Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Mao, I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun to accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money, instead of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet their basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull prospect. Tyler Here's the quote from Adam Smith: I mean we may get back to a saner kind of world -- what Adam Smith called cultivation or civilization -- where we don't all sort of spend our life trying to make money, to buy things we don't really need to impress the neighbors, and so on. Where we actually do work -- not 60 hours a week, but 40 hours a week. Where we actually do take holidays. Where we actually get to know our kids again. Where it actually becomes smart to have a tiny car, to walk and bicycle and these sorts of things. And we may find we enjoy it actually just as much as the hectic pace that we've seen in recent years. I've often said that capitalism, particularly in America, is a very exhausting business. It tires people out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Ok, who want's to be the first to sell their Mercedes and unplug their connection to the internet? Neither fall under basic needs as far as I'm aware. Ed 300E 2009/1/9 Tyler casi...@usermail.com Mao, I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun to accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money, instead of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet their basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull prospect. Tyler Here's the quote from Adam Smith: I mean we may get back to a saner kind of world -- what Adam Smith called cultivation or civilization -- where we don't all sort of spend our life trying to make money, to buy things we don't really need to impress the neighbors, and so on. Where we actually do work -- not 60 hours a week, but 40 hours a week. Where we actually do take holidays. Where we actually get to know our kids again. Where it actually becomes smart to have a tiny car, to walk and bicycle and these sorts of things. And we may find we enjoy it actually just as much as the hectic pace that we've seen in recent years. I've often said that capitalism, particularly in America, is a very exhausting business. It tires people out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090109/b1cd900e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not I, I very much enjoy my internet connection and my Mercedes. For one, I wouldn't be able to visit or talk to most of my friends and family without them because they've moved all around the USA and the world. I don't think this is what the quote was getting at. He (and I) wasn't saying to avoid spending money on things not required to survival, but rather a re-ordering of priorities to think of money as a tool to help you meet your life goals, rather than the goal itself. Their is an illusion/myth in our culture that happiness comes from having enough money and material possessions. People keep wanting more, but their desire is endless so they are never satisfied or happy regardless of what they get. This is well illustrated by the concept of a hungry ghost in ancient Buddhist mythology. A hungry ghost is a being with endless hunger, but a tiny throat that only allows it to eat a small amount of food, so it is eternally experiencing endless desire and unhappy/dissatisfied. Tyler Ok, who want's to be the first to sell their Mercedes and unplug their connection to the internet? Neither fall under basic needs as far as I'm aware. Ed 300E 2009/1/9 Tyler casi...@usermail.com Mao, I like that quote quite a bit. It seems that recently people have begun to accept without question that the purpose of life is to make money, instead of the purpose of money being to help one trade with others to meet their basic needs for survival. I find the idea of a life purposed around extracting a profit from the world to be a very depressing and dull prospect. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and so once again Detroit strikes out as they are dropping the Magnum. Something a little different and neat and then they drop it.Did you know that the Magnum is classified as a light truck so there was no gas guzzler penalty associated with the Hemi SRT8 option. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
MAO wrote: Snook wrote: My time is worth a whole lot more than the $20 I would save in changing it myself. That is a rather cocky and arrogant statement for me to read. You are saying some people are worth the time to change oil? I think all people are worth the time it takes to maintain an item rather than pay some schmuck to do the job - that type of thinking is what gets us into a 6 month cycle of spending $2 trillion for fixing something each of us should have fixed 8 years ago. Ah - I feel a bit fired up about the idiocy that some people are worth less money. I am equally sick of the idiocy that all people should make it or that all people should be healthy. What happened to diversity? We are each different. Some of us own cars that we can work on, and we share that opportunity with some that can't work on cars hence don't own cars - that sounds like a nice kulture. I read your comment as offensive, now I have returned the same back to you - I'm an idiot. That is not news. My (Snook's)response: I was responding to an email that basically said I was a villain if I used too many of the earth's resources and was too lazy to work on my own car. My point was it doesn't make economic sense FOR ME to change my oil. That is all I am saying. When I was in college and had lots of time, but no money, it made sense for me to change my oil. Now, I have more money and a lot less time. It was not meant to be offensive - in fact, I thought I was defending myself from a rather unjustified attack. I will thicken up my skin and chalk it up to experience. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090108/ef6145d6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Ed wrote: There's a difference between a hobby and chore. Hard to put a monetary value on a hobby, but it's easy to put one on a chore. Thank you, Ed. You said it much better than I could have. That is exactly what I mean. I should have said it this way. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090108/65811358/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary wrote: you read too much into this, gordon. he is not making a moral valuation between himself and someone else, but rather making a statement about economic preferences. he personally would rather not have $20 and not have to change oil whereas another fella would rather have $20 and change oil than not have $20 and not change oil. it isn't about one guy being better than the other. maybe snook really likes old radios and woudl fix yours for 20 bucks, while the oil change guy wouldn't mess with it unless you paid him a lot more. woud you then say the oil change guy feels himself superior to snook? Oh crap, I might have to rethink my position. Gary agrees with me. Just kidding, Gary! Yes, this is what I mean. How come the folks defending me or doing a better job of articulating my position than I am? Now, I know how clients feel! P.S. I am totally prepared to drop this argument. We all make judgments about how we do things in our lives - and that is really all we can do. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090108/82c25081/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If they drop the Magnum, will there ANY American station wagons? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 03:49 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum and so once again Detroit strikes out as they are dropping the Magnum. Something a little different and neat and then they drop it.Did you know that the Magnum is classified as a light truck so there was no gas guzzler penalty associated with the Hemi SRT8 option. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
they are now called mini-vans or SUV's Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:28 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum If they drop the Magnum, will there ANY American station wagons? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Freer Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 03:49 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum and so once again Detroit strikes out as they are dropping the Magnum. Something a little different and neat and then they drop it.Did you know that the Magnum is classified as a light truck so there was no gas guzzler penalty associated with the Hemi SRT8 option. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Snook wrote: I will thicken up my skin and chalk it up to experience. Your skin is thick enough - you're fine. However, you are not the economist Adam Smith was. And he had a thing or three to say about preference time and frivolous - listen to 2nd half of this show: http://www.publicradio.org/tools/media_player/popup.php?name=marketplace/pm/2009/01/08/marketplace_cast2_20090108_64 I think it applies to the dialog. We are a culture that has gotten waaay beyond the necessity of living and are hurting ourselves for it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here's the quote from Adam Smith: He said, A profitably speculation is presented as a public good because growth will stimulate demand and everywhere diffuse comfort and improvement. No patriot or man of feeling could therefore oppose it. But the nature of this growth, in opposition, for example, to older ideas such as cultivation, is that it is at once undirected and infinitely self-generating in the endless demand for all the useless things in the world. The fella that was being interviewed was Charles Handy. Further in the interview he was saying: Well, I think governments are faced with a difficult problem. They are trying to get people to spend. But it does seem a rather un-Adam Smith idea to get people to go out shopping in order to get the economy going again. More useless things, in other words. But in order to get that happening, they have reduced the base rate from the Federal Reserve or the Bank of England, in order to get people finding it easier to borrow. But actually there are more savers than borrowers in society. And so, of course, now the savers are not going to save because there's no incentive to it. So, I'm not sure that the solution is going to be easy to get by, and I think it'll take about three years for things to bottom out. But there may be some good news in all of that. I mean we may get back to a saner kind of world -- what Adam Smith called cultivation or civilization -- where we don't all sort of spend our life trying to make money, to buy things we don't really need to impress the neighbors, and so on. Where we actually do work -- not 60 hours a week, but 40 hours a week. Where we actually do take holidays. Where we actually get to know our kids again. Where it actually becomes smart to have a tiny car, to walk and bicycle and these sorts of things. And we may find we enjoy it actually just as much as the hectic pace that we've seen in recent years. I've often said that capitalism, particularly in America, is a very exhausting business. It tires people out. http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/01/08/pm_taking_stock/ The issue is cultivation of civilization, as Smith called it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's the exact car that my sister has. It has great ride and handling, lots of room, and the V6 does very well with it's 260? hp. She was having trouble with oil consumption between 3k change intervals with 25Kmi on the clock. It was burning 1.5 to 2qts (don't know if they figured out what was going on). She also had the hatch struts go bad after a year which were fixed under warranty. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve M. wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. Congratulations! I think those are very cool cars. They are definitely a niche in the market. But, one of the other attorneys in our office has one and loves it. They drive very nicely and with the 3.5 the fuel mileage isn't terrible - like it is with the Hemi. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/7ca4287b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got trapped behind a RWD Chrysler (not Magnum, a sedan, probably 300) in light snow last month. He had decent tires (the snow was sticking to them, they were totally white), limited slip or locking diff, and a gentle foot (or traction control), but the tires just slipped 3-5mph without the car really getting anywhere. More of the same when we got to the street, but he did eventually get up to 20-25mph. This was in maybe 1/2 of fresh but wet snow. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got trapped behind a RWD Chrysler (not Magnum, a sedan, probably 300) in light snow last month. He had decent tires (the snow was sticking to them, they were totally white), limited slip or locking diff, and a gentle foot (or traction control), but the tires just slipped 3-5mph without the car really getting anywhere. More of the same when we got to the street, but he did eventually get up to 20-25mph. This was in maybe 1/2 of fresh but wet snow. Probably just like my Camaro. With proper narrow-profile snow tires and a bit of weight in the trunk it got around just fine. Stock? Acted like you described. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: You can start the flames now ;). No flames here! I think the 300/Magnum/Charger siblings are terrific cars. Great handling with what's basically the tried-and-true 124 multilink suspension in the rear, and as noted as long as you avoid the Hemi they have plenty of power and decent mileage for such a roomy car. I couldn't get past the ergonomics of the Charger and 300 and the aesthetics of the Magnum, but those things are more an individual matter, I suppose. I'd be driving one or the other now if the Charger had better rear quarter visibility or if the Magnum didn't look like a carp that swallowed a Lotus Europa. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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on 1/7/09 10:42, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote: I got trapped behind a RWD Chrysler (not Magnum, a sedan, probably 300) in light snow last month. He had decent tires (the snow was sticking to them, they were totally white), limited slip or locking diff, and a gentle foot (or traction control), but the tires just slipped 3-5mph without the car really getting anywhere. More of the same when we got to the street, but he did eventually get up to 20-25mph. This was in maybe 1/2 of fresh but wet snow. Probably just like my Camaro. With proper narrow-profile snow tires and a bit of weight in the trunk it got around just fine. Stock? Acted like you described. If the snow was stuck in them, they were not decent M + S tires. My Magnum is excellent on snow and ice with snow tires on. It does have a very sensitive go pedal, however, so you have to be very easy on the throttle input off the line in slippery conditions. Best RWD I have ever driven in snow, aside from the old Volvo 240, which Car and Driver once called the best RWD ever made for snow. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. Steve MacSween wrote: There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe I should start a used to own a mercedes now I own an american crapbox list. Steve MacSween wrote: on 1/7/09 10:42, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote: I got trapped behind a RWD Chrysler (not Magnum, a sedan, probably 300) in light snow last month. He had decent tires (the snow was sticking to them, they were totally white), limited slip or locking diff, and a gentle foot (or traction control), but the tires just slipped 3-5mph without the car really getting anywhere. More of the same when we got to the street, but he did eventually get up to 20-25mph. This was in maybe 1/2 of fresh but wet snow. Probably just like my Camaro. With proper narrow-profile snow tires and a bit of weight in the trunk it got around just fine. Stock? Acted like you described. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which merc are they based on? Here in SA no one is interested in buying American vehicles - the Japs , European and now Chinese have the market Peter 2009/1/7 Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca There are no reasonably priced competent wrenches left in my area for the older cars. The only shop that is left has a shop rate of $90 per hour and they take bookings for two weeks down the road. They charged me $440 (P L) to replace the shift cable on my w126. Nay nay. I'm turning 50 this year and have an older house that also demands my time, so I'm too old and tired to spend time on old cars anymore, except as a hobby. I did keep my w111 and my cherry Texan w123 240d, both of which need engines. But driving a newer car with no issues is SO much more relaxing, in daily driver terms. I paid my dues over decades with old used Volvos and then Benzes, now I've 'retired' to Chrysler. You do know that the 300/Magnum/Charger were developed off Benz chassis, right? The Magnum is a nice piece of work. They eat them up in Europe, apparently. Mac on 1/7/09 11:57, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: What is it with you long term hard core MB people buying crap american cars? First toad goes all chrysler on us, now you. Steve MacSween wrote: Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/d780e6f9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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245s are awesome in snow! This reminds me of when I was a teenager, I used to drive around during snowstorms in my 1975 245 and pull people in SUVs out of ditches with an old climbing rope. My wife and I also went snow camping often in our 1982 245 Turbo, and we never chained up in the deep snow when people in 4wd SUVs were sliding off the road on the mountain passes. I think 240s (wagons especially) must be exceptionally well balanced (close weight on all 4 tires). With the fuel tank perfectly centered behind the rear axle, they seem to often break traction on both rear tires at the same even without a locking diff! Tyler on 1/7/09 10:42, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote: Best RWD I have ever driven in snow, aside from the old Volvo 240, which Car and Driver once called the best RWD ever made for snow. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve MacSween wrote: If the snow was stuck in them, they were not decent M + S tires. I thought that good mud tires shed mud, and good snow tires grab onto the snow? At any rate, I think his main problem was too much width or not enough pressure (those were WIDE tires) prevented his tires from finding pavement under the snow. I had FWD and 50 psi tires, conditions were a bit slippery but I'd need to try to make the tires skid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter Merle wrote: Which merc are they based on? I always figured the Magnum was based on the R-series. The Crossfire is based on the SLK. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb wrote: Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I don't know how to replace the heat exchanger in my furnace, does that mean I shouldn't have one? I can't don't know squat about being an electrician, should I cancel my power at my house? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/1010f899/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. So yea, with these old MB's, its one of those cars you better know how to fix or else go broke having them fixed. Otherwise get a chevy or a ford that can be fixed cheaper and has a warranty Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I don't know how to replace the heat exchanger in my furnace, does that mean I shouldn't have one? I can't don't know squat about being an electrician, should I cancel my power at my house? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/1010f899/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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-- Original message -- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. My HHR is an appliance. My Benz was a hobby HHR is to Benz as Wife is to XXX Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I think what he was getting at is MB's are very maintenance intensive, and if you have to pay to get the work done, they quickly become money pits. It may very well be cheaper to get a newer vehicle (as Steve did). I think Steve knew how to replace the item, but didn't have the time and/or desire to replace it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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exactly John Robbins wrote: Donald Snook wrote: That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I think what he was getting at is MB's are very maintenance intensive, and if you have to pay to get the work done, they quickly become money pits. It may very well be cheaper to get a newer vehicle (as Steve did). I think Steve knew how to replace the item, but didn't have the time and/or desire to replace it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? You probably shouldn't... especially not an old obscure one that nobody else knows how to work on. Personally, if I didn't know how to work on cars I'd either get rid of them and ride my bike, or learn. You'd have to make a heck of a lot of money per hour for it to not be worth the time to learn. Plus most shops are incompetent and don't do work safely or properly anyways. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Older MB's are obiously a hobby as much as a driver. Same would apply to an older Chevy when it comes right down to it. Sometimes, people just get tired of the ongoing hassle of repairs and maintenance and want a new vehicle that will likely have no issues for a good while. Even a 5 year old north american vehicle is likely to have a lot less troubles than a 25 year old Mercedes. Even if the Mercedes was a top of the line expensive vehicle and has service records to show it was properly cared for. It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. So yea, with these old MB's, its one of those cars you better know how to fix or else go broke having them fixed. Otherwise get a chevy or a ford that can be fixed cheaper and has a warranty Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I don't know how to replace the heat exchanger in my furnace, does that mean I shouldn't have one? I can't don't know squat about being an electrician, should I cancel my power at my house? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/1010f899/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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on 1/7/09 14:22, Peter Merle at merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: Which merc are they based on? Here in SA no one is interested in buying American vehicles - the Japs , European and now Chinese have the market Peter I think the w124. This is what MB was doing with Chrysler. The Pacific was based on the first-gen M class, the Crossfire on the first CLK. The Japs own the market here very much as well. I got the Magnum for easily $6-7k less than a comparable Japanese vehicle of the same vintage/mileage/equipment level. The Chargers are much more expensive and hard to fine, the Chrysler 300s about $2k more. The Magnum has dipped in value (except for the R/T and SRT) because it has been discontinued. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I should probably toss a couple of bags of sand or softener salt in the trunk of my Crown Vic. It totally sucks on slick roads, even with the traction control turned on. For that matter, I had to turn the traction control off so I could get up my driveway the other day. It's short, but steep. If there is the slightest bit of snow or ice on it the Crown Vic can barely make it up without redlining the final drive. Dan --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:42 AM I got trapped behind a RWD Chrysler (not Magnum, a sedan, probably 300) in light snow last month. He had decent tires (the snow was sticking to them, they were totally white), limited slip or locking diff, and a gentle foot (or traction control), but the tires just slipped 3-5mph without the car really getting anywhere. More of the same when we got to the street, but he did eventually get up to 20-25mph. This was in maybe 1/2 of fresh but wet snow. Probably just like my Camaro. With proper narrow-profile snow tires and a bit of weight in the trunk it got around just fine. Stock? Acted like you described. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/31ff3c42/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? I think Kleb was saying that if you can't replace a shift cable, you shouldn't drive a 20 year old car which might cost 20% of its value to have somebody else replace the shift cable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup, and I'm kind of there. Just thew an offer at a new GM. I just want to go out, turn the key and it starts, and if not, someone will fix it while there's snow on the ground. Not that the benz has ever let me down, but it's 20 years old and has near enough to 350,000 kms on it. I have a tinker toy car, and I'm at the point where I'm will to pay and take some depreciation for the knowledge that there's a warranty and some else will fix it. Once the sun is shinning, I'm sure I'll have lots of fun pulling the 300E apart and rebuilding the top end. Right not, it's just something in the back of my mind that it will let me down one of these days, and when it does, you just know it will be the day we get some record snowfall and there won't be a tow truck in sight for any money. lol For all things there's a season. I like to think the season for old cars is summer. hee hee. Ed 300E 2009/1/7 R A Bennell b...@mts.net Older MB's are obiously a hobby as much as a driver. Same would apply to an older Chevy when it comes right down to it. Sometimes, people just get tired of the ongoing hassle of repairs and maintenance and want a new vehicle that will likely have no issues for a good while. Even a 5 year old north american vehicle is likely to have a lot less troubles than a 25 year old Mercedes. Even if the Mercedes was a top of the line expensive vehicle and has service records to show it was properly cared for. It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. So yea, with these old MB's, its one of those cars you better know how to fix or else go broke having them fixed. Otherwise get a chevy or a ford that can be fixed cheaper and has a warranty Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I don't know how to replace the heat exchanger in my furnace, does that mean I shouldn't have one? I can't don't know squat about being an electrician, should I cancel my power at my house? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/1010f899/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
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It really bothers me how everything is considered disposable, and people feel entitled to own and operate such a complicated machine without knowing how it works, or how to care for it. Even new cars break down, and in my opinion it's somewhat dangerous to operate a car, especially in remote areas without a basic understanding of how it works, and how to repair it yourself. In addition, nearly any car can be made to last a lifetime and work reliably the whole time if properly cared for, and it's irresponsible not to do so. It's not just a matter of convenience or cost. I don't think anyone has the right to use more of the earths resources than they need just because they can afford to, and are too lazy to do otherwise. /rant Tyler It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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once a car is more than 20 years old, you should buy them in multiples. lol. Then you have a cheap supply of parts. Even the Air Force do it with old planes. I was offered a used head for the 3ooE for $200. Why would I pay that when I can get a whole car for $400, part it out, give a bunch of bits to my friends here, and scrap what's left for $150. Ed 300E 2009/1/7 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Donald Snook wrote: That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? I think Kleb was saying that if you can't replace a shift cable, you shouldn't drive a 20 year old car which might cost 20% of its value to have somebody else replace the shift cable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/0895a89b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is exactly why I moved away from old MBs. I have neither the time nor inclination (any more) to be spending a portion of my weekend or evenings to work on a car, even though I have a place to do it. The day will come when I have the time and resources to tinker again, and when that day comes, I'll find a nice older MB to do it with. Until then, it's strictly utilitarian stuff - get in, turn the key and go. Dan --- On Wed, 1/7/09, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:55 PM Older MB's are obiously a hobby as much as a driver. Same would apply to an older Chevy when it comes right down to it. Sometimes, people just get tired of the ongoing hassle of repairs and maintenance and want a new vehicle that will likely have no issues for a good while. Even a 5 year old north american vehicle is likely to have a lot less troubles than a 25 year old Mercedes. Even if the Mercedes was a top of the line expensive vehicle and has service records to show it was properly cared for. It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. Randy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/0b27883f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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on 1/7/09 15:16, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. Yeah, well in my case there is a slight problem in that I am phobic about being under a car that is off the ground. If I can crawl underneath and work with the car sitting on its tires that is ok, but jackstands forget it. I don't even like going underneath a car on the hoist in my buddy's shop. I may try again this summer using Rhino-ramps, for some reason seeing something solid looks ok to me (as opposed to the steel-frame ramps I have lugged around for 20 years and used twice). The other thing you might want to bear in mind is that not all of us live in sunshine or temperate locales. I live in the snow belt and have no garage, so to begin with I'm stuck using shops for at least five months a year, best case scenario, even for basic stuff. $440 for a shift cable replacement is not paying someone to do something properly, it's flat out robbery. I almost fell on my butt when he handed me the bill. This shop used to hire ex-dealer mechanics, which I understand when it comes to justifying their hourly rate. Now it's just any punk they train up. Nay nay guys. Oh and I liked it SO MUCH when they drained my 6-month-old M1 transmission fluid (which I had instructed them to re-use) and dumped it because we detected particles. Never heard of straining fluid, eh, guys? Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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right, sometimes I dont get out what I mean too well I guess. Mitch Haley wrote: Donald Snook wrote: That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? I think Kleb was saying that if you can't replace a shift cable, you shouldn't drive a 20 year old car which might cost 20% of its value to have somebody else replace the shift cable. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think you should feel that way. In the past, we were able to diagnose and repair many things that we cannot today. I go to the cottage on Lake of the Woods weekends during the summer. Twenty years ago, I might have had some chance of repairing my car if it acted up out there. Pull a plug and see if there is spark. Look down the carb and see if it shoots fuel when I pull back on the throttle. Today, most of that is not going to happen. Cars have become so complicated that they are hard to troubleshoot and there will be no spare parts locally anyway. I might have found spark plugs to fit my old Chevy but the odds are aginst me for most new stuff. There was a time when one might tie a can of gas on the roofrack and limp home if the fuel pump went out. Not going to happen with fuel injection. Secondly, we need some one to buy the new cars and drive them for a couple of years so that we frugal and poor folks can buy them used for a much lower price. I have an 02 Supercrew - nice truck. Lariat trim etc. I would never have paid the new price but someone else did and I got it about 5 years old with about 90K miles on it for maybe a third of the new cost. So far, it has served me well. I carry a basic Haynes manual around when I go out of town but probably would not have a whole lot of luck trying to determine what was wrong if it acted up. I actually had that happen last summer and thankfully the truck limped home and I was able to diagnose and fix in my city yard where I had time and more equipment, including the code reader - was a bad COP. RAndy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of casi...@usermail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum It really bothers me how everything is considered disposable, and people feel entitled to own and operate such a complicated machine without knowing how it works, or how to care for it. Even new cars break down, and in my opinion it's somewhat dangerous to operate a car, especially in remote areas without a basic understanding of how it works, and how to repair it yourself. In addition, nearly any car can be made to last a lifetime and work reliably the whole time if properly cared for, and it's irresponsible not to do so. It's not just a matter of convenience or cost. I don't think anyone has the right to use more of the earths resources than they need just because they can afford to, and are too lazy to do otherwise. /rant Tyler It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You talking about the control pressure cable? If so, that is about a 10 minute job max. That is crazy money. Steve MacSween wrote: on 1/7/09 15:16, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. Yeah, well in my case there is a slight problem in that I am phobic about being under a car that is off the ground. If I can crawl underneath and work with the car sitting on its tires that is ok, but jackstands forget it. I don't even like going underneath a car on the hoist in my buddy's shop. I may try again this summer using Rhino-ramps, for some reason seeing something solid looks ok to me (as opposed to the steel-frame ramps I have lugged around for 20 years and used twice). The other thing you might want to bear in mind is that not all of us live in sunshine or temperate locales. I live in the snow belt and have no garage, so to begin with I'm stuck using shops for at least five months a year, best case scenario, even for basic stuff. $440 for a shift cable replacement is not paying someone to do something properly, it's flat out robbery. I almost fell on my butt when he handed me the bill. This shop used to hire ex-dealer mechanics, which I understand when it comes to justifying their hourly rate. Now it's just any punk they train up. Nay nay guys. Oh and I liked it SO MUCH when they drained my 6-month-old M1 transmission fluid (which I had instructed them to re-use) and dumped it because we detected particles. Never heard of straining fluid, eh, guys? Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.4/1880 - Release Date: 1/7/2009 8:49 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I hear you with crawling under cars when up in the air. So many of the stands now say Made In China too, which does nothing to make me feel any better about crawling under there. lol Ed 300E 2009/1/7 Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca on 1/7/09 15:16, Kaleb C. Striplin at ka...@striplin.net wrote: perhaps I should have said if you dont know how to replace a shift cable on a 126 and dont have alot of money to pay somebody to do it, then you probably should not own it. Nothing ridiculous about that. I have seen far too many of these cars run into the ground by people who dont know how to work on them and cant pay somebody to fix them right. Yeah, well in my case there is a slight problem in that I am phobic about being under a car that is off the ground. If I can crawl underneath and work with the car sitting on its tires that is ok, but jackstands forget it. I don't even like going underneath a car on the hoist in my buddy's shop. I may try again this summer using Rhino-ramps, for some reason seeing something solid looks ok to me (as opposed to the steel-frame ramps I have lugged around for 20 years and used twice). The other thing you might want to bear in mind is that not all of us live in sunshine or temperate locales. I live in the snow belt and have no garage, so to begin with I'm stuck using shops for at least five months a year, best case scenario, even for basic stuff. $440 for a shift cable replacement is not paying someone to do something properly, it's flat out robbery. I almost fell on my butt when he handed me the bill. This shop used to hire ex-dealer mechanics, which I understand when it comes to justifying their hourly rate. Now it's just any punk they train up. Nay nay guys. Oh and I liked it SO MUCH when they drained my 6-month-old M1 transmission fluid (which I had instructed them to re-use) and dumped it because we detected particles. Never heard of straining fluid, eh, guys? Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/e6dbbc0c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have been lucky with mine I guess. I got my 76 115 300D about 4 summers back and have done almost nothing but change the oil so far. I have collected some bits and pieces to do some work but have yet to do it. I really want to check the valve adjustment and I need to recharge the AC but other than that it needs mostly finicky stuff. The door locks are a bit intermittent. I took the radio (aftermarket) out and have the hole in the dash to look at. A new one on the shelf that I have yet to install. Of course, in the time I have had it, I think I have only driven it something like 8K miles so not exactly taxing it either. Runs better now than when I got it. Italian tuneups work. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum This is exactly why I moved away from old MBs. I have neither the time nor inclination (any more) to be spending a portion of my weekend or evenings to work on a car, even though I have a place to do it. The day will come when I have the time and resources to tinker again, and when that day comes, I'll find a nice older MB to do it with. Until then, it's strictly utilitarian stuff - get in, turn the key and go. Dan --- On Wed, 1/7/09, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:55 PM Older MB's are obiously a hobby as much as a driver. Same would apply to an older Chevy when it comes right down to it. Sometimes, people just get tired of the ongoing hassle of repairs and maintenance and want a new vehicle that will likely have no issues for a good while. Even a 5 year old north american vehicle is likely to have a lot less troubles than a 25 year old Mercedes. Even if the Mercedes was a top of the line expensive vehicle and has service records to show it was properly cared for. It is easy to just buy or lease something new, drive it for a couple of years and then do it again. Much more difficult to keep an old car going forward, especially if you care about the old car and want it to last. Randy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/0b27883f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tyler wrote: I don't think anyone has the right to use more of the earths resources than they need just because they can afford to, and are too lazy to do otherwise. Well, in my opinion, I am glad you don't get to make the rules. Otherwise, I would certainly not meet your requirements. I only do the work on my cars that I want to do - otherwise, I pay someone with the skills, training and tools to do the work. An oil change is the perfect example of this. I can change the oil on my car, but why should I unless I really want to. By the time, I buy the oil and the filter, I have spent almost as much as the oil change costs and because I don't have a lift, it is much more difficult to do the oil change. I guess that makes me lazy (or smart). My time is worth a whole lot more than the $20 I would save in changing it myself. I do some things on my cars - change spark plugs, belts, and sometimes I even replace a water pump or an alternator. But, I do that because I enjoy doing it. I like the feeling of accomplishment when I am done. I can also pay the guy at the car wash to wash my car or a detail shop to wax it. But, I am picky when it comes to that and, again, I enjoy doing the work. Based on the value of time, I should probably pay the neighbor kid to mow my lawn, but I can use the exercise and I think I do a better job. By the way, ALL mechanical goods will reach a point where it makes more sense to replace them, instead of to keep repairing them. Anything with moving parts will eventually wear out. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/243db127/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I hear you with crawling under cars when up in the air. So many of the stands now say Made In China too, which does nothing to make me feel any better about crawling under there. lol Me too. I have some expensive but excellent quality USA-made jackstands that are a very different design from the generic Chinese ones, and seem much stronger. I bought them a few years ago from a guy in New Jersey who sells primarily German tools and hop-up parts for BMWs through his web site. Anybody know who I am talking about? I can't find the site now. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have several chunks of large square timber - 12X12 by 16 to 24 inches that I keep in the garage and tuck under the vehicle too along with the jack stands as a bit of a safety cushion if things go bad. One nice thing about 4X4 pickup trucks. Often sufficient room to crawl under and do things without jacking it up. Other things can happen too. I think I reported this incident on here a while back. I was replacing the clutch in our old 4Runner and went home one afternoon to work on it. No one else home. I was putting stuff back together and reached my arm up in over the tranny against the bottom of the cab floor. I got my hand stuck and could not get it back out. Had a bit of a panic attack as I wondered how in the heck I was going to get back out of there. I did not relish the idea of laying under the darned thing while my good wife loosened the tranny cross member to lower it a bit. That sounded risky to me. I sort of like being round rather than flat. In any event, I soon decided that if I got my hand in there, I should be able to get it out and so I wiggled it around and tried different approaches until I did get loose. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I hear you with crawling under cars when up in the air. So many of the stands now say Made In China too, which does nothing to make me feel any better about crawling under there. lol Me too. I have some expensive but excellent quality USA-made jackstands that are a very different design from the generic Chinese ones, and seem much stronger. I bought them a few years ago from a guy in New Jersey who sells primarily German tools and hop-up parts for BMWs through his web site. Anybody know who I am talking about? I can't find the site now. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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R A Bennell wrote: Other things can happen too. I think I reported this incident on here a while back. I was replacing the clutch in our old 4Runner and went home one afternoon to work on it. No one else home. I was putting stuff back together and reached my arm up in over the tranny against the bottom of the cab floor. I got my hand stuck and could not get it back out. One day I was alone in the shop, putting an engine in a Saab 900. I used an air ratchet on the left motor mount bolt, and when the bolt bottomed out, the ratchet jammed my hand against the body. It had a long lever for a throttle, and I couldn't let go to get it to stop hammering my hand into the car. I think I finally got my left hand down there and unplugged the air hose. Next day I started bringing my own Snap-On ratchet to work with a button for a throttle. (boss at that shop would rather I use his tools than worry about getting mine mixed in with his) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
I've got some old Craftsman jack stands that my dad gave me , the type with the pin that can be put into different holes for height adjustment. He's got some 15 year old cheapies, the type that you lift up and they lock in place. They fall back down with one push on the release handle. These are a lot easier to put into place under the car since you just lift them up into position, but I think 'll just stick with the pin type stands and ramps. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Good rundown on what's out there. We went through a similar search last year. SWMBO insisted on a wagon but didn't like the looks of the Magnum so I never drove it. How do you find visibility (CU criticized it)? We eventually went with the Outback but it IS cramped, at least compared to the Sable wagon it replaced (but we are smallish). Only scheduled MX to date. MPG (25.? actual) probably suffers from AWD. Visibility out the back is poor, my main complaint. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 00:49 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
Was it Snook that told me The Ranger has the best in class fuel economy? Mine gets a rock solid 17mpg... I am SIGNIFICANTLY under impressed with that, my '96 Dakota 5.2l v8 was getting 18mpg with runs up to 20mpg. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:23:39 -0500 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 0bc95c758e1541a79ac3ce0ff634f...@scottemachine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Good rundown on what's out there. We went through a similar search last year. SWMBO insisted on a wagon but didn't like the looks of the Magnum so I never drove it. How do you find visibility (CU criticized it)? We eventually went with the Outback but it IS cramped, at least compared to the Sable wagon it replaced (but we are smallish). Only scheduled MX to date. MPG (25.? actual) probably suffers from AWD. Visibility out the back is poor, my main complaint. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 00:49 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/bef14c46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know, but a 96 isn't in your current ranger's class... On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 05:35:09PM -0800, Curt Raymond wrote: Was it Snook that told me The Ranger has the best in class fuel economy? Mine gets a rock solid 17mpg... I am SIGNIFICANTLY under impressed with that, my '96 Dakota 5.2l v8 was getting 18mpg with runs up to 20mpg. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Snook wrote: My time is worth a whole lot more than the $20 I would save in changing it myself. That is a rather cocky and arrogant statement for me to read. You are saying some people are worth the time to change oil? I think all people are worth the time it takes to maintain an item rather than pay some schmuck to do the job - that type of thinking is what gets us into a 6 month cycle of spending $2 trillion for fixing something each of us should have fixed 8 years ago. Ah - I feel a bit fired up about the idiocy that some people are worth less money. I am equally sick of the idiocy that all people should make it or that all people should be healthy. What happened to diversity? We are each different. Some of us own cars that we can work on, and we share that opportunity with some that can't work on cars hence don't own cars - that sounds like a nice kulture. I read your comment as offensive, now I have returned the same back to you - I'm an idiot. That is not news. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
I take no offense to the statement. Simple economics, if you earn more than it cost to pay someone to do a job you're not interested in doing, why not? If you like to tinker, and enjoy changing oil, as many of us do, that's a different story. If you're not all that interesting in changing oil, and you're giving up an hours worth of work at $200 to mess about and save $20, it becomes a bit of a false economy. There's a difference between a hobby and chore. Hard to put a monetary value on a hobby, but it's easy to put one on a chore. Ed 300E 2009/1/7 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Snook wrote: My time is worth a whole lot more than the $20 I would save in changing it myself. That is a rather cocky and arrogant statement for me to read. You are saying some people are worth the time to change oil? I think all people are worth the time it takes to maintain an item rather than pay some schmuck to do the job - that type of thinking is what gets us into a 6 month cycle of spending $2 trillion for fixing something each of us should have fixed 8 years ago. Ah - I feel a bit fired up about the idiocy that some people are worth less money. I am equally sick of the idiocy that all people should make it or that all people should be healthy. What happened to diversity? We are each different. Some of us own cars that we can work on, and we share that opportunity with some that can't work on cars hence don't own cars - that sounds like a nice kulture. I read your comment as offensive, now I have returned the same back to you - I'm an idiot. That is not news. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/507e1bbd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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back in the day, i was a strong believer in you gotta fix your own car. after many many minor injuries and many broken parts (including setting a buick on fire), i concluded that i'm just too old for this shit and started paying people to do it for me. i used to also believe in being my own electrician, plumber, heating/ac guy, etc. i would spend days sorting out the problem, hurting myself and breaking things all throughout the process. and then after investing 30 or so hours of labor and half fixing the problem, I proudly proclaimed myself the manly man. nowadays, i call big john from irish electric. he is a master electrician, both in fact and certification. big john figures out and repairs in 15 minutes what took me 30 hours, does it better than i did it and doesn't break anything. do i today feel less manly? sure. do i today feel more practical and intelligent? absolutely! I have to agree with snook here. in the end, if you can fix your car and enjoy doing it and it doesn't hurt you too badly and you don't spend important time on it you should be spending on other things, then more power to you as you are the manly man! if, however, you can't meet the above criteria it might just make more sense to hire someone to do it for you and still drive an automobile rather than downgrading to a scooter or bicycle. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Kaleb wrote: Well I guess if you got to pay somebody to replace a shift cable on a 126 you probably should not own one. That's a ridiculous statement. If you don't know how to work on a car, you shouldn't own one? Is that what you are saying? Well, I guess that means there are MILLIONS of people who shouldn't own a car. Keep in mind there are some things that are not worth the time to do instead of paying someone else. (What is the value of my time) There are a lot of things on cars, I that I don't know how to do. There are a lot of things that I could do, if I wanted to take the time. There are also things that I do because 1. I know how to do them and 2. I enjoy doing the work on them. But, your suggestion that because someone doesn't know how to do something, they shouldn't own it is crazy. I don't know how to replace the heat exchanger in my furnace, does that mean I shouldn't have one? I can't don't know squat about being an electrician, should I cancel my power at my house? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/1010f899/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/6b3f0426/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you read too much into this, gordon. he is not making a moral valuation between himself and someone else, but rather making a statement about economic preferences. he personally would rather not have $20 and not have to change oil whereas another fella would rather have $20 and change oil than not have $20 and not change oil. it isn't about one guy being better than the other. maybe snook really likes old radios and woudl fix yours for 20 bucks, while the oil change guy wouldn't mess with it unless you paid him a lot more. woud you then say the oil change guy feels himself superior to snook? On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Snook wrote: My time is worth a whole lot more than the $20 I would save in changing it myself. That is a rather cocky and arrogant statement for me to read. You are saying some people are worth the time to change oil? I think all people are worth the time it takes to maintain an item rather than pay some schmuck to do the job - that type of thinking is what gets us into a 6 month cycle of spending $2 trillion for fixing something each of us should have fixed 8 years ago. Ah - I feel a bit fired up about the idiocy that some people are worth less money. I am equally sick of the idiocy that all people should make it or that all people should be healthy. What happened to diversity? We are each different. Some of us own cars that we can work on, and we share that opportunity with some that can't work on cars hence don't own cars - that sounds like a nice kulture. I read your comment as offensive, now I have returned the same back to you - I'm an idiot. That is not news. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090107/3cb46da8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
The visibility I find fine in driving, but I am tall and I think the narrow windows probably work better for me than a shorter person. Parking lots at night and/or in rain or snow mean you drive it like a van when backing up - use the (excellent) mirrors as well as looking behind. The mirrors are the best of any car I have ever driven, obviously developed to balance off the narrow windows. I really, really liked the Forester and came within a hair of buying one. I was actually on the way to drive another one when I decided to visit a dealer with a pile of ex-lease Chryslers on his lot for cheap. That was that. For a 2005 American car my Mag is in incredible shape. Would pass for brand new to most people. Either Chrysler has improved its interior materials vastly, or Chrysler corporate leasing spends major dollars on refurbishing its returns before cycling them through the auction. The leather seats are unmarked and uncreased, everything looks and works as new save a few scratches on the chrome surround of the gear selector. Even the cargo area is pristine. mac on 1/7/09 19:23, Scott Ritchey at ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Good rundown on what's out there. We went through a similar search last year. SWMBO insisted on a wagon but didn't like the looks of the Magnum so I never drove it. How do you find visibility (CU criticized it)? We eventually went with the Outback but it IS cramped, at least compared to the Sable wagon it replaced (but we are smallish). Only scheduled MX to date. MPG (25.? actual) probably suffers from AWD. Visibility out the back is poor, my main complaint. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 00:49 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum Had it two months and no complaints so far. SXT with 3.5 HO. I came to it for reasons of price/value/kick for buck in today's market. After the test drive there was no way I was not buying it. The alternatives (all 2004-2007 models): Ford Ranger (what I set out to buy): not enough headroom, BUMMER Subaru Forester: pricey for what you get, slightly cramped for me Subaru Outback: nice once I folded myself in two to get into it Volkswagen Passat: put me to sleep in 5 minutes Scion Van: kewl but unbearably cheap inside and you can hear every suspension movement every moment you drive Mazda 5: too cramped Volvo xc70: WOW best seats of any car anywhere, decent handling, scary repair stories so I ran away 300e: they are all scary movie time up here now, no decent ones left 300td: only decent one I have seen for months blew up (no joke) the day before I was to go see it Nissan Rogue: too cramped, nice package tho Dodge Caliber: Drove it as a rental for 3 weeks while I shopped. CVT sounds like a roto rooter half the time. Huge inside but I got tired of banging my head every time I got in, really quick. You can start the flames now ;). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
My sister's Mag was holding up well last I saw it at 25K miles. It should last her for years even with the abuse from a family of 5. The interior cleans up well. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
