Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo engine rattling noise

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Probably coming up on time for a replacement…easy job.

-D


> On Jan 20, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If my memory is correct [doubtful assumption} I think I changed that
> tensioner maybe 150K miles ago.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:30 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> The belt tensioner can rattle also, and is more likely in my experience.
>> The fuel line leak I had in a W115 car was where the metal line rubbed
>> against the chassis entering the engine compartment from below. Check the
>> whole length from the tank to the engine.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:23 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you all for your advice on the fuel filters. I replaced them and
>> the
>>> car runs fine now. Definitely a stream of bubbles in the inline filter
>> so I
>>> will have to check the hoses by the tank.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately I’m now hearing a rattling noise up front by the engine.
>> I’m
>>> of course worried that this could be the vacuum pump. Is that what a
>>> failing vacuum pump sounds like? Anything else I should be concerned
>> about?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo engine rattling noise

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

If my memory is correct [doubtful assumption} I think I changed that
tensioner maybe 150K miles ago.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:30 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The belt tensioner can rattle also, and is more likely in my experience.
> The fuel line leak I had in a W115 car was where the metal line rubbed
> against the chassis entering the engine compartment from below. Check the
> whole length from the tank to the engine.
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:23 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you all for your advice on the fuel filters. I replaced them and
> the
> > car runs fine now. Definitely a stream of bubbles in the inline filter
> so I
> > will have to check the hoses by the tank.
> >
> > Unfortunately I’m now hearing a rattling noise up front by the engine.
> I’m
> > of course worried that this could be the vacuum pump. Is that what a
> > failing vacuum pump sounds like? Anything else I should be concerned
> about?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 Turbo engine rattling noise

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The belt tensioner can rattle also, and is more likely in my experience.
The fuel line leak I had in a W115 car was where the metal line rubbed
against the chassis entering the engine compartment from below. Check the
whole length from the tank to the engine.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:23 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thank you all for your advice on the fuel filters. I replaced them and the
> car runs fine now. Definitely a stream of bubbles in the inline filter so I
> will have to check the hoses by the tank.
>
> Unfortunately I’m now hearing a rattling noise up front by the engine. I’m
> of course worried that this could be the vacuum pump. Is that what a
> failing vacuum pump sounds like? Anything else I should be concerned about?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's black - that's enough reason to salvage a car in OK, as far as I'm
concerned - - -

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Here are some quick photos of this 2.5 I picked up last night. I looked at
> the car pretty good and see no evidence of any paint or body work. The
> paint appears to be original and is in fantastic shape. Car was probably
> garaged. I can't figure out why this would have a salvage title. Only issue
> I see is the broken turn signal lens.
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

That is the best way!  Then you can unplug the electrics and it won't 
run your battery down!  I am proud to say I have no Hirschmanns 
plugged in.   I quit putting new masts in about 10 yrs ago.


BTW, I have new in the bag antenna masts for 123, 124 and 126/107 
cars.  If anyone wants to buy one, they are for sale.



Antenna is broken, stuck up.
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'95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Antenna is broken, stuck up.
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/03/2016 5:02 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb,
I see the problem in that one picture. The car has a cat attached to the left 
front wheel. The humane society will never let you drive the car. Sad you've 
been taken. Sell it cheap quickly and don't spread the pictures around.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale



No problem.
Just carefully remove the cat, wrap it up and mail it to Andrew.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Peter Frederick]

I had a leak between #3 and #4 IFIRC, on the old 300D, discovered  
when I pulled the head.  Also leaked in a couple of other places --  
PLEASE use new head bolts when you do a gasket change!  The bolts may  
not have stretched too much "by the book", but the failure rate is  
too high to suit me or my friend the MB mechanic.  New bolts (and  
clean OILED threads in the block) prevent very short life of the new  
gasket.


The head had been pulled on mine for some reason prior to the guy I  
got it from purchasing it, and it didn't run properly until I  
replaced the head gasket.  That didn't fix the cracked head, but  
other than the coolant collecting oil and pressurizing terribly (with  
lots of white smoke in the morning if I left the pressure cap on), it  
ran GREAT with a new gasket, and of course normal compression all  
round.  #6 leaked into the bolt holes, #1 was leaking into the oil  
passage a smidge, and it was leaking between #2 and #3 AND #5 and  
#6.  The leak into the bolt holes on #6 caused the head to stick on  
the broken bolt at the rear, loaded with carbon and coked oil.


I'm beginning to think I need to replace the gasket on the "new" one  
too -- I get too much blowby for an engine that starts instantly at  
5F and makes NO oil smoke except on cold starts.  I've seen more than  
one head on these things with very oversized valve guides, too, for  
some reason.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Peter Frederick]

If the gasket is blown between the cylinders, you will have very low  
compression on both.  BTDT.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Craig]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:43:59 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> I loosened the lines today and it seems to me like the problem is 
> with #4 and #5.  It just does not seem like a blown gasket to me 
> but maybe it is

Sure would hate to pull the head and find out differently!

Would a compression test show anything?

Would a break from #4 to #5 pressurize the coolant, or put combustion
products into it, or let coolant into the oil?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I loosened the lines today and it seems to me like the problem is 
with #4 and #5.  It just does not seem like a blown gasket to me 
but maybe it is


On 12/29/2010 6:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have seen a number of these 2.5 and 2.2 engines blow out all 
the sudden, and its a definate oil smoke and usually oil blowing 
out the back.  The exhaust definately does not smell like oil at 
all, no oil blowing out the back, just diesel fuel smell.  Also, 
any I have seen are easily fixed by replacing the gasket, never 
had any bent rods in that case.  If you continued to drive it I 
am sure it could bend rods.


On 12/28/2010 11:28 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
Could be a number of things, but the most likely is a blown 
head gasket.  Are you SURE it's not oil smoke?  A bad turbo can 
suddenly dump oil into the intake.


Check each cylinder by cracking the injection line, a dead one 
could be either very low compression (check the camshaft for 
seriously worn lobes) or a blown head gasket.  Check the 
coolant for pressure and oil, of course.


I have seen via a friend on PeachParts a 2.5L head that spalled 
off something terrible, caused very low compression and pretty 
much totaled out the engine.  No indication prior to serious 
bad running and noise.


If you have two "poor" cylinders, but not a single dead one, 
it's likely the gasket has blow between them.  They can also 
blow out on the last one at the firewall (#5 in this case) into 
the bolt holes and/or the oil return passage.


If you did blow the front cylinder into the chain case, likely 
you also have a bent #1 rod and subsequent cylinder damage.  We 
do have 5 rods and pistons available for a stock engine 
(original 1986 300SDL) if you need one.


Peter


-Original Message-

From: Craig
Sent: Dec 28, 2010 10:43 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:46 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Wife calls this morning says the car is running rough and has no
power.  She gets to work and says there is smoke pouring out the
back.  My immediate thought is the head gasket blew between 
#1 and
timing chain.  I go pick it up just now and it starts right 
up and
its cutting out/missing, and it does start smoking but its a 
gray

diesel smoke.  Im thinking it must be something in the IP.  The
smoke is not oil or coolant smoke in the time I had it running.
Maybe an injector is messed up?
Try cracking each injector line in turn while it's running. 
That will

isolate a single-cylinder problem.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have never run into that before, guess I would have to pull the 
injectors to tell


On 12/29/2010 8:51 PM, OK Don wrote:

I wonder if a pre-chamber self-distructed?

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinwrote:


I have seen a number of these 2.5 and 2.2 engines blow out all the sudden,
and its a definate oil smoke and usually oil blowing out the back.  The
exhaust definately does not smell like oil at all, no oil blowing out the
back, just diesel fuel smell.  Also, any I have seen are easily fixed by
replacing the gasket, never had any bent rods in that case.  If you
continued to drive it I am sure it could bend rods.
--


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2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[OK Don]

I wonder if a pre-chamber self-distructed?

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I have seen a number of these 2.5 and 2.2 engines blow out all the sudden,
> and its a definate oil smoke and usually oil blowing out the back.  The
> exhaust definately does not smell like oil at all, no oil blowing out the
> back, just diesel fuel smell.  Also, any I have seen are easily fixed by
> replacing the gasket, never had any bent rods in that case.  If you
> continued to drive it I am sure it could bend rods.
> --
>
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have seen a number of these 2.5 and 2.2 engines blow out all the 
sudden, and its a definate oil smoke and usually oil blowing out 
the back.  The exhaust definately does not smell like oil at all, 
no oil blowing out the back, just diesel fuel smell.  Also, any I 
have seen are easily fixed by replacing the gasket, never had any 
bent rods in that case.  If you continued to drive it I am sure it 
could bend rods.


On 12/28/2010 11:28 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

Could be a number of things, but the most likely is a blown head gasket.  Are 
you SURE it's not oil smoke?  A bad turbo can suddenly dump oil into the intake.

Check each cylinder by cracking the injection line, a dead one could be either 
very low compression (check the camshaft for seriously worn lobes) or a blown 
head gasket.  Check the coolant for pressure and oil, of course.

I have seen via a friend on PeachParts a 2.5L head that spalled off something 
terrible, caused very low compression and pretty much totaled out the engine.  
No indication prior to serious bad running and noise.

If you have two "poor" cylinders, but not a single dead one, it's likely the 
gasket has blow between them.  They can also blow out on the last one at the firewall (#5 
in this case) into the bolt holes and/or the oil return passage.

If you did blow the front cylinder into the chain case, likely you also have a 
bent #1 rod and subsequent cylinder damage.  We do have 5 rods and pistons 
available for a stock engine (original 1986 300SDL) if you need one.

Peter


-Original Message-

From: Craig
Sent: Dec 28, 2010 10:43 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:46 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Wife calls this morning says the car is running rough and has no
power.  She gets to work and says there is smoke pouring out the
back.  My immediate thought is the head gasket blew between #1 and
timing chain.  I go pick it up just now and it starts right up and
its cutting out/missing, and it does start smoking but its a gray
diesel smoke.  Im thinking it must be something in the IP.  The
smoke is not oil or coolant smoke in the time I had it running.
Maybe an injector is messed up?

Try cracking each injector line in turn while it's running. That will
isolate a single-cylinder problem.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, thats the plan

On 12/28/2010 10:43 PM, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:46 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
  wrote:


Wife calls this morning says the car is running rough and has no
power.  She gets to work and says there is smoke pouring out the
back.  My immediate thought is the head gasket blew between #1 and
timing chain.  I go pick it up just now and it starts right up and
its cutting out/missing, and it does start smoking but its a gray
diesel smoke.  Im thinking it must be something in the IP.  The
smoke is not oil or coolant smoke in the time I had it running.
Maybe an injector is messed up?

Try cracking each injector line in turn while it's running. That will
isolate a single-cylinder problem.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Peter Frederick]

Could be a number of things, but the most likely is a blown head gasket.  Are 
you SURE it's not oil smoke?  A bad turbo can suddenly dump oil into the intake.

Check each cylinder by cracking the injection line, a dead one could be either 
very low compression (check the camshaft for seriously worn lobes) or a blown 
head gasket.  Check the coolant for pressure and oil, of course.

I have seen via a friend on PeachParts a 2.5L head that spalled off something 
terrible, caused very low compression and pretty much totaled out the engine.  
No indication prior to serious bad running and noise.

If you have two "poor" cylinders, but not a single dead one, it's likely the 
gasket has blow between them.  They can also blow out on the last one at the 
firewall (#5 in this case) into the bolt holes and/or the oil return passage.

If you did blow the front cylinder into the chain case, likely you also have a 
bent #1 rod and subsequent cylinder damage.  We do have 5 rods and pistons 
available for a stock engine (original 1986 300SDL) if you need one.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Craig 
>Sent: Dec 28, 2010 10:43 PM
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem
>
>On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:46 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> wrote:
>
>> Wife calls this morning says the car is running rough and has no 
>> power.  She gets to work and says there is smoke pouring out the 
>> back.  My immediate thought is the head gasket blew between #1 and 
>> timing chain.  I go pick it up just now and it starts right up and 
>> its cutting out/missing, and it does start smoking but its a gray 
>> diesel smoke.  Im thinking it must be something in the IP.  The 
>> smoke is not oil or coolant smoke in the time I had it running.  
>> Maybe an injector is messed up?
>
>Try cracking each injector line in turn while it's running. That will
>isolate a single-cylinder problem.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo problem

[Craig]

On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:51:46 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Wife calls this morning says the car is running rough and has no 
> power.  She gets to work and says there is smoke pouring out the 
> back.  My immediate thought is the head gasket blew between #1 and 
> timing chain.  I go pick it up just now and it starts right up and 
> its cutting out/missing, and it does start smoking but its a gray 
> diesel smoke.  Im thinking it must be something in the IP.  The 
> smoke is not oil or coolant smoke in the time I had it running.  
> Maybe an injector is messed up?

Try cracking each injector line in turn while it's running. That will
isolate a single-cylinder problem.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo noisy lifters

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I think that Marshall used to say that it could take thousands of miles
to fix, but M1 had a good reputation for fixing them.  Unfortunately it
is not a permanent fix - the tap will come back when you switch to Dino
oil.

Max 

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Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo noisy lifters

On my 90 2.5 I have been driving a little, it has at least a couple of
noisy lifters, I did change the oil and used mobile 1 to try and quiet
them down.  When sitting at idle, the things seems to tick, will go
away, start ticking again etc.  Wonder how long it will take the M1 to
clean these things out, if at all?  Maybe I will have to replace some of
them?
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo noisy lifters

[Curt Raymond]

I had that once on my 190D, it'd been to my Indy for some minor ailment but 
he'd had to run it 4 or 5 times for short periods so when I got it it had a 
tapper.
It kept tapping almost all the way home. I had gotten to where I was going to 
call him and give him a piece of my mind when it just disappeared...

Weird.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:08:41 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo noisy lifters
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On my 90 2.5 I have been driving a little, it has at least a couple of 
noisy lifters, I did change the oil and used mobile 1 to try and quiet 
them down.  When sitting at idle, the things seems to tick, will go 
away, start ticking again etc.  Wonder how long it will take the M1 to 
clean these things out, if at all?  Maybe I will have to replace some of 
them?
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  91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo noisy lifters

[Peter Frederick]

Did you replace the two o-rings on the center bolt in the oil filter  
housing?  When those go bad, they let the oil drain out of the oil  
gallery overnight, and it takes ages to re-fill the tappets.


Otherwise, they do go bad, and you may need to replace them.

Takes a few weeks of driving to get the Mobil 1 into the tappets in  
large enough quantities to clear the gunk.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[Curt Raymond]

Ain't you got no vice grips at Okie Acres?
Then get you a sharp chisel and use that...

Or weld a crossbar on and use that.
Or cut a groove in it and use a screwdriver.

Or do like Germany intended and don't use the stupid drain plug. I've NEVER 
used the drainplug on my 190D. Its probably stripped...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:59:08 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure
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I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out? 

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
how would I know.  With the regulator in there that works, all the 
lights lite up now.


OK, so it was the regulator, not the fuses.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

how would I know.  With the regulator in there that works, all the 
lights lite up now.


Mitch Haley wrote:
If you have no dash lights, how is the initial field current supposed 
to go through the alternator indicator lamp to the regulator to make 
the alternator work?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, but I would still like to get that bolt out.

WILTON wrote:

Don't drain it - suck it out via the dipstick tube.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 


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Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure


So a few weeks ago messing with my new 90 2.5, I discover it is not 
charging.  I swap in a different regulator and it still does not 
charge.  The regulator that was on there had really short brushes, 
the one I put on had long ones.  Anyway, I go to pull the alternator 
only to discover the lower bolt partially rounded off, and the bolt 
will not budge.  Crap.  I ended up having to CUT the alternator off, 
and part of the mounting brackets as well.  Took about 3 hours but I 
got it off.  I then pull the remaining bracket off the engine and 
install another one.  I put on a different alternator along with the 
same regulator I had used before because it has much longer brushes.  
Still not charging.  I also notice when turning on the key non of the 
lights come on (bat, brake, oil, coolant etc) OK, so I pull that 
alternator back off and go pull one off a 260E to try.  BTW, you all 
remember me asking about the difference in these alternators.  EPC 
says different part numbers.  The pulley and everything else is 
identical between the diesel version and the gas version.  Anyway, 
before installing this 3rd alt, I pull the regulator out to check it 
and it has short brushes, so I put the one I have with nice long 
ones.  Install alternator, still no charge.  DAMN. I was about ready 
to give up for the day when I decide to pull the regulator with the 
long brushes out and put the one that was in it with short ones back 
in.  Now it charges just fine.  WTF?  I guess a regulator can go bad 
and still have nice long brushes on it?  There might not have been 
anything wrong with the alternator all along, it might have just been 
the regulator.
I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out?

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[Mitch Haley]

If you have no dash lights, how is the initial field current supposed to go 
through the alternator indicator lamp to the regulator to make the alternator work?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

[WILTON]

Don't drain it - suck it out via the dipstick tube.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure


So a few weeks ago messing with my new 90 2.5, I discover it is not 
charging.  I swap in a different regulator and it still does not 
charge.  The regulator that was on there had really short brushes, the 
one I put on had long ones.  Anyway, I go to pull the alternator only to 
discover the lower bolt partially rounded off, and the bolt will not 
budge.  Crap.  I ended up having to CUT the alternator off, and part of 
the mounting brackets as well.  Took about 3 hours but I got it off.  I 
then pull the remaining bracket off the engine and install another one.  
I put on a different alternator along with the same regulator I had used 
before because it has much longer brushes.  Still not charging.  I also 
notice when turning on the key non of the lights come on (bat, brake, 
oil, coolant etc) OK, so I pull that alternator back off and go pull one 
off a 260E to try.  BTW, you all remember me asking about the difference 
in these alternators.  EPC says different part numbers.  The pulley and 
everything else is identical between the diesel version and the gas 
version.  Anyway, before installing this 3rd alt, I pull the regulator 
out to check it and it has short brushes, so I put the one I have with 
nice long ones.  Install alternator, still no charge.  DAMN. I was about 
ready to give up for the day when I decide to pull the regulator with 
the long brushes out and put the one that was in it with short ones back 
in.  Now it charges just fine.  WTF?  I guess a regulator can go bad and 
still have nice long brushes on it?  There might not have been anything 
wrong with the alternator all along, it might have just been the 
regulator. 

I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out? 


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo V E300 radiator

[OK Don]

No idea, but am interested in what you find out 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Anybody ever tried to see if a radiator out of a 124 2.5 turbo will fit in
> a 95 E300?  I know the EPC lists a different part number, and I am going to
> put them side by side to compare, but Im just wondering what differences, if
> any, there is between the 2. Or for that matter, from a 87 300D.
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo V E300 radiator

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

exactly

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:40:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

Anybody ever tried to see if a radiator out of a 124 2.5 turbo will fit 
in a 95 E300?  I know the EPC lists a different part number, and I am 
going to put them side by side to compare, but Im just wondering what 
differences, if any, there is between the 2. Or for that matter, from a 
87 300D.


Sorry, no clue. The side-by-side sounds like a good test. Why do you want
to make the swap? Do you have a '95 E300 with a bad radiator and an extra
124 2.5 turbo radiator?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo V E300 radiator

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:40:45 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Anybody ever tried to see if a radiator out of a 124 2.5 turbo will fit 
> in a 95 E300?  I know the EPC lists a different part number, and I am 
> going to put them side by side to compare, but Im just wondering what 
> differences, if any, there is between the 2. Or for that matter, from a 
> 87 300D.

Sorry, no clue. The side-by-side sounds like a good test. Why do you want
to make the swap? Do you have a '95 E300 with a bad radiator and an extra
124 2.5 turbo radiator?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Peter Frederick]

No odometer right now -- busted.  However, I used 9.6 gallons of fuel 
from Evansville, IN to Ft. Wayne and 9.4 on the way back (n the rain), 
according to Mapquest it's almost exactly 300 miles point to point.

The old one got 38-29 all the time (accurate odometer and speedo), 
jumped up a bit when I replaced the head gasket to 30-31.

My old Volvo TD got 28 in town, 29 mixed, and 30-31 on the highway too.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Allan Streib]

That's the case in my 300D, the speedo reads 2 - 3 mph higher than  
any of my other cars, based on a school zone radar sign that displays  
your speed as you drive past.

Allan

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> Maybe his odometer is not correct, maybe its too fast
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

I dont have enough patience to drive like you do :)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo


>I will freely admit to being a sedate driver -- I refuse to be in much of a 
>hurry for anything anymore, it's too much hassle.
>
> However, here is what I usually do to keep fuel consumption down:
>
> light throttle until the 1-2 upshift, then add power.
>
> Keep the rear tires as 36 psi, rides a bit harder, but you get better 
> milage.
>
> Rebuild the rear calipers if the brake pads don't wear -- they stick badly 
> as they really only get used when at full load.  I pull mine once in a 
> while and make sure the pads move freely, else the rust in place and drag. 
> They then stick and drag.
>
> Keep the front end properly aligned!  Check the front wheel bearings, too, 
> a bad one will drag quite a bit.
>
> Accelerate gently, let some other idiot burn up fuel if he wants.   A 603 
> will "wind out" a bit, just give it a bit of time.
>
> I still only get 14 mpg in my 280 SE 4.5, no matter what I do
>
> Ft. Wayne actually looks better than it did -- a new Libraby, quite nice 
> the in the new style (too much wasted space for me, but it's the new way), 
> a nice Convention Center downtown, old Train Station fixed up and in use, 
> lots of traffic downtown.  Still no major new industry, but I think that's 
> going to change, the fad for outsourcing everything but the CEO's salary 
> is just about over.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Maybe his odometer is not correct, maybe its too fast

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From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo


> On Dec 31, 2007 7:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 31-32 with a 603, what is your secret?  Do you drive it like an old lady?
>>
>>
> My thoughts exactly.  Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end
> of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway
> driving.  Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30
> mpg consistently.
>
> I have to think that there's something really exceptional about Peter's 
> car,
> or his driving habits.  Maybe he's just way out in the tail end of the 
> bell
> curve?
>
> FWIW, in the two '87 300Ds I've owned, I've always seen 25-27 mpg pretty
> consistently with about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving.  I know 
> the
> one I have now got very slightly better mileage (1-2 mpg maybe) before I
> adjusted the ALDA, at the expense of terrible turbo lag---it was running 
> way
> too "lean" (is that even the right word where diesels are concerned?).
>
> Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Peter Frederick]

I will freely admit to being a sedate driver -- I refuse to be in much of a 
hurry for anything anymore, it's too much hassle.

However, here is what I usually do to keep fuel consumption down:

light throttle until the 1-2 upshift, then add power.  

Keep the rear tires as 36 psi, rides a bit harder, but you get better milage.  

Rebuild the rear calipers if the brake pads don't wear -- they stick badly as 
they really only get used when at full load.  I pull mine once in a while and 
make sure the pads move freely, else the rust in place and drag.  They then 
stick and drag.

Keep the front end properly aligned!  Check the front wheel bearings, too, a 
bad one will drag quite a bit.

Accelerate gently, let some other idiot burn up fuel if he wants.   A 603 will 
"wind out" a bit, just give it a bit of time.

I still only get 14 mpg in my 280 SE 4.5, no matter what I do

Ft. Wayne actually looks better than it did -- a new Libraby, quite nice the in 
the new style (too much wasted space for me, but it's the new way), a nice 
Convention Center downtown, old Train Station fixed up and in use, lots of 
traffic downtown.  Still no major new industry, but I think that's going to 
change, the fad for outsourcing everything but the CEO's salary is just about 
over.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Dec 31, 2007 7:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 31-32 with a 603, what is your secret?  Do you drive it like an old lady?
>
>
My thoughts exactly.  Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end
of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway
driving.  Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30
mpg consistently.

I have to think that there's something really exceptional about Peter's car,
or his driving habits.  Maybe he's just way out in the tail end of the bell
curve?

FWIW, in the two '87 300Ds I've owned, I've always seen 25-27 mpg pretty
consistently with about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving.  I know the
one I have now got very slightly better mileage (1-2 mpg maybe) before I
adjusted the ALDA, at the expense of terrible turbo lag---it was running way
too "lean" (is that even the right word where diesels are concerned?).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Rich Thomas]

Hey, I grew up (well, spent my first 20 yr or so) in Ft Wayne, have not 
really been back in about that many years.  How is the old fort?

--R

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Fairly gently, usually not over 60 on the highway to work (60 mph speed 
> limit).  Ran right at 30 mpg on my trip to Fr. Wayne, IN for 
> Thanksgiving this year, too running 75 or so most of the way.
>
> I got 29 highway even driving hard in the old one.
>
> Peter
>   
>

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> Went thru the same thing with my 91 300D 2.5T and finally found a way to put 
> a Alpine CD changer in the trunk and continue using the MB Head Unit in the 
> dash and the Amp and Tuner in the trunk.  If that's what you are trying to 
> get to let me know and I'll tell you what I did.  It's not cheap but the 
> factory system is kept intact.

If I didn't despise the MB head unit I would take you up on that offer! 
  ;) What I'm going for is satellite radio, and depending on what 
communication protocol the Alpine CD changer used I could probably get a 
  Sirius adapter to work.  However, I still don't like the MB head unit. 
  It does blend into the car quite well, but the volume "knob" drives me 
insane. I'd also want presets for the satellite radio, and I'm not sure 
how that would work on that head unit. I also need new speakers, and I 
don't want to buy the MB specific ones that will work with the amp.

It actually looks like I am going to completely remove the wiring 
harness and give it to Kaleb.  So I won't be butchering the wiring so 
much as the purists on the list will say I'm butchering the car ;)

John

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[LarryT]

The good news is there should be planty of the cables for the speakers in 
junk yards.   IIRC, the speaker wires are routed as you suggested - from 
speaker to fader to amp.

But not knowing how the DAPO butchered the wiring it may be difficult to 
hook it up again.  But the factory system sounds great IMHO and I finally 
got my CD Changer to work properly.  I bought a Alpine CHM-60? and then 
needed the MB interface box from Rusty.

Good luck - let me know if I can help --

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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo


> Been driving the 140 diesel for a while.  Had the center console apart
> on the 92 300D fixing the cig lighter, was not working.  Discoverd it
> was not hooked up.  Anyway, put car back together and drove it today to
> work.  It needed to be filled up so I filled it up and got 29.8 mpg.
> WOW.  The 2.5 turbo is the perfect balance of economy, performance, and
> luxury.  The 140 diesel is the ultimate luxury but gives up some
> performance and economy.
>
> On another note, there is a crappy alpine cassette installed in this
> car.  This has the factory 2 piece system with the amp etc.  Well all
> the equipment is installed in the trunk but when hooking up this
> aftermarket radio, there is nothing plugged into the amp in the trunk.
> Looks like the round plug that goes from the head unit to the trunk unit
> is still there under the dash, as is the power (I think) plug.  The
> fader switch has been bypassed I guess.  Also the antenna wire is up
> front to hook to the radio.  In the factory configuration it goes to the
> trunk unit.  So in order to get this thing back to stock, looks like Im
> going to somehow have to get all the wires back to the trunk area for
> the speakers and the antenna.  I guess when they hooked it up they
> removed the plug on the amp in the trunk and routed everything up front
> some how.  Originally there are speaker connections on the trunk unit.
> Do these go from there to the amp, then from the amp to the fader switch
> and then on to the speakers?  All I know is since it doesnt run thru the
> amp now the sound is very bad, not like it should be with the proper
> configuration.  I hate it when people butcher up the wiring for the
> factory radio, especially the 2 piece radios.  Very hard to get it back
> to original.
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[LarryT]

Hi John,
You wrote:< is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk
> where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter
> for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that
> wiring will work>>

Went thru the same thing with my 91 300D 2.5T and finally found a way to put 
a Alpine CD changer in the trunk and continue using the MB Head Unit in the 
dash and the Amp and Tuner in the trunk.  If that's what you are trying to 
get to let me know and I'll tell you what I did.  It's not cheap but the 
factory system is kept intact.

BTW, I get 29-31mpg also. (except when the vacuum line from the vac pump 
came loose and the turbo stopped working - shifting was abrupt also)

Happy New Year -

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From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo


> Peter Frederick wrote:
>> Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
>> expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!
>
> How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in my
> 2.5T
>
>> I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major
>> manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses
>> that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into
>> things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to
>> factory configuration!
>
> Not on my '92!  The factory head unit really isn't the actual radio, it
> is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk
> where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter
> for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that
> wiring will work.  I'm going to be adding an aftermarket radio to my car
> soon, but will most likely just abandon the old stuff in place.  I'll
> use the trunk antenna somehow though... adding one up front is just silly.
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Peter Frederick]

Pretty much just go with the traffic, although I am a gentle driver.  
Mostly open road around here, but it doesn't matter much with diesels 
-- they don't loose that much milage in town unless you get stuck it 
slow traffic jams.

I don't floor it, though.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Peter Frederick]

Fairly gently, usually not over 60 on the highway to work (60 mph speed 
limit).  Ran right at 30 mpg on my trip to Fr. Wayne, IN for 
Thanksgiving this year, too running 75 or so most of the way.

I got 29 highway even driving hard in the old one.

Peter
On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:09 PM, John Robbins wrote:

> Peter Frederick wrote:
>> Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
>> expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!
>
> How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in 
> my
> 2.5T
>
>> I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major
>> manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion 
>> harnesses
>> that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into
>> things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to
>> factory configuration!
>
> Not on my '92!  The factory head unit really isn't the actual radio, it
> is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk
> where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter
> for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that
> wiring will work.  I'm going to be adding an aftermarket radio to my 
> car
> soon, but will most likely just abandon the old stuff in place.  I'll
> use the trunk antenna somehow though... adding one up front is just 
> silly.
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

31-32 with a 603, what is your secret?  Do you drive it like an old lady?

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
> expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!
> 
> I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
> manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
> that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
> things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
> factory configuration!
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[OK Don]

I get 29 in town, and 33 at 75 mph on the interstates.

On Dec 31, 2007 9:09 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Frederick wrote:
> > Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd
> > expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!
>
> How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in my
> 2.5T
>

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[John Robbins]

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
> expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

How aggressive do you drive?  I get 29-31 on the highway going ~80 in my 
2.5T

> I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
> manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
> that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
> things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
> factory configuration!

Not on my '92!  The factory head unit really isn't the actual radio, it 
is all in the trunk.  There is a custom cable that runs to the trunk 
where the actual AM/FM tuner, amplifier, etc are.  There's no adapter 
for that, and if you want to add an aftermarket radio none of that 
wiring will work.  I'm going to be adding an aftermarket radio to my car 
soon, but will most likely just abandon the old stuff in place.  I'll 
use the trunk antenna somehow though... adding one up front is just silly.

John

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Peter Frederick]

Gee, that's rotten milage -- I get 31-32 in my 300D with a 603!  I'd 
expect more like 34 with the 2.5L in fairly flat territory!

I agree about butchering the factory wiring -- all the major 
manufacturers of aftermarket stuff these days make conversion harnesses 
that just plug into the factory ones, you don't have to cut into 
things.  Makes it MUCH easier to hook up initially AND to return to 
factory configuration!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Yes, I agree about the 2.5 turbo-perfect balance.  I get between 29-31mpg
depending on how hard I work the turbo. After 5 years of 240D, turbo is a
tempting toy.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:08 PM
To: mercedes Mailing List
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

Been driving the 140 diesel for a while.  Had the center console apart 
on the 92 300D fixing the cig lighter, was not working.  Discoverd it 
was not hooked up.  Anyway, put car back together and drove it today to 
work.  It needed to be filled up so I filled it up and got 29.8 mpg. 
WOW.  The 2.5 turbo is the perfect balance of economy, performance, and 
luxury.  The 140 diesel is the ultimate luxury but gives up some 
performance and economy.

On another note, there is a crappy alpine cassette installed in this 
car.  This has the factory 2 piece system with the amp etc.  Well all 
the equipment is installed in the trunk but when hooking up this 
aftermarket radio, there is nothing plugged into the amp in the trunk. 
Looks like the round plug that goes from the head unit to the trunk unit 
is still there under the dash, as is the power (I think) plug.  The 
fader switch has been bypassed I guess.  Also the antenna wire is up 
front to hook to the radio.  In the factory configuration it goes to the 
trunk unit.  So in order to get this thing back to stock, looks like Im 
going to somehow have to get all the wires back to the trunk area for 
the speakers and the antenna.  I guess when they hooked it up they 
removed the plug on the amp in the trunk and routed everything up front 
some how.  Originally there are speaker connections on the trunk unit. 
Do these go from there to the amp, then from the amp to the fader switch 
and then on to the speakers?  All I know is since it doesnt run thru the 
amp now the sound is very bad, not like it should be with the proper 
configuration.  I hate it when people butcher up the wiring for the 
factory radio, especially the 2 piece radios.  Very hard to get it back 
to original.
-- 
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  91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Mitch Haley]

Hey Kaleb, the price is lower than I remember on the DTI timing unit. 
Call them up and ask if it works with MBZ. Only around $500
with 5mm and 6mm pickups. 
http://tinytach.com/design/timing.php

The Ferret 765 that I have lists for $239. Before Ferret became a part of
GXT they would sell refurbs of most products for about half price. I think
the 765 timing adapter was about $100 and my model 86 timing light was about
$130. http://www.gxtinc.com/catalog_items.asp?categoryid=24

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Mitch Haley]

John Robbins wrote:
> 
> The dynamic tool puts a sensor in that port instead of the "feelers"
> (similar to an ABS sensor).  You also have to hook up the tach signal,
> etc.  This not only checks the basic timing, but can check the timing
> advance device (since you can change the RPMs etc).  I've never actually
> seen one of these tools except in the MB manual.

OK, I thought you meant the piezo sensor on the injector line (patented by
DTI, but I like the Ferret box for the DTI sensor), or maybe the old optical
sensor in the glow plug hole. I never got my Ferret to work on the 300SD,
even after Ferret gave me an engineering sample of a more sensitive box to
play with. Too bad I don't have a 5mm piezo pickup, I bet the OM60x lines
are thinner and the thing would probably work with my OM602.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[John Robbins]

Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
> Any of them I have seen for sale is the 2 led deal. 

Rusty has those... PN: 617-589-08-21-00

IIRC it was close to $300.




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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Any of them I have seen for sale is the 2 led deal. I have the locking tool 
for R/R of the ip, but thats it.

---
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
>> Whats the other one with the engine running?  I have not looked at/paid
>> attention to the tools used on the 60x engines too much.
>
> There is a little tong on a flywheel internal to the IP.  There is a
> little port on the side of the IP and when the tong is in the center of
> that port the engine should be at 15 ATDC.  The tong can be centered by
> the RIV tool, which has two "feelers" that go on either side of the
> tong.  There are two LEDs on the tool... when one is lit up you need to
> advance, when another is lit up you need to retard, when both are lit up
> the engine is timed correctly.  Hope that made sense... my terminology
> is horrible.
>
> The dynamic tool puts a sensor in that port instead of the "feelers"
> (similar to an ABS sensor).  You also have to hook up the tach signal,
> etc.  This not only checks the basic timing, but can check the timing
> advance device (since you can change the RPMs etc).  I've never actually
> seen one of these tools except in the MB manual.
>
> John
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

Head bolt tool, pre-chamber knockout tool, and timing chain slide rail puller.

Luther

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:03:21 -0600, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Luther wrote:
>> Was a one time/used sale from a list member.  Included the other
>> tools needed to do the OM60x head R&R.
>
> Oh well...   How many other tools did you need to do the head job?
>


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[John Robbins]

Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
> Whats the other one with the engine running?  I have not looked at/paid 
> attention to the tools used on the 60x engines too much.

There is a little tong on a flywheel internal to the IP.  There is a 
little port on the side of the IP and when the tong is in the center of 
that port the engine should be at 15 ATDC.  The tong can be centered by 
the RIV tool, which has two "feelers" that go on either side of the 
tong.  There are two LEDs on the tool... when one is lit up you need to 
advance, when another is lit up you need to retard, when both are lit up 
the engine is timed correctly.  Hope that made sense... my terminology 
is horrible.

The dynamic tool puts a sensor in that port instead of the "feelers" 
(similar to an ABS sensor).  You also have to hook up the tach signal, 
etc.  This not only checks the basic timing, but can check the timing 
advance device (since you can change the RPMs etc).  I've never actually 
seen one of these tools except in the MB manual.

John


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

Maybe we can work out a long-term loan...

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:05:16 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I have 3 60x head jobs to do in the near future.  I need the tool, bad.  I
> need to find one.
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP
>
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Whats the other one with the engine running?  I have not looked at/paid 
attention to the tools used on the 60x engines too much.

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
>> I need to get one badly, as many of these thigns as I work on, I do for
>> sure.
>
> You can get the RIV tool from Rusty (the one where you time it with the
> engine off).  It was less than $300 I think.  It is really expensive for
> what it is though...
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

I have 3 60x head jobs to do in the near future.  I need the tool, bad.  I 
need to find one.

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Was a one time/used sale from a list member.  Included the other tools 
> needed to do the OM60x head R&R.
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:50:25 -0600, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>
>> Luther wrote:
>>> My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.
>>
>> Is it the fully electronic dynamic (with engine running) tester?  Does
>> your source have any more?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[John Robbins]

Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
> I need to get one badly, as many of these thigns as I work on, I do for 
> sure.

You can get the RIV tool from Rusty (the one where you time it with the 
engine off).  It was less than $300 I think.  It is really expensive for 
what it is though...

John


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[John Robbins]

Luther wrote:
> Was a one time/used sale from a list member.  Included the other
> tools needed to do the OM60x head R&R.

Oh well...   How many other tools did you need to do the head job?


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

Was a one time/used sale from a list member.  Included the other tools needed 
to do the OM60x head R&R.


On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:50:25 -0600, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Luther wrote:
>> My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.
>
> Is it the fully electronic dynamic (with engine running) tester?  Does
> your source have any more?
>
> John
>
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

I need to get one badly, as many of these thigns as I work on, I do for 
sure.

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Luther wrote:
>> My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.
>
> Is it the fully electronic dynamic (with engine running) tester?  Does
> your source have any more?
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[John Robbins]

Luther wrote:
> My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.

Is it the fully electronic dynamic (with engine running) tester?  Does 
your source have any more?

John


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Well if anybody finds one for sale, let me know.

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:18:29 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Where did yuo get that?  I need to get one of those
>>
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP
>>
>>
>>> Electronic.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:58:19 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> you have the timing tool?
>>>>
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>>>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

My source is sealed, but it was a great deal.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:18:29 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Where did yuo get that?  I need to get one of those
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP
>
>
>> Electronic.
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:58:19 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> you have the timing tool?
>>>
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>>>


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

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Where did yuo get that?  I need to get one of those

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Electronic.
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:58:19 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> you have the timing tool?
>>
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>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP
>>
>>
>>> Did I need to loan you that too??  Geeze.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:42:43 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well got that rebuilt IP installed, and it fired right up.  It is
>>>> however missing and I have too much smoke (blue/grey)  Was idling
>>>> perfect with the old pump and no smoke.  Im going to assume its not
>>>> timed exactly spot on.  Can I loosen the the bolts and adjust the pump 
>>>> a
>>>> little while its running to see if it will smooth out?  I do not have
>>>> the proper timing tool deal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

Electronic.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:58:19 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> you have the timing tool?
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP
>
>
>> Did I need to loan you that too??  Geeze.
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:42:43 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well got that rebuilt IP installed, and it fired right up.  It is
>>> however missing and I have too much smoke (blue/grey)  Was idling
>>> perfect with the old pump and no smoke.  Im going to assume its not
>>> timed exactly spot on.  Can I loosen the the bolts and adjust the pump a
>>> little while its running to see if it will smooth out?  I do not have
>>> the proper timing tool deal.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
>> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
>> '82 300CD (166 kmi)
>> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

you have the timing tool?

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP


> Did I need to loan you that too??  Geeze.
>
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:42:43 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>
>> Well got that rebuilt IP installed, and it fired right up.  It is
>> however missing and I have too much smoke (blue/grey)  Was idling
>> perfect with the old pump and no smoke.  Im going to assume its not
>> timed exactly spot on.  Can I loosen the the bolts and adjust the pump a
>> little while its running to see if it will smooth out?  I do not have
>> the proper timing tool deal.
>
>
>
> -- 
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> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Luther]

Did I need to loan you that too??  Geeze.

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:42:43 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well got that rebuilt IP installed, and it fired right up.  It is
> however missing and I have too much smoke (blue/grey)  Was idling
> perfect with the old pump and no smoke.  Im going to assume its not
> timed exactly spot on.  Can I loosen the the bolts and adjust the pump a
> little while its running to see if it will smooth out?  I do not have
> the proper timing tool deal.



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, I  had it a 15 ATDC.  How do I check to see if the timer is set 
properly?  This is my first outing with a IP deal.

Peter Frederick wrote:
> 15 ATDC, not BTDC.  The actual injection starts at 24 or 26 BTDC, just 
> like the older injection pumps, but the nipple on the governor drive 
> were the locking tool fits lines up with the tool at 15 ATDC.
> 
> Make sure the pump is NOT 180 degrees out -- they will actually run 
> that way (fuel sprayed in at TDC on the intake stroke), but not very 
> well, lots of noise and smoke with very little power.  Sorta like 
> serious spark knock, as it ignites too early.  This is a known problem 
> on older pumps, for a period the markings on the spline were off 
> backwards on some  pumps.  Should only lock properly at one position, 
> but I suspect you can screw the tool in and hold it on the back side of 
> the governor drive, too (no "nipple" but pressure will hold it).
> 
> Otherwise, check to make sure the pump fit in corectly and that the 
> injection timer is set properly.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Peter Frederick]

15 ATDC, not BTDC.  The actual injection starts at 24 or 26 BTDC, just 
like the older injection pumps, but the nipple on the governor drive 
were the locking tool fits lines up with the tool at 15 ATDC.

Make sure the pump is NOT 180 degrees out -- they will actually run 
that way (fuel sprayed in at TDC on the intake stroke), but not very 
well, lots of noise and smoke with very little power.  Sorta like 
serious spark knock, as it ignites too early.  This is a known problem 
on older pumps, for a period the markings on the spline were off 
backwards on some  pumps.  Should only lock properly at one position, 
but I suspect you can screw the tool in and hold it on the back side of 
the governor drive, too (no "nipple" but pressure will hold it).

Otherwise, check to make sure the pump fit in corectly and that the 
injection timer is set properly.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its loud and smoky, before its was quiet and smooth.  As I mentioned it 
is missing, I loosened each line and I was not really able to say it was 
coming from any certain cylinder, so thats why Im thinking the timing 
has to be off.  I did have it locked with the tool, and the engine 
sitting at 15( think its 15).

Peter Frederick wrote:
> I don't see why not, they are adjusted that way with the electronic 
> tool!
> 
> Lots of noise or very quiet and smoky?  If you run it til it warms up, 
> late timing will give you excessive smoke at high speeds but quiet 
> idle, too fast will give you excessive idle noise warm and smoke at low 
> speeds, typically.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo IP

[Peter Frederick]

I don't see why not, they are adjusted that way with the electronic 
tool!

Lots of noise or very quiet and smoky?  If you run it til it warms up, 
late timing will give you excessive smoke at high speeds but quiet 
idle, too fast will give you excessive idle noise warm and smoke at low 
speeds, typically.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[andrew strasfogel]

the little old lady drove 202 k miles since the car was new...

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

With headlights on, activate windshield washer

Sunil Hari wrote:


I'm pretty sure that the gassers got the headlight wipers standard, but the
diesels had them as an option that no one paid for.

My 92 300D doesn't have them either, and it was bought in Cincinnati.

Question:  if you have them, how do you turn them on?  I test drove one and
looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch.


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The headlight wipers was an option actually.  I have seen quite a few 
without them.  In fact, more without than with.


Werner Fehlauer wrote:

Looks like a decent car, although the description is slightly in error - 
these cars typically came with MBTex, not leather and the window sticker 
confirms that it is MBTex.  Also, the seller states that the cruise is inop, 
which should be readily fixable yet with all the work that has been done, 
this isn't taken care of?  Curious.
Last item is that it is very doubtful that the car gets 35 mpg, especially 
with a college age driver.  More typical is 30-32, so with these small 
inconsistencies, I would be careful with this seller.  Oh, also unusual is 
the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) 
that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal 
pipeline of imports by MBUSA.

Wonder what his "reserve" really is?

Werner


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Tony Wirtel]

My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either -  I read somewhere (maybe
on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more
expensive models -


My understanding- headlight wipers were standard on the 300e, didn't
come on the 2.6 liter models like mine.  That's fine, makes life
easier when pitching the crappy headlights and replacing with euros!

Then there were the 94/95 e320s; I *think* they were made optional in
'95 when a bunch of stuff was removed as standard equipment.

Tony Wirtel

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[OK Don]

On my '87 SDL, they turn on when the headlights are on, and you
activate the windshield washer. - They only turn on when they might be
needed - no special switch - totally transparent operation - good MB
engineering!


Question:  if you have them, how do you turn them on?  I test drove one and
looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch.



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Larry, 
I have wondered about that-as I posted a bit ago. My 90 doesn't have the
headlight washers but John Peterson's 91-identical car-has the headlight
washers. I wondered if it was model year change-seems not.  And yes MB tex.
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI

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My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either -  I read somewhere (maybe 
on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more 
expensive models -

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> FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a
> normal channel car.
>
>> Oh, also unusual is
>> the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine)
>> that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal
>> pipeline of imports by MBUSA.
>
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> sit there."
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Werner,
You're correct on the mpg -I get about 31-32 on my 90 300D 2.5t.  Mine does
not have the headlight washers-but most I see around seem to.  
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI.  More typical is 30-32, so with these small 
inconsistencies, I would be careful with this seller.  Oh, also unusual is 
the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine) 
that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal 
pipeline of imports by MBUSA.
Wonder what his "reserve" really is?

Werner


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[LarryT]

My 91 doesn;t have the headlight washers either -  I read somewhere (maybe 
on the CarFax?) - they were optional on diesels - standard on the more 
expensive models -


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo



FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a
normal channel car.


Oh, also unusual is
the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine)
that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal
pipeline of imports by MBUSA.


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Sunil Hari]

I'm pretty sure that the gassers got the headlight wipers standard, but the
diesels had them as an option that no one paid for.

My 92 300D doesn't have them either, and it was bought in Cincinnati.

Question:  if you have them, how do you turn them on?  I test drove one and
looked like an idiot when I couldn't find the switch.

On 1/1/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Don - You're probably correct, although I often get comments like "where
are
the washer/wipers?" - and every one of the '90-'93 124s around here do
have
the wipers.  I just assumed that this may have been a special order by
MBUSA.  The car had never been titled, so it appears as if I'm the
original
purchaser, although the car had about 11k miles on it when I got it (at a
good discount!).
But getting back to the Florida blue 2.5 - I have to wonder if the front
has
been in a fender bender, what with the broken headlight knob, the need for
replacement of the grill, replacement of the A/C condenser, etc.  Lots of
little inconsistencies, and that's just from the sketchy info in the Ebay
ad.
Werner
'90 300D, '83 300SD, '87 F150 4x4

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Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:06 PM
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> FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a
> normal channel car.
>
>> Oh, also unusual is
>> the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90
(mine)
>> that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal
>> pipeline of imports by MBUSA.
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
> "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
> sit there."
> Will Rogers
> '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[Werner Fehlauer]

Don - You're probably correct, although I often get comments like "where are 
the washer/wipers?" - and every one of the '90-'93 124s around here do have 
the wipers.  I just assumed that this may have been a special order by 
MBUSA.  The car had never been titled, so it appears as if I'm the original 
purchaser, although the car had about 11k miles on it when I got it (at a 
good discount!).
But getting back to the Florida blue 2.5 - I have to wonder if the front has 
been in a fender bender, what with the broken headlight knob, the need for 
replacement of the grill, replacement of the A/C condenser, etc.  Lots of 
little inconsistencies, and that's just from the sketchy info in the Ebay 
ad.

Werner
'90 300D, '83 300SD, '87 F150 4x4

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo



FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a
normal channel car.


Oh, also unusual is
the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine)
that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal
pipeline of imports by MBUSA.


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sit there."
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'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo

[OK Don]

FWIW - my '90 doesn't have headlight washers either. I think it's a
normal channel car.


Oh, also unusual is
the lack of headlight washers, which so far I've only seen one '90 (mine)
that did not have them, but mine was a "zone car" so not in the normal
pipeline of imports by MBUSA.


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[John W. Reames III]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> not had any trouble before.  When we had our big snow storm, I started 
> it up that thursday to move it around a bit, then it sat till the next 
> monday.  When I tried to start it then it was dead as a doornail. 
> Figured the cold and it sitting drained the battery.  Charged it up this 
> past Sunday and it was fine.  Its been sitting since then and now 
> battery is dead again.  Maybe I didnt get it charged all the way the 
> first time, I hope.  If something went wrong somewhere causing the 
> battery to drain, it must have been something happen when it was real 
> cold here and I started it up to thaw it out etc.  No, dont think the 
> glow plug relay is stuck on.

How about that damnable alarm module? Mine went south (300sd) and sucked a 
good solid 1.5A constantly. Same symptom. I recommend the overhand 
technique for dealing with it.

-j.

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo, back together

[OK Don]

I went to Lowes and got Rustoleum primer, and some silver. Turned out
that the silver was "bright", and the directions stated that "bright"
is not for outdoors use. Since I do plan on leaving these wheels
outside, I then sprayed them with two coats of clear - Krylon I think
- that reduced the "bright" to normal silver.

On 12/18/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What did you use to paint them?



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo, back together

[OK Don]

Congrats! It will be a really nice car when you're through. The wheels
are a nice new silver color now - just need to get tires this week,
and I'll be ready to drive the SLC --- let me know when you're ready
for me to come up and test drive the other '91300D2.5.

On 12/17/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well replacing #3 glowplug with manifold in place went alot easier than
#2.  I think I will be able to replace any of the 1-5 with the manifold
in place now.  Next, moved on to replace the oil pressure sending unit
since the guage pegs as soon as the key is turned on.  Tried 3 different
ones and same problem.  OK, so I check the wire.  It appears to be cut
off somewhere in the loom of wire by the starter up to the firewall.  I
just splice in a new section of wire and its good to go.  Now the car
fires up and runs smooth as silk from cold.  Next, head to town to wash
it for the first time since I got it from Todd.  Had all that snow crap,
salt etc all over it.  Now its clean.   Removing the floor mats, cant
believe how nasty the carpet is.  This car needs to go to the detail
shop.  On the way home while dark, since it was cleaned, those euro
lights sure light up quite a bit better than with all the grime on them!!
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[kevin kraly]

Was the charger unplugged?  Cables hooked up in reverse?

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 264K miles, Ursula

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, and my light stuck off I think.

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:21:20 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the 
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem. 
 Anybody care to guess what it was?



A light stuck on somewhere.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:21:20 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the 
> battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem. 
>   Anybody care to guess what it was?

A light stuck on somewhere.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

dome light

Mitch Haley wrote:



"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:


Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
 Anybody care to guess what it was?



Exterior lights or interior lights?


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
> battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
>   Anybody care to guess what it was?

Exterior lights or interior lights?

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well the car has not been driven, and I have only been outside in the 
daylight.


Luther wrote:

moron.  I can see running it down once, but twice IN A ROW?  That's horrible.

z



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Rick Knoble]

Funny that leaving the lights on might run the battery down, eh?

Not that I've never done anything like that.


Left my radar detector on with the car parked for two days. They will kill a 
battery too.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Luther]

moron.  I can see running it down once, but twice IN A ROW?  That's horrible.

z

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:35:53 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> bingo
>
> E M wrote:
>
>> left the interior light on?
>> Zeb :-)
>>
>> On 15/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
>>> battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
>>>  Anybody care to guess what it was?
>>>
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>>
>>>
 thanks

 Peter Frederick wrote:


> Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.
>
> You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad
> and pulls about an amp.
>
> Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.
>
> Peter
>
>

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahaha

Peter Frederick wrote:


Funny that leaving the lights on might run the battery down, eh?

Not that I've never done anything like that.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Peter Frederick]

Funny that leaving the lights on might run the battery down, eh?

Not that I've never done anything like that.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

bingo

E M wrote:


left the interior light on?
Zeb :-)

On 15/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
 Anybody care to guess what it was?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



thanks

Peter Frederick wrote:



Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.

You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad
and pulls about an amp.

Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[E M]

left the interior light on?
Zeb :-)

On 15/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
  Anybody care to guess what it was?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> thanks
>
> Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>>Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.
>>
>>You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad
>>and pulls about an amp.
>>
>>Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.
>>
>>Peter
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  (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2,
  81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the 
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem. 
 Anybody care to guess what it was?


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


thanks

Peter Frederick wrote:


Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.

You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad 
and pulls about an amp.


Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.

Peter


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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thanks

Peter Frederick wrote:

Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.

You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad 
and pulls about an amp.


Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.

Peter


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 (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Rory]

Here is an old trick I use to see if there is a drain on the battery if you
don't have an amp meter, just hook a 12v bulb in series with positive cable
then to the battery if it glows real bright you have a load that's pulling
down your battery. A dim glow might be clock running or memory in the radio.


Rory

On 12/15/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well I tore into the 2.5 turbo to replace a couple of glow plugs, but
have not got it back together yet. No bid deal, I will just drive the
SDL to work tomorrow. I decided to make sure its not dead just now and
sure enough it is.  Battery dead.  Wierd.  Battery is brand new, I have
not had any trouble before.  When we had our big snow storm, I started
it up that thursday to move it around a bit, then it sat till the next
monday.  When I tried to start it then it was dead as a doornail.
Figured the cold and it sitting drained the battery.  Charged it up this
past Sunday and it was fine.  Its been sitting since then and now
battery is dead again.  Maybe I didnt get it charged all the way the
first time, I hope.  If something went wrong somewhere causing the
battery to drain, it must have been something happen when it was real
cold here and I started it up to thaw it out etc.  No, dont think the
glow plug relay is stuck on.
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  (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2,
  81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[Peter Frederick]

Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.

You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad 
and pulls about an amp.


Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.

Peter