[MOPO] Oscars
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!! Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST certainly the best in this era. And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach Company ON-stage--camera for their well-deserved ovation!! Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the digital set worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the best that New Hollywood has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not. Joe B in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM Yep. From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
Worst show ever??? I disagree. I thought the show was pretty good. Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose. That they can get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive. And worst show ever? Not even close. I guess you guys don't remember Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White. And Franco and Hathaway are appealing. Loved his dress! And it's about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition. I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever seen it, especially in the acting categories. But in all of it really. I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this year, although the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable. I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS. Best Dealer Best Curmudgeon Collector Hottest New Collector Cheapest Collector Best Forger (Kerry Haggard wins every year) Best Achievement in Auctions Snottiest Dealer Snootiest Dealer Most Clueless Collector Worst Designed Poster etc Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote: I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til the end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you are the type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone including UNION help it was worth watching until the end Check out our shop page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unshredded-Nostalgia/128881892341 Check out our shop video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tkfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7Efeature=related jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bonelli Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!! Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST certainly the best in this era. And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach Company ON-stage--camera for their well-deserved ovation!! Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the digital set worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the best that New Hollywood has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not. Joe B in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM Yep. From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
I'm the Most Clueless Collector. Regards, DBT From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby McDaniel Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:06 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Worst show ever??? I disagree. I thought the show was pretty good. Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose. That they can get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive. And worst show ever? Not even close. I guess you guys don't remember Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White. And Franco and Hathaway are appealing. Loved his dress! And it's about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition. I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever seen it, especially in the acting categories. But in all of it really. I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this year, although the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable. I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS. Best Dealer Best Curmudgeon Collector Hottest New Collector Cheapest Collector Best Forger (Kerry Haggard wins every year) Best Achievement in Auctions Snottiest Dealer Snootiest Dealer Most Clueless Collector Worst Designed Poster etc Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote: I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til the end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you are the type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone including UNION help it was worth watching until the end Check out our shop page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unshredded-Nostalgia/128881892341 Check out our shop video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tkfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tkfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7Efeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7Efeature=related jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bonelli Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!! Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST certainly the best in this era. And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach Company ON-stage--camera for their well-deserved ovation!! Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the digital set worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the best that New Hollywood has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not. Joe B in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM Yep. _ From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lists...@listserv.american.ed u In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
If this show was to promote the new, younger, hip audience which they claimed to docan I ask why in the first 15 minutes do the hash out Gone with the Wind from 1939 and get the oldest known actor still alive to give out an award? I bailed within the first 45 minutes. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby McDaniel Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:06 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Worst show ever??? I disagree. I thought the show was pretty good. Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose. That they can get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive. And worst show ever? Not even close. I guess you guys don't remember Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White. And Franco and Hathaway are appealing. Loved his dress! And it's about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition. I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever seen it, especially in the acting categories. But in all of it really. I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this year, although the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable. I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS. Best Dealer Best Curmudgeon Collector Hottest New Collector Cheapest Collector Best Forger (Kerry Haggard wins every year) Best Achievement in Auctions Snottiest Dealer Snootiest Dealer Most Clueless Collector Worst Designed Poster etc Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote: I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til the end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you are the type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone including UNION help it was worth watching until the end Check out our shop page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unshredded-Nostalgia/128881892341 Check out our shop video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-n2AznLA8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tkfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCP7PaO-2tkfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7Efeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojAZcbvL7Efeature=related jim episale Unshredded Nostalgia 323 South main St. Route 9 Barnegat, N.J. 08005 800-872-9990 609-660-2626 http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com http://www.unshreddednostalgia.com Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bonelli Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!! Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST certainly the best in this era. And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach Company ON-stage--camera for their well-deserved ovation!! Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the digital set worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the best that New Hollywood has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not. Joe B in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM Yep. From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=listserv@listserv.america n.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
It was a very boring show. The only way I got through it was with my DVR. I began watching the show about one hour into the actual live broadcast and I hit fast forward through all the commercials and most of the acceptance speeches. I think I watched the entire show in less than 2 hours. For me there were a few good moments such as Kirk Douglas' presentation and Eli Wallach's standing O but to me Justin Timberlake and Sandra Bullock aren't even Grade 'A' players, let alone stars and the choice of the hosts was absurd. At least the obits were done better this year in that you could actually see the screen! FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph Bonelli Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years! Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!! Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST certainly the best in this era. And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach Company ON-stage--camera for their well-deserved ovation!! Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the digital set worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the best that New Hollywood has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not. Joe B in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM Yep. _ From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu http://us.mc1136.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=listserv@listserv.america n.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. I was bored stiff. I changed channels halfway through and then went back at the end to see which won Best Picture (King's Speech was my choice and I enjoyed the movie very much). But as they say, that's what makes horse racing. Judith Weaver 1457 Guava Avenue Melbourne, FL 32935 (PLEASE NOTE NEW ADDRESS!!) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:25:50 -0800 From: fly...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Yep. From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] OSCARS
Clearly Franco was not there...even in his green room interview before the show began he looked tired and was basically paying lip service to the interveiwer his mind was elswhere as it was through the show..he looked like a deer caught in the headlights and Hathaway couldn't do it on her own..As for Kirk douglas god bless him he was actually appropriate and funny..many people find it difficult to watch a physically impaired person in such a forum for more than a short period of time..i think he was great and inspirational..one thing i particularly liked was the way Jeff Bridges and Sandra Bullock introduced the nominees for the best actor and actress it was a nice weaving of personal and professional aspects of the nominees that they brought to the movies they were in...one last thought why not do away with gender based categories and have best actor or actress as one category and the same for best supporting...Alan Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
At 05:32 PM 2/28/2011, Alan Heimann wrote: why not do away with gender based categories and have best actor or actress as one category and the same for best supporting...Alan Alan.. I think making all things in life endogenous would be a negative and not a positive Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Oscars
I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
Yep. From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one ever. . Channing Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today!
I said nothing about your feelings about gays. I discussed how your core ideology seems to color how you are unable to see the virtues in any film you may disagree with politically. And yes some of your posts are long-winded and because of this I don't read them all through. Life is short and Proust is long. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:47 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc -- You're suggesting I'm biased against gays. While using the collective first person plural we -- you said my political slant and core ideology prevented me from being open minded, i.e., loving a film as much as you did. Suit yourself. I AM a pompous know-it-all, I DO write long-winded rants, and yes, I AM often insufferable -- but you don't know me as a friend -- and you don't really know my views about gays. The only thing I'm sure of is you ARE reading my posts from start to finish. I prefer you stay ignorant with your presumptions about me. Life's too short to be angry all the time. -kuz. _ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:18 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today!
It is so rare anymore that I see a newly made movie and think, Wow, that was REALLY great. Bruce That is so true, and so disappointing. I was almost there with Slumdog this year, strictly because of its originality. So many stories are rehashed or even remakes nowadays. (Do we really need an updated version of FAME?) Frost/Nixon was below great but above very good for me. LOL Guess it was VF while Slumdog was VF-NM. I guess I'd have to go back to 1994 when Shawshank, Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump were all nominated to find a year when I thought films might be really great.or at least NM. Even Quiz Show was VF. DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:22 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! David Sorry I botched the quote. I guess it was Craig who nailed it. I didn't know anyone else but you could write so insightfully! As to the whole perspective thing, I wonder if the world will ever grow up enough to quit dividing everyone in groups. I don't get any of it. There are people who I like and admire, and ones I dislike and despise, but it is based on individual traits, not what group they are a member of. I wonder why I lack this sort of bias? Maybe I will acquire it when I finally grow up. When I finally get to see Milk and The Wrestler I will be able to weigh in on these movies. It is so rare anymore that I see a newly made movie and think, Wow, that was REALLY great. Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I think everyone has acquitted themselves well in this debate. Though my feelings about Rourke and The Wrestler -- vs. Penn and Milk -- aren't changed -- I respect the opinons of those who remain solidly behind Milk -- even though I myself wished the story had been constructed better on film. Penn's performance does transcend the material, and while I didn't think Milk was a great film, it did deserve its Best Picture nomination. ** This next part is tricky and expressed very delicately, so please forgive me if this comes out a little awkward. As a person of color -- I feel some of us have difficulty stepping back a little so we can judge material about ourselves more critically. This is true about any group, be they Asians, African-Americans, gays, etc., anyone judging filmed entertainments depicting characters similar or unlike ourselves. Some of us (myself included) -- can be so biased -- that we're not able to distinguish what's truly great -- vs. what's just OK. We're too close to the material. So we sometimes vote the ticket regardless of quality, so long as the portrayal of ourselves is positive. Hence we have people who still think Brokeback Mountain, The Joy Luck Club, Amistad, Dances with Wolves, etc. -- have the equivalence of Citizen Kane. The equal rights and diversity agendas are extremely important -- but when it comes to art -- it should never trump quality, however subjective. Voting for what's noble in art -- can sometimes result in material that becomes dated or puzzling over time, e.g., Gandhi over E.T. -- Crash over Capote, -- Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas -- Lost Weekend, Forrest Gump, Gentleman's Agreement, Rainman, etc., the list goes on. ** I bring this up because I feel Milk and films like it -- were being praised by people -- (not all) -- using a similar prism. I thoroughly enjoyed Milk without an agenda -- despite my complaints about its structure. But my feelings for The Wrestler forced me to confront my own biases against Penn AND Rourke -- before finally deciding Rourke's was the better performance. But my opinions are not facts -- and reading the passions people have expressed about Penn -- further reveals why some justifiably feel Rourke did no more than play himself. Even if I don't agree, it's a valid point. I just don't want people to think that by selecting Rourke over Penn, that I'm treating Penn and his film harshly. The mere fact that some of Milk's fans graciously concede that Penn was great -- while his film was not so great -- is beyond fair. ** This allows me to segue into MoPo itself. I have tried the other forums and MoPo has always been the best for me, dating back to the 1990s. My only complaint is I wish old people like myself would stop hogging things so that more younger people can take part. I feel too many of us are dismissive of young people's tastes, as if we ourselves weren't derided for our own when we were in our teens and twenties. But as young people age, the smarter ones discover older material on their own. Proof? We discovered Bogart, Chaplin, William Powell, Rita Hayworth, etc. -- and I think I'm safe when I say most of us weren't even alive when those legends were at the peak of their careers! So congratulations, MoPo
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today!
I said nothing about your feelings about gays. I discussed how your core ideology seems to color how you are unable to see the virtues in any film you may disagree with politically. And yes some of your posts are long-winded and because of this I don't read them all through. Life is short and Proust is long. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:47 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc -- You're suggesting I'm biased against gays. While using the collective first person plural we -- you said my political slant and core ideology prevented me from being open minded, i.e., loving a film as much as you did. Suit yourself. I AM a pompous know-it-all, I DO write long-winded rants, and yes, I AM often insufferable -- but you don't know me as a friend -- and you don't really know my views about gays. The only thing I'm sure of is you ARE reading my posts from start to finish. I prefer you stay ignorant with your presumptions about me. Life's too short to be angry all the time. -kuz. _ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:18 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today!
You know what. You shut up because David started the political discussion with his politically motivated e-mail about why the Academy didn't applaud Charton Heston and then announced publicly that I couldn't comment as to the reason because I am bigoted against Republicans. An idiotic statement if there ever was one. He then proceeded to explain that the people who like Milk are only liking it because it is re-affirming their existence. So don't tell me to shut up. FRANC -Original Message- From: Fredric [mailto:fredric_march2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:13 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Cc: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! FRANK - please SHUT UP about politics! kusomoto liked the movie, just not as much as you. dude, your too intense. _ Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:27:45 -0800 I said nothing about your feelings about gays. I discussed how your core ideology seems to color how you are unable to see the virtues in any film you may disagree with politically. And yes some of your posts are long-winded and because of this I don't read them all through. Life is short and Proust is long. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:47 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc -- You're suggesting I'm biased against gays. While using the collective first person plural we -- you said my political slant and core ideology prevented me from being open minded, i.e., loving a film as much as you did. Suit yourself. I AM a pompous know-it-all, I DO write long-winded rants, and yes, I AM often insufferable -- but you don't know me as a friend -- and you don't really know my views about gays. The only thing I'm sure of is you ARE reading my posts from start to finish. I prefer you stay ignorant with your presumptions about me. Life's too short to be angry all the time. -kuz. _ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:18 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today!
You poor thing. Because I liked Milk -- but didn't love it -- (and I explained why to the group) -- you ascribe political motives. And no, I never PUBLICLY said you're bigoted against Republicans. I wrote that privately. But since you're coming unhinged, making private discussions public -- why don't I tell the group that you disgustingly told me that you would never Oh, never mind, I'm not gonna sink to your level. BTW, the flame from the fellow with bad manners who told you to shut up -- never reached the MoPo group. You're not having a good day; so take the bait, have the last word, say whatever you want because my end of this ridiculous public exchange with you is over. -d. -Original Message- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:11:35 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU You know what. You shut up because David started the political discussion with his politically motivated e-mail about why the Academy didn't applaud Charton Heston and then announced publicly that I couldn't comment as to the reason because I am bigoted against Republicans. An idiotic statement if there ever was one. He then proceeded to explain that the people who like Milk are only liking it because it is re-affirming their existence. So don't tell me to shut up. FRANC -Original Message- From: Fredric [mailto:fredric_march2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:13 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Cc: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! FRANK - please SHUT UP about politics! kusomoto liked the movie, just not as much as you. dude, your too intense. _ Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:27:45 -0800 I said nothing about your feelings about gays. I discussed how your core ideology seems to color how you are unable to see the virtues in any film you may disagree with politically. And yes some of your posts are long-winded and because of this I don't read them all through. Life is short and Proust is long. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:47 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! Franc -- You're suggesting I'm biased against gays. While using the collective first person plural we -- you said my political slant and core ideology prevented me from being open minded, i.e., loving a film as much as you did. Suit yourself. I AM a pompous know-it-all, I DO write long-winded rants, and yes, I AM often insufferable -- but you don't know me as a friend -- and you don't really know my views about gays. The only thing I'm sure of is you ARE reading my posts from start to finish. I prefer you stay ignorant with your presumptions about me. Life's too short to be angry all the time. -kuz. _ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:18 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
I agree with Joe. The opening number was lots of fun. We were at a party and everyone was laughing. And we liked the group tributes to the actor nominees. It added a personal dimension. Far more interesting than just reading a list of names. Not the best show ever but definitely good. I don't know why people had trouble reading the names on the In Memorium tribute. We didn't have any problems. Craig. At 08:05 AM 2/23/2009, Joseph Bonelli wrote: Sorry, guys!! Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number! On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!! Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as Bacchus) PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV personality hosts! Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all. --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylorProfile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
At 10:53 AM 2/23/2009, rixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars The rules for the Oscars are a bizarre amalgam of attempts to correct problems by which they create new and different problems. In order to eliminate nominations for songs unrelated to the content of the film but included at the end to goose up soundtrack album sales, the Academy change the rules a couple years ago to declare that songs had to appear during the film and could not be just in the credits (this also dealt with Disney's submitting versions of songs sung by rock stars over the closing credits rather than the version sung by voice actors during the actual film). That's what did in Springstein's song The Wrestler. Seeing which songs ended up getting nominations and which songs were ineligible this year (there was another really good song that got axed for similar reasons but I forget what it was at the moment), the Academy is going back in to once again rethink the Best Song category's rules for next year. Craig. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
At 12:18 PM 2/23/2009, David Kusumoto wrote: I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win. Sean Penn is an outstanding actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging and wonderful turn as an heroic figure -- in what I thought was a conventionally structured, by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the standard where-are-they-now text epilogue. His performance was noble and deserving -- but his victory was politically correct and in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to anoint things historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing ovation). But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey Rourke's shattering, full-range performance in The Wrestler. I am not a fan of Mickey Rourke and dislike him intensely. But I could not ignore -- having seen all the performances nominated this year -- what he did in this picture, from start to finish. His character was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what I believe have been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 -- including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs (win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks). This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. I thought he deserved the award (although I also thought that Mickey Rourke was excellent). While not related to who should win for their performance, I thought Milk a better film than The Wrestler. Rourke and Marisa Tomei were both great but the film was only okay. Craig. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
Peter Gabriel had an opportunity to perform his song. He declined. (It would have been better to give each song more than 65 seconds in a medley, which is what he objected to, but it wasn't that the Academy or the show's producers who wouldn't let him perform.) Craig. At 01:47 PM 2/23/2009, Toochis Morin wrote: I agree with your comments. I wish Peter Gabriel got to perform his song. toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:31:47 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS? i agree, rick--add to that that 2 of the 3 of the nominated songs were from SLUMDOG. and could the composer/songwriter from SLUMDOG have been any less ungrateful (or at least sounding and appearing so)? gimme a break with that. Springsteen's song should have at least been in the running. on a side note-- i also really missed showing a brief clip of the nominees-- usually giving just a taste of the performance they have been nominated for. the rather boring 5 panel salutes of being talked down to from the stage by past winners?? OK, the first time was unique--i had NO idea that was going to be the theme. and i think Michael Douglas had about 3 lines to say about Frank Langella?? man o man... jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:53 AM, mailto:rixpost...@aol.comrixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars Rick -- You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.comwww.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
At 02:06 PM 2/23/2009, Dave Smith wrote: Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? They did show it. Last year. He died just prior to last year's award show and was included in last year's In Memorium segment. Craig. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
At 02:37 PM 2/23/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote: that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect It was not technically, incorrect. It's people who died *in the* last year, not people who died last year. There's nothing about it being for those dead before December 31st. Craig. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
many people had problems reading the names on the flat screens. some camera shots were zoomed out too much, or those on crane arms moving from one flat screen to the other often made it a bit of a distraction. the simple full screen presentation of this montage with music playing beneath should be the way to go. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Craig Miller wrote: I don't know why people had trouble reading the names on the In Memorium tribute. We didn't have any problems. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
I agree with Craig. I thought the show was good. Took some chances. Some worked well. I was pleased with the Oscar awards, especially Dustin Lance Black's screenwriting award for MILK, and Penn, of course. I have not seen most of the films nominated - I guess I have something to look forward to on Blu-Ray. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:22 AM, Craig Miller wrote: I agree with Joe. The opening number was lots of fun. We were at a party and everyone was laughing. And we liked the group tributes to the actor nominees. It added a personal dimension. Far more interesting than just reading a list of names. Not the best show ever but definitely good. I don't know why people had trouble reading the names on the In Memorium tribute. We didn't have any problems. Craig. At 08:05 AM 2/23/2009, Joseph Bonelli wrote: Sorry, guys!! Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number! On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!! Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as Bacchus) PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV personality hosts! Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all. --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
The rules for what qualifies as best song are just plain stupid. it's a good thing they are going back to the drawing board on this one. Richard Richard Del Belso Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:36:57 -0800 From: cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS? To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU At 10:53 AM 2/23/2009, rixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars The rules for the Oscars are a bizarre amalgam of attempts to correct problems by which they create new and different problems. In order to eliminate nominations for songs unrelated to the content of the film but included at the end to goose up soundtrack album sales, the Academy change the rules a couple years ago to declare that songs had to appear during the film and could not be just in the credits (this also dealt with Disney's submitting versions of songs sung by rock stars over the closing credits rather than the version sung by voice actors during the actual film). That's what did in Springstein's song The Wrestler. Seeing which songs ended up getting nominations and which songs were ineligible this year (there was another really good song that got axed for similar reasons but I forget what it was at the moment), the Academy is going back in to once again rethink the Best Song category's rules for next year. Craig. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
this does more than preach to a choir of believers who know how the story ends. Milk is based on titanic material -- but lacks the necessary balance of subtlety, sledgehammer and innovation -- that should have left all other pictures in the dust. This is why perhaps in my view only, Milk does not feel best or even new. It's supposed to play out like a high-stakes emotional drama, not a paint-by-numbers canonization. The national scope of the story with Anita Bryant and other villains are treated like a documentary. The movie's engine is Penn's charisma, not the script, and this doesn't quite feel right. And I've purposely left out the fact -- (because most people haven't seen it) -- that this same material was covered in a superior documentary, The Life and Times of Harvey Milk in 1984. I'm back again. It's ironic that Milk is even being debated against The Wrestler -- when the more relevant discussion as it relates to the Oscars -- is how Slumdog overcame its flaws and beat everybody up. My wife and I liked Slumdog, but it didn't move us in the same way the meditative and reflective Benjamin Button did, however over produced it was. Its existential ideas about the transient nature of life, love and mortality matter to anyone over 50. Maybe that's why it's a box office failure. Could its weighty ideas been explored as effectively for less money? Maybe. But what a handsome picture it is. -d. Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:53:11 -0800 To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com From: cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU At 12:18 PM 2/23/2009, David Kusumoto wrote: I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win. Sean Penn is an outstanding actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging and wonderful turn as an heroic figure -- in what I thought was a conventionally structured, by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the standard where-are-they-now text epilogue. His performance was noble and deserving -- but his victory was politically correct and in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to anoint things historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing ovation). But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey Rourke's shattering, full-range performance in The Wrestler. I am not a fan of Mickey Rourke and dislike him intensely. But I could not ignore -- having seen all the performances nominated this year -- what he did in this picture, from start to finish. His character was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what I believe have been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 -- including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs (win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks). This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. I thought he deserved the award (although I also thought that Mickey Rourke was excellent). While not related to who should win for their performance, I thought Milk a better film than The Wrestler. Rourke and Marisa Tomei were both great but the film was only okay. Craig. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness. Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke. But in the case of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its conservatives to refrain from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and Rourke (but I'm in no way putting Rourke in the same iconic league as Heston and Wayne). It's just a double-standard about Hollywood itself in the post-Vietnam era. I hope you are happy for Sean Penn's win because of his performance -- without regard to issues regarding the nobility and heroic nature of Harvey Milk himself. Because for the longest time, I felt Penn OWNED the best performance of 2008 -- slam dunk -- UNTIL I saw The Wrestler. It was then I had to face down my own prejudices against Rourke -- and decide as honestly as I could -- who turned in the better performance. Penn was great, but Rourke's was something you see about as often, as I said, as a DeNiro in Raging Bull or a Hopkins in Lambs. I'm not kidding, I went in with low expectations, almost rooting against the picture because
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. _ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness. Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke. But in the case of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its conservatives to refrain from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and Rourke (but I'm in no way putting Rourke in the same iconic league as Heston and Wayne). It's just a double-standard about Hollywood itself in the post-Vietnam era. I hope you are happy for Sean Penn's win because of his performance -- without regard to issues regarding
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so... jeff On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote: Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right- wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness. Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke. But in the case of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
Oddly enough I feel the way about posts to MOPO! Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Jeff Potokar To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so... jeff On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote: Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. -- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month
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MessageI thought Mickey Rourke was playing Johnny Depp at the Oscars, a little color in his hair would have nailed it. Did anyone miss Jack Nicholson in the front row? I think this was the first year in many. Doug - Original Message - From: Franc To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right-wing comments and his, for wont
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i didnt see clint eastwood there, either. jeff On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Douglas Ball wrote: I thought Mickey Rourke was playing Johnny Depp at the Oscars, a little color in his hair would have nailed it. Did anyone miss Jack Nicholson in the front row? I think this was the first year in many. Doug - Original Message - From: Franc To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right- wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness
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What is interesting about it is when someone really gives you a clear vision of why they have that opinion. For me, not only do I learn alot about that person, but I am often enlightend to something I didn't even see. I, too, thought Sean Penn was great in Milk. I loved the film and it had a huge impact on me as I left the theater. I thought Penn's acceptance speach was wonderful and give him alot of credit for voicing an opinion that is not exactly a popular one. There are many, that while they may share the same opinion, would not voice it in a public forum such as the awards are thinking it might hurt their careers. Personally, I thought Sean Penn was even better in I am Sam and was overlooked for the award that time. I guess it was his time and this was the film that was going to do it. This is a film that will be just a great on your t.v. Sue Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:07 -0800 From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so... jeff On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote: Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu David wrote: This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see acting. But in Milk, he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r. You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those actor types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list. I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way. I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every single night! There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold. I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, How did you play straight all these years?, meaning it was such a great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that well! Bruce On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's
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** I think everyone has acquitted themselves well in this debate. Though my feelings about Rourke and The Wrestler -- vs. Penn and Milk -- aren't changed -- I respect the opinons of those who remain solidly behind Milk -- even though I myself wished the story had been constructed better on film. Penn's performance does transcend the material, and while I didn't think Milk was a great film, it did deserve its Best Picture nomination. ** This next part is tricky and expressed very delicately, so please forgive me if this comes out a little awkward. As a person of color -- I feel some of us have difficulty stepping back a little so we can judge material about ourselves more critically. This is true about any group, be they Asians, African-Americans, gays, etc., anyone judging filmed entertainments depicting characters similar or unlike ourselves. Some of us (myself included) -- can be so biased -- that we're not able to distinguish what's truly great -- vs. what's just OK. We're too close to the material. So we sometimes vote the ticket regardless of quality, so long as the portrayal of ourselves is positive. Hence we have people who still think Brokeback Mountain, The Joy Luck Club, Amistad, Dances with Wolves, etc. -- have the equivalence of Citizen Kane. The equal rights and diversity agendas are extremely important -- but when it comes to art -- it should never trump quality, however subjective. Voting for what's noble in art -- can sometimes result in material that becomes dated or puzzling over time, e.g., Gandhi over E.T. -- Crash over Capote, -- Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas -- Lost Weekend, Forrest Gump, Gentleman's Agreement, Rainman, etc., the list goes on. ** I bring this up because I feel Milk and films like it -- were being praised by people -- (not all) -- using a similar prism. I thoroughly enjoyed Milk without an agenda -- despite my complaints about its structure. But my feelings for The Wrestler forced me to confront my own biases against Penn AND Rourke -- before finally deciding Rourke's was the better performance. But my opinions are not facts -- and reading the passions people have expressed about Penn -- further reveals why some justifiably feel Rourke did no more than play himself. Even if I don't agree, it's a valid point. I just don't want people to think that by selecting Rourke over Penn, that I'm treating Penn and his film harshly. The mere fact that some of Milk's fans graciously concede that Penn was great -- while his film was not so great -- is beyond fair. ** This allows me to segue into MoPo itself. I have tried the other forums and MoPo has always been the best for me, dating back to the 1990s. My only complaint is I wish old people like myself would stop hogging things so that more younger people can take part. I feel too many of us are dismissive of young people's tastes, as if we ourselves weren't derided for our own when we were in our teens and twenties. But as young people age, the smarter ones discover older material on their own. Proof? We discovered Bogart, Chaplin, William Powell, Rita Hayworth, etc. -- and I think I'm safe when I say most of us weren't even alive when those legends were at the peak of their careers! So congratulations, MoPo! And congratulations to all of its members! -kuz w/the news. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:49:51 + From: filmfantast...@msn.com Subject: Re: OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU What is interesting about it is when someone really gives you a clear vision of why they have that opinion. For me, not only do I learn alot about that person, but I am often enlightend to something I didn't even see. I, too, thought Sean Penn was great in Milk. I loved the film and it had a huge impact on me as I left the theater. I thought Penn's acceptance speach was wonderful and give him alot of credit for voicing an opinion that is not exactly a popular one. There are many, that while they may share the same opinion, would not voice it in a public forum such as the awards are thinking it might hurt their careers. Personally, I thought Sean Penn was even better in I am Sam and was overlooked for the award that time. I guess it was his time and this was the film that was going to do it. This is a film that will be just a great on your t.v. Sue -Original Message- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:07 -0800 From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so... jeff -Original Message- On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote: Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very
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There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:39 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! ** I think everyone has acquitted themselves well in this debate. Though my feelings about Rourke and The Wrestler -- vs. Penn and Milk -- aren't changed -- I respect the opinons of those who remain solidly behind Milk -- even though I myself wished the story had been constructed better on film. Penn's performance does transcend the material, and while I didn't think Milk was a great film, it did deserve its Best Picture nomination. ** This next part is tricky and expressed very delicately, so please forgive me if this comes out a little awkward. As a person of color -- I feel some of us have difficulty stepping back a little so we can judge material about ourselves more critically. This is true about any group, be they Asians, African-Americans, gays, etc., anyone judging filmed entertainments depicting characters similar or unlike ourselves. Some of us (myself included) -- can be so biased -- that we're not able to distinguish what's truly great -- vs. what's just OK. We're too close to the material. So we sometimes vote the ticket regardless of quality, so long as the portrayal of ourselves is positive. Hence we have people who still think Brokeback Mountain, The Joy Luck Club, Amistad, Dances with Wolves, etc. -- have the equivalence of Citizen Kane. The equal rights and diversity agendas are extremely important -- but when it comes to art -- it should never trump quality, however subjective. Voting for what's noble in art -- can sometimes result in material that becomes dated or puzzling over time, e.g., Gandhi over E.T. -- Crash over Capote, -- Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas -- Lost Weekend, Forrest Gump, Gentleman's Agreement, Rainman, etc., the list goes on. ** I bring this up because I feel Milk and films like it -- were being praised by people -- (not all) -- using a similar prism. I thoroughly enjoyed Milk without an agenda -- despite my complaints about its structure. But my feelings for The Wrestler forced me to confront my own biases against Penn AND Rourke -- before finally deciding Rourke's was the better performance. But my opinions are not facts -- and reading the passions people have expressed about Penn -- further reveals why some justifiably feel Rourke did no more than play himself. Even if I don't agree, it's a valid point. I just don't want people to think that by selecting Rourke over Penn, that I'm treating Penn and his film harshly. The mere fact that some of Milk's fans graciously concede that Penn was great -- while his film was not so great -- is beyond fair. ** This allows me to segue into MoPo itself. I have tried the other forums and MoPo has always been the best for me, dating back to the 1990s. My only complaint is I wish old people like myself would stop hogging things so that more younger people can take part. I feel too many of us are dismissive of young people's tastes, as if we ourselves weren't derided for our own when we were in our teens and twenties. But as young people age, the smarter ones discover older material on their own. Proof? We discovered Bogart, Chaplin, William Powell, Rita Hayworth, etc. -- and I think I'm safe when I say most of us weren't even alive when those legends were at the peak of their careers! So congratulations, MoPo! And congratulations to all of its members! -kuz w/the news. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:49:51 + From: filmfantast...@msn.com Subject: Re: OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU What is interesting about it is when someone really gives you a clear vision of why they have that opinion. For me, not only do I learn alot about that person, but I am often enlightend to something I didn't even see. I, too, thought Sean Penn was great in Milk. I loved the film and it had a huge impact on me as I left the theater. I thought Penn's acceptance speach was wonderful and give him alot of credit for voicing an opinion that is not exactly a popular one. There are many, that while they may share the same opinion, would not voice it in a public forum such as the awards are thinking it might hurt their careers. Personally, I thought Sean Penn was even better in I am Sam and was overlooked for the award that time. I guess it was his time and this was the film that was going to do it. This is a film that will be just a great on your t.v. Sue -Original Message- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:07 -0800 From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU this is the great
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Franc -- You're suggesting I'm biased against gays. While using the collective first person plural we -- you said my political slant and core ideology prevented me from being open minded, i.e., loving a film as much as you did. Suit yourself. I AM a pompous know-it-all, I DO write long-winded rants, and yes, I AM often insufferable -- but you don't know me as a friend -- and you don't really know my views about gays. The only thing I'm sure of is you ARE reading my posts from start to finish. I prefer you stay ignorant with your presumptions about me. Life's too short to be angry all the time. -kuz. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:27:18 -0500 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: OSCARS and MoPo Turns 14 Today! To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU There are also those among us who fail to turn that prism to discover that perhaps their own political slants are preventing them from fully appreciating films whose core ideology seriously challenge the beliefs of the viewer. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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was even better in I am Sam and was overlooked for the award that time. I guess it was his time and this was the film that was going to do it. This is a film that will be just a great on your t.v. Sue -Original Message- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:07 -0800 From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so... jeff -Original Message- On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote: Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC -Original Message- *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU ] *On Behalf Of *David Kusumoto *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] OSCARS Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note. Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that Milk as a film was better than The Wrestler. He defended both views admirably, and nailed why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic. I myself would not drive two hours to see Milk again. But I would do it to see The Wrestler -- because of the originality of its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance. -Original Message- On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Craig: No argument here as to Milk being Sean Penn's best performance ever. I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was phenomenal. And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke. I think the appeal of Milk vs. The Wrestler (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down. For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness. Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke. But in the case of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its conservatives to refrain from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and Rourke (but I'm in no way putting Rourke in the same iconic league as Heston and Wayne). It's just a double-standard about Hollywood itself in the post-Vietnam era. I hope you are happy for Sean Penn's win because of his performance -- without regard to issues regarding the nobility and heroic nature of Harvey Milk himself. Because for the longest time, I felt Penn OWNED the best performance of 2008 -- slam dunk -- UNTIL I saw The Wrestler. It was then I had to face down my own prejudices against Rourke -- and decide as honestly as I could -- who turned in the better performance. Penn was great, but Rourke's was something you see about as often, as I said, as a DeNiro in Raging Bull or a Hopkins in Lambs. I'm not kidding, I went in with low expectations, almost rooting against the picture because of all I had seen before. But the acting and the film were amazing. Not what I expected. I felt The Wrestler should have been nominated for Best Picture. It had an austere, hand-held, grainy authenticity many would appreciate. I so did NOT want to see the picture, but I came out feeling it was time well worth spent. Now as to the merits of Milk vs. any other film nominated in the Best Picture category. My view is Milk was structured conventionally like any standard bio-pic. But Penn's performance transcends the linear construct. Without him, Milk sinks like a dead weight TV-movie. Had Milk been presented more innovatively -- Harvey Milk's journey and accomplishments -- would've felt more profound and emotional with audiences of all stripes, gay AND straight. I am always hoping a film like this does more than preach to a choir of believers who know how the story ends. Milk is based on titanic material -- but lacks the necessary balance of subtlety, sledgehammer
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
i wasnt going to say anything... but Hugh has also bought a few things from me, as well; i guess that makes him a client of mine, too. On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:53 PM, jboh...@aol.com wrote: Thats Funny Hugh is also a client of mine. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst of a Hollywood wet dream. The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty choruses of I'll Be Seeing You. And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to Frost/Nixon or Milk. Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke. Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think happened with Rouke. I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
I agree on all counts except Slumdog. I think Slumdog deserved its win. It's not an all-time great but it only needs to be better than this year's competition, which I think it generally was. I appreciated the originality of Slumdog's story.something we seem to see less and less of these days. (After the Oscars they were promoting the remake of Fame. ??? I didn't know they were doing one and just can't believe there is a need to go through that again. Personally, my Best Pictures for 2008 were: 1.Slumdog 2.Frost/Nixon (virtually in a tie with Slumdog, IMHO) 3.Ben Button 4.Milk DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Franc Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:44 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst of a Hollywood wet dream. The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty choruses of I'll Be Seeing You. And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to Frost/Nixon or Milk. Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke. Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think happened with Rouke. I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
MessageMickey Rourke may have been placed in the midst of a Hollywood hype, but his performance was outstanding nontheless, and deserving of a nomination at the very least. Those who saw the the movie early on, before the hype, knew that they witnessed a great performance. If I'm not mistaken, this is one example where the media jumped on the band wagon after word of mouth, from film-festival-goers, earmarked the movie as worthy. Zeev - Original Message - From: Franc To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst of a Hollywood wet dream. The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty choruses of I'll Be Seeing You. And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to Frost/Nixon or Milk. Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke. Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think happened with Rouke. I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
I actually enjoyed the oscars forthe first time in many years.Jackman was better than most the idea of five past winners in a catorgory, presenting that catagory, recognizes the continuity of the academy. The roundup synopsis at the beginning of some of the catorgories was well done.And finally the majority of the acceptance speeches were both short and non political. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of flixs...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] OSCARS STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM! After hearing the interminable intros of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate, Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN my guess its because of the calla lilies. FREEMAN -- Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
Sorry, guys!! Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number! On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!! Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as Bacchus) PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV personality hosts! Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all. --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Oscars
Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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I found the whole show about the same as it always is on the tedium level; which is to say quite high. But I also think that's almost inevitable in any awards show, whether it's the Oscars or your local Jaycee's Young Entrepreneurs of the Year. No matter what, they just can't get away from reading lists of names, then naming a winner who makes a speech that usually only means something to themselves and their immediate family. That's the nature of the beast. That said, I found this year's innovations kind of laughable, consisting mainly of even more self-congratulation, like there isn't already enough of that. The big salute to musicals was a disaster; overblown, confusing and totally soulless (btw, Beyonce, who we already see wy too much of, lip-synced through it while most, if not all, the other performers sang live, not that I was watching all that closely). Then I found out it was produced by Baz Luhrmann and that explained everything. And I agree with whoever was disappointed with the In Memorium segment. With all the swooping camera shots of the screen on the stage, half the time I couldn't make out the names of those being honored, which is REALLY unfair to those whose faces we might not recognize, like screenwriters. But basically, as I said, tedious. A corporate industry event that just happens to include celebrities. But of course I watched (nearly) every minute. It's a guilty pleasure. Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: jim To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS I actually enjoyed the oscars forthe first time in many years.Jackman was better than most the idea of five past winners in a catorgory, presenting that catagory, recognizes the continuity of the academy. The roundup synopsis at the beginning of some of the catorgories was well done.And finally the majority of the acceptance speeches were both short and non political. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of flixs...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] OSCARS STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM! After hearing the interminable intros of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate, Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN my guess its because of the calla lilies. FREEMAN Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
I think Dark Knight was the best film of 2008...It wasn't nominated because it's a comic book adaption but it was perfect entertainment. Why do we always have to have an arty farty film as best picture? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
hey channing.as concerns the Ledger win, i can't comment in comparison to competition as i haven't seen the other films i'm guessing hoffman was excellent , but i do think ledgers portrayal of the joker was rivetingbut i don't agree with lumping forest gump with films not deserving of a best film award..i think it is one of the best movies in the last 20 years...Aln From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@worldnet.att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: 02/23/2009 11:15 AM Subject:[MOPO] Oscars Sent by:MoPo List mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently... The Academy has some explaining to do for this one... Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Cheers, Bob - Original Message - From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@worldnet.att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars Rick **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
As for the show, the production values were better than the content, just like most of the movies. As a complete non-fan of Hollywood's prestige offerings - AMERICAN BEAUTY, CRASH, BENJAMIN BUTTON, etc. - and as a firm believer that the best of the action (and sometimes animation and other technique-heavy) films come closer to what the movies are really about and what contemporary film makers do best - I was particularly disappointed to see the effects awards also going to the boring movies. CK MacLeod Collectibles at ckmac.com http://ckmac.com/ Kymar's on eBay http://stores.ebay.com/Kymars-Stuff -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of Joseph Bonelli Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 08:05 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons Sorry, guys!! Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number! On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!! Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as Bacchus) PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV personality hosts! Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all. --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com wrote: From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
Here, Here!! No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently... this kind of sympathy vote really makes one wonder about how the academy truly considers a vote. this award was a no brainer, as far as who was thought to be the winner (and i am talking even as far back as last march..LOL). the OBIT tribute was a mess, truly insulting with cameras on boom arms, cutting off the names and titles, at times, as well as often being too far back. why change the way these have been done in the past--using a some appropriate instrumental along with full screen images or clips of those that have passed. the musical montage was also a mess (can one say musical variety hour?) and i was rather unimpressed with the various short montages that were titled such things as ROMANCE IN 2008 and ACTION IN 2008. hugh jackman's hoofing and singing also got to be too much--he certainly is NO fred astaire. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Robert D. Brooks wrote: I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently... The Academy has some explaining to do for this one... Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Cheers, Bob - Original Message - From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@worldnet.att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
Ditto on Heath Ledger. He deserved an Oscar for Brokeback Mt, not that Batman piece of dreck. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of channinglylethomson Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:15 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
i agree, rick--add to that that 2 of the 3 of the nominated songs were from SLUMDOG. and could the composer/songwriter from SLUMDOG have been any less ungrateful (or at least sounding and appearing so)? gimme a break with that. Springsteen's song should have at least been in the running. on a side note-- i also really missed showing a brief clip of the nominees-- usually giving just a taste of the performance they have been nominated for. the rather boring 5 panel salutes of being talked down to from the stage by past winners?? OK, the first time was unique--i had NO idea that was going to be the theme. and i think Michael Douglas had about 3 lines to say about Frank Langella?? man o man... jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:53 AM, rixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now--- songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all- time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars Rick You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons
Joe, maybe you have to be an old-timer *AND* a big Broadway fan to have liked it. I thought the opening was a bit tacky, but Jackman is a true star who made it work. And Anne Hathaway was wonderful, and that bit was quite clever. I notice that Jackman and Hathaway had real chemistry, something sorely missing from so many current movies. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Bonelli joebom...@yahoo.comwrote: Sorry, guys!! Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number! On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!! Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as Bacchus) PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV personality hosts! Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all. --- On *Sun, 2/22/09, Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com* wrote: From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
Sean - I liked TDK. I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was certainly a movie I'd watch again. As to Heath Ledger. Great performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young. My 2 cents... Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -Original Message- Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Yes. But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win. Sean Penn is an outstanding actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging and wonderful turn as an heroic figure -- in what I thought was a conventionally structured, by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the standard where-are-they-now text epilogue. His performance was noble and deserving -- but his victory was politically correct and in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to anoint things historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing ovation). But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey Rourke's shattering, full-range performance in The Wrestler. I am not a fan of Mickey Rourke and dislike him intensely. But I could not ignore -- having seen all the performances nominated this year -- what he did in this picture, from start to finish. His character was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what I believe have been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 -- including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs (win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks). I dreaded paying to see The Wrestler -- expecting over-the-top nonsense. But I came away very moved with Rourke, the film's spectacular ending, and the behind-the-scenes exploration of a sub-culture with which many are unfamiliar. Rourke is not part of the Hollywood clique and never had anything sewn up. Penn's win by the gigantic voting block that make up the SAG awards last month -- re-confirmed Rourke's outsider status (Rourke is considered a social and political pariah out here) -- and made Penn the odds-on favorite by many last night. I think the Brits got it right when BAFTA named Rourke Best Actor. BAFTA is not as plagued by the anomalies of Hollywood voting as AMPAS. -kuz. Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:07:55 -0500 From: lobb...@rogers.com Subject: Re: MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Mickey Rourke may have been placed in the midst of a Hollywood hype, but his performance was outstanding nontheless, and deserving of a nomination at the very least. Those who saw the the movie early on, before the hype, knew that they witnessed a great performance. If I'm not mistaken, this is one example where the media jumped on the band wagon after word of mouth, from film-festival-goers, earmarked the movie as worthy. Zeev - Original Message - From: Franc To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst of a Hollywood wet dream. The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty choruses of I'll Be Seeing You. And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to Frost/Nixon or Milk. Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke. Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think happened with Rouke. I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
*I thought this was the best presentation in a very long time. I was torn between Penn and Rourke, but at the end of the day, Penn deserved the Oscar. Reason is, Rourke was pretty much himself, while Penn had to get in to character. Naturally, I could be wrong, but that's how it felt to me watching these two great movies. Best, dario. * On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Robert D. Brooks wrote: I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently... The Academy has some explaining to do for this one... Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Cheers, Bob - Original Message - From: channinglylethomson channinglylethom...@worldnet.att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years. My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read even on a 37 HD flatscreen screen. I thought it moved petty fast, Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place). As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film. Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP -- to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put together film. Channing thomson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
Because arty-farty films don't have the Peoples' Choice Awards!! (Smile) Joe B-- pleased with the Oscars in NOLA --- On Mon, 2/23/09, jboh...@aol.com jboh...@aol.com wrote: From: jboh...@aol.com jboh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:06 AM I think Dark Knight was the best film of 2008...It wasn't nominated because it's a comic book adaption but it was perfect entertainment. Why do we always have to have an arty farty film as best picture? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
I loved Heath Ledger's performance. I thought he deserved the award. Damn I wish he were here rather than him getting the award. He reached into something very difficult to get into the Joker character. It was completely unlike him and he went for it. I liked the film. There are some very memorable moments. The scene of the Joker walking out dressed as a nurse and blowing up the hospital is priceless. Toochis Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
I agree with your comments. I wish Peter Gabriel got to perform his song. toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:31:47 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS? i agree, rick--add to that that 2 of the 3 of the nominated songs were from SLUMDOG. and could the composer/songwriter from SLUMDOG have been any less ungrateful (or at least sounding and appearing so)? gimme a break with that. Springsteen's song should have at least been in the running. on a side note-- i also really missed showing a brief clip of the nominees-- usually giving just a taste of the performance they have been nominated for. the rather boring 5 panel salutes of being talked down to from the stage by past winners?? OK, the first time was unique--i had NO idea that was going to be the theme. and i think Michael Douglas had about 3 lines to say about Frank Langella?? man o man... jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:53 AM, rixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars Rick You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Nina Foch was a beautiful and wonderful actress and I always loved her At 01:46 PM 2/23/2009, Toochis Morin wrote: That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 mailto:stev...@flash.netstev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS?
great songs at the Oscars went out the window when 3-6 Mafia won the award for it's a hard life for a pimp At 01:47 PM 2/23/2009, Toochis Morin wrote: I agree with your comments. I wish Peter Gabriel got to perform his song. toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:31:47 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS---WHATEVER HAPPENED TO GREAT SONGS? i agree, rick--add to that that 2 of the 3 of the nominated songs were from SLUMDOG. and could the composer/songwriter from SLUMDOG have been any less ungrateful (or at least sounding and appearing so)? gimme a break with that. Springsteen's song should have at least been in the running. on a side note-- i also really missed showing a brief clip of the nominees-- usually giving just a taste of the performance they have been nominated for. the rather boring 5 panel salutes of being talked down to from the stage by past winners?? OK, the first time was unique--i had NO idea that was going to be the theme. and i think Michael Douglas had about 3 lines to say about Frank Langella?? man o man... jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:53 AM, mailto:rixpost...@aol.comrixpost...@aol.com wrote: Over the past few years, I've noticed that the level of songwriting in the Best Song Academy Award category has diminished to the point of pure mediocrity. Not only are only THREE songs nominated (didn't it always used to be 5?), but the songs that ARE nominated won't be remembered 3 or 4 years from now---songs like As Time Goes By will never be forgotten. Hey, I'm not a big fan of Moon River, but it seems like Mozart next to the inferior songs that are nominated these days. When It's Hard To Be A Pimp won a couple of years ago, I thought we'd nit an all-time low (maybe we had, come to think about it...) Why wasn't Bruce Springsteen's closing song from The Wrestler nominated? When I saw that film, the whole audience stayed in their seats to listen to that song, which captured the essence of the movie perfectly. Isn't that what Best Song Of The Year should do? It was BY FAR the best song of the year. Whether you're a fan of Springsteen or not, I think you'll agree with me if you watch The Wrestler and listen to it over the closing credits. It seems like the art of writing a great, enduring song is a thing of the past when it comes to The Oscars Rick -- You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.comwww.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
i agree glenn.. why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period. it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior to the awards, like peter finch did. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote: Sean - I liked TDK. I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was certainly a movie I'd watch again. As to Heath Ledger. Great performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young. My 2 cents... Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -Original Message- Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Yes. But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis -- From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
i think you are right, dave--i dont recall him in the montage either. unless. he was missed when the TD was calling the switch between camera A and camera B and deciding if it should then cut to the camera on the crane, swooping in, or one of the handhelds, trying to zoom in on those lousy flatscreens. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote: Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Nina Foch delivered the single funniest line I ever heard. It was from a sit-com pilot that aired only once. It starred Madeline Kahn as an investigative reporter for TV. The two of them were sitting in a restuarant and Kahn was giving Foch some unwanted child to parent news... I can't recall the exact set-up line just now but the comeback was, Does anyone have a chicken bone I can lodge directly in my throat? I'm not ashamed to say I've used it myself when the situation called for it. Always gets a laugh. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis -- From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I'm not surprised at all. In Hollywood circles, it would have been considered so NOT cool -- to applaud Charlton Heston -- no matter how iconic his roles. His status as a social and political pariah out here (as in the aforementioned Mickey Rourke losing to Sean Penn) -- made him unacceptable. If he'd been alive today to receive a lifetime achievement award for film -- he would've received a reception similar to what Elia Kazan got several years ago: muted applause with many people refusing to budge from their seats. With the Academy, having the wrong politics or other errant off-screen hobbies -- trumps performance in film. Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:37:29 -0800 From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: Oscars what I didnt like To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author
Re: [MOPO] Oscars -- left out again
Another promising young talent who wasted his potential and his life in tragic
involvement with drugs and misjudgement also died right before last year's
Oscars. He was not mentioned in last year's montage.
And he was not mentioned in this year's montage either.
His name was Brad Renfro.
Too bad Sir Ian McKellan wasn't at last night's Oscars to comment-- as he has
in the past.
Joe B in NOLA
PS- I agree with all of you in regards the mishandling of this segment of the
show.
Joe
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From: Dave Rosen hah...@sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:30 PM
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Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end:
http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301
Dave
www.posteropolis.com
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From: Dave Smith
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the
audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in
'08 so he should have been included?
Dave Smith
Reel Deals
- Original Message -
From: Toochis Morin
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being
honored.
Frustrating!
Toochis
From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder.
Bruce
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote:
All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment
where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much
time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that
there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they
should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen
and leave it alone.
Steve
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I also thought this was just terrible...what an idea.I could not read many of the names eitherjust horribleI also did not like the song...and a singerPhilipp -Original Message- From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:37 am Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. ? Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. ?They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. ?That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. ?Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve ? ? ? ?Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ?___ ? ? ? ? ? ? How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu ? ? ? ? ? In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars -- left out again
i agree with you, too, joe. brad renfro was a very good actor, especially being SO much younger when he began his career. also troubled and got himself in trouble, too. the academy's selective memory is more than a little troubling. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Bonelli wrote: Another promising young talent who wasted his potential and his life in tragic involvement with drugs and misjudgement also died right before last year's Oscars. He was not mentioned in last year's montage. And he was not mentioned in this year's montage either. His name was Brad Renfro. Too bad Sir Ian McKellan wasn't at last night's Oscars to comment-- as he has in the past. Joe B in NOLA PS- I agree with all of you in regards the mishandling of this segment of the show. Joe --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Dave Rosen hah...@sympatico.ca wrote: From: Dave Rosen hah...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:30 PM Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/ 3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I heard some claps for Charlton Heston. I know he had fans in the business. Not huge but most of the older actors didn't get huge applause. Toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Probably because many of the young actors and their seat-filling partners don't know who they were. Hollywood history isn't what it used to be to the industry these days. Sadly, the Oscars have become just another award event in an entertainment business that has an award event of some kind almost every week of the year. Phil - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I heard some claps for Charlton Heston. I know he had fans in the business. Not huge but most of the older actors didn't get huge applause. Toochis -- From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
Maybe there were a few claps, toochis; i should say that i didnt hear many.. but that's also the other thing... so many of these younger, new hollywood stars--and i used that term with tongue planted firmly in cheek-- do not even know who the great actors were before them who made hollywood truly sparkle. most of these flashes in the pan wont be remembered down the road; i guess some will be, though, thanks to the dusty DVD's that will be on store shelves or digital clips available for download. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Toochis Morin wrote: I heard some claps for Charlton Heston. I know he had fans in the business. Not huge but most of the older actors didn't get huge applause. Toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/ 3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
toochis, as far as the older generation instructing the younger there is hardly a more visual and aural business/profession than film. one simply has to listen and watch a dvd... little reading can be involved, as well. so really, there is no excuse. and i would hardly call the lot from HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL stars. that is insulting to those that are and were. jeff - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I agree Jeff. But I do think that it is also up to the older generation to educate the younger one. I can't tell you how many people older than me who don't even know who William Powell or Peter Lorre was. It's ridiculous. You saw that the stars of High School Musical were excited to get a glimpse of Meryl Streep. That made me hopeful. Toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Maybe there were a few claps, toochis; i should say that i didnt hear many.. but that's also the other thing... so many of these younger, new hollywood stars--and i used that term with tongue planted firmly in cheek-- do not even know who the great actors were before them who made hollywood truly sparkle. most of these flashes in the pan wont be remembered down the road; i guess some will be, though, thanks to the dusty DVD's that will be on store shelves or digital clips available for download. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Toochis Morin wrote: I heard some claps for Charlton Heston. I know he had fans in the business. Not huge but most of the older actors didn't get huge applause. Toochis From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/ 3619081301 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and Charles Boyer. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:21 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Jeff - My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Jeff mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com Potokar To: Glenn Taranto mailto:exit...@gte.net Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars i agree glenn.. why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period. it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior to the awards, like peter finch did. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote: Sean - I liked TDK. I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was certainly a movie I'd watch again. As to Heath Ledger. Great performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young. My 2 cents... Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback mailto:slinkenb...@bellsouth.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -Original Message- Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Yes. But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
franc, your guess would be wrong, as i don't recall any of those 3 winning an oscar for a performance, after they had passed away. THAT was the point and jist of the posts, not as to who had drug problems and succumbed to them. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Franc wrote: I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and Charles Boyer. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:21 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Jeff - My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Jeff Potokar To: Glenn Taranto Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars i agree glenn.. why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period. it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior to the awards, like peter finch did. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote: Sean - I liked TDK. I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was certainly a movie I'd watch again. As to Heath Ledger. Great performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young. My 2 cents... Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -Original Message- Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Yes. But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
I figure that evens out since I don't know who half of these young, new stars are with the dreadful looking dresses. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Potokar Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:22 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Maybe there were a few claps, toochis; i should say that i didnt hear many.. but that's also the other thing... so many of these younger, new hollywood stars--and i used that term with tongue planted firmly in cheek-- do not even know who the great actors were before them who made hollywood truly sparkle. most of these flashes in the pan wont be remembered down the road; i guess some will be, though, thanks to the dusty DVD's that will be on store shelves or digital clips available for download. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Toochis Morin wrote: I heard some claps for Charlton Heston. I know he had fans in the business. Not huge but most of the older actors didn't get huge applause. Toochis _ From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like that's right...he was memorialized last year technically, incorrect but i guess the academy wanted to remind everyone while his passing was still fresh... a year later, it would have not have received the same audience response that it did at last year's oscars- the other thing i noticed... not ONE clap could be heard when they showed charlton heston. i was a bit surprised at that, needless to say. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave Rosen wrote: Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end: http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/36190813 01 Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Dave Smith mailto:d...@reeldeals.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included? Dave Smith Reel Deals - Original Message - From: Toochis Morin mailto:fly...@pacbell.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being honored. Frustrating! Toochis _ From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder. Bruce On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84 stev...@flash.net wrote: All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment where they honored the people who died in the last year. They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that you could not read. That is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy. Just focus on the screen and leave it alone. Steve Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
And the point of my post was that just because Heath had a stash of drugs in his apartment and apparently did himself in, it doesn't diminish his talent. Just as it didn't diminish the talents of Garland, Monroe or Boyer. You post was way too unforgiving, even if I agree with you that he didn't deserve the Oscar for that last role. Many Oscars have been given for past performances that were slighted. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Potokar Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:32 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars franc, your guess would be wrong, as i don't recall any of those 3 winning an oscar for a performance, after they had passed away. THAT was the point and jist of the posts, not as to who had drug problems and succumbed to them. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Franc wrote: I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and Charles Boyer. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:21 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Jeff - My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Jeff Potokar mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: Glenn Taranto mailto:exit...@gte.net Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars i agree glenn.. why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period. it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior to the awards, like peter finch did. jeff On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote: Sean - I liked TDK. I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was certainly a movie I'd watch again. As to Heath Ledger. Great performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young. My 2 cents... Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback mailto:slinkenb...@bellsouth.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -Original Message- Here's a simple test... When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice??? Yes. But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark Knight. Apparently no one else in MoPo land did. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send
[MOPO] Oscars
If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars
who the hell is Huge Jackman?...I'm going to bed -Original Message- From: MoPo List on behalf of Jeff Potokar Sent: Sun 2/22/2009 8:51 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars i agree doug... that was PATHETIC. jeff On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote: If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 hours of our lives. My gawd. DBT Profile Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Goldie's face looked like a bad balloon animal. Douglas B. Taylor http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of flixs...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:49 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] OSCARS STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM! After hearing the interminable intros of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate, Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN my guess its because of the calla lilies. FREEMAN _ Need a job? Find http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusye lp0003 an employment agency near you. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
He's talented and a great sport. Toochis From: David Lieberman dli...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:45:57 PM Subject: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS Hugh Jackman is actually a client of ours. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com| 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters|602 309 0500| Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
Thats Funny Hugh is also a client of mine. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
Well said, Joe! Shelly Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:39:27 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings DudTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Who cares if the Hoi Polloi had another piece of Idol junk to watch!!! The Oscars are an INTERNATIONAL EVENT! Screw the silly US E-machine. tabloid press.-- Including the AP. Joe B in NOLA Movielegends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever.Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture.The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers.Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record.The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
Why should anyone be surprised? For a long time, the Academy and for that matter the industry were dominated by voters who loved the movies that the audience loved, and the stars or at least their employers were careful about their reputations. Nowadays, a huge portion of potential Oscar viewers know that a) many if not most of the movies that are embraced and rewarded, in particular the ones most likely to receive the highest honors, will be offensive to them, b) much of what's said will be offensive to them, and c) the people honored will tend to be people who've said and done things, both in the movies themselves and in their extracurricular activities, that they find offensive. You can't spend year after year stomping on the faces of a huge portion of the population, then expect the same people to join in your self-celebration. CK MacLeod Collectibles at ckmac.com http://ckmac.com/ Kymar's on eBay http://stores.ebay.com/Kymars-Stuff -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ari Richards Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 03:45 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud I admit, I didn't watch it this year. Watched a movie instead. Rebecca. And had a nice evening. Ari PS- I have a blended scotch, sorry, but it does the job. - Original Message From: Dave Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 27 February, 2008 10:34:46 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud Interesting and not surprising but, to put it in perspective, even if just 30 million people watched it in the US, about 900 million watched it everywhere else, which is still a helluvan audience. (Not that I thought it was a great show, but still.) That said, watch for network execs to continue the process of dumbing down and over-hyping the Oscars. They don't seem to have learned the lesson that the more you hype something, the higher the expectations, the bigger the disappointment, the less likely people will come back for more. But, what am I saying? We live in the Age of Hype, where hype is everything and content near-nothing. What matters is not the inherent value of things but the bottom line of the current financial quarter. The punks had it right: There really is No Future. Now where's that single malt?... Dave www.posteropolis.com http://www.posteropolis.com/ - Original Message - From: Movielegends mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address http://au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/au/y7mail/default/*http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail/?p1=nip2=generalp3=taglinep4=other . Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing
Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE
Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE BLOOD are in line with my own. Fantastic score from him. Of course, there WAS some Brahms in there. However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a magnificent movie, the best of PT Anderson's films. As far as Best Actress I would have chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie Christie. LA VIE EN ROSE, for me, was jumbled, although her performance was the best thing about it. The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best Supporting Actor. He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his role was actually a supporting role, which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not. I don't know what the rules are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen this before. That role was too central to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting. This says nothing about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great. Kirby On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote: I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most inept star-is-born films I’d ever seen. Here’s an example of how inept that is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she opens her mouth to sing and the director actually cuts away from the vocal track and provides an orchestra-only track with a montage. You don’t have the pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b) being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks at the end of the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the film and have no reference. You just never understand from this film why this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular, especially given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike. There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never felt there was any motivation for DDL’s character. His performance left me with the impression that he was over-acting so badly because frankly the character didn’t exist anywhere in the script and he was trying to fill in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to the film and of course that was totally overlooked by the Oscars. In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was beautifully written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple point of views were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film did not fair particularly well last night either. Franc -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:19 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE Franc Martarella wrote, I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I had seen all year in two very badly written films But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those movies? Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE
I too am on the side supporting There Will Be Blood. The top 4 films for me this year, in this order were: There Will Be Blood Michael Clayton No Country For Old Men Before the Devil Knows Your Dead I think Before the Devil was better than both Atonement and Juno, although it was damn hard to watch because every character was so easy to dislike. DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirby McDaniel Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:08 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE BLOOD are in line with my own. Fantastic score from him. Of course, there WAS some Brahms in there. However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a magnificent movie, the best of PT Anderson's films. As far as Best Actress I would have chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie Christie. LA VIE EN ROSE, for me, was jumbled, although her performance was the best thing about it. The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best Supporting Actor. He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his role was actually a supporting role, which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not. I don't know what the rules are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen this before. That role was too central to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting. This says nothing about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great. Kirby On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote: I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most inept star-is-born films I'd ever seen. Here's an example of how inept that is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she opens her mouth to sing and the director actually cuts away from the vocal track and provides an orchestra-only track with a montage. You don't have the pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b) being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks at the end of the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the film and have no reference. You just never understand from this film why this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular, especially given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike. There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never felt there was any motivation for DDL's character. His performance left me with the impression that he was over-acting so badly because frankly the character didn't exist anywhere in the script and he was trying to fill in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to the film and of course that was totally overlooked by the Oscars. In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was beautifully written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple point of views were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film did not fair particularly well last night either. Franc -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:19 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE Franc Martarella wrote, I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I had seen all year in two very badly written films But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those movies? Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] OSCARS 80TH
I thought the show was pretty good considering the problems that surrounded its production. Political jokes have been around the Oscars for years, so that's nothing new. Jon Stewart smirky little presence is perfect for the Oscars in this era. This years films were so serious and so good, overall, in my humble opinion, that it was hard to poke fun at the films themselves, which is often a part of the levity of the show. I don't pay too much attention to the clothes, but I went to a great Oscar party with great food and good folk, and some of them do pay attention to this -- and they said the clothes were not so great. Cameron Diaz looked like she just got out of bed and Nicole Kidman needed to straighten those diamonds. The awards themselves I did not have too much of a quarrel with. I would have liked Hal Holbrook to have won, but what do I know? And I think if I had to vote I would have had a hard time choosing between JUNO and NO COUNTRY for Best Picture. There were a lot of difficult choices for academy members because in general the competition was stiff. Overlooked unfortunately: 3:10 TO YUMA And THE BOURNE IDENTITY walked away with three Oscars. You could not pay me to sit through that again. Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE
It is a shame that Greenwood's score was denied a nomination on a technicality that some of his music (not the Brahms or any other previously recorded music by other artists) had been released on other projects. His score certainly played a huge part in the vibe of the film and there wasn't another score out there, in my mind, that was more memorable or key to the film's ability to work. I think the Coens certainly earned their oscar. It's a shame that TWBB didn't show up at previous oscars since there have been so many bad years (in the way of nominees). The fact that TWBB and NCFOM arrived in the same year and were both nominated is some kind of miracle. PTA and the Coens have plenty of films left in them. The academy awards should lay off the clip shows if only to avoid reminding the viewers at home how far Hollywood has fallen from the level of class it once had and that no matter how bad the stars were behind the scenes they could carry themselves in a way that was abmirable in public. In the same vein I agree that John Stewert, while a funny guy in his own right, is not the right choice for the Oscars. But who are we kidding? The show as a whole is a disaster because people don't really hold actors or hollywood in the same esteem it once did. There is a cynical viewpoint these days and the magic and allure of Hollywood is, in my opinion, gone and it is the 800 lbs gorilla lingering in the room casting a huge shadow over their vain attempt to pretend that the world is still mesmorized by their dog pony-self-love-athon. How many times did we have to hear actors and directors talk about how wonderful Hollywood is? Even tired old Jack Nickolson tried to sell us on this! idea and it just sounds so creaky. There is only a thin thread of integrity left in the oscars. Still lovin the movies (the few good ones anyway).. Aaron Kirby McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE BLOOD are in line with my own. Fantastic score from him. Of course, there WAS some Brahms in there. However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a magnificent movie, the best of PT Anderson's films. As far as Best Actress I would have chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie Christie. LA VIE EN ROSE, for me, was jumbled, although her performance was the best thing about it. The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best Supporting Actor. He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his role was actually a supporting role, which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not. I don't know what the rules are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen this before. That role was too central to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting. This says nothing about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great. Kirby On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote: I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most inept star-is-born films I’d ever seen. Here’s an example of how inept that is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she opens her mouth to sing and the director actually cuts away from the vocal track and provides an orchestra-only track with a montage. You don’t have the pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b) being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks at the end of the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the film and have no reference. You just never understand from this film why this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular, especially given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike. There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never felt there was any motivation for DDL’s character. His performance left me with the impression that he was over-acting so badly because frankly the character didn’t exist anywhere in the script and he was trying to fill in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to the film and of course that was totally overlooked by the Oscars. In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was beautifully written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple point of views were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film did not fair particularly well last night either. Franc -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:19 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE Franc Martarella wrote, I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I had seen all year in two very badly written films But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those movies? Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
see what happens when I forget to watch The Oscars®... last time i forgot was Like.. what 2003? Movielegends wrote: It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
Who cares if the Hoi Polloi had another piece of Idol junk to watch!!! The Oscars are an INTERNATIONAL EVENT! Screw the silly US E-machine. tabloid press.-- Including the AP. Joe B in NOLA Movielegends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing ListSend a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-LThe author of this message is solely responsible for its content. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
Interesting and not surprising but, to put it in perspective, even if just 30 million people watched it in the US, about 900 million watched it everywhere else, which is still a helluvan audience. (Not that I thought it was a great show, but still.) That said, watch for network execs to continue the process of dumbing down and over-hyping the Oscars. They don't seem to have learned the lesson that the more you hype something, the higher the expectations, the bigger the disappointment, the less likely people will come back for more. But, what am I saying? We live in the Age of Hype, where hype is everything and content near-nothing. What matters is not the inherent value of things but the bottom line of the current financial quarter. The punks had it right: There really is No Future. Now where's that single malt?... Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Movielegends To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
I admit, I didn't watch it this year. Watched a movie instead. Rebecca. And had a nice evening. Ari PS- I have a blended scotch, sorry, but it does the job. - Original Message From: Dave Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 27 February, 2008 10:34:46 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud Interesting and not surprising but, to put it in perspective, even if just 30 million people watched it in the US, about 900 million watched it everywhere else, which is still a helluvan audience. (Not that I thought it was a great show, but still.) That said, watch for network execs to continue the process of dumbing down and over-hyping the Oscars. They don't seem to have learned the lesson that the more you hype something, the higher the expectations, the bigger the disappointment, the less likely people will come back for more. But, what am I saying? We live in the Age of Hype, where hype is everything and content near-nothing. What matters is not the inherent value of things but the bottom line of the current financial quarter. The punks had it right: There really is No Future. Now where's that single malt?... Dave www.posteropolis.com - Original Message - From: Movielegends To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud It's Official: Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud By Associated Press 8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008 NEW YORK The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the least-watched ceremony ever. Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last year, when The Departed was named best picture. The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million viewers. Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed to avoid an ignominious record. The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
