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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT wash your mouth out

2013-02-07 Thread Dieselhead

Obviously this where this makes another appearance 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVSXi2JgpY


Hendrik
who doesn't pressure washer much


What sez its his car?  Maybe he is the valet or shofer.  Maybe it is 
the mother in law's car.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread dseretakis

That's warm!

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:09 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> Got a spray bottle of Purple Power today and will try it if it's not raining 
> tomorrow.  Also got a spray bottle of 303 at West Marine and will use that 
> when I do the 240D inside.
> It's been cold here off and on; down to 34F a couple of nights ago, but it's 
> warmed up and is 67F at 9:00 EST; was 76F today.
> Gerry
> 
> From: "Jon Agne" 
>> I'll have to try the purple power stuff.
>> I went last week, and as soon as the underspray hit the alternator (only 
>> very front of car in the wash), the electrical stuff went nuts until it 
>> dried.  I have the new voltage regulator, but need to motivate myself to get 
>> under the car when it's d* cold out.
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I went to the car wash, popped the hood, sprayed purple power, then wash my 
>>> car, to let my degreaser have time to work. After I was done soaping up the 
>>> car, I hit the engine with the high pressure soap setting, then I rinsed 
>>> the whole car and rinsed the engine. Just avoid aiming at anything 
>>> electrical. I did this on a 240D but if it were a car with an ECU I would 
>>> be very hesitant to try this technique.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:58 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You mean using their soap spray or your own engine cleaner?
>>>> I have a set of nozzles for my pressure washer (if I can find them) that 
>>>> will give me about the same increase in pressure as the car wash.
>>>> I'll have to ask the local car wash if he uses the same cleaner in the DIY 
>>>> as he does in the wheel spray for the automatic car wash lane.  I've never 
>>>> seen brake dust dirty bundtcake wheels turn out any cleaner for simply 
>>>> spraying on cleaner and and washing it off under light pressure.
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> From: 
>>>>> How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top 
>>>>> of my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked 
>>>>> pretty well.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>>>>>> I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot 
>>>>>> enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily 
>>>>>> residue and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing 
>>>>>> were much better.  Then going after it with steam still did not do much. 
>>>>>> Pressure wash with blasting steam would work well, but it would force 
>>>>>> into places is should not be.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> clay
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
>>>>>>> advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen 
>>>>>>> floor areas etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Manfred
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>>>>>>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>>>>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The 
>>>>>>> ones I
>>>>>>> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>>>>>>> compartment.
>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT wash your mouth out

2013-02-07 Thread dseretakis

Italian plates. Maybe a mobster cleaning up after a crime. 

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Hendrik and fay  wrote:

> Obviously this where this makes another appearance 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVSXi2JgpY
> 
> Hendrik
> who doesn't pressure washer much
> 
> On 08/02/13 00:18, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Yes, this is best reserved for purely mechanical cars such as 123 diesels. A 
>> friend did it on a 560SEC and fried the ECU.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread Gerry Archer

Got a spray bottle of Purple Power today and will try it if it's not raining 
tomorrow.  Also got a spray bottle of 303 at West Marine and will use that 
when I do the 240D inside.
It's been cold here off and on; down to 34F a couple of nights ago, but it's 
warmed up and is 67F at 9:00 EST; was 76F today.

Gerry

From: "Jon Agne" 

I'll have to try the purple power stuff.
I went last week, and as soon as the underspray hit the alternator (only 
very front of car in the wash), the electrical stuff went nuts until it 
dried.  I have the new voltage regulator, but need to motivate myself to 
get under the car when it's d* cold out.

Jon


On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I went to the car wash, popped the hood, sprayed purple power, then wash 
my car, to let my degreaser have time to work. After I was done soaping 
up the car, I hit the engine with the high pressure soap setting, then I 
rinsed the whole car and rinsed the engine. Just avoid aiming at anything 
electrical. I did this on a 240D but if it were a car with an ECU I would 
be very hesitant to try this technique.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:58 AM, "Gerry Archer"  
wrote:



You mean using their soap spray or your own engine cleaner?
I have a set of nozzles for my pressure washer (if I can find them) that 
will give me about the same increase in pressure as the car wash.
I'll have to ask the local car wash if he uses the same cleaner in the 
DIY as he does in the wheel spray for the automatic car wash lane.  I've 
never seen brake dust dirty bundtcake wheels turn out any cleaner for 
simply spraying on cleaner and and washing it off under light pressure.

Gerry

From: 
How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the 
top of my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. 
Worked pretty well.

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not 
hot enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of 
oily residue and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by 
scrubbing were much better.  Then going after it with steam still did 
not do much. Pressure wash with blasting steam would work well, but it 
would force into places is should not be.


clay


On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:

What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen 
floor areas etc.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The 
ones I
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so 
I don't

know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
compartment.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT wash your mouth out

2013-02-07 Thread Hendrik and fay

Obviously this where this makes another appearance 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVSXi2JgpY


Hendrik
who doesn't pressure washer much

On 08/02/13 00:18, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, this is best reserved for purely mechanical cars such as 123 diesels. A 
friend did it on a 560SEC and fried the ECU.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:





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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread dseretakis

Yes, this is best reserved for purely mechanical cars such as 123 diesels. A 
friend did it on a 560SEC and fried the ECU.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top of 
>> my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked pretty 
>> well.
> 
> I did that weekly to the only car I bought new, until an underhood relay 
> failed at two years.
> 
> Probably good to do a couple times a year if you keep the wand away from the 
> electrics.
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread Mitch Haley


dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top of my 
engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked pretty well.


I did that weekly to the only car I bought new, until an underhood relay failed 
at two years.


Probably good to do a couple times a year if you keep the wand away from the 
electrics.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread Jon Agne

I'll have to try the purple power stuff.

I went last week, and as soon as the underspray hit the alternator (only very 
front of car in the wash), the electrical stuff went nuts until it dried.  I 
have the new voltage regulator, but need to motivate myself to get under the 
car when it's d* cold out.

Jon


On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I went to the car wash, popped the hood, sprayed purple power, then wash my 
> car, to let my degreaser have time to work. After I was done soaping up the 
> car, I hit the engine with the high pressure soap setting, then I rinsed the 
> whole car and rinsed the engine. Just avoid aiming at anything electrical. I 
> did this on a 240D but if it were a car with an ECU I would be very hesitant 
> to try this technique.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:58 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
> 
>> You mean using their soap spray or your own engine cleaner?
>> I have a set of nozzles for my pressure washer (if I can find them) that 
>> will give me about the same increase in pressure as the car wash.
>> I'll have to ask the local car wash if he uses the same cleaner in the DIY 
>> as he does in the wheel spray for the automatic car wash lane.  I've never 
>> seen brake dust dirty bundtcake wheels turn out any cleaner for simply 
>> spraying on cleaner and and washing it off under light pressure.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> From: 
>>> How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top of 
>>> my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked pretty 
>>> well.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>>>> I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot 
>>>> enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily 
>>>> residue and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing 
>>>> were much better.  Then going after it with steam still did not do much. 
>>>> Pressure wash with blasting steam would work well, but it would force into 
>>>> places is should not be.
>>>> 
>>>> clay
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
>>>>> advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor 
>>>>> areas etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Manfred
>>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>>>>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones 
>>>>> I
>>>>> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>>>>> compartment.
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread dseretakis

I went to the car wash, popped the hood, sprayed purple power, then wash my 
car, to let my degreaser have time to work. After I was done soaping up the 
car, I hit the engine with the high pressure soap setting, then I rinsed the 
whole car and rinsed the engine. Just avoid aiming at anything electrical. I 
did this on a 240D but if it were a car with an ECU I would be very hesitant to 
try this technique.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:58 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> You mean using their soap spray or your own engine cleaner?
> I have a set of nozzles for my pressure washer (if I can find them) that will 
> give me about the same increase in pressure as the car wash.
> I'll have to ask the local car wash if he uses the same cleaner in the DIY as 
> he does in the wheel spray for the automatic car wash lane.  I've never seen 
> brake dust dirty bundtcake wheels turn out any cleaner for simply spraying on 
> cleaner and and washing it off under light pressure.
> Gerry
> 
> From: 
>> How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top of 
>> my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked pretty 
>> well.
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>>> I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot 
>>> enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily residue 
>>> and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing were much 
>>> better.  Then going after it with steam still did not do much. Pressure 
>>> wash with blasting steam would work well, but it would force into places is 
>>> should not be.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen advertised 
>>>> on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor areas etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Manfred
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>>>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I
>>>> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
>>>> don't
>>>> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>>>> compartment.
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-07 Thread Gerry Archer


You mean using their soap spray or your own engine cleaner?
I have a set of nozzles for my pressure washer (if I can find them) that 
will give me about the same increase in pressure as the car wash.
I'll have to ask the local car wash if he uses the same cleaner in the DIY 
as he does in the wheel spray for the automatic car wash lane.  I've never 
seen brake dust dirty bundtcake wheels turn out any cleaner for simply 
spraying on cleaner and and washing it off under light pressure.

Gerry

From: 
How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top 
of my engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked 
pretty well.

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot 
enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily 
residue and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing 
were much better.  Then going after it with steam still did not do much. 
Pressure wash with blasting steam would work well, but it would force 
into places is should not be.


clay


On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:

What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor 
areas etc.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The 
ones I
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
don't

know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
compartment.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread dseretakis

How about a DIY car wash bay. I did a quick and dirty cleanup of the top of my 
engine before my timing chain replacement a few weeks ago. Worked pretty well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot 
> enough or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily residue 
> and heavy glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing were much 
> better.  Then going after it with steam still did not do much.  Pressure wash 
> with blasting steam would work well, but it would force into places is should 
> not be.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:
> 
>> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen advertised 
>> on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor areas etc.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I
>> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't
>> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>> compartment.
>> Gerry
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Gerry Archer

That's an idea.  I have two old steel propane tanks and the relief valve off 
a water heater which probably opens at 80-100 lbs.  Would have to buy a 
turkey fryer burner.



And a pressure relief valve of some sort.

Michael E. Esh

Go to the rental shop and get a wallpaper remover if you want a hose with 
steam coming out, though it has very little pressure as the tank is just 
a pot with a propane heater -- not like the old steam cleaners that shot 
out a pretty good pressurized steam stream.  You could probably also make 
a serviceable one with an old propane tank and a turkey fryer burner, use 
a long bit of radiator/heater hose for the working end and some sort of 
pipe fitting on the end with a nozzle of some kind, like an air nozzle 
with the valve.


The $20 steamer to go with the $2 oil sucker.

--R

On 2/6/13 3:42 PM, MG wrote:
What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor 
areas etc.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners? The ones 
I
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
don't

know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
compartment.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Gerry Archer


I'll try that and report back.
Gerry

From: 
Get some Purple Power degreaser. Spray on engine wait awhile. Hose off. 
Very good stuff. Or if you want to be kind to the environment, spray on, 
wait, wipe with paper towels. Repeat several times then spray again and 
rinse with hose.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "Gerry Archer"  
wrote:



The Eastwood lacquer sounds like a good idea once the parts are clean.
I rubbed the top of the cruise control unit with a Scotchbrite pad and 
got it down to shiny aluminum, but there's no way to clean it with 
Scotchbrite or any other abrasive cleaner down in the inaccessible place 
without taking everything apart.  Before EPA there were cleaners that 
could be sprayed on a hot engine and then blasted off with an ordinary 
hose.  Several treatments like that and the engine looked pretty clean.
I looked up steam cleaners on the 'net and found a number of them; mostly 
for carpet cleaning.  The prices range from about $100 to $400.


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones 
I used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
don't know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the 
engine compartment.

Gerry

From: 
Have you thought about coating the cad plated bits with a clear satin 
lacquer? Eastwood sells this stuff. I do it occasionally to parts when I 
replace them. It actually works pretty well and you can't see it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)

I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft 
abrasive

wheel of some kind.

Jaime


That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have 
temp/humidity controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold 
air is replaced frequently by warm moist air.  This causes condensation 
on metal parts that are still cold.  This leads to the cad plating 
(Bright) being eaten away, leaving some oxidized zinc (dull) on steel 
parts. Cars I have bought from warm dry climates with shiny cad plating 
turn dull in just one winter exposed to this kind of weather.  Even 
cars stored in unheated garages have this happen.  It is accelerated by 
salt on roads, but it happens to cars in storage too.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Mike Esh

And a pressure relief valve of some sort. 

Michael E. Esh

> Go to the rental shop and get a wallpaper remover if you want a hose with 
> steam coming out, though it has very little pressure as the tank is just a 
> pot with a propane heater -- not like the old steam cleaners that shot out a 
> pretty good pressurized steam stream.  You could probably also make a 
> serviceable one with an old propane tank and a turkey fryer burner, use a 
> long bit of radiator/heater hose for the working end and some sort of pipe 
> fitting on the end with a nozzle of some kind, like an air nozzle with the 
> valve.
> 
> The $20 steamer to go with the $2 oil sucker.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 2/6/13 3:42 PM, MG wrote:
>> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen advertised 
>> on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor areas etc.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>> From: "Gerry Archer" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners? The ones I
>> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't
>> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>> compartment.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread clay monroe

I tried that on Gump and Frosch.  No real clean.  The steam was not hot enough 
or under pressure to blast the gunk much. Slow death of oily residue and heavy 
glop.  Brake cleaner and foamy followed by scrubbing were much better.  Then 
going after it with steam still did not do much.  Pressure wash with blasting 
steam would work well, but it would force into places is should not be.

clay


On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:42 PM, MG wrote:

> What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen advertised on 
> TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor areas etc.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
> From: "Gerry Archer" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
> 
> 
> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I
> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't
> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
> compartment.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Max Dillon

I tried one of those, didn't touch the engine grime, even after soaking with an 
engine cleaner.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

MG  wrote:

>What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
>advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen
>floor 
>areas etc.
>
>Manfred
>
>Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
>From: "Gerry Archer" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>
>
>Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The
>ones I
>used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I
>don't
>know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
>compartment.
>Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Rich Thomas

Go to the rental shop and get a wallpaper remover if you want a hose 
with steam coming out, though it has very little pressure as the tank is 
just a pot with a propane heater -- not like the old steam cleaners that 
shot out a pretty good pressurized steam stream.  You could probably 
also make a serviceable one with an old propane tank and a turkey fryer 
burner, use a long bit of radiator/heater hose for the working end and 
some sort of pipe fitting on the end with a nozzle of some kind, like an 
air nozzle with the valve.


The $20 steamer to go with the $2 oil sucker.

--R

On 2/6/13 3:42 PM, MG wrote:
What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen 
floor areas etc.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners? The 
ones I
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I 
don't

know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
compartment.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread dseretakis

Get some Purple Power degreaser. Spray on engine wait awhile. Hose off. Very 
good stuff. Or if you want to be kind to the environment, spray on, wait, wipe 
with paper towels. Repeat several times then spray again and rinse with hose.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> The Eastwood lacquer sounds like a good idea once the parts are clean.
> I rubbed the top of the cruise control unit with a Scotchbrite pad and got it 
> down to shiny aluminum, but there's no way to clean it with Scotchbrite or 
> any other abrasive cleaner down in the inaccessible place without taking 
> everything apart.  Before EPA there were cleaners that could be sprayed on a 
> hot engine and then blasted off with an ordinary hose.  Several treatments 
> like that and the engine looked pretty clean.
> I looked up steam cleaners on the 'net and found a number of them; mostly for 
> carpet cleaning.  The prices range from about $100 to $400.
> 
> Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I 
> used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't 
> know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine 
> compartment.
> Gerry
> 
> From: 
>> Have you thought about coating the cad plated bits with a clear satin 
>> lacquer? Eastwood sells this stuff. I do it occasionally to parts when I 
>> replace them. It actually works pretty well and you can't see it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
 Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
 
 I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
 everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
 everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
 wheel of some kind.
 
 Jaime
>>> 
>>> That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have temp/humidity 
>>> controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold air is replaced 
>>> frequently by warm moist air.  This causes condensation on metal parts that 
>>> are still cold.  This leads to the cad plating (Bright) being eaten away, 
>>> leaving some oxidized zinc (dull) on steel parts. Cars I have bought from 
>>> warm dry climates with shiny cad plating turn dull in just one winter 
>>> exposed to this kind of weather.  Even cars stored in unheated garages have 
>>> this happen.  It is accelerated by salt on roads, but it happens to cars in 
>>> storage too.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread MG

What about those little hand held steam cleaners that I've seen 
advertised on TV? Blasts the crud off tile grout and small kitchen floor 
areas etc.

Manfred

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:24:41 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't
know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine
compartment.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Rich Thomas

In an attempt to power my supersonic propeller in the aero lab in 
college I hooked up a hydraulic motor, probably torn out of some piece 
of surplus or crashed aviation equipment, to a large hydraulic pump and 
proceeded to blow up the pump, which was as described below.  It is 
actually a quite elegant little design, and hard to put back together 
once exploded, though it can be done, to explode yet again.


--R

On 2/6/13 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote:
Well, anyway, on the internet, I found a cutaway illustration of a 
Nippondenso AC compressor showing rotating cam-like swash plate 
causing little pistons little pistons to reciprocate back and forth to 
to the pumping.  So, they, indeed, ARE very much like the hydraulic 
pumps and motors that I was familiar with on B-47's and B-52's.  
'Appears that our "rotary" compressors are also "axial" and do, 
indeed, include reciprocating pistons - small ones.


Wilton 



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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread WILTON

Well, anyway, on the internet, I found a cutaway illustration of a 
Nippondenso AC compressor showing rotating cam-like swash plate causing 
little pistons little pistons to reciprocate back and forth to to the 
pumping.  So, they, indeed, ARE very much like the hydraulic pumps and 
motors that I was familiar with on B-47's and B-52's.  'Appears that our 
"rotary" compressors are also "axial" and do, indeed, include reciprocating 
pistons - small ones.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


So, are our MB "rotary" compressors, scroll, screw, or the 2 rotating 
element type?  You're right - the hydraulic pumps and hydraulic motors I 
was familiar with on B-47's and B-52's are "axial" with ROTATING cam or 
swash plate, of course.


Wilton

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From: "OK Don" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


You're thinking of an axial engine*,* of which there are several 
variations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashplate_engine

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:07 PM, WILTON  wrote:


No, thanks.  I just like a rotary-type compressor more so than the
pounding/banging recip ones, actually, much like aircraft hydraulic
pump/motor, aren't they - with rotating cam that makes several little
pistons recip.  So, actually, they're combination rotary/recip, aren't
they? So, in that respect, they're not true rotary in the sense of 
Wankel

or gas turbine.


Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Gerry Archer


The Eastwood lacquer sounds like a good idea once the parts are clean.
I rubbed the top of the cruise control unit with a Scotchbrite pad and got 
it down to shiny aluminum, but there's no way to clean it with Scotchbrite 
or any other abrasive cleaner down in the inaccessible place without taking 
everything apart.  Before EPA there were cleaners that could be sprayed on a 
hot engine and then blasted off with an ordinary hose.  Several treatments 
like that and the engine looked pretty clean.
I looked up steam cleaners on the 'net and found a number of them; mostly 
for carpet cleaning.  The prices range from about $100 to $400.


Has anyone had experience with these light duty steam cleaners?  The ones I 
used in years gone by were very large units heated with kerosene, so I don't 
know how effective a carpet type steam cleaner would be in the engine 
compartment.

Gerry

From: 
Have you thought about coating the cad plated bits with a clear satin 
lacquer? Eastwood sells this stuff. I do it occasionally to parts when I 
replace them. It actually works pretty well and you can't see it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)

I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft 
abrasive

wheel of some kind.

Jaime


That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have 
temp/humidity controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold air 
is replaced frequently by warm moist air.  This causes condensation on 
metal parts that are still cold.  This leads to the cad plating (Bright) 
being eaten away, leaving some oxidized zinc (dull) on steel parts. 
Cars I have bought from warm dry climates with shiny cad plating turn 
dull in just one winter exposed to this kind of weather.  Even cars 
stored in unheated garages have this happen.  It is accelerated by salt 
on roads, but it happens to cars in storage too.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread Gerry Archer



From: 
Have you thought about coating the cad plated bits with a clear satin 
lacquer? Eastwood sells this stuff. I do it occasionally to parts when I 
replace them. It actually works pretty well and you can't see it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)

I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft 
abrasive

wheel of some kind.

Jaime


That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have 
temp/humidity controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold air 
is replaced frequently by warm moist air.  This causes condensation on 
metal parts that are still cold.  This leads to the cad plating (Bright) 
being eaten away, leaving some oxidized zinc (dull) on steel parts. 
Cars I have bought from warm dry climates with shiny cad plating turn 
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on roads, but it happens to cars in storage too.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread dseretakis

I believe the anodized aluminum is impossible to fix once it corrodes. Check 
out the Mercedes Source videos on this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Anodized aluminum such as what MB used for window moulding is notoriously 
> difficult, almost impossible, to shine up once the finish has started to 
> oxidize.
> 
> There used to be a trick where you cleaned it as well as possible then put a 
> clear finish on it. It actually looked pretty decent, but there is no 
> removing the oxidation once it starts. Not without damage, that is.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:51 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Jamie, but I was looking for some sort of cleaner that would shine 
>> up the anodized aluminum as well as the less shiny parts.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 
>>> Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
>>> I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
>>> everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
>>> everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
>>> wheel of some kind.
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Gerry Archer 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?
 
 I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found
 anything halfway as good since then.
 Gerry
 
 From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 
 
> I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.
> A
> local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
> the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with an
> orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan in
> front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
> put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
> increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.
> 
> It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
> the
> dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
> thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.
> 
> Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
> Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.
> 
> Here are some photos:
> http://images.jaimekop.com/**2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs 
> wrote:
> 
> Can you give us more details?
>> 
>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>> '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> 
>> Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more
>>> efficient and take up less space.
>>> 
>>> I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I
>>> recall
>>> correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> More efficient less drag on engine
>>> 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a
 rotary?
 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> 
> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for
> an
> 
>> old York.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread dseretakis

Have you thought about coating the cad plated bits with a clear satin lacquer? 
Eastwood sells this stuff. I do it occasionally to parts when I replace them. 
It actually works pretty well and you can't see it.

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On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
>> 
>> I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
>> everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
>> everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
>> wheel of some kind.
>> 
>> Jaime
> 
> That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have temp/humidity 
> controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold air is replaced 
> frequently by warm moist air.  This causes condensation on metal parts that 
> are still cold.  This leads to the cad plating (Bright) being eaten away, 
> leaving some oxidized zinc (dull) on steel parts.   Cars I have bought from 
> warm dry climates with shiny cad plating turn dull in just one winter exposed 
> to this kind of weather.  Even cars stored in unheated garages have this 
> happen.  It is accelerated by salt on roads, but it happens to cars in 
> storage too.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-06 Thread dseretakis

So they are tougher in every regard:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> York compressors are less likely to die from a poorly done 134a conversion 
> because they have a sump with oil in it.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:23:17 -0500
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> 
> Which doesn't suffer from a 134a conversion?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Powerful too and don't suffer with a 134a conversion as bad.
>> 
>> But come out this summer and watch the front of the car shake up and down 
>> when the compressor is running. I guess it sucks down a bunch more power too.
>> 
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Curt Raymond

York compressors are less likely to die from a poorly done 134a conversion 
because they have a sump with oil in it.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:23:17 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

Which doesn't suffer from a 134a conversion?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Powerful too and don't suffer with a 134a conversion as bad.
> 
> But come out this summer and watch the front of the car shake up and down 
> when the compressor is running. I guess it sucks down a bunch more power too.
> 
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Dieselhead


Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)

I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
wheel of some kind.

Jaime


That only works on some parts of the country, unless you have 
temp/humidity controlled garages.  In many parts of the country, cold 
air is replaced frequently by warm moist air.  This causes 
condensation on metal parts that are still cold.  This leads to the 
cad plating (Bright) being eaten away, leaving some oxidized zinc 
(dull) on steel parts.   Cars I have bought from warm dry climates 
with shiny cad plating turn dull in just one winter exposed to this 
kind of weather.  Even cars stored in unheated garages have this 
happen.  It is accelerated by salt on roads, but it happens to cars 
in storage too.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer

The valve cover looks anodized but with a lot of embedded "dirt" that 
doesn't come off with parts cleaner.  Next time I have the valve cover off 
I'll try yours and Jamies technique.
Know what you mean about anodized trim.  It was the same situation back when 
nearly everyone had aluminum frame windows.

Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 
Anodized aluminum such as what MB used for window moulding is notoriously 
difficult, almost impossible, to shine up once the finish has started to 
oxidize.
There used to be a trick where you cleaned it as well as possible then put 
a clear finish on it. It actually looked pretty decent, but there is no 
removing the oxidation once it starts. Not without damage, that is.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:51 PM, "Gerry Archer"  
wrote:

Thanks, Jamie, but I was looking for some sort of cleaner that would 
shine up the anodized aluminum as well as the less shiny parts.

Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft 
abrasive

wheel of some kind.
Jaime

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:

What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?

I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found
anything halfway as good since then.
Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the 
york.

A
local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator 
like
the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with 
an
orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor 
fan in
front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I 
also

put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.

It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome 
on

the
dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no 
issue

thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.

Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in 
traffic.

Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.

Here are some photos:
http://images.jaimekop.com/**2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/

Jaime

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs 
wrote:

Can you give us more details?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)

On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more

efficient and take up less space.

I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I
recall
correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
wrote:

More efficient less drag on engine

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a
rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:

I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit 
for

an

old York.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff

Anodized aluminum such as what MB used for window moulding is notoriously 
difficult, almost impossible, to shine up once the finish has started to 
oxidize.

There used to be a trick where you cleaned it as well as possible then put a 
clear finish on it. It actually looked pretty decent, but there is no removing 
the oxidation once it starts. Not without damage, that is.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:51 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> Thanks, Jamie, but I was looking for some sort of cleaner that would shine up 
> the anodized aluminum as well as the less shiny parts.
> Gerry
> 
> From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 
>> Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
>> I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
>> everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
>> everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
>> wheel of some kind.
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?
>>> 
>>> I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found
>>> anything halfway as good since then.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 
>>> 
 I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.
 A
 local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
 the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with an
 orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan in
 front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
 put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
 increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.
 
 It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
 the
 dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
 thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.
 
 Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
 Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.
 
 Here are some photos:
 http://images.jaimekop.com/**2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/
 
 Jaime
 
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs 
 wrote:
 
 Can you give us more details?
> 
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)
> 
> 
> On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
> Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more
>> efficient and take up less space.
>> 
>> I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I
>> recall
>> correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> More efficient less drag on engine
>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a
>>> rotary?
>>> 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond 
 wrote:
 
 I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for
 an
 
> old York.
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer

Thanks, Jamie, but I was looking for some sort of cleaner that would shine 
up the anodized aluminum as well as the less shiny parts.

Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)
I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
wheel of some kind.
Jaime

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:

What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?

I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found
anything halfway as good since then.
Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.
 A
local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with 
an
orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan 
in

front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.

It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
the
dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.

Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.

Here are some photos:
http://images.jaimekop.com/**2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/

Jaime

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs 
wrote:

 Can you give us more details?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)

On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more

efficient and take up less space.

I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I
recall
correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
wrote:

 More efficient less drag on engine

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a
rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:

 I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for
an

old York.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT kinda grumpy

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer

Tried that this morning, Hendrik, and it worked fine; but when I drove to 
the store it tried to mate with a 450SL.  Took two wreckers to get it down 
and the SL owner was very upset.

Gerry

From: "Hendrik and fay" 

Dog slobber is the go.
Hendrik
who is going to get in trouble

On 05/02/13 14:09, Gerry Archer wrote:

What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?

I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found 
anything halfway as good since then.

Gerry





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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-)

I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through
everything carefully.  I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned
everything as I went along.  The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive
wheel of some kind.

Jaime



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?
>
> I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found
> anything halfway as good since then.
> Gerry
>
> From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 
>
>> I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.
>>  A
>> local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
>> the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with an
>> orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan in
>> front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
>> put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
>> increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.
>>
>> It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
>> the
>> dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
>> thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.
>>
>> Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
>> Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.
>>
>> Here are some photos:
>> http://images.jaimekop.com/**2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Can you give us more details?
>>>
>>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>>> '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more
 efficient and take up less space.

 I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I
 recall
 correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

 Dan

 On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 wrote:

  More efficient less drag on engine

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>  I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a
> rotary?
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for
>> an
>>
>>> old York.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT kinda grumpy

2013-02-05 Thread Hendrik and fay


Dog slobber is the go.

Hendrik
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On 05/02/13 14:09, Gerry Archer wrote:

What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?

I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't 
found anything halfway as good since then.

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Jim Cathey


I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.


I've never seen an automotive compressor that wasn't
reciprocating.  The number and type of pistons vary,
as does the rotary/reciprocating conversion mechanism,
but there are still pistons.  10, in the case of our
Nippondensos.

If the old electrical/plumbing analog holds, it'd take
three pistons in order to produce more-or-less continuous
power transmission.  The York has two, so it's going to
be a lot more lumpy.

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Rick Knoble

On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:12 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?


He finds really low mileage cars. :-)

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread WILTON

So, are our MB "rotary" compressors, scroll, screw, or the 2 rotating 
element type?  You're right - the hydraulic pumps and hydraulic motors I was 
familiar with on B-47's and B-52's are "axial" with ROTATING cam or swash 
plate, of course.


Wilton

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From: "OK Don" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


You're thinking of an axial engine*,* of which there are several 
variations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashplate_engine

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:07 PM, WILTON  wrote:


No, thanks.  I just like a rotary-type compressor more so than the
pounding/banging recip ones, actually, much like aircraft hydraulic
pump/motor, aren't they - with rotating cam that makes several little
pistons recip.  So, actually, they're combination rotary/recip, aren't
they? So, in that respect, they're not true rotary in the sense of Wankel
or gas turbine.


Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread dseretakis

Which doesn't suffer from a 134a conversion?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Powerful too and don't suffer with a 134a conversion as bad.
> 
> But come out this summer and watch the front of the car shake up and down 
> when the compressor is running. I guess it sucks down a bunch more power too.
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:01:15 -0500
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
> Message-ID: <52ab1277-36bc-40dc-b2e2-09eff57b3...@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> 
> I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
>> York. 
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Gerry Archer


What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others?

I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found 
anything halfway as good since then.

Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.  A
local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with an
orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan in
front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.

It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on 
the

dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.

Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.

Here are some photos:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/

Jaime



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


Can you give us more details?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)


On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:


Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more
efficient and take up less space.

I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I 
recall

correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
wrote:

 More efficient less drag on engine


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a 
rotary?


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

 I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for 
an

old York.

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Gerry Archer

The York on my '67 110 was on a heavy frame on the right side.  The mounting 
bolts to the engine kept working loose,  so I finally discarded it.  It 
didn't work well and air conditioning wasn't considered a necessity back 
then either.  Besides that it dropped the usual 32 mpg around town to less 
than 30 mpg.
If the engine had idled smoothly, it probably would have been OK, but 
neither the Indy nor I ever got it smoothed out short of a new pump which 
was too costly.

Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 

I think they are considered more "modern" and do not take quite so much 
power to run. Lighter weight too?


I know there are brackets available to swap from the old York style but I 
hear some of the brackets do not fit well.


Randy

On 04/02/2013 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an 
old York.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with
air conditioning

if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with
no belt


thanks,

xx rick
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Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the
different compressor.
She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket 
install.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Craig

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:11:25 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Thanks... those photos were tanken just after I mounted the compressor,
> so the lines weren't attached yet.  I had to have new hoses made up.
> The gold cylinders were just caps on the connections.  Lots of Yorks
> had two belt groves also, so its not far off.

Now that you mention it, I do recall that.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Thanks... those photos were tanken just after I mounted the compressor, so
the lines weren't attached yet.  I had to have new hoses made up.  The
gold cylinders were just caps on the connections.  Lots of Yorks had two
belt groves also, so its not far off.

Jaime



On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:28:06 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
> wrote:
>
> > It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
> > the dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no
> > issue thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.
> >
> > Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
> >  Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.
> >
> > Here are some photos:
> > http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/
>
> Nice conversion. Looks like it belongs there, except maybe for the two
> belt sheeve that has only one V-belt on it.
>
> What are the gold cylinders at the back on the top of the compressor?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Craig

On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:28:06 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on
> the dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no
> issue thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.
> 
> Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
>  Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.
> 
> Here are some photos:
> http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/

Nice conversion. Looks like it belongs there, except maybe for the two
belt sheeve that has only one V-belt on it.

What are the gold cylinders at the back on the top of the compressor?


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread OK Don

You're thinking of an axial engine*,* of which there are several variations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swashplate_engine

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:07 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> No, thanks.  I just like a rotary-type compressor more so than the
> pounding/banging recip ones, actually, much like aircraft hydraulic
> pump/motor, aren't they - with rotating cam that makes several little
> pistons recip.  So, actually, they're combination rotary/recip, aren't
> they? So, in that respect, they're not true rotary in the sense of Wankel
> or gas turbine.
>
>
> Wilton
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Curt Raymond

Powerful too and don't suffer with a 134a conversion as bad.

But come out this summer and watch the front of the car shake up and down when 
the compressor is running. I guess it sucks down a bunch more power too.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:01:15 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <52ab1277-36bc-40dc-b2e2-09eff57b3...@yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
> York. 
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Dieselhead

Well, rotary aircraft engines are more efficient than recip engines. 
That's why most of the commercial and military aircraft engines are 
jets.


Then there WAS the crypsler gas turbine



No, I'm not THAT fond of rotary; I THOUGHT somebody'd come back with that. ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


On 04/02/2013 3:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton


So, you looking to swap your Benz for a Mazda with a rotary engine?

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

I had a Sanden AC compress fitted in my early W108 in place of the york.  A
local AC shop helped me spec it out.  I installed an AC accumulator like
the ones found on American cars, and replaced the expansion valve with an
orifice tube.  Charged with Freeze12.  I put a large W126 condensor fan in
front, triggered by a relay together with the compressor clutch.  I also
put a vacuum switch in to cut the vacuum to the dashpot on the carb to
increase the idle a bit.  This was back in 2003.

It was wonderful... I had that system so cold I could get the chrome on the
dash over the vents to frost over.  And driving in traffic was no issue
thanks to the fan and higher idle speed.

Before the conversion, the york would just suck the car down in traffic.
 Idle speed too low, vent and engine temps rising, etc.

Here are some photos:
http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_07_12_250S_AC_Compressor/

Jaime

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Can you give us more details?
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)
>
>
> On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more
>> efficient and take up less space.
>>
>> I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I recall
>> correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  More efficient less drag on engine
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

  I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an
> old York.
>
> -Curt
>

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread WILTON

No, thanks.  I just like a rotary-type compressor more so than the 
pounding/banging recip ones, actually, much like aircraft hydraulic 
pump/motor, aren't they - with rotating cam that makes several little 
pistons recip.  So, actually, they're combination rotary/recip, aren't they? 
So, in that respect, they're not true rotary in the sense of Wankel or gas 
turbine.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT



On 04/02/2013 5:07 PM, WILTON wrote:
No, I'm not THAT fond of rotary; I THOUGHT somebody'd come back with 
that. ;<)


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT



On 04/02/2013 3:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton


So, you looking to swap your Benz for a Mazda with a rotary engine?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Randy Bennell


On 04/02/2013 5:07 PM, WILTON wrote:
No, I'm not THAT fond of rotary; I THOUGHT somebody'd come back with 
that. ;<)


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT



On 04/02/2013 3:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton


So, you looking to swap your Benz for a Mazda with a rotary engine?

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Saw a photo of one on the net somewhere just recently.

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread WILTON

No, I'm not THAT fond of rotary; I THOUGHT somebody'd come back with that. 
;<)


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT



On 04/02/2013 3:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton


So, you looking to swap your Benz for a Mazda with a rotary engine?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Benz Hogs


Can you give us more details?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi)

On 2/4/2013 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more efficient and 
take up less space.

I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I recall 
correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:


More efficient less drag on engine

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old York.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Randy Bennell


On 04/02/2013 3:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton


So, you looking to swap your Benz for a Mazda with a rotary engine?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread WILTON


I like continuous rotary motion much better than recip motion.

Wilton

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From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT


Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more 
efficient and take up less space.


I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I recall 
correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.


Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  
wrote:



More efficient less drag on engine

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an 
old York.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with
air conditioning

if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with
no belt


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the
different compressor.
She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket 
install.


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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Dan Penoff

Yorks are bulletproof but very inefficient. Rotaries are far more efficient and 
take up less space.

I have done a couple of conversions from York to Nippondenso (if I recall 
correctly) and with the proper brackets it's a pretty simple job.

Dan

On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> More efficient less drag on engine
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
>>> York. 
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
>>> From: Randy Bennell 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>>> Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html
>>>> 
>>>> the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with 
>>>> air conditioning
>>>> 
>>>> if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with 
>>>> no belt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> xx rick
>>>> Rick Hawkins
>>>> 
>>>> ___
>>> 
>>> Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the 
>>> different compressor.
>>> She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

More efficient less drag on engine

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
>> York. 
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
>> Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> 
>> On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html
>>> 
>>> the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with 
>>> air conditioning
>>> 
>>> if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with 
>>> no belt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> xx rick
>>> Rick Hawkins
>>> 
>>> ___
>> 
>> Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the 
>> different compressor.
>> She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Randy Bennell

I think they are considered more "modern" and do not take quite so much 
power to run. Lighter weight too?


I know there are brackets available to swap from the old York style but 
I hear some of the brackets do not fit well.


Randy

On 04/02/2013 1:01 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old York.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with
air conditioning

if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with
no belt


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the
different compressor.
She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread dseretakis

I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. Why retrofit with a rotary?

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
> York. 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
> From: Randy Bennell 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
> Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html
>> 
>> the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with 
>> air conditioning
>> 
>> if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with 
>> no belt
>> 
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> xx rick
>> Rick Hawkins
>> 
>> ___
> 
> Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the 
> different compressor.
> She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Curt Raymond

I dunno but a rotary compressor is apparently a common retrofit for an old 
York. 

-Curt

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:45 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <510fe39d.9020...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html
>
> the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with 
> air conditioning
>
> if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with 
> no belt
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
> ___

Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the 
different compressor.
She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-04 Thread Randy Bennell


On 02/02/2013 1:24 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with 
air conditioning


if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with 
no belt



thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Perhaps she had an A/C setup installed later? That might explain the 
different compressor.

She may have wished for a factory setup instead of the aftermarket install.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-02 Thread WILTON

As I said, I can be trained to accept that, too, if I know that's what it 
means in a "special" case.  ;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to me 
has always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.

Red also stands for heat, fire, etc.  "It's hot, let's go!"
Or perhaps "STOP glowing!"

I'm OK with red.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-02 Thread Jim Cathey

'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to 
me has always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.


Red also stands for heat, fire, etc.  "It's hot, let's go!"
Or perhaps "STOP glowing!"

I'm OK with red.

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-02 Thread WILTON

'Strange that a glow plug READY light would turn red.  A red light to me has 
always meant DANGER - STOP - TAKE CARE OF PROBLEM, etc.  A green light to 
indicate READY seems much more logical to me, but, of course, I could be 
trained to know that red means READY in this "special" case if that's really 
the case.  ;<)


Wilton

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From: "Rick Hawkins Java" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:24 AM
Subject: [MBZ] nice article BUT



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with  air 
conditioning


if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with  no 
belt



thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-02 Thread Curt Raymond

A rotary compressor no less, that car surely came with a York piston jobbie.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:24:57 -0500
From: Rick Hawkins Java 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] nice article BUT
Message-ID: <8bc5f3ba-8fc6-468a-b894-0d65778f7...@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed;delsp=yes

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/automobiles/a-mercedes-with-tenure.html

the author mentions that the Dr. regretted not getting the car with  
air conditioning

if you look at the photos, the under hood shows an AC compressor with  
no belt


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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