RE: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
Yeah, I will go along with Stephens critique.. :-) However I see photos of a boat on your page, so you must have something going for you... I am a boat nut and spend many hours a month reading the iboats.com forum posts. Anyone that likes boats and fishing can't be all bad. :-) I only own one photo of myself, and if you want to (can't imagine why) you can see it at the below site under about us. rgds Franki http://htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 6:58 AM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 08:39, JoeHill wrote: BTW, you can see my family, such as it is, at: http://nodex.sytes.net/family/ Our sincere sympathies lie with your wife and daughter. can you believe a schmo like me ended up with them?! No. I thought she might have been blind, but that not being the case, she must be a Saint. (g) -- Mon Jul 21 08:55:00 EST 2003 08:55:00 up 7 days, 58 min, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.24, 0.26 - |____ |kuhn media australia | | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Shirley MacLaine died today in a freak psychic collision today. Two freaks in a van [Oh no!! It's the Copyright Police!!] Her aura-charred body was laid to rest after a eulogy by Jackie Collins, fellow member of SAFE [Society of Asinine Flake Entertainers]. Excerpted from some of his more quotable comments: Truly a woman of the times. These times, those times... A Renaissance woman. Why in 1432... A man for all seasons. Really... After the ceremony, Shirley thanked her mourners and explained how delightful it was to get it together again, presumably referring to having her now dead body join her long dead brain. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
Hi all. I've got Mandrake 9.1 and I'm currently using Gnome2.2 for my desktop. However, I've noticed that there are a lot more things that seem to be written for KDE (themes, applications, etc.). What makes KDE so much more popular than Gnome? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:05:46 -0500 Brooks Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Hi all. I've got Mandrake 9.1 and I'm currently using Gnome2.2 for my desktop. However, I've noticed that there are a lot more things that seem to be written for KDE (themes, applications, etc.). What makes KDE so much more popular than Gnome? KDE seems to be more inclined to develop cool stuff for the newbie/end-user, like SuperKaramba, transparency, etc. Gnome seems to be in kinda a rut lately, tho there are a lot of cool things for Gnome as well. I personally *hate* KDE, but that's just me. Bloat (like Gnome) with incompatible themes (qt) and a more and more Windows-like interface. Plus, for a lot of people, KDE is simply what comes up first! Personally, if you like Gnome's interface, I would recommend XFCE4, which has 9.1 rpms on it's site courtesy of Todd Slater (yay Todd!) If yer into giving Gnome a chance, there are some sites to customise your desktop and such: http://www.gnomedesktop.org/index.php this site will link you to many Gnome resources! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Once you've tried to change the world you find it's a whole bunch easier to change your mind. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
I'm not real big on KDE either. I like Gnome because it seems to be very configurable and looks smoother than KDE. What do you mean by Bloat? JoeHill wrote: I personally *hate* KDE, but that's just me. Bloat (like Gnome) with incompatible themes (qt) and a more and more Windows-like interface. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:21:33 -0500 Brooks Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I'm not real big on KDE either. I like Gnome because it seems to be very configurable and looks smoother than KDE. What do you mean by Bloat? like having to load a whole bunch of background processes just to run the browser; it takes about 30 seconds to start up on my P3 866 with 392MB of RAM; etc. I like *fast*, like Pekwm G, but I am a big promoter of other WM's, like XFCE (version 4 is looking really sweet), Fluxbox is pretty nice, and if you want *serious* eye candy, try Waimea, tho devel on that one has been kinda stagnant of late. Too bad, it's a great project! Transparent *everything* (if you want), really cool themes, and you can even run different WM's and Desktops in one Waimea session, from what I've read. Try XFCE4, you will really like it if you like Gnome, and it has all the features from what I can see, supports Gnome themes, and is a *lot* lighter! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Goodbye, cool world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Sunday 20 July 2003 11:05 am, Brooks Family wrote: Hi all. I've got Mandrake 9.1 and I'm currently using Gnome2.2 for my desktop. However, I've noticed that there are a lot more things that seem to be written for KDE (themes, applications, etc.). What makes KDE so much more popular than Gnome? I would say that there are more tools to use, and a much better looking working environment. I can't understand why folks think that KDE is not a customizable as Gnome, as I think it is more customizable than Gnome. But I may be mistaken, as I have been using KDE for 3 years, and only dabbled in Gnome. -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:39:59 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:18:57 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: if I can get the girls to bed at a decent hour I saw your pics on your site, your family is beatiful! How much has really changed since RC1? Those RC1 RPMs were da bomb, and I am a Pekwm *fanatic* (did I say that before...?) BTW, you can see my family, such as it is, at: http://nodex.sytes.net/family/ can you believe a schmo like me ended up with them?! Thanks, Joe! Just curious, did you see a family album, or just the pic on the front page? Met the wife while teaching in Mexico and was able to convince her to marry me and leave her home. Possibly the biggest coup ever! Still consider myself lucky. Your family is beautiful, too. I think maybe you need another kid! rc2 rpm's are ready: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/. I haven't had much chance to see what's different--if rc1 works good for you, I don't see any pressing reason to upgrade. Todd -- Name that tune #8: I walked down there and ended up in one of them coffee houses on the block, I'd get on the stage and sing and play, the man there said come back some other day--you sound like a hillbilly, we want folksingers here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
They're ready: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ Todd On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:18:57 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. If you can get those put together, I'd really like to give it a try. Thanks. Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:45:54 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Plus, for a lot of people, KDE is simply what comes up first! Personally, if you like Gnome's interface, I would recommend XFCE4, which has 9.1 rpms on it's site courtesy of Todd Slater (yay Todd!) Yes, XFCE4 is very nice, and rc2 is out and I'll make the rpm's later today, if I can get the girls to bed at a decent hour :) -- Anybody but a Republican or Democrat 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 12:08, Todd Slater wrote: They're ready: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ Todd Crickey - now I have to get outta XFCE, get into WindowMaker and do this all over again! Dang! (g) Thanks, Todd - you're a great bloke! -- Mon Jul 21 13:55:00 EST 2003 13:55:00 up 7 days, 5:58, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.36, 0.24 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Him:Your skin is so soft. Are you a model? Her:No, [blush] I'm a cosmetologist. Him:Really? That's incredible... It must be very tough to handle weightlessness. -- The Jerk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Crickey - now I have to get outta XFCE, get into WindowMaker and do this all over again! Dang! (g) shite, with his rpms I was in and out in 10 minutes...minus the download time of course! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all. -- Thomas J. Kopp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 14:07, JoeHill wrote: On 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Crickey - now I have to get outta XFCE, get into WindowMaker and do this all over again! Dang! (g) shite, with his rpms I was in and out in 10 minutes...minus the download time of course! Keyword: DOWNLOAD TIME Some of us are on dial-up. -- Mon Jul 21 14:20:01 EST 2003 14:20:01 up 7 days, 6:23, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * The public demands certainties; it must be told definitely and a bit raucously that this is true and that is false. But there are no certainties. -- H.L. Mencken, Prejudice Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
On 21 Jul 2003 14:21:18 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Some of us are on dial-up. Whinge. ha ha! I got to say it fer once! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Everything is possible. Pass the word. -- Rita Mae Brown, Six of One Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome vs. KDE
Are you converting to XFCE? :) My plan is on any future installs, to just install xfce and pekwm. Well, don't need to intstall pekwm since it's just in my home dir. I like ice, but as rarely as i use it, i'll let it go. Also, i won't have to worry about that stupid gtk problem since ice is the only prog i have that appears to need the old version. Or maybe 9.2 will finaly move forward? I'm planning on seeing if all my efforts to find fast apps (pekwm, xfce, sylpheed, dillo) will make my old computer usable. I'll probably just use it as a file server anyway, but... eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
Actually there are many more options than just these two. Each has its advantages, so try 'em all and see which one(s) you like the best. When you install Linux, you'll be asked which graphical environment(s) you want to install. Choose 'em all. Upon each login you will be able to choose which one you want to try for that session. Pretty soon you'll see just how limiting Windows is with only one graphical environment. Warren El mar, 27-08-2002 a las 21:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
I use the following programs in the same time usually: vmware (running win98), mplayer, xmms, krusader, openoffice The cpu load in KDE 2.2 is around 89%, in gnome 1.4 around 31%(or even less) The machine is a 1,2GHz celeron with 256MB RAM I think it may not be a KDE versus gnome issue - and even if it is, then switching over to KDE 3.0.3 may be a good choice. I've been using KDE mostly (since about pre-1.0). KDE does require more horsepower than does gnome - at least from my experience. Of course, this is more noticeable on slower systems -- but I'm hesitant to believe that KDE in and of it- self is responsible for the difference in cpu load. It's more likely that some process (and it may be unique to your kde startup) is using up more CPU than it should be. My app load is somewhat similar - I don't normally have open office loaded, but it itself takes up a pretty fair amount of resources, and maybe what you're seeing is overloading because of the smaller memory footprint that gnome has vs. KDE, and that's probably noticeable on a 256 meg RAM system. Still that doesn't explain (at least to me) an increased CPU load. I have 256 megs of RAM also, and my 'normal' load is mozilla, konqueror, a couple of konsoles/xterms, xmms usually, mplayer, setiathome, and so forth. T. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On 30 Aug 2002 22:08:18 -0600, Warren Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there are many more options than just these two. Each has its advantages, so try 'em all and see which one(s) you like the best. When you install Linux, you'll be asked which graphical environment(s) you want to install. Choose 'em all. Upon each login you will be able to choose which one you want to try for that session. Pretty soon you'll see just how limiting Windows is with only one graphical environment. Give the IceWM a try. Not the light version on the distribution but the default available from http://icewm.sourceforge.net/ , v1.2.0 stable. Currently using icewm with only kde installed and it is fast. I tried xfce which is good but I prefer the icewm setup: more visual clues and more keyboard oriented. Richard. Warren El mar, 27-08-2002 a las 21:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 19:41, FemmeFatale wrote: best book i found and it doesn't assume any knowledge is called A Practical Guide To Linux by Mark G. Sobell. Hey, I've got a book here by Mark Sobell also, and it's one of the best books on Unix I've seen. Good author. What's the ISBN of the book you have? doesn't just say things like: heres how it works. It gives practical useful info on HOW it works why. Also gives info on how to get things done. Doesn't bog you down with tons of details at first cause you don't need them. -- Femme P.S. I sent this earlier but it did not make it to the list, so I'm CCing it this time. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
Just my experience: I use the following programs in the same time usually: vmware (running win98), mplayer, xmms, krusader, openoffice The cpu load in KDE 2.2 is around 89%, in gnome 1.4 around 31%(or even less) The machine is a 1,2GHz celeron with 256MB RAM Guess which one I'll use from now on. Still I need a good solution that works pretty much like krusader and koncd... any ideas? T. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gabriel Phoenix Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:59, Damian G wrote: On 28 Aug 2002 00:10:25 +0500 Gabriel Phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) This is my opinion and sound like the general consensus: KDE is the better manager, that is, has better integration and consistent interface and is more mature. Yet most of the better apps are GNOME/gtk based (Evolution, Pan, Galeon, GnuCash). Also KDE is more like MS Windows than GNOME. just one more comment on this. i still have not tried any beta of 9.0 ( i don't wanna ruin the surprise, so i'm waiting for the final release :o) ) GNOME has improved quite a bit. KDE is more windows-like so it more comfortable for windows user but GNOME has its appeal. You know the saying you have to develop a taste for it. but unless things have improved a LOT, a 'default' KDE installation will look somewhat 'dissapointing'. this is because it has no theme/style configured, nor does it have a modern icon set ( i'm talking about taste here, so you or others may think otherwise. this is just my opinion) So, write this down: www.kde-look.org after the install and all that, take your time and go to that site and make sure you make your Linux box pretty! hehehe :oP Oh I agree with you... it amazing what happens when people fool around with the settings. Both KDE and GNOME are well, dull, especially, when compared to the eye candy of XP and WindowBlinds for MS Windows. I guess it comes from the fact there are few graphic designers involved the creation of the distros and managers. As to themes KDE is way ahead of GNOME in this department. So my advice would be tinker... with KDE, remember to save your setup in the themes section because it can be a bitch to get it back if you change or loose those settings. Gabriel --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 2002.07.24. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 2002.08.21. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
Gabriel Phoenix wrote: [snip] Oh I agree with you... it amazing what happens when people fool around with the settings. Both KDE and GNOME are well, dull, especially, when compared to the eye candy of XP and WindowBlinds for MS Windows. I guess it comes from the fact there are few graphic designers involved the creation of the distros and managers. I haven't fiddled with XP much (my only experience was connecting a friend to the Net so he could register it before it self-destructed). I don't know if it as customisable as KDE - I love the fact that I not only have multiple desktops, but can have multiple wallpapers on each one. OK, it slows things down, but I just love seeing what's new on my Matrix desktop or my Star Wars desktop or ... Sir Robin -- So I repeat myself? I am great, I contain tautologies. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Üniversitesi Ankara Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
I use KDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :)
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 00:28, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Red Hat 4? That book is _way_ out of date. Ignore anything it says about graphical interfaces. One of the best books I've found so far for familiarizing a newbie with Linux internals was, surprisingly enough, a Red Hat Certified Engineer Study Guide. In hardback, and originally 60 bucks (US$), I noticed that it was about two years old; however, the networking, X windows, and other basics that a newbie needs were all there, and not really that out of date. The content, and the presentation of the content was so well done, I was impressed. When I saw that the book was only 14 bucks (marked down at Books A Million), I said what the heck, I'll give it a read. I've got people that are interested in Linux here, but could never point them to a really decent and cheap book till I saw that one. I wasn't disappointed, either; first impressions turned out to be good after a deeper look. The book had good technical pointers on Linux basics that would be of great use to both beginners and some experienced users. It came with a CD that runs you through some tests, which I haven't checked out yet. It's the RHCE study guide by Dave Egan, published by Osborne/McGraw Hill. ISBN 0-07-212155-6. You should install both so that you can use apps from both environments. KDE apps will work in GNOME and vice-versa. With both installed, you can try them and see for yourself. Any X is better than Y argument is bound to be very subjective. I strongly suggest that you install Mandrake 9.0 (to be released next month). The versions of GNOME and KDE included in Mandrake 9.0 are _far_ better than the ones in 8.2. Also remember that there are dozens of other environments out there, including Enlightenment and XFce, to name only a few. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Shameless plug for Enlightenment ! (With KDE app support enabled...) HTH, LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 00:28, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Red Hat 4? That book is _way_ out of date. Ignore anything it says about graphical interfaces. One of the best books I've found so far for familiarizing a newbie with Linux internals was, surprisingly enough, a Red Hat Certified Engineer Study Guide. best book i found and it doesn't assume any knowledge is called A Practical Guide To Linux by Mark G. Sobell. doesn't just say things like: heres how it works. It gives practical useful info on HOW it works why. Also gives info on how to get things done. Doesn't bog you down with tons of details at first cause you don't need them. -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:59, Damian G wrote: On 28 Aug 2002 00:10:25 +0500 Gabriel Phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) This is my opinion and sound like the general consensus: KDE is the better manager, that is, has better integration and consistent interface and is more mature. Yet most of the better apps are GNOME/gtk based (Evolution, Pan, Galeon, GnuCash). Also KDE is more like MS Windows than GNOME. just one more comment on this. i still have not tried any beta of 9.0 ( i don't wanna ruin the surprise, so i'm waiting for the final release :o) ) GNOME has improved quite a bit. KDE is more windows-like so it more comfortable for windows user but GNOME has its appeal. You know the saying you have to develop a taste for it. but unless things have improved a LOT, a 'default' KDE installation will look somewhat 'dissapointing'. this is because it has no theme/style configured, nor does it have a modern icon set ( i'm talking about taste here, so you or others may think otherwise. this is just my opinion) So, write this down: www.kde-look.org after the install and all that, take your time and go to that site and make sure you make your Linux box pretty! hehehe :oP Oh I agree with you... it amazing what happens when people fool around with the settings. Both KDE and GNOME are well, dull, especially, when compared to the eye candy of XP and WindowBlinds for MS Windows. I guess it comes from the fact there are few graphic designers involved the creation of the distros and managers. As to themes KDE is way ahead of GNOME in this department. So my advice would be tinker... with KDE, remember to save your setup in the themes section because it can be a bitch to get it back if you change or loose those settings. Gabriel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Gnome, or KDE
hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :)
RE: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
It would be just that 'comments', different programs were written/intended for different desktops. I have a few apps that I *LOVE* but they won't run on KDE, so my advice...install them both! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Gnome, or KDEhey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :)
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) This is my opinion and sound like the general consensus: KDE is the better manager, that is, has better integration and consistent interface and is more mature. Yet most of the better apps are GNOME/gtk based (Evolution, Pan, Galeon, GnuCash). Also KDE is more like MS Windows than GNOME. It comes down to personal preference more than anything else. Since almost 90% of the apps I use are GNOME/gtk based I made the choice to use GNOME exclusively. The benefit of this is a cleaner setup. Once again this is a personal preference. There is nothing stopping you from installing both which I did at first. You can use KDE apps in GNOME, and vice versa and most time they work without any problems. You will lose come of the integration thou. Also, there is nothing stopping you from switching back and forth from KDE and GNOME, or any other window manager. The apps require certain libraries not the windows manger to function. Doesn't work like MS Windows where you need the whole thing to work. Think of a window manager like a complex file manager. That is, it is a system management app not the underlying system itself. The either/or question applies more to distros than to windows manager. Mixing apps from different distros (e.g., Mandrake and Redhat) will cause too many problems and should only be done with extreme caution. Concerning your book, anything less than a year, is way out of date. Both KDE and GNOME have improved quite a bit in the past year. It is like comparing Win 3.1 to Win98. Read reviews from the Internet instead. So in conclusion experiment with both and choose which feels better. Welcome to a world where you have choice. Gabriel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Gnome, or KDE
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:00:40 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, i got 2 linux books from the library lol.. Dated about 2000 I believe... The book talks about Redhat 4. something so i guess its kinda old. Anyways I was wondering what is better, Gnome or KDE for Windows Manager. Let me know ur comments :) Red Hat 4? That book is _way_ out of date. Ignore anything it says about graphical interfaces. You should install both so that you can use apps from both environments. KDE apps will work in GNOME and vice-versa. With both installed, you can try them and see for yourself. Any X is better than Y argument is bound to be very subjective. I strongly suggest that you install Mandrake 9.0 (to be released next month). The versions of GNOME and KDE included in Mandrake 9.0 are _far_ better than the ones in 8.2. Also remember that there are dozens of other environments out there, including Enlightenment and XFce, to name only a few. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] gnome VS kde
Find is a bad example - it's got bugger all to do with KDE - it's a
stand
alone program, which utilises none of KDE's libraries, GUI or much
else.
You are talking about the console command 'find' aren't you? You
know, 'find
/ -user *.OLD -exec rm -f {} \;' type find aren't you... otherwise
all
bets are off.
Steve Flynn
NOP Data Migration Ops Analyst
* 01603 687386
If the command find is a bad example (i don't know) ,xine doesn't lie.
Ragno The Spider Stefano.
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Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:49:35 -0400, Naish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which are the important differences between them? (not the stupid ones, only the important) Thanks... Jorge Any kind of KDE vs GNOME review would be very subjective. In the end, it comes down to personal preferences and tastes. This is my take on things. While I like both environments, I prefer GNOME, and I have been using it for about two years now. KDE is targeted at the consumer, particularly one migrating from Windows. As a result, it can be viewed as 'Windows on steroids'. GNOME, on the other hand, offers a great deal of flexibility and power, at the expense of a little user-friendliness. GNOME can take a little longer to get used to, and its functionality can only be truly appreciated through experimentation and configuration. KDE is a bit more plug-'n-play, and once that's done, there's little much more that you can do. Generally, KDE apps should work in GNOME with no trouble, and vice versa. I use Konqueror in GNOME all the time. A lot has happened since Mandrake 8.0 was released, and if you really want to experience both KDE and GNOME properly, you should get the latest versions. For GNOME, you should try Ximian GNOME, which is more functional, easier to use, and much faster. Get it from http://www.ximian.com. Also, don't forget that there are a whole bunch of other environments out there. They may not have as much functionality, but they are often quite innovative, incorporating features and methodology that you may not see in the big two environments. They also tend to much lighter and faster. Examples of these include XFce, IceWM, Enlightenment, WindowMaker and Blackbox. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] gnome VS kde
Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock accidentally and then not know how to get back. --- Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure, it probably depends on what you feel is important. For example, you might call this stupid, but I had it up to here with accidently clicking log out menu item in KDE on the Big K menu. Also, KDE feels a bit sluggish. -Original Message- From: Naish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] gnome VS kde which are the important differences between them? (not the stupid ones, only the important) Thanks... Jorge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock accidentally and then not know how to get back. Just enter your password. And yeah, I always accidently hit logout in the K menu. Having the most destructive element being placed first in a menu is bad interface design. Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock accidentally and then not know how to get back. snip If I recall when you hit lock, you can recover by typing in your user password. It is a security feature for office settings where you may be leaving the station for a few minutes and need to secure the computer but don't want to shut down, so you lock it. HTH -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gnome VS kde
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:39:15PM -0500, Dennis Myers wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2001 20:25, you wrote: Funny you should mention that. Isn't there a way to move it? I'm scared to death I'm going to hit Lock accidentally and then not know how to get back. snip If I recall when you hit lock, you can recover by typing in your user password. It is a security feature for office settings where you may be leaving the station for a few minutes and need to secure the computer but don't want to shut down, so you lock it. HTH ...or as protection from kitten keyboarding ; - ) -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Mark David Hamilton Registered Linux user 212240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~kimark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] gnome VS kde
which are the important differences between them? (not the stupid ones, only the important) Thanks... Jorge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] gnome VS kde
I think Gnome is more resource hungry. Two examples are xine(a multimedia player) and the command find available in both environments. My machine(PIII 600, 256MB-RAM) can run xine at its full speed (200 frames on 200) only under KDE. Also if i try to find a file using the respective tool, KDE is faster. These examples suggest KDE is more SPEED-OPTIMIZED. Obviously this is only my opinion...may be someone agree with me Ragno The Spider Stefano. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Gnome v. KDE in LM8
Hello and thank you for reviewing my post... I recently installed LM8 as a companion o/s (dual-boot) on my machine. Once the boot selection is made, Linux boots flawlessly and presents the X terminal, where you identify the user and select your GUI. Oddly enough, there are vast performance differences between my two preferred GUI's...KDE starts and runs perfectly each time and has proven to be perfectly stable; Gnome, on the other hand, starts off normally but only lasts a short time before it freezes up the machine and requires the dreaded "reset" reboot. (The keyboard locks up as well, so Cntrl-Alt-Bkspc doesn't work either). My hunch is that it is related to the sound card, because if I disable sounds, the problem never happens. So, this leads me to believe there is a question of priority for the sound card...KDE seems to give the sound card a higher priority and thus is not affected, but my question is, how do you tell Gnome to give the sound card a higher priority, so that other devices won't interfere and freeze up the machine? (If that is indeed the problem) Any suggestions??? Thanks again Mike (THE new Linux Advocate) As a side note...My overall Linux experience is outstanding and although requiring more tweaking than Windows, I believe Linux is well on its way to being the o/s underdog for the home user. It's about time
Re: [newbie] Gnome v. KDE in LM8
Firstly, please do not post mail in HTML. If you look at the source for your original mail (not this one), you will notice that there are two copies of your message: an HTML one and a plain text one. All this does is make e-mail downloads longer for us. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello and thank you for reviewing my post... I recently installed LM8 as a companion o/s (dual-boot) on my machine. Once the boot selection is made, Linux boots flawlessly and presents the X terminal, where you identify the user and select your GUI. Oddly enough, there are vast performance differences between my two preferred GUI's...KDE starts and runs perfectly each time and has proven to be perfectly stable; Gnome, on the other hand, starts off normally but only lasts a short time before it freezes up the machine and requires the dreaded reset reboot. (The keyboard locks up as well, so Cntrl-Alt-Bkspc doesn't work either). This is definitely odd. I myself have always found GNOME to be rock-solid, and I've been using it since the 1.0.x days well over one and a half years ago. KDE isn't bad, but I've had quite a few problems with the 2.x series. KDE 2.0 wasn't usable for me at all. Other people, like yourself, have it the other way round: GNOME is unstable and KDE is great. My hunch is that it is related to the sound card, because if I disable sounds, the problem never happens. So, this leads me to believe there is a question of priority for the sound card...KDE seems to give the sound card a higher priority and thus is not affected, but my question is, how do you tell Gnome to give the sound card a higher priority, so that other devices won't interfere and freeze up the machine? (If that is indeed the problem) Yes, it does appear to be a sound problem. AFAIK, EsounD (the sound server for GNOME) isn't capable of priority-setting. It's for reasons like this that GNOME is dumping EsounD for their 2.0 release (due in December). They haven't nominated a successor as of yet, but ArtsD (KDE's sound server) looks a likely candidate. Maybe we can help more if you tell us the type of sound hardware you have. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] GNOME or KDE
Mark Weaver wrote: given the choice between the two I prefer KDE. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Joel Fitzgerald wrote: What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks Well, I used to be a die-hard GNOMEr, but KDE 2.0 is really pretty, and I find myself using it a lot--like just about all the time. BTW, I like ICEWM too. KDE is the desktop for green newbies fresh from Winblows, and 2.0 can definitely convert some users to linux. Then, the possibilities are endless. The only way the hardware manufacturers will support linux is if the user base is there. And, with the possibility of patents on file types, and the likelyhood that almost everything will be encrypted sometime in the future, and with the DMCA making it illegal to reverse engineer anything with encryption, it's imperative that more people use this system or it will be relegated to a niche market that can only read it's own file types.
[newbie] GNOME or KDE
What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks
Re: [newbie] GNOME or KDE
Blackbox ;-) peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com Registered Linux user #19071 On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Joel Fitzgerald wrote: What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks
Re: [newbie] GNOME or KDE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks === Nice way to start a war ;o) Personally, I don't use either. I prefer Blackbox. I do like several apps from both of those environments though, and I can access them all from Blackbox. If I HAD to choose, I'd say I prefer KDE, but again, w/ the option to use some Gnome apps. Mike -- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Frankilin __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [newbie] GNOME or KDE
given the choice between the two I prefer KDE. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." Linus Torvalds On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Joel Fitzgerald wrote: What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks
Re: [newbie] GNOME or KDE
Don't get us started here; you could start a war! I personally use GNOME, but many off the apps I use (Konqueror, Kmail, Kpackage, etc) are from KDE. It all comes down to personal choice. If you are asking to see which is better, try both yourself and make up your own mind. While you're doing that, try other environments like IceWM and BlackBox. There is far more to Linux GUIs than GNOME and KDE. On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:16, Joel Fitzgerald wrote: What do most people prefer to use, GNOME or KDE? Thanks -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
Re: [newbie] Gnome Vs. KDE
Does anybody know which is more memory and resource intensive? KDE1/KDE2 or Gnome? Kelly, Christopher wrote: Okay, I'm curious. How can I use Gnome instead of KDE? And what are the differneces? Thanks, Chris Kelly Registered Linux user 185775 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
[newbie] Gnome Vs. KDE
Okay, I'm curious. How can I use Gnome instead of KDE? And what are the differneces? Thanks, Chris Kelly Registered Linux user 185775
Re: [newbie] Gnome Vs. KDE
Okay, I'm curious. How can I use Gnome instead of KDE? When you boot up, at the login screen there should be a big list of desktop options in a dropdown box. Right now it probally says KDE, but you can pick any you want. And what are the differneces? The best way to explain it is to just try out Gnome yourself. I personally like Gnome better because KDE seems too Windowish and I like the way the DeskGuide works in Gnome. It's all a matter of personal preference though. I suggest you try out every different type of desktop, and then decide which one you like the best. Thanks, Chris Kelly Registered Linux user 185775 -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
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Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm curious. How can I use Gnome instead of KDE? When you boot up, at the login screen there should be a big list of desktop options in a dropdown box. Right now it probally says KDE, but you can pick any you want. And what are the differneces? The best way to explain it is to just try out Gnome yourself. I personally like Gnome better because KDE seems too Windowish and I like the way the DeskGuide works in Gnome. It's all a matter of personal preference though. I suggest you try out every different type of desktop, and then decide which one you like the best. === I usually don't enter into this type of discussion, but I do believe anthony gave good advice here. Try some different wm's and environments and see which one suits you best. Personally, I prefer Blackbox. I'm able to use any of the KDE or Gnome apps that I like, but don't carry the baggage of those bloated environments. Just my personal preference. If I'm in the mood for "eye-candy" I run E w/o Gnome and do the same thing, run the apps I like from either of the "big two". Mike ~~~ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." --Tom Waits ~~~ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [newbie] Gnome Vs. KDE
usually gnome and kde desktops get installed simultaneously. u can use either of them at the time of initial logging in. thereafter Mandrake72 asks u in what desktop u want to start using it. Click on Gnome or KDe ro wm or any other. Presto!On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Kelly, Christopher wrote: Okay, I'm curious. How can I use Gnome instead of KDE? And what are the differneces? Thanks, Chris Kelly Registered Linux user 185775 -- S.Ganesan Senior Scientist Central Institute of Agricultural Engineering Berasia Road Bhopal 462038, INDIA Phone: 0755-730986 (O) 0755-732105 (R) Fax:0755-734016 Email[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Address:http://www.ciae.nic.in
Re: [newbie] GNOME to KDE
Mr.David please type : switchdesk-kde or gnome OR use K--SYSTEM--SWITCH DESKTOP TOOLS . if you are in X. that's ok. satyajit - Original Message - From: David Loke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:07 AM Subject: [newbie] GNOME to KDE Hi, How can I switch from GNOME to KDE full environment? Rgds
Re: [newbie] GNOME to KDE
Run `switchdesk` from a terminal. If you get something like "command not found" try `desktopcfg`. -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, David Loke wrote: How can I switch from GNOME to KDE full environment?
[newbie] GNOME to KDE
Hi, How can I switch from GNOME to KDE full environment? Rgds
