Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
David T-G wrote: Do you mean a folder of emails that are non-MIME pgp and you want them to be seen as PGP messages? Well, what about a muttrc hook line or a macro that simply says tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? Great, thanks! I should think more in macros. :-) But while trying out this ferature I saw, that I didn't convince mutt to seek in PGP encrypted mails at all (via T/~b xxx). Neither on the old or new PGP style. Even when viewing the mail. Is this true? How can I find body informations in PGP encrypted mails in a complete mailbox? Ahoi, -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works.
set attribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I've been trying to work out how to put a 'return' at the end of my set attribution string so the result would look like On blah someone wroter this Here is the the quoted msg See what I mean? I've looked at the docs but can't work it out and I've tried \r \rn and \n to no avail. Much thanks - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PBZBHpvrrTa6L5oRAoNDAJ45qG3qStGP/kvKxTtG6feKwgSjxACeOXPl 9Bf3ZQv7HPBqmAiEucKSAP0= =oGqW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: charset=ks_c_5601-1987 - ???
* Magnus Bodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-09 08:57]: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:47:15PM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote: * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-08 19:22]: Mutt decodes messages with the following charset to only a bunch of question marks: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 [...] If you really want to read that email then, you can use w3m or lynx (for html) with hanterm (xterm with Hangul support). [...] Anyway ks_c_5601-1987 is not correct encoding for korean lang, correct one is euc-kr. Message with that header almost 99% is spam. It seems however as KS_C_5601-1987 *is* registered as charset and published as specification. Although it exists charset aliases: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-charsets/2001AprJun/0025.html /magnus for reference: http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jshin/faq/qa9.html http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jshin/faq/hancode.html -- Eunjea [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kldp.org/~eunjea/ GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF 4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF msg22677/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set attribution
Nick Wilson schrieb: I've been trying to work out how to put a 'return' at the end of my set attribution string so the result would look like [...] I've looked at the docs but can't work it out and I've tried \r \rn and \n to no avail. Mmh, \n seems to work here, perhaps the quotes are necessary. set attribution=%n schrieb:\n Alex -- Alexander Wasmuth http://alexander.wasmuth.org/ msg22678/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: set attribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * and then on 09-01-02 11:42 Alexander Wasmuth said Mmh, \n seems to work here, perhaps the quotes are necessary. set attribution=%n schrieb:\n You're right I must have been making some odd typo. Thanks very much. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PB+cHpvrrTa6L5oRAt/PAKCo/MTd4/dOvwD7OEbT1PAbipBJtwCgsu7P mX2cN2y+UqE/V69iCMSrJFk= =fEb3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
On Jan 08, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % 1. use the new check-traditional-pgp command from the index on a message %that has an old-style pgp signature % 2. note that the 's' flag appears to indicate the presence of the signature % 3. view the message, with pgp_verify_sig=no % 4. note that the 's' becomes an 'S', even though no verification has taken %place ... if you'll send a traditional-style message I'll check it out and report. attaching one of Derek's that I still have around... Note that viewing *this* message did not change the 's' to 'S' even though I have verification on and the signature was good because I have not signed my copy of your key. I expect the same behavior with the traditional method, of course. Well, if I try to verify *your* message, it does change to an 'S', even though I haven't signed my copy of your key. (?) ---BeginMessage--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Vincent Lefevre hath spake thusly: The s in the index is sufficient for me if I want to know if a message is signed. Perhaps, but it's not enough to tell you if the message was signed by the person it clamed to be signed by. For people like me, who use GPG a lot when communicating with friends and colleagues, auto-verification is nice. But I'd agree that, for those who don't care about gpg, or only care about a small percentage of e-mail or signatures, it'd be nice to have a way to turn that off. :) - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Oi/BdjdlQoHP510RAjhIAJ0WCOv5VMrSwCAh+l9rEcARVnX0qQCgmYQQ dlWTq7bjQxk+SkkyIcQYzcE= =oyIA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---End Message--- msg22680/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
target line for searching in builtin pager
By default the matched line is just glued at the top. Is there something like a target line for the search function in the builtin pager? (Something like -j for `less'?) -Hanspeter
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Volker -- ...and then Volker Moell said... % % David T-G wrote: % %tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message % % to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? % % Great, thanks! I should think more in macros. :-) No problem :-) % % But while trying out this ferature I saw, that I didn't convince mutt to % seek in PGP encrypted mails at all (via T/~b xxx). Neither on the % old or new PGP style. Even when viewing the mail. Is this true? How can % I find body informations in PGP encrypted mails in a complete mailbox? I don't believe you can; the closest you could come would be a whole encrypted folder or to tag all and decrypt-copy the lot to somewhere else where you do your search and then, of course, thoroughly wipe the temp space you used (which would always be your problem with an encrypted folder via the compressed-folders patch). % % Ahoi, HTH HAND % % -volker % % -- % http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ % % There are two ways to write error-free programs. % Only the third one works. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22682/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
Hi Mutt PGP users,
hello to the Mutt developers,
nobody seems to notice that not only Outlook gets confused by
application/pgp messages -- Pine cannot handle them, too!
That means that with an unpatched Mutt it is impossible to create
PGP signed or encrypted emails for Outlook or Pine users, even if you
set pgp_create_traditional.
So why does Pine fail? As has been noted, application/pgp has not
become a standard MIME type. Anyway, Pine proper has never been
PGP-aware, so all it can do is to show this instead of the mail body:
--8---
[ Part 1, Application/PGP 5KB. ]
[ Cannot display this part. Press V then S to save in a file. ]
--8---
All the ways I know to integrate PGP/GnuPG into Pine make use of the
display filter facility is triggered my matching text that would be
shown on the screen, so the condition part looks like this:
display-filters=_BEGINNING(-BEGIN PGP)
For this to work, however, the MIME type needs to be something
displayable, preferably text/plain.
I think this issue is a strong point in favour of ME's suggestion:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:40:53AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
At this point I have to agree with this sentiment. After six years, we are
really no furthur to the point of OpenPGP/MIME acceptance. I've personally
taken to just using a macro in VIM to invoke gpg messages because I have
to deal with a large number of Outlook users. I endorse changing
pgp_create_traditional such that for text/plain messages it doesn't alter
the content-type.
All PGP users I know either use Pine or Outlook, so as far as I am
concerned, (unpatched) Mutt's PGP support is currently only usable for
the Mutt mailing lists -- no matter how pgp_create_traditional is set.
Time for a change of policy (or religion), right?
Cheers,
Cristian
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Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
Jeremy, et al --
...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
%
% On Jan 08, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
% % 1. use the new check-traditional-pgp command from the index on a message
% %that has an old-style pgp signature
% % 2. note that the 's' flag appears to indicate the presence of the signature
% % 3. view the message, with pgp_verify_sig=no
% % 4. note that the 's' becomes an 'S', even though no verification has taken
% %place
%
% ... if you'll send a traditional-style message I'll check it out and
% report.
%
% attaching one of Derek's that I still have around...
*snort* Lazy! Now I have to go to all of the work of detaching it
somewhere... Sheesh ;-)
Results:
- When I just hit return to view the message without any prep, I of
course see the signature in the body. Also as expected, when I hit
esc-P the index view changes to add an 's'.
- When I read the message (with $p_v_s=yes) gpg runs and verifies the
signature and I get the standard gpg output at the top of the body.
- When I go back to the index I still have 's'.
- Exiting and starting again, this time manually setting $p_v_s=no, is
not only, admittedly, faster to open the message but I do indeed get
an 'S' -- even in my little $pager_index_lines window the veritable
instant I view the message. The only gpg stuff I get, meanwhile,
are the BEGIN and END lines.
- Just for fun, bailing and then going through the steps above without
the restart in the middle yields the same results ('' to 's' to 'S'),
and (just as when I tried it before bailing out of session #2 above)
even setting $p_v_s=yes again does not change the 'S' back to 's'.
I trust that this provides you sufficient detail...
%
% Note that viewing *this* message did not change the 's' to 'S' even
% though I have verification on and the signature was good because I have
% not signed my copy of your key. I expect the same behavior with the
% traditional method, of course.
%
% Well, if I try to verify *your* message, it does change to an 'S', even
% though I haven't signed my copy of your key. (?)
How very interesting. OK, I conclude that I have no idea what s/S
signifies!
:-D
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(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * and then on 09-01-02 13:03 Cristian said All PGP users I know either use Pine or Outlook, so as far as I am concerned, (unpatched) Mutt's PGP support is currently only usable for the Mutt mailing lists -- no matter how pgp_create_traditional is set. Time for a change of policy (or religion), right? That would certainly seem about right. I think it's a sad state of affairs that needs remedying pronto. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PDLIHpvrrTa6L5oRAgJFAKCHtlnWi5xZB3hH7LGIxHMWXEnsOACfWF8S Kjxs7TVVBHk8Kp6uyQAcX+E= =oC/T -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:56:53PM +0100, Cristian wrote: I think this issue is a strong point in favour of ME's suggestion: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:40:53AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote: At this point I have to agree with this sentiment. After six years, we are really no furthur to the point of OpenPGP/MIME acceptance. I've personally taken to just using a macro in VIM to invoke gpg messages because I have to deal with a large number of Outlook users. I endorse changing pgp_create_traditional such that for text/plain messages it doesn't alter the content-type. All PGP users I know either use Pine or Outlook, so as far as I am concerned, (unpatched) Mutt's PGP support is currently only usable for the Mutt mailing lists -- no matter how pgp_create_traditional is set. Time for a change of policy (or religion), right? I really hope this happens. The application/pgp MIME type is ok but it's ahead of it's time. I too use a macro in Vim to handle GPG. It would be great if Mutt itself would use text/plain. - -- John Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! http://www.jpunix.com PGP/GPG key 164BDBAE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PD6Q7YSEAxZL264RAvxrAKD1TX83ayKe+0ADISzBlWYqTqmqTACeMbHG XXQ/GrI53nFlz7YAssDifj8= =q4pG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:27:20AM -0500, Ken Wahl wrote: A gentleman in news:comp.mail.mutt posted these Vim bindings a couple of days ago which allow you to (d)encrypt, clearsign, or both directly in Vim. Thereby keeping the text/plain mime-type. Might this be a temporary workaround, at least for those using Vim? It's been a long time since anyone has called me a gentleman. :) -- John Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! http://www.jpunix.com PGP/GPG key 164BDBAE
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 14:03 * John Perry said I really hope this happens. The application/pgp MIME type is ok but it's ahead of it's time. I too use a macro in Vim to handle GPG. It would be great if Mutt itself would use text/plain. The patch works just fine though. Or am I missing something here? - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PEA+HpvrrTa6L5oRArO5AJ9QrbwhEgLe8t1b7TCj8xZ9sqsySACgisTs a9jkBV2DdvLaprawAFnORCo= =v6aO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
Hi,
of course it is possible to create traditional PGP messages in a
decent editor. I just successfully tried to use the Mailcrypt package
for Emacs when editing a message for Mutt in post.el mode.
There's just one caveat: I had to set noedit_headers to avoid signing
the headers as well. I originally installed Mailcrypt for use with
GNUS -- there might be a way to configure it to ignore the header
lines as they show up when using post.el with edit_headers=yes.
That said, signing can be done my typing:
M-x mailcrypt-sign
When editing is finished, Mutt still believes that the message is
unsigned cleartext, and you should leave it at that.
Messages signed like this can be verified by Pine users who have
configured some way PGP support -- I testet it with pgp4pine.
This solution is unsatisfactory for a Mutt user, of course.
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:27:20AM -0500, Ken Wahl wrote:
A gentleman in news:comp.mail.mutt posted these Vim bindings a couple of
days ago which allow you to (d)encrypt, clearsign, or both directly in Vim.
Thereby keeping the text/plain mime-type. Might this be a temporary
workaround, at least for those using Vim?
To sum up, there are currently two approaches to creating widely
compatible PGP messages: applying the ``PGP Outlook compatibility
patch'' (a misnomer!) or invoking PGP outside of Mutt (using an
editor or a Mutt pipe macro).
I suggest renaming the patch to ``PGP compatibility patch'', and I
agree with Will Yardley and Michael Elkins who voted for integrating
it with the next full Mutt release.
Someone please tell the developers.
Cheers,
Cristian
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Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:06:06PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: * On 09-01-02 at 14:03 * John Perry said I really hope this happens. The application/pgp MIME type is ok but it's ahead of it's time. I too use a macro in Vim to handle GPG. It would be great if Mutt itself would use text/plain. The patch works just fine though. Or am I missing something here? Did I miss a patch for this? Guess I was reading my mail too fast. Can someone point me to it? -- John Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! http://www.jpunix.com PGP/GPG key 164BDBAE
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 15:05 * John Perry said Did I miss a patch for this? Guess I was reading my mail too fast. Can someone point me to it? Hi I hope were talking about the same thing, I'm very new to mutt. I mean the pgp_outlook_compat patch (something like that anyway) that you can pick up at http://mutt.justpickone.org - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PE7DHpvrrTa6L5oRAshXAJ4tyJXjcMq71+cEc5rMfRGiZCC/XQCffOZJ /uhrB3OkxPXg6FGrXm+GEWQ= =DP8e -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?
Thank you, Charles, Roman and Mark. I've tried procmail and maildrop to go with getmail but all failed. I believe they should be able to work someday when I have enough hard work on them. :) Report: 1. procmail returns (-1) while I have the following in .getmail/getmailrc: postmaster = |/usr/bin/procmail -Y -t (My .procmailrc works for postfix, set in main.cf with |/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN -t.) 2. maildrop returns (-1) while I set for getmail: postmaster = |/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc (The .maildroprc contains stuff like Roman's.) 3. getmail doesn't have enough documentation at this moment: a. no man page b. the rpm package comes with Mandrake 8.1 is broken. It misses a (at least) python module. I replace it with a D/L one. c. It has not a single word about how to use command for 'postmaster'. Only the line of example: postmaster = |/path/to/command (You are not even alerted to QUOTE the whole command if you have arguments.) thanks, charlie msg22692/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
On Jan 09, Nick Wilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: All PGP users I know either use Pine or Outlook, so as far as I am concerned, (unpatched) Mutt's PGP support is currently only usable for the Mutt mailing lists -- no matter how pgp_create_traditional is set. Time for a change of policy (or religion), right? That would certainly seem about right. I think it's a sad state of affairs that needs remedying pronto. So have any of you guys filed this as an actual bug against mutt yet? Talking about it in the mailing lists is a lot less guaranteed to be seen, to say the least. msg22693/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Display index in mutt
Hi, How to change directory index like tree in mutt, I mean like this: message1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- message2| [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- message3 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on. I've try for version mutt old that's like tree, so I can look someone got reply email in mailing list. TIA -- budsz
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Jeremy Blosser hath spake thusly: Note that viewing *this* message did not change the 's' to 'S' even though I have verification on and the signature was good because I have not signed my copy of your key. I expect the same behavior with the traditional method, of course. Well, if I try to verify *your* message, it does change to an 'S', even though I haven't signed my copy of your key. (?) I'm finding that some of my messages, which all seem to be either PGP-MIME or converted using the procmail rules, NEVER change from 's' to 'S' even when signature verifies and I HAVE signed the user's key. Foo? - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PF6mdjdlQoHP510RAn0MAKC7j322tFl9Cmho/hAat/xiG3zTkACgjknH +pepCKo7U3gRuh3h159M/2U= =eUqM -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Display index in mutt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 16:19 * budsz said Hi, How to change directory index like tree in mutt, I mean like this: message1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- message2| [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- message3 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on. set sort=threads Good luck! - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PGACHpvrrTa6L5oRAl0EAJoCcmTsd5t+ppwnBL/RbMaHhFb8AACfYmur SOxjyEbOzMK/qkYrsT0lxEs= =XuGr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
a little organizational help...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'ello. I'm trying to organize the way I deal with my mail. I've got procmail up and running and would like a little advice before sorting all my lists and private mail. At present everything is in ~/Mail which means there are hundreds of files in there as all outgoing gets saved to a file with the username like this msg will be in mutt-users* I don't think my incoming mail is saved anywhere and that isn't ideal either. If I make files for the different lists I'm on the problem is to wade through all those files looking for mutt-users of vim-users etc. What would you suggest? I'm open to anything that will make things simple for me! You don't have to explain everything, a kick in the right *direction* about the above points would be most welcome. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PGHiHpvrrTa6L5oRAi7SAJ9wfo6hCeLWw04Y2+sRD4XT/r3fwgCffJ5P Q1Xv+QZw8FrA/MQNynk/RNE= =Byuh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
Jeremy -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % % On Jan 09, Nick Wilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % All PGP users I know either use Pine or Outlook, so as far as I am % concerned, (unpatched) Mutt's PGP support is currently only usable for % the Mutt mailing lists -- no matter how pgp_create_traditional is set. % % Time for a change of policy (or religion), right? % % That would certainly seem about right. I think it's a sad state of % affairs that needs remedying pronto. % % So have any of you guys filed this as an actual bug against mutt yet? % Talking about it in the mailing lists is a lot less guaranteed to be seen, % to say the least. No, we leave that up to people who actually want to talk to users of other mail programs ;-) Or at least I figured that someone else would do it, particularly since I didn't start the thread. Someone ought to raise a hand and go ahead... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22698/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Display index in mutt
budsz -- ...and then budsz said... % % Hi, % % How to change directory index like tree in mutt, I mean like this: ... % % I've try for version mutt old that's like tree, so I can look someone % got reply email in mailing list. Set your sort order to threaded instead of whatever it is now. See the manual for info, press 'o' to select order and then 't' to select threaded, or perhaps hit '?' to bring up a list of keybindings and look for sort-mailbox somewhere in there if 'o' doesn't work for you. % % TIA HTH HAND % % % -- % budsz :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22699/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
custom message-id generation with Mutt?
Hello, is it possible to use some wildcard for Message-ID header generation? I would like ;) to have Message-ID geenrated according to my virtual domain, not local hostname. Or use some external program to generate unique message id's? TIA Paulius
Re: Display index in mutt
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:26:51PM +0700, budsz wrote: Hi, How to change directory index like tree in mutt, I mean like this: message1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- message2| [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- message3 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on. I've try for version mutt old that's like tree, so I can look someone got reply email in mailing list. Have you tried: - set sort=threads - set sort=reverse-threads -Hanspeter
Filters
Hi, everybody. Well, I'm new to mutt, I've used pine for a long time, and I can't filter the mail messages *after reading* them in the incoming folder, in the same manner that in pine was. Some help? Thank you, -- Fernando M. Maresca Monitoring Station S.A. 48 nº 812 La Plata (1900) BA - ARG Tel/Fax: (54) 221 425-3355 ICQ: 101304086
How do I set up Mutt to reply to lists
Now that I can send mail from my computer again, I'm running into a frusterating issue. This issue also prevented me from telling you how I fixed that before, cause the message only went to one person! When I hit r to reply to a message, the To: field is set to whoever sent the message, rather than the group. I can edit the fields, that's not a problem, but it's just an ease of use type of thing. Any ideas? Oh yeah. The problem that was keeping me from sending mail was that it was looking for a signature. Once I made on, it was fine. -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:08:18 +0800 From: Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Mail-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered? Thank you, Charles, Roman and Mark. I've tried procmail and maildrop to go with getmail but all failed. I believe they should be able to work someday when I have enough hard work on them. :) Report: 2. maildrop returns (-1) while I set for getmail: postmaster = |/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc (The .maildroprc contains stuff like Roman's.) Interesting. I suggest you to enable logging in both getmail and maildrop, tail -f both logfiles, and get some mail. Also, it'd be nice if you provided version numbers. I'm no maildrop hacker, but Charles wrote getmail, and a version number could probably help. 3. getmail doesn't have enough documentation at this moment: I dare to disagree: share/doc/getmail/CHANGELOG share/doc/getmail/docs.txt share/doc/getmail/faq.txt share/doc/getmail/getmail.txt share/examples/getmail/getmailrc-example a. no man page While man page would be really nice IMO, Charles expressed he was not interested in maintaining it. That said, the tarball *does* have enough docs IMO. b. the rpm package comes with Mandrake 8.1 is broken. It misses a (at least) python module. I replace it with a D/L one. You should bug the package's maintainer. The FreeBSD port I installed Getmail from didn't give me any trouble. And again, not enough info: *what* Python module? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 4:52PM up 14 days, 3:30, 20 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.02, 0.02
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
* Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-01-2002 16:27]: | I'm finding that some of my messages, which all seem to be either | PGP-MIME or converted using the procmail rules, NEVER change from 's' | to 'S' even when signature verifies and I HAVE signed the user's key. With me, all PGP/Mime signed messages show up with an 's' if they're not verified yet; it changes to an 'S' when I open them and they're verified, even when I haven't signed the user's key. The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) In every non-trivial program there is at least one bug. msg22705/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: strange TABs in header
On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:04:15 -0500, Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mutters, I suspect that it doesn't have anything to do with mutt, but I don't know who else to ask. The thing is that all of a sudden all mails from a friend of mine (who also uses mutt) have TABs in these three header lines: From:TABname etc To:TABname etc Date:TABdate We have no idea why this happened. So far I didn't even notice it, but now that I use SpamAssassin to filter out my spams (works great!) it complained that these TABs weren't RFC822 compatible. Anyone has seen this before or knows where it could come from? -- imho, that's MTA deal. i have such a TABs in headers with certain ZMailer Server. 10x, karlov.
Re: How do I set up Mutt to reply to lists
LOL Glad it was only a short between the keyboard and chair! Thanks to both of you. 8o) On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, Dave Smith wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:50:57AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I can send mail from my computer again, I'm running into a frusterating issue. This issue also prevented me from telling you how I fixed that before, cause the message only went to one person! When I hit r to reply to a message, the To: field is set to whoever sent the message, rather than the group. I can edit the fields, that's not a problem, but it's just an ease of use type of thing. Any ideas? Tell mutt about the mailing list, and then use 'L' instead of 'r'. Instructions in the manual at www.mutt.org. -- David Smith Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380 (direct) STMicroelectronicsFax: +44 (0)1454 617910 1000 Aztec WestTINA (ST only): (065) 2380 Almondsbury Home: 01454 616963 BRISTOLMobile: 07932 642724 BS32 4SQ Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Re: a little organizational help...
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % 'ello. 'iya! % I'm trying to organize the way I deal with my mail. I've got procmail up % and running and would like a little advice before sorting all my lists % and private mail. Good idea. % % At present everything is in ~/Mail which means there are hundreds of % files in there as all outgoing gets saved to a file with the username % like this msg will be in mutt-users* Right. % % I don't think my incoming mail is saved anywhere and that isn't ideal % either. It will only be saved somewhere when you specify so in your procmailrc file(s). % % If I make files for the different lists I'm on the problem is to wade % through all those files looking for mutt-users of vim-users etc. What most people do is to make the incoming drops look somehow different from the fcc files, so that it's easy to recognize them. % % What would you suggest? I'm open to anything that will make things % simple for me! What I do is have all of my incoming files as =F.* (where F was for Folder, long ago; I probably would have made it =I.* for Incoming if I had planned a bit more) and then have all of my fcc folders right in = as well. In addition, I save messages in =D.*/* when I sort by group; my college buddies are in =D.UGA, my work stuff is in =D.work (with each gig having a dir under there like =D.work/Calix or =D.work/MOT and the users' files under there with a simple fcc-save-hook based on the right half of the address). To make it easier to find my family members (=D.family/*) and not have to make a big custom hook (fcc-save-hook 'dad@addr|mom@other|[EMAIL PROTECTED]') I make symlinks in my = dir that point to the proper final target. Finally, I archive my mail in .../Z/file.gz for any .../file with a separate script, but it could be automated easilly enough. I don't do the monthly or quarterly or yearly rotation thing. If I were starting from scratch (or seriously interested in revamping what works well enough for me :-) I'd have some ideas: - store all incoming mail sorted by procmail either in $spoolfile or in something like =IN/*, thus making my muttrc mailboxes line really simple - make categories in subdirs like =D.* and store relevant mail there to keep things separated (mike at one job is also separated from mike at another job from mike at church from mike at school and so on, though that will eventually break down) - store all otherwise unspecified mail (the typical fcc or save) in its own general dir like =FCC or some such (you can use the %O expando for this in a default fcc-save-hook command) to keep the main directory empty - possibly make the symlinks mentioned above, but in the newly defined places, to minimize hook construction; in addition, I want all mail from my brother to end up in his one mailbox even if it comes from three different accounts, and I wouldn't want to have to hook every one of those There has been some talk about storing a message in two mailboxes, be they mbox or Maildir or whatever. I don't like the idea of the space wasted on duplication but don't yet see a relational database back-end for mutt, so the closest idea I had was one gawd-awful-big maildir where *everything* lands (and whose message numbers are guaranteed unique since they're all in one place) with symlinks or even hard links from other Maildirs pointing back into it. I could have a single message be in not only the mutt-users mailbox but also my brother's, so searching either would find it, and yet only need one copy of the real thing. That would, obviously, take some management and redefine how a message is saved (for instance), and I don't know enough about the Maildir structure to even know if there are filename changes to reflect status or if there is a header file separate from a body file and so two links (instead of files except in the master dir) would have to be maintained or what... It would probably be easier to code up the database back-end :-) % % You don't have to explain everything, a kick in the right *direction* % about the above points would be most welcome. HTH (not hurts!) HAND % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com % :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22708/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Filters
Fernando -- ...and then Fernando M. Maresca said... % % Hi, everybody. Hello, and welcome! % Well, I'm new to mutt, I've used pine for a long time, and I can't filter the mail messages *after reading* them % in the incoming folder, in the same manner that in pine was. If you really insist on not filtering them at delivery time but instead want to force your mail reader to do it, look into the mbox-hook and save-hook (or fcc-save-hook) commands to see how to define where certain messages should be saved. % Some help? % Thank you, HTH HAND % % -- % Fernando M. Maresca % % Monitoring Station S.A. % 48 nº 812 La Plata (1900) BA - ARG % Tel/Fax: (54) 221 425-3355 % ICQ: 101304086 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22709/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Saving attachments with unusual names
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:01:30 +0100, Volker Moell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..skip..] But isn't it possible that mutt detects the correct/intended filename to save the file Datei Volker Moll 1.jpg instead the file ?iso-8859-1?Q?Datei=5FVolker_M=F6ll=5F1.jpg?= in the $folder directory (=)? [..skip..] -- man muttrc(5). search for `rfc2047_parameters'. 10x, karlov.
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
Rene -- ...and then Rene Clerc said... % % The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in % front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the % signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears. Make sure that the signature is being verified when you hit esc-P, 'cuz I thought it didn't until you opened the message (once it was recognizable as a PGP message). % % -- % René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) % % In every non-trivial program there is at least one bug. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22711/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: to_chars question
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:31:45AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Jim Mock wrote: Is there a flag for to_chars to display whether or not the message contains an attachment? I looked through the manual, but don't see one (appears there's only +TCFL). Am I missing something or is there some other way to do this? i use a patch from: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#attach that might do what you want. it adds a new variable for index_format to show either message size, or (if there are attachments), the number of attachments. it looks something like this, the way i have it setup: 69 L Dec 25 Philip Mak (1*) Perfect mbox to Maildir converter where '1' is the number of attachments. HTH w ---end quoted text--- This should be considered for incorporation as an included feature/option/whatever. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org
Re: How do I set up Mutt to reply to lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 17:59 * Knute said Now that I can send mail from my computer again, I'm running into a frusterating issue. This issue also prevented me from telling you how I fixed that before, cause the message only went to one person! When I hit r to reply to a message, the To: field is set to whoever sent the message, rather than the group. I can edit the fields, that's not a problem, but it's just an ease of use type of thing. Any ideas? Yeah, the manual :) in your muttrc subscribe mutt-users to list reply the default binding is 'L' or you can use 'g' for group. There is quite a lot of stuff on lists at www.mutt.org I'm sure you'll find it interesting. Oh and don't forget set sort=threads H Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PHgwHpvrrTa6L5oRAvClAJ45t0T5FjVhOs9A3KUaFVsyV29TjQCfetlk 7/gzgscPLr9201nVJk8lxkE= =NZDC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
* On 09-01-02 at 17:59 * René Clerc said With me, all PGP/Mime signed messages show up with an 's' if they're not verified yet; it changes to an 'S' when I open them and they're verified, even when I haven't signed the user's key. The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears. Yep, same with me. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22714/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Saving outgoing messages
Hi, I want to save outgoing messages in a file username.outgoing. I tried messing around with fcc-hook but I didn't know how to send the user-name to the second parameter of fcc-hook. Thanks for any help. Todd = Todd Kokoszka 25, rue Richard Lenoir 75011 Paris Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: Saving outgoing messages
Todd -- ...and then Todd Kokoszka said... % % Hi, Hello! % % I want to save outgoing messages in a file % username.outgoing. I tried messing around with % fcc-hook but I didn't know how to send the user-name % to the second parameter of fcc-hook. The %O expando will do it. Something like fcc-hook . =%O.outgoing should work. % % Thanks for any help. HTH HAND % % Todd % % = % Todd Kokoszka % 25, rue Richard Lenoir % 75011 Paris % Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22716/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
saving attach [was: Re: Attachment umask]
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:18:19 +0100, Markus Boelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..skip..] 022? Is it also possible to define a path in the configuration? -- from http://www.mutt.org/changes.html ;-) macro attach s Home~/End Pre-pend ~/ when saving attachments I want to save all attachments in ~/attachments and export this dir via nfs onto my workstation/webserver.
Re: Saving outgoing messages
% % I want to save outgoing messages in a file % username.outgoing. I tried messing around with % fcc-hook but I didn't know how to send the user-name % to the second parameter of fcc-hook. The %O expando will do it. Something like fcc-hook . =%O.outgoing should work. Thanks for the response. This saves it in %0.outgoing for me. I had tried fcc-hook ^A \1.outgoing and that did the same thing. I don't understand how the fcc-hook parses the expressions and stores matches. Thanks again. Todd = Todd Kokoszka 25, rue Richard Lenoir 75011 Paris Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: How do I set up Mutt to reply to lists
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, Nick Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 17:59 * Knute said Now that I can send mail from my computer again, I'm running into a frusterating issue. This issue also prevented me from telling you how I fixed that before, cause the message only went to one person! When I hit r to reply to a message, the To: field is set to whoever sent the message, rather than the group. I can edit the fields, that's not a problem, but it's just an ease of use type of thing. Any ideas? Yeah, the manual :) in your muttrc subscribe mutt-users to list reply the default binding is 'L' I had read about the list_reply, but didn't know about the binding for it. or you can use 'g' for group. There is quite a lot of stuff on lists at www.mutt.org I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll have to do some reading later today. Thanks. Oh and don't forget set sort=threads Always! H Nick Wilson Tel: +45 3325 0688 Fax: +45 3325 0677 Web: www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PHgwHpvrrTa6L5oRAvClAJ45t0T5FjVhOs9A3KUaFVsyV29TjQCfetlk 7/gzgscPLr9201nVJk8lxkE= =NZDC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Re: custom message-id generation with Mutt?
Mutt currently doesn't allow you to specify the format of the message-id field, other than your setting of $host. Perhaps you could use some send-hook's that set your $host based upon which virtual domain you want to use? me
Re: Saving outgoing messages
Todd -- ...and then Todd Kokoszka said... % % The %O expando will do it. Something like ... % % Thanks for the response. This saves it in %0.outgoing % for me. I had tried Use an oh (letter) and not a zero (number) :-) HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22721/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: to_chars question
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, MuttER wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:31:45AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Jim Mock wrote: Is there a flag for to_chars to display whether or not the message contains an attachment? I looked through the manual, but don't see one (appears there's only +TCFL). Am I missing something or is there some other way to do this? i use a patch from: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#attach that might do what you want. it adds a new variable for index_format to show either message size, or (if there are attachments), the number of attachments. it looks something like this, the way i have it setup: 69 L Dec 25 Philip Mak (1*) Perfect mbox to Maildir converter where '1' is the number of attachments. HTH w ---end quoted text--- This should be considered for incorporation as an included feature/option/whatever. -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org Since this came up here, I'm going to ask, since I'm curious. I added the %T for the to_chars stuff in my index. What I noticed is that the Message Statuses seem to echo that to a certain extent. (I only did it today, and have yet to see difference.) What is the diff between the to_chars (%T) and the message status flags (%Z)? -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Suggestion for List Etiquette
I would like to suggest that people judiciously edit the text to which they are replying and remove unnecessary sentences. I'm seeing a lot of messages which I have to scroll down a ways on my 80x24 term before I can see the text of the message, and its quite annoying. If you are going to inline your comments, PLEASE edit what you are replying to so it is concise. If you don't its worse than when someone quotes an entire message and puts their response at the top. At least its easier to read then! me
mutt/gpg problem (bug?)
hi all, i've just upgraded to mutt 1.3.25 (debian), and now mutt fails understanding whether a signature is valid or not. i use the italian locale, so the pgp_good_sign should be something like ^gpg: Firma valida da name and address. i tried setting pgp_good_sign to and to ^gpg: Firma valida da, but it doesn't work. since the empty string used to work for mutt 1.2.24, i wonder if it is a bug: gpg (gnupg 1.0.6) gives his output to standard error, and seems to ignore the --output arg. can anybody help? thanx -- giorgian msg22724/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: a little organizational help...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 09-01-02 at 18:17 * David T-G said % I don't think my incoming mail is saved anywhere and that isn't ideal % either. It will only be saved somewhere when you specify so in your procmailrc file(s). Okay, which directive handles that? % If I make files for the different lists I'm on the problem is to wade % through all those files looking for mutt-users of vim-users etc. What most people do is to make the incoming drops look somehow different from the fcc files, so that it's easy to recognize them. Sounds reasonable but I think I'll settle fot the ~/Mail/lists/list-name approach. I like it. % What would you suggest? I'm open to anything that will make things % simple for me! What I do is have all of my incoming files as =F.* (where F was for Folder, long ago; I probably would have made it =I.* for Incoming if I had planned a bit more) and then have all of my fcc folders right in = as well. Do you mean like ~/Mail/F.some_friend What /is/ fcc exactly? If I were starting from scratch (or seriously interested in revamping what works well enough for me :-) I'd have some ideas: - store all incoming mail sorted by procmail either in $spoolfile or in something like =IN/*, thus making my muttrc mailboxes line really simple When you say $spoolfile could that mean /var/spool/mail/nick? I use a pop account so all incoming goes there, althoug I delete it in the mutt index to clear the view and lose it (must sort that one!) - store all otherwise unspecified mail (the typical fcc or save) in its own general dir like =FCC or some such (you can use the %O expando for this in a default fcc-save-hook command) to keep the main directory empty - possibly make the symlinks mentioned above, but in the newly defined Like it, like it. I envisage my perfect setup as something like ~/Mail ~/Mail/regular_crap ~/Mail/family_personal ~/Mail/lists Completer with subdirs etc. fcc_save_hook with the expando example? Okay, much thanks David, I cut alot of the message as it's way beyond me for the moment but I've saved the mail ;) Thanks again for your advice, you've managed to help me loads since I started using mutt and it's appreciated. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PJY2HpvrrTa6L5oRAj6uAJ9dvKnlYkMi3y1EfdodKn3qjJ6UCQCfQzdg AXyH7WIyxhDAv7x3sbKGm+4= =ZAdi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: to_chars question
Knute muttered: On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, MuttER wrote: I added the %T for the to_chars stuff in my index. What I noticed is that the Message Statuses seem to echo that to a certain extent. (I only did it today, and have yet to see difference.) What is the diff between the to_chars (%T) and the message status flags (%Z)? %T displays the to_chars (+TCFL) %Z display the message status flags r for replied ! for flagged * for tagged N for new s for signed P for encryped ... %Z includes the to_chars characters HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: a little organizational help...
Nick - ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * On 09-01-02 at 18:17 % * David T-G said % % % I don't think my incoming mail is saved anywhere and that isn't ideal % % either. % % It will only be saved somewhere when you specify so in your procmailrc % file(s). % % Okay, which directive handles that? Given a procmail rule :0 : # second colon for a lockfile for mbox * some list condition =IN/listname or whatever. Check out the man pages for procmailrc and procmailex for more info. I am not a procmail guru, though I muddle around a bit, and such stuff comes up on this list often enough that you should probably go to the archives instead of starting another procmail thread ;-) % % % If I make files for the different lists I'm on the problem is to wade % % through all those files looking for mutt-users of vim-users etc. % % What most people do is to make the incoming drops look somehow different % from the fcc files, so that it's easy to recognize them. % % Sounds reasonable but I think I'll settle fot the ~/Mail/lists/list-name % approach. I like it. Sure. I like having my directories and special files uppper-cased because they then show up first in an ls output. Otherwise, F for folder, D for directory, Z for .gz (compressed) folders, etcetc. % % % What would you suggest? I'm open to anything that will make things % % simple for me! % % What I do is have all of my incoming files as =F.* (where F was for % Folder, long ago; I probably would have made it =I.* for Incoming if I % had planned a bit more) and then have all of my fcc folders right in = as % well. % % Do you mean like ~/Mail/F.some_friend % What /is/ fcc exactly? The fcc is the folder carbon copy; it's where mutt stores its saved copy of the message that you send. My thought there was to have any mail you send be saved as ~/Mail/FCC/some_friend and ~/Mail/FCC/mutt-users and so on; the F.* files were for incoming 'F'olders when procmail dumps stuff off -- and I, at least, don't procmail messages from ordinary folks (unless it goes to the spam folder) but only from lists and such. Mail from joe user ends up in my spoolfile. % % % If I were starting from scratch (or seriously interested in revamping % what works well enough for me :-) I'd have some ideas: % % - store all incoming mail sorted by procmail either in $spoolfile or in %something like =IN/*, thus making my muttrc mailboxes line really simple % % When you say $spoolfile could that mean /var/spool/mail/nick? Yep. % I use a pop account so all incoming goes there, althoug I delete it in % the mutt index to clear the view and lose it (must sort that one!) You should, from what I understand though I don't use POP, use something like fetchmail to suck down your mail and then hand it off to procmail. Once the mail is in /var/spool/mail/nick it's too late to filter. % % - store all otherwise unspecified mail (the typical fcc or save) in its %own general dir like =FCC or some such (you can use the %O expando for %this in a default fcc-save-hook command) to keep the main directory %empty % - possibly make the symlinks mentioned above, but in the newly defined % % Like it, like it. I envisage my perfect setup as something like % % ~/Mail % ~/Mail/regular_crap % ~/Mail/family_personal % ~/Mail/lists Same idea with different names. % % Completer with subdirs etc. % % fcc_save_hook with the expando example? I just sent out a message something like this :-) Something like fcc-save-hook . =family_personal/%O to save everything under your family dir. That's probably not realistic, though, and the problem with that is that you end up with a muttrc like fcc-save-hook 'dad@addr|mom@other|bro@school|bro@hotmail' =family/%O fcc-save-hook 'buddy@isp|pal@else|davidtg@jpo' =otherdir/$O and so on; it becomes unmanageable. I handled that problem by making many =D.* dirs and making lots and lots of symlinks in ~/Mail that point into those dirs. A smattering: F.bb - D.work/F.bb bb - D.work/bb cct-echo2 - D.work/F.sun comicradiation - D.work/PFE/gareth_w_jones floyd - D.work/MOT/floyd.shackelford floyds - D.work/MOT/floyd.shackelford gareth_w_jones - D.work/PFE/gareth_w_jones glmather - D.family/glmather jan_wallace - D.work/PFE/jan_wallace joegaude - D.work/Calix/joseph.gaude kielsky - D.work/MOT/kielsky lauratg - ./D.family/lauratg lfell - D.family/lfell meowsama - D.work/SAP/meowsama michael - D.work/MOT/kielsky michaelg - D.family/michaelg nsnow - D.work/nsnow shubro_sankar - D.work/Calix/shubro.mandal zerepb - D.family/zerepb zipgunmedia - D.family/zipgunmedia It gets a little messy in an ls, but if you never look in the main directory and only look in the subs then it doesn't matter so much :-) % % % Okay, much thanks David, I cut alot of the message as it's way beyond me % for the moment but I've saved the mail ;) Good deal :-) % % Thanks again for your
Re: a little organizational help...
On Jan 09, Nick Wilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
'ello.
I'm trying to organize the way I deal with my mail. I've got procmail up
and running and would like a little advice before sorting all my lists
and private mail.
Well, I use qmail '-' address extensions instead of procmail to sort list
stuff, and I probably went overboard on the organization, but here it is:
All incoming mail hits this .qmail rule:
| ~/bin/qmail-default
Which is:
-
#!/bin/sh
if [ -d ~/Mail/$EXT/IN/cur/ ]; then
maildir ~/Mail/$EXT/IN/
else
maildir ~/Maildir/
fi
exit $?
-
Which means, if a certain maildir exists matching the address the mail came
to, put it there, else put it in my regular inbox. So mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will go to the maildir ~/Mail/mutt/IN/ if it exists.
When I subscribe to a new list or otherwise want to sort a '-' extension to
it's own folders, I run this:
-
#!/bin/sh
for i in ${@}; do
MPATH=~/Mail/${i}
mkdir ${MPATH}
maildirmake ${MPATH}/IN
maildirmake ${MPATH}/KEEP
maildirmake ${MPATH}/OUT
maildirmake ${MPATH}/POSTPONED
maildirmake ${MPATH}/TODO
maildirmake ${MPATH}/TRASH
cat ~/.mutt/mailboxes -EOF
folder-hook '=${i}/.*' 'set from=jblosser-${i}@firinn.org'
folder-hook '=${i}/.*' 'set record==${i}/OUT/'
folder-hook '=${i}/.*' 'set postponed==${i}/POSTPONED/'
folder-hook '=${i}/.*' 'set trash==${i}/TRASH/'
EOF
done
sort ~/.mutt/mailboxes ~/.mutt/mailboxes.SORT
mv -f ~/.mutt/mailboxes{.SORT,}
-
Which sets up seperate inbox, archive, outbox, postponed, todo, and trash
maildirs for that extension/list, and adds the relevant lines the the
mailboxes file, which my .muttrc sources.
Finally, my .muttrc has the following mailboxes line:
mailboxes `echo ~/Mail/*/IN`
Like I said, probably overboard on organization, and I may not keep it all,
but it's working right now. I actually just recently set it up because I
had far, far too little organization before.
The only thing I'm really needing still is a decent way to watch the IN
boxes for incoming mail. I'd really like to find a decent console/curses
biff program, but I haven't seen any. mutt -y really doesn't seem to cut
it.
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Re: to_chars question
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, Michael Tatge wrote: %Z includes the to_chars characters Ok, that's what I needed to know. Thanks! -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-01-2002 17:40]: | % The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in | % front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the | % signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears. | | Make sure that the signature is being verified when you hit esc-P, 'cuz I | thought it didn't until you opened the message (once it was recognizable | as a PGP message). I did; after opening and verifying, pager shows the message exactly the same as a PGP/Mime signed message. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am a little man and this is a little town but there must be a spark in a little man that can burst into flame. -John Steinbeck msg22730/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
On Jan 09, Ren? Clerc [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in
front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the
signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears.
Well, something was awry, because I reported the bug I was talking about
earlier to the BTS and got a patch back to fix it, haven't had a chance to
try it yet:
Index: pgp.c
===
RCS file: /home/roessler/cvsroot/mutt/pgp.c,v
retrieving revision 2.44
diff -u -r2.44 pgp.c
--- pgp.c 2001/11/08 11:06:22 2.44
+++ pgp.c 2002/01/09 15:37:50
@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
continue;
}
- have_any_sigs = have_any_sigs || clearsign;
+ have_any_sigs = have_any_sigs || (clearsign (s-flags M_VERIFY));
if(!clearsign || s-flags M_VERIFY)
{
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Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
On Jan 09, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % So have any of you guys filed this as an actual bug against mutt yet? % Talking about it in the mailing lists is a lot less guaranteed to be seen, % to say the least. No, we leave that up to people who actually want to talk to users of other mail programs ;-) Or at least I figured that someone else would do it, particularly since I didn't start the thread. Someone ought to raise a hand and go ahead... Someone posted it to mutt-dev I think but the tracking word in bug tracking system is kind of the operative part. msg22732/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
While I'm on RedHat, not Mandrake, my suspicion is that Mandrake may be set up so that you do not need a .forward file for postfix. Have you tried running without the .forward? Sorry for late reply, but i am just catching up on my 927 new messages in mutt-users mailbox :) Anyway, Postfix is NOT using .forward files by default, which I think is a good thing. And it will look into your ~/.procmailrc if you have mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail in your /etc/postfix/main.cf. Although if you still want Postfix to look for .forward file fird put this into your /etc/postfix/main.cf allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward forward_path = $home/.forward$recipient_delimiter$extension,$home/.forward igor -- Uptime : 1 day, 21:51
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Igor Pruchanskiy wrote:
Anyway, Postfix is NOT using .forward files by default, which I think
is a good thing.
i'm not sure this is the case, unless a vendor configuration has
specifically disabled this by default.
on my system, default settings appear to say pretty much the same thing
you suggest adding to main.cf
jazz% postconf -d | grep forward
allow_mail_to_commands = alias,forward
allow_mail_to_files = alias,forward
forward_expansion_filter =
1234567890!@%-_=+:,./abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
forward_path = $home/.forward${recipient_delimiter}${extension},$home/.forward
prepend_delivered_header = command, file, forward
jazz% postconf -d | grep version
mail_version = Snapshot-20010808
(this is on a freebsd4.4 stable machine; postfix was built either from
source or from the postfix-current port)... i get the same results on
both debian linux and solaris 8 with Snapshot-20011121 (built from
source).
And it will look into your ~/.procmailrc if you have
mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail
probably /usr/bin/procmail -t
is better
w
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09 Jan 2002 15:08 +0100]: * On 09-01-02 at 15:05 * John Perry said Did I miss a patch for this? Guess I was reading my mail too fast. Can someone point me to it? Hi I hope were talking about the same thing, I'm very new to mutt. I mean the pgp_outlook_compat patch (something like that anyway) that you can pick up at http://mutt.justpickone.org Yes, but as has been pointed out a number of times, the patch does not cause the MIME type to be set to text/plain. It remains application/pgp. The only way to sign and have the content type set to text/plain (and have mutt deal appropriately with text/plain clearsigned messages without intervention) is to code for it yourself somehow, be it vim hacks, mutt macros, procmail recipes or whatever. The proposal is to dump application/pgp, and make p_c_t result in a plain text MIME type for clearsigned messages. -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg22735/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
From Header, and other questions
I am fairly new to Mutt, but I have RTFM and done a Google search, so this is my last resort. I have a few questions I was hoping someone could answer for me. First of all, I have several different e-mail addresses I use for different purpose. Is there a right way to switch between From addresses? Also, I have this in my .muttrc: set reverse_name = yes set reverse_realname = yes , but Mutt doesn't seem to be honoring it. For instance, when I have an e-mail come in to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reply to it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is put in the From header. I want the e-mail address that it was sent to to be used in the reply. Finally, I get lots of signed messages off the Debian lists, so I have automatic verification turned off. Now I can't figure out how to manually verify a message. I did it once, but I don't remember how. If anyone can help me with any of this, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Ben Pharr
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:47:50PM -0800, Jonathan Irving wrote:
Yes, but as has been pointed out a number of times, the patch
does not cause the MIME type to be set to text/plain.
This is just wrong. Setting the mime type to text/plain instead of
application/pgp is the very purpose of the ``PGP Outlook compatibility
patch'' (which I call ``PGP compatibility patch'').
What has confused a few people is the fact that the patch is effective
only if both pgp_outlook_compat and pgp_create_traditional are set.
The proposal is to dump application/pgp, and make p_c_t result in
a plain text MIME type for clearsigned messages.
That's right. This can be achieved by integrating the patch into the
next full release of Mutt.
Cheers
Cristian
--
}{ Cristian Pietsch
}{ http://www.interling.de
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Re: From Header, and other questions
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:56:37PM -0600, Benjamin Pharr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, I have several different e-mail addresses I use for different purpose. Is there a right way to switch between From addresses? I use: alias f_de Nicolas Rachinsky adress1 alias f_net Nicolas Rachinsky adress2 alias f_listNicolas Rachinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias f_Nicolas Rachinsky adress3 alias f_nr Nicolas Rachinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias f_wes Nicolas Rachinsky adress4 alias f_tli1[EMAIL PROTECTED] alias f_tli2[EMAIL PROTECTED] macro compose v edit-from^Uf_tab Absender wählen So I can press v in the compose menu, and get a list of from addresses. And I set the default from depending on the folder I'm in. Also, I have this in my .muttrc: set reverse_name = yes set reverse_realname = yes , but Mutt doesn't seem to be honoring it. For instance, when I have an e-mail come in to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reply to it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is put in the From header. I want the e-mail address that it was sent to to be used in the reply. I think you have to set alternates correctly, but I must admit I don't really know. Finally, I get lots of signed messages off the Debian lists, so I have automatic verification turned off. Now I can't figure out how to manually verify a message. I did it once, but I don't remember how. Try this one macro pager p enter-commandset pgp_verify_sig\nexitdisplay-messagecheck-traditional-pgpenter-commandunset pgp_verify_sig\n Check PGP sig Nicolas
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
Cristian [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10 Jan 2002 00:04 +0100]: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:47:50PM -0800, Jonathan Irving wrote: Yes, but as has been pointed out a number of times, the patch does not cause the MIME type to be set to text/plain. This is just wrong. Setting the mime type to text/plain instead of application/pgp is the very purpose of the ``PGP Outlook compatibility patch'' (which I call ``PGP compatibility patch''). What has confused a few people is the fact that the patch is effective only if both pgp_outlook_compat and pgp_create_traditional are set. You're right. My bad. In fact, I had been using both of these. I believe the problem is actually the Content-Disposition header, which is inline; filename=msg.pgp Is this just an artifact of pgp_create_traditional? Without the filename=msg.pgp, I guess the other-MUA-sees-only- attachments problem that Nick described, and I've experienced, would go away. The proposal is to dump application/pgp, and make p_c_t result in a plain text MIME type for clearsigned messages. That's right. This can be achieved by integrating the patch into the next full release of Mutt. With the above fix? Or am I missing something. -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg22739/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: From Header, and other questions
My best guess would be to use send-hooks. Maybe something along the lines of: set default_hook=~C %s send-hook . \ 'my_hdr From: Benjamin Pharr [EMAIL PROTECTED]' send-hook .*[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ 'my_hdr From: Benjamin Pharr [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Hope that works. It should, I took it out of some comments from my .muttrc file that I downloaded. 8o) On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, Benjamin Pharr wrote: I am fairly new to Mutt, but I have RTFM and done a Google search, so this is my last resort. I have a few questions I was hoping someone could answer for me. First of all, I have several different e-mail addresses I use for different purpose. Is there a right way to switch between From addresses? Also, I have this in my .muttrc: set reverse_name = yes set reverse_realname = yes , but Mutt doesn't seem to be honoring it. For instance, when I have an e-mail come in to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reply to it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is put in the From header. I want the e-mail address that it was sent to to be used in the reply. Finally, I get lots of signed messages off the Debian lists, so I have automatic verification turned off. Now I can't figure out how to manually verify a message. I did it once, but I don't remember how. If anyone can help me with any of this, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Ben Pharr -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Mutt: aliasing IMAP servers?
I'd like to know is it actually possible to somehow 'alias' an IMAP server namespace to a prefix? I'm using 2 IMAP accounts and everything is fine, except that often I'd like to save an message to another server: I get personal mail to company account and would like to store it to private account's IMAP namespace. What I would like to have is some kind of global hook to shortcut with the IMAP prefix, like following =company/business which will be translated to imap://imap.company.com/Mail/business =private/brother and a folder like imap://isp-imap.isp.com/Mail/brother ... or using =company and =private to browse these namespaces. The setting would be something like set folderspace_alias =company imap://imap.company.com/Mail set folderspace_alias =private imap://isp-imap.isp.com/Mail Of course this would have to mask folders private and company in local folder space, maybe we could use for example $ instead of = or something like that. -- /\ |Ilkka Tuohela / Nixu Oy \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign |[EMAIL PROTECTED] X Against HTML Mail |+358-40-5233174 / \
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
Patch worked fine to fix the behaviour I was seeing. I don't know anything
about the other reported anomolies, or if 's' should or shouldn't become
'S' if the key isn't locally signed... I suspect not, since I don't think
mutt gets that much info from gpg about the valid status.
Thomas are you following this thread at all?
On Jan 09, Jeremy Blosser [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
On Jan 09, Ren? Clerc [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in
front in the message index; when I verify them using EscP, the
signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears.
Well, something was awry, because I reported the bug I was talking about
earlier to the BTS and got a patch back to fix it, haven't had a chance to
try it yet:
Index: pgp.c
===
RCS file: /home/roessler/cvsroot/mutt/pgp.c,v
retrieving revision 2.44
diff -u -r2.44 pgp.c
--- pgp.c 2001/11/08 11:06:22 2.44
+++ pgp.c 2002/01/09 15:37:50
@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
continue;
}
- have_any_sigs = have_any_sigs || clearsign;
+ have_any_sigs = have_any_sigs || (clearsign (s-flags M_VERIFY));
if(!clearsign || s-flags M_VERIFY)
{
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X11/Mutt problems.
I have this weird problem when I close Xwindows, and I _suspect_ that it is related to mutt, but I am not sure. Ever since I apt-get upgraded my box the last time (couple days ago), I've been having this really weird problem where it _seems_ as though mutt has hijacked the keyboard input from my tty, but is not displaying anything on it. In fact, it's much weirder than that. It's almost as though the keyboard focus is rotating between mutt, bash, and something else entirely different. Sometimes when I press keys it will seem as though mutt is asking me for a Subject (as in composing a new message), and if I press more random keys, vim will open with a blank message, however it's not really vim because it doesn't accept any vim commands, it just has vim's output, and if I press more random keys (when I say random keys, I mean like frantically trying to type :q! into vim, or q into mutt, or exit into bash, because I can't tell what's running), it will come up with bash's command not found error. The only thing that works properly at this point are the ALT+F# keys to switch ttys. The 'w' command on another tty says that I am running '-bash' on the affected tty. 'killall mutt' and 'killall vim' said those commands weren't running, which is really weird. I might try a 'killall bash' next time I get this problem. Anybody have any ideas? -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The Windows NT workstations locked up every 2.58 minutes... The Linux workstations [which replaced them] haven't had a problem. -- Randy Kessell, SBC Communications Inc. msg22743/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X11/Mutt problems.
Alas! Rob 'Feztaa' Park spake thus: Anybody have any ideas? Aha! I now suspect this problem was due to me having Opera configured to launch mutt, but not launch it in it's own aterm. I was wondering why Opera wasn't doing anything when I tried to click on 'mailto:' links :) I've configured Opera to launch an aterm that runs mutt, instead of mutt directly. Hopefully this will fix the problem :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote. --Grover Cleveland, Former US President (1905) msg22744/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
deleted mail folder
Hi, I'm new to mutt and mutt-users and have been spending the afternoon configuring mutt the way I want it, but there's a couple things I can't figure out how to do and was wondering if anyone here could help me. 1) Save deleted messages to a folder instead of deleting them permanently. I found a patch to do this here: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#trash but I'd really rather not recompile mutt. I figure I could do it be remapping the 'd' key to save the message to a folder or something, but I have no idea how I would do that. Any ideas? 2) When mutt quits, it asks, Move read messages to /home/mgumbel/mbox? ([n]/y): but I don't want it to ask that. I just want it to leave the messages in my inbox. How do I make it do that? thanks! -Matt -- Matt Gumbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Engineering student at the University of Illinois UNIX sysadmin for Calculus and Mathematica at the University of Illinois
Re: deleted mail folder
Matt Gumbel wrote: [both of these are in the archives a lot...] 1) Save deleted messages to a folder instead of deleting them permanently. I found a patch to do this here: i use something like this folder-hook . macro index d save-message=Trash/enter folder-hook . macro pager d save-message=Trash/enter folder-hook =Trash macro index d delete-message folder-hook =Trash macro pager d delete-message 2) When mutt quits, it asks, Move read messages to /home/mgumbel/mbox? ([n]/y): but I don't want it to ask that. set move=no
Re: deleted mail folder
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002, Matt Gumbel wrote: Hi, I'm new to mutt and mutt-users and have been spending the afternoon configuring mutt the way I want it, but there's a couple things I can't figure out how to do and was wondering if anyone here could help me. 1) Save deleted messages to a folder instead of deleting them permanently. I found a patch to do this here: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#trash but I'd really rather not recompile mutt. I figure I could do it be remapping the 'd' key to save the message to a folder or something, but I have no idea how I would do that. Any ideas? I'm kinda new at this myself, but maybe: bindgeneral d copy-message+trash \ Send Message to trash Don't know if it will work, but you could give it a shot! 2) When mutt quits, it asks, Move read messages to /home/mgumbel/mbox? ([n]/y): but I don't want it to ask that. I just want it to leave the messages in my inbox. How do I make it do that? in your ~/.muttrc file (if there isn't one make it) and then: set move=no thanks! -Matt -- Matt Gumbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Engineering student at the University of Illinois UNIX sysadmin for Calculus and Mathematica at the University of Illinois -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
Re: deleted mail folder
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:08:34PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: folder-hook . macro index d save-message=Trash/enter folder-hook . macro pager d save-message=Trash/enter folder-hook =Trash macro index d delete-message folder-hook =Trash macro pager d delete-message Thanks Will. If anyone else out there is going to use this, I had to change the first two lines to the following to make it work: folder-hook . macro index d save-message=Trashenter folder-hook . macro pager d save-message=Trashenter -Matt -- Matt Gumbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Engineering student at the University of Illinois UNIX sysadmin for Calculus and Mathematica at the University of Illinois
imap and ipfw firewall
Hi, I'm struggling to maintain imap connections across an IPF firewall using mutt (on FreeBSD 4.4). The problem exists in both mutt 1.2.5.1 and 1.3.25, and I haven't seen any references to it on the mailing list. After 5 minutes, my firewall deletes old dynamic rules that haven't been used. This amount of time is configurable, although obviously I wouldn't want to set it too large. The problem is that mutt can often go for more than 5 minutes without generating any traffic to the imap server, thereby allowing the dynamic firewall rule to timeout due to inactivity. Mutt 1.2.5 has an imap_checkinterval variable that one would think would rectify this problem, but it appears that mutt doesn't actually perform a check when the interval expires. Instead it seems to wait for user activity before performing the check. Mutt 1.3.25 has no imap_checkinterval, but it does have an imap_keepalive variable. However, the keepalive is only invoked while mutt is invoking other system processes via the mutt_system() function (eg. the user's text editor) The question is, is there any easy way to configure mutt to generate periodic traffic to the imap server? If not, has anyone written a patch to do so? Thanks -Michael Burton msg22749/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt: aliasing IMAP servers?
On 2002.01.09, in 1010610421.2294.0.camel@panucho, Ilkka Tuohela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =company/business which will be translated to imap://imap.company.com/Mail/business =private/brother and a folder like imap://isp-imap.isp.com/Mail/brother ... Of course this would have to mask folders private and company in local folder space, maybe we could use for example $ instead of = or something like that. If you're willing to do that, maybe you're willing to use macro editor '$company' 'imap://imap.company.com/Mail/' macro editor '$private' 'imap://isp-imap.isp.com/Mail/' -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: imap and ipfw firewall
On Jan 09, Michael Burton [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Mutt 1.2.5 has an imap_checkinterval variable that one would think would rectify this problem, but it appears that mutt doesn't actually perform a check when the interval expires. Instead it seems to wait for user activity before performing the check. See the $timeout variable... as far as I know this applies to IMAP just like everything else. msg22751/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: deleted mail folder
On Jan 09, Matt Gumbel [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:08:34PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: folder-hook . macro index d save-message=Trash/enter folder-hook . macro pager d save-message=Trash/enter Thanks Will. If anyone else out there is going to use this, I had to change the first two lines to the following to make it work: folder-hook . macro index d save-message=Trashenter folder-hook . macro pager d save-message=Trashenter This would just indicate he's using a folder-based mailbox format like maildir, and you're using something like mbox. If you use this kind of thing for trash, keep in mind that it will only work for single message deletions and won't have any effect on things like delete-thread. Cedric's patch is really the way to go if you want this functionality done correctly. msg22752/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
For messages without charset specified
In our country, I used to receive messages without 'charset' specifed in Content-Type:, while the text body is encoded in big5. I have my mutt set charset=big5 but the pager just display '?'s for such messages (other charset-tagged messages are OK). In Mozilla, I can have the following settings for 'Message Display': [v] Apply default to all messages (ignore character coding specified by MIME header) How can I do it in mutt? set charset=big5 looks not working. charlie
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Thanks, Igor and Will, I've found that .forward (with procmail called) works for default postfix settings. As mentioned by Will, those advanced settings of procmail should have been set by default. Now my procmail can work well with postfix. The only pity is procmail doesn't work (return -1) if I call it from within getmail. best, charlie
Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette
I Agree. For an hacker, his message should be as well tailored as his programs. charlie
edit threads for Maildir
so i didn't read the fine print and just realized that the editing threads patch doesn't work with Maildir. is there any sort of equivelant patch? is there a technical reason that this is harder to do with Maildir? this is a feature i'd like to have (since i normally don't want to have strict threads set, but i do get a lot of people writing me with subjects like 'hey' or whatever). w
Re: edit threads for Maildir
On Jan 09, Will Yardley [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: so i didn't read the fine print and just realized that the editing threads patch doesn't work with Maildir. is there any sort of equivelant patch? is there a technical reason that this is harder to do with Maildir? see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-devm=101023284328003w=2 and http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-devm=101033869923133w=2 msg22757/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit
On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, Hanspeter Roth wrote: It seems to me send-hook ~t is not working with autoedit and edit_headers set. Only the answer from the initial send-menu seems to be considered. Changes from the invoked editor and the compose menu don't seem to have any effect. This is a bug, isn't it? -Hanspeter Don't you have to define a default hook in the config file before you call the send-hook so that mutt knows what it needs to look at first? -- Knute You live, You die. Enjoy the interval! -- Clarence
text_flowed
what common editors (if any) support format=flowed? i'd be interested in setting 'text_flowed', but i'm betting vim doesn't do this correctly by default. anyone have a vim configuration that will do this? w
Re: text_flowed
what common editors (if any) support format=flowed? i'd be interested in setting 'text_flowed', but i'm betting vim doesn't do this correctly by default. anyone have a vim configuration that will do this? Are you just looking for a way to have vim break lines at some particular page width while you're typing? You can use ':set tw' to do that - for instance, :set tw=72' for a 72-column page width. KEN -- Kenneth J. Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Homepage: http://www.skyjammer.com/~pronovic/ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 msg22760/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 10-01-02 at 08:11 * Cristian said This is just wrong. Setting the mime type to text/plain instead of application/pgp is the very purpose of the ``PGP Outlook compatibility patch'' (which I call ``PGP compatibility patch''). What has confused a few people is the fact that the patch is effective only if both pgp_outlook_compat and pgp_create_traditional are set. That's what I thought. (felt like quite a dummy after reading the last post) - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PUWzHpvrrTa6L5oRArLgAJ0UsTNfB9KInlHhDHJ6CX8QZPo9CACdGkr1 GXjLXvyM04nJPQdEFrjW0+o= =hU2f -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette
Charles Jie wrote: I Agree. For an hacker, his message should be as well tailored as his programs. But please: Don't snip *everything*! Just reading the answer or comment (to an unknown question, because I deleted the original posting in the meantime) ist more painful than ignoring superfluous quoting lines. Just my .02¤ -volker -- http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ An ideal world is left as an exercise to the reader.
