Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:47:24 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might try opening a terminal and issuing a service -f devfsd which will restart devfs and recreate the links to the devices. It may, and I repeat may, cause the new card to be read without having to crawl around to unplug the reader. Joeb Nope. Worth a try, though. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader. I don't have supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually mount/umount it). I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and as expected the card mounts. I then umount it and put in a different card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too. I forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually mount/umount? Joeb I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui for it? Anyway, I had this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel Hmmm, you must have meant the second. Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux. Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Thursday 11 Sep 2003 11:08 am, RichardA wrote: I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui for it? Anyway, I had this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel Hmmm, you must have meant the second. Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux. Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard. Richard Actually, if you set it up using HardDrake, you can answer plain English questions to get the setting you want - IIRC, though, you must use the Advanced button to see some of the options. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
RichardA wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader. I don't have supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually mount/umount it). I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and as expected the card mounts. I then umount it and put in a different card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too. I forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually mount/umount? Joeb I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui for it? Anyway, I had this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel Hmmm, you must have meant the second. Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux. Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard. Richard I have this in my fstab, /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy and , umount /mnt/reader umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy on the CL , so I have to reboot each time I change a card. If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this, mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 and then mount it /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert. This is with M9.1 John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
John Richard Smith wrote: RichardA wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader. I don't have supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually mount/umount it). I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and as expected the card mounts. I then umount it and put in a different card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too. I forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually mount/umount? Joeb I hate fstab. All those optional fields. Isn't there a gui for it? Anyway, I had this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 Not knowing which auto you meant, I amended the first: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: fs type noauto not supported by kernel Hmmm, you must have meant the second. Actually, I'm much encouraged by the fact that you can swap cards willy-nilly. It means the problem is with my setup, and not with Linux. Perhaps a reinstall or some newer hardware will help -- this is a Celeron 300, on some random cheap motherboard. Richard I have this in my fstab, /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy and , umount /mnt/reader umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy on the CL , so I have to reboot each time I change a card. If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this, mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 and then mount it /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert. This is with M9.1 John I have a smart media reader ( dazzle ) which works fine supermounted. though i have to keep my 8 mg card in the reader or I will get Invalid disk read errors if I reboot. I'm not at home now but if you write me off list I can tell you how I set it up at home. ( I like to do things gui too ;-) if possible ) -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA == Dual booting 98lite;MDK 9.1 stock kernel Kde 3.1 Registered Linux User #248955 liquid/acqua Theme == If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:38:09 -0500, Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I just tried this with my smart media reader. I don't have supermount or auto enabled for the device (ie I have to manually mount/umount it). I put in a card and issue a mount /mnt/smedia and as expected the card mounts. I then umount it and put in a different card and reissue the mount command and it mounts that card, too. I forget all the details of the original post, but what happens if you replace auto with noauto in the /etc/fstab for the device and manually mount/umount? I mustn't have been awake when I read this post. ML gave a convincing explanation for why this problem happens, and how I need to unplug the card reader. Now you tell me yours works anyway. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 11 September 2003 09:36 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I have this in my fstab, /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 but like you it will not unmount in GUI I get umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy and , umount /mnt/reader umount: /mnt/reader: device is busy on the CL , so I have to reboot each time I change a card. If you remove the entry above from fstab you will not have a device at all unless you specifically make one on the command line like this, mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 and then mount it /dev/sda1 /mnt/reader At any rate that is my experience, don't claim to be an expert. This is with M9.1 John One thing to keep in mind about mounted drives, especially with removable media is that once you mount the drive and open it up with any application, the drive will stay active until the application is closed. So, if I open a konqueror window and navigate to the removable drive, even if I then move back to a hard drive partition, the removable device will stay busy until I close Konqueror. If I open a command prompt, cd to the /mnt/removable device and then cd back to /home/user, the device will still stay busy until I close the prompt. That is in the GUI. It does the same thing with a CD or DVD device. Not sure if this is material but thought I would mention it just in case. I feel that to be correct. The device remains open until closed , trouble is I cann't get it to close anywhich way,once opened, and so I cannot unmount. I close the reader window, attempt unmount with rightmouse to to umount, and get that message. So lets try that on the CL as well [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/reader [EMAIL PROTECTED] reader]# ls dcim/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] reader]# cd dcim [EMAIL PROTECTED] dcim]# ls 100v1310/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] dcim]# cd 100v1310 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 100v1310]# ls dsci0001.jpg* dsci0006.jpg* dsci0011.jpg* dsci0016.jpg* dsci0021.jpg* dsci0002.jpg* dsci0007.jpg* dsci0012.jpg* dsci0017.jpg* dsci0003.jpg* dsci0008.jpg* dsci0013.jpg* dsci0018.jpg* dsci0004.jpg* dsci0009.jpg* dsci0014.jpg* dsci0019.jpg* dsci0005.jpg* dsci0010.jpg* dsci0015.jpg* dsci0020.jpg* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 100v1310]# cd [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# umount /mnt/reader ok so that appears to work now lets put another card in, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# mount /mnt/reader mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems I don't think it really closed the app before umounting Seems like I got to remove the device and remake it again and then remount it to get the card to be read again, which is a pain , I might just as well reboot, but still I'm no expert I could be completely wrong. I mean the device is 9/10's there and it does work, but I still have this little glitch. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
n Thursday 11 September 2003 09:36 am, John Richard Smith wrote: One thing to keep in mind about mounted drives, especially with removable media is that once you mount the drive and open it up with any application, the drive will stay active until the application is closed. So, if I open a konqueror window and navigate to the removable drive, even if I then move back to a hard drive partition, the removable device will stay busy until I close Konqueror. If I open a command prompt, cd to the /mnt/removable device and then cd back to /home/user, the device will still stay busy until I close the prompt. That is in the GUI. It does the same thing with a CD or DVD device. Not sure if this is material but thought I would mention it just... I thought that supermoung-ng was supposed to fix this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On 09 Sep 2003 20:22:59 -0700, Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny my USB pen drive is shown on the desktop as harddisk sda1 and I have to mount and un mount it manualy. I didn't do anything I just plugged it in. But what if you plugged in a different pen drive? Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Think this is a cross between a hotplug error and a removable source being treated as a harddisk You shouldn't need to run diskdrake each time, hotplug should do it all automatically. Prolem is hotplug doesn't relise anything has changed until the whole device is removed and reinsterted. People with proper USB harddisks / Pen Disks (or whatever) won't have this problem. It's a bit like a disk in a floppy drive bing treated as a harddisk. Your having to change the whole drive to change 1 disk. Mike RichardA wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:39:15 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried removing the whole card reader, changing cards and plugging the card reader back in? That works! I unplug, run diskdrake, replug, run diskdrake again, and I can see a different card. I think having to run diskdrake may be a different problem, by the way. Think it may have something to do with linux thinging it's a usb harddisk rather than a removable media. Surely this just happens to me? If it was a 'feature' of linux, it would be common knowledge, no? Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
I have a 6 in 1 card reader (well it has 4 slots init) sda, sdb, sdc and sdd are the devices the extra number on the end is the partition on the disk. Since all card reader use the scsi module they are treated as hard disks. The problem is we can remove the card without removing the whole drive and nothing seems to be set up to deal with this. It's very annoying, and to be honest having to type in options scsi-mod max_scsi_luns=255 into my modules.conf very annoying. Why can't harddrake do this for me? It is a very worrying state of affairs when somehing works better under windows than in linux. Especally in something so simple. I'd be interested to know how apple implemented it as they use some form of BSD underneath the pretty pictures. And it works great on the mac Mike Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 10 Sep 2003 3:50 pm, RichardA wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:12:48 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It certainly sounds ok. I'm clean out of ideas, atm, Richard Me too, Anne. I've a better idea of why this is happening (the card reader doesn't change when the card does, so no updated card info). Can other people read more than one sdram card without unplugging the whole card reader? If the problem is mine, I'll keep looking for a fix. If this is the state of the art for usb removable storage, in 2003, then Linux is NOT ready for the desktop. I don't know the answer to that Richard. I don't use an sdram cardreader. I guess that part of the problem is the huge range of hardware we use for removable storage, so we don't always find someone else with experience of the problem. If you don't get an answer here, try asking the expert list. Some of the people are the same as here, but there are others too, and one of them might know. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 07:06, RichardA wrote: On 09 Sep 2003 20:22:59 -0700, Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny my USB pen drive is shown on the desktop as harddisk sda1 and I have to mount and un mount it manualy. I didn't do anything I just plugged it in. But what if you plugged in a different pen drive? Richard I'll have to buy or borrow on to find out.I just want to use it for a multimedia thing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:51 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 in 1 card reader (well it has 4 slots init) sda, sdb, sdc and sdd are the devices the extra number on the end is the partition on the disk. Since all card reader use the scsi module they are treated as hard disks. The problem is we can remove the card without removing the whole drive and nothing seems to be set up to deal with this. It's very annoying, and to be honest having to type in options scsi-mod max_scsi_luns=255 into my modules.conf very annoying. Why can't harddrake do this for me? This sets the max number of scsi devices? What's the default? I've seen a thread which says don't edit /etc/modules.conf, but edit /etc/modutils/aliases, then run update-modules. Myself, I wouldn't know. It is a very worrying state of affairs when somehing works better under windows than in linux. Especally in something so simple. Indeed. I'd be interested to know how apple implemented it as they use some form of BSD underneath the pretty pictures. And it works great on the mac And how soon can we get it into Linux. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:16:37 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think this is a cross between a hotplug error and a removable source being treated as a harddisk You shouldn't need to run diskdrake each time, hotplug should do it all automatically. Yes, that's a different problem. Prolem is hotplug doesn't relise anything has changed until the whole device is removed and reinsterted. People with proper USB harddisks / Pen Disks (or whatever) won't have this problem. It's a bit like a disk in a floppy drive bing treated as a harddisk. Your having to change the whole drive to change 1 disk. Nice analogy. I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't have to crawl around on the floor to get to the USB sockets. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On 10 Sep 2003 09:24:41 -0700, Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 07:06, RichardA wrote: On 09 Sep 2003 20:22:59 -0700, Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny my USB pen drive is shown on the desktop as harddisk sda1 and I have to mount and un mount it manualy. I didn't do anything I just plugged it in. But what if you plugged in a different pen drive? Richard I'll have to buy or borrow on to find out.I just want to use it for a multimedia thing. Actually, I think another would work fine. Michael Lothian explained it as a problem where you can change media rather than whole drives. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 13:24, RichardA wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:16:37 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think this is a cross between a hotplug error and a removable source being treated as a harddisk You shouldn't need to run diskdrake each time, hotplug should do it all automatically. Yes, that's a different problem. Prolem is hotplug doesn't relise anything has changed until the whole device is removed and reinsterted. People with proper USB harddisks / Pen Disks (or whatever) won't have this problem. It's a bit like a disk in a floppy drive bing treated as a harddisk. Your having to change the whole drive to change 1 disk. Nice analogy. I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't have to crawl around on the floor to get to the USB sockets. Think Hub. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 11:38 pm, RichardA wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:42:56 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running mounting auto, rather than supermount, and use KwikDisk. Tried with and without supermount. And doesn't KwikDisk just automate the mount command? KwikDisk is useful if you want to mount/umount when combined with automount. It may not have a bearing on your problem, but it's one thing you could try. I don't think this is just a case of supermount being broken. The previous filesystem to be mounted seems to be'remembered' after it has been unmounted, which stops a second one being mounted. I don't think supermount is broken. It's just that if it knows about anything, anywhere on your system that is acting as a file manager at that moment it will not release the lock. That's why it is essential to shut down all Konqueror windows, or similar, even if they are looking elsewhere. Hope that makes it clearer. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 9:54 am, John Richard Smith wrote: RichardA wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:27:09 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you checked that the second card doens't have any other partitions on it. Either card works, as long as it is used first. Alternativly you could set up up to use super mount, which would negate the need to use the mount command altogether. Like many people, I had problems with supermount. I've just turned it back on, and I'm still having the same problem. No icons appear on the desktop automatically, though. Should they? Richard With supermount you cannot rightmouse click the desktop down to create newwhater device. Instead KDE-look'n'feel - behaviour, then put an |x| against the device, only if it's anything like my experiece it don't work properly most of the time.So I gave up on supermount. John The easiest way to make supermount work again is to do it in MCC. With the card in, go to Mount Points. You should see one for it there. If you select that, then Options you can set supermount. It should ask you if you want your fstab updating. Agree and you should be fine. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 08 Sep 2003 11:38 pm, RichardA wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:42:56 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running mounting auto, rather than supermount, and use KwikDisk. Tried with and without supermount. And doesn't KwikDisk just automate the mount command? KwikDisk is useful if you want to mount/umount when combined with automount. It may not have a bearing on your problem, but it's one thing you could try. I don't think this is just a case of supermount being broken. The previous filesystem to be mounted seems to be'remembered' after it has been unmounted, which stops a second one being mounted. I don't think supermount is broken. It's just that if it knows about anything, anywhere on your system that is acting as a file manager at that moment it will not release the lock. That's why it is essential to shut down all Konqueror windows, or similar, even if they are looking elsewhere. Hope that makes it clearer. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 9, 2003 05:19 am, Michael Lothian wrote: Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. I wouldn't be certain of that. I had no trouble with supermount as shipped with 8.2 but lots of others did. 9.0 was a wash, 9.1 worked when it wanted to, 9.2 RC2well the jury is still out here. :-) Supermount-ng is included in the latest mdk kernels from cooker. I'll still su supermount -i disable for now. Charlie Anne Wilson wrote: I don't think supermount is broken. It's just that if it knows about anything, anywhere on your system that is acting as a file manager at that moment it will not release the lock. That's why it is essential to shut down all Konqueror windows, or similar, even if they are looking elsewhere. Hope that makes it clearer. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-6mdk 05:26:16 up 1 day, 6:55, 1 user, load average: 1.26, 0.71, 0.50 According to Kentucky state law, every person must take a bath at least once a year. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/XbnfG11CaRuZZSIRAv9BAKCYRN/8t9T7yImZ9YxxH78v9KWx9QCfe7uw hyOHuheIoPfRdiJ3PVBSumE= =Goan -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:54:56 +, John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With supermount you cannot rightmouse click the desktop down to create newwhater device. Instead KDE-look'n'feel - behaviour, then put an |x| against the device, only if it's anything like my experiece it don't work properly most of the time.So I gave up on supermount. John Me too. But whilst I can't mount a second card, I can stil mount the first. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:56:08 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's an older motherboard, it could be that APM might have shutdown power to the USB port? (only ran across that issue once, and got rid of APM as well...) stephen kuhn - owner That's good troubleshooting/lateral thinking, but I can still mount the first card when the second won't, so the USB port is awake. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 12:30 pm, Charlie M. wrote: September 9, 2003 05:19 am, Michael Lothian wrote: Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. I wouldn't be certain of that. I had no trouble with supermount as shipped with 8.2 but lots of others did. 9.0 was a wash, 9.1 worked when it wanted to, 9.2 RC2well the jury is still out here. :-) Supermount-ng is included in the latest mdk kernels from cooker. I'll still su supermount -i disable for now. Charlie From all I've read on this - and it's a lot - I have come to the conclusion that it works faultlessly on some systems and not at all on others, with many in-betweens. I feel that it is possibly a matter of what else is installed, and whether something could be interfering with it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 12:29 pm, RichardA wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:56:08 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's an older motherboard, it could be that APM might have shutdown power to the USB port? (only ran across that issue once, and got rid of APM as well...) stephen kuhn - owner That's good troubleshooting/lateral thinking, but I can still mount the first card when the second won't, so the USB port is awake. Is there any indication that it actually unmounting? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:53:59 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunatly I can't find my other mmc card to test any of this out. Could you tel me what's in your /dev/scsi all the way do disk for each card when they're actually working Also has anyone figured out how to get supermount devices to appear on hte desktop as the options in KDe Control Centre don't allow it Thanks Mike I just have this in /dev/scsi: $ ls /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/ cd Then I put a card in the cardreader and run diskdrake. It appears on host1: $ ls /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/ disc part1 I don't know if this shows an extra partition, or is 'disk' the emulated scsi disk? $ ls -l /dev/sda1 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 34 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda1 - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 $ ls -l /dev/sda lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc etc/fstab points to /dev/dsa1: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 It still seems to me the dynamic filesystem under /dev isn't being cleared up when the card is taken out. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:03:09 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KwikDisk is useful if you want to mount/umount when combined with automount. It may not have a bearing on your problem, but it's one thing you could try. I'd have to install KDE first. I don't think supermount is broken. It's just that if it knows about anything, anywhere on your system that is acting as a file manager at that moment it will not release the lock. That's why it is essential to shut down all Konqueror windows, or similar, even if they are looking elsewhere. In fact, I had a problem with fam a while ago, and even closing all terminals and Nautilus windows didn't make it let go of the mounted filesystem. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:50 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any indication that it actually unmounting? Anne Well the umount command doesn't error, and /mnt/removable empties, so I think it is. Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 2:41 pm, RichardA wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:56:50 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any indication that it actually unmounting? Anne Well the umount command doesn't error, and /mnt/removable empties, so I think it is. Richard It certainly sounds ok. I'm clean out of ideas, atm, Richard Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:19:12 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. What's the difference between normal and ng? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 9, 2003 09:35 am, Miark wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:19:12 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. What's the difference between normal and ng? Miark Renaming to avoid confusion as far as I know. Next Generation? http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/ That link should help. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-6mdk 10:12:42 up 1 day, 11:42, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.36, 0.29 The Three Major Kind of Tools * Tools for hitting things to make them loose or to tighten them up or jar their many complex, sophisticated electrical parts in such a manner that they function perfectly. (These are your hammers, maces, bludgeons, and truncheons.) * Tools that, if dropped properly, can penetrate your foot. (Awls) * Tools that nobody should ever use because the potential danger is far greater than the value of any project that could possibly result. (Power saws, power drills, power staplers, any kind of tool that uses any kind of power more advanced than flashlight batteries.) -- Dave Barry, The Taming of the Screw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/XfynG11CaRuZZSIRAqeqAKCjALtwwrq+Wfhzcm7Y4FvWs2reHACgr11Q Izj5Lhya3/sIHeNGny99a0k= =LXc4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 9, 2003 10:31 am, Miark wrote: I must be blind--I looked at that page and missed that whole paragraph on the rewrite to ng. So is Mandrake implementing ng in 9.2? Miark Hence why I use supermoung-ng it doesn't have this issue. What's the difference between normal and ng? Renaming to avoid confusion as far as I know. Next Generation? http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/ That link should help. It's already in the latest kernels and was (IIRC) in the last few multi-media kernels and the tmb series of 'hack' kernels or whatever Thomas calls the ones that he builds that work so well. ;-) I'll be happy when the run up to 9.2 final is done so I can install whatever weird combination of stuff I like without having to try to keep track of what didn't come from the officially unofficial cooker tree. As to the missed paragraph we've all been there, done that, and burned the T-Shirt afterward. At least once. g Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-6mdk 11:57:21 up 1 day, 13:26, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.41, 0.37 fenderberg, n.: The large glacial deposits that form on the insides of car fenders during snowstorms. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/XhWWG11CaRuZZSIRAlvfAJ9EGW8HAkupg+vrZc36fD1F/wAmKgCeNoK0 g5HP1te/zuru5qOZY2Z6VDU= =UVc0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Have you tried removing the whole card reader, changing cards and plugging the card reader back in? Think it may have something to do with linux thinging it's a usb harddisk rather than a removable media. Mike RichardA wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:53:59 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunatly I can't find my other mmc card to test any of this out. Could you tel me what's in your /dev/scsi all the way do disk for each card when they're actually working Also has anyone figured out how to get supermount devices to appear on hte desktop as the options in KDe Control Centre don't allow it Thanks Mike I just have this in /dev/scsi: $ ls /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/ cd Then I put a card in the cardreader and run diskdrake. It appears on host1: $ ls /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/ disc part1 I don't know if this shows an extra partition, or is 'disk' the emulated scsi disk? $ ls -l /dev/sda1 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 34 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda1 - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 $ ls -l /dev/sda lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc etc/fstab points to /dev/dsa1: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 It still seems to me the dynamic filesystem under /dev isn't being cleared up when the card is taken out. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
RichardA wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:42:56 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running mounting auto, rather than supermount, and use KwikDisk. Tried with and without supermount. And doesn't KwikDisk just automate the mount command? I don't think this is just a case of supermount being broken. The previous filesystem to be mounted seems to be'remembered' after it has been unmounted, which stops a second one being mounted. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You might try creating a second directory under /mnt and add an additional line to the /etc/fstab for /dev/sdb1. IIRC, the first USB is being seen as SDA1, then when you plug a different one in, it gets assigned SDB1. I'm sure there is some setting to keep it from caching the device, but I don't know what it is. I have the same problem with a USB key and a card reader. Whichever is mounted first becomes SDA1 the other SDB1. Maybe, multiple USB keys do the same. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 10:39, Michael Lothian wrote: Have you tried removing the whole card reader, changing cards and plugging the card reader back in? Think it may have something to do with linux thinging it's a usb harddisk rather than a removable media. Mike RichardA wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:53:59 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunatly I can't find my other mmc card to test any of this out. Could you tel me what's in your /dev/scsi all the way do disk for each card when they're actually working Also has anyone figured out how to get supermount devices to appear on hte desktop as the options in KDe Control Centre don't allow it Thanks Mike I just have this in /dev/scsi: $ ls /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/ cd Then I put a card in the cardreader and run diskdrake. It appears on host1: $ ls /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/ disc part1 I don't know if this shows an extra partition, or is 'disk' the emulated scsi disk? $ ls -l /dev/sda1 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 34 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda1 - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 $ ls -l /dev/sda lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 33 Sep 9 12:36 /dev/sda - scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc etc/fstab points to /dev/dsa1: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,umask=0,exec 0 0 It still seems to me the dynamic filesystem under /dev isn't being cleared up when the card is taken out. Richard Funny my USB pen drive is shown on the desktop as harddisk sda1 and I have to mount and un mount it manualy. I didn't do anything I just plugged it in. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
HAve you checked that the second card doens't have any other partitions on it. You can use mtools to check I think. I remember I has problems with an MMC card on my MP3 player cos it had a tiny partition at the end and it refused to work Alternativly you could set up up to use super mount, which would negate the need to use the mount command altogether. Mike Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:27, RichardA wrote: Hi, I can mount an sdram card using a USB device (camera or card reader), but once I've looked at one, if I unmount it, and try to mount another: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified I can still mount the original card at this point. I don't believe the error message, I think it's something to do with autofs, or devfs, not deleting something dynamically. Or something. But is there a fix? Richard fam is doing this - you can disable it as a system service - or stop it from a term - either which, once you stop fam, then you'll be able to slap cards'n'cd's without that ghost effect... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The moss on the tree does not fear the talons of the hawk. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:27:09 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you checked that the second card doens't have any other partitions on it. Either card works, as long as it is used first. Alternativly you could set up up to use super mount, which would negate the need to use the mount command altogether. Like many people, I had problems with supermount. I've just turned it back on, and I'm still having the same problem. No icons appear on the desktop automatically, though. Should they? Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:40:58 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified fam is doing this - you can disable it as a system service - or stop it from a term - either which, once you stop fam, then you'll be able to slap cards'n'cd's without that ghost effect... stephen kuhn - owner I had a run-in with fam a while ago, so I stopped it. This is an old motherboard, which might have poor usb support, and I've recently had to run diskdrake to get the card recognised before mounting it. Perhaps there's a connection? Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 3:36 pm, RichardA wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:27:09 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you checked that the second card doens't have any other partitions on it. Either card works, as long as it is used first. Alternativly you could set up up to use super mount, which would negate the need to use the mount command altogether. Try running mounting auto, rather than supermount, and use KwikDisk. Like many people, I had problems with supermount. I've just turned it back on, and I'm still having the same problem. No icons appear on the desktop automatically, though. Should they? You can set in KDE's Control Centre which things you want to show as an icon. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
I assume not. Or rather I've not seen any since version 7 or 8. If you use the newest kernel it uses the supermoung-ng patch so it works really well and doesn't get con-fuss-ed when you still have Konquerer open and your trying to eject a CD Try using the latest mandrake kernel or the tmb mandrake kernel and make sure your /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab read something like none /mnt/mmc supermount rw,sync,dev=/dev/sdb1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 (for mtab) and none /mnt/mmc supermount dev=/dev/sdb1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage= 850,umask=0,sync 0 0 (for fstab) Where /mnt/mmc is the mount point and /dev/sdb1 is the partition on the disk Mike RichardA wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:27:09 +0100, Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you checked that the second card doens't have any other partitions on it. Either card works, as long as it is used first. Alternativly you could set up up to use super mount, which would negate the need to use the mount command altogether. Like many people, I had problems with supermount. I've just turned it back on, and I'm still having the same problem. No icons appear on the desktop automatically, though. Should they? Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Unfortunatly I can't find my other mmc card to test any of this out. Could you tel me what's in your /dev/scsi all the way do disk for each card when they're actually working Also has anyone figured out how to get supermount devices to appear on hte desktop as the options in KDe Control Centre don't allow it Thanks Mike RichardA wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:42:56 +0100, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try running mounting auto, rather than supermount, and use KwikDisk. Tried with and without supermount. And doesn't KwikDisk just automate the mount command? I don't think this is just a case of supermount being broken. The previous filesystem to be mounted seems to be'remembered' after it has been unmounted, which stops a second one being mounted. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
Hi, I can mount an sdram card using a USB device (camera or card reader), but once I've looked at one, if I unmount it, and try to mount another: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified I can still mount the original card at this point. I don't believe the error message, I think it's something to do with autofs, or devfs, not deleting something dynamically. Or something. But is there a fix? Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mounting USB mass storage devices
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:27, RichardA wrote: Hi, I can mount an sdram card using a USB device (camera or card reader), but once I've looked at one, if I unmount it, and try to mount another: [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]$ mount /mnt/removable/ mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified I can still mount the original card at this point. I don't believe the error message, I think it's something to do with autofs, or devfs, not deleting something dynamically. Or something. But is there a fix? Richard fam is doing this - you can disable it as a system service - or stop it from a term - either which, once you stop fam, then you'll be able to slap cards'n'cd's without that ghost effect... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The moss on the tree does not fear the talons of the hawk. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
