Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update not possible
On Thursday 10 July 2003 11:56, you wrote: Rosario Balboa wrote: I ghot the same problem, but in Add a source there's relative path to synthesis/hdlist, what is this?Could you give me a couple nice URL with their synthesis/hdlist whatever this is? Somebody posted a link to an excellent page with a utility that calculates the commands you need to add sources for just about anything (including Texstar and PLF) - you just have to choose your mirror, then paste the result code into a terminal. Unfortunately the bookmark is on my office computer ... Sir Robin Was it this one? http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php Hope so, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Module Dependencies?
On Sunday 06 July 2003 14:45, you wrote: I tried to install Mandrake 9.1 which I downloaded off of various FTPs listed on the www.mandrakelinux.com website a few days ago. The install went smoothly, just about everything was working except my sound card (according to the installation program), but when I restarted it stuck on Checking Module Dependencies or something similar (I can't remember what it was exactly, but Module Dependencies does stand out in my mind). Now, I told it to boot the GUI automatically and I only installed off of three CDs am I missing some? I have a redhat distrib. with about 6 CDs and that worked fine for me. So basically, how do I get this distrib to boot? What have I done wrong this time? Thanks for any help you may be able to give me including something like stick with windows you moron! ;) Brian This happened to me with my install of 7.2 back in the day, and I know it's happened one other time, too. I used to have to wait for almost ten minutes on the module dependencies. My temporary recommendation: let the computer sit after startup for an hour. If it works, sweet, and you can figure out how to troubleshoot the slowness from there. If not, you know you have some install problems to deal with. Having to just force-reboot each time you get annoyed at the wait can cause some major problems, so I say let it sit for an hour (massively exaggerated, but do it just to do it) and see what happens. Good luck. One, Isaac I mighta been born here but I'm a foreigner. - The Coup, 5 Million Ways to Kill a CEO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] asf player?
Is there a media player for L-M that can play .asf files? My sister's HS graduation is in .asf format and I'm trying to figure out a way to view it on this box. Worst case scenario I think I can get someone to convert it, but if it's viewable that would rule. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts
On Thursday 19 June 2003 13:15, you wrote: On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 5:23 pm, Crak600 - Michael wrote: On Thursday 19 June 2003 12:03 pm, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:35:15 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this worries me, I here a lot of Maxtor's failing on this list... I've noticed that too..think I've seen it on other lists also. Cust serv said This drive's proven to be very solid... wow, that hearing that makes me glad i didn't order Maxtor drives. I went with WD and am waiting for a 2nd one right now. has anyone heard anything bad about the WD drives? my current one was new when installed and has been in the computer for 2-3 months with no problems so far. Thanks. Yup - you should hear what some people say about WD. I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a good hard-drive manufacturer. There are scare stories about all of them. So, you have to buy something. Anne In my experience working with a wide range of hardware, Maxtor is just about the bottom of the barrel. Seagate (Barracuda IV is excellent) is the top of the line for IDE drives, and WD isn't bad at all. When all you go by is the complaints you hear, everything will sound relatively equal, but working with a large quantity and a wide range of drives you start to see distinct tiers in quality, with Maxtor coming out on bottom of virtually any head-to-head comparison. I had a frequent flier that used to get confused about Maxtor vs. Matrox, one being a terrible hard drive manufacturer and the other being an exceptional (non-3d) graphics card manufacturer. He would come in with these new hard drives to be installed and I would have to re-explain every time that they had nothing to do with one another. Maxtor bad, Matrox good. Isaac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts
On Thursday 19 June 2003 11:49, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:45:04 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Go here and configure all your sources: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php 2. then as root, urpmi [packagename] make sure you add texstar, that's where the msfont and msfont-style rpm come from. Been there did that... but I didn't see texstar listed for 9.0 Texstar isn't available for 8.0 either, which puts me out of luck. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts
On Thursday 19 June 2003 08:03, you wrote: If you install packages built for the release you are using you will not get these dependency issues. If however you try to install packages built for other distros, or try using Mandrake 'Cooker' packages you will run into all sorts of problems. You do not say which release you are using I assume Mandrake 9.1? And you are trying to install arts? 8.0. I'd love to be using one of the newer less clumsy versions but have no $. I'd download a newer version (have a nice fast cable connection) but I can't download anything at all because even simple things like gaim won't install on my computer from rpm files because it says there are none of the basic libraries there (even though going to the software manager shows them all perfectly intact.) The easy way to do this is to declare a number of online 'urpmi sources' your computer can use to download and install packages and their dependencies. If you go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php and follow the instructions to select urpmi sources for 'Contrib', 'plf' and 'texstar' then you will be able to download and install hundreds of packages without any dependency problems. I did that, entered the command in the terminal, and everything worked fine until the last one which cuts out with this error message no matter which ftp source I select: No such file `hdlist2.cz'. wget of [source_url/../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz] failed no hdlist file found for medium contrib unable to update medium contrib So for example you could just type urpmi arts in a root terminal, and your system will work out that the most up to date arts available for your release is arts-1.1.2-3tex.i586.rpm in the Texstar source. It will download it as well as any dependency, and will install them all for you. Tried that after running the scripts the website gave me, and the terminal says exactly what the software manager says, that all the files are there: [EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# urpmi arts everything already installed So I don't get why any software I try to install from rpm says that I don't have any libraries or even gcc on my computer, because it's all there. in a root terminal, and your system will work out that the most up to date arts available for your release is arts-1.1.2-3tex.i586.rpm in the Texstar source. It will download it as well as any dependency, and will install them all for you. If you want to install a package which is not available in any online source. Then the best way to do it is to rebuild a .src.rpm That way it gets built with the libraries you currently have installed rpm --rebuild package-name.src.rpm As for fonts it is really quite easy now with Mandrake 9.1 Just set up the urpmi sources as I described. Ignore the Mandrake Fonts GUI you no longer need it, and just type in a root terminal urpmi msfonts msfonts-style freetype2 and all Microsofts TrueType fonts will be installed for you, as well as the 'enhanced' freetype package. Don't have 9.1, and running that command on my box with 8.0 gives me this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# urpmi msfonts msfonts-style freetype2 no package named msfonts no package named msfonts-style I'll look over some more replies and see what I can figure out. Thanks a lot for the help, just a matter of figuring out exactly what's going on. Isaac HTH derek On Wednesday 18 Jun 2003 6:02 pm, Isaac Curtis wrote: Hey all: I'm back on Mandrake after a one year hiatus (had no computer at all for that time). I feel like I'm back at square one and running into the same problems I did several years ago and I don't remember exactly how to deal with them all. At the top of the list right now are fonts and libraries. I'll start with the library problems. I can't install any downloaded packages because the computer can't seem to find any of my libraries. I get the following error trying to install some new KDE packages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# rpm -ivh arts-1* error: failed dependencies: audiofile is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgcc_s.so.1 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libglib-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgmodule-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgobject-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgthread-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libpng12.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libqt-mt.so.3 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(CXXABI_1.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1
[newbie] L-M 9.1 without CDs?
Okay, I realize that 9/10 of my problems come from the fact I'm running 8.0, but I don't have any $ to get ahold of 9.1. I've never done an install except off CDs so could someone explain to me exactly what I'm doing or RTFM me to the appropriate howto? I've gotten myself as far as this page - http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3 - now I just need to figure out what I need to DL and what I need to do with it once I've got it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] missing libraries, awkward fonts
Hey all: I'm back on Mandrake after a one year hiatus (had no computer at all for that time). I feel like I'm back at square one and running into the same problems I did several years ago and I don't remember exactly how to deal with them all. At the top of the list right now are fonts and libraries. I'll start with the library problems. I can't install any downloaded packages because the computer can't seem to find any of my libraries. I get the following error trying to install some new KDE packages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] blackstripe]# rpm -ivh arts-1* error: failed dependencies: audiofile is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgcc_s.so.1 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libglib-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgmodule-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgobject-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libgthread-2.0.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libpng12.so.0 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libqt-mt.so.3 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(CXXABI_1.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2.2) is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libvorbisenc.so.2 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 libvorbisfile.so.3 is needed by arts-1.1.2-0.9x.1 Now, of course all those files are on my computer. I haven't been out of the game for that long! But why can't the computer find them? I installed everything just to avoid hassles (including obscure outdated email clients and every singlne language version of staroffice, which were later cleaned out, but the point is that EVERYTHING is here). What can I do to fix this so that I can get going on updates? The second problem is with fonts, I know I used to have to tinker around a bit to get the anti-aliasing running and to get support for the basic internet fonts. Where do I go to find that stuff out again? Any help on these two issues would be much appreciated, most all of the other basics are taken care of. Thanks for your time. Isaac PS: This should be sending in plaintext-- if it's not I'm embarassed/sorry, I think I set it to plaintext earlier but now I can't find the option in KMail. Yell at me if I messed up and I'll fix it straightaway. Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Where can I download Ximian Evolution?
I'm running 7.2 Power Pack and it doesn't come on the CD. The only version I can find online is in debian format. Can L-M do .deb? If not, where can I find this program? KMail is driving me up the freaking wall and everyone's telling me this is the direction I need to go, I just need help finding the thing! Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] What version (distro?) to run on my new box?
All right folks, I'm about to order all the parts for my new machine, and I'm going to order the OS along with it. What do I order? I'm open to anything. I would be very interested in beginning a Debian learning curve, so that's one possibility. If I stay with Mandrake (which is where I'm leaning heavily) I am *VERY* curious which version you all think I should use. I have heard of various problems in each release, and being bug-free is a major issue for me. I'll be giving L-M a hefty chunk of money (I'm thinking PowerPack, unless one of you recommends otherwise) so I don't want to have to put up with any bullshit. I'm more than happy (in fact I prefer) to configure everything from the command line, but I just want to find a version that maximizes hardware support, stability, and usability. I'm always psyched to learn more about Linux, but I don't consider spending eight hours online trying to patch up lousy AC '97 audio support part of my learning process. With the amount of time I had to spend downloading software upgrades to make 7.2 work I may as well have learned to program and written all the drivers myself. In all honesty, though, I love Mandrake. The frustrations are welcome in the early stages, but at this point I would like to be spending more time learning how to do things cleanly and concisely from the command line now that I feel I am progressing to a certain level of proficiency (3 on a 1-10 scale IMO... but that's not bad for Linux). I want to begin to develop my skills as a Linux user without being hampered by the fact that EveryBuddy won't display who's actually online, that KMail won't thread messages, or that some automated tool or other has tinkered with my routing tables without permission again. I don't mind (in fact I enjoy) tackling one or two of these little projects a week, but right now I feel like there are so many little projects that they have become obstacles to my learning process. So, to trim all of this down to one neat little sentence: I'm looking for a Linux distribtion, preferably Mandrake, that will provide a moderately bug-free existence while allowing me to flesh out my rudimentary command line skills in a way that will allow me to gain an inter-distributionary (yes, I know I made that up) understanding of Linux. I've got the money to blow on a PowerPack if that's necessary, and a broadband connection to download freebies if it's not. Where do I go from here? Many thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 8.2 installation, and desktop
(response below quote) On Wednesday 21 August 2002 23:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am a linux newbie, and I am very interested in learning linux. I downloaded Linux 8.2, and i tried installing it but it has about 5 errors while installing the packages. Installation went through fine, and the packages didnt seem to cause much effect. When I rebooted my PC after installing linux 8.2, the boot screen came up in which i chose linux (by the way i have linux and windows on a dual boot. Windows 20 gigs, and linux 18 gigs). I was on mandrakes tutorial from the site, and I saw that after installation it started talking about the first time wizard, and stuff... Which seems to be the linux desktop. When i rebooted. It made me go into the linux console, and i donnot know how to get to the linux-like desktop. It keeps putting me in the dos-like area which someone said was the console. I typed startx as someone instructed me to do from an IRC help channel. It said that the! re was an error... and it didnt run startx. It said errno2, and also had errno3. Directory not found or something. Im not sure whether this is happening because of the installation package errors or something. Anyways I went back to irc help channel, and i stated this problem. They told me that linux would boot into the desktop if my video was ok. I told them i had a nvidia video card, and they told me to update the drivers for it... I donno what to do. Im not sure if its the drivers or not. I am running A 1003 mhz computer (about 1ghz) with AMD athlon processor (T-BIRD). I have 38.9 GB of HDD, and 256MB of RAM. Also, I was wondering if Mandrake 9.0 would be better for me to install... I always like to have the most upgraded version. However im not sure if its buggy... I would love to have 9.0 but i want to make sure i wont have tons of errors.. I know it is in beta right now. If you think Mandrake 9.0 doesnt have many bugs or errors, and it would be a better upgrade t! hen 8.2, please tell me. I have alot of things I would like information on, so I would like if a supporter could spend some time to help. I went through some linux tutorials but xtra help is always good. First i need to get out of the console :). Also... I was wondering if i could get AOL to run on linux.. Ok I know AOL Lamers... bla bla bla, but its the only thing i got :(, And please dont laugh at me. I was thinkking WINE, or win4lin could do the job... Could it? Please help me with the installation process... and how to make everything work correctly. My computer is about 1 year old, and i shouldnt have much problem. Please email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I would appreciate it very much. Ive never used this post thing, so im not sure if this will come out in like a message board, but if it does respond to my email please instead of the post. Once again my email is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would appreciate any help I could get on installing Mandrake linux :) There are some whack issues with nVidia cards, at least there were on earlier versions. When you installed, did you do a video/monitor test? I know it prompts you for those in 7.2 and 8.0, but I'm still a year behind the curve so I haven't seen any of this bleeding-edge 8.2 gadgetry (aka I am too poor and on too slow of a connection to upgrade... lol). Anyway, if you didnt do that test you should pop the startup CDs in again, skip right to the video test step and make sure you get your video card and monitor configured properly. It will be very, very easy with a new system and it might solve your problem entirely. Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Can I switch my IDE controllers?
Right now I've got my HP 9100 CD-RW plugged into Primary Master, Windows IBM Deskstar 30 Gig on Secondary Master with this Linux HD, a Maxtor 20, on Secondary Slave. I did this because I originally wasn't able to get either the IBM HD or the CD drive (I can't remember which, it was over a year ago) to run right in the more normal configuration of Primary=HD / Secondary=CD. I know much more about PC hardware stuff now, so I'm thinking about popping the lid and switching the hard drives over to Primary and the CD-RW to Secondary. I have to change the floppy cable anyway, so this would be a good time to do it. My question is: Is there any risk involved in switching these IDE/ATAPI drives around? Could I lose or damage data? Will my Linux bootloader be looking on the Secondary Slave controller for the hard drive when I try to go to Linux? If there's anything I should worry about, please let me know. Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Can I switch my IDE controllers?
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 21:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaac Curtis wrote: Right now I've got my HP 9100 CD-RW plugged into Primary Master, Windows IBM Deskstar 30 Gig on Secondary Master with this Linux HD, a Maxtor 20, on Secondary Slave. I did this because I originally wasn't able to get either the IBM HD or the CD drive (I can't remember which, it was over a year ago) to run right in the more normal configuration of Primary=HD / Secondary=CD. I know much more about PC hardware stuff now, so I'm thinking about popping the lid and switching the hard drives over to Primary and the CD-RW to Secondary. I have to change the floppy cable anyway, so this would be a good time to do it. My question is: Is there any risk involved in switching these IDE/ATAPI drives around? Could I lose or damage data? Will my Linux bootloader be looking on the Secondary Slave controller for the hard drive when I try to go to Linux? If there's anything I should worry about, please let me know. Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com In itself there should be no problems but and it's a BIG BUT Your Linux is on /dev/hdd and the boot-loader is on /dev/hdc I am not sure what will happen as far as the loader is concerned it may load anyway. Problem is it will look on /dev/hdd for Linux and you will have moved it to /dev/hdb so, even if the loader does start up it won't find Linux. I am fairly sure you could edit some files, probably /etc/fstab and also /etc/lilo.conf amd run /sbin/lilo BEFORE you change over the connector. WARNING THIS MAY NOT BE ALL YOU NEED TO DO hth, norm Alright, In the worst case scenario (nothing boots) could I simply plug the controllers back where they were and have everything be fine and dandy again? Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Software database?
I've been eyeing Debian a little bit lately, and came across this page (http://packages.debian.org/stable/) which was really enticing. It is EXACTLY the kind of page I have been looking for forever for Mandrake-Linux and just in general. I even went to the efforts of drawing out on paper the kinds of software I'd want loaded on a site like this with the intention of perhaps arranging such a site myself (until I found this one at debian.org). Does L-M have a page like this? I'm looking for a simple way to find upgrades for every single piece of software that comes with the various packages of Mandrake. Anyone know where to direct me? Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server
On Sunday 18 August 2002 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaac Curtis wrote: On Sunday 18 August 2002 01:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to have a fast internet connection soon and would like to be able to provide friends/family with dialup internet access using a comp at my place as the server. Is this possible? What hardware do I need? What software do I need to learn? RTFM all you wish, I'd actually appreciate it, I just don't even know what I'm looking for at this point. Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Okay, I just read Josh Gentry's Linux Dialin Server Setup Guide (http://www.swcp.com/~jgentry/pers.html) which seems like it'd be fine and dandy if I had just one modem and just one person looking to leech off my connection, but in my case I've got two and I have to assume it's a little more complicated. Do I need an additional modem for the extra piggybacker? An additional phone line? I know all users dial a normal ISP at the same number so that doesn't make much sense, and I have no idea about just how many modems are sitting in the server room of a local station so I really am at a very introductory level here. Any manual referrals or straight information would be great. Thanks, Isaac Isaac, The very first question you really need to get answered is, Is my ISP going to sit still for this? Depending on who your cable internet service is going to be, if indeed it is cable service you're going to be getting, most do not allow their customers to do what you're thinking about. In fact they're so anul about this that they don't even allow their customers to operate their own personal webservers while connected to their service. So, I have real strong doubts as to whether or not you're going to be able to do what you're suggesting. Mark a.k.a. daRcmaTTeR Like I said in my other email, if there's a legitimate concern about being caught I won't carry it forward, but I do want to set it up once just to learn how. My interest is in learning how to do it much more than it is helping out the two households who I'd like to provide free service for. I certainly wouldn't be charging for it or anything dirty like that, I'd just really like to learn how to do it so that I learn the ins and outs and the hardware/software tools involved. Even if all I get to do is tinker around for a weekend getting it setup, the gratification of learning how to do it is all I'm really looking for. I'm not interested in getting in any trouble (and certainly not in losing my cable internet!) so I won't do anything too rotten. Still, most every ISP, broadband or otherwise, explicitly bars one from sharing their connection on a home network-- and I'm sure most all of you do that. Six one, half dozen the other to me. I won't do anything that'd risk getting caught, though, I just want to learn how to do it for learning's sake. Peace. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Isaac
On Sunday 18 August 2002 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaac, You are fighting an uphill battle Who is your isp that you are going to be getting and are you allowed to provide network services on your internet connection. Please check it out before you do it. :) Hehe yeah right. I realize the issues involved, but I figure most all of you split the connection for your home network where it's used by all family members, so it's really not very different. If there's a legitimate concern about being caught, I won't continue it for any amount of time. The real interest is just in learning how to do it, even if I don't actually keep it running. Peace/One Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server
On Sunday 18 August 2002 12:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to run an ISP I also have my system configured so I can dial into it while I am on the road. This gives me internet and mail access. (I have a T1 with my own mail server) You are going to run into a few of problems with your idea. 1. It is probably against the user agreement of your isp. 2. You will need additional phone lines at your location ($12-$15 each) 3. You will need to have the phone company roll over all calls to your extra lines to 1 number. 4. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE THAN 33.6K CONNECTIONS to your friends and family without digital lines at your location. In order to get the fast 56k, you gotta be digital (at least on the dial-in server side) 5. Without setting up your own mail server, you will not be able to provide email addresses for your clients You will run into more. If your motive for this project is to learn about dial up servers, it is a great project. If your motive is profit, forget it. Hire a professional to do the setup. Todd 1. As is what I (and most all of you) are doing right now in our own homes-- sharing the connection among multiple computers on a LAN. User agreements be damned. 2. That's cool, if I actually went through with this as a middle-term thing I'd have to ask people to pick up the cost of the phone line. Still, it may just end up being a weekend endeavor playing around to get it set up and using my home's phone line to do it on. 3. There are only two households I'd be doing this for, but I also don't understand exactly what you mean. Can you explain? 4. Will a 33.6k connection shared by 2 modem clients (using the connection remotely) and my house (using the cable connection directly of course) provide service comparable to a busy local dialup ISP? If not, how significant would the difference be? If significant, what does being digital entail? 5. Both households (my family + my best friend his wife) use internet mail accounts like hotmail already, so it wouldn't really matter. Still... if I could learn how to set up the mail server, that would be pretty darn cool. What would it involve? Last but not least-- profit is ABSOLUTELY of no interest. I wouldn't be charging a penny, this is my best friend and my family I'm talking about. If I charged them a thing it would only be way after I had completely learned how to do this cleanly and the only thing I'd be asking for was the exact amount necessary to pay the extra two phone bills. I'd also never even consider suggesting they use me as a primary source of internet access until I completely knew what I was doing and could be sure I'd be giving them something better than what they're getting elsewhere. A major issue is that both households are having some money problems and while I'm helping out every way that I can, this would be one more load off their backs. If I can get my hack on and help my friends at the same time, I'm all about it. Hope to hear from you soon. Peace. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server
-Original Message- From: Isaac Curtis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17/08/02 11:11 PM Subject: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server I am going to have a fast internet connection soon and would like to be able to provide friends/family with dialup internet access using a comp at my place as the server. Is this possible? What hardware do I need? What software do I need to learn? RTFM all you wish, I'd actually appreciate it, I just don't even know what I'm looking for at this point. Peace, Isaac On Sunday 18 August 2002 13:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Isaac! Its a pretty simple solution. the server is a very very small part of it/ all you need is server (small pentium) running somethign like radius. Next you need modems for your people to connect too. now depending on the speed you want them to have, this could be something like a portmaster 2 or portmaster 3. ( one is 56 K and the other you could plug 33600 external modems to. ) In my opinon.. just use the 33600 modems. Oh ya and you are going to also need phone lines Email me back if you want more info. I have both of these units if you need one. Dan Well, I've got a Zoom 56 dualmode external faxmodem that obviously runs under Linux, so as long as that can do the 33.6 thing too I should be okay. (Can it?) I will need to go out and buy a second one, but not until I've played around with this stuff for a few months and am confident it's actually going to be worth the money for the modem to me and the phone line to them. Why do you recommend the 33.6 modem? My only concern is I don't want to be giving them half-assed service because these are my friends and family I'm talking about, not paying customers. What will the difference be to them between 33.6 56k? Since I'm going to have loads of extra bandwidth with this high speed connection, will that translate into slightly better speeds for my friends? I mean, when they (or I, for that matter) call their current dialup ISPs, are they realizing the absolute maximum bandwidth possible under 56k (or 33600) technology? I'm asking this really poorly, so I'll try to do it all in one simple sentence: All other things being equal, will two households dialing in to share my moderately fast but barely used cable connection realize faster or slower speeds than those same two households dialing into a busy local ISP server with thousands of customers sharing a blazing fast T1? I've got the small Pentium already, PII-266 with 160MB (I can give you all the specs if you'd like, and you can tell me if I need to upgrade). Any info you could possibly offer would be amazing, this was a really helpful email. Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server
On Sunday 18 August 2002 13:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any decent modem can do 33.6 in both directions.. as for speed, there is not alot of difference in 33.6 to 56, especially since no one ever gets 56k anyway.. they shouldn't really know the difference. Your PC is fine, you could probably get away with less then that for this purpose. As for wether or not it is faster then a busy ISP, it will be close, but it depends on the ISP. There would not be a huge amount in it, when I had my setup, I was still getting 4k downloads. Do some tests first to see on your results, depends on your phone lines too,, when you get them, try to ask for data lines, we did here and we got a cleaner connection.. (but I have ADSL now, so its not relivant any more.) hope that helps, regards Frank Thanks a lot for the info (re: 33 vs. 56k). My only additional question raised by this email is about the data lines. What does that mean? Is it something I just ask the phone company to do when they put the phone line in? Does it cost more? Is it something that's available in all areas? Thanks again for the help. Isaac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Isaac Curtis Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server -Original Message- From: Isaac Curtis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17/08/02 11:11 PM Subject: [newbie] I want to be a dialup server I am going to have a fast internet connection soon and would like to be able to provide friends/family with dialup internet access using a comp at my place as the server. Is this possible? What hardware do I need? What software do I need to learn? RTFM all you wish, I'd actually appreciate it, I just don't even know what I'm looking for at this point. Peace, Isaac On Sunday 18 August 2002 13:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Isaac! Its a pretty simple solution. the server is a very very small part of it/ all you need is server (small pentium) running somethign like radius. Next you need modems for your people to connect too. now depending on the speed you want them to have, this could be something like a portmaster 2 or portmaster 3. ( one is 56 K and the other you could plug 33600 external modems to. ) In my opinon.. just use the 33600 modems. Oh ya and you are going to also need phone lines Email me back if you want more info. I have both of these units if you need one. Dan Well, I've got a Zoom 56 dualmode external faxmodem that obviously runs under Linux, so as long as that can do the 33.6 thing too I should be okay. (Can it?) I will need to go out and buy a second one, but not until I've played around with this stuff for a few months and am confident it's actually going to be worth the money for the modem to me and the phone line to them. Why do you recommend the 33.6 modem? My only concern is I don't want to be giving them half-assed service because these are my friends and family I'm talking about, not paying customers. What will the difference be to them between 33.6 56k? Since I'm going to have loads of extra bandwidth with this high speed connection, will that translate into slightly better speeds for my friends? I mean, when they (or I, for that matter) call their current dialup ISPs, are they realizing the absolute maximum bandwidth possible under 56k (or 33600) technology? I'm asking this really poorly, so I'll try to do it all in one simple sentence: All other things being equal, will two households dialing in to share my moderately fast but barely used cable connection realize faster or slower speeds than those same two households dialing into a busy local ISP server with thousands of customers sharing a blazing fast T1? I've got the small Pentium already, PII-266 with 160MB (I can give you all the specs if you'd like, and you can tell me if I need to upgrade). Any info you could possibly offer would be amazing, this was a really helpful email. Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] System Support Checklist
On Sunday 18 August 2002 13:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 18 August 2002 12:00 pm, you wrote: On Friday 16 August 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote: On Friday 16 August 2002 07:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you checked the systems at wallmart.com? no monitor (add whatever you want) but the computers w/mandrake installed are a hard price to beat. even as a reseller, with out volume discounts I cannot beat the price. I feel you but I'm building this myself so I get to deduct the cost of labor from those machines. Plus the parts in those systems are garbage. They are good enough to run Linux, but they rarely outlive their warranties. Even when it only saves me $100 or so, I like building it myself to know it was done right and with high quality parts. Peace. Isaac if all you save is 100.00, then you (may should) have some questions as to the quality of what you get. It does not hurt me at all to fess to that... how much can you charge in labor to put together pieces that could be purchased (assembled and configured) for less than you can purchase the pieces individuly? I cann't seem to find what exact MObo and brand of Harddrive or Mem. theese are suposed to have, so I am wondering about where you get your evidence about the parts in those systems are garbage. and if you think you can save a buck building it yourself, without a good volume discount, I bet we would all like to see how you do that. I went to Mwave.com and priced out (roughly) what I think the Walmart.com system would cost in parts (I think Mwave is quality with reasonable (if not the best) prices) WallMart sytemMwave Price AMD Duron 1.3 GHz processor 64.00 200 MHz frontside bus MoBo 128 MB SDRAM, expandable to 1GB 30.00 40 GB Ultra ATA-100 hard drive, 5400 rpm 80.00 (total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment) 52x CD-ROM drive 40.00 3.5-inch floppy disk drive15.00 Integrated 10/100 Ethernet connection Mobo PCI 56 Kbps Hardware modem35.00 Integrated Trident Blade 2-D/3-D graphics Mobo Up to 8 MB shared video memoryMobo Integrated 3-D enhanced sound Mobo Micro ATX Tower Case (7.06 W x 14.7 D x 13.8 H)35.00 Total drive bays: two 5.25-inch external, two 3.5-inch external and one Case 3.5-inch internal Available drive bays: 5.25-inch external and 3.5-inch external, 3.5-inch Case internal Total slots: 3 PCIMobo Available slots: 2 PCIMobo High-speed serial portMobo Parallel port Mobo 2 USB ports Mobo Game port Mobo 104-key keyboard 10.00 2-button mouse w/wheel10.00 Audio port (line-in, line-out, mic-in)Mobo Stereo speakers 15.00 Mobo75.00 now, unless I added something twice, or my numbers are way wrong (and I ain't sure about a PCI hardware modem for 35.00, I did not see that and really did not look, might be a few bucks more, but heck you might decide to use an HSP modem for 35.00, 80.00 bucks is the price for the second modem you will use grin), without paying for anyone's time or shipping of individual parts, it seems to work out to $ 394.00, without really good parts, like an antec case or fancy (read clean) powersupply. (speaking of lasting past the warrenty) same machine, built configured and ready for yo to resell, (hint) 428.00. hm how much are you thinking of making? I think I might have expressed myself wrong-- I'm not charging anyone for labor. I'm saying that I am able to buy more/better parts for the same price because I am only paying for parts whereas one who purchases from a store is really paying for parts + labor. Furthermore, I only use high quality parts. I don't care if I'm building a $600 glorified word processor, I don't use the junk that Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. slap in their computers. They use name
Re: [newbie] Modem help
On Sunday 18 August 2002 12:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when i use kppp i push connect and it says modem ready then it says sorry, the modem doesnt respond anyone know why it says this? im guessing its cause i dont have my modem drivers setup right or something. any help is great Thanks Okay, I get to ask the stupid questions: 1. Is it plugged into your serial port? 2. Is it plugged into the same serial port it was plugged into when you first used it? (if you're not sure, unplug it and stick it in the other port to check, this has happened to me before) 3. Is it plugged in to its AC adapter, and is the adapter plugged into the wall? 4. Is it turned on? 5. Is it connected to a working, unoccupied phone line? If so, take the cord that is plugged into your modem right now and plug it into a telephone to make sure it gets a dial tone. I'm sure none of that helps, but every once in a while it's something very simple like this. If this doesn't solve it you're going to actually have to find someone who knows what they're talking about to help you. Good luck. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] System Support Checklist
***OFF TOPIC ALERT*** ***don't read if you're not interested*** On Sunday 18 August 2002 16:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 18 August 2002 02:30 pm, you wrote: On Sunday 18 August 2002 13:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 18 August 2002 12:00 pm, you wrote: On Friday 16 August 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote: On Friday 16 August 2002 07:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you checked the systems at wallmart.com? no monitor (add whatever you want) but the computers w/mandrake installed are a hard price to beat. even as a reseller, with out volume discounts I cannot beat the price. I feel you but I'm building this myself so I get to deduct the cost of labor from those machines. Plus the parts in those systems are garbage. They are good enough to run Linux, but they rarely outlive their warranties. Even when it only saves me $100 or so, I like building it myself to know it was done right and with high quality parts. Peace. Isaac if all you save is 100.00, then you (may should) have some questions as to the quality of what you get. It does not hurt me at all to fess to that... how much can you charge in labor to put together pieces that could be purchased (assembled and configured) for less than you can purchase the pieces individuly? I cann't seem to find what exact MObo and brand of Harddrive or Mem. theese are suposed to have, so I am wondering about where you get your evidence about the parts in those systems are garbage. and if you think you can save a buck building it yourself, without a good volume discount, I bet we would all like to see how you do that. I went to Mwave.com and priced out (roughly) what I think the Walmart.com system would cost in parts (I think Mwave is quality with reasonable (if not the best) prices) WallMart sytem Mwave Price AMD Duron 1.3 GHz processor 64.00 200 MHz frontside busMoBo 128 MB SDRAM, expandable to 1GB 30.00 40 GB Ultra ATA-100 hard drive, 5400 rpm 80.00 (total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment) 52x CD-ROM drive 40.00 3.5-inch floppy disk drive 15.00 Integrated 10/100 Ethernet connectionMobo PCI 56 Kbps Hardware modem 35.00 Integrated Trident Blade 2-D/3-D graphics Mobo Up to 8 MB shared video memory Mobo Integrated 3-D enhanced soundMobo Micro ATX Tower Case (7.06 W x 14.7 D x 13.8 H) 35.00 Total drive bays: two 5.25-inch external, two 3.5-inch external and one Case 3.5-inch internal Available drive bays: 5.25-inch external and 3.5-inch external, 3.5-inch Case internal Total slots: 3 PCI Mobo Available slots: 2 PCI Mobo High-speed serial port Mobo Parallel portMobo 2 USB ports Mobo Game portMobo 104-key keyboard 10.00 2-button mouse w/wheel 10.00 Audio port (line-in, line-out, mic-in) Mobo Stereo speakers 15.00 Mobo75.00 now, unless I added something twice, or my numbers are way wrong (and I ain't sure about a PCI hardware modem for 35.00, I did not see that and really did not look, might be a few bucks more, but heck you might decide to use an HSP modem for 35.00, 80.00 bucks is the price for the second modem you will use grin), without paying for anyone's time or shipping of individual parts, it seems to work out to $ 394.00, without really good parts, like an antec case or fancy (read clean) powersupply. (speaking of lasting past the warrenty) same machine, built configured and ready for yo to resell, (hint) 428.00. hm how much are you thinking of making? I think I might have expressed myself wrong-- I'm not charging anyone for labor. I'm saying that I am able to buy more/better parts for the same price because I am
Re: [newbie] Messages won't thread in KMail
On Saturday 17 August 2002 03:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 Aug 2002 3:36 am, you wrote: I can't get my messages to thread in KMail. I've tried unchecking and rechecking the option to no avail, as well as restarting X and the entire machine. Any ideas? Isaac Works in mine - but if you filter into different folders you will need to check it for each folder. HTH Anne I thought you were on to something for a sec, but I just checked and everything was already in order. Any other ideas? It used to work fine but the last time I logged in they were all flat and I haven't been able to re-thread them since. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Messages won't thread in KMail
On Saturday 17 August 2002 08:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Isaac Curtis wrote: On Saturday 17 August 2002 03:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 17 Aug 2002 3:36 am, you wrote: I can't get my messages to thread in KMail. I've tried unchecking and rechecking the option to no avail, as well as restarting X and the entire machine. Any ideas? Isaac Works in mine - but if you filter into different folders you will need to check it for each folder. HTH Anne I thought you were on to something for a sec, but I just checked and everything was already in order. Any other ideas? It used to work fine but the last time I logged in they were all flat and I haven't been able to re-thread them since. Isaac Isaac, Was there anything else that occured at the time when they last worked correctly that sticks out in your mind? Nothing whatsoever. Should I delete and recreate my Mail folder? It's a last resort because I'd like to learn a better way, but I've got no personal or valued emails that are at risk of being lost. So what do you think? Time to resort to brute force tactics? Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] localizing EveryBuddy / Gaim
(response below quote) On Friday 16 August 2002 08:38, Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:31:14PM -0400, Isaac Curtis wrote: Hey all, I'm always annoyed when I've got ten desktops buzzing along, all my work crisply compartmentalized, and all of a sudden I get an IM on a desktop I am trying to do something else with. I have to go to the trouble of closing it, returning to my IM desktop, returning the message and waiting for a response to my response so that I can make the IM stay where I want it to. Then of course I go back about my business, checking in to the IM desktop every minute or so, until I get another message from another person and the whole mess starts all over again. Am I an imbassyl? Isaac, Your window manager should have an option for you to keep/show an app on all desktops. In Fluxbox it's called stick, and I'm pretty sure you can do it in KDE, too. Right-click on the window's title bar, and you should see your options. HTH, Todd Well I actually never got to finish that email before I sent it (hence the shameful spelling error) but what I'm talking about is sort of the opposite. I know how to allow those windows to pop up on all desktops, but that's the exact opposite of what I want. I want EveryBuddy to stay the hell away from my other desktops. I have all my apps neatly compartmentalized to the same desktops I always keep them on, and I don't want IM windows popping up in the way so that I have to go through the hassle of re-localizing them to the EveryBuddy desktop. Is there any way to force EveryBuddy (or any other IM program, this is so annoying I'm willing to switch software) to keep incoming IMs on its desktop, or should I write the developers as a feature request? I have the same complaint with Mozilla-- I hate popup windows in general, but if I'm flipping between desktops after clicking a link (56k modem... gotta do things while I wait for them to load) the popups come up on other desktops, which isn't as annoying as IMs but a bother nonetheless. Well, I hope that clears up what I was talking about. Again, I apologize for those emails getting out when they were incomlete. I tried to save them as drafts in KMail but then it force-sent them without my permission. My own fault, I'm sure, I've only used KMail for a week because Mozilla 1.0 doesn't let me use SMTP for some weird reason... not even localhost. Oh well. Another issue for another day. Thanks for the feedback and take it easy. Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] System Support Checklist
On Friday 16 August 2002 07:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you checked the systems at wallmart.com? no monitor (add whatever you want) but the computers w/mandrake installed are a hard price to beat. even as a reseller, with out volume discounts I cannot beat the price. I feel you but I'm building this myself so I get to deduct the cost of labor from those machines. Plus the parts in those systems are garbage. They are good enough to run Linux, but they rarely outlive their warranties. Even when it only saves me $100 or so, I like building it myself to know it was done right and with high quality parts. Peace. Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Messages won't thread in KMail
I can't get my messages to thread in KMail. I've tried unchecking and rechecking the option to no avail, as well as restarting X and the entire machine. Any ideas? Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
(response below) I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short time. I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd Do you not find L-M to be expensive down the road? I am psyched about Linux, but frustrated that I have to go without updates that could really help me just because the new Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] localizing EveryBuddy / Gaim
Hey all, I'm always annoyed when I've got ten desktops buzzing along, all my work crisply compartmentalized, and all of a sudden I get an IM on a desktop I am trying to do something else with. I have to go to the trouble of closing it, returning to my IM desktop, returning the message and waiting for a response to my response so that I can make the IM stay where I want it to. Then of course I go back about my business, checking in to the IM desktop every minute or so, until I get another message from another person and the whole mess starts all over again. Am I an imbassyl? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] localizing EveryBuddy / Gaim
this was not supposed to send KMail sucks it was saved as a draft and KMail autosent it the next time I logged in I'll re-submit once I finish it Apologies, Isaac On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm always annoyed when I've got ten desktops buzzing along, all my work crisply compartmentalized, and all of a sudden I get an IM on a desktop I am trying to do something else with. I have to go to the trouble of closing it, returning to my IM desktop, returning the message and waiting for a response to my response so that I can make the IM stay where I want it to. Then of course I go back about my business, checking in to the IM desktop every minute or so, until I get another message from another person and the whole mess starts all over again. Am I an imbassyl? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] System Support Checklist
Dear L-M crew: I'm putting together a computer based very much around the recommendations from the Thompsan's over at www.hardwareguys.com. I've built several computer before, but have come to trust their picks a lot over the last few months and I'm generally confident that anything they suggest would be Linux-ready, but I wanted to check with you all first to see if there was anything I should be worried about before I go busting out my debit card. Here's the system (all prices include shipping): Initial System: (~September 2002) $128 Antec SX840 Workstation Tower $56 AMD Duron ~1.2 MHz processor (maybe faster if prices drop) $54 ECS K7S5A 1.x or 3.x motherboard - SiS 735 Chipset - AC '97 Audio - Onboard ethernet $127 516 MB PC2100 CL2.5 DDR-SDRAM DIMM (single stick) $65 ATI Radeon 7500 64MB video card (with DVI support for my FSB) $78 Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 7200 RPM 40.0 GB IDE hard drive $45 Toshiba SD-M1612 DVD/CD-ROM drive $10 TEAC FD-235F floppy drive $102 APC Back-UPS Office 500 $84 Logitech Cordless Keyboard Mouse (optical) $620 Hitachi CMLSXWB700+ 17 FPD Monitor Total Cost: ~$1350 (and all on newegg.com... all the best prices in one place, it was crazy... let me know if there are better deals but this is what pricewatch pricescan yielded) First Upgrade: (~January 2003) ~$140 Plextor 16/10/40A CD-RW drive ~$70 Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card (up to 5.1 compatible) ~$150 Altec Lansing ATP4 speakers (4.1 system) Upgrade Cost #1: ~$370 Second Upgrade: (~Summer 2004) $??? AMD Athlon XP ~2.2 GHz processor $??? 516 MB PC2100 CL2.5 DDR-SDRAM DIMM Upgrade Cost #2: $150 (I'll buy whatever speed XP keeps the cost in that range) Total System Cost: $1750-$2000 So that's what I'm looking at, a middle-term system that's highly upgradable and that should tide me over for about four years. Okay, my first and most obvious question is: are there any configuration nightmares / all-out compatibility conflicts here? For example, AC '97 audio was (is) an absolute MONSTER to configure on my ABIT VH6-II P3 system, and while I'm all about participating in the learning curve sometimes just for the sake of learning the hard way, I absolutely refuse to put up with that whole mess again. I'll be upgrading to a decent soundcard pretty soon so the AC '97 isn't so much of an issue to me, but that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Of course I'd also appreciate it if you let me in on personal experiences like if your power supply exploded and killed your pet hampster. My biggest compatibility concerns are the FPD monitor (is DVI output even supported in Linux?), the wireless input devices (my IBM wireless works fine, but it's slow waking up and it has to be pointed right directly at the base station-- not Mandrake's fault of course but I'm equally concerned about the hardware itself so feel free to share your rants. Last but certainly not least I'm a little uncomfortable with the Duron. It won't be in there for long, I figure once AMD drops the Hammer series this December Athlon prices will crash and I can upgrade this to a high-end XP and double the RAM for under $150 within 18 months. Still, how do Duron's perform? Do they hold up in Linux? It's going to be a Linux-only system so that's all that matters to me. Alright, I've wasted enough of your time for one evening. I'll give a quick synopsis of what kind of feedback I'm looking for then I'm out. Peace. 1. Are there any items that are patently incompatible with Linux, and L-M in particular? 2. Are there any items that are a hassle to negotiate with Linux, and L-M in particular? 3. Is my 17 flat panel display DVI-connector monitor supported by Linux, and L-M in particular? 4. Does the Duron run okay, particulary under Linux L-M? 5. Can I get these parts cheaper by shopping around? Literally every single component was cheaper on newegg.com than on any other site, and I scanned half a dozen personal favorites as well as priceline and pricewatch with no reliable competition. Let me know if I'm missing something. I have links to product information and specs for every single item, but I couldn't find a way to do it without either using html or just making the email look (even more) hideous and jumbled. Thanks for any help you can provide, and if you're interested in product links let me know. Thanks much, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] cannot connect with modem.
On Monday 12 August 2002 11:42, savaidis wrote: There is not KPPP there and I couldn't find it on CD1 of installation either. Makis rantI had this exact problem when I installed Linux for the first time. For reasons COMPLETELY beyond my comprehension, Mandrake never had the common sense basic applications like pppd checked by default when you custom install the Networking group. The only way I could get it to work as a first-timer was to install the Recommended package, which was missing many other features I needed. It also used to be very, very difficult to find files I needed the way they are organized in the installation process, until I came across the option to show files either in tree form or alphabetically. I never noticed this until 8.0 but it is a wonder-worker for me when it comes to finding essential files that are buried under heaps of useless apps in the tree structure./rant That's the long intro to my solution, which is that you seem to be missing the ppp daemon and need to add it so you can use kppp to connect with your modem. Get into Software Manager Installable *Flat List* and find pppd. Install that and you should be at least on your way to being all set. After that follow et's instructions and I think you'll be ok. Good luck. Peace, Isaac I usually take garbage records out to the range and blow them away with my rifles. - Johnny Juice Rosado (studio DJ and occasional producer for Public Enemy) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Xmms thinks it's speedy gonzalez
-- System: ABIT VH6-II Motherboard Pentium III 866 MHz Processor 256 MB RAM Maxtor 20GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive HP 9100 CD-Writer Elsa Gladiac nVidia GeForce2 32MB Video Card Viewsonic EF70 17 Monitor 3C450 NIC Zoom 56k Dualmode External Modem Software: Linux-Mandrake 7.2 (8.0 disks available) Xmms 1.2.3 -- This computer's name around the house is Speedy Gonzalez because it was very fast for its time when we first built it and because it is MUCH faster than the other two dinosaurs we've got. Apparently some of the software takes this too seriously, because when I tried using Xmms to play some mp3's, it got a little carried away. It's playing all my songs about 10-20% faster than normal, and I know it's not the files because I can play the exact same ones in Windows without a hitch. Any idea how to reign in my hyperactive software? Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] CD Burning issues
-- System: ABIT VH6-II Motherboard Pentium III 866 MHz Processor 256 MB RAM IBM Deskstar 40 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive (Secondary Master) Maxtor 20GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive (Secondary Slave) HP 9100 CD-Writer (Primary Master) Elsa Gladiac nVidia GeForce2 32MB Video Card Viewsonic EF70 17 Monitor 3C450 NIC Zoom 56k Dualmode External Modem Relevant Software: Linux-Mandrake 7.2 (8.0 CDs available) gtoaster 0.1 E Roaster (supposedly) X-CD-Roast (supposedly) -- Hey all, I'm on my 7.2 system right now because I need to burn a CD for someone and I'd like to do it in LInux instead of Windows so that I can learn how. I tried to use ERoaster and X-CD-Roast (just because they were the first two in the K Menu) but neither of them ever opened. The little disks spun in the taskbar for a few seconds, then just disappeared uneventfully. I checked my process manager and they weren't running in the background so I figured further efforts with them would be counterproductive. Gtoaster opened up fine and I was able to select the songs I wanted to burn, but when I chose Record it gave me a stream of errors in my Client output box. which I've copy-pasted below. What's up? Thanks, Isaac GnomeToaster Recording Terminal Recording 773161200 bytes to CD couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. Child exited unexpectedly. couldn´t run client: Permission denied Child exited unexpectedly. fixating CDROM. couldn´t run client: Permission denied CD recording process finished. blanking CDRW. couldn´t run client: Permission denied CDRW blanking complete. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Xmms thinks it's speedy gonzalez
On Monday 12 August 2002 19:32, you wrote: Isaac Curtis writes: Apparently some of the software takes this too seriously, because when I tried using Xmms to play some mp3's, it got a little carried away. It's playing all my songs about 10-20% faster than normal, and I know it's not the files because I can play the exact same ones in Windows without a hitch. Any idea how to reign in my hyperactive software? Are you reading your mp3's from an NFS-mounted filesystem? I have no idea why, but I once had something similar happen and when I copied the files locally, it went away. I never did resolve it. Fortunately, I only play mp3's from one machine so now they're all local. -- Madness is soil in which creativity grows - Chris Bielek They were originally in /mnt/windows/blahblahblah but I copied them into a /home/shared/mp3 folder I made. So no, they're neither from the network nor from a /mnt, but they were originally if that matters. I'm going to take Derek's advice and try upgrading to see if that helps. While I'm at it, are there any other, better audio players? What are everyone's favorites? PEace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Xmms thinks it's speedy gonzalez
Okay, I downloaded Xmms 1.2.7 and the same problems are happening. It varies song to song, some of them play just fast enough that it sounds a little funny, one or two sound like Alvin the Chipmunks. Any other ideas? Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Embedded Ethernet Adapaters
(body below quote) On Sunday 11 August 2002 02:30, you wrote: At 12:57 AM 8/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: I'm putting together a new computer and haven't been able to confirm whether or not Linux supports the embedded ethernet adapters found in motherboards like Intel's D815EA2LU and Elite Groups' ECS K7S5A. I'm not sure what board I'm going to use exactly so my primary question isn't whether these particular onboard network adapters are supported but rather if onboard ethernet adapters are supported in general. If some but not all are supported, where can I find a list? I am using a HP Pavilion that has an on board Intel ethernet setup. It pretty much configured itself automagically during installation. When I switched from dial up to cable all I had to do was run the connection wizard and enable dhcp. Richard Sweet. Good to know at least the Intel ones seem to be supported. I'm leaning AMD for now because of upgradability (Duron now, Athlon in 15-20 months). I may change my mind if Intel starts spitting out its line of P4-Celerons before I go shopping, but until then all I can afford is a high level Duron/Celeron and I'll only get boards that can handle P4's/Athlons because I want to notch it up in a year or so. That leaves me with AMD for now. Any word on the Socket-A's? Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Embedded Ethernet Adapaters
Okay, I'm psyched to hear about the ethernet success. As for onboard sound, the AC '97 audio gave me hell when I first tried Linux on my family's ABIT-VH6-II system. What's up with the whole AC '97 problem anyway? I remember I went through hours of hell solving it and don't even remember what I did because it was over a year ago. Your email is saved in my /home now because I'm sure I'll refer to it later, but I'm curious as to the actual source of the problem. Is AC '97 flawed or is it that linux is not on top of its drivers? Should I avoid doing another AC '97 system? This is going to be a 100% Linux machine. Isaac On Sunday 11 August 2002 03:48, you wrote: Hi I have a Elite K7S5A. Mandrake 8.2 installation was very smooth including the onboard ethernet. Somehow the alsa driver of Mandrake 8.2 did not work with the onboard sound chip. Sound driver need to be used. To do so, changes in the modules.conf is required. There was detail in Mandrake web site. My module.conf is as followed after changed. pre-install pcmcia_core CARDMGR_OPTS=-f /etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia start alias usb-interface usb-ohci probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi alias eth0 sis900 alias sound i810_audio #alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-intel8x0 #above snd-card-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss mjh Isaac Curtis wrote: I'm putting together a new computer and haven't been able to confirm whether or not Linux supports the embedded ethernet adapters found in motherboards like Intel's D815EA2LU and Elite Groups' ECS K7S5A. I'm not sure what board I'm going to use exactly so my primary question isn't whether these particular onboard network adapters are supported but rather if onboard ethernet adapters are supported in general. If some but not all are supported, where can I find a list? Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Embedded Ethernet Adapaters
I'm putting together a new computer and haven't been able to confirm whether or not Linux supports the embedded ethernet adapters found in motherboards like Intel's D815EA2LU and Elite Groups' ECS K7S5A. I'm not sure what board I'm going to use exactly so my primary question isn't whether these particular onboard network adapters are supported but rather if onboard ethernet adapters are supported in general. If some but not all are supported, where can I find a list? Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dumb Email Time Question
Randy Kramer wrote: james Mellema wrote: Look at it like time is always UT (the current designation for GMT), local time where you are is 4 hours earlier, hence, the - sign. If you were on the other side of the International Date Line you would be ahead, hence the + sign. Jim, Thanks for the response! I know I probably seem wierd, but now I'm going to try to develop a way to mentally read it based on your suggestion. Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:38:00 -0400 Read as: local time is 15:38, which is 4 hours before UT local time 15:38, 4 hours before UT local time 15:38, 4 hours 'til UT Yeah, that might work. local time, change sign is shorter, not sure which is more useful or more memorable -- your approach might be more useful, the local time, change sign might be more memorable. Well, we'll see the next time I try to see what time an email was sent. Randy Kramer yikes i hear all of you though time seems to confound mozillamail as well all my mail is dated by when it was sent so thanks to the fact that mandrake is used all over the world i get emails from today, yesterday, and tomorrow i have even responded to emails before that have, as far as mozilla is concerned, not yet been sent very complicated indeed - isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Webmail Thingo for Apache and Mandrake. OT
Brett wrote: I need a webmail type of access program for a server running Mandrake. It needs to be able to handle IMAP accounts. Also, it needs to work as thus. Someone logs in as- username - user pass - password When when they send mail in the program, it sets their return address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Brett. This got posted in the middle of Jennifer's simple command line question thread for me. Did this happen to everyone? If so, is it because of something the poster did, something on the drake server, or what? This same issue has happened to me several times in the past. I'm using KDE on 7.2 and probably more relevantly I'm running Mozilla 0.9.3 (2001080104). Please let me know if this is/isn't happening to the rest of you so I can file a report in Bugzilla if it's just a mozilla mail issue. Maa'a Salaama, Isaac aim userid: isaaccurtis Nolite te bastardes carborundorum. (Don't let the bastards grind you down.) - A Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bash: java: command not found
antoine rivoire wrote: sorry valerie, i did a bit of looking, and i found out how you do that, and it works. thanks. On Monday 03 September 2001 08:52, you wrote: did you set PATH correctly after you insatlled the jdk? I've got Limewire and it's not working for me yet either, so could you explain (Antoine) what exactly you did? Thanks, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Firewall/networking tutorial?
Ben Bayer wrote: Hi all, I want to set up an old computer I installed mandrake 8 on as a firewall for my main PC. Does anyone know of a howto, forum discussion, book, or article that might help me get started networking and firewalling? Thanks, Ben Linux Network Administrator's Guide (O'Reilly Assoc.) a definite must-have pick it up from your nearest local bookstore if you dont have the cash get it later because its intermediate level but i read it cover to cover with almost ZERO networking background and now i can do some pretty badass stuff good luck isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] System/Network Monitoring in Console
Hey all, Moving to a less fiesty topic, what are some commands I can use to monitor tasks, network traffic, etc from the console/terminal? I know some basic networking stuff like netstat and ifconfig but I don't know any tools that display what tasks are running or what's going on with the network. A specific example in which I would be interested is how some of you who have posted your hardware throughput, etc, have gotten your numbers? I'd be interested in any GUI tools as well, but console/terminal tools are of the most value to me. Thank you all so much for your help. Peace, Isaac [n]o revolution can ever succeed as factor of liberation unless the MEANS used to further it be identical in spirit and tendency with the PURPOSE to be achieved. [Emma Goldman, http://anarchistfaq.org/secHint.html] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Concurrent Remote X Login
I've got a slow box (Eve) and a fast box (Speedy) and have been playing around with different ways of making the slow one more useable as a wait for a 128 stick to arrive. It's proven a great learning experience as I've become familiar with many desktop environments/window managers as well as learned to do pretty much every day-to-day task (email, web browsing, text editing) from the console. My newest goal is to be able to slogin to Speedy and run X, displaying it on the Eve's monitor. Of course I want Speedy to still be able to go about it's own daily business, I'd just like both Speedy and Eve to be able to run off the same box. Is that possible? If so, how? Please offer both console and gui solutions, if they exist. Thanks again, Isaac There is no K5 Cabal... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Configuration Files (repost)
(I'm reposting this because it never got answered and I had flagged it because I was waiting to hear a response. Thanks to anyone who can help. - Isaac) Hello! In my system, I see .bashrc, .dosemurc, .kderc, /etc/bashrc, /etc/inputrc, /etc/rc.d etc. etc. etc. 1. What does rc stand for, as opposed to conf? 2. I read that /etc is for miscellaneous files...isn't it *only* for configuration files? 3. Global user settings are stored in /etc, while personal ones are stored as /home/username/.somethingrc, right? Any help is appreciated! Thanks, George ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SNF packet forwarding problem.
John Turnbull wrote: I am sorry to repost this request, but I have still not managed to turn on forwarding in Mandrake SNF (original description follows). I do know a little more. I have managed to install a different firewalling distro - smoothwall (www.smoothwall.org), so I do know that the problem is not due to some HP proprietary hardware weirdness. How would I turn on forwarding, manually, in SNF? Thank you again. John T John Turnbull wrote: I have installed Mandrake SNF on an elderly HP Ventra with a 200MHz Pentium Pro in a test-bed configuration. I have it set up with eth0 (ne2k-pci card - 192.168.3.34) connected to the LAN side of my network and eth1 (3c59x - 192.168.4.34) running through a crossover cable to a laptop acting as a stand-in for the internet. From the HP firewall, I can ping both of its NICs and can also ping the 'internet' (laptop - 192.168.4.65) and any internal machine (say: 192.168.3.45), so the TCP/IP stuff seems to be fine. I can connect to the HP firewall with either ssh or Mandrake Security (port 8443: I intentionally set it up to allow both) from either the LAN side or the 'internet' side, but I cannot connect from the LAN side to the internet side at all. Mandrake Security - Restrict Access lists Firewall Rules on and Mandrake Security - Internet Access lists Access Status Down and no amount of poking 'Start' or 'Stop', in any combination, seems to change its status. . . sigh Any hints on how I should proceed would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. John T (BTW what does 'Test' do?) John, The command line solution can be found on page 216 of the Linux Network Administrator's Guide by Kirch Dawson (O'Reilly Associates). Depending on your kernel, one or more of these two line commands should take care of you. Try each of them until one works. After each attempt go to one of the LAN-side boxen and ping 216.239.39.100. That's the IP for www.google.com. If you get no response, you need to move on and try the next pair of commands for IP forwarding. If you get a response, try pinging www.google.com. If you can ping the IP but not the domain name, you need to setup DNS and I can tell you how to do that, too. Anyway, here's those commands, don't forget to su into root and remember that everything is case sensitive: # ipfwadm -F -p deny # ipfwadm -F -a accept -m -S 192.168.0.0/24 -D 0/0 (if your home network is different from 192.168.0.0, change the command to suit your network, just don't forget the /24 at the end, the same holds for the next pair of commands if these don't work) # ipchains -P forward -j deny # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ and, lastly: # iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING DROP # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING DROP -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE In that last case you will want to change ppp0 to the appropriate ethernet device if you are connected through a DSL/cable connection on one of your ethernet cards, as opposed to a dial-up connection like these instructions assume. Anyway, if you need any more help feel free to post again because I've learned a lot of networking stuff and I can recite the NetAdmin's guide like scripture now. Good luck and please let me know if this works for you. In Solidarity, Isaac Nolite te bastardes carborundorum. (Don't let the bastards grind you down) - The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
jennifer wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 17:09, Isaac Curtis wrote: This is a bottom-posted new thread, I encourage anyone interested to please skim the quote for context before reading below. (from the thread Re: [newbie] kde2.2 broke Konqueror Flash plugin) Ron Bouwhuis wrote: --- Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP. Either buy/order them from a locally owned bookstore or, if you don't have the hefty $75 combined price tag, take the five-finger discount at the nearest Borders (the place is less secure than Windows ME) and buy a few magazines back at your hometown shop to support local business. SNIP What the hell is a five-finger discount? I *HOPE* you mean you go to Borders, buy a coffee and maybe a pastry, sit down in one of those lovely corner sofas and read the excellent Linux references you mention (careful not to get sticky fingers on the pages). You then write notes to yourself on a pad and put the book back on the shelf when you're done. Regards, Ron. Dear Ron, Borders ran four of five local bookstores out of my hometown. Borders bookstores all across the country have illegally interfered with union organzing within my union and others. Borders pays their workers a lousy wage so that ignorant high-brow yuppies can come in and get their books for a few bucks less than they could at the shop that has been in their community for three generations. I will not pay for a book from that store. I am on a very tight budget and can occasionally afford a tech magazine or some cd-r's on which to burn software and the latest downloads. When I purchase these things I get them from local business and support the people that have been supporting my community since before I was born. When I need something I can't get from local business, either because of price or because they aren't able to get it shipped within a month, I will go to Borders and take it. When I have to resort to that, I make a point of spending as much as I can afford at a local bookstore. Last week I picked up Learning the Bash Shell and DNS and Bind for free from Borders, so I went to a local store in downtown and bought two history books and a fiction book which I donated to my local public library. I actually spent more on the donated books than I would have on the ones from Borders, but I am comfortable with that decision because what I did supported my community and helped strike a(n admittedly small) blow at Borders and everything it stands for. I am not suggesting we all go on a stealing spree from Borders, but rather that we support our local businesses. If we can't get what we need locally, than we should take it for free from our local Big Box Store (Borders, Barnes Noble, etc) and find a way to redirect the privilege we enjoyed of a free book into a way of supporting the local community. This isn't your only option, you could go to your local public library and ask them to order a copy to beef up their tech section. (If they don't have money for it you could steal *two* copies from Borders and donate one of them...) You could get a friend to buy it from a locally-owned store out of state and mail it to you, and return the favor with an equally priced book they couldn't find in their area. The point isn't stealing, the point is supporting our local communities by supporting our local businesses. Mutlinational corporations don't care about your community, they don't care about your needs, and they don't care about you. They care about their bottom line. This is the same thing that has given us Wal-Mart, McDonald's, and Microsoft. To copy your syntax a little bit... I *HOPE* that you, as a Linux supporter, would be able to make the connection between why Microsoft is evil and why Borders is evil. Microsoft is not just a lousy operating system, it is a morally corrupt institution. I am not sure if stealing is right, but I know that buying from Borders is wrong. Against Capital and State, Isaac Necessity knows no law, and the starving man has a natural right to a share of his neighbor's bread. Ask for work. If they do not give you work, ask for bread. If they do not give you work or bread, then take bread. - Emma Goldman www.anarchistfaq.org www.infoshop.org/faq (I realize this qoute is not relevant to stealing a Linux book from Borders. It is, however, another angle of opening people's minds to why stealing is, if not right, certainly less wrong than other ills of this world.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: You have go to be kidding me! I am so happy that I believe in karma after reading this. Karma? Come on... I'm not gonna have lightning strike me because I lifted a $40 book from Borders. I'm sure lightning can find much better targets in the people that support clothes made
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
Bryan Tyson wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 21:32, Ron wrote: Isaac, My gast has been well and truly flabbered... Ron. (Feeling a little sadder after reading your post). Ron's right. This guy is making a mockery of both the Linux community and social consciousness. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** For the thousandth time... I gave a lot more options, people are just obsessing about stealing. I provided a bunch of more acceptable ways to do this, and Paul added one more. I still have to admit I find it sort of silly that people burn cd's, copy mp3's, and reuse software intended for one computer yet would lecture someone for stealing a book. A $40 book is three cd's, which is about 40 songs. So take your mp3 collection and divide it by forty to figure the equivalent of how many books you've stolen. I haven't stolen many books. - Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
James S Bear wrote: I hope we all understand that stealing will make us as bad as Microsoft. I wouldn't say Microsoft has a lousy product, but I do pray with all my hear that I won't have to buy another MS product in my life. I could possibly agree with the fact that they are evil(and maybe Borders, but...), but this in no way justifies stealing. In my mind, that would be the same thing. IT's not my business what happens to Mr. Gates's conscience(and I won't get into the afterlife question here) but it is my business what happens to mine. Just a thought. I get what you're saying and I respect where you're coming from, and for any individual person it's their own issue how they feel about and deal with all these issues. I don't want to come off like I'm riling people up to go on a stealing spree, I'm just saying please please think about who you support when you buy from Borders, the same way I tell my Windows-using friends to please please think about who they support when they buy from Microsoft. I really wish someone would get past the stealing thing and talk about what I was really saying, which is just that buying from Borders seems to be a contradiction from the kinds of people who won't buy from Microsoft. Besides, how many of you burn cds? How many of you have used old Win98 disks to upgrade your friend's old 95 systems for free? How many of you listen to mp3's? All of those things are stealing, there's no two ways about it. You owe Microsoft $150 bucks for every time you did an install of Win98 on more than one computer. You owe Seagram/Polygram $17 for every time you burned a cd or downloaded a dozen mp3's. While I admit to doing all those things, I am honest enough to acknowledge that what I am doing is stealing, and I think everything out in my head and I resolve that it is less wrong to burn the cd than it is to go out and support the RIAA. If you deny the fact you are stealing, you are lying to yourself to protect the attitude you have that makes you think you're better than a common thief. In fact most common thieves are far more justified than we are. We burn cd's because we don't like paying for cd's, a boy kills a king's deer because he doesn't like his family starving to death. My point here is twofold: 1. We almost all do things that are undeniably stealing. 2. I'm not trying to say stealing is right, I'm trying to say it's less wrong than supporting Borders. Time to go coach my soccer kids, Isaac I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source; and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat. - Jim Allchin, Microsoft Windows Operating System Chief http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-4825719-RHAT.html?t Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bash1 sh and stuff problem
antoine rivoire wrote: hi all, i ran into this prob when trying to install limwire. i lokked at akll the prevous messages, and followed the instructions. when typing sh runlime.sh i got that message back: runlime.sh: java: command not found ilooked for a while and it occured to me that java and sh commands are related somehow to the bash1-1.14.7-26mdk.i586.rpm package (maybe i am wrong?) here is what i got when lokkig to install it: root@ libgtk]# rpm -Uvh --test bash1*.rpm [root@ libgtk]# rpm -Uvh bash1*.rpm bash1 ## install-info: No such file or directory for /usr/share/info/bash1.bz2 execution of bash1-1.14.7-26mdk script failed, exit status 1 [root@ libgtk]# rpm -Uvh -f bash1*.rpm rpm: unexpected query source [root@ libgtk]# rpm -q bash1*.rpm package bash1-1.14.7-26mdk.i586.rpm is not installed [root@ libgtk]# rpm -Uvh --test bash1*.rpm package bash1-1.14.7-26mdk is already installed [root@ libgtk]# rpm -q bash1*.rpm package bash1-1.14.7-26mdk.i586.rpm is not installed [root@ libgtk]# rpm -Uvh --force bash1*.rpm bash1 ## install-info: No such file or directory for /usr/share/info/bash1.bz2 execution of bash1-1.14.7-26mdk script failed, exit status 1[ odd, i thought, so i am asking anybody out there who can to help me ps i have j2sdk-1_3_1-linux-i386-rpm.bin installed cheers Antoine, I have had the exact same problem. I haven't resolved it so I'm of no help to you, but if I tinker around and come up with anything I'll drop you a line, and please do the same. Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Low Resource Window Manager?
Michel Clasquin wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 04:16, Isaac Curtis wrote: I've got a PII 266 with the same memory and am curious what suggestions people have for window managers that I can use which will allow me to get the most out of what I've got I don't run these myself (which is why I don't have the URLs lying around), but do a google search for ratpoison and one for oroboros. I doubt you'll get more minimalist than those two! Way neat, now just a matter of downloading stuff. Thanks Michael, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
paul rodrÃguez wrote: Views on the morality of shoplifting aside, there is a way you can buy books from a local independent bookstore online that is very convenient. Booksense.com is an national organization of independent bookstores which provides a common interface to order books online and also to find a local independent bookshop. Gift certificates are also available so that you can encourage shopping at independent bookstores (redeamable at most independent bookstores nation-wide). It's worth looking into. My local (and favorite) bookstore when I'm at school, Food For Thought (worker's collective) in Amherst, MA is a member. When I go home to an area where the nearest indy bookshop is hours away, this is a great resource. - Paul RodrÃguez Thanks for the idea Paul, I'll actually try it out at some point. It's still a lot less human than being able to walk through my own downtown, though, waving at the shopowners I know and getting into a conversation with the owner about what his favorite new book is. There's gotta be a lot of different approaches to every problem, though, and since we can't get back what we've already lost this is a cool resource. Thanks, Isaac PS - Food for Thought is an awesome bookstore. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Not prompted for other cd's during installation
Nope, definitely not a single-cd install cd. It's the same cd that, if I pop it in the computer right beside this one, will pop up the prompt for the other cd's. Any ideas? - Isaac Michael D. Viron wrote: Anguo and Isaac, Usually this is because it is part of a single CD install distributed with a magazine (not always, but usually). If this is the case, and you have a fast enough connection plus a cd burner, download the iso's off the ftp site and burn them to CD. If not, buy them from one of the online e-tailers for cheap ( usually $5 or $6 US). I've installed Mandrake 7.2 and 8.0 on everything from a P75 up to a PII, and it has always asked after the second CD, so it's not because of the hardware. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 10:14 PM 08/28/2001 +0800, you wrote: I had the same problem as you. On a pentium 120mhz 32mb ram, the install didn't ask for the second cd. I did run mandrake but many applications were missing and software manager wouldn't run on such low resources. On a duron 750mhz 256mb ram, I had no such problem. I guess there's no way around it. Just install manually what you need on your old box. Anguo [EMAIL PROTECTED] banged on their keyboard and produced the following arrangement of letters: - I'm reinstalling 7.2 on a pretty old box (Eve - 266 MHz PII, 32MB Ram, junker - Everex Monitor, etc) and I am not getting asked whether or not I have the other - cds (I have the boxed version with 7 cds). I started an install on the - computer right beside it (Speedy Gonzalez - 866MHz PIII, 256 MB Ram, etc) and - I got prompted about the other cds right off without any trouble. So my - problem is I can't install all the packages and software I want and need - because it doesn't ask me for the other cds that are ready and waiting to be - used. Two points of note: - - 1. It did the same thing the first time I installed it (on Eve, Speedy was - and has always been fine), I just want to take advantage of this reinstall to - get it right. (original install was a week or so ago, for what it's worth) - - and 2. I get warned about being low on system resources at the beginning of - the install, but I completed it with the graphical installation when I - originally installed the system, even tested X a few times without ever - hanging. I can go through a text install but I don't get prompted for it there - either. - - Any ideas? - - Regards, - Isaac - - - - We are convinced that freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, - and that socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality. - - - Mikhail Bakunin (www.infoshop.org/faq) - - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
Charles Punch wrote: Isaac Curtis wrote: Bryan Tyson wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 21:32, Ron wrote: Isaac, My gast has been well and truly flabbered... Ron. (Feeling a little sadder after reading your post). Ron's right. This guy is making a mockery of both the Linux community and "social consciousness." *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** For the thousandth time... I gave a lot more options, people are just obsessing about stealing. I provided a bunch of more acceptable ways to do this, and Paul added one more. I still have to admit I find it sort of silly that people burn cd's, copy mp3's, and reuse software intended for one computer yet would lecture someone for stealing a book. A $40 book is three cd's, which is about 40 songs. So take your mp3 collection and divide it by forty to figure the equivalent of how many books you've stolen. I haven't stolen many books. - Isaac There are a few basic flaws in your reasoning that I must comment on. (1.)There is no way for you to know that the people that have expressed their belief that stealing is wrong are doing any of the things you've mentioned above. (2.)I am a Christian, but I know that the concept of Karmic law is a little more than lightning striking people who transgress moral laws. (3.) Quantity has nothing to do with whether something is wrong or not. If stealing a million books is wrong, then stealing one is wrong as well.I will ask once more, do you think that two (or more) wrongs make a right. What surprises me about seeing this kind of post on this list, is not a lack of morals, but a lack of logical progression in the arguments. All of the arguments in favor of stealing are based on non-sequitur. One would think that someone who can make logical progressions to do computer work, would be able to apply those priciples to other areas. To those who complained about posting replies to this thread on the list, I do this because some of the replies I read were in agreement at least partially about stealing and it is not only my moral obligation, but my logical obligation to address this issue. If it were only a moral obligation (without reason), I would concede and post off list. It is in the interest of clear communication that I post this. If you prove to me that clear communication is irrelevant to this list, I will apologize. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Chal I hear what you're saying about the logical arguments, but I'm also put in this really awkward place where I'm being made to defend the idea of stealing. This is what has driven this topic so far off topic that it seems inappropriate. I'm really drained because in attacking the concept of stealing everyone is allowed to ignore everything I was really saying. In demanding a logical defense of stealing you refuse to debate the other ideas that were put forward. I feel like it's at the point that if I keep defending myself I'm just making it worse, so I'm going to chill. I also want to agree very strongly with you that discussions, whatever level they descend to, are always more healthy to have openly on the list. There's nothing wrong with also talking privately on the side, but I really enjoy developing an understanding of people through open candid discussions, whether we're talking about the best window manager or the most appropriate way of acquiring books. Peace, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
Ron Bouwhuis wrote: What the hell is a five-finger discount? I *HOPE* you mean you go to Borders, buy a coffee and maybe a pastry, sit down in one of those lovely corner sofas and read the excellent Linux references you mention (careful not to get sticky fingers on the pages). You then write notes to yourself on a pad and put the book back on the shelf when you're done. Regards, Ron. Charles Punch wrote: Isaac Curtis wrote: Charles Punch wrote: Isaac Curtis wrote: Bryan Tyson wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 21:32, Ron wrote: Isaac, My gast has been well and truly flabbered... Ron. (Feeling a little sadder after reading your post). Ron's right. This guy is making a mockery of both the Linux community and "social consciousness." *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** For the thousandth time... I gave a lot more options, people are just obsessing about stealing. I provided a bunch of more acceptable ways to do this, and Paul added one more. I still have to admit I find it sort of silly that people burn cd's, copy mp3's, and reuse software intended for one computer yet would lecture someone for stealing a book. A $40 book is three cd's, which is about 40 songs. So take your mp3 collection and divide it by forty to figure the equivalent of how many books you've stolen. I haven't stolen many books. - Isaac There are a few basic flaws in your reasoning that I must comment on. (1.)There is no way for you to know that the people that have expressed their belief that stealing is wrong are doing any of the things you've mentioned above. (2.)I am a Christian, but I know that the concept of Karmic law is a little more than lightning striking people who transgress moral laws. (3.) Quantity has nothing to do with whether something is wrong or not. If stealing a million books is wrong, then stealing one is wrong as well.I will ask once more, do you think that two (or more) wrongs make a right. What surprises me about seeing this kind of post on this list, is not a lack of morals, but a lack of logical progression in the arguments. All of the arguments in favor of stealing are based on non-sequitur. One would think that someone who can make logical progressions to do computer work, would be able to apply those priciples to other areas. To those who complained about posting replies to this thread on the list, I do this because some of the replies I read were in agreement at least partially about stealing and it is not only my moral obligation, but my logical obligation to address this issue. If it were only a moral obligation (without reason), I would concede and post off list. It is in the interest of clear communication that I post this. If you prove to me that clear communication is irrelevant to this list, I will apologize. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Chal I hear what you're saying about the logical arguments, but I'm also put in this really awkward place where I'm being made to defend the idea of stealing. This is what has driven this topic so far off topic that it seems inappropriate. I'm really drained because in attacking the concept of stealing everyone is allowed to ignore everything I was really saying. In demanding a logical defense of stealing you refuse to debate the other ideas that were put forward. I feel like it's at the point that if I keep defending myself I'm just making it worse, so I'm going to chill. I also want to agree very strongly with you that discussions, whatever level they descend to, are always more healthy to have openly on the list. There's nothing wrong with also talking privately on the side, but I really enjoy developing an understanding of people through open candid discussions, whether we're talking about the best window manager or the most appropriate way of acquiring books. Peace, Isaac The reason I only addressed the part about stealing, is that I agree with everything else you said. At least the parts I understood. I am not familiar with Borders, so the specifics were lost on me. I don't have any innovative ideas on these things, but I keep an open mind. You have given me another perspective to consider. I almost hesitated to post my comments about stealing, because I could see that you were getting attacked on (strictly) moral grounds. All of my moral objections had a basis in reason. I wanted you to see that there is an objection to stealing based on logic, which I didn't see in any of the other posts. Some of the others did give some good alternatives that I wouldn't have thought of, but none gave a reason *why* you should pursue an alternative other than that they thought that stealing was wrong. It seemed to me that they were all begging the question, by saying that stealing is wron
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
Matt Greer wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 16:09, you wrote: what I did supported my community and helped strike a(n admittedly small) blow at Borders and everything it stands for. You also struck a blow at a very innocent, and undeserving bystander...the author(s) of the book. If you want great linux resources to be available in book form, then the thing to do is to not steal them. If you're really concerned about Borders, there are many legal ways to go about it, that don't screw over innocent book authors. Stealing from them in the guise of some protest doesn't accomplish anything other than show your maturity level. Matt I appreciate the point. (not sarcastic, just so you know) This point is the most relevant (to how I feel) of all the points I expect to be faced with, and the counter to this and many others is: So how are you liking your mp3's? Most all people see no problem in downloading mp3's. What about making mix tapes for your friends, back before the dawn of cds? I never had an allowance as a kid so when I finally saved up money for a blank tape I would record songs off the radio and make my own tape, taping over old songs with new ones as my tastes changed. Was that wrong? The point I'm trying to make there is that the concept of intellectual property is in a lot of ways pretty stupid. Did MC Hammer have to live on the streets because I dubbed Too Legit to Quit instead of trotting down to the record store and buying the single? No-- MC Hammer lives on the streets because he's got some lame, back-stabbing friends that conned him. Authors, not unlike musicians, get jack for royalties. In the music industry you're talking about pennies on the dollar, and from friends of mine in the writing profession I can tell you it's not much better. From sources at local Borders stores, I know that the standard industry markup for their products is between 150 and 171%. So let's take that off the $40 pricetag of Generic Geek Book X, and we have $16 pre-Borders. As a person who has my ear to the grapevine within the writing industry, I know that 3-5% royalties for the writer are exceptional, and reserved only for the Stephen Kings and Michael Crichtons of the world. Let's pretend that Matt Welsh (Running Linux) is such a world-renowned guru that O'Reilly decided to give him a massive 5% cut on the book. Eighty cents. But wait, there were four authors of that book. Twenty cents each. And that is with some *major* rounding up. The stamp to send them what I owe will cose one and a half times as much. So my point is that you have a good point in that I am not supporting the writers, and I honestly respect and appreciate that. In fact I have gone so far in the past (with musicians) as to write them explaining that I burned their cd off mp3 because I refused to support their label, but that I would be more than happy to mail them a check for $10 (1,000 times the normal royalty) or make a similar donation to an organization of their choice. This has actually turned out to be a neat way to learn about my favorite artists, as the few that returned the letter actually gave some incredibly neat charities. Anyway, I'm sorry I went on for so long (again) I just really wanted to get across that the way I feel about this has nothing to do with my maturity level. I have spent a lot of time thinking very seriously about both the precursors and the effects of my actions, and I am willing to rethink those every time I am confronted about them. The most significant thing to me is that it may be wrong to steal from Borders, but it is way more wrong to buy from Borders. I'd really like someone to address that, or to respond and say Yeah, neat, I never thought of it like that before, I'll order everything locally from now on. I'm not trying to recruit an army to loot and pillage, I am trying to get people to think about the ramifications of their actions. A lot of people are yelling at me about how what I do is childish and immature, how I just haven't thought out what I do and why it's wrong. That is absolutely appalling to me. I have spent SO much time thinking about whether or not this is right. How long have you (you is used in general, not Matt) thought about whether it's right or wrong to shop at Borders? If people would put in half the time thinking about shopping that I do about stealing, the world would be a much better place. Thanks for the response, Isaac The system's set up so almost nobody gets paid. Courtney Love, on music contracts http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index1.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux, Borders, and social consciousness
jennifer wrote: On Wednesday 29 August 2001 17:09, Isaac Curtis wrote: This is a bottom-posted new thread, I encourage anyone interested to please skim the quote for context before reading below. (from the thread Re: [newbie] kde2.2 broke Konqueror Flash plugin) Ron Bouwhuis wrote: --- Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP. Either buy/order them from a locally owned bookstore or, if you don't have the hefty $75 combined price tag, take the five-finger discount at the nearest Borders (the place is less secure than Windows ME) and buy a few magazines back at your hometown shop to support local business. SNIP What the hell is a five-finger discount? I *HOPE* you mean you go to Borders, buy a coffee and maybe a pastry, sit down in one of those lovely corner sofas and read the excellent Linux references you mention (careful not to get sticky fingers on the pages). You then write notes to yourself on a pad and put the book back on the shelf when you're done. Regards, Ron. Dear Ron, Borders ran four of five local bookstores out of my hometown. Borders bookstores all across the country have illegally interfered with union organzing within my union and others. Borders pays their workers a lousy wage so that ignorant high-brow yuppies can come in and get their books for a few bucks less than they could at the shop that has been in their community for three generations. I will not pay for a book from that store. I am on a very tight budget and can occasionally afford a tech magazine or some cd-r's on which to burn software and the latest downloads. When I purchase these things I get them from local business and support the people that have been supporting my community since before I was born. When I need something I can't get from local business, either because of price or because they aren't able to get it shipped within a month, I will go to Borders and take it. When I have to resort to that, I make a point of spending as much as I can afford at a local bookstore. Last week I picked up Learning the Bash Shell and DNS and Bind for free from Borders, so I went to a local store in downtown and bought two history books and a fiction book which I donated to my local public library. I actually spent more on the donated books than I would have on the ones from Borders, but I am comfortable with that decision because what I did supported my community and helped strike a(n admittedly small) blow at Borders and everything it stands for. I am not suggesting we all go on a stealing spree from Borders, but rather that we support our local businesses. If we can't get what we need locally, than we should take it for free from our local Big Box Store (Borders, Barnes Noble, etc) and find a way to redirect the privilege we enjoyed of a free book into a way of supporting the local community. This isn't your only option, you could go to your local public library and ask them to order a copy to beef up their tech section. (If they don't have money for it you could steal *two* copies from Borders and donate one of them...) You could get a friend to buy it from a locally-owned store out of state and mail it to you, and return the favor with an equally priced book they couldn't find in their area. The point isn't stealing, the point is supporting our local communities by supporting our local businesses. Mutlinational corporations don't care about your community, they don't care about your needs, and they don't care about you. They care about their bottom line. This is the same thing that has given us Wal-Mart, McDonald's, and Microsoft. To copy your syntax a little bit... I *HOPE* that you, as a Linux supporter, would be able to make the connection between why Microsoft is evil and why Borders is evil. Microsoft is not just a lousy operating system, it is a morally corrupt institution. I am not sure if stealing is right, but I know that buying from Borders is wrong. Against Capital and State, Isaac Necessity knows no law, and the starving man has a natural right to a share of his neighbor's bread. Ask for work. If they do not give you work, ask for bread. If they do not give you work or bread, then take bread. - Emma Goldman www.anarchistfaq.org www.infoshop.org/faq (I realize this qoute is not relevant to stealing a Linux book from Borders. It is, however, another angle of opening people's minds to why stealing is, if not right, certainly less wrong than other ills of this world.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: You have go to be kidding me! I am so happy that I believe in karma after reading this. Karma? Come on... I'm not gonna have lightning strike me because I lifted a $40 book from Borders. I'm sure lightning can find much better targets in the people that support clothes made
[newbie] What version of gcc do I have?
How can I tell what version of gcc I have? Or any other program, for that matter? (I'm asking specifically for the command line way to do this) Thanks again, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Renaming Perks: Did someone say 'bash
Adams, Jamie wrote: That was great, much clearer now, thanks! I would very much like to learn bash programming, any suggestions on good resources? Thanks again. Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 Learning the Bash Shell, Newham Rosenblatt (O'Reilly Associates) That's numero uno, and it moves from basic bash functions to programming, and leaves you with a good idea of where to go when you're done. Good luck, Isaac PS: I'm not pretending to be an expert, I'm actually just tackling this book as we speak. I figure a fellow struggler's opinion is valuable in its own right, though. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kde2.2 broke Konqueror Flash plugin
Charles A. Punch wrote: Dan Ray wrote: Morning, folks! So my upgrade to KDE 2.2 went reasonably well--a few minutes hunting down dependencies, and a deep breath as I did a --force on a couple of things, and then by god I'd booted into KDE 2.2. I'm getting to be pretty good at this stuff! ;-D The only thing that seems to have broken in the process is the Flash Netscape plugin for Konqueror, which used to work great. Now, though, Konq freezes hard before rendering any page that contains flash and 'kill -9' is the only way out. Any thoughts? Should I just refresh the nsplugins package? Is there an update to nsplugins for kde 2.2 that I maybe didn't get? I hopr this doesn't twist this thread *too* far off topic. Just a note about NS plugins, which may or may not be relevant. I am not much of a command line person. I do most things from the GUI, but am trying to learn more command line. It just seems that what people say work for them, does not always work on my system, or either (gasp!) I am perhaps not doing something right. I have been trying to get the Macromedia Flash plugins to work for about a month. Countless tries of downloading and following the instructions in the tarball (which are command line instructions). kept getting the message no such file or directory. I copied the path from GMC to make sure I had it entered correctly. Finally, I just did a drag and drop from GMC and Eureka! it works. Must have been something about the path, but I can't figure out exactly what. Could it possibly be a dependancy or something more basic than just a syntax error? I know the info I've given is not much to go on, but I was just looking for perhaps a general direction or something basic, I may have overlooked. Any help will be appreciated. Don't bend over too far backwards helping me on this one, because after all, it is working now. It's just that I would like to know why, for future reference and for general education that may help my weak command line skills. I guess some people are never satisfied. Just so this isn't taken out of context, that last remark was about myself. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 Patience is a minor form of despair, disguised as virtue. -- Ambrose Bierce, on qualifiers Wow, this seems to be the only thing in Linux I actually know anything about. So far I've posted this same thing twice and gotten rave reviews both times, so I'll modify it to refer to flash instead of java (the original topic, same procedure) and just copy-paste... The command line solution can be found on page 98 of Running Linux (Welsh,Dalheimer and Kaufman - O'Reilly Associates) and on page 219 of Linux in a Nutshell (Siever, Spainhour, Figgins and Hekman - O'Reilly). If you don't already have both books I STRONGLY recommend picking them up. Either buy/order them from a locally owned bookstore or, if you don't have the hefty $75 combined price tag, take the five-finger discount at the nearest Borders (the place is less secure than Windows ME) and buy a few magazines back at your hometown shop to support local business. Just please don't actually buy it from one of those lame chains, either order it from your local business (it's probably not in stock) or bring a bookbag to one of the gross box stores. Linux is just one small part of taking power away from corporate assholes that treat their employees and customers like dirt, so try to keep the faith in every aspect of your life possible. Anyway, the command you're looking for is ln. It works as follows: (the #'s are just to signify the root command prompt) # ln [options] sourcename(s) [destination directory] where sourcename(s) is the fully qualified name of the file(s) you want to create links to (in your case libjavaplugin_oji.so) and destination directory is the directory you want the links to appear in (in my case it as /usr/local/mozilla0.9.3/mozilla/plugins, yours will be pretty similar - justmake sure it ends up in /plugins) The option you'll be using will be -s (for symbolic). So, assuming your netscape (dude, get mozilla...) directory were located like mine is, the command would be: # ln -s [your fully qualified libflashplayer.so file] /usr/local/netscape/plugins # ln -s [your fully qualified ShockwaveFlash.class file] /usr/local/netscape/plugins As an example, my fully qualified ShockwaveFlash.class file is /usr/local/flash_linux/ShockwaveFlash.class, so my commands would look like: # ln -s /usr/local/flash_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/netscape/plugins # ln -s /usr/local/flash_linux/ShockwaveFlash.class /usr/local/netscape/plugins Your command would only differ depending on where your netscape and flash folders are located. Anyway, after you install it you should use the simple command ls -l [destionation directory] to see that your symbolic link arrived appropriately. The line for the flash plugin should
Re: [newbie] MB CPU Suggestion Please
Tom Brinkman wrote: Yes, with 1.4 Tbirds selling for $120, and equaling the perfomance of 2 gig Pentium 4's just out. Seems like the best deal, no?. Maybe not. Processor mhz aren't everything. Most all peripheals, including the harddrives still run on the 33.3mhz PCI bus. Despite all the hoopla 'bout D(ouble) D(ata) R(ate) this and DDR that, including AGP , and Win-RAID, and whatever the current advertised fad is ... everything still runs thru the good ol' slow 33.3mhz PCI bus. Tom, I sort of feel like I know basic hardware stuff, I've built a few of my own comps from scratch and thought I knew the lingo and basic concepts, but when you talk about everything having a 33.3mhz PCI bus what does that mean? Is that the same thing as the 100/133/200/400 mhz bus people talk about on processors/boards? I have a PIII 866 with a 133 bus. Any enlightenment you can dish out is much appreciated. Gratefully, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Low Resource Window Manager?
Someone just the other day mentioned IceWM as a resource-appropriate window manager for her/his PII 166 with 32 megs. I've got a PII 266 with the same memory and am curious what suggestions people have for window managers that I can use which will allow me to get the most out of what I've got until my 128mb stick arrives in a week or so. Until now I've pretty much just been doing everything from the command line with lynx, pine, vi, and other basic text utilities. Please explain why the window manager you recommend is good on low resources. Also comment on any major pros/cons you can think of. Thanks so much! Learning, Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Membership?
I'm just curious how many people receive this email list. I counted almost exactly 300 people who have written to it at least once in the few weeks I've been on board. I actually had a specific reason I wanted to know this earlier today, but my memory ain't what it used to be and so if nothing else I'm sure I'll want to know if I ever remember what I was going to use it for. If nothing else it'd be neat to know. Thanks, Isaac PS - I just setup my computer as its own smtp server via exim today. I know it doesn't sound like much to most people but I was so excited, I didn't need any help, just my handy Linux NetAdmin's Guide. I'm also learning bash programming as I finish KR's ANSI C. This whole process is incredibly empowering. Thanks to everyone who puts up with my sometimes volumous questions. PPS - This is the first real email I'm sending from Mozilla. Until I config'd this thing as its own SMTP server I was SOL since my (ex)college doesn't allow remote smtp requests. It's so nice to be able to just hit reply... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Applications for Programming
Hey All, As I think I said in my other email, I am just finishing Kernighan Ritchie's The C Programming Language 2nd edition and I also lifted a copy of Learning the Bash Shell (O'Reilly) tonight that I'm starting to get into. My question/request is that I'm very excited to be learning these new things but I don't really know what to do with myself now. I'd like to have some relatively novice-level code to read and maybe some suggestions for beginners projects to help flex my new muscles. 1. What are some open-source programs that someone of my experience level could look at and try to tinker with that will help me to understand more about programming? 2. Since I'm starting to learn bash as we speak, what are some tasks that would be helpful and a little bit challenging for me to try to figure out how to automate with a script? 3. Last and *certainly* not least, what are some fun things I can do with what I know? Call me a newbie, but I don't yet see the gaming application of C. I used to write neat text-based games in QBasic when I was a little kid and I'd like to learn how to do more complex ones and maybe even graphical ones with my new bag of tricks. Any suggestions on where to turn for a start? Any current games whose code I could look over? 4. Ok, so this is the real last one: Once I start pushing my C a little further I'd like to expand into another language. I know the two most common suggestions will be Java and C++, and I know that everyone will say eventually I need to learn both. Well, which will give me the most immediate satisfaction? Does it make more sense to learn one before the other? Just looking for a few suggestions, I know these debates can get pretty testy. If it makes any difference, I'm really aching for something I can apply to some sort of game programs, even very simple ones. Thanks as always for your time, Respectfully, Isaac While the popular understanding of anarchism is of a violent, anti-State movement, anarchism is a much more subtle and nuanced tradition then a simple opposition to government power. Anarchists oppose the idea that power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic organisation. - L. Susan Brown, The Politics of Individualism, www.infoshop.org/faq Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
What's the difference between Xemacs and emacs? - Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Lunacy....
civileme wrote: On Monday 27 August 2001 21:11, brown1302 wrote: WHAT HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LINUX NEWBIE PROBLEMS!! THERE ARE OTHER VENUES FOR THIS CRAP Ummm, there is a sense of community on this list. The folks who like to criticize each other have many homes on the internet, but this is one of the places where we can and do afford to provide a pleasant experience most of the time as well as help a few people solve problems and learn a little more about their computers and Operating Systems. Ronald J. Hall has been here a while and has provided a lot of help on this and some other lists and has functioned as one of the guinea pigs for our latest and greatest (which is sometimes great at corrupting files and such). I suppose this could have been given an OT banner for the folks who pay for every message they read, but other than that, it does further this sense of community. If you want to call this crap and yell in all caps on this list as a regular practice, then my email burden will increase as people will be asking how to set up filters for your posts. This is not a threat or a warning or a yellow card, just a statement of fact. Keep the list a pleasant place to be, and make criticisms in a civil manner or people will most likely ignore you, leaving you with a linux manual for company when you actually need help. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit I second the motion. Tom (Brinkman), Sridhar and civileme are names used around my house and among offline Linux friends in my area. I smiled at the letter about this fellow's wedding plans, I shook my head in shared frustration when John Simmons was overwhelmed by his installation struggles, and I grinned when I saw our de facto tribal elder civileme opening this reply with the word Ummm. The last one was so significant because it made me realize just how much of a concrete community this group was, the fact that this slight twist on civile's normal to-the-point personality was significant to me and made me smile. This is what online forums should be. Hell, there aren't even many good communities available OFFLINE in today's world. I enjoy hearing about Ronald's wedding and I look forward to similarly pleasant anecdotes along the way as I grow out of my newbie boots. Even from a strictly strategic perspective, it is in the best interests of LM as a company to encourage these types of community building discussions, else all the current newbies will simply outgrow this list and move on to the expert one. To extend the thought, this will eventually lead to some portion of the LM population outgrowing LM itself to move on to a Debian/BSD system that is seen as more high-level. The building of communities like this mailing list will keep the current newbies around long after their newbie-ship, and the combination of their free tech support and their brand loyalty will prove priceless to LM in the long run. So kudos to civileme for giving a quasi-official stamp of approval to this fledgling online community. - Isaac The working man cannot. . . repurchase that which he has produced for his master. It is thus with all trades whatsoever. . . since, producing for a master who in one form or another makes a profit, they are obliged to pay more for their own labour than they get for it. - Proudon, What is Property www.infoshop.org/faq www.anarchistfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
