date:20020515


On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:47:52 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can no longer boot into Linux, and I need to get files from my Mandrake drive.
 
 I have a dual boot system with Windows 98 on hard drive 1, and Mandrake 8.1 on Hard 
Drive 2. I had to reinstall Windows, and can no longer get the Mandrake screen which 
prompts for the partition to boot.
 
 I have a Linux boot floppy which didn't seem to help. It may not have been created 
from the latest Mandrake install.
 
 How can I get access to my files which are on the Mandrake drive?
 
 Thanks.
 
 

boot your installation CD.  skip averything up to the boot loader part, reinstall LILO 
and
you are back in busines.. 

HTH

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Re: [newbie] Can't Boot Linux

2002-05-15 Thread Tom Brinkman


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 10:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can no longer boot into Linux, and I need to get files from my
 Mandrake drive.
 I have a dual boot system with Windows 98 on hard drive 1, and
 Mandrake 8.1 on Hard Drive 2. I had to reinstall Windows, and can
 no longer get the Mandrake screen which prompts for the partition
 to boot.

 When you reinstalled windoze, it overwrote the mbr and removed 
lilo.  Winblows is sort'a antisocial like that ;)

 I have a Linux boot floppy which didn't seem to help. It may not
 have been created from the latest Mandrake install.

What Mandrake version?  You should be able to boot your 1st 
Mandrake CD, and at the first screen, press  F1 and type 'rescue' 
(w/o the quotes).  That'll let you mount everything under /mnt 
(IIRC). Then you can run 'lilo' to reinstall it to the MBR (master 
boot record).

 If you don't feel comfortable doin the above, boot the 1st CD, 
and choose Expert - Upgrade.  Skip thru the stuff you've already done 
till you get to Install bootloader, and just let the CD reinstall 
lilo (or grub) for you.
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Re: [newbie] LM 8.2 shutdown problem

2002-05-15 Thread Cyril Vassilchenko


Dear Femme!
In mail list from mandrake-newbies I read that you did not use MS 
products? Why, senorita? I use both. e.g. on my computer ALTLinux Junior 
and WinXP HE are installed. ALTLinux Junior is a Mandrake-based distro, 
especially oriented for Russian users, which has improved implementation 
of Cyrillic.
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[newbie] Suspicious ~/.procmailrc file ?

2002-05-15 Thread Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas



Does anyone know what could be the reason for this msg?


Ricardo Castanho


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Re: [newbie] Video again

2002-05-15 Thread Nicolas VERITE


Le mer 15/05/2002 à 10:59, Robin Turner a écrit :
 Has any one here had any success getting Mandrake to download from a 
 camcorder via USB?
 
 Sir Robin

With or without Mandrake, you can't up/download
moving pictures (vidéo) from/to a camcorder via USB.

You must use Firewire/iLink/IEEE1394.

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[newbie] KSplashML

2002-05-15 Thread Brian Koppe


I'm trying to get KSplashML running, but I couldn't install the packages 
off of my D's - a dependency on kdebase2.2.2 - I'm running KDE3.  I 
searched in the KDE RPMs and could not find one for KSplashML - am I 
correct in assuming it's just not available as of yet, or does someone 
know of a way it works?

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Suspicious ~/.procmailrc file ?

2002-05-15 Thread Randy Kramer


Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote:
 Does anyone know what could be the reason for this msg?

What is the message?

Randy Kramer



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[newbie] system hang

2002-05-15 Thread Norman Zhang


LM 8.2 sometimes hang without any signs. The hard disk stop responding,
keyboards dies, but the mouse can still move. I need to give my machine a
power cycle. Which logs do I go through to obtain more information on the
cause?

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Re: [newbie] /Net unmount at shutdown failing 8.2MDK

2002-05-15 Thread Miark


 Third If you really have to kill the system do it the correct way
 Alt+Sysreq+R
 Alt+Sysreq+E
 Alt+Sysreq+S
 Alt+Sysreq+B

Damn--I never even saw that key on my keyboard 
before today! How sad is _that_?!

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[newbie] errors on snf installation

2002-05-15 Thread Peter Kaleve


Hi,

just tried to install Mandrake SNF 7.2. Got the following error
message during installation:

insmod'ing module via-rhine failed at /usr/bin/perl-install/modules.pm
line 486

what does this mean?

Furthermore my NICs aren't recognized. These are two D-LINK DFE-530TX,
which are listed in the docs as supported.

The machine: ASUS board TX97-E, 64 MB RAM, HD MAXTOR 8Gig (CHS-Mode),
 TSENG ET4000 Graphic (ISA), 2 NICs D-LINK DFE-530TX,
 1 ISDN-Card Elsa Quickstep 1000 pro PCI, 1 Modem USR
 Everything (33,3), 1 CD-ROM TOSHIBA 6102B


any hints?

thanxs

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Re: [newbie] Install crashes

2002-05-15 Thread civileme


Robert Wieteska wrote:

 I have an AMD Athlom 1000Mhz, 256 Mb RAM, GeForceII, RAID contrilers. 
 During the instalation i have a comunicate

 Segmentation fault: Seems like memory is missing as an install 
 crashes. What should I do.

 Wietek

That is almost certainly a disk error.  I assume you are not attempting 
to use the so-called RAID controllers in RAID mode since that is a 
windows-specific software RAID which requires special linux drivers (IF 
they are available).

You might try this:

F1 at splash screen

linux ide0=noautotune ide1=noautotune ide2=noautotune ide3=noautotune

Also try removing and reseating disk cables (very frequently a problem) 
and checking disk brands (I see this ten times as frequently with WD disks).

The cables should be 80-pin and high-quality without stress on the 
point-to-point connection.  SOme of the new rounded IDE cables being 
sold for about $6 each are very good replacements.

If you replace the disk cables with 40-pin which will force UDMA2/ATA33 
or lower on the interface and the install goes OK there is no doubt at 
all that your hard disk drives are marginal.

If you need to check system memory (the less probable flaw), then use

/dosutils/rawwritewin.exe

to copy the image

/images/memtest-x86.bin

to a floppy and boot from the floppy.  If you are using 8.2, you can 
probably boot from the CD and hit F1 at the splash screen and type

rescue

then select the memory test from the menu that comes up.

It is not uncommon for Windows to work (sort of) with faulty memory and 
linux to barf at it.After acclimation to a crashy environment, the 
user does not notice a slight increase in the frequency of crashes, and 
the two use memory much differently.  Windows may encourage rebooting 
when system resources run low, while linux endeavors to keep resources 
in use all the time and simply reassign the resources from one task to 
another as needed.

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Re: [newbie] X and Mouse related problem

2002-05-15 Thread Stormjumper


hi Balajee,

i've been paying attention to the mandrake newbie list,
and the xfree newbie lists.

a small group of users seem to be having this problem
where x loads but freezes, including me.

this seems especially prevalent on recent distributions
and current kernels, eg. RH7.3, Mandrake 8.2,
2.4.18 kernels, X4.2.

however, there doesn't seem to be a pattern where
hardware is involved.

well, i'm very much a newbie myself, so i don't know
how to troubleshoot, but to skirt around the issue,
you can try installed a slightly backdated distro,
and selectively upgrading packages...
- Original Message -
From: Balajee Shrikanth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] X and Mouse related problem


 Hi Derek,

 I have tried all that you have suggested but the situation remains same.

 Here is the /proc/interupts output

 cat /proc/interrupts

 CPU0
0: 449087  XT-PIC  timer
1:   5108  XT-PIC  keyboard
2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
8:  1  XT-PIC  rtc
9:   4621  XT-PIC  eth0
   12:116  XT-PIC  PS/2 Mouse
   14:  21061  XT-PIC  ide0
   15:  3  XT-PIC  ide1
 NMI:  0
 LOC:  0
 ERR:  0
 MIS:  0

 I am quite desperate to get this fixed.

 Thanks in advance,
 Balajee


 At 10:07 AM 13/05/02 +0100, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Monday 13 May 2002 9:23 am, Balajee Shrikanth wrote:
   I have a Pentium II 450 MHz machine with 512 MB RAM and 40 GB
Harddisk. It
   has a AGP Riva TNT2 32MB Display Card,
   US Standard Keyboard and a 2 Button PS/2 Mouse.
  
   X Version -
  
   XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System
   (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
   Release Date: 23 January 2002
  
  
   I have installed Mandrake 8.2 from the CD and during installation the
mouse
   works perfectly fine during installation process. Once the
   installation is complete and when I startx from command prompt, the
system
   freezes when I move the mouse. At that point
   the keyboard is also locked and i am not able to even do a numlock or
a
   caps lock.
  
   If I start X and ensure that the mouse is not touched, I am able to
   navigate with the keyboard. If I use the mouse, the system freezes.
  
   I suspected problem with mouse and I have tested with another one. I
   suspected problem with distribution - so tried RH7.2 and
   ASPLinux7.2. Both are similar - mouse works fine during installation
(From
   ISO CDs) and once I startx after logging in, the system
   freezes. If it is a hardware problem, then my reasoning is that the
mouse
   should not work during installation as well.
  
   I have tried it with gpm enabled and disabled. I have tried different
types
   of mouse including wheel mouse. I have tried all
   combination in mouseconfig and Xconfigurator. I am not able to see any
   error in the XFree86 log found in /var/log.
  
   I have tried KDE, GNOME, ICEWM - all have the same problem.
  
   Can any one give me an idea of what could be wrong? I  have been
grappling
   with this problem for last 2 weeks and searches
   in google/user groups dont help me much.
  
   Thank you,
  
   Kind Regards,
   Balajee Shrikanth
 
 Assuming you have already tried selecting a basic 2 button mouse, then my
 next guess would be an IRQ conflict.
 Try going to a console (Ctr+Alt+F2) log on and take a look at the
interrupts
 
 'more /proc/interrupts'  (without the quotes)
 
 You can then play with your BIOS to try to reassign interrupts. Moving
cards
 to different slots can sometimes help too.
 
 HTH
 
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RE: [newbie] Suspicious ~/.procmailrc file ?

2002-05-15 Thread Louis Dallara


hi;
It appears to be something on my system..
I'll check it out..
Lou

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Suspicious ~/.procmailrc file ?


Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote:
 Does anyone know what could be the reason for this msg?

What is the message?

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Re: [newbie] need help with Mandrake crashing problem

2002-05-15 Thread Stormjumper

hi Robin,

can i check the version numbers of the following components?
1. kernel
2. xfree
3. any other you think may be helpful.
- Original Message -
From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] need help with Mandrake crashing problem

 Yay, got a sort of 8.2 running!

 Turned out it was the new kernel my system didn't like.  What I found
 worked in the end was:

 1.  Boot from 8.2 disk (expert mode)
 2.  Select upgrade packages only
 3.  Boot with old-linux (i.e. the old kernel)

 In fact I only upgraded the packages I needed - you can use the
 installation disks as a kind of super Software Manager.

 Sir Robin

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[newbie] Winex Supported Games

2002-05-15 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 06:41, Rhosan wrote:
Does any Blizzard game work through Winex, and if so, how do I
access/use it?

Does the phrase Hell Yeah !! have any meaning for you? ;)

Well, right now, as an example, I've got Winex 2.0 installed and as a
result I can run Diablo 2, with the expansion pack, with the latest Lord
of Destruction patch, and with a CD crack. How's that?

Also I've gotten Baldur's Gate 2 to work very well. If you are really
curious, you should subscribe to Transgaming Winex and get an RPM copy
of 2.0 downloaded.

http://www.transgaming.com/subscriber_benefits.php

Here's a list of games:

http://www.transgaming.com/dogamesearch.php?keywords=search=Searchworking=2order=workingshowall=1

The games are listed in working order, and the scale is from 0 to 5. I
cut this list off at 2, so you will not see any games listed in this
search that have a rating lower than that. This does not mean that you
can't pull the full list and get one of those games rated lower than 2
working; it just means that I wanted to give you more of a good thing.

Usage example:

1) Mount CD

2) [elx@tamriel elx]$ winex /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe

***install game

3) [elx@tamriel elx]$ winex TransGaming_Drive/Program\
Files/Diablo2/Diablo\ II.exe

4) Play game, save world, kill evil bastards

;)

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Re: Re: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows

2002-05-15 Thread Jim Dawson

How appropriate. I clicked on the link and a pop-up appears asking me to install 
Flash. Didn't I read about there being possible spyware in Flash the other day?

-Original Message-
From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:43:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows

Michael Adams wrote:

 Check this out

 http://www.coolspyproducts.com/ispynow/?code=myo0510

 Michael

I hate those products with such a passion... they make me think 1984
was being optimistic. :(
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RE: [newbie] Noisy Processor Fans

2002-05-15 Thread Philip Crowe


Try www.akasa.com.tw (the pax.mate option on the left menu).

I just got some, a bit tricky to install but well worth it.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 May 2002 12:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Noisy Processor Fans



FWIW i know ppl have taken the stuff you line cars with *some sort of 
foam rubber*  sealed the inside of their cases with that to reduce 
noise quite a bit.


It's called Dynamat it is a sound deadening material.  It is rather good
too..  I have never tried it on a computer case, but I read an article
on one of the overclocking websites about it.  I have seen it in a lot
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[newbie] Test message .. are these getting through ok?

2002-05-15 Thread Terry S.


Just a test message everyone .. seems I've been having problems sending
messages to here on this email server, and wanted to see if anyone
really was getting them.

Thanks, and carry on!

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Re: [newbie] Need Quick Linux = Windows Integration advice


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 09:23, Tommy Eaton opened a general hailing 
frequency and transmitted to all open stations:

 installing it on one workstation so this is a fairly small (?) project. 
 I will need the workstation to be able to access windows shares from an
 NT 40 server, work on Office docs,

samba and open office are your friends.  komba2 is pretty good as well

 surf the web, run proprietary
 software,

like what software?

 and receive email from a Microsoft Post Office or Exchange 5.5
 server.

evolution will be your friend here.

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[newbie] Disappearing Kmail sent-mail

2002-05-15 Thread Josef Lowder


Just had several email messages disappear which I had been saving in my 
Kmail sent-mail folder, and I cannot imagine what happened.  I did not 
delete them.  They were there just a few minutes ago.  Then I sent two new 
messages and all the previous messages I had been saving vanished. 

I am using Mandrake 8.1 (for about a month) and have had no previous 
problems; have not shut down or rebooted for a couple of days.  Any opinions 
what might have happened? 

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[newbie] Wher did the Opera go??

2002-05-15 Thread Birger




Hi i just unpacked Opera 6.0 browser.RPM format
In mandrake 8.2 KDE.
I just cant seem find it anywhere (it did unpack successfully

I'm very newbie

thanks
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Re: [newbie] Partition Check Hangs


Serkan Barut wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I have Mandrake Linux 8.2 bluebird-i586 20020317 12:00 which is the downloadeble 
version,i guess.When i boot from the cd to install with the default kernel 2.4.18 the 
machine hangs at the partition check process.I waited a long time,more than 20 
minutes and did not see any message.I played with my bios settings but that changed 
nothing.Up to now i installed other distros including slackware 8,redhat 7.1 and did 
not have any problem of this kind.There is the alt1 and alt2 with which i booted 
safely and at last saw the installation screen but this time my mouse and keyboard 
was not working(i have a logitech pilot optical connected to usb probably causing 
this problem).I have two Quantum ide hds.I have Windows98 on hda.
 If anyone can help i would be pleased,thanks.
 

If you have a PS2 adapter for that mouse  Keyboard, boot using it.  I
have a problem where if I boot from CD and try to get anything my
mouse/KB dont' work. :\

Had to install with PS2 devices instead *using said adapters*.  Try that
first then re-post if it fails.
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Re: [newbie] LM 8.2 shutdown problem


Cyril Vassilchenko wrote:
 
 Dear Femme!
 In mail list from mandrake-newbies I read that you did not use MS
 products? Why, senorita? I use both. e.g. on my computer ALTLinux Junior
 and WinXP HE are installed. ALTLinux Junior is a Mandrake-based distro,
 especially oriented for Russian users, which has improved implementation
 of Cyrillic.
 Sincerely with the best wishes
 


Sweety you read wrong.  I use both Win2k  Linux happily side by side. 
I dualboot  am enjoying both :)

what I said *Likely* was that I Don't like M$ products much.  The more I
use them the more bloated they feel  the more well... crash-prone I
find them to be.  So I'm trying *with some success* to convert more to
Linux for everyday stuff.  Unfortunately I don't have the time to do so
in a manner in which I Can spend several hours a day playing with MDK.
*sigh*

HTH Love !

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We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux.  I've always liked that
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RE: [newbie] - inetd.conf file?

2002-05-15 Thread Schwenk, Jeanie


Thanks to everyone for their help.  Installed the xinetd rpm and everything
is working fine now.

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Re: [newbie] /Net unmount at shutdown failing 8.2MDK


Miark wrote:
 
  Third If you really have to kill the system do it the correct way
  Alt+Sysreq+R
  Alt+Sysreq+E
  Alt+Sysreq+S
  Alt+Sysreq+B
 
 Damn--I never even saw that key on my keyboard
 before today! How sad is _that_?!
 
 Miark
 

FWIW IBM admitted long ago that key is useless...and never did serve its
intended function.  I find it highly ironic that Linux uses it... Thus
was surprised to learn the same thing Miark.
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Re: [newbie] system hang


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 10:31, Norman Zhang opened a general hailing 
frequency and transmitted to all open stations:

 LM 8.2 sometimes hang without any signs. The hard disk stop responding,
 keyboards dies, but the mouse can still move. I need to give my machine a
 power cycle. Which logs do I go through to obtain more information on the
 cause?

i can't tell you about logs, but i might have a cause.  are you running 
kde3?  if so do you have keramic as your style?  this happened a lot with 
me using keramic, but no trouble with other styles.

oops, there is that sig again

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 10:43, Lyvim Xaphir opened a general hailing 
frequency and transmitted to all open stations:

 On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 06:41, Rhosan wrote:
  Does any Blizzard game work through Winex, and if so, how do I
  access/use it?

 Does the phrase Hell Yeah !! have any meaning for you?  ;)

 Well, right now, as an example, I've got Winex 2.0 installed and as a
 result I can run Diablo 2, with the expansion pack, with the latest Lord
 of Destruction patch, and with a CD crack.  How's that?

halflife (not a blizzard game though) starcraft,  diablo all run 
better/faster/with more stability for me under winex than they did under 
win2k.

welcome to linux

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windows.

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[newbie] USB rodent and keyboard install

2002-05-15 Thread Nick Baker


Re probs w/ usb mouse.keyboard during install:
IIRC, there is a bios setting, legacy usb, y/n or something like that. You 
need to set that to yes for the usb stuff to be recognized during install.

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Re: [newbie] Test message .. are these getting through ok?

2002-05-15 Thread Kaj Haulrich


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 08:10 pm, Terry S. wrote:
 Just a test message everyone .. seems I've been having problems sending
 messages to here on this email server, and wanted to see if anyone
 really was getting them.

 Thanks, and carry on!

 Terry

Read you loud and clear, Terry.

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Re: [newbie] Wher did the Opera go??


On 15 May 2002 20:39:22 -0400
Birger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Hi i just unpacked Opera 6.0 browser.RPM format
 In mandrake 8.2 KDE.
 I just cant seem find it anywhere (it did unpack successfully
 
 I'm very newbie
 
 thanks
 Birger
 
 
 

uhm.. well, what do you mean 'unpack'?
an RPM file is an installer... so if you did
everything the way it should, then Opera is already
installed on you computer. try opening a Konsole 
and typing :

opera

it should get the browser started. anyway post back as 
needed.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] - inetd.conf file?

2002-05-15 Thread Charlie


On May 15, 2002 12:54 pm, Schwenk, Jeanie wrote:
 Thanks to everyone for their help.  Installed the xinetd rpm and everything
 is working fine now.

 Jeanie
~
Happy to hear it!

Sorry about the signature tag, Fortune seems possessed sometimes. ;-) 
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embarrassing manner. (2) Cause thou the switch that supplieth large 
quantities of juice to be opened and thusly tagged, that thy days may be long 
in this earthly vale of tears. (3) Prove to thyself that all circuits that 
radiateth, and upon which the worketh, are grounded and thusly tagged lest 
they lift thee to a radio frequency potential and causeth thee to make like a 
radiator too. (4) Tarry thou not amongst these fools that engage in 
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Re: [newbie] Wher did the Opera go??


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 17:39, Birger opened a general hailing frequency 
and transmitted to all open stations:

 Hi i just unpacked Opera 6.0 browser.RPM format
 In mandrake 8.2 KDE.
 I just cant seem find it anywhere (it did unpack successfully

i am a big meany.  find it yourself.  :P

try opening software manager, and looking under installed packages for 
opera.  then try the files tab.  should tell you were it all goes.  you can 
also search for opera from say for example the knoq file managers tools 
 find.  there are probably a hundred other ways to find what you are 
seeking, and i am sure others will tell you about them.  :)

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Re: [newbie] Wher did the Opera go??

2002-05-15 Thread Birger


haha thank you meany shane
i did the search and i found it


me fellin stupid now
:)


On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 15:29, shane wrote:
 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 17:39, Birger opened a general hailing frequency 
 and transmitted to all open stations:
 
  Hi i just unpacked Opera 6.0 browser.RPM format
  In mandrake 8.2 KDE.
  I just cant seem find it anywhere (it did unpack successfully
 
 i am a big meany.  find it yourself.  :P
 
 try opening software manager, and looking under installed packages for 
 opera.  then try the files tab.  should tell you were it all goes.  you can 
 also search for opera from say for example the knoq file managers tools 
  find.  there are probably a hundred other ways to find what you are 
 seeking, and i am sure others will tell you about them.  :)
 
 -- 
 He who laughs, lasts.
 
 shane
 Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html
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RE: [newbie] tulip driver

2002-05-15 Thread Louis Dallara


Helpp
I need to get my nic card working..
The driver that comes with 8.2 doesn't work with the
linksys  pccard bus pcmcia nic.
How card i get the config for this nic and drivers..
help
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Re: [newbie] Wher did the Opera go??

2002-05-15 Thread Kaj Haulrich


On Thursday 16 May 2002 02:39 am, Birger wrote:
 Hi i just unpacked Opera 6.0 browser.RPM format
 In mandrake 8.2 KDE.
 I just cant seem find it anywhere (it did unpack successfully

 I'm very newbie

 thanks
 Birger

Well Birger, although I've not downloaded Opera 6 (yet) I have some 
experience with the release-candidate (RC2).  By default it installs into 
/opt/opera. Normally you'll find the executable in /usr/bin/opera, but I 
remember something about the final version 6 being statically linked, so 
maybe it's in /opt/opera/bin if that directory exists.

First, simply try this : open a terminal and issue the command : opera
to see if it's really there and workable.

Then, you must find where the executable is : again, in the terminal, become 
root by typing su (without the quotes) and give your root-password.
Type : updatedb - and wait until the prompt reappears. Now, type locate 
opera. This should generate a lot of output, too fast to read. By now, 
you'll learn a quite useful trick : Type : locate opera | less. This will 
pipe the output into a program called less. There you can use the 
arrow-keys to scroll the output from locate. Look for something like 
something/bin/opera. That's probably the executable's living-room. Take a 
note.Quit less by typing q. Close the terminal by typing exit twice.

Now you know where the executable is. But you'll probably want an easier 
acces to opera, won't you ?

Why not create an icon on your desktop ? - To do so (in KDE), right-click an 
empty place on the desktop and choose create -- link to application. Then, 
fill in the various fields, especially the URL- one, where you type the 
location of the executable (you took a note, eh...?).

That's all. Hope you ascended a few steps up the (steep) linux-slope !

If it doesn't work, repost to the list, we'll guide you on from here.

Kaj Haulrich
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Re: [newbie] Opera

2002-05-15 Thread s


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 09:19 am, Rich wrote:
 Opera is my favorite browser, but since installing Mandrake 8.2, it
 won't work.  I downloaded the latest version of Opera 6.0, but still no
 luck.  It opens and then freezes while trying to contact the home page.

 Any ideas?

 Rich

Well, mine did that since about opera's beta (or rc) 2.  Found out that 
checking Synchronous DNS in preferences  network fixed mine.

hth,
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Re: [newbie] Suspicious ~/.procmailrc file ?

2002-05-15 Thread Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas


On Wed, 15 May 2002, Randy Kramer wrote:

Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote:
 Does anyone know what could be the reason for this msg?
What is the message?

This one from /var/log/mail/errors/:
May 15 17:12:28 home procmail[10462]: Suspicious rcfile /home/ricardo/.procmailrc

I think I was TOO short on the subject;-) sorry!

Randy Kramer

But I've already got the reason! Wrong Permission on the /home/ricardo!
It should be 100600 and for some reason I've changed it to 100644! And
that was enough to mess up my procmail filters! :-(

Ricardo Castanho


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[newbie] ASUS A7N266-VM

2002-05-15 Thread civileme


Well, I had to btreak down and get something that would give me a little 
experience supporting NVidia installs.

As you know, NVidia keeps their 3d drivers secret and proprietary, which 
means those drivers don't get on the download edition, and since the 
driver's wrapper has to be recompiled for each new kernel, it is 
difficult to make the commercial offering work properly--since linux 
distros don't have the source, the installation is always non-trivial.

After looking around, I decided to build something that could dual-boot 
for testing purposes and also fit in a small case with a CDRW/DVD as the 
only 5.25 drive, so I chose the ASUS A7N266-VM

Hmmm,

DDR RAM only...  no problem

Driver CD has no linux drivers which I found pretty much par for the course.

Driver CD has NO DRIVERS FOR winNT, Win2K, or WinXP, and the manual says 
the graphics _won't_ work with them!!!

Mandrake 8.2 is running using the XFree drivers, and I will soon (this 
weekend) be taking the plunge tfor the binary only drivers (You can bet 
this computer gets its very own DMZ on my LAN; I absolutely do not trust 
binary-only proggies that can rub shoulders with the kernel.)

Now we have the largest selling board maker producing for the 
inexpensive computer market a single integrated board, very new and 
about half the price of previous NForce boards, and it tops out at WinME 
or Win98SE  

Does ASUS know or _very_ strongly suspect something we don't?  

It seems a high-production item like this would be a huge gamble unless 
their inside information says a great deal about future OS usage 
patterns, or they think someone's bubble is about to burst, or implode.

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Re: [newbie] Video again

2002-05-15 Thread James R. McKenzie

Someone has waayyy to much free time.8-{
- Original Message -
From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:59 AM
Subject: [newbie] Video again

 Has any one here had any success getting Mandrake to download from a
 camcorder via USB?

 Sir Robin

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 IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi
 Ankara 06533
 Turkey

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RE: [newbie] ASUS A7N266-VM

2002-05-15 Thread Mark Annandale


I have the ASUS A7N266-E motherboard. Is this the same spec as yours,
with everything being Nvidia dependant.
If So I would be very keen to find out how it goes, especially the
GeoForce 2 onboard graphics, should you also have this.

Regards
Mark A

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of civileme
Sent: 15 May 2002 21:11
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] ASUS A7N266-VM

Well, I had to btreak down and get something that would give me a little

experience supporting NVidia installs.

As you know, NVidia keeps their 3d drivers secret and proprietary, which

means those drivers don't get on the download edition, and since the 
driver's wrapper has to be recompiled for each new kernel, it is 
difficult to make the commercial offering work properly--since linux 
distros don't have the source, the installation is always non-trivial.

After looking around, I decided to build something that could dual-boot 
for testing purposes and also fit in a small case with a CDRW/DVD as the

only 5.25 drive, so I chose the ASUS A7N266-VM

Hmmm,

DDR RAM only...  no problem

Driver CD has no linux drivers which I found pretty much par for the
course.

Driver CD has NO DRIVERS FOR winNT, Win2K, or WinXP, and the manual says

the graphics _won't_ work with them!!!

Mandrake 8.2 is running using the XFree drivers, and I will soon (this 
weekend) be taking the plunge tfor the binary only drivers (You can bet 
this computer gets its very own DMZ on my LAN; I absolutely do not trust

binary-only proggies that can rub shoulders with the kernel.)

Now we have the largest selling board maker producing for the 
inexpensive computer market a single integrated board, very new and 
about half the price of previous NForce boards, and it tops out at WinME

or Win98SE  

Does ASUS know or _very_ strongly suspect something we don't?  

It seems a high-production item like this would be a huge gamble unless 
their inside information says a great deal about future OS usage 
patterns, or they think someone's bubble is about to burst, or implode.

Civileme







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Re: [newbie] Opera

2002-05-15 Thread Rich


On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 16:20, s wrote:
 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 09:19 am, Rich wrote:
  Opera is my favorite browser, but since installing Mandrake 8.2, it
  won't work.  I downloaded the latest version of Opera 6.0, but still no
  luck.  It opens and then freezes while trying to contact the home page.
 
  Any ideas?
 
  Rich
 
 Well, mine did that since about opera's beta (or rc) 2.  Found out that 
 checking Synchronous DNS in preferences  network fixed mine.

Hey, that worked for me too, thanks.
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Re: [newbie] Can't Boot Linux

2002-05-15 Thread H.J.Bathoorn


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 18:38, you wrote:
 On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:47:52 -0700

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I can no longer boot into Linux, and I need to get files from my Mandrake
  drive.
 
  I have a dual boot system with Windows 98 on hard drive 1, and Mandrake
  8.1 on Hard Drive 2. I had to reinstall Windows, and can no longer get
  the Mandrake screen which prompts for the partition to boot.
 
  I have a Linux boot floppy which didn't seem to help. It may not have
  been created from the latest Mandrake install.
 
  How can I get access to my files which are on the Mandrake drive?
 
  Thanks.

 boot your installation CD.  skip averything up to the boot loader part,
 reinstall LILO and you are back in busines..

 HTH

 Damian

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Re: [newbie] Video again

2002-05-15 Thread Roger Sherman


On 15 May 2002, Nicolas VERITE wrote:

 Le mer 15/05/2002 à 10:59, Robin Turner a écrit :
  Has any one here had any success getting Mandrake to download from a 
  camcorder via USB?
  
  Sir Robin
 
 With or without Mandrake, you can't up/download
 moving pictures (vidéo) from/to a camcorder via USB.
 
 You must use Firewire/iLink/IEEE1394.

Is that the only way to get video onto your harddrive? Or could you 
connect the vid camera (I have a vid card with a whole mess of inputs, 
with a built in tv tuner card) and just play it, and simultaneosly record 
it onto the hard drive? I do that with audio, and was kind of hoping I 
could do it with video as well, since I don't have a camcorder with a 
firewire port.



 
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Re: [newbie] Can't Boot Linux

2002-05-15 Thread Randy Donohoe

The Linuxcare cd will let you mount just about anything.
Randy Donohoe
- Original Message -
From: H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't Boot Linux

 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 18:38, you wrote:
  On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:47:52 -0700

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I can no longer boot into Linux, and I need to get files from my
Mandrake
   drive.

   I have a dual boot system with Windows 98 on hard drive 1, and
Mandrake
   8.1 on Hard Drive 2. I had to reinstall Windows, and can no longer
get
   the Mandrake screen which prompts for the partition to boot.

   I have a Linux boot floppy which didn't seem to help. It may not
have
   been created from the latest Mandrake install.

   How can I get access to my files which are on the Mandrake drive?

   Thanks.

  boot your installation CD.  skip averything up to the boot loader
part,
  reinstall LILO and you are back in busines..

  HTH

  Damian

 And/or if you know which partition your '/' is on, use a Slackware or
Debian
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Re: [newbie] KSplashML

2002-05-15 Thread skinky


On Thu, 16 May 2002 04:55, Brian Koppe wrote:
 I'm trying to get KSplashML running, but I couldn't install the packages
 off of my D's - a dependency on kdebase2.2.2 - I'm running KDE3.  I
 searched in the KDE RPMs and could not find one for KSplashML - am I
 correct in assuming it's just not available as of yet, or does someone
 know of a way it works?

 Thanks
 Brian


The cooker package kde3-ksplashml-0.93.1-2mdk.i586.rpm is available from 
ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2/
but I don't know if will work with the version of KDE3 you are using.  It 
works here but I'm using Mandrake cooker (8.3).

In any case, it is in the subdirectory RPMS2 on mirror sites.

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[newbie] Flash + Konqueror revisited...

2002-05-15 Thread Brian Koppe


I installed Flash in Konqueror - and it works!  But Konqueror freezes 
every time I visit a page with it now :(  Any suggestions?

Thanks!
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Re: [newbie] Wher did the Opera go??


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 18:37, Birger opened a general hailing frequency 
and transmitted to all open stations:

 haha thank you meany shane
 i did the search and i found it

yeah i used to do tech support/admin/teach computer in K-6 (don't get 
impressed, computer tech to K-6 schools here is like saying i have opened 
the case and installed a card  you get a job!) and the kids would say 
where is foo?  how do i get to bar? and i would always say, your 
teacher, shane the meany, will not tell you.  where do think you could ifnd 
out for yourself?

now that you have all heard that i will never get support here again, 
will i? 

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games


shane wrote:
 
 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 10:43, Lyvim Xaphir opened a general hailing
 frequency and transmitted to all open stations:
 
  On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 06:41, Rhosan wrote:
   Does any Blizzard game work through Winex, and if so, how do I
   access/use it?
 
  Does the phrase Hell Yeah !! have any meaning for you?  ;)
 
  Well, right now, as an example, I've got Winex 2.0 installed and as a
  result I can run Diablo 2, with the expansion pack, with the latest Lord
  of Destruction patch, and with a CD crack.  How's that?
 
 halflife (not a blizzard game though) starcraft,  diablo all run
 better/faster/with more stability for me under winex than they did under
 win2k.
 
 welcome to linux
 


So, Captain Obvious... explain why I get a 20fps hit in Linux on Q3
demos? HMM?

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Re: [newbie] Video again

2002-05-15 Thread et


I have not tried in 8.2 (have not installed any TV software yet) but a tv 
capture card and a regular video cam gets better color and is quicker (just 
an impressoin YMMV) than any or Parrellport cam. as far as I remember from 
MDK7.2, video capture is supported under xawtv and Broadcast 2000 

On Wednesday 15 May 2002 06:23 pm, you wrote:
 On 15 May 2002, Nicolas VERITE wrote:
  Le mer 15/05/2002 à 10:59, Robin Turner a écrit :
   Has any one here had any success getting Mandrake to download from a
   camcorder via USB?
  
   Sir Robin
 
  With or without Mandrake, you can't up/download
  moving pictures (vidéo) from/to a camcorder via USB.
 
  You must use Firewire/iLink/IEEE1394.

 Is that the only way to get video onto your harddrive? Or could you
 connect the vid camera (I have a vid card with a whole mess of inputs,
 with a built in tv tuner card) and just play it, and simultaneosly record
 it onto the hard drive? I do that with audio, and was kind of hoping I
 could do it with video as well, since I don't have a camcorder with a
 firewire port.

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games

2002-05-15 Thread Miark


 So, Captain Obvious... explain why I get a 20fps hit in Linux on Q3
 demos? HMM?

Speaking of which, how does one measure this?

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[Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


Miark wrote:
 
 Sure--put it to the list.
 
 Miark
 
 On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 12:55, FemmeFatale wrote:
  Miark wrote:

 Miark
   
Remind me sometime to remove winblows K? :)  For now I enjoy the dual
boot but if things keep going this way I'm gonna just give up.
   
Btw, explain why something like that wouldn't work on Linux?
  
   I don't think it's as easy to hide processes in Linux as it is in
   Winsux. That is, I think it may be easy to hide items from Task
   Manager, but I don't think it's nearly as easy to hide things
   from ps, top, and the like.
  
   'Course, I could be dead wrong.
  
   Miark
 
  Hm... question for hte list you think?  Thx for the food for thought.
  --
  Femme

OK anyone got an answer to the above Question Miark  I were tossing
around on that windows product that spies on you?

-- 
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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games


Miark wrote:
 
  So, Captain Obvious... explain why I get a 20fps hit in Linux on Q3
  demos? HMM?
 
 Speaking of which, how does one measure this?
 
 Miark

Open q3 game, play  it... hit the ~ button.  type exactly:

\r_swapinterval 0
\time_demo 1
\demo demo1

quake 3 also has tab complete in case I screwed that up.  When the demo
is done, just pull down the console again * the ~ button *,  it shows
you your FPS *Frames per second*

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games

2002-05-15 Thread darklord


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:25 pm, you wrote:

 So, Captain Obvious... explain why I get a 20fps hit in Linux on Q3
 demos? HMM?

Thats odd - I do get much better than that here. Whats your hardware setup?

I'm running:

AMD Thunderbird Athlon 900mhz
Geforce 2 Titanium 64 meg video card
SB X-gamer Live sound card
60 gig IBM Deskstar IDE hard drive (7200rpm)
384 megs Ram

Most games seem better under Linux. It might be totally subjective, because 
I've not really measured but...I know that under Winex 2.0 and Diablo2, the 
between scenes loading times are much quicker under Linux.

Every other games seems just as fast or faster:

Q3
UT
SOF
Rune
Tribes2
Starcraft
Jedi Knight2

Just my 2 cents worth... grin

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Re: [newbie] Theme design

2002-05-15 Thread daRcmaTTeR


On Wed, 15 May 2002, Jay wrote:

 Does anyone know of a good site that provides a How to for designing a
 theme in Gnome or KDE.
 

Jay,

you might give http://kde.themes.org a look-see. as I remember they've got 
a lof to stuff there to take care of that.

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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


On Wednesday 15 May 2002 16:36, FemmeFatale opened a general hailing 
frequency and transmitted to all open stations:

 OK anyone got an answer to the above Question Miark  I were tossing
 around on that windows product that spies on you?

for one thingthe program in the original post installed by emailing it to 
the machine you want to track.  ie user opens mail in outlook, is infected.  
try that in linux.  user opens mail in (fill in the blank) sees suspicious 
attachment, saves to file su to root, install (assume it is an rpm for 
simplification) start service.

yeah, right.

having said that, no OS is safe.  some are just less safe than others.

ah the random sig file.

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security flaws in computer software from the [National Security Agency] out 
of fear that revealing such flaws would reduce the number of copies of its 
products that would be purchased by the government... I have raised this 
issue internally with Microsoft, and in return have been the subject of 
both bribes and threats.  -ED CURRY, Computer Security Specialist, in a 
letter to Defense Secretary William Coen

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Re: [newbie] - inetd.conf file?

2002-05-15 Thread John McQuillen


 
 Sorry about the signature tag, Fortune seems possessed sometimes. ;-) 
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If you want to tame fortune for sig purposes, use 'fortune -s' to
request a short fortune!

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games

2002-05-15 Thread JW


Edit the file q3config.cfg with a text editor. It can be found in the 
baseq3 directory where you installed q3. Find the line that says:

seta cg_drawFPS 0

and change that to:

seta cg_drawFPS 1

Now q3 will always display the FPS when you start a new game.


On Thursday 16 May 2002 03:07, Miark wrote:
 Ditto. What next, Femme?

 miark

 On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 17:58, darklord wrote:
  Hmm, nothing seems to happen here I've got a demos section from the
  main menu. It says no demos found
 
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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:06:05 -0400
et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:36 pm, you wrote:
  Miark wrote:
   Sure--put it to the list.
  
   Miark
  
   On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 12:55, FemmeFatale wrote:
Miark wrote:
   Miark
 
  Remind me sometime to remove winblows K? :)  For now I enjoy the
  dual boot but if things keep going this way I'm gonna just give up.
 
  Btw, explain why something like that wouldn't work on Linux?

 I don't think it's as easy to hide processes in Linux as it is in
 Winsux. That is, I think it may be easy to hide items from Task
 Manager, but I don't think it's nearly as easy to hide things
 from ps, top, and the like.

 'Course, I could be dead wrong.

 Miark
   
Hm... question for hte list you think?  Thx for the food for thought.
--
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  OK anyone got an answer to the above Question Miark  I were tossing
  around on that windows product that spies on you?
 this is what the open in open source is all about... the source is open to 
 see what is up.
 


actually it's easy to hide processes from the task manager in win98, win98, 98SE or 
Millenium,
( in fact i know how it's done ) but AFAIK it's impossible on any kind on NT. ( 
including XP )

however, i think it's possible to set a 'system' attribute to a process so the task 
manager 
doesn't let you kill it. ( so, you can see the process but can't do sh** to stop it. 
hehehe )

uhmm.. and of course in linux all processes can be listed and there is no process that 
root cannot kill...


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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


On Wed, 15 May 2002 17:25:48 -0700
Schwenk, Jeanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes one can write a program that runs invisibly on unix.  If you know what
 you're doing.  How do you think so many hackers can be successful?  Regular
 commands like ps, find or ls can be modified.  Daemons can be hacked to send
 messages to the outside.  Some malware just runs and simply phones home
 when it finds something interesting.  No system is safe.  That said, linux
 is still safer than windows.  If linux becomes popular in the corporate
 world, there will be a demand from the PHBs for spyware they can buy to keep
 an eye on us.
 
 Jeanie
 

uhmm.. yeah you can modify te commands not to show something, but i don't
think there is a way you can program an application that doesn't show
on the list ( i mean without touching the system... and anyway you have
to get root access to do that ), and a program that is started with 'user' 
privileges cannot hide itself from a list of processes, at least someone
found out something new that i didn't know about..

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Re: [newbie] Partition Check Hangs

2002-05-15 Thread Serkan Barut


Well thanks for your answer first.I connected my mouse through the ps/2 port via 
adapter so there was no device left on the usb(keyboard is ps/2),but it still can't 
pass partition check so it seems it is not related with usb.My mainboard is Abit BX6 
rev 2.I never thought that i would have a problem at this stage.I thought that my 
mouse could be a problem during the install but could never have imagined something 
like this.Well with other distros partition check was no problem,i am really confused 
and it seems that there is nothing i can do except using a 2.2.x series kernel during 
install.Some other guy asked me about my filesystem but it just doesn't make 
sense,-who knows?


- Original Message - 
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Serkan Barut [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 17:48
Subject: Re: [newbie] Partition Check Hangs


 I have had a similar problem on installing 8.2 on my Asus K7V motherboard.
 I resolved it as being down to the usb controller. If I disabled USB during 
 the Mandrake install it would go through the partition check process no 
 problem.
 I could then re-enable usb once the install was completed and then use 
 Mandrake Control Centre to install my usb devices.
 
 derek
 
 
 
 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 1:22 pm, Serkan Barut wrote:
  Hi,
  I have Mandrake Linux 8.2 bluebird-i586 20020317 12:00 which is the
  downloadeble version,i guess.When i boot from the cd to install with the
  default kernel 2.4.18 the machine hangs at the partition check process.I
  waited a long time,more than 20 minutes and did not see any message.I
  played with my bios settings but that changed nothing.Up to now i installed
  other distros including slackware 8,redhat 7.1 and did not have any problem
  of this kind.There is the alt1 and alt2 with which i booted safely and at
  last saw the installation screen but this time my mouse and keyboard was
  not working(i have a logitech pilot optical connected to usb probably
  causing this problem).I have two Quantum ide hds.I have Windows98 on hda.
  If anyone can help i would be pleased,thanks.
 
 





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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]

2002-05-15 Thread Carroll Grigsby


Excuse me, but it seems to me that the only reply to this subject 
is Well, duhhh. 
(not the thread, though -- some interesting stuff there.)
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Re: [newbie] ASUS A7N266-VM

2002-05-15 Thread Lyvim Xaphir


On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 16:10, civileme wrote:

 Hmmm,
 
 DDR RAM only...  no problem
 
 Driver CD has no linux drivers which I found pretty much par for the course.
 
 Driver CD has NO DRIVERS FOR winNT, Win2K, or WinXP, and the manual says 
 the graphics _won't_ work with them!!!
 
 Mandrake 8.2 is running using the XFree drivers, and I will soon (this 
 weekend) be taking the plunge tfor the binary only drivers (You can bet 
 this computer gets its very own DMZ on my LAN; I absolutely do not trust 
 binary-only proggies that can rub shoulders with the kernel.)
 
 Now we have the largest selling board maker producing for the 
 inexpensive computer market a single integrated board, very new and 
 about half the price of previous NForce boards, and it tops out at WinME 
 or Win98SE  
 
 Does ASUS know or _very_ strongly suspect something we don't?  
 
 It seems a high-production item like this would be a huge gamble unless 
 their inside information says a great deal about future OS usage 
 patterns, or they think someone's bubble is about to burst, or implode.
 
 Civileme


VERY interesting. Yes indeed

If this goes where you are pointing, this is very encouraging news.  You
heard it here first, folks!!  ;)

Then again, when I think about it, maybe I need to make a very large
withdrawal

H...


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Re: [newbie] - inetd.conf file?

2002-05-15 Thread Charlie


On May 15, 2002 08:55 pm, John McQuillen wrote:
  Sorry about the signature tag, Fortune seems possessed sometimes. ;-)
  --

 If you want to tame fortune for sig purposes, use 'fortune -s' to
 request a short fortune!

 Regards,

 John...
~~
Thanks John! I like it.

Another day that included learning. I love this stuff.
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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games

2002-05-15 Thread D. Olson


I have a list of games that I *personally* have tested in WineX.

Here is the HTML version of my spreadsheet:

http://mdkxp.by-a.com/winex/WineXGames.html

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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


On Thu, 16 May 2002 00:09:30 -0400
Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excuse me, but it seems to me that the only reply to this subject 
 is Well, duhhh. 
 (not the thread, though -- some interesting stuff there.)
 -- cmg
 
 

uhm.. don't quite follow, here... 'duhh' would be the answer to which question?

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Re: [newbie] ASUS A7N266-VM

2002-05-15 Thread Miark


 
 As you know, NVidia keeps their 3d drivers secret and proprietary...

Incidentally, I read somewhere recently that nVidia _wants_ to open
source their drivers, but they can't... wish I could remember why!

Miark




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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]

2002-05-15 Thread civileme


FemmeFatale wrote:

Miark wrote:

Sure--put it to the list.

Miark

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 12:55, FemmeFatale wrote:

Miark wrote:


Miark

Remind me sometime to remove winblows K? :)  For now I enjoy the dual
boot but if things keep going this way I'm gonna just give up.

Btw, explain why something like that wouldn't work on Linux?

I don't think it's as easy to hide processes in Linux as it is in
Winsux. That is, I think it may be easy to hide items from Task
Manager, but I don't think it's nearly as easy to hide things
from ps, top, and the like.

'Course, I could be dead wrong.

Miark

Hm... question for hte list you think?  Thx for the food for thought.
--
Femme


OK anyone got an answer to the above Question Miark  I were tossing
around on that windows product that spies on you?

Well, first of all, it has to be installed.  Either it gets started at 
boot by initscripts (privileged edit), by a cron job (listable and 
requiring at least a privileged edit) or someone has to start it. 
 Clearly the last option makes the use obvious.

It would remain detectable to ps, top, find, slocate, ls, etc unless 
these programs were modified specifically to ignore it (a rootkitting 
exercise to conceal an external crack).  In fact every binary that could 
list processes and might be called by any of the monitoring programs 
would have to be modified.

To store modified copies of binary executables in the standard execution 
paths, /bin /usr/bin /sbin and /usr/sbin ALL require write privileges to 
those directories and for those files.

[root@v5 tester]# ll /bin/ps
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root62424 Feb 27 05:31 /bin/ps*
[root@v5 tester]#
[root@v5 sbin]# ll /usr/bin/top
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root36504 Feb 27 05:31 /usr/bin/top*
[root@v5 sbin]#

OK it should be obvious that to conceal the spyware, you have to be root.

SO the question comes down to,

How does one sneak in a root-privileged program to spy on the users and 
to conceal its activites?

The hard-to-impossible answer is to use a remote access root exploit 
in the remarkably short time between discovery and patch (if the exploit 
isn't anticipated and fixed before announcement) which is OK for the 
casual blackhat cracker but not for the commercial exploiter who needs a 
reliable way of distributing his poison to satisfy his merchant clients.

The easy answer is to approach someon like MS and have the company use 
its muscle in offering a Special relationship  to one of the hardware 
vendors that makes attractive hardware and have a binding non-disclosed 
contract to install the spy and rootkit binary in its binary-only driver 
for linux.  In that way, linux is deposed as having better security, 
making MS happy; the merchants get their marketing data and are happy; 
the spyware producer gets paid and is happy; and the linux users do all 
the dirty work to themselves by installing binary-only drivers and are 
happy because their super hardware works fully fiunctionally under linux.

So, everyone is happy in this scenario, unless someone happens to 
restore /bin from a backup and gets a nasty surprise about a phone-home 
sitting in the kernel processes.

If you think it cannot happen...  Think again, and remember the stolen 
homework that became Excel, the plagiarized DOSes, the Nantes Commercial 
Court findings, the Ztore that was linux/Samba and was billed as secret 
and proprietary network storage devices

It happens all the time.  The question is not _if_ but _When_ and _Who_.

As long as users buy hardware and accept binary-only drivers, linux is 
as vulnerable to the installation of spyware as any other system.  Most 
likely it will be a winmodem driver, but it coud be a video card or it 
may already have been a  high-level sound card.

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games


darklord wrote:
 
 On Wednesday 15 May 2002 07:43 pm, you wrote:
 
  Open q3 game, play  it... hit the ~ button.  type exactly:
 
  \r_swapinterval 0
  \time_demo 1
  \demo demo1
 
  quake 3 also has tab complete in case I screwed that up.  When the demo
  is done, just pull down the console again * the ~ button *,  it shows
  you your FPS *Frames per second*
 
 Hmm, nothing seems to happen here I've got a demos section from the main
 menu. It says no demos found
 
 --
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DarkLord
   \/


you want to type:

/demo demo1
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Re: [Fwd: [newbie] Glad i don't surf with Windows]


et wrote:
 


 I don't think it's as easy to hide processes in Linux as it is in
 Winsux. That is, I think it may be easy to hide items from Task
 Manager, but I don't think it's nearly as easy to hide things
 from ps, top, and the like.

 'Course, I could be dead wrong.

 Miark
   
Hm... question for hte list you think?  Thx for the food for thought.
--
Femme
 
  OK anyone got an answer to the above Question Miark  I were tossing
  around on that windows product that spies on you?
 this is what the open in open source is all about... the source is open to
 see what is up.
 

I meant why wouldn't it work on linux? or would it?? Permissions
problem?
-- 
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Good Decisions You boss Made:

We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux.  I've always liked that
character from Peanuts.

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Re: [newbie] Winex Supported Games