Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
BTW, does MB mention anything about re-torquing the head bolts on those engines? They may call for re-torquing after a rebuild i.e. a valve job etc. , and putting 100 miles or so on them, but for a original engine i haven't seen anything suggesting such. Just wondering why head gaskets lets go after many miles of service... I know, stuff happens) ;-) Larry On 7/15/2013 12:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep; thanks. I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was headed up fast when I shut it down. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news And just when you got it on the road again!!! Sorry! :-( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
'Never heard anything about it from MB tech who did the work on it 17 years and 115 kmi ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news BTW, does MB mention anything about re-torquing the head bolts on those engines? They may call for re-torquing after a rebuild i.e. a valve job etc. , and putting 100 miles or so on them, but for a original engine i haven't seen anything suggesting such. Just wondering why head gaskets lets go after many miles of service... I know, stuff happens) ;-) Larry On 7/15/2013 12:16 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep; thanks. I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was headed up fast when I shut it down. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news And just when you got it on the road again!!! Sorry! :-( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup. Havoline never caused problems in my experience. As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent intervals for a while. I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a block or two and shut off. (severe duty) If the car has that kind of history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice. I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in the crankcase for any purpose. Bardahl and Rislone used to make additives for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use either in a modern MB with the current tight tolerances. YMMV Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
yes This was for Kaleb and Mao On Jul 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:41:08 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I do not have a shop or large enough garage. We can get the job done with in the driveway or street. I have ramps, jacks, and stands. A reasonable set of tools on hand. Pretty sure we can do the job, as long as you take the lead. Did you write this to Wilton (the originator of the thread)? If so, he's on the other coast Otherwise, quote the sender's name along with the text. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
Ditto -- find a quality oil and forget the snake oils - be patient - I have heard about gunk buildupin Quaker State Oils but that's just anecdotal.. I have started using Amsoil and have been happy with it... speaking of which, it's time for an analysis... ;-) Larry On 7/22/2013 12:28 PM, Dieselhead wrote: For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup. Havoline never caused problems in my experience. As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent intervals for a while. I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a block or two and shut off. (severe duty) If the car has that kind of history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice. I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in the crankcase for any purpose. Bardahl and Rislone used to make additives for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use either in a modern MB with the current tight tolerances. YMMV Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Oh, it runs and seems to run nicely; 'fraid to run it so much, though, with fuel in the oil. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: '91 350SDL bad news Let me discuss with Max and see what we might come up with. I would be inclined to see what it would take to fix it, try that, then you could make a decision on selling it (and for more if we could get it running) or something. The idea that it is fuel and not coolant is interesting, but it is still loosing coolant right? I don't need another car (and mama would likely make me live in it) but being fairly close by and have access to parts to potentially fix it (Tim) I have this itch --R On 7/21/13 2:17 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, Tim, thank you for your concern and efforts on my behalf; they are sincerely appreciated, but considering my overall situation with the car - its lack of use, my physical impairments that affect my ability to properly care for it as I would like, etc., related more fully in an accompanying, related post, I've decided to let it go. Meanwhile, the additional stuff in the oil appears more likely to be fuel; 'have not been able to confirm coolant - head may be OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com; Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net; Tim Crone t...@crone.us Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Let me talk to Max about this, maybe we can figure something out to get your car sorted if indeed it is the head. I actually don't need another car (and my wife would say I don't need all I have) so that is a consideration. Although a long 126 has some appeal... But I feel badly about your car, and if it is the head, maybe we could get Tim's and do a swap some weekend and see if that sorts it out. I am going to CH/Gboro end of the month, and sometime after that will drive the gold SD up to swap with the ivory SD, so somewhere in there might be able to pull Tim's head or check out that car or something, figure out how to get yours sorted. I am thinking it can't be that hard if a couple of us worked on it diligently (with appropriate supervision and provisions). --R On 7/17/13 9:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Tim Crone in Durham says he also has a #22 head. BTW, Rich, how 'bout putting your '84 300D engine in my SDL if necessary? I'd bet that'd make a mighty fine car. Engine from an '87 300D or SD/SDL could be mighty fine, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
A little off topic The w220 is one of the new, long period lubrication engines. Previous cars got regular oil swaps between 3-6k miles. They probably got driven a bit more as well. I never noticed sludge, except on Gump after the cam tower broke and I stopped driving it. A few month later the sludge covered the cam lobes. I got the S430 with 104k miles and around 800 miles until it wanted an A service. Drove it for 1200 miles before the oil change. Before the trip (SEA to DEN in 20 hours) I removed the filler cap and found some thick sludge like crap. I thought the trip would thin it out. Service B is in 8k miles. I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Should I use a SeaFoam or other cleaner in 3k and change the oil? Will that cut through the sludge? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Larry T wrote: I'll send you a kit -- are you still at the same address? Please keep the crankcase attached to the engine til you can run it about 3 or 4 minutes so the fuel can circulate andany contamination can be suspended in the oil. Leaving the case on with the oil in it allows the engine to start and also keeps the oil as is until you get the kit and can put a few ounces directly from the crankcase to the provided bottle.Using any other container can contaminate the sample and it may be a waste of time/money.I'll put the kit in the mail Monday - IIRC you live pretty close to me - should have the kit Wed or Thurs I think. How's that sound? I'll send you a invoice later next week and you can send a Paypal payment or call/email me with a credit card. A single Kits are a $21.95 plus shipping.3 Kit Packs are a little cheaper more are cheaper still...I hate to bring up payment as I know what kind of expense you will face if you intend to keep that MB! I'm having trouble finding your last invoice or analysis report -what is your full name please? Take care -- Larry 91 300D On 7/19/2013 10:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
I do not have a shop or large enough garage. We can get the job done with in the driveway or street. I have ramps, jacks, and stands. A reasonable set of tools on hand. Pretty sure we can do the job, as long as you take the lead. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote: clay wrote: I need you to send a trailer or maybe come out and replace the strut and drive back to okie land. I have no space to park it long term. Take it home for $1500 Roadtrip? oneway amtrak to SEA, one way amtrak from OKC All I need is someone to do the strut. You and me do strut? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and try it a bit again tomorrow. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Oh, it runs and seems to run nicely; 'fraid to run it so much, though, with fuel in the oil. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: '91 350SDL bad news Let me discuss with Max and see what we might come up with. I would be inclined to see what it would take to fix it, try that, then you could make a decision on selling it (and for more if we could get it running) or something. The idea that it is fuel and not coolant is interesting, but it is still loosing coolant right? I don't need another car (and mama would likely make me live in it) but being fairly close by and have access to parts to potentially fix it (Tim) I have this itch --R On 7/21/13 2:17 PM, WILTON wrote: Rich, Max, Tim, thank you for your concern and efforts on my behalf; they are sincerely appreciated, but considering my overall situation with the car - its lack of use, my physical impairments that affect my ability to properly care for it as I would like, etc., related more fully in an accompanying, related post, I've decided to let it go. Meanwhile, the additional stuff in the oil appears more likely to be fuel; 'have not been able to confirm coolant - head may be OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com; Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net; Tim Crone t...@crone.us Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Let me talk to Max about this, maybe we can figure something out to get your car sorted if indeed it is the head. I actually don't need another car (and my wife would say I don't need all I have) so that is a consideration. Although a long 126 has some appeal... But I feel badly about your car, and if it is the head, maybe we could get Tim's and do a swap some weekend and see if that sorts it out. I am going to CH/Gboro end of the month, and sometime after that will drive the gold SD up to swap with the ivory SD, so somewhere in there might be able to pull Tim's head or check out that car or something, figure out how to get yours sorted. I am thinking it can't be that hard if a couple of us worked on it diligently (with appropriate supervision and provisions). --R On 7/17/13 9:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Tim Crone in Durham says he also has a #22 head. BTW, Rich, how 'bout putting your '84 300D engine in my SDL if necessary? I'd bet that'd make a mighty fine car. Engine from an '87 300D or SD/SDL could be mighty fine, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
I've always waited till the engine was a quart low and nice and warmed up after a long run. Then add one quart of diesel fuel and let run for 15 min or so then drain and do the normal oil change. Don't know how much gunk it will get rid of since I've never had any but it does keep things clean in the engine. Manfred Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:35:53 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net A little off topic The w220 is one of the new, long period lubrication engines. Previous cars got regular oil swaps between 3-6k miles. They probably got driven a bit more as well. I never noticed sludge, except on Gump after the cam tower broke and I stopped driving it. A few month later the sludge covered the cam lobes. I got the S430 with 104k miles and around 800 miles until it wanted an A service. Drove it for 1200 miles before the oil change. Before the trip (SEA to DEN in 20 hours) I removed the filler cap and found some thick sludge like crap. I thought the trip would thin it out. Service B is in 8k miles. I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Should I use a SeaFoam or other cleaner in 3k and change the oil? Will that cut through the sludge? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
clay wrote: I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Shell Helix Ultra is 229.5 oil. Anything else Shell is probably crap. I'd put the right stuff in and change it every 5k until the sludge is gone. Back in the 1980s I worked for a Saab indy who liked to dump a quart of fuel oil in for a flush, but I'd be hesitant to run an engine with such specific oil requirements as my E320 on a mix of failed motor oil and diesel even for a few minutes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
The shell stuff is what Big O lists. They had to order out for it. Moving to M1 on the next change. I might do a brake cleaner blast at the fill port. Cleaning the gunk from the fill hole will ease my mind. Give it a hot run, use the lubro moly product, spray the cleaner to wash the crap down. Drain it and fill with known good. clay On Jul 21, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: clay wrote: I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Shell Helix Ultra is 229.5 oil. Anything else Shell is probably crap. I'd put the right stuff in and change it every 5k until the sludge is gone. Back in the 1980s I worked for a Saab indy who liked to dump a quart of fuel oil in for a flush, but I'd be hesitant to run an engine with such specific oil requirements as my E320 on a mix of failed motor oil and diesel even for a few minutes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: I do not have a shop or large enough garage. We can get the job done with in the driveway or street. I have ramps, jacks, and stands. A reasonable set of tools on hand. Pretty sure we can do the job, as long as you take the lead. Now all we gotta get is Kaleb to pony up purchase price and transit and food for driver. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:41:08 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I do not have a shop or large enough garage. We can get the job done with in the driveway or street. I have ramps, jacks, and stands. A reasonable set of tools on hand. Pretty sure we can do the job, as long as you take the lead. Did you write this to Wilton (the originator of the thread)? If so, he's on the other coast Otherwise, quote the sender's name along with the text. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
The lower half of the IP is oiled by the engine oil system. If the seals on the plungers fail, it's quite possible for fuel to get into the oil, usually with bad results. Cure is replacement or rebuild of IP. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I need you to send a trailer or maybe come out and replace the strut and drive back to okie land. I have no space to park it long term. Take it home for $1500 clay On Jul 19, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I need that car if you want to get rid of it let me know Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: maybe you can hook up my OM606. Need to find it a new home. Biggest issue at the moment is to reconstruct suspension on the driver side. Then toss sheet metal at it. Suspension trouble is what keeps it from being a driver clay On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:53 PM, WILTON wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
I'll send you a kit -- are you still at the same address? Please keep the crankcase attached to the engine til you can run it about 3 or 4 minutes so the fuel can circulate andany contamination can be suspended in the oil. Leaving the case on with the oil in it allows the engine to start and also keeps the oil as is until you get the kit and can put a few ounces directly from the crankcase to the provided bottle.Using any other container can contaminate the sample and it may be a waste of time/money.I'll put the kit in the mail Monday - IIRC you live pretty close to me - should have the kit Wed or Thurs I think. How's that sound? I'll send you a invoice later next week and you can send a Paypal payment or call/email me with a credit card. A single Kits are a $21.95 plus shipping.3 Kit Packs are a little cheaper more are cheaper still...I hate to bring up payment as I know what kind of expense you will face if you intend to keep that MB! I'm having trouble finding your last invoice or analysis report -what is your full name please? Take care -- Larry 91 300D On 7/19/2013 10:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: I need you to send a trailer or maybe come out and replace the strut and drive back to okie land. I have no space to park it long term. Take it home for $1500 Roadtrip? oneway amtrak to SEA, one way amtrak from OKC All I need is someone to do the strut. You and me do strut? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
Hold up on sending the kit, Larry, I'm gonna do some deep thinking about the entire situation overnight. Maybe, I can make a decision by late morning. 'Sorry to be so wishy-washy. BTW, You haven't done an analysis for me before. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION) I'll send you a kit -- are you still at the same address? Please keep the crankcase attached to the engine til you can run it about 3 or 4 minutes so the fuel can circulate andany contamination can be suspended in the oil. Leaving the case on with the oil in it allows the engine to start and also keeps the oil as is until you get the kit and can put a few ounces directly from the crankcase to the provided bottle.Using any other container can contaminate the sample and it may be a waste of time/money. I'll put the kit in the mail Monday - IIRC you live pretty close to me - should have the kit Wed or Thurs I think. How's that sound? I'll send you a invoice later next week and you can send a Paypal payment or call/email me with a credit card. A single Kits are a $21.95 plus shipping.3 Kit Packs are a little cheaper more are cheaper still...I hate to bring up payment as I know what kind of expense you will face if you intend to keep that MB! I'm having trouble finding your last invoice or analysis report -what is your full name please? Take care -- Larry 91 300D On 7/19/2013 10:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Scott wrote: I suspect the lift pump can also fail in such a way fuel would get into the oil. I know this is true for some designs and may be true of the MBZ design too. It can on the OM616/OM617. The lift pump attaches over a hole in the crankcase. I have never had one leak - but it could. I have no data on the newer engine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
maybe you can hook up my OM606. Need to find it a new home. Biggest issue at the moment is to reconstruct suspension on the driver side. Then toss sheet metal at it. Suspension trouble is what keeps it from being a driver clay On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:53 PM, WILTON wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
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I need that car if you want to get rid of it let me know Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: maybe you can hook up my OM606. Need to find it a new home. Biggest issue at the moment is to reconstruct suspension on the driver side. Then toss sheet metal at it. Suspension trouble is what keeps it from being a driver clay On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:53 PM, WILTON wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
I think if you let it go you'll regret it... Do you have a plumbers torch? Take a sample of the oil, put it on a rock or metal plate or something and hit it with the torch. If its got water in it you should hear a crackle as the water boils off... -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:27:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Message-ID: 700A110D1C194144BBE0887F6B1EFC65@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I suspect the lift pump can also fail in such a way fuel would get into the oil. I know this is true for some designs and may be true of the MBZ design too. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 10:27 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow tank was under excessive (yes, excessive) pressure when I removed cap the day I found it empty. What about firmness of upper rad hose? Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. BTW, car starts with just touch of starter and idles nicely. Coupla days ago, after the missing coolant incident, it started instantly but ran roughly and haltingly for few seconds then smoothed out. 'Gonna remove the diluted oil and put some new oil in so I can drive it a bit. Larry, whatdya need for oil analysis? I'm still leaning toward letting 'er go; y'all prepare your bids. ;) BTW, tranny rebuilt 4 or 5 years ago; cruise and climate controls work nicely - blows ICE COLD, no rust. :) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Isn't the IP the only place where oil and fuel are in close proximity? Somebody 'splain their separation (or lack thereof) in the IP. Lift pump? Fuel return hose accidentally plumbed into the oil system? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jul 19, 2013 7:27 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). I'm with Curt--try setting some of it on fire (safely, of course). That will tell you soon enough whether the dilutant is coolant or duel. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wouldn't fuel be pretty easy to detect by smell? Take a little pinch between the fingers and give it a sniff. I feel its a shame to not fix this car... -Curt Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:36:38 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Message-ID: 20130717113638.5435e8d2c91ec4e506d6e...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:14:18 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'My thoughts, too, on possible fuel in the oil; 'does look more like fuel than water. Sounds like it is time to send an oil sample to Larry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Working on figuring it out. Dum Spiro Spero --R On 7/18/13 10:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy That evapectomy showed real perseverance. OTOH, he was able to do that under cover of the car's roof and his kitchen ceiling, without renting any lifting equipment. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 18/07/2013 10:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy That evapectomy showed real perseverance. OTOH, he was able to do that under cover of the car's roof and his kitchen ceiling, without renting any lifting equipment. Mitch. ___ Still hoping it is not a head gasket or head, and suggesting that if it is, he may want to invest the cost of repair anyway. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Especially without a little more investigation... LarryT On 7/18/2013 11:26 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What Rich said. We're all southern gentlemen, nobody is going to go home disappointed. :) Best, Tim On Jul 18, 2013 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Working on figuring it out. Dum Spiro Spero --R On 7/18/13 10:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jul 18, 2013 12:33 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: What Rich said. We're all southern gentlemen, nobody is going to go home disappointed. :) ...or, I should add, hungry. Even if no parts change hands. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I give up, it hasn't been so easily and quickly; 'been nursing this car for 17 ears - since timing chain broke at 89 kmi and I learned about the rod-bender 350's. To give up or to go quietly is very uncharacteristic of me, but sometimes ya need to fold 'em, to. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news On 18/07/2013 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, almost all of the evapectomy was sitting down (hot but with good fan); work on the box was even in a cooled environment. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Randy Bennell wrote: BUT, we are trying to persuade Wilton not to give up easily and dispose of a beautiful car for $500 (evn if someone else on the list) Randy That evapectomy showed real perseverance. OTOH, he was able to do that under cover of the car's roof and his kitchen ceiling, without renting any lifting equipment. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 10:58:36 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Working on figuring it out. Dum Spiro Spero While I breathe, I hope It is the state motto of South Carolina, adopted in 1776. Craig --R On 7/18/13 10:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I feel its a shame to not fix this car... I thought Rich and Max _were_ going to fix it, hence the offer of $500 + trailer? IIRC Rich has a replacement engine already lined up ready to go, or ready to donate its head if that's all that's needed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone Wow! Kaleb bids more than $500! What is the world coming to? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I already have a 22 head actually, no reason to take one off a perfectly good 603 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) Kaleb don lik no pedestrain 126. he b ridin lik prinzez di inna 140. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Tim Crone in Durham says he also has a #22 head. BTW, Rich, how 'bout putting your '84 300D engine in my SDL if necessary? I'd bet that'd make a mighty fine car. Engine from an '87 300D or SD/SDL could be mighty fine, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Well, actually, Tim lives in Chapel Hill now. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Tim Crone in Durham says he also has a #22 head. BTW, Rich, how 'bout putting your '84 300D engine in my SDL if necessary? I'd bet that'd make a mighty fine car. Engine from an '87 300D or SD/SDL could be mighty fine, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Let me suggest you are jumping to conclusions that have not been confirmed. I would think you should do a bit more of an analysis before you give up. Get the oil tested etc. Is the additional oil actually coolant or could it be diesel fuel? If the oil is not milky, I would want to have a closer look before I assumed it was coolant. Might there have been an air bubble in the coolant system such that it finally took up the fluid from the overflow resevoir? Finally, if the rest of the vehicle is nice and you like it, why not put another $5K in to fix it if you have to. Still a lot less expensive than buying another vehicle if you feel the need for 2. Just my 2 cents. Randy On 16/07/2013 9:42 PM, WILTON wrote: Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
'My thoughts, too, on possible fuel in the oil; 'does look more like fuel than water. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Let me suggest you are jumping to conclusions that have not been confirmed. I would think you should do a bit more of an analysis before you give up. Get the oil tested etc. Is the additional oil actually coolant or could it be diesel fuel? If the oil is not milky, I would want to have a closer look before I assumed it was coolant. Might there have been an air bubble in the coolant system such that it finally took up the fluid from the overflow resevoir? Finally, if the rest of the vehicle is nice and you like it, why not put another $5K in to fix it if you have to. Still a lot less expensive than buying another vehicle if you feel the need for 2. Just my 2 cents. Randy On 16/07/2013 9:42 PM, WILTON wrote: Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:14:18 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'My thoughts, too, on possible fuel in the oil; 'does look more like fuel than water. Sounds like it is time to send an oil sample to Larry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
On 17/07/2013 12:36 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:14:18 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'My thoughts, too, on possible fuel in the oil; 'does look more like fuel than water. Sounds like it is time to send an oil sample to Larry. Craig ___ Or at least pull the plug and drain it into something clean so you could further inspect it. I think I might do the plug rather than use the $2 oil sucker to see what comes out in what order. If there is no sign of milky stuff then I doubt there is coolant in it. If there is no milky oil, I might consider pouring in some new oil and driving it a bit to see if it does it again. My mechanic son was commenting on some tool they have at the shop that will tell him if there is evidence of combustion gases in the coolant too. You might find a shop that could test the coolant and tell you if there is any evidence of a leaking head gasket or crack. Never give up! You need to earn an attaboy Wilton. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
You're absolutely right WIlton -- don't think i could add anything to the observations you made! ;-) I guess at this point all you need to is find out if it's a gasket or cracked head. did the temperature ever get way high?? IMO a damaged head gasket is much more likely than a cracked head unless excess heat was involved - don't you agree? ;-) Good luck -- Larry On 7/16/2013 4:40 PM, WILTON wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
The engine from my 240D would make a, um... interesting 350SDL! ;-) LarryT On 7/17/2013 9:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Tim Crone in Durham says he also has a #22 head. BTW, Rich, how 'bout putting your '84 300D engine in my SDL if necessary? I'd bet that'd make a mighty fine car. Engine from an '87 300D or SD/SDL could be mighty fine, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Kaleb, if you had my SDL and Wilton's SDL, you could have a pretty sweet #22 head '91 SDL to drive Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/17/2013 7:01 AM, WILTON wrote: Do I sense a bidding war? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Good suggestions Randy! Also, when you compare what you'd have after putting $5K into a nice known SDL Vs buying some unknown from the local used car dealer for $5K. To me the risk is all on the side of a $5K unknown newbie. Of course, for $5k I could probably find a nice W124 diesel :-) but there would still be a bit of an unknown factor with that LarryT 91 300D On 7/17/2013 11:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Let me suggest you are jumping to conclusions that have not been confirmed. I would think you should do a bit more of an analysis before you give up. Get the oil tested etc. Is the additional oil actually coolant or could it be diesel fuel? If the oil is not milky, I would want to have a closer look before I assumed it was coolant. Might there have been an air bubble in the coolant system such that it finally took up the fluid from the overflow resevoir? Finally, if the rest of the vehicle is nice and you like it, why not put another $5K in to fix it if you have to. Still a lot less expensive than buying another vehicle if you feel the need for 2. Just my 2 cents. Randy On 16/07/2013 9:42 PM, WILTON wrote: Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
On Jul 15, 2013 12:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yep; thanks. I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was headed up fast when I shut it down. Sorry to hear that, I was hoping you had escaped. :( I still have the 603 with a 22 in my driveway, even has its own trailer (aka 87 300SDL body you wouldn't mind scrapping). The freeze plug should be easy with the IP off, or if you just took the head then it wouldn't matter. I am scouring CL for comps this morning so let me know, I would take an offer close to scrap price. And I have a hundred miles of towing through AAA... Best, Tim - Original Message - From: Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news And just when you got it on the road again!!! Sorry! :-( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
205 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news How many miles on the car? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I had that thought, too, 'bout the hose rupture; thought I would have some some evidence, discoloration, etc., in overflow tnk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. Those were my exact thoughts when Wilton posted the 2y/o hose rupture. I hope it's not using oil and that a new, updated gasket (possibly a new head too) will fix it without having to tear into the bottom end. If the car's good enough, it may be worth a total overhaul. Kevin in Laporte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
WILTON wrote: 205 kmi. A bit more than half of that on the current head gasket... But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? I'm guessing that unless the leak in the engine put pressure into the cooling system faster than the pressure cap could vent it, the failed hose caused the engine failure rather than the failed engine causing the hose to blow. By the time the gauge needle started swinging, the head was getting uneven heating from having air touching it in places and coolant in other places. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
Yep; head gasket and bunch of other stuff replaced at ~80 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news WILTON wrote: 205 kmi. A bit more than half of that on the current head gasket... But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? I'm guessing that unless the leak in the engine put pressure into the cooling system faster than the pressure cap could vent it, the failed hose caused the engine failure rather than the failed engine causing the hose to blow. By the time the gauge needle started swinging, the head was getting uneven heating from having air touching it in places and coolant in other places. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts
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I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
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Well, I've been having to add a bit of water/coolant for several weeks; haven't been driving it much for few months; hundred mile run 'bout every 3 or 4 weeks plus short trips/errands. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
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We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh dam, I've got a great #22 head on my SDL and would LOVE to have the '91 body ugh, too bad I have no garage space and a 2nd parking space adds $40/month. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/16/2013 8:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK; bring the trailer and $500, Max, too, if he wants to come. :) Wilton 618 Park Ave. Goldsboro, NC 27530 - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased volume/quantity of black oil - suddenly decreased quantity in cooling system; at same time, suddenly increased quantity in oil pan - car likely not driven long enough like this to foam it up. 'Drove it, maybe, 6 or 8 blocks, including idling few minutes at ATM, but didn't hafta wait in line. When I got home, coolant overflow tank was empty; no leaks evident; car sat overnight; woke up during night and decided that I should check oil level again; next morning, checked oil and found MUCH GREATER quantity in oil pan. Last time I drove it few days before, oil level was normal. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Does your oil have a cafe au lait appearance? If coolant is getting in there shouldn't it have that look? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: You probably missed the part where I said, Coolant overflow tank suddenly empty; oil level suddenly way up past midway the UPPER red tab on the dipstick - way above usual level half way between the two red tabs. 'Don't think I need a finer analysis than simple deduction to know that the extra stuff in the crankcase is the water missing from the cooling system. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Cold be either - one kinda of inexpensive while the other probably very expensive as only a replacement head will do. But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? If the car has not been driven much in a while it could be condensation as a outside chance. Unlikely but when a engine is not allowed to warm enough to force evaporate condensation it will have a grey gunk around the oil filler at times.But if a Oil Analysis was done and water was found over more than one Analysis with lots of driving between testing it is likely a head or gasket Since you are adding water but cannot find a leak it's possible the water is leaking onto a hot part of the engine and steaming off before you find it... Happened to me on a Chev years ago. Water was leaking from a gasket onto the manifold and I had a very hard time finding it. Of course of a Analysis test is done it will tell if there is Glycol present... ;-) LarryT '91 300D LarryT On 7/16/2013 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: But does water in the oil mean head gasket or cracked head? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
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Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will bring the trailer and more than $500. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Seriously, bring trailer, $500 and, possibly, Max; keep the 84 SD. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Seriously let me know. I could swap an 84 SD! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We may do that. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news I got a trailer and $500, can be there soon... I'll bring Max. --R On 7/16/13 9:46 PM, WILTON wrote: I don't plan to do any more to it. I'm not physically able to do much to it myself, and I'm not gonna pay a fortune for somebody else to do so. Wilton - Original Message - From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news Interesting. So do head gaskets fail suddenly rather than gradually in the rodbender scenarios? Could the fact that you caught it early have saved the engine from bending a rod? If I recall correctly the problem happens at no.1 cylinder. Will you do a compression test to confirm location at the cylinder? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:03 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, 'doesn't look foamy or cafe au lait - probably not in there with engine running long enough; merely looks like greatly increased ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ouch. I'll give you $500 for it --R On 7/15/13 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Like Rich says, ouch. You are probably in for a $3-4K bill, ballpark, to have an indy your trust put on a new head for you. The only upside to that is that it'll never happen again--the #22 heads are, from all evidence, a permanent fix to the problem--and while the head's off you can more easily do all kinds of other work that probably could stand doing, like resealing the IP, replacing all fuel lines, etc. The big question is, what kind of shape is the car in otherwise? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And just when you got it on the road again!!! Sorry! :-( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep; thanks. I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was headed up fast when I shut it down. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news And just when you got it on the road again!!! Sorry! :-( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tough luck, Wilton! Sorry to hear that. Hope it can be fixed for reasonable cost. Gerry [:o( On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5992 - Release Date: 07/15/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You always knew this was a possibility though... I wonder if the gasket was letting go when you had the hose failure. If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:30:17 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news Message-ID: EFD7E26428754C79B05722347FE1A068@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
Yep; 'my thoughts, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news You always knew this was a possibility though... I wonder if the gasket was letting go when you had the hose failure. If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:30:17 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news Message-ID: EFD7E26428754C79B05722347FE1A068@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for several weeks, though car hasn't been driven much. I fill it, go for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in overflow tank. No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too, which has been holding at about mid point on stick. Took it out for short drive coupla days ago. Coolant level light came on immediately as I backed out of its parking space. Checked coolant level upon return; overflow tank empty! No leak evident! Just went to car and checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!! I think I found the missing coolant!!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. Those were my exact thoughts when Wilton posted the 2y/o hose rupture. I hope it's not using oil and that a new, updated gasket (possibly a new head too) will fix it without having to tear into the bottom end. If the car's good enough, it may be worth a total overhaul. Kevin in Laporte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
I had that thought, too, 'bout the hose rupture; thought I would have some some evidence, discoloration, etc., in overflow tnk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. Those were my exact thoughts when Wilton posted the 2y/o hose rupture. I hope it's not using oil and that a new, updated gasket (possibly a new head too) will fix it without having to tear into the bottom end. If the car's good enough, it may be worth a total overhaul. Kevin in Laporte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news
How many miles on the car? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I had that thought, too, 'bout the hose rupture; thought I would have some some evidence, discoloration, etc., in overflow tnk. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news If combustion gas pressure was leaking into the cooling system it could easily have ruptured the hose. Those were my exact thoughts when Wilton posted the 2y/o hose rupture. I hope it's not using oil and that a new, updated gasket (possibly a new head too) will fix it without having to tear into the bottom end. If the car's good enough, it may be worth a total overhaul. Kevin in Laporte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
