Re: [newbie-it] SchedaGrafica
Alle 18:13, sabato 29 marzo 2003, Emiliano La Licata ha scritto: Chiedo se c'è un modo per settare da consolle il server X in modo che scavalchi la scheda grafica e si appoggi alla modalità testo che invece funziona benissimo... Oppure esiste un quanche altro modo per affontare il problema?? Grazie a tutti Non basterebbe cambiare l'inittab, portandolo da 5 a 3? In questo modo dovresti entrare direttamente in modalità testo. O non ho capito esattamente la domanda? Vale. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## Fair is foul, and foul is fair -
Re: [newbie-it] SchedaGrafica
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:13:42 +0100 Emiliano La Licata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Chiedo se c'è un modo per settare da consolle il server X in modo che scavalchi la scheda grafica e si appoggi alla modalità testo che invece funziona benissimo... Oppure esiste un quanche altro modo per affontare il problema?? Grazie a tutti Vuoi partire direttamente in modalità console, senza interfaccia grafica? Niente di più semplice: apri il file /etc/inittab, la prima riga non di commento dovrebbe essere id:5:initdefault: sostituisci il 5 (modalità X11) con un 2 o un 3, vedi commenti nelle righe precedenti. Il 3 va sicuramente bene, nella RedHat che ho di fronte il 2 (= 3 senza NFS) sembra vada meglio per un PC non inserito in una rete Unix. Bisogna controllare che anche in Mandrake il 2 abbia lo stesso significato. ciao, andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Installazione KDE 3.1
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:00:56 +0100 Gaetano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Un saluto a tutti, vorrei installare il KDE v.3.1 trovato su un cd allegato a Linux Magazine (ottima rivista) aprendo la cartella KDE_3.1 ho trovato vari pacchetti relativi a questo ambiente, (kdebase-3.1, che penso sia quella principale, kdeutils-3.1, ecc. ovviamente tutti con estensione .tar.bz2)! La domanda che vi faccio è semplice, adesso per installarli devo installare pacchetto x pacchetto vero? o c'è un'operazione che comprende l'installazione generale? (mi sa di no!) (sarà la mia prima installazione che farò ma con la documentazione che ho penso di riuscirci, magari vi faccio sapere) A parte il fatto che ci sono già Kde-3.1.1 e Mandrake-9.1 che comprende Kde-3.1+ (ossia la 3.1 con qualche patch), il modo migliore per compilare ed installare i pacchetti kde è usare konstruct che trovi sul sito kde. Comunque, è un'operazione piuttosto lunga. ciao, Andrea
[newbie-it] Fotocamera Digitale Kodak CX4200
Cari ragazzi, ho una fotocamera digitale Kodak CX4200. Ho effettuato la connessione con Linux (Mandrake 9.0) tramite USB e leggendo le proprietà della periferica USB, la fotocamera viene trovata automaticamente. Purtroppo quando utilizzo il programma GPhoto, non riesco a vedere le foto. Smanettando qua e la ho trovato che bisogna settarla, ma purtroppo tra quelle presente nell'elenco non ho trovato la mia. Ho trovato quella generica con attacco USB, ma purtroppo non ha funzionato. Qualcuno sa come aiutarmi? Ciao a tutti e buona giornata.
Re: [newbie-it] SchedaGrafica
Alle 09:33, lunedì 31 marzo 2003, Andrea Celli ha scritto: Niente di più semplice: apri il file /etc/inittab, la prima riga non di commento dovrebbe essere id:5:initdefault: sostituisci il 5 (modalità X11) con un 2 o un 3, vedi commenti nelle righe precedenti. Il 3 va sicuramente bene, nella RedHat che ho di fronte il 2 (= 3 senza NFS) sembra vada meglio per un PC non inserito in una rete Unix. Bisogna controllare che anche in Mandrake il 2 abbia lo stesso significato. Mi sono spiegato male, scusate... il problema è questo: la scheda grafica non funziona correttamente; è possibile entrare in modalità grafica, modalità X11 senza appogiarsi alla scheda grafica? Se sì, cosa dovrei fare? Ciao grazie
Re: [newbie-it] install modem
On Monday 31 March 2003 11:45, Andrea Hamburg wrote: Dopo la mia prima settimana di linux, ricorro al consiglio di voi esperti per risolvere un piccolo problema. Non riesco ad installare il modem. Ho un macchina abbastanza buona (P4, 1,5 GHz, 256 Mb, ecc), ma nel centro di controllo non risco a fargli leggere il modem (interno, 56k) in com 3 (ttys2), come posso fare? ciao e grazie probabile winmodem che modem è? marca,modello,cip? da root dai: #lspci -v e vedi se trovi qualche info in piu sul modem poi vedremo se qualcuno sapra aiutarti :) andrea Ciao , Tom . ~ . / v \ / / \ \ / ( ) \ ^^ ^^ nel dubbio coricati Slack 8.1-2.4.20 Linux user Tattari_manna
Re: [newbie-it] install modem
Nome e modello: Creatix V. 90 Ham Data Fax Modem Ubicazione: Slot PCI 5 (Bus PCI 2, periferica 2, funzione 0) Cip Dal root ho ottenuto le seguenti info (riporto pari pari data la mia ignoranza): communication controller: ambient tehnologies: unknown device (rev 02) subsystem: unknown device 16be: 0001 flags: medium devsel, IRQ 18 memory at de0 i/o port at c400 (size=256) capabilities: (60) power mangement version 2 Faccio notare che in com 1 ho il cavo 'hot sync' del palmare e in com 2 ho il cavo della fotocamera (o viceversa..).. che non ho ancora installato...(e nemmeno ci ho provato) ciao grazie andrea - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] install modem On Monday 31 March 2003 11:45, Andrea Hamburg wrote: Dopo la mia prima settimana di linux, ricorro al consiglio di voi esperti per risolvere un piccolo problema. Non riesco ad installare il modem. Ho un macchina abbastanza buona (P4, 1,5 GHz, 256 Mb, ecc), ma nel centro di controllo non risco a fargli leggere il modem (interno, 56k) in com 3 (ttys2), come posso fare? ciao e grazie probabile winmodem che modem è? marca,modello,cip? da root dai: #lspci -v e vedi se trovi qualche info in piu sul modem poi vedremo se qualcuno sapra aiutarti :) andrea Ciao , Tom . ~ . / v \ / / \ \ / ( ) \ ^^ ^^ nel dubbio coricati Slack 8.1-2.4.20 Linux user Tattari_manna
Re: [newbie-it] install modem
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:25:54 +0200 Andrea Hamburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nome e modello: Creatix V. 90 Ham Data Fax Modem Ubicazione: Slot PCI 5 (Bus PCI 2, periferica 2, funzione 0) Cip Dal root ho ottenuto le seguenti info (riporto pari pari data la mia ignoranza): communication controller: ambient tehnologies: unknown device (rev 02) subsystem: unknown device 16be: 0001 flags: medium devsel, IRQ 18 memory at de0 i/o port at c400 (size=256) capabilities: (60) power mangement version 2 Faccio notare che in com 1 ho il cavo 'hot sync' del palmare e in com 2 ho il cavo della fotocamera (o viceversa..).. che non ho ancora installato...(e nemmeno ci ho provato) I winmodem non sono modem ma schede audio. Vedi se è una di quelle che si riescono a far funzionare in emulazione di un modem anche sotto Linux in: http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html#Database Il chip che ti veniva chiesto è il chipset ossia il cuore della tua scheda: ne esistono poche marche (rockwell, lucent, ...) che vengono montate su schede di diversi produttori/rivenditori/commercializzatori. Per sapere se il tuo modem è supportato, l'importante è conoscere il chipset. Soprattutto se non è montato su una scheda nota a livello internazionale. ciao, andrea
[newbie-it] Aggiornamento dalla 9.0 e... altre domande!
Ciao, la mia prima domanda è questa... Ho preso la rivista con il primo CD di Mandrake 9.0 che è in edicola in questo momento e sto impazzendo nella sua configurazione. Mi è venuto un grosso dubbio, quando troverò la 9.1 potrò aggiornarla o il lavoro che sto facendo adesso è tempo perso? La seconda domanda è questa... Ho messo Mandrake sia sul desktop che sul notebook e i maggiori problemi li ho col portatile: 1) non si spegne, arriva in fondo alla sequenza ma al power off si blocca. Ho letto che forse dovrei ricompilare il kernel con il supporto apm o qualcosa del genere, e vero? Non trovo i sorgenti, mi sa che non sono sul primo cd, me lo confermate? 2) Sono a digiuno di hardware...un paio di consigli per favore: 2.1) Non riesco a configurare il mio modem isdn usb (palladio) e quindi per internet devo sempre utilizzare windows, il problema è che sul notebook non ho seriali solo usb e pcmcia. Mi potreste quindi indicare un modem pcmcia isdn compatibile al 100% con linux? 2.2) Io ho una scheda fast ethernet 10/100 pcmcia FE1500 della hamlet, come potrei utilizzare questa scheda (chiaramente in combinazione con altro hw) per connettermi tramite isdn? Grazie infinite a tutti quanti Paolo
[newbie-it] Un upgrade sostanziale...
Buon giorno a tutta la ML! In questi giorni mi sono deciso a cambiare alcuni componenti vitali del mio PC, in particolare scheda madre, ram e processore! Ho però il seguenbte dubbio: devo reinstallare Linux? Oppure kudzu riesce ad aggiornare le informazioni sull'intero hardware? Poichè cambierò inevitabilmente l'ordine degli hd interni, basta un cd di rescue per sistemare tutto? Infine (se non volete rispondere a questo OT capisco benissimo, ma fatelo per mia sorella...) per win è lo stesso? Ci pensa da solo ad aggiornare la configurazione dell'hardware? Ringrazio tutti coloro che mi risponderanno! Ciao Nicola -- In qualche modo raggiungevo l'eccesso senza mai accorgermi quando stavo passando attraverso la soddisfazione. -- Ashleigh Brilliant
[newbie-it] epson c62
Salute a tutta la lista ho comperato una stampante epson c62 che viene vista in maniera corretta solo che:non stampa ne la pagina di prova ...non da segni di vita..è installata su porta parallela se qualche persona ha un idea!? grazie mario
Re: [newbie-it] install modem
Alle 13:05, lunedì 31 marzo 2003, Andrea Celli ha scritto: On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:25:54 +0200 Andrea Hamburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nome e modello: Creatix V. 90 Ham Data Fax Modem Adesso dai in pasto a google il nome del modem, associato a linux, e vedi cosa salta fuori.. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## Fair is foul, and foul is fair -
Re: [newbie-it] Un upgrade sostanziale...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 31 March 2003 18:52, Nicola wrote about [newbie-it] Un upgrade sostanziale...: Buon giorno a tutta la ML! In questi giorni mi sono deciso a cambiare alcuni componenti vitali del mio PC, in particolare scheda madre, ram e processore! Ho però il seguenbte dubbio: devo reinstallare Linux? Oppure kudzu riesce ad aggiornare le informazioni sull'intero hardware? Premesso che dipende da caso a caso e da che tipo di hardware metti, se hai un kernel recente e usi hardware standard, linux dovrebbe automaticamente vedere i cambiamenti. Poichè cambierò inevitabilmente l'ordine degli hd interni, basta un cd di rescue per sistemare tutto? In definitiva si', dipende sempre da cosa fai, e da quanto cambi. Comunque dovrebbe bastare cambiare l'fstab in effetti. Infine (se non volete rispondere a questo OT capisco benissimo, ma fatelo per mia sorella...) per win è lo stesso? Ci pensa da solo ad aggiornare la configurazione dell'hardware? Anche qui dipende da che windows e' (quanto recente). Di solito comunque e' meglio installare i driver della scheda madre che ti arriveranno su cd. (sopratutto ovviamente se ha qualcosa di integrato) Ma per esperienza personale, linux da' molti meno problemi nell' aggiornamento dell'hardware. bye - -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia http://www.acidlife.com/mayhem/freefred/ Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - http://www.marcob.org/go.asp?~freefred/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+iINrJoljSvtxdFkRAmgoAJ97pI3vMNLTmWwimkEGn3OXPD7aXQCgm9Xq EXpp73xjkuQqRUtE+pbvw84= =BMLs -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] stampante lexmark z24
Alle 10:19, giovedì 27 marzo 2003, marco lelli ha scritto: problemi con stampante lexmark z24 per mandrake 8.0 - dopo aver installato i driver non funziona ugualmente. Grazie Devi installare lpr... Questa stampante con CUPS non va o almeno io non sono riuscito a farla funzionare con esso. -- saluti Giovanni Mazzamati +-+ |Linux Mandrake 9.0 - KDE 3.0.3 user | |Registred User #183142 | +-+ | La conoscenza è nulla senza condivisione. | | Paolo Caldana aka verbal | +-+ Giustizia, s.f.: Una decisione in tuo favore.
Re: [newbie-it] Installazione KDE 3.1
forse hai la conferma di ricezione o lettura attivate per piacere levale è uno strss grazie ciao. Gaetano ha scritto:
Re: [newbie-it] Aggiornamento dalla 9.0 e... altre domande!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 17:58, lunedì 31 marzo 2003, Paolo T. ha scritto: problemi li ho col portatile: 1) non si spegne, arriva in fondo alla sequenza ma al power off si blocca. Ho letto che forse dovrei ricompilare il kernel con il supporto apm o qualcosa del genere, e vero? molto probabilmente il tuo portatile usa acpi lo scopri ricercando il tuo modello su linux-laptop.net e su tuxmobil.org nel caso dovrei ricompilare senza apm e con solo acpi 2) Sono a digiuno di hardware...un paio di consigli per favore: 2.1) Non riesco a configurare il mio modem isdn usb (palladio) e quindi per internet devo sempre utilizzare windows guarda che molti palladio sono compatibili con linuccio.. hai cercato con google tuo_modem linux ?? magari c'è qualche rpm bello e pronto... Io ho una scheda fast ethernet 10/100 pcmcia FE1500 della hamlet, come potrei utilizzare questa scheda (chiaramente in combinazione con altro hw) per connettermi tramite isdn? ti colleghi con un pc fisso, (ma a questo punto, con quale sistema operativo? se il modem funzia col fisso, funzia anche col portatile...) che deve avere anche una nic ethernet, che userai con cavo cross, per condividere la connessione tramite nat e masquerading [ non spiego da zero perchè trovi tutto in archivio] Grazie infinite a tutti quanti Paolo - -- bye miKe - -- Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.20 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 -- S.R.U.#705 -- R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD4DBQE+iLHRF/9fksDJ4y0RAtggAJYtAdjfLeNLGE97+yeux3Yw1ftcAKC44wcE D40I2+p3qz2wXozZzXzXgg== =b8uk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] Scuse + consiglio
Un saluto a tutta la ML, prima cosa vorrei scusarmi con tutti voi per aver mandato precedenti e-mail con l'avviso di lettura, era impostato in automatico e mi dimenticavo ogni volta di levarlo (me ne rendevo conto solo dopo, so che può dar fastidio) E poi volevo sapere una cosa. Premetto che, con immenso piacere, ho appena installato la Mdk 9.1 sul Desktop (è favolosa). Posseggo un modem Usb adsl Datacom SpeedWeb che a ricerche fatte è risultato non installabile su Linuzzo, ed ho chiesto il cambio con un modem ethernet che purtroppo ancora non arriva, ma dopo aver installato la Mdk 9.1 sono andato alla voce controlli usb ed ho trovato questo: USB-ADSL MODEM Produttore: GlobeSpan Inc. Numero di serie 747E03 Classe(255) Versione USB1.0 Identificativo venditore0xfe8 Identificativo prodotto 0x8101 Revisione1.0 Velocità 12Mbit/s Canali 0 Dimensione massima pacchetto 0 Ho provato a creare una connessione ad internet ma non ci sono riuscito. Ora non vi chiedo come creare la connessione, (cercherò di farlo io, anche perchè penso sia già stato trattato come argomento) vorrei solo sapere se questo significa che la Mdk 9.1 riconosce questo modem, e quindi è possibile una connettersi ad internet con questo modem, prima che continui a sbatterci la testa inutilmente! Ringrazio tutti e chiedo scusate ancora per il problema accennato all'inizio. Ciao Gaetano
Re: [newbie-it] epson c62
grazie per la sollecitudine con cui mi hai risposto,in realtà non ho molto da dirti la stampante che purtroppo non ha i driver originari epson (sembra che per linux non esistano)è stata impostata come stampante c60 la c62 non risultava in lista ,ma purtroppo a 720 dpi non da segni di vita a 360dpi idem penavo fosse un difetto della stampante stessa visto che, con la precedente lexmark z24 non avevo mai avuto problemi invece sul malefico win di mia figlia funziona regolarmente la cosa mi scoccia non poco..visto che in casa non faccio che esaltare le virtù del mandrakuccio 8.2 a cui sono anche affezionato... in ogni caso grazie mario- Original Message - From: Daniele Micci [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] epson c62 Alle 19:03, lunedì 31 marzo 2003, mario ha scritto: Salute a tutta la lista ho comperato una stampante epson c62 che viene vista in maniera corretta solo che:non stampa ne la pagina di prova ...non da segni di vita..è installata su porta parallela se qualche persona ha un idea!? grazie mario Ciao Mario, puoi darci qualche informazione in più? Mia sorella (sul cui PC gira ovviamente Linux!) ha la tua stessa stampante, e le funziona perfettamente... Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] epson c62
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:03:10 +0200 mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salute a tutta la lista ho comperato una stampante epson c62 che viene vista in maniera corretta solo che:non stampa ne la pagina di prova ...non da segni di vita..è installata su porta parallela se qualche persona ha un idea!? grazie mario www.linuxprinting.org ci sono informazioni su tutte le stampanti: funzionano o sono fermacarte, come configurarle, ... ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Un upgrade sostanziale...
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:52:12 +0200 Nicola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buon giorno a tutta la ML! In questi giorni mi sono deciso a cambiare alcuni componenti vitali del mio PC, in particolare scheda madre, ram e processore! Ho però il seguenbte dubbio: devo reinstallare Linux? Oppure kudzu riesce ad aggiornare le informazioni sull'intero hardware? Poichè cambierò inevitabilmente l'ordine degli hd interni, basta un cd di rescue per sistemare tutto? Ram e processore non dovrebbero darti problemi: a me non ne hanno mai dati La scheda madre non dovrebbe, ma non ho mai provato Più antipatico se sposti il disco fisso da un canale ide o udma ad un altro: ti costringe a cambiare tutti i puntidi mount in /etc/ftab ciao, Andrea
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Re: [newbie-it] boot e cdrom
Emiliano La Licata wrote: Salve a tutti, Scusate la domanda molto newbie Vorrei provare la mdk 9.0 in una versione molto ma molto ridotta su un vecchio pc, 64 ram 640M in C, trascurato ed abbandonato, nella scuoletta dove insegno... nel bios del pc non c'è l'opzione del boot dal cdrom e il win caricato è quarda caso impallato, dunque come posso fare a far partire l'installazione? Ciao grazie Secondo me non ci riesci. Dovresti installare una distro più vecchia MDK 8.1 per esempio. Le nuove distro sono progettate per processori i586 e superiori. -- -- Ciao, Lux Linux User # 266688
Re: [newbie-it] epson c62
Alle 19:03, lunedì 31 marzo 2003, mario ha scritto: Salute a tutta la lista ho comperato una stampante epson c62 che viene vista in maniera corretta solo che:non stampa ne la pagina di prova ...non da segni di vita..è installata su porta parallela se qualche persona ha un idea!? grazie mario Ciao Mario, puoi darci qualche informazione in più? Mia sorella (sul cui PC gira ovviamente Linux!) ha la tua stessa stampante, e le funziona perfettamente... Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie] more very basic questions
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 2:59 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 01:34 am, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Those are typically executables. They are not associated with anything, but must be run from the shell. Open a shell (also known as terminal), change to the directory where the .bin is located (with cd), then type ./filename.bin Thanks so much. That installs it, huh? Cool. When you download a .bin package you have to make it executable before you can run it. Right click in konquerorProperties. Having to manually make a downloaded file executable is a protection against attack by worms or viruses. BTW: Any file name in linux may be executable. They do not have to end in '.bin' Also where possible try to use RPMs instead of binary installers. The reason being that your RPM database will be accurate as to which applications are already installed. It is also harder to uninstall a application installed as a binary executable. Popular applications like Sun Java and Netscape 7 are available as RPMs if you look in the right places. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] more very basic questions
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 11:19, Teilhard Knight wrote: What do I do with a .bin package? I have no file asociations with those archives. What program handles them? Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? Most of the time you can execute a .BIN file with opening a terminal in that directory and doing: ./nameoffile.BIN to run it... -- Mon Mar 31 18:25:00 EST 2003 18:25:00 up 10 days, 6:12, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.19, 0.23 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** The husband who doesn't tell his wife everything probably reasons that what she doesn't know won't hurt him. -- Leo J. Burke Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] path to synthesis/hdlist?
Sorry for stupid question, I want to set up ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/contrib as an urpmi source. Where is the subject? Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 Flakey installs??
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 07:02, John Richard Smith wrote: rather an expensive sort of install don't you think ? Still one of these days. John Don't ya reckon it'd be rather amusing to see a yank eating jellied eels and doing an installation for ya? (g) I can even put on my Croc Dundee Aussie leather hat whilst doing it! Ain't nothin' stranger than seein' a displaced ex-yank dressed like a yobbo Aussie and talkin' like a Texan... I suppose I could always meet you in Ausie land , and we could go croc hunting together , I'll bring some bait , do you think the croc's would like jellied eels , how about a haggis or two, or maybe a home made suit dumpling. Now that would be something. I aways wanted to see something of the world, but elected to bring up 4 children instead.So your on someday. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] path to synthesis/hdlist?
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 8:48 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: Sorry for stupid question, I want to set up ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/contrib as an urpmi source. Where is the subject? Wahur From http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] more very basic questions
On Monday 31 March 2003 02:27 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 31 Mar 2003 2:59 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 01:34 am, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Those are typically executables. They are not associated with anything, but must be run from the shell. Open a shell (also known as terminal), change to the directory where the .bin is located (with cd), then type ./filename.bin Thanks so much. That installs it, huh? Cool. When you download a .bin package you have to make it executable before you can run it. Right click in konquerorProperties. Having to manually make a downloaded file executable is a protection against attack by worms or viruses. BTW: Any file name in linux may be executable. They do not have to end in '.bin' Also where possible try to use RPMs instead of binary installers. The reason being that your RPM database will be accurate as to which applications are already installed. It is also harder to uninstall a application installed as a binary executable. Popular applications like Sun Java and Netscape 7 are available as RPMs if you look in the right places. Thank you, Derek. I was wondering why I was getting the message permission denied when logged as root. I was installing Java and they only give it to you in bin format in the place I was directed by Netscape. Maybe I didn't look in the right place, but I was mainly concerned with downloading the right package. It's installed now. Maybe I should stop. I want to go up to 9.1. I'll post for advise as it seems there is some issue with the NVIDIA cards. Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
Most of you are running 9.1 already. I am confy with 9.0, but, things move and we should move with them, so, I would like to upgrade. First question: can I upgrade from 9.0 or do I have to do a clean install? I suppose a clean install is what is most recommended. Second question: I have read something about some issues with NVIDIA graphics cards. I have a NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 64 pro and I would like to know in advance what to do in order to make it work right after the installation. Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
On Monday 31 March 2003 05:33, Teilhard Knight wrote: Most of you are running 9.1 already. I am confy with 9.0, but, things move and we should move with them, so, I would like to upgrade. First question: can I upgrade from 9.0 or do I have to do a clean install? I suppose a clean install is what is most recommended. Second question: I have read something about some issues with NVIDIA graphics cards. I have a NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 64 pro and I would like to know in advance what to do in order to make it work right after the installation. Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? If you upgrade 9.0 to 9.1 you'll still have the 9.0Nvidia kernel around you boot with now. That way you can get the 9.1 kernel working with nvidia at your own pace knowing you can fall back on the old working one. There isn't a real nvidia problem, just some extra work 'cause propietry drivers aren't on the Download CD's. Find them at nvidia, mandrake-club or wait for the boxed set which will include and install them automagically. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 13:33, Teilhard Knight wrote: Most of you are running 9.1 already. I am confy with 9.0, but, things move and we should move with them, so, I would like to upgrade. First question: can I upgrade from 9.0 or do I have to do a clean install? I suppose a clean install is what is most recommended. Second question: I have read something about some issues with NVIDIA graphics cards. I have a NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 64 pro and I would like to know in advance what to do in order to make it work right after the installation. Teilhard Knight Just don't format your /home partition. If you've not set a partition aside for your /home, backup everything in your /home directories, blow out the entire thing, and start fresh. Get the latest NVidia drivers (ooNVidia is soo nice) and you'll be right mate. -- Mon Mar 31 19:50:00 EST 2003 19:50:00 up 10 days, 7:37, 3 users, load average: 0.60, 0.54, 0.25 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Watch Rincewind. Look at him. Scrawny, like most wizards, and clad in a dark red robe on which a few mystic sigils were embroidered in tarnished sequins. Some might have taken him for a mere apprentice enchanter who had run away from his master out of defiance, boredom, fear and a lingering taste for heterosexuality. Yet around his neck was a chain bearing the bronze octagon that marked him as an alumnus of Unseen University, the high school of magic whose time-and-space transcendent campus is never precisely Here or There. Graduates were usually destined for mageship at least, but Rincewind--after an unfortunate event--had left knowing only one spell and made a living of sorts around the town by capitalizing on an innate gift for languages. He avoided work as a rule, but had a quickness of wit that put his acquaintances in mind of a bright rodent. -- Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 4:33 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: Most of you are running 9.1 already. I am confy with 9.0, but, things move and we should move with them, so, I would like to upgrade. First question: can I upgrade from 9.0 or do I have to do a clean install? I suppose a clean install is what is most recommended. Second question: I have read something about some issues with NVIDIA graphics cards. I have a NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 64 pro and I would like to know in advance what to do in order to make it work right after the installation. Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? As someone else discovered recently. Upgrading from 9.0 to 9.1 does work, but if you are using the closed source Nvidia drivers, the old drivers from 9.0 will not work in 9.1 and as a result X will be broken until you reconfigure the XF86Config-4 file. Since you are quite new, I would suggest the simplest course of action is to do a new install (but without formatting your /home partition if you have one) 9.1 will then come up working with the open source 'nv' driver. You can then install the closed source 'nvidia' drivers from Texstar's site. I have posted recently on how to add Texstar as a urpmi source. I have not tried it myself, but I hear Texstars Nvidia RPM will do all the configuration file edits for you. Texstar also has RPMs to install java, flash, and RealPlayer I have not tried them because they I use the ones from Mandrake Club You can find which RPMS a urpmi source has by using Mandrake Software Manager to show rpms 'by source repository' When installing Texstar RPMS you will get a signature error This is because RPMS can be signed with a key to prove they were made by the person claiming to have made them. You can either ignore the error, or install Texstars keyring you will find here ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.1/gpgkey derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] konqueror fonts
On Monday 31 Mar 2003 4:58 am, John Drouhard wrote: In konqueror, sometimes the font on certain websites is a.d. mono. I checked the document source, finding out that it was within a paragraph tag. p Anyway, how can I change Konqueror's fonts to display these fonts in say, Helvectica? Thanks! Don't know whether that's possible, John. However, in 8.2 I had a lot of problem with a.d.mono. It turned out that kde (I think it was) used the first font on the list if it couldn't find the requested one. It's probably bad web page programming that causes the problem, but removing a.d.mono from your list of fonts may make the first on the list to something more acceptable (couldn't be me worse g). It's worth a try Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla dependencies
On Mon March 31 2003 05:54 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: snip When you guru's are faced with the same thing do you have a better solution than to chase down each of these files one by one? TIA Bob Where did you find mozilla 1.3 for Mandrake 9.0? I cannot find it in any of the usual sources. I suspect you have got yourself mozilla-1.3 for 9.1 snip Hi Derek, I downloaded this, http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/cooker/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/mozilla-1.3-1mdk.i586.html I didn't see an indication of which MDK release it's designed for so I just figured it's for any MDK release! The simple command urpmi mozilla would be all that was needed to upgrade to the latest version of mozilla the sources contained as well as all its dependencies. Go here to define urpmi sources http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Read about urpmi here http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/jwrobinson/docs.html Ah ha, that looks like the answer I was looking for. I'll give that a try. Thank you Bob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] help! Mandrake 9.1 installed, WinXP killed!
I used the system rescue disks to detect and fix the errors, and I also used the OS disk to repair the WinXP system. It finally works well again. - Original Message - From: Richard Gelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] help! Mandrake 9.1 installed, WinXP killed! Jolly good, I have had it sort quite a few similar problems as well, worth remembering. Richard G. On Friday 28 Mar 2003 19:50, qhwang wrote: Thanks, Richard, It works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Diagnostic and recovery Re: [newbie] file system of unmounted partition
On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 11:30 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Probly the easiest way is to go to Applications | Monitoring and choose KDiskFree. It lists all your partitions, Type (files system), Size, and Usage. If you've got removable media inserted and supermount enabled, it'll also display those. Thanks Tom, Thanks for replying too. In case you missed it, here is the reply I sent to Stephen. Blessings, Anguo Sorry, My question was not complete. I need more something like a diagnostic tool. The partition table has been messed up with (in particular the FS type)... :-( So I need to figure out, not what the partition table, but what the FS was when the partition was created and used. Also, following some crashes and unfortunate recovery attempts, three secondary ext2 partitions have merged into one bigger one. I know where the first one starts and where the last one ends but not where they have merged. As a result this (big) partition will not mount either, even read only. What I really need is more info on some diagnostic and recovery tool that may be available... Thanks for replying Yours, Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Diagnostic and recovery Re: [newbie] file system of unmounted partition
On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 11:15 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Just open a terminal and type fdisk -l It will list all partitions (mounted or not) and give you specific information about the partitions as well. HTH! Hello Stephen, Thanks for replying. Sorry, My question was not complete. I need more something like a diagnostic tool. The partition table has been messed up with (in particular the FS type)... :-( So I need to figure out, not what the partition table, but what the FS was when the partition was created and used. Also, following some crashes and unfortunate recovery attempts, three secondary ext2 partitions have merged into one bigger one. I know where the first one starts and where the last one ends but not where they have merged. As a result this (big) partition will not mount either, even read only. What I really need is more info on some diagnostic and recovery tool that may be available... Thanks for replying Yours, Anguo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound Blaster sound card not detected
hel kenal peval (phapev, 30. mrts 2003 23:55) kirjutas lewis: I have checked MCC but there is no sound card detected. When I run sndconfig it doesn't detect the card. I pick the card from the list and it tells me: The following error occured running the modprobe program: /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/es1371.o.gz: init_module: No such device modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/es1371.o.gz failed modprob: insmod sound-slot-0 failed I don't understand this stuff. Thanks again. Brenda My bet is you've got some cables loose, soundcard or bus not properly connected and HardDrake has therefore nothing to recognise. Can't quite see any other solutions. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 Long bootup activity
Guy, I've had a similar symptom in the past and which was caused by a corrupted RPM database. You can find repair instructions at http://www.rpm.org/hintskinks/repairdb/ Guy Rouillier wrote: Upgraded 9.0 to 9.1. Under 9.0, during the bootup process, DevFS used to take a long time. Under 9.1, now that is pretty quick. However, now checking module dependencies takes a long time with continuous disk activity. Does anyone know why that is, and how to address it? I would think once the module dependencies were figured out, future boots would go quickly. This happens to me every time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Bell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
MM, After that you have to perform (not always, I think) ./configure make make install This for both rpm and tar. For Urpmi, I do not think so.Ik think that one does all automatic, but not sure! BB, Toran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
On Sunday 30 Mar 2003 10:19 pm, Toran Korshnah wrote: MM, After that you have to perform (not always, I think) ./configure make make install This for both rpm and tar. For Urpmi, I do not think so.Ik think that one does all automatic, but not sure! urpmi deals with all of that. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] trouble report help ???
this is more information about the errata of mouse corsor you can look the snapshot there seen white block that's my corsor mouse how to fix that problem ? please give the the solution btw my vga card s3 trio 3d/2x (8m) mainboard gigabyte 6vx7+ attachment: snapshot1.pngWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
On 30 Mar 2003 16:19:25 -0500 Toran Korshnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled furiously: MM, After that you have to perform (not always, I think) ./configure make make install This for both rpm and tar. For Urpmi, I do not think so.Ik think that one does all automatic, but not sure! = For rpm one only needs to: $rpm -ivh file.rpm and the rest should happen automagically. With an unterred source file, your three steps above are typical (though not always required). The tird one must be done as the root user usually. Mike -- The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life. --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
./configure make make install This for both rpm and tar. Not for rpm, but often with tar-fileshowever read the INSTALL-file all the time /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
Mm, Quite right, guys! Sorry that I was not complete enough! Toran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] cpuburn and memtest
On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:53 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Ronald: When I built this box two years ago, I bought the RAM from Mushkin. At the time, they were highly recommended on various hardware sites, but I haven't heard about them for a while. I was very pleased with the whole transaction, but things change; sadly, not always for the better. BTW, check your date setting. -- cmg Thanks for the reply. Yep, I made some changes in BIOS after flashing the latest update. I forgot to reset the date again. I'll do that the next time I reboot. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
This is what I was hoping for ... unfortunately it ain't happening in my case yet, but I can tell you in most cases I had to reboot my Win2k laptop just because application client which I had to run daily is causing memory leak and in 2-3 weeks laptop was getting too sluggish. Martin --- H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 04:39, m wrote: Hope I didn't upset anybody, just like to hear your opinion. Martin Here's an extra nice one for the laptop: Once it's configured well you never have to switch the notebook off. I've got 9.0 running on a fuyitsu lifebook with 8 months uptime. I just close the lid and when I need it I just open it and carry on where I left off. You can actually hear the M$-laptop users, jaws hit the table when I do that in a meeting...Gawd, that's fast!! Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Fw: Kernel panic: No Init found
Friends, I don't know if this is a good address to ask for help, if not please let me know. I've read in the net a set of emails concerning this problem, but they are too intricated to me. I use Linux as sw application designer, I´mnot an expert at all in installation nor system internals, so I need some easy help if possible. I've been working for months with Mandrake 8.1, kernel 2.4.8-26mdk. It was installed by some other person in a Windows-XP partition I'm not familiar with (glups!). At the startup I must always press scape, then type 'linux nobiospnp' in order to avoid some initial problem I don't remember already. Today I've done the same as always, the Welcome/Bienvenido/etc screen has displayed, then the error message has appeared. I don´t know even how to proceed from this point on, so I've just switched-off and retried with the same result, etc. Is there any help available at my extremely poor administrator level? Many thanks in advance, Rafael Pérez Domínguez Madrid - Spain
Re: [newbie] 9.1 documentation
MandrakeClub has new section on documentation, including but not limited to The Definitive Guide to Mandrake Linux 9.0. That may be perfect for you. Miark On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:38:31 -0800 eric huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have all the docs for 9.0 (some on paper, the rest from the website). Where can i find the docs for 9.1 (ie Starter, Command-Line, etc)? The 9.0 user/starter guide suggests some are on the cd, but my Read Mandrake Linux Documentation feature on the CD is broken. It asks for cd 3, but then very little happens. (this is from the screen you get when you run the CD dosutils from windoze). Thanks, huff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
Hi Jason, first off, thank you for your opinions and see my answers inline ... --- Jason Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, m wrote: It's not too encouraging ... are you saying I should give up? Perhaps. Hmmm, I don't like to give up easy. Why don't you rather suggest how to fix some of the things ... say make fonts in Mozilla look like in Windows. Things in Linux look/act differently to Windows, if you prefer Windows, stay with it. You'll never emulate Windows exactly, thank God. I'm not even trying do so, there are some things I like right of the bat more in Linux but still thre is something I'm missing to be efficient and comfortable doing my job. Don't take me wrong I agree with most of your ideas but issue is as I see it a lot of third party vendors are so MS oriented that you can't have their stuff for Linux at all. What do you do if you need them? Even somebody here mentioned once in a month he has to reload his Windows to update check book or something why is that? See comments below: As a newbie (I'll consider myself newbie till I'm able to compile my own kernel and that won't happen any time soon, as PC is just a tool for me and I don't have time for it) I've decided to try Linux as Then many of us are newbies too, if that's the definition. hearing all that how great it is made me curious. Good that you've heard good things, I love Linux myself, would never go back to Winblows. So far it didn't give me anything I couldn't do with Windows, That's not the point. If you think that the only important thing to do is re-create the Windows environment in Linux, forget it. stability is out of question as my laptop is freezing more often with Linux then Win2k, things I like Then you have a bung install, simple as that. Linux does not crash...repeat after me, does not crash, I have been using it for 2 years, so I know (others far longer, and they agree with me). The only way it would is if you were trying some exotic kernel or beta software or similar. :), I can't argue with this ...bung install ... I don't feel I did something wrong during the install as there was not much I could've done. Linux can freeze or lock up, I've experienced it myself and I've heard others say that too. Of course it has always been some apm related stuff. I don't think I'm doing anything exotic :). very much e.g. suspend or hot swapping of my cdrom with floppy ain't working to the same extend as with Windows (sometimes after wakeing it up, display wouldn't get in sync at all etc etc), fonts in say Mozilla sucks comparing what it is in Windows. Sounds like an XFree/Video card problem to me. Pop in Knoppix and try the same thing, it may configure your video better than Mandrake does, it has on some of my boxes. There is still a lot of software I need in my day to day business not available for Linux too, Like? Be specific so we can make recommendations. Meeting Maker, Adobe Frame Viewer, Spirnet Ixia client, VPN client, OTP, IPTV client, Visio. so the only bright side is I can do my expect/tcl script on my PC Hey!! At least you found a silver lining!! instead of login to some of the corporate Sun servers and I LOVE xterm ... getting help from Linux gurus is the same hassle as getting help for MS issues. Um, no, I disagree. Sorry, I know everybody is trying to do best they can but nobody is gonna die for you if you're in trouble, right ... either way most of the time you're on your own. Martin When I buy a PC it comes with Windows and I dont have to pay anything extra, right? Yes you do, it's bundled in with the price (ie. Windows Tax). Buy a whitebox and save between $100-$600 depending on the bundle. So ... what's the point to do format c: and go for Linux? If you still don't know all of the benefits, I'll post them again at the bottom of this email. Hope I didn't upset anybody, just like to hear your opinion. Ok, you got it. Cheers Jason PS, My PERSONAL reasons for using Linux/OSS: Freedom - the freedom to use, modify and in general, play with my software with a level of transparency simply not available with Windows. Modifiable - Being able to modify most things on my computer through simple, text editable text files, without the worry/hassle of a registry of any kind. Value/Cost for performance - in my experience, Linux and OSS offer a price for performance return that Windows doesn't even come close to. Community - I like being part of a community of my choice, rather than being a slave to a company in Redmond that uses my net's back channel to report my usage behaviors and buying decisions - all for my own supposed benefit. Helping others - I can help others by introducing them to Linux for almost no cost without feeling like I am
Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
On Monday 31 March 2003 18:36, m wrote: This is what I was hoping for ... unfortunately it ain't happening in my case yet, but I can tell you in most cases I had to reboot my Win2k laptop just because application client which I had to run daily is causing memory leak and in 2-3 weeks laptop was getting too sluggish. Martin Ok, so let's take your your's by the horns and give win2k something to worry about. First we'll need to know what Mdk version you installed. I'm betting 9.0 cause you're mentionning lousy fonts in Mozilla. Then what laptop i.e. make, cpu amount of RAM. And what exactly did you mean by hot swapping of my cdrom with floppy ain't working to the same extend as with Windows (sometimes after wakeing it up, display wouldn't get in sync at all etc etc), they're pcmcia or USB devices or what? Of course mileage will vary on different hardware but as you didn't mention an internal modem not working, your chances are pretty high to come out on top. Good hunting, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update]
Sorry about the HTML - but I thought this was rather funny - what a lame attempt to drop executables on people's boxes... (BTW, Microsoft does not send emails to clients with executables attached...if y'all didn't know) -Forwarded Message- From: MS Public Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Microsoft Customer Subject: Internet Security Update Date: 31 Mar 2003 08:22:57 -0700 Microsoft Customer this is the latest version of security update, the March 2003, Cumulative Patch update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express as well as five newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an attacker to run executable on your system. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches. System requirements Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP This update applies to Microsoft Internet Explorer, version 4.01 and later Microsoft Outlook, version 8.00 and later Microsoft Outlook Express, version 4.01 and later Recommendation Customers should install the patch at the earliest opportunity. How to install Run attached file. Click Yes on displayed dialog box. How to use You don't need to do anything after installing this item. Microsoft Product Support Services and Knowledge Base articles can be found on the Microsoft Technical Support web site. For security-related information about Microsoft products, please visit the Microsoft Security Advisor web site, or Contact us. Please do not reply to this message. It was sent from an unmonitored e-mail address and we are unable to respond to any replies. Thank you for using Microsoft products. Best wishes from MS Public Services ?2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. The names of the actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. -- Tue Apr 1 05:05:00 EST 2003 05:05:00 up 10 days, 16:52, 4 users, load average: 1.22, 1.08, 0.62 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** You know, it's at times like this when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young! Why, what did she tell you? I don't know, I didn't listen. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
[newbie] Replace Metacity with Sawfish on 9.1?
The Sawfish window manager does not seem to be in the list of packages shipping with the 9.1 download edition. 1. I see that Metacity is now the default WM for Gnome, is there any specific technical reason why Sawfish was displaced in favor of Metacity? 2. Should I want to install Sawfish as the default WM is there a good procedure written up somewhere on how to do it? Or is it as simple as using RPM to remove Metacity and installing Sawfish from the RPM's instead? Thanks, ==Keith __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:20, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 12:50, Lanman wrote: You, Sir,...Are a mean, heartless and vindictive man! And don't think for one minute that I don't respect you for it! I'll have to remember that one! Lanman Thank you very much for these kind words;o) Actually I'm just lucky Stephen hasn't chipped in yethe makes me look like Florence Nightingdale on a bad night. Good luck, HarM Hey! I resemble that remark! (g) -- Tue Apr 1 05:25:00 EST 2003 05:25:00 up 10 days, 17:12, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.40, 0.40 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Equality is not when a female Einstein gets promoted to assistant professor; equality is when a female schlemiel moves ahead as fast as a male schlemiel. -- Ewald Nyquist Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing tar
At 13:41 28/03/2003 Friday -0500, you wrote: MM, When instaling tar, I decompress with Konqueror and place the decompressed file in a self made directory. Then I link it to the desktop. Is there no better way to do this? It works, but I think sometimes (like with opera), I lack dependicies. I use for the moment mdk 8.1 Download Edition, but waiting for 9.1 Pro. BB, Toran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi Toran, How are you using konqueror to extract the tar? If you mean using konqueror to read and extract a tar archive via cut and paste, you will often get 'expected directory, found file' errors. Always open a terminal and tar the archive via the command line; this way you will also be able to use the arguments as you see fit. Regards, Dez Sharp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:26, Lanman wrote: HM, You're Right! Where is he? What time is it in the land of the eternal kangaroo? Could it be that Stephen is down for his afternoon nap? Probably in the kitchen waiting for the coffee to finish brewing! Sigh! OH well, Guess we'll start calling you Florence, Harm.!! LOL! L It's 5:25 a.m. - been awake for nearly an hour chasing out a brandie-new trojan/macro - conversing with the nice folks at Pandasoft and F-Prot... (Got to protect my M$ running clients, and interacting with the antivirus people only gets me more free products!) -- Tue Apr 1 05:25:00 EST 2003 05:25:00 up 10 days, 17:12, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.40, 0.40 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Equality is not when a female Einstein gets promoted to assistant professor; equality is when a female schlemiel moves ahead as fast as a male schlemiel. -- Ewald Nyquist Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 21:43, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 13:26, Lanman wrote: HM, You're Right! Where is he? What time is it in the land of the eternal kangaroo? Tomorrow.we're yesterday's news overthere. Could it be that Stephen is down for his afternoon nap? Probably in the kitchen waiting for the coffee to finish brewing! Nah, he's out shooting runaway Red Hat installs. He was the one that brought em in, in the first place. It's like the rabbit plague replayed if he isn't careful;o) Sigh! OH well, Guess we'll start calling you Florence, Harm.!! LOL! Don't you dare! good luck, HarM FYI - our area (Wollongong and the Illawarra) are mostly Mandrakians... -- Tue Apr 1 05:25:00 EST 2003 05:25:00 up 10 days, 17:12, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.40, 0.40 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Equality is not when a female Einstein gets promoted to assistant professor; equality is when a female schlemiel moves ahead as fast as a male schlemiel. -- Ewald Nyquist Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update]
I bet a heap of people fall for it anyway rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 3:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update] Sorry about the HTML - but I thought this was rather funny - what a lame attempt to drop executables on people's boxes... (BTW, Microsoft does not send emails to clients with executables attached...if y'all didn't know) -Forwarded Message- From: MS Public Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Microsoft Customer Subject: Internet Security Update Date: 31 Mar 2003 08:22:57 -0700 Microsoft Customer this is the latest version of security update, the March 2003, Cumulative Patch update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express as well as five newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to protect your computer from these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow an attacker to run executable on your system. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches. System requirements Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP This update applies to Microsoft Internet Explorer, version 4.01 and later Microsoft Outlook, version 8.00 and later Microsoft Outlook Express, version 4.01 and later Recommendation Customers should install the patch at the earliest opportunity. How to install Run attached file. Click Yes on displayed dialog box. How to use You don't need to do anything after installing this item. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound Blaster sound card not detected
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 01:04, Vahur Lokk wrote: Ühel kenal päeval (pühapäev, 30. märts 2003 23:55) kirjutas lewis: I have checked MCC but there is no sound card detected. When I run sndconfig it doesn't detect the card. I pick the card from the list and it tells me: The following error occured running the modprobe program: /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/es1371.o.gz: init_module: No such device modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/es1371.o.gz failed modprob: insmod sound-slot-0 failed I don't understand this stuff. Thanks again. Brenda My bet is you've got some cables loose, soundcard or bus not properly connected and HardDrake has therefore nothing to recognise. Can't quite see any other solutions. Wahur Would this be happening if she doesn't have the procinfo-18-3mdk.rpm installed? (Just checking) -- Tue Apr 1 05:30:00 EST 2003 05:30:00 up 10 days, 17:17, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.33, 0.37 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Dear Mister Language Person: I am curious about the expression, Part of this complete breakfast. The way it comes up is, my 5-year-old will be watching TV cartoon shows in the morning, and they'll show a commercial for a children's compressed breakfast compound such as Froot Loops or Lucky Charms, and they always show it sitting on a table next to some actual food such as eggs, and the announcer always says: Part of this complete breakfast. Don't that really mean, Adjacent to this complete breakfast, or On the same table as this complete breakfast? And couldn't they make essentially the same claim if, instead of Froot Loops, they put a can of shaving cream there, or a dead bat? Answer: Yes. -- Dave Barry, Tips for Writer's Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Fw: Kernel panic: No Init found
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 02:46, Rafael Pérez Domínguez wrote: Friends, I don't know if this is a good address to ask for help, if not please let me know. I've read in the net a set of emails concerning this problem, but they are too intricated to me. I use Linux as sw application designer, I´m not an expert at all in installation nor system internals, so I need some easy help if possible. I've been working for months with Mandrake 8.1, kernel 2.4.8-26mdk. It was installed by some other person in a Windows-XP partition I'm not familiar with (glups!). At the startup I must always press scape, then type 'linux nobiospnp' in order to avoid some initial problem I don't remember already. Today I've done the same as always, the Welcome/Bienvenido/etc screen has displayed, then the error message has appeared. I don´t know even how to proceed from this point on, so I've just switched-off and retried with the same result, etc. Is there any help available at my extremely poor administrator level? Many thanks in advance, Rafael Pérez Domínguez Madrid - Spain Buenos Dias! Have you tried to get into it since you've shut the machine down? Are you getting the same results? -- Tue Apr 1 05:35:01 EST 2003 05:35:01 up 10 days, 17:22, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.42, 0.41 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Make headway at work. Continue to let things deteriorate at home. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing Fonts...
Hi everyone! Is there a GUI for installing fonts in MDK 9.1 or does it have to be done through console? If there is, where is it? Thanks alot!! -R __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Replace Metacity with Sawfish on 9.1?
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 05:23, Keith Christian wrote: The Sawfish window manager does not seem to be in the list of packages shipping with the 9.1 download edition. 1. I see that Metacity is now the default WM for Gnome, is there any specific technical reason why Sawfish was displaced in favor of Metacity? Because Sawfish is more than just a wm and the Gnome team wanted a dumb wm instead - although you can force Sawfish into being the wm and get back some of that great functionality - but overall, the Gnome project is getting a bit more scattered right now just in trying to play catch up and kiss RedHat butt at the same time... 2. Should I want to install Sawfish as the default WM is there a good procedure written up somewhere on how to do it? Or is it as simple as using RPM to remove Metacity and installing Sawfish from the RPM's instead? Not really - it's a kludge or a cf to get Sawfish running - but what you CAN do is to run gconf-editor and find where it has the wm in the Windows-like registry - then run the Session Manager, and find Metashitty in the list of startup programs - replace that with Sawfish (of course, AFTER downloading and installing Sawfish) with the same running defaults, then open a terminal and do: killall -KILL metacity ; wait 10 sawfish ...and if that chokes and pukes, just restart Gnome2 and you should have Sawfish as the wm - the first few boots of Gnome2 will be flaky, but after that it should stabilise a bit... -- Tue Apr 1 05:35:01 EST 2003 05:35:01 up 10 days, 17:22, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.42, 0.41 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Make headway at work. Continue to let things deteriorate at home. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update]
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 05:36, Frankie wrote: I bet a heap of people fall for it anyway rgds Franki Hate to say it, but mate, I'll make $75 per cleaning - so it ain't no skin offa my nose - I just plug'em into my network, run f-prot on that box, and voila!, they're done (unless I have to do a re-install, then it's an extra $110) -- Tue Apr 1 05:45:00 EST 2003 05:45:01 up 10 days, 17:32, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.20, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Some men feel that the only thing they owe the woman who marries them is a grudge. -- Helen Rowland Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing Fonts...
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 05:43, olive nepredofsk wrote: Hi everyone! Is there a GUI for installing fonts in MDK 9.1 or does it have to be done through console? If there is, where is it? Thanks alot!! -R Hey man, open up the Mandrake Control Centre, and go to SYSTEM, then DrakFont Installer - easy as pulling a greased string outta cat's ass! -- Tue Apr 1 05:45:00 EST 2003 05:45:01 up 10 days, 17:32, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.20, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Some men feel that the only thing they owe the woman who marries them is a grudge. -- Helen Rowland Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] cpuburn and memtest
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 02:14, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:53 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, check your date setting. -- cmg Thanks for the reply. Yep, I made some changes in BIOS after flashing the latest update. I forgot to reset the date again. I'll do that the next time I reboot. :-) (And to think that you were trying to be a day ahead of ME! Ha! NOT!) (g) -- Tue Apr 1 05:50:00 EST 2003 05:50:00 up 10 days, 17:37, 3 users, load average: 0.53, 0.39, 0.35 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Installing tar
use mc midnight commmander type mc in an xterm or console.. then browse to the tar or tar.gz and press enter.. there are two panels.. left and right.. have the opened tarball in the left and the target directory on the right.. press F5 to copy from the tarball to the target directory.. works flawlessly and with no typing or params to remember.. mc can do the same thing with RPMS, as well as installing or upgrading them. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of des Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Installing tar At 13:41 28/03/2003 Friday -0500, you wrote: MM, When instaling tar, I decompress with Konqueror and place the decompressed file in a self made directory. Then I link it to the desktop. Is there no better way to do this? It works, but I think sometimes (like with opera), I lack dependicies. I use for the moment mdk 8.1 Download Edition, but waiting for 9.1 Pro. BB, Toran Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi Toran, How are you using konqueror to extract the tar? If you mean using konqueror to read and extract a tar archive via cut and paste, you will often get 'expected directory, found file' errors. Always open a terminal and tar the archive via the command line; this way you will also be able to use the arguments as you see fit. Regards, Dez Sharp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update]
yeah, I am in the same boat... accept i charge 90 an hour.. minimium one hour charge... (WA is the ass of the world.. so we can charge more.. :-) still its pointless work.. people don't learn, they are back with the next one a couple of months later.. so it bores me nowdays.. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 3:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update] On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 05:36, Frankie wrote: I bet a heap of people fall for it anyway rgds Franki Hate to say it, but mate, I'll make $75 per cleaning - so it ain't no skin offa my nose - I just plug'em into my network, run f-prot on that box, and voila!, they're done (unless I have to do a re-install, then it's an extra $110) -- Tue Apr 1 05:45:00 EST 2003 05:45:01 up 10 days, 17:32, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.20, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Some men feel that the only thing they owe the woman who marries them is a grudge. -- Helen Rowland Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
It's IBM T20 P3 700MHz, 256M RAM, 12G HD, Mandrake9.0. What I meant by 'hot swap' is replacing cdrom by floppy drive in T20 bay on the fly (there is just one bay so you can have either cdrom or floppy drive in). I found on www.linux-laptom.net this ain't working but you can first suspend it, change drives and wake it up. It works but ... sometime after wake up LCD is out of sync so I switch to other console (ctrl+alt+f1) and even there I see screen devided to 3 section vertically and has prompt 3 times. When I try to switch back to KDE, I either find it ok or still out of sync. The same happens when I suspend it by closing LCD few times during a day if I have to go somewhere. Martin --- H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 March 2003 18:36, m wrote: This is what I was hoping for ... unfortunately it ain't happening in my case yet, but I can tell you in most cases I had to reboot my Win2k laptop just because application client which I had to run daily is causing memory leak and in 2-3 weeks laptop was getting too sluggish. Martin Ok, so let's take your your's by the horns and give win2k something to worry about. First we'll need to know what Mdk version you installed. I'm betting 9.0 cause you're mentionning lousy fonts in Mozilla. Then what laptop i.e. make, cpu amount of RAM. And what exactly did you mean by hot swapping of my cdrom with floppy ain't working to the same extend as with Windows (sometimes after wakeing it up, display wouldn't get in sync at all etc etc), they're pcmcia or USB devices or what? Of course mileage will vary on different hardware but as you didn't mention an internal modem not working, your chances are pretty high to come out on top. Good hunting, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] rpm drake
Anyone know what I can do about rpm drake? It still says already installed even after I wiped out the whole system and put Mandrake 9 in fresh. I tried the urpmi code given at the Mandrake Expert site but it gave me an error, 'could not find cdrom8'. Argh Thanks, Rachel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] [Fwd: Internet Security Update]
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:30, Frankie wrote: yeah, I am in the same boat... accept i charge 90 an hour.. minimium one hour charge... (WA is the ass of the world.. so we can charge more.. :-) still its pointless work.. people don't learn, they are back with the next one a couple of months later.. so it bores me nowdays.. rgds Franki $90/hr for home users? Hmaybe I need to upgrade me costs...although, I work outta the house and don't have any overhead...but for biz, I start at $110/hr and go up to $320/hr depending on the situation... I sure don't mind a heap of $75 drop-offs - especially when it gets to be like 20 or more a week... -- Tue Apr 1 06:35:01 EST 2003 06:35:01 up 10 days, 18:22, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.13, 0.20 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Burns: Well, Simpson, I must say, once you're been through something like that with a person, you never want to see that person again. Homer: You said it, you weirdo. Mountain Madness Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpm drake
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:37, Rachel wrote: Anyone know what I can do about rpm drake? It still says already installed even after I wiped out the whole system and put Mandrake 9 in fresh. I tried the urpmi code given at the Mandrake Expert site but it gave me an error, 'could not find cdrom8'. Argh Thanks, Rachel What about doing the update source and deleting the existing bits in there and then feeding the CD's in one at a time until they're all done? BTW, what are you trying to install that ain't installed but says it's installed...? -- Tue Apr 1 06:40:00 EST 2003 06:40:00 up 10 days, 18:27, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.15, 0.18 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Bypasses are devices that allow some people to dash from point A to point B very fast while other people dash from point B to point A very fast. People living at point C, being a point directly in between, are often given to wonder what's so great about point A that so many people from point B are so keen to get there and what's so great about point B that so many people from point A are so keen to get _there. They often wish that people would just once and for all work out where the hell they wanted to be. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] rpm drake
On Monday 31 March 2003 10:37 pm, Rachel wrote: Anyone know what I can do about rpm drake? It still says already installed even after I wiped out the whole system and put Mandrake 9 in fresh. I tried the urpmi code given at the Mandrake Expert site but it gave me an error, 'could not find cdrom8'. Argh Thanks, Rachel From Mandrake's *errata* - site : Error scenario: When using urpmi or rpmdrake, there is an error about package not found before accessing the CD-ROM. Another possible error message is Everything already installed. Why: The installer misconfigured the medium description of Contribution packages. Solution: Insert the Installation CD (CD-ROM #1) and issue the command urpmi.update cdrom8 as root. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.0 - kernel 2.4.19.24 Brought to you from my 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] gpm causes mouse lockup after X run once - both 9.0 and 9.1
(I apologize if this comes through twice - it got bounced back to me as undeliverable, so I'm trying again...) RedHat 8.0 is able to use gpm (console mouse) without a problem, but Mandrake doesn't like it. If I enable it, after the system boots up, I can go into X one time, and the mouse works. Exiting X and then going back in, I have no control of the mouse. It's there on the screen, but I can't move it. If I exit X using ctrl-alt-backspace and kill gpm, the mouse is freed up. So I edited services and turned gpm off again. System is dual Pentium 233MMX. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 Flakey installs, no internet dialer etc
Didn't forget about those Gifted women Stephen. Just thought I shouldn't go into detail on the list! *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 4/1/2003 at 6:28 AM Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 06:22, Lanman wrote: Stephen? Driveways? Shovelling? I Don't think so mate! Can you say Heated Underground Parking? I know the Windsor! There's one in every major city here. If you've been to one Windsor, you been to all of them! Good Beer! BIG fights! Bad Pool tables? Sound familiar? LOL! Lanman Ya forgot the bit about the clubs where the girls pick up yer beer bottle without using their hands... (And beer in Oz is by far better than Canada or Yankland - even better than in Pommieland...too bad that most Aussie beers can't be exported to N.America) Dan LaBine President Maximum Lans [EMAIL PROTECTED] (514) 489-7825 6915 Fielding Ave. Suite # 228 Montreal, Quebec, H4V 1P4 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 Flakey installs, no internet dialer etc
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 07:48, Lanman wrote: Didn't forget about those Gifted women Stephen. Just thought I shouldn't go into detail on the list! My bad. -- Tue Apr 1 07:45:01 EST 2003 07:45:01 up 10 days, 19:32, 3 users, load average: 0.29, 0.23, 0.20 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Do you think what we're doing is wrong? Of course it's wrong! It's illegal! I've never done anything illegal before. I thought you said you were an accountant! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Win2k -LinuxLapTop was Re: [newbie] Why do you choose Linux ?
On Monday 31 March 2003 22:33, m wrote: It's IBM T20 P3 700MHz, 256M RAM, 12G HD, Mandrake9.0. What I meant by 'hot swap' is replacing cdrom by floppy drive in T20 bay on the fly (there is just one bay so you can have either cdrom or floppy drive in). I found on www.linux-laptom.net this ain't working but you can first suspend it, change drives and wake it up. It works but ... sometime after wake up LCD is out of sync so I switch to other console (ctrl+alt+f1) and even there I see screen devided to 3 section vertically and has prompt 3 times. When I try to switch back to KDE, I either find it ok or still out of sync. The same happens when I suspend it by closing LCD few times during a day if I have to go somewhere. Martin Hmm, with T20 I've no experience at all so I'm way out of my league there. I do know that IBM hosts a mailinglist for Thinkpads and linux so maybe you should check that out too. Unfortunately I don't have the URL but surely someone else here knows it..Gerard?? But then this sounds more like a memory/video setting problem, doesn't it? What graphic card does it have? Does the same happen using more lightweight windowmanagers like xfce or icewm? Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to restrict access to users using winscp2
Before I go too far and mistakenly allow somebody to delete files off my server, is there a way I can restrict access to certain directories for someone using winscp2? I have so far created a user account and given that user a password (in which I will show him how to change his password using putty first) and now I want to only allow this user to have read only access to two separate directories - and no access to any other directories (/ including!) The same two directories are shared between Win and Linux clients using smb and nfs. Win clients (smb) have read only access and Linux clients (nfs) has read-write. What restricts read access using ssh though? hosts.allow does not appear to control access to individual files/directories. I have a feeling I should create a sshusers group, but not too sure that will solve what I am attempting here. TIA Steve -- Linux user #280097 Machines #162480 #191825 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to restrict access to users using winscp2
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 10:26, Stephen Jeppesen wrote: Before I go too far and mistakenly allow somebody to delete files off my server, is there a way I can restrict access to certain directories for someone using winscp2? I have so far created a user account and given that user a password (in which I will show him how to change his password using putty first) and now I want to only allow this user to have read only access to two separate directories - and no access to any other directories (/ including!) The same two directories are shared between Win and Linux clients using smb and nfs. Win clients (smb) have read only access and Linux clients (nfs) has read-write. What restricts read access using ssh though? hosts.allow does not appear to control access to individual files/directories. I have a feeling I should create a sshusers group, but not too sure that will solve what I am attempting here. TIA Steve If someone is using SSH to access the box, it should hold true that the user would have the same perms as if they were local. You can create a particular group for this (or other SSH users) and restrict access that way - that should do the trick, mate... -- Tue Apr 1 10:25:00 EST 2003 10:25:00 up 10 days, 22:12, 3 users, load average: 0.17, 0.34, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Distrust all those who love you extremely upon a very slight acquaintance and without any visible reason. -- Lord Chesterfield Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another very naive question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Someone says at Desktoplinux.com Forum, If you feel frustated on RPM's, You can choose Debian-based Distro. Is apt-get so powerful why many distros I have seen at Distrowatch.com using RPM's ?. Only few distros are Debian-based such as Libranet, Xandros. Sorry too many asking. As a newbie, I need to learn a lot. Anders Lind wrote: | dpgk and apt is superior in my opinion, anyway not as good as ports in | FreeBSD, well, over to your actual question, become root and type: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+iGANJNWEiI6aGI4RAvo0AJ9DrjWl42yT71EEyhuvdO4zuVTMOwCfWia9 +HQT3cypqWQNPGQdLQdQk3I= =oiKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have uninstalled Mozilla-1.1 and Galeon-1.2.5 from Mandrake 9.0 to install Mozilla-1.3 (source) from Moz's site. I like installing from source to avoid this dependencies. This dependencies sometimes make me ~ headache. I imagine Bill Gates laugh at me. :( Bob wrote: | Hi Listers | I've downloaded and tried to install mozilla-1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm on my MDK 9.0 | box. Here is my list of unsatisfied dependencies. | | error: failed dependencies: | libnspr4 = 1.3-1mdk is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | libnss3 = 1.3-1mdk is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | gtk+2 = 2.2.0 is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | libXft.so.2 is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | libXrandr.so.2 is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | libfontconfig.so.1 is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by mozilla-1.3-1mdk | mozilla = 1.1 is needed by galeon-1.2.5-8mdk | mozilla = 1.1-10mdk is needed by mozilla-mail-1.1-10mdk | mozilla = 1.1-10mdk is needed by mozilla-irc-1.1-10mdk | libgtksuperwin.so is needed by galeon-1.2.5-8mdk | | When you guru's are faced with the same thing do you have a better solution | than to chase down each of these files one by one? | | TIA | | Bob | | | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+iGY2JNWEiI6aGI4RApTDAJ9MpVzz+LXRIX8PBb/gSNvvJunPRwCfad+Z /Sk6tD1fUFHCuoTsq7MSDac= =DVZ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
The latest Nvidia drivers I have seen for Dolphin. Does it work for Bamboo ?. Stephen Kuhn wrote: Just don't format your /home partition. If you've not set a partition aside for your /home, backup everything in your /home directories, blow out the entire thing, and start fresh. Get the latest NVidia drivers (ooNVidia is soo nice) and you'll be right mate. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] which shell?
I like zsh. Moshe -Original Message- From: eric huff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] which shell? Hi Folks, I know this is a wide open, there's-no-real-answer question, but what is your favorite shell these days? Way back, i liked tcsh the best, but i get the feeling most people use bash. Any suggestions? thanks, huff This message is processed by the PrivaWall Email Security Server. The information contained in this communication is proprietary to Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. and/or third parties, may contain confidential or privileged information, and is intended only for the use of the intended addressee thereof. If you are not the intended addressee, please be aware that any use, disclosure, distribution and/or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer. Thank you. This message is processed by the PrivaWall Email Security Server. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HELP-BIOS can't recognize new HD
The latest beta BIOS for the P5A and the P5A-B will recognise large hard drives. I'M running one of each with 40Gb Maxtor discs (Under W98) with no difficulties.(other than the MS related ones!) The BIOS is No 1011.005 and can be downloaded from http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P5A Be warned that the ASUS site is probably one of the most annoying that you are likely to come across - it seems to be designed to hide the information you are looking for and each page takes an eternity to load! If you can find your way into the German FTP site things go much quicker. There's also more to choose from. Ian In the interests of economy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. - Original Message - From: todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] HELP-BIOS can't recognize new HD On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:05 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:33:38 -0500 todd slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anybody knows of a good but cheap mobo that will support large hard drives and take an AMD [EMAIL PROTECTED], and at least 512MB RAM, I'm all ears. Todd, another option be to get an add-on pci ide controller card. Since they operate with there own bios they would be able to bypass the hd limitations of your mobo bios. You can find them online for $25 or less. Charles That's a great tip, thanks Charles! I'm going to check it out soon as I get some thorns pulled out! Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE and Gnome hangs
I did a fresh install of 9.1, and then I get prompted for a username/password and sesison type I would like to use. The sesison type choices are KDE, GNome, IceWm, failsafe, and defualt. The only things that work are failsafe and IceWm. When I try to login with KDE or Gnome, the cursor turns to a busy cursor and the background is the splash screen and I can hear the hardrive reading and writing, but this goes on for more than my patience (which is 20 mins). I went through IceWm and through the system configure tools and installed all packages under the Graphical Environment (KDE, GNOME) (45 MB in all) . But still the same problem. Any ideas? I'm totally new to installing linux, so I'm totally lost. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] trouble with locale/fonts
Hi! I happen to live in a corner of the world that does use latin alphabet but also does add quite many letters that are specific to our language (Estonian). 9.1 seems to have broken support for this locale: - KDE is mostly OK, except for some apps - Fluxbox menu has no special letters at all, in most cases just one letter is missing, in some cases whole word after this letter is gone, thus making the menu unreadable. - in Gnucash I can enter everything as I like but my old datafile has lost all special letters and reports do not show them anyway. I read that 9.1 uses UTF. Maybe that is the problem? How to change it? Also, fonts in KDE are really beautiful but GTK apps look very bad. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] re: why do I use linux
Its FUN! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Want to upgrade to 9.1
On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 13:24, Terry Smith wrote: As always, excellent advice from Derek. It looks like there may be an easier way to go as of today. NVIDIA has announced an automated shell script which will automagically check your machine, select and install the right drivers. See http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_ia32_1.0-4349 I haven't tried it but a friend at work who is on day two of his linux newbie career managed to get his GEForce4 up and running by simply executing the script. Good for Nvidia! Terry Smith Hatchville, MA I reckon if it's that easy, I won't trust it. Going to write my own driver for their card in assembly code which should take about two years of time. -- Tue Apr 1 17:50:00 EST 2003 17:50:00 up 11 days, 5:37, 3 users, load average: 0.36, 0.43, 0.34 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** In buying horses and taking a wife shut your eyes tight and commend yourself to God. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
