed.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > Mitch wrote:
> >
> > Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?

> Craig wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I have it.

Are you planning on towing doubles/triples commercially?

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > Craig wrote:
> > 
> > I'm looking for something to tow our utility trailer, if I
> > will not be allowed to tow it behind our biggest trailer, a
> > 51' 1995 Kentucky furniture van. I'm guessing the trailer and
> > its contents will weigh about 3500 lbs.

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?

Only for commercial.  Many states allow it for non-commercial and
I am aware of no license or permit limitations if it is allowed.


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



> On November 1, 2018 at 4:25 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Remind me again what a W163 is, please ...

1998-2005 ML.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?

Yes, but I have it.


> I've towed around 3300-3500 unbraked behind a W163 without issue, but I
> drive conservatively and didn't have to perform any emergency maneuvers
> those two days. 3500 is under the W163 limit of 5k, and less than 10%
> over limit for the many 1500kg with brakes cars. Mitch.

Remind me again what a W163 is, please ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On November 1, 2018 at 2:22 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for something to tow our utility trailer, if I will not
> be allowed to tow it behind our biggest trailer, a 51' 1995 Kentucky
> furniture van. I'm guessing the trailer and its contents will weigh
> about 3500 lbs.

Twin trailers is a special license endorsement, isn't it?
I've towed around 3300-3500 unbraked behind a W163 without issue, but I drive 
conservatively and didn't have to perform any emergency maneuvers those two 
days. 
3500 is under the W163 limit of 5k, and less than 10% over limit for the many 
1500kg with brakes cars. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 14:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On November 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > How much towing capacity do you need?
> 
> I think his biggest trailer weighs about 55k max. 

Actually, its Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is 65,000 lbs.
I have towing for that already covered. :-)

I'm looking for something to tow our utility trailer, if I will not
be allowed to tow it behind our biggest trailer, a 51' 1995 Kentucky
furniture van. I'm guessing the trailer and its contents will weigh
about 3500 lbs.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



> On November 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Craig - I've got the Technical Data books up through 1995, so any models in
> those years I can help.  Anything later, you probably will need to get the
> info from WIS or the dealer or maybe the Classic Center?
> 
> How much towing capacity do you need?

I think his biggest trailer weighs about 55k max. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-11-01 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Craig - I've got the Technical Data books up through 1995, so any models in
those years I can help.  Anything later, you probably will need to get the
info from WIS or the dealer or maybe the Classic Center?

How much towing capacity do you need?
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 8:06 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Does anyone have information about how heavy a trailer can be to be
> towed by particular model of Mercedes Benz can weigh beyond what is
> included in the attached PDF?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] Trailer Towing with Benzes

2018-10-31 Thread Craig via Mercedes

Does anyone have information about how heavy a trailer can be to be
towed by particular model of Mercedes Benz can weigh beyond what is
included in the attached PDF?

Thanks,


Craig


allowable.trailer.weights.pdf
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer towing with a $3000 W220

2018-08-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

>
> ...saying the car isn’t meant to tow anything.  That’s not true at all...


How about "isn't meant _by_MBNA_ to tow anything?"  I bet that's true
enough.

-- Jim

>
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer towing with a $3000 W220

2018-08-25 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

The only problem with these stories is how he keeps saying the car isn’t
meant to tow anything.  That’s not true at all, as in Europe tow hitches
(anhangerkupplung) are very common and the cars are certainly designed for
their regular use.

S classes make excellent tow vehicles!

Jaime

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>
> https://jalopnik.com/how-i-transformed-my-3000-mercedes-s-class-into-a-cros-1785995290
>
>
> https://jalopnik.com/i-towed-2-000-pounds-with-my-s-class-and-then-my-tire-e-1786358842
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[MBZ] Trailer towing with a $3000 W220

2018-08-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

https://jalopnik.com/how-i-transformed-my-3000-mercedes-s-class-into-a-cros-1785995290

https://jalopnik.com/i-towed-2-000-pounds-with-my-s-class-and-then-my-tire-e-1786358842

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


your a looser

--FT


On 6/15/17 6:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Ok I figured it out. You install the clip before the nut, then bend the tab 
over. Makes sense. I still don't trust this design as much as the old fashioned 
cotter pin.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I had to replace an axle on the trailer a while back and the new one has those 
bearings that just has a metal clip that slips in the end of the spindle 
instead of a cotter pin thru the spindle. I must be not placing it correctly or 
something as I keep having problems with the bearings loosening up on that 
axle. I am in the process of checking and sure enough it's way way loose. I 
don't want it coming loose on a 1200 mile round trip and need to figure this 
out now.

Sent from my iPhone

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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-15 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes


1.   Set em, tack weld the nut to the spindle.   Be an okie redneck
2.  Or file a flat, drill e hole for the cotter key, buy 2 castle nuts. 
Put em on and key em.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 15, 2017 at 5:42 PM
Ok I figured it out. You install the clip before the nut, then bend 
the tab over. Makes sense. I still don't trust this design as much as 
the old fashioned cotter pin.




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Re: [MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Well with these axles supposedly you won't have to remove anything to grease 
them. They have a zerk fitting on the end that you pump in new grease and the 
old grease pumps out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Cotter pins are cheaper to replace than those tab washers when you repack 
> your bearings. 
> I prefer the plain nut with the 12pt socket that slips over it and accepts 
> the cotter. Easier to get the bearing preload just right than with the castle 
> nut. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On June 15, 2017 at 6:42 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ok I figured it out. You install the clip before the nut, then bend the tab 
>> over. Makes sense. I still don't trust this design as much as the old 
>> fashioned cotter pin.
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-15 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Cotter pins are cheaper to replace than those tab washers when you repack your 
bearings. 
I prefer the plain nut with the 12pt socket that slips over it and accepts the 
cotter. Easier to get the bearing preload just right than with the castle nut. 

Mitch.

> On June 15, 2017 at 6:42 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok I figured it out. You install the clip before the nut, then bend the tab 
> over. Makes sense. I still don't trust this design as much as the old 
> fashioned cotter pin.

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Ok I figured it out. You install the clip before the nut, then bend the tab 
over. Makes sense. I still don't trust this design as much as the old fashioned 
cotter pin.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had to replace an axle on the trailer a while back and the new one has 
> those bearings that just has a metal clip that slips in the end of the 
> spindle instead of a cotter pin thru the spindle. I must be not placing it 
> correctly or something as I keep having problems with the bearings loosening 
> up on that axle. I am in the process of checking and sure enough it's way way 
> loose. I don't want it coming loose on a 1200 mile round trip and need to 
> figure this out now.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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[MBZ] Trailer wheel bearings

2017-06-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I had to replace an axle on the trailer a while back and the new one has those 
bearings that just has a metal clip that slips in the end of the spindle 
instead of a cotter pin thru the spindle. I must be not placing it correctly or 
something as I keep having problems with the bearings loosening up on that 
axle. I am in the process of checking and sure enough it's way way loose. I 
don't want it coming loose on a 1200 mile round trip and need to figure this 
out now.

Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

Thanks, me, too.  'Bout the best I've seen.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

Let me know when you want to sell it!  I like it!

--R

On 3/22/16 4:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
How ya do dat image search?  You mean I can put in my photo, and Google 
will find a match?

Wilt

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Forget that, Prof Google (image search) confirms your suspicion.  I see
several pictures of ford truck beds with no fenders, and at least one or
two with none-original fenders.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Maybe only the tailgate is "Ford", the rest is something else?  Generic
utility trailer modified by adding the Ford tailgate?

On the tongue, is there any plate with trailer info?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

Yep, that's it!  Under "Images for 1938 Ford pickup truck bed;" even parts 
for it, though I haven't confirmed dimensions of beds shown yet.  $3+k sans 
fenders.  Notice that fenders on mine are not fat and streamlined like those 
on the trucks.
Evidently somebody acquired a bed separate from a truck, or some "outfit" 
was in the business of making trailers using new beds from Ford.  I feel 
certain that my trailer has not had other, regular, production line fenders 
on it.


Thanks, Max!

Wilton

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Sorry, been "working".

Start a Google search for "1938 Ford pickup truck bed", select the image 
tab to look at images, and scroll through.  I saw several that had no 
fenders and one with fenders very much like yours.

--
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

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How ya do dat image search?  You mean I can put in my photo, and Google
will
find a match?

Wilt

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Forget that, Prof Google (image search) confirms your suspicion.  I

see

several pictures of ford truck beds with no fenders, and at least one

or

two with none-original fenders.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Maybe only the tailgate is "Ford", the rest is something else?

Generic

utility trailer modified by adding the Ford tailgate?

On the tongue, is there any plate with trailer info?

-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

'Sounds like what I've been doing.  'Been seeing some similar.  I'll try 
again.

Wilt

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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

Sorry, been "working".

Start a Google search for "1938 Ford pickup truck bed", select the image 
tab to look at images, and scroll through.  I saw several that had no 
fenders and one with fenders very much like yours.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 22, 2016 4:40:58 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

How ya do dat image search?  You mean I can put in my photo, and Google
will
find a match?

Wilt

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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

Forget that, Prof Google (image search) confirms your suspicion.  I

see

several pictures of ford truck beds with no fenders, and at least one

or

two with none-original fenders.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Maybe only the tailgate is "Ford", the rest is something else?

Generic

utility trailer modified by adding the Ford tailgate?

On the tongue, is there any plate with trailer info?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

2016-03-22 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes


Let me know when you want to sell it!  I like it!

--R

On 3/22/16 4:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
How ya do dat image search?  You mean I can put in my photo, and 
Google will find a match?


Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle



Forget that, Prof Google (image search) confirms your suspicion.  I see
several pictures of ford truck beds with no fenders, and at least one or
two with none-original fenders.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
wrote:



Maybe only the tailgate is "Ford", the rest is something else?  Generic
utility trailer modified by adding the Ford tailgate?

On the tongue, is there any plate with trailer info?

-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle

2016-03-22 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Sorry, been "working".

Start a Google search for "1938 Ford pickup truck bed", select the image tab to 
look at images, and scroll through.  I saw several that had no fenders and one 
with fenders very much like yours.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 22, 2016 4:40:58 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:
>How ya do dat image search?  You mean I can put in my photo, and Google
>will 
>find a match?
>
>Wilt
>
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>Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle
>
>
>> Forget that, Prof Google (image search) confirms your suspicion.  I
>see
>> several pictures of ford truck beds with no fenders, and at least one
>or
>> two with none-original fenders.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe only the tailgate is "Ford", the rest is something else? 
>Generic
>>> utility trailer modified by adding the Ford tailgate?
>>>
>>> On the tongue, is there any plate with trailer info?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Trailer puzzle