Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
We never gave him the chance to exercise his sleaze gene. On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:47 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You should have pressed for the Trucoat > > --FT > > On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the > salesman > > quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. > The > > salesman was so stunned at our failure to bargain that he threw in a > > complimentary undercoating worth $75. That car served us well without > any > > major issues until we could afford our first Mercedes in 1982. > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:16 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and > CarMax > >> people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal > >> with the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of > >> the transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for > >> haggling. That and you can’t really do the Internet buying thing with > used > >> vehicles. > >> > >> Private party is definitely better, but involves more effort on my part > >> and has potentially more risk. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything > >> nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling > fees, > >> OK. So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc > fees > >> listed on the total price calculation. I pointed this out and the sales > >> guy was like weel you know that is kinda standard blahblah so I > >> said OK thanks for your time and we got up and walked out. Got in the > truck > >> and got settled, was backing out and here comes the sales guy running > out > >> and waving at me as I pull out of the parking spot. He's like hey I > worked > >> it out we can do the deal! And I say no thanks, we're done here, can't > >> trust you, we can find another car somewhere. So he starts begging no > no > >> no come on, it's OK, so I say OK give us a minute. So we sit there for > a > >> few minutes, the guy is pacing at the door, we go back in and he is all > >> apologetic, it was an error blahblah. Yeah sure how about a $100 > credit in > >> the swag store to make up for it and he is kinda shocked about that but > >> says yeah sure so we do the deal and go into the swag shop and pick out > a > >> few things that probably cost them $20. > >>> These people are just way too much. > >>> > >>> --FT > >>> > >>> On 2/14/21 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is > a > >> lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if > they > >> charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a > >> fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still > have to > >> charge it in the fees. > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond > >> wrote: > > > > When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years > ago > >> when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but > understood. > >> Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms > >> automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc > fee > >> continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't > >> shine. > > They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told > >> them it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even > >> blink... > > -Curt > > > > On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > >> Mercedes wrote: > > > > That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and > upfront > >> pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at > >> Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any > >> dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as > well. > > I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t > >> like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full > >> refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or > >> something. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. > >> One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a > >> dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., > >> etc. > >> Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts > >> about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
You should have pressed for the Trucoat --FT On 2/15/21 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The salesman was so stunned at our failure to bargain that he threw in a complimentary undercoating worth $75. That car served us well without any major issues until we could afford our first Mercedes in 1982. On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:16 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and CarMax people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal with the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of the transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for haggling. That and you can’t really do the Internet buying thing with used vehicles. Private party is definitely better, but involves more effort on my part and has potentially more risk. -D On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling fees, OK. So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc fees listed on the total price calculation. I pointed this out and the sales guy was like weel you know that is kinda standard blahblah so I said OK thanks for your time and we got up and walked out. Got in the truck and got settled, was backing out and here comes the sales guy running out and waving at me as I pull out of the parking spot. He's like hey I worked it out we can do the deal! And I say no thanks, we're done here, can't trust you, we can find another car somewhere. So he starts begging no no no come on, it's OK, so I say OK give us a minute. So we sit there for a few minutes, the guy is pacing at the door, we go back in and he is all apologetic, it was an error blahblah. Yeah sure how about a $100 credit in the swag store to make up for it and he is kinda shocked about that but says yeah sure so we do the deal and go into the swag shop and pick out a few things that probably cost them $20. These people are just way too much. --FT On 2/14/21 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to charge it in the fees. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't shine. They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told them it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even blink... -Curt On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web site. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
When we bought our first and only new car - a 1976 Chevette - the salesman quoted a full price of $3624. That seemed reasonable, so we said OK. The salesman was so stunned at our failure to bargain that he threw in a complimentary undercoating worth $75. That car served us well without any major issues until we could afford our first Mercedes in 1982. On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 10:16 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and CarMax > people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal > with the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of > the transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for > haggling. That and you can’t really do the Internet buying thing with used > vehicles. > > Private party is definitely better, but involves more effort on my part > and has potentially more risk. > > -D > > > On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything > nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling fees, > OK. So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc fees > listed on the total price calculation. I pointed this out and the sales > guy was like weel you know that is kinda standard blahblah so I > said OK thanks for your time and we got up and walked out. Got in the truck > and got settled, was backing out and here comes the sales guy running out > and waving at me as I pull out of the parking spot. He's like hey I worked > it out we can do the deal! And I say no thanks, we're done here, can't > trust you, we can find another car somewhere. So he starts begging no no > no come on, it's OK, so I say OK give us a minute. So we sit there for a > few minutes, the guy is pacing at the door, we go back in and he is all > apologetic, it was an error blahblah. Yeah sure how about a $100 credit in > the swag store to make up for it and he is kinda shocked about that but > says yeah sure so we do the deal and go into the swag shop and pick out a > few things that probably cost them $20. > > > > These people are just way too much. > > > > --FT > > > > On 2/14/21 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >> Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a > lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they > charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a > fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to > charge it in the fees. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago > when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. > Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms > automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee > continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't > shine. > >>> > >>> They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told > them it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even > blink... > >>> > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via > Mercedes wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront > pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at > Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any > dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. > >>> > >>> I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t > like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full > refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or > something. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. > One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a > dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., > etc. > > Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts > about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result > often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when > you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of > fees on a web site. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
Exactly. This is what I want to avoid. Sure, I know the Carvana and CarMax people are still getting their pound of flesh, I just don’t want to deal with the BS. If I go the used route, and I probably will, that aspect of the transaction is amplified because there’s typically less room for haggling. That and you can’t really do the Internet buying thing with used vehicles. Private party is definitely better, but involves more effort on my part and has potentially more risk. -D > On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything nailed > down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling fees, OK. So > after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc fees listed on > the total price calculation. I pointed this out and the sales guy was like > weel you know that is kinda standard blahblah so I said OK thanks for > your time and we got up and walked out. Got in the truck and got settled, was > backing out and here comes the sales guy running out and waving at me as I > pull out of the parking spot. He's like hey I worked it out we can do the > deal! And I say no thanks, we're done here, can't trust you, we can find > another car somewhere. So he starts begging no no no come on, it's OK, so I > say OK give us a minute. So we sit there for a few minutes, the guy is > pacing at the door, we go back in and he is all apologetic, it was an error > blahblah. Yeah sure how about a $100 credit in the swag store to make up for > it and he is kinda shocked about that but says yeah sure so we do the deal > and go into the swag shop and pick out a few things that probably cost them > $20. > > These people are just way too much. > > --FT > > On 2/14/21 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a lie. >> They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they charge >> doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a fit they >> can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to charge it >> in the fees. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> >>> >>> When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when >>> there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today >>> they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms >>> automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee >>> continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't >>> shine. >>> >>> They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told them >>> it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even blink... >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront >>> pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at >>> Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any >>> dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. >>> >>> I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it >>> you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s >>> baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web site. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
When we bought the CPO 14ML350 we agreed on a price and had everything nailed down. I specifically said I was not paying any paperhandling fees, OK. So after a little while the paperwork shows up, there's the doc fees listed on the total price calculation. I pointed this out and the sales guy was like weel you know that is kinda standard blahblah so I said OK thanks for your time and we got up and walked out. Got in the truck and got settled, was backing out and here comes the sales guy running out and waving at me as I pull out of the parking spot. He's like hey I worked it out we can do the deal! And I say no thanks, we're done here, can't trust you, we can find another car somewhere. So he starts begging no no no come on, it's OK, so I say OK give us a minute. So we sit there for a few minutes, the guy is pacing at the door, we go back in and he is all apologetic, it was an error blahblah. Yeah sure how about a $100 credit in the swag store to make up for it and he is kinda shocked about that but says yeah sure so we do the deal and go into the swag shop and pick out a few things that probably cost them $20. These people are just way too much. --FT On 2/14/21 7:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to charge it in the fees. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't shine. They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told them it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even blink... -Curt On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web site. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
On 2021-02-14 14:10, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Probably gone by now, but if not it would be a good flip candidate. I doubt Dan wants anything from the rust belt. Tried contacting him, was reminded that he sold it when he bought a big white Silverado. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
Here dealers will say the doc fees are required by the state. That is a lie. They are not required to charge doc fees at all. The law says if they charge doc fees they have to charge it to everyone. If somebody throws a fit they can deduct the amount off the sale price but it will still have to charge it in the fees. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > > When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when > there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today > they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms automatically. > IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee continued to > show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't shine. > > They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told them > it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even blink... > > -Curt > > On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront > pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at > Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any > dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. > > I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it > you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s > baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One > > big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer > > does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. > > > > Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about > > them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often > > charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you > > don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees > > on a web site. > > > > -D > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
A guy I hunt with bought a 9mm last fall, can't get any ammo. We stopped at a gun shop a week ago, they had gotten a shipment of 9mm, it was all sold in like 20 minutes. They did have a box of .22 short I picked up for my dad. I also scored a box of .300 Savage "just because". When I got home I realized I had 3 other boxes. Paid $39 for the new box, one of the boxes I have I bought back in the '90s for $7... The worst thing right now is that there aren't any primers to be had. Between dad and I we've got lots of powder and bullets but not a ton of primers. Looking at Gun Broker people are selling percussion caps for $30/100. I've got 300 I bought for $5/100 a year ago. Now I wish I'd bought a few thousand at that price. I just got a 12 pack of flints in and my local shop has a steady supply of black powder... -Curt On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 12:56:42 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Ahh, yes, a nice 1911 is always a good choice. I haven’t looked at the firearms market of late, but I’ve heard it’s a crazy place, no doubt much like the car market. ML500 went to Haiti. Long story. Suffice to say I made money on the deal. I can wait, I’m not under any pressure. I was just caught off guard by the state of the market. I knew there was demand with the stimulus checks, but I had no idea how bad it was. I suspect it will get worse before it gets better, since tax return time is coming as well. What I found stunning was that some big, high volume Ford dealers here don’t have squat, even in new inventory. Kaleb pretty much spelled it out, but still, I was amazed as these are dealers that have literally hundreds of vehicles on their lot at any given time. Brandon Ford, one of the highest volume dealers in the southeast, has almost nothing new or used. Guess I’ll stay on the sidelines for now. Not a big deal, the S320 wagon and SL500 are chugging away doing yeoman’s work without complaint or issues. And I have no car payments, too. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > >> These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly >amazed that if things are >> so bad for so many >people why there is such a big market for used >trucks > > Sounds like "car fever". I get it. I have "Kimber fever" right now. After a > year of being told "no", the consumer market is bursting with pent-up demand. > > As I responded to Craig's post about a used ML, things are tight in the car > market. There is a semiconductor shortage, so automakers have had to scale > back production of new cars and trucks. That makes used trucks more in > demand. Then there's the promise of some sort of stimulus check (down payment > at buy here, pay here) and even the prospect of Universal Basic Income. It's > a bubble, and it will pop. Stay on the sidelines until you find your deal. Do > you still have the ML? I'd buy a utility trailer for now. It seems very few > people understand the value of a small 5'*9' trailer. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
When we bought the RAM I nearly walked over the doc fees. 30 years ago when there was a secretary typing it out I didn't like it but understood. Today they enter the price and the computer spits out all the forms automatically. IIRC it was $300 and I told the salesman that if the doc fee continued to show up he could shove the paperwork where the sun doesn't shine. They said they'd take the doc fee off the price of the truck. I told them it'd have to be $500 off the price of the truck, he didn't even blink... -Curt On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:47:22 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big > advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, > the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. > > Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about > them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often > charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t > have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web > site. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As another example of how car prices out of whack our 2003 Ranger 4wd 4.0l extended cab SLT with 25,000 miles, in 2008 cost just over $10k... The pre-newest-style Rangers didn't have the option of crew cab in the USA. Some (most?) of the extended cabs have suicide doors. One of the annoying things about ours was that the switch or sensor or whatever that detected that the rear doors were open would get stuck. It didn't tell you which one, just that one door was still open. Those needed logic that told them that the front door was closed and therefore the rear door couldn't possibly be open. Oh and ours sucked on gas, best it ever did was 19mpg and that was really babying it. Towing the 190D it got 9mpg. Small fuel tank too, you were limited to, IIRC 300 or so miles at best. The Dodge RAM 4wd 5.7l, extended cab, that replaced it has gotten as high as 23mpg and regularly turns in 18. When I towed the 240D it got 15... The Ranger was better in the woods though, no question. It could fit a lot of places the RAM can't. -Curt On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 11:44:18 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: It appears that the delivery thing is extra, although there’s no charge for it. There is one of their places close to me, so I guess I could go look at something if they had it. I’ve been looking at Ford Rangers and everything they’ve had is “pending”. Seems like the local dealers don’t have squat, or they’re turning them over so quickly they aren’t putting them on their web sites. A nice 2010 Ford Ranger with under 100k and the extended (not crew) cab seems to command around $13k-$15k. If a dealer gets involved there’s easily another $1000 for their @$#&% “fees”, something I’m trying to avoid. I’m not ready to pull the trigger just yet, but I’m trying to do some due diligence so when I do I’m ready to act quickly, These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly amazed that if things are so bad for so many people why there is such a big market for used trucks - especially when the difference between new and used is pretty minimal as you get to later models. For what it’s worth, if anyone knows of something like this, let me know - I’ll travel for the right deal. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on a > flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit > (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old > car. Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever > showed up didn't care one way or the other. She liked the process. > Interesting concept. They must have lots scattered around where they keep > the cars then haul them around as needed. > > --FT > > On 2/14/21 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big >> advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, >> the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. >> >> Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about >> them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often >> charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you >> don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees >> on a web site. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on > Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add > ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, > “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Carvana and Carmax "no haggle" shopping means you are probably paying near top-of-market mostly for the convenience factor. Also I didn't think they really carried much inventory that was over 5 years old. I'd be surprised if you found much selection of 10yo trucks at Carvana. The vast majority of what I'm seeing here is 2016 or newer. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would think that EVs would be hardest hit by microchip shortages, but I guess the reality is that EVs still account for a small minority of new car production, and also that all new cars are loaded with microprocessors and integrated circuits. Allan OK Don via Mercedes writes: > From the news today: > https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/here-are-some-of-the-car-models-most-likely-to-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-the-global-chip-shortage/ar-BB1dFRHk?li=BBnb7Kz > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure, why not? I’m always up for a road trip. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > My receptionist (68 year old geezer) sold his 1990ish S10 EL and bought a > somewhat loaded looking dark green 4x4 Ranger a couple of years ago. I don't > recall the details, I just saw it parked in front of a house with a for sale > sign on it, thought 'somebody should buy that, it looks great', and Ed went > and bought it a couple of days later. > > Should I ask him if he still has/wants to sell it to Dan? > It would be in Westphalia MI. > We gave him the winter off, and he missed us so much he dropped in last > Friday. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably gone by now, but if not it would be a good flip candidate. I doubt Dan wants anything from the rust belt. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 14, 2021 1:17 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others My receptionist (68 year old geezer) sold his 1990ish S10 EL and bought a somewhat loaded looking dark green 4x4 Ranger a couple of years ago. I don't recall the details, I just saw it parked in front of a house with a for sale sign on it, thought 'somebody should buy that, it looks great', and Ed went and bought it a couple of days later. Should I ask him if he still has/wants to sell it to Dan? It would be in Westphalia MI. We gave him the winter off, and he missed us so much he dropped in last Friday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will say MMR on most used vehicles these days is going above retail at auction. I have heard stories from customers, one in particular, had a later model Silverado sitting on the lot they could t sell at 26k for some reason. Took it to auction and it sold for 33k. I told him he should take all his used there. Of course if they did they would not be able to replace it. With no inventory what would they do with their sales people? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ahh, yes, a nice 1911 is always a good choice. I haven’t looked at the > firearms market of late, but I’ve heard it’s a crazy place, no doubt much > like the car market. > > ML500 went to Haiti. Long story. Suffice to say I made money on the deal. > > I can wait, I’m not under any pressure. I was just caught off guard by the > state of the market. I knew there was demand with the stimulus checks, but I > had no idea how bad it was. I suspect it will get worse before it gets > better, since tax return time is coming as well. > > What I found stunning was that some big, high volume Ford dealers here don’t > have squat, even in new inventory. Kaleb pretty much spelled it out, but > still, I was amazed as these are dealers that have literally hundreds of > vehicles on their lot at any given time. Brandon Ford, one of the highest > volume dealers in the southeast, has almost nothing new or used. > > Guess I’ll stay on the sidelines for now. Not a big deal, the S320 wagon and > SL500 are chugging away doing yeoman’s work without complaint or issues. And > I have no car payments, too. > > -D > > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly >amazed that if things are >>> so bad for so many >people why there is such a big market for used >trucks >> >> Sounds like "car fever". I get it. I have "Kimber fever" right now. After a >> year of being told "no", the consumer market is bursting with pent-up demand. >> >> As I responded to Craig's post about a used ML, things are tight in the car >> market. There is a semiconductor shortage, so automakers have had to scale >> back production of new cars and trucks. That makes used trucks more in >> demand. Then there's the promise of some sort of stimulus check (down >> payment at buy here, pay here) and even the prospect of Universal Basic >> Income. It's a bubble, and it will pop. Stay on the sidelines until you find >> your deal. Do you still have the ML? I'd buy a utility trailer for now. It >> seems very few people understand the value of a small 5'*9' trailer. >> >> >> Rick >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My receptionist (68 year old geezer) sold his 1990ish S10 EL and bought a somewhat loaded looking dark green 4x4 Ranger a couple of years ago. I don't recall the details, I just saw it parked in front of a house with a for sale sign on it, thought 'somebody should buy that, it looks great', and Ed went and bought it a couple of days later. Should I ask him if he still has/wants to sell it to Dan? It would be in Westphalia MI. We gave him the winter off, and he missed us so much he dropped in last Friday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
From the news today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/here-are-some-of-the-car-models-most-likely-to-be-in-shorter-supply-due-to-the-global-chip-shortage/ar-BB1dFRHk?li=BBnb7Kz On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:56 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I can wait, I’m not under any pressure. I was just caught off guard by the > state of the market. I knew there was demand with the stimulus checks, but > I had no idea how bad it was. I suspect it will get worse before it gets > better, since tax return time is coming as well. > > What I found stunning was that some big, high volume Ford dealers here > don’t have squat, even in new inventory. Kaleb pretty much spelled it out, > but still, I was amazed as these are dealers that have literally hundreds > of vehicles on their lot at any given time. Brandon Ford, one of the > highest volume dealers in the southeast, has almost nothing new or used. > > Guess I’ll stay on the sidelines for now. Not a big deal, the S320 wagon > and SL500 are chugging away doing yeoman’s work without complaint or > issues. And I have no car payments, too. > > -D > > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too bad all the rental companies were dumping cars last summer, they'd sell them easily today. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
Ahh, yes, a nice 1911 is always a good choice. I haven’t looked at the firearms market of late, but I’ve heard it’s a crazy place, no doubt much like the car market. ML500 went to Haiti. Long story. Suffice to say I made money on the deal. I can wait, I’m not under any pressure. I was just caught off guard by the state of the market. I knew there was demand with the stimulus checks, but I had no idea how bad it was. I suspect it will get worse before it gets better, since tax return time is coming as well. What I found stunning was that some big, high volume Ford dealers here don’t have squat, even in new inventory. Kaleb pretty much spelled it out, but still, I was amazed as these are dealers that have literally hundreds of vehicles on their lot at any given time. Brandon Ford, one of the highest volume dealers in the southeast, has almost nothing new or used. Guess I’ll stay on the sidelines for now. Not a big deal, the S320 wagon and SL500 are chugging away doing yeoman’s work without complaint or issues. And I have no car payments, too. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > >> These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly >amazed that if things are >> so bad for so many >people why there is such a big market for used >trucks > > Sounds like "car fever". I get it. I have "Kimber fever" right now. After a > year of being told "no", the consumer market is bursting with pent-up demand. > > As I responded to Craig's post about a used ML, things are tight in the car > market. There is a semiconductor shortage, so automakers have had to scale > back production of new cars and trucks. That makes used trucks more in > demand. Then there's the promise of some sort of stimulus check (down payment > at buy here, pay here) and even the prospect of Universal Basic Income. It's > a bubble, and it will pop. Stay on the sidelines until you find your deal. Do > you still have the ML? I'd buy a utility trailer for now. It seems very few > people understand the value of a small 5'*9' trailer. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is from over a month ago. There will be electronics shortages too. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-bb12adb6106019a618440d85fd91f77e Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: February 14, 2021 11:10 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others I understand about the government payments and car buying, but I wasn’t aware of shortages. Sounds like I need to wait, which is just fine with me. I really need to get this E420 W124 out of the garage and on to another home right now. Once that’s done I’ll be more motivated to do something about a small truck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I understand about the government payments and car buying, but I wasn’t aware of shortages. Sounds like I need to wait, which is just fine with me. I really need to get this E420 W124 out of the garage and on to another home right now. Once that’s done I’ll be more motivated to do something about a small truck. I’ve had a boatload of overseas buyers (nearly all German) interested in the E420, but they all try to run me down on the price. The thing that seems to turn them off is lack of service records. I’ve got the VMI on it but it’s not that great, so that doesn’t appear to impress them. They don’t seem to care about the paint. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > The reason the prices are so high on used is because there is very little new > inventory available. I have stores that usually have a hundred trucks in > stock that have none at all, or maybe 5-6 if they are lucky. I don’t think > FCA is so bad but Ford and GM are. With GM they were shut down due to strike, > then when that was over the China virus happened. As far as why there is > demand, it’s due to all the free government moments out there floating > around. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> It appears that the delivery thing is extra, although there’s no charge for >> it. There is one of their places close to me, so I guess I could go look at >> something if they had it. >> >> I’ve been looking at Ford Rangers and everything they’ve had is “pending”. >> Seems like the local dealers don’t have squat, or they’re turning them over >> so quickly they aren’t putting them on their web sites. >> >> A nice 2010 Ford Ranger with under 100k and the extended (not crew) cab >> seems to command around $13k-$15k. If a dealer gets involved there’s easily >> another $1000 for their @$#&% “fees”, something I’m trying to avoid. >> >> I’m not ready to pull the trigger just yet, but I’m trying to do some due >> diligence so when I do I’m ready to act quickly, These things don’t seem to >> last long. I’m truly amazed that if things are so bad for so many people why >> there is such a big market for used trucks - especially when the difference >> between new and used is pretty minimal as you get to later models. >> >> For what it’s worth, if anyone knows of something like this, let me know - >> I’ll travel for the right deal. >> >> -D >> >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on >>> a flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit >>> (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old >>> car. Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever >>> showed up didn't care one way or the other. She liked the process. >>> Interesting concept. They must have lots scattered around where they keep >>> the cars then haul them around as needed. >>> >>> --FT >>> On 2/14/21 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web site. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> -- >>> --FT >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
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>These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly >amazed that if things are so >bad for so many >people why there is such a big market for used >trucks Sounds like "car fever". I get it. I have "Kimber fever" right now. After a year of being told "no", the consumer market is bursting with pent-up demand. As I responded to Craig's post about a used ML, things are tight in the car market. There is a semiconductor shortage, so automakers have had to scale back production of new cars and trucks. That makes used trucks more in demand. Then there's the promise of some sort of stimulus check (down payment at buy here, pay here) and even the prospect of Universal Basic Income. It's a bubble, and it will pop. Stay on the sidelines until you find your deal. Do you still have the ML? I'd buy a utility trailer for now. It seems very few people understand the value of a small 5'*9' trailer. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
The reason the prices are so high on used is because there is very little new inventory available. I have stores that usually have a hundred trucks in stock that have none at all, or maybe 5-6 if they are lucky. I don’t think FCA is so bad but Ford and GM are. With GM they were shut down due to strike, then when that was over the China virus happened. As far as why there is demand, it’s due to all the free government moments out there floating around. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > It appears that the delivery thing is extra, although there’s no charge for > it. There is one of their places close to me, so I guess I could go look at > something if they had it. > > I’ve been looking at Ford Rangers and everything they’ve had is “pending”. > Seems like the local dealers don’t have squat, or they’re turning them over > so quickly they aren’t putting them on their web sites. > > A nice 2010 Ford Ranger with under 100k and the extended (not crew) cab seems > to command around $13k-$15k. If a dealer gets involved there’s easily another > $1000 for their @$#&% “fees”, something I’m trying to avoid. > > I’m not ready to pull the trigger just yet, but I’m trying to do some due > diligence so when I do I’m ready to act quickly, These things don’t seem to > last long. I’m truly amazed that if things are so bad for so many people why > there is such a big market for used trucks - especially when the difference > between new and used is pretty minimal as you get to later models. > > For what it’s worth, if anyone knows of something like this, let me know - > I’ll travel for the right deal. > > -D > >> On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on >> a flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit >> (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old >> car. Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever >> showed up didn't care one way or the other. She liked the process. >> Interesting concept. They must have lots scattered around where they keep >> the cars then haul them around as needed. >> >> --FT >> >>> On 2/14/21 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big >>> advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, >>> the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. >>> >>> Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about >>> them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often >>> charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you >>> don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees >>> on a web site. >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> --FT >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
That’s the whole deal with Carvana and Carmax, no pressure and upfront pricing. As far as add ons, not sure about Carvana but I bought a GL at Carmax several years ago and they still charged doc fees just like any dealer. They also offered aftermarket warranties for add on costs as well. I think with carvana they have some sort of deal were if you don’t like it you can return it within a certain amount of time for a full refund. It’s baciallj supposed to be just like shopping for a TV or something. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big > advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, > the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. > > Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about > them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often > charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t > have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web > site. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
It appears that the delivery thing is extra, although there’s no charge for it. There is one of their places close to me, so I guess I could go look at something if they had it. I’ve been looking at Ford Rangers and everything they’ve had is “pending”. Seems like the local dealers don’t have squat, or they’re turning them over so quickly they aren’t putting them on their web sites. A nice 2010 Ford Ranger with under 100k and the extended (not crew) cab seems to command around $13k-$15k. If a dealer gets involved there’s easily another $1000 for their @$#&% “fees”, something I’m trying to avoid. I’m not ready to pull the trigger just yet, but I’m trying to do some due diligence so when I do I’m ready to act quickly, These things don’t seem to last long. I’m truly amazed that if things are so bad for so many people why there is such a big market for used trucks - especially when the difference between new and used is pretty minimal as you get to later models. For what it’s worth, if anyone knows of something like this, let me know - I’ll travel for the right deal. -D > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on a > flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit > (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old > car. Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever > showed up didn't care one way or the other. She liked the process. > Interesting concept. They must have lots scattered around where they keep > the cars then haul them around as needed. > > --FT > > On 2/14/21 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big >> advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, >> the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. >> >> Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about >> them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often >> charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you >> don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees >> on a web site. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Carvana & Others
This girl I know looked at a coupla cars, they brought them to her place on a flatbed and could do the deal right there, give a trade-in credit (essentially buy your old car for a specified price) and haul off the old car. Sort of a mobile Carmax. She ended up not buying either one, whoever showed up didn't care one way or the other. She liked the process. Interesting concept. They must have lots scattered around where they keep the cars then haul them around as needed. --FT On 2/14/21 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As I look at potential trucks, I see a lot of nice ones on Carvana. One big advantage of them is the fact that there’s no “add ons” like a dealer does, the slimy “dealer fee”, “paperwork/transaction fees”. etc., etc. Kaleb - you’re familiar with these places - do you have any thoughts about them? I realize they just cover the costs up front and as a result often charge more than dealers, but it makes it a lot easier to shop when you don’t have to do the mental math or go digging around for the list of fees on a web site. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
