Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Hi Bonita, Debbie and others, I have a different perspective on what you describe below. I'm curious as to what others think about this. I have an expectation in my class that during independent reading time the children may read with one other person but no more. I tell my kids that the reason for this is so they get time to read. If there are more than two children on a book then some will dominate while others will not get the time reading that they need so they can read that challenging book that they have in their desk. If the book being read is not a big book then there's the question of whether or not everyone can see the pages. Of course, this can be fixed if there are multiple copies of a book, which isn't always the case. The only way you get better at reading is by reading. Having said that, I too have noticed that kids do want to get together in larger groups to share the books they're reading. This is different and I will be making more time for this for those kids that want to do this. But this is really about sharing and not about reading. The purpose is social, I think. Even though kids choose to get in groups to do round robin reading I'm not sure I would let this go on indefinitely or encourage it. I think we have to be careful that in our haste to validate choice we are not sacrificing learning. I'm thinking out loud here and I know I've probably left out something that would help clarify what I'm saying so that people don't jump all over my back but I'll leave it at this for now. I also find this insteresting about the boy groups choosing to read aloud. At first I was going to say it's about the social nature of reading but I think it has more to do with boys and their need to talk and move around rather than sitting still. I have two daughters and one son. My son will be 3 at the end of October. He is very different from my girls. He purposely takes things apart, destroys really, and moves around ALL the time. When I read to him he has little tolerance for books that take a long time to get to where they're going. My daughters were not like that. When they were little (they're now 19 and 15) they didn't rip things up at will or take things apart or challenge us. You could actually walk with them down a grocery aisle without too many disruptions. Now that I have a son I am paying closer attention to the boys in my class and some of the differences I notice. Although I knew these in my head before I wasn't feeling them in my heart. I am not about accentuating the differences so that they become stereotypical but I am about being aware that there are differences and that we need to study them so that we can know how best to help our students learn. One of my students (grade 1) earlier this year said to me, Señora Waingort, you only have girl books in this class about fairies and stuff like that. When are you going to get some boy books? That made me stop and take notice. I hadn't though about it too much before but now I started seeing what he was saying everywhere. BTW, I read or heard somewhere that there are just as many differences among boys (maybe more) than there are between boys and girls in terms of reading, behaviors, etc. Elisa Waingort Calgary, Canada PS I have heard other teachers talk about the boys in their class not wanting to read. To be honest, that was never my problem. Finding good non fiction books for our classroom library was my challenge. I loved it! Debbie Goodis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we really put this in perspective when we consider the alternative. What teacher is going to discourage the child from reading out loud in or to a group of peers. We wouldn't do that, right? So, this tells me to let it happen. It's such and incredible moment of interaction and community. Debbie Yes. That is what I decided when it kept happening in my room when they had choice. I think they liked being on the same page together reading aloud because they liked to gasp, laugh, and groan together. I did have to set some ground rules down on the help part because some students would have a tendency to jump in quickly when a student had any trouble with a word. Still, they all continuously chose to read like this. Only a few reading groups went for the silent read around or the select a page to meet up on. Interestingly, when I asked the students about this choice, some said they liked hearing the words together, and some said the read around helped them to stay focused whereas reading alone did not. When they also chose their own groups, boy groups almost every time chose the read around--why do you think that is so? :)Bonita ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Joy, Please don't take this the wrong way but I just had to comment on what you say below. I think that teachers are way too nice. We try so hard not to hurt people's feelings or step on people's toes and then we get barrelled over. I truly believe that is part of what's happening with NCLB, etc in the US. I have discussions about this with my husband all the time. He claims I need to be a bit tougher and not let people walk all over me (parents, administrators, other more willful colleagues, just to name a few). I keep telling him that teachers are different and that we don't respond the same way that people do in his field of work. At the same time I wish I were a little stronger with certain folks who obviously don't seem to have this problem. So, getting back to your issue. There should be no question that she needs to follow what you tell her to do. Getting the classroom assistant to be more up to date as far as certain practices are concerned is always a good idea but to me the bottom line is that she is your assistant and you are ultimately responsible for what happens in your classroom. Know what I mean? Elisa Waingort Calgary, Canada I just don't want to upset her, everyone around here is very sensitive, and in my exuberance I'm sometimes taken the wrong way. This is why I'm asking the question, so I don't snowplow anyone! Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Elisa, Well, I guess what we are talking about is the way we would REDIRECT the students, knowing that they are showing me they have a need to do something social and figure out what other activity could satisfy that need. See, I think of it as the kids are showing me that they need to do this type of activity. If I felt like it was interfering with the real reading they also need, I would just maybe give them a way to do this outside the classroom, maybe through jump rope chants or hand clapping game. I could always use chart paper to introduce the chant and later bring the rhymes outside. Debbie Thanks for the food for thought. Waingort Jimenez, Elisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bonita, Debbie and others, I have a different perspective on what you describe below. I'm curious as to what others think about this. - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
I think the suggestions about training will help. One of our staff development days is going to be about reading strategies, so maybe that will help. I don't think she knows anything different, and doesn't understand the full implications. I don't think she is being insubordinate at all, just not up to speed on best practices. I just don't want to upset her, everyone around here is very sensitive, and in my exuberance I'm sometimes taken the wrong way. This is why I'm asking the question, so I don't snowplow anyone! Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Debbie Goodis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we really put this in perspective when we consider the alternative. What teacher is going to discourage the child from reading out loud in or to a group of peers. We wouldn't do that, right? So, this tells me to let it happen. It's such and incredible moment of interaction and community. Debbie Yes. That is what I decided when it kept happening in my room when they had choice. I think they liked being on the same page together reading aloud because they liked to gasp, laugh, and groan together. I did have to set some ground rules down on the help part because some students would have a tendency to jump in quickly when a student had any trouble with a word. Still, they all continuously chose to read like this. Only a few reading groups went for the silent read around or the select a page to meet up on. Interestingly, when I asked the students about this choice, some said they liked hearing the words together, and some said the read around helped them to stay focused whereas reading alone did not. When they also chose their own groups, boy groups almost every time chose the read around--why do you think that is so? :)Bonita ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
She works for you, after all, yes? Do you leave explicit instructions that she doesn't follow, or do you leave her general instructions that leave her room to do what she wants to do? ** This is my question as well. None of my TA's (good, bad or goofy) have been allowed to make this type of instructional decision. The last one who undermined my lesson plans in such a way...well, she's not working in my room any more. (for other reasons as well) Maybe your TA needs to learn some authentic ways to get kids to read aloud during guided reading. Things like Find a place you made a connection. Get ready to read that part aloud for us. Also, I sometimes move from kid to kid at the reading table and ask them to whisper read some of what they are reading to me if I want a quick oral fluency check. Round robin reading is not very effective, and really I would be surprised if it ever has been. Why is she so passionate about round robin reading? Have you asked her? Lisa 2/3 IL Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading/Janelle
Thanks for the suggestion. You're right, it might be that she doesn't know any other way. Maybe this, plus the other suggestions about modeling other techniques will help. It may also help for her to be in my class at the beginning of the year. She joined my team last May, right before the end of school, so she missed alot of the build up. Janelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried simply asking her why she does round robin reading? Sometimes people, at least I think, do things because that is what they've seen others do, not because they have a good reason. This may open up a line of communication for you to enter a conversation with her. Good luck! janelle - Original Message - From: Joy To: Mosaic Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Question for the passionate round robin folks. What about when students are in literacy groups and they CHOOSE to read together round-robin style? Thoughts on this? :)Bonita ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
I just think it is a variation on buddy reading and that it is a very different matter when it is child initiated. :Lori On 7/22/07 6:48 PM, Patricia Kimathi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about this. I have 2nd graders, they didn't learn it from the first grade teacher, she is next door. where do they get it from? Pat K to be nobody but yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you like everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight, and never stop fighting. e.e. cummings On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:04 PM, ljackson wrote: What about when students are in literacy groups and they CHOOSE to read together round-robin style? Thoughts on this? ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. -- Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 57555 http:www.tcsdk12.org ph. 605.856.2211 Literacies for All Summer Institute July 17-20. 2008 Tucson, Arizona ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Patricia Kimathi wrote: I wonder about this. I have 2nd graders, they didn't learn it from the first grade teacher, she is next door. where do they get it from? Pat K On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:04 PM, ljackson wrote: What about when students are in literacy groups and they CHOOSE to read together round-robin style? Thoughts on this? I think they are just finding a way to share time. Renee What was once educationally significant, but difficult to measure, has been replaced by what is insignificant and easy to measure. So now we test how well we have taught what we do not value. — Art Costa, emeritus professor, California State University ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
I think I agree, and one of the reasons is that sometimes when adult groups get together, they choose to do the very same thing. Sometimes it's part where the language is lifting, sometimes it's to clarify, sometimes it's to review for the group with some punch, sometimes they just like to hear each other's voices. And they don't do it all the time. And they resent it if someone else makes them do it. But sometimes it's just fine. . . . I just think it is a variation on buddy reading and that it is a very different matter when it is child initiated. :Lori _ http://newlivehotmail.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Joy, I am sure you have considered this, but how about setting up a schedule for partner reading. That way, when your TA is filling in, the kids will already be assigned a partner and will know what is expected of them during their reading time. The TA will be able to observe, assist, and monitor the class, as well as see how well the kids do in this environment...everyone will be on task! Jean/NJ ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Joy What I tell my students and colleagues is this...when you round robin read, many kids don't read all the text or even follow along. They look for what they will be reading and prepare for that. I ask kids to read the whole text silently because they read the whole text, not just the part they will read aloud. The Matthew Effect described in research comes into play. The good readers actually do follow along and read more while the strugglers and those that are very shy read only what their part will be and therefore get less practice. Also, poor readers tend to be interupted...by both us and other students...we mean well and hate to see them struggle so we tend to jump in and help rather than allow the student to learn to solve their own problems. Having said all this, some kids DO comprehend better when reading orally. Beginning and some struggling readers actually need to read aloud...but I simply have them mumble read the whole text before we do our guided reading lessons. Jennifer Maryland In a message dated 7/21/2007 1:48:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
I usually tell my student teachers and colleagues that usually if they were to use Round Robin Reading that if one child is reading most times there are 21 who aren't. It's not an efficient strategy. I remember counting paragraphs until it was my turn and then daydreaming until it was my turn. For some kids who have to read out loud, I have them use whisper phones so they can actually hear themselves. Sue ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Give her some alternatives to round robin and stand your ground. Perhaps give her No More Round Robin Reading. Lori On 7/21/07 11:47 AM, Joy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. -- Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 57555 http:www.tcsdk12.org ph. 605.856.2211 Literacies for All Summer Institute Literate Lives: A Human Right July 12-15, 2007 Louisville, Kentucky http://www.ncte.org/profdev/conv/wlu ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
On 7/21/07 11:47 AM, Joy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? - You're probably not going to change her mind overnight, and the likelihood of convincing her without sharing research is slim. So, how about having the TA work on choral reading/reader's theater if she feels the need for oral reading while you're occupied? -Michelle TG ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Good-bye Round Robin: 25 Effective Oral Reading Strategies by Michael F. Opitz and Timothy Rasinski (Paperback - Nov 3, 1998) Buy new: $15.0053 Used new from $8.40 _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
I have not done round robin reading for about a million years and I can't imagine doing it as a general practice. However, I am going to go off on a different tangent here than everyone else did. My first question is, How often does your TA need to take your place? Once a week? Once a month? If it's once a month or less, what's the big deal? I don't think an occasional bout of round robin reading is going to damage anyone for life. Some kids might like it. Others might consider it a break. :-) Now, if it's more often, like once a week, then I can see the problem and am wondering what kind of directions you leave her with. She works for you, after all, yes? Do you leave explicit instructions that she doesn't follow, or do you leave her general instructions that leave her room to do what she wants to do? If you leave her explicit directions to follow, and she doesn't do so over and over, then I would say first you talk to her, tell her you need her to do what you ask because YOU are the one who needs to take responsibility for the children's learning, and if she then continues to do what she wants, then you go to the principal. You don't even need to be detailed, just My TA is not following my directions when I need to leave the classroom and it's causing confusion for my students. or some such thing. And I like the idea of a workshop... maybe for all the TAs? Renee On Jul 21, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Joy wrote: I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Poor is the pupil who does not surpass his master. ~ Leonardo da Vinci ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading
Have you tried simply asking her why she does round robin reading? Sometimes people, at least I think, do things because that is what they've seen others do, not because they have a good reason. This may open up a line of communication for you to enter a conversation with her. Good luck! janelle - Original Message - From: Joy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: [MOSAIC] Round Robin Reading I don't do round robin reading in my class. Never have. However, my new TA, who is wonderful in every other way, is disturbed by this. She feels so strongly about it that whenever she has had to fill in for me (IEP meetings and the like) she makes a point of doing this with my class. It is important for me to win her over without hitting her with a bunch of research and data, and I don't want to involve the school administration (like I said, she is WONDERFUL the BEST TA I've had yet). What would you suggest I do? Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading
I dislike kidney tables for a different reason: they make the teacher the center of attention. Anyway, when I was teaching in a multiage primary classroom, I had small groups of children read aloud at a round table. They were all reading different books. I walked around the table and listened to each one. Once they got used to this process, it didn't seem to bother them that everyone was reading something different. They just focused on their own reading. It worked very well. Renee On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Liz Hill wrote: I just attended a workshop where the presenter said that you send the children off to a different places in the room to rad aloud, and you circulate to listen to them read. SHe also said that she has children read quietly and the child that she is listening to in a regular voice. Also she recommended not using the kidney table because that reflects the childs voice to the child next to him/her. I plan to try this after the break. It makes sense and my kids already like reading all over the floor in their own special place, so I figure circulating shouldn't be a problem. Oh, she did say the same independent readers, but that she stilll likes listening to them. She said she only takes a minute or two to listen to each child from the group. Hope this helps. Liz - Original Message - From: Carol Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Listserv mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading Hi, all, I'm turning to all you expert first grade teachers. I had primary discussions yesterday with first grade teachers regarding round robin reading. Our state guidelines say, oral reading, but not round robin reading during guided reading. First grade teachers took issue with this, saying they needed to have oral reading to listen for decoding strategies. I know there is a difference between round robin and oral reading. My questions are: 1. Is oral reading necessary for emergent readers during guided reading ALL THE TIME? 2. I emphasized that by the time students are reading for comprehension, silent reading is encouraged. Is there a certain level whereby students should be reading independently rather than orally? 3. How do you balance the need to listen to students for decoding/ fluency with scaffolding silent independent reading? Thanks for aly help ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http:// literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility. It's easy to say, 'It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my problem.' Then there are those, who see the need and respond. I consider those people my heroes. ~ Fred Rogers ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading
I recommend the Heinmann book - Good-bye Round Robin -25 Effective Oral Reading Strategies -by Michael Optiz and Timothy Rasinski. It is short and useful as a reference. I dip into it as a reminder/refresher. - Holly W. -Original Message- Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading
Hi, I think listening to children read is crucial at all elementary levels. If more teachers listened to their children, checked fluency and saw if they were using fix-up skills, then we would have less students who need remediation. I always thought that teachers should be listening to children during guided reading and as they become more proficient, release them to more silent reading. The problem lies there; teachers quit listening! Also, most children enjoy reading out loud in small groups, even intermediate grades. They beg to read, if you have them at the right level and in a supportive environment. You also do not have to read every paragraph out loud. You have them read the paragraph where they found text evidence to something someone questioned and then use it for discussion. Many times this is inferential. They like being like everyone else. So the answer I would give to the first grade is gradually release them, but keep listening, just make it purposeful for you and the reader. Everything in balance! Marsha ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading
I'd like to add that you should also schedule times for an individual reading conference, where you do running records. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I think listening to children read is crucial at all elementary levels. If more teachers listened to their children, checked fluency and saw if they were using fix-up skills, then we would have less students who need remediation. I always thought that teachers should be listening to children during guided reading and as they become more proficient, release them to more silent reading. The problem lies there; teachers quit listening! Also, most children enjoy reading out loud in small groups, even intermediate grades. They beg to read, if you have them at the right level and in a supportive environment. You also do not have to read every paragraph out loud. You have them read the paragraph where they found text evidence to something someone questioned and then use it for discussion. Many times this is inferential. They like being like everyone else. So the answer I would give to the first grade is gradually release them, but keep listening, just make it purposeful for you and the reader. Everything in balance! Marsha ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Joy/NC/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How children learn is as important as what they learn: process and content go hand in hand. http://www.responsiveclassroom.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading
I just attended a workshop where the presenter said that you send the children off to a different places in the room to rad aloud, and you circulate to listen to them read. SHe also said that she has children read quietly and the child that she is listening to in a regular voice. Also she recommended not using the kidney table because that reflects the childs voice to the child next to him/her. I plan to try this after the break. It makes sense and my kids already like reading all over the floor in their own special place, so I figure circulating shouldn't be a problem. Oh, she did say the same independent readers, but that she stilll likes listening to them. She said she only takes a minute or two to listen to each child from the group. Hope this helps. Liz - Original Message - From: Carol Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Listserv mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Round robin reading Hi, all, I'm turning to all you expert first grade teachers. I had primary discussions yesterday with first grade teachers regarding round robin reading. Our state guidelines say, oral reading, but not round robin reading during guided reading. First grade teachers took issue with this, saying they needed to have oral reading to listen for decoding strategies. I know there is a difference between round robin and oral reading. My questions are: 1. Is oral reading necessary for emergent readers during guided reading ALL THE TIME? 2. I emphasized that by the time students are reading for comprehension, silent reading is encouraged. Is there a certain level whereby students should be reading independently rather than orally? 3. How do you balance the need to listen to students for decoding/ fluency with scaffolding silent independent reading? Thanks for aly help ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http:// literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
