[newbie] Thunderbird access question
My MTA is Postfix, my mail client is Thunderbird. ML10.1. When I try to retrieve my messages I get a message stating Movemail cannot create a lock file, and I am supposed to chmod /var/spool directory mode 1777, which solves the problem until the following day. The security level of my system does not like /var/spool being world writable and changes the mode back to what is was. I read somewhere that I could get around this by adding something to the mail group, but I cannot locate it again. Your assistance would keep me from pulling out what little hair I have left. Thanks, JB Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird problems
Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Rosemary if the program hangs you type on in your konsole ps -ef | grep thunderbird You will see serveral processes. Kill those processes using kill -9 the xxx is the pid number that needs to be killed. hope that helps kevin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
On Thursday 24 Feb 2005 14:36, Kevin Ferguson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Rosemary if the program hangs you type on in your konsole ps -ef | grep thunderbird You will see serveral processes. Kill those processes using kill -9 the xxx is the pid number that needs to be killed. hope that helps kevin Hi Kevin the straight line after ef and before grep is a forwards slash? Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Thursday 24 Feb 2005 14:36, Kevin Ferguson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Rosemary if the program hangs you type on in your konsole ps -ef | grep thunderbird You will see serveral processes. Kill those processes using kill -9 the xxx is the pid number that needs to be killed. hope that helps kevin Hi Kevin the straight line after ef and before grep is a forwards slash? Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Rosemary It should be a straight line. i think its called a Pipe so it should look below. ps -ef | grep thunderbird you might see it as a broken line on you keyboard, mine is next to the my shift key on my laptop. Regards Kevin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Thursday 24 Feb 2005 14:36, Kevin Ferguson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Rosemary if the program hangs you type on in your konsole ps -ef | grep thunderbird You will see serveral processes. Kill those processes using kill -9 the xxx is the pid number that needs to be killed. hope that helps kevin Hi Kevin the straight line after ef and before grep is a forwards slash? Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Just type ps -ef or ps -aux and look for thunderbird, the | is called more its above the right shift key or left of the backspace key. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
From: Rosemary McGillicuddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if the program hangs you type on in your konsole ps -ef | grep
thunderbird You will see serveral processes. Kill those processes
using kill -9 the xxx is the pid number that needs to be killed.
hope that helps
kevin
Hi Kevin
the straight line after ef and before grep is a forwards slash?
Thanks
Rosemary
No. It is the upper case version of the backslash. / = slash,
\ = backslash, | is a vertical bar or pipe in the parlance.
{^_^}
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Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 14:30 +1300, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. As usual, TIMTOWTDI (there is more than one way to do it!). I'm babysitting student labs now so I can't go to a Mandrake machine to find out exactly where, but somewhere in your menus you'll find Xkill. Click on that and the cursor turns into a death's head. Now click the death's head on the offending application -- it should be gone. From the command line try ps aux | grep Thunderbird. This should give you a list of all the processes running that have Thunderbird in their name (hopefully only the one). On this SuSE system I get a listing that shows the user name in the first column and a number representing the pid or process ID in the second. Now type kill pid, and if that doesn't work kill -9 pid. ps gives a long list of all the processes running, their owner, pid, how long they've been alive and all sorts of interesting stuff. You could just page through the list, but it is easier to pipe it ( | ) to the grep command which looks for a string (in this case Thunderbird) and returns only the lines containing it. HTH -- N. B. Day Registered Linux user # 333228 @ http://counter.li.org N 30 1.602 W 90 4.070 8:10pm up 9 days 12:50, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.12 SuSE Linux 9.2 (i586) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
N. B. Day wrote: On Thu, 2005-02-24 at 14:30 +1300, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. As usual, TIMTOWTDI (there is more than one way to do it!). I'm babysitting student labs now so I can't go to a Mandrake machine to find out exactly where, but somewhere in your menus you'll find Xkill. Click on that and the cursor turns into a death's head. Now click the death's head on the offending application -- it should be gone. From the command line try ps aux | grep Thunderbird. This should give you a list of all the processes running that have Thunderbird in their name (hopefully only the one). On this SuSE system I get a listing that shows the user name in the first column and a number representing the pid or process ID in the second. Now type kill pid, and if that doesn't work kill -9 pid. ps gives a long list of all the processes running, their owner, pid, how long they've been alive and all sorts of interesting stuff. You could just page through the list, but it is easier to pipe it ( | ) to the grep command which looks for a string (in this case Thunderbird) and returns only the lines containing it. HTH One more way. killall -9 mozilla-thunderbird if you installed from the RPM, or killall -9 thunderbird if you didn't. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 05:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. kinda rough ,but left Ctrl+Alt +Esc will change your cursor to a skullcrossbones click on the app you want to kill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 07:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. You can also put your mouse pointer on a empty space on the tbird and hit ctl-alt-esc and a skull and crossbones appears, then just hit enter and voila! gone. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird problems
On Thursday 24 Feb 2005 17:16, Dennis Myers wrote: On Wednesday 23 February 2005 07:30 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Nothing but problems with Tbird in linux for me. Think I will go back to Kmail but in the meantime Tbird is frozen and I can't shut it down. I'm sure there will be a way in the command line, and going through Rute but in the meantime if anyone can help me shut it down I'd be very glad thanks. You can also put your mouse pointer on a empty space on the tbird and hit ctl-alt-esc and a skull and crossbones appears, then just hit enter and voila! gone. HTH That's very cool! And appropriate when something is misbehaving ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird preview pane
Now I have a Thunderbird question. When this happened this morning I remembered it was why I quit using TB last time and went back to Kontact: In the preview pane of messages I don't get the whole message. If I open the message separate (like, double-click it) then in the new window I can scroll and see the whole message, but not in the preview pane. Weird. IIRC when I was using TBird in Windows XP this never happened. I'm using Mandrake10.0 and all my urpmi updating is current to 12 February. Julie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird preview pane
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 01:53 pm, Julie Sloan wrote: Now I have a Thunderbird question. In the preview pane of messages I don't get the whole message. If I open the message separate (like, double-click it) then in the new window I can scroll and see the whole message, but not in the preview pane. I'm using Mandrake10.0 and all my urpmi updating is current to 12 February. Let me clarify; I can see part of the message (the whole thing if it's real short), but there is not much scroll bar and if it's a long message I can only see as much as the height of my monitor, can only scroll a very little bit. This is very strange. Julie -- http://www.bobsloansampler.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird problem
I still have Thunderbird on my system, but when I tried to access new mail screen opened with dialog to set up an account. Somehow I lost the existing account I had been using for a few days and all folders and addresses. Is the problem with my ISP or in/on my 10.1 system? I'll try Evolution, Thanks for your help, Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 07:26 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:17, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 03:24 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: huge snip 2) Install thundirbird urpmi mozilla-thunderbird http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010 .1md k.i586.rpm snip Avi When I typed step 2 as root I typed as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy]# urpmi mozilla-thunderbirdhttp://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thund erbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm I put in a space between urpmi and mozilla and got the following: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' what did I do wrong? Andy Easiest way to do this: 1. Go to: http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1//mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1md k.i586.rpm ...which will start downloading the RPM. 2.) Once it's saved, go to the place you downloaded it to and double click on it - enter in the root password and let the installation complete. 3.) Wait a few minutes whilst the menus are updated - you might even have to logout and then back in again for the change to take on whatever desktop you're running. Voilá ! You're done! stephen kuhn Hi Stephen, Before the file installed a message said it hd bad signatures. I clicked install anyway. (1) should I have not gone ahead with installation? (2) what does bad signatures mean? Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:39, Andy Yankovich wrote: Hi Stephen, Before the file installed a message said it hd bad signatures. I clicked install anyway. (1) should I have not gone ahead with installation? (2) what does bad signatures mean? Andy You'll be right mate. Don't worry about it. You'll get that error every now and again with RPM installations. The error means basically that it is an unverifiable installation package - you can always get the MD5 sums for them, but that's a PITA. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- In Nature there are neither rewards nor punishments, there are consequences. -- R.G. Ingersoll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:39, Andy Yankovich wrote: Hi Stephen, Before the file installed a message said it hd bad signatures. I clicked install anyway. (1) should I have not gone ahead with installation? (2) what does bad signatures mean? Andy The bad signature error is usually because either the rpm isn't signed with a gpg key, or it is and you don't have the key. There should have been something in the error message saying something like MD5 OK and something more on the key. If the MD5 is bad, don't install as the rpm is corrupted. If the key is missing, you have no way of knowing if the rpm is legit. If you know and trust the site, decide if you want to install it. Usually there are keys to be installed for any repository doing much with rpms. If so, just install the keys. The keys are there to make sure that no modified rpm gets slipped into your system under the guise an official or trusted one. It doesn't sound like you did any damage. Just be sure of the source of any rpm you decide to install, and evaluate the risks from there. Rick Kunath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Andy, you can install any software on your system using Mandrake Control Center. The same dialog you used for changing the resolution but this time it's on the Software Management tab. But before you do read these following links: Here is a really good intro to installing software on Mandrake linux by, Zeb, although it shows screenshots of mdk 10, IIRC, it is still relevant. http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML another good link with screenshots of mdk 10.1 plus much more .. http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/configuration101.html And, Have you had a chance to look at the Community TWiki ? http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome Specifically this page titled: All You Ever Wanted to Know About Urpmi But Never Dared Asking Before http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi this will help you understand urpmi soo much more .. The TWiki has a lot more there also .. HTH some .. p.s. Anne I already added these links to the NewbieFriendly page 8) Thanks Rick, I will read all. Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Would someone please tell me how install Thunderbird. Derick gave me such great instructions on installing Opera, that I wonder if there is also an equally easy way to install Thunderbird. The more details supplied (i.e. step by step) would be very, very much appreciated. Maybe in a few months I'll get some knowledge and patience. Read and read and read but still don't understand. Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 01:51 pm, Andy Yankovich wrote: Would someone please tell me how install Thunderbird. Derick gave me such great instructions on installing Opera, that I wonder if there is also an equally easy way to install Thunderbird. The more details supplied (i.e. step by step) would be very, very much appreciated. Maybe in a few months I'll get some knowledge and patience. Read and read and read but still don't understand. Andy Andy, do you want thunderbird, the mail client or firefox, the web browser? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 02:58 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 01:51 pm, Andy Yankovich wrote: Would someone please tell me how install Thunderbird. Derick gave me such great instructions on installing Opera, that I wonder if there is also an equally easy way to install Thunderbird. The more details supplied (i.e. step by step) would be very, very much appreciated. Maybe in a few months I'll get some knowledge and patience. Read and read and read but still don't understand. Andy Andy, do you want thunderbird, the mail client or firefox, the web browser? I would like both. Even tho I now have Opera on my system, I would love to tinker with both Opera and Firefox. Re Thunderbird, I would llike that program also on my system to make it easier to decide between KMail and Thunderbird. Greed, Huh? Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Andy Yankovich wrote: Would someone please tell me how install Thunderbird. Derick gave me such great instructions on installing Opera, that I wonder if there is also an equally easy way to install Thunderbird. The more details supplied (i.e. step by step) would be very, very much appreciated. Maybe in a few months I'll get some knowledge and patience. Read and read and read but still don't understand. Andy If you run 10.1 then go to http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/ for the latest Thunderbird and Firefox. Steps: 1) as root add the media source: urpmi.addmedia eslrahc http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/ with hdlist.cz 2) Install thundirbird urpmi mozilla-thunderbird http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm 3) Install firefox urpmi mozilla-firefox http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm Avi -- Avi Schwartz http://public.xdi.org/=avi.schwartz When you have robbed a man of everything, he is no longer in your power. He is free again. -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: Re Thunderbird, I would llike that program also on my system to make it easier to decide between KMail and Thunderbird. Greed, Huh? Andy There is Evolution 2.0, Sylpheed-Claws, Balsa, Mozilla-Mail, Netscape-Mail - and actually a slew of other lesser known email clients. Evolution is probably already on your system - and it ain't all that bad - rather like a clone of MS Outlook (Lookout!). -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- The student in question is performing minimally for his peer group and is an emerging underachiever. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 03:24 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: huge snip 2) Install thundirbird urpmi mozilla-thunderbird http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1md k.i586.rpm snip Avi When I typed step 2 as root I typed as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy]# urpmi mozilla-thunderbirdhttp://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm I put in a space between urpmi and mozilla and got the following: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' what did I do wrong? Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:17, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 03:24 pm, Avi Schwartz wrote: huge snip 2) Install thundirbird urpmi mozilla-thunderbird http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1md k.i586.rpm snip Avi When I typed step 2 as root I typed as follows: [EMAIL PROTECTED] andy]# urpmi mozilla-thunderbirdhttp://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm I put in a space between urpmi and mozilla and got the following: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' what did I do wrong? Andy Easiest way to do this: 1. Go to: http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1//mozilla-thunderbird-1.0-4.1010.1mdk.i586.rpm ...which will start downloading the RPM. 2.) Once it's saved, go to the place you downloaded it to and double click on it - enter in the root password and let the installation complete. 3.) Wait a few minutes whilst the menus are updated - you might even have to logout and then back in again for the change to take on whatever desktop you're running. Voilá ! You're done! -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- The glances over cocktails That seemed to be so sweet Don't seem quite so amorous Over Shredded Wheat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: Re Thunderbird, I would llike that program also on my system to make it easier to decide between KMail and Thunderbird. There is Evolution 2.0, Sylpheed-Claws, Balsa, Mozilla-Mail, Netscape-Mail - and actually a slew of other lesser known email clients. Evolution is probably already on your system - and it ain't all that bad - rather like a clone of MS Outlook (Lookout!). stephen kuhn Thanks Stephen, Would you please tell me how do I find Evolution on my system and especially how do I install it? Many thanks, Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:29, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: Re Thunderbird, I would llike that program also on my system to make it easier to decide between KMail and Thunderbird. There is Evolution 2.0, Sylpheed-Claws, Balsa, Mozilla-Mail, Netscape-Mail - and actually a slew of other lesser known email clients. Evolution is probably already on your system - and it ain't all that bad - rather like a clone of MS Outlook (Lookout!). stephen kuhn Thanks Stephen, Would you please tell me how do I find Evolution on my system and especially how do I install it? Many thanks, Andy It should already be in your system menus - under Internet = Email; but if it's not, it's very easy to run either urpmi or rpmdrake and install it from your CD's/DVD. Example: (as root) urpmi evolution ...and sit back and wait for instructions. Ditto with rpmdrake. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- It was all very well going about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists' houses and smashing their windows. (Colour of Magic) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 07:43 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:29, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: It should already be in your system menus - under Internet = Email; but if it's not, it's very easy to run either urpmi or rpmdrake and install it from your CD's/DVD. Example: (as root) urpmi evolution ...and sit back and wait for instructions. stephen kuhn as root I got the following: Some package requested cannot be installed: evolution-2.0.3-1.1.101mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied libgnutls.so.11) Continue? (Y/n) Sorry to bug so so often Stephen, but what do i donow? A. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Andy Yankovich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: Re Thunderbird, I would llike that program also on my system to make it easier to decide between KMail and Thunderbird. There is Evolution 2.0, Sylpheed-Claws, Balsa, Mozilla-Mail, Netscape-Mail - and actually a slew of other lesser known email clients. Evolution is probably already on your system - and it ain't all that bad - rather like a clone of MS Outlook (Lookout!). stephen kuhn Thanks Stephen, Would you please tell me how do I find Evolution on my system and especially how do I install it? Many thanks, Andy Andy, you can install any software on your system using Mandrake Control Center. The same dialog you used for changing the resolution but this time it's on the Software Management tab. But before you do read these following links: Here is a really good intro to installing software on Mandrake linux by, Zeb, although it shows screenshots of mdk 10, IIRC, it is still relevant. http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML another good link with screenshots of mdk 10.1 plus much more .. http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/configuration101.html And, Have you had a chance to look at the Community TWiki ? http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome Specifically this page titled: All You Ever Wanted to Know About Urpmi But Never Dared Asking Before http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi this will help you understand urpmi soo much more .. The TWiki has a lot more there also .. HTH some .. p.s. Anne I already added these links to the NewbieFriendly page 8) -- RickS Registered Linux user #338463 Mdk 10.1 OE - Linux 2.6.8.1-12mdk@ http://counter.li.org gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x24AABE61 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Andy Yankovich wrote: Would someone please tell me how install Thunderbird. Derick gave me such great instructions on installing Opera, that I wonder if there is also an equally easy way to install Thunderbird. The more details supplied (i.e. step by step) would be very, very much appreciated. Maybe in a few months I'll get some knowledge and patience. Read and read and read but still don't understand. Andy There was a strange problem with the mail I sent earlier. This one should be correct: If you run 10.1 then go to http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/ for the latest Thunderbird and Firefox. Steps: 1) as root add the media source: urpmi.addmedia eslrahc http://www.eslrahc.com/10.1/ with hdlist.cz 2) Install thundirbird urpmi mozilla-thunderbird 3) Install firefox urpmi mozilla-firefox Avi -- Avi Schwartz http://public.xdi.org/=avi.schwartz When you have robbed a man of everything, he is no longer in your power. He is free again. -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 12:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 07:43 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:29, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: It should already be in your system menus - under Internet = Email; but if it's not, it's very easy to run either urpmi or rpmdrake and install it from your CD's/DVD. Example: (as root) urpmi evolution ...and sit back and wait for instructions. stephen kuhn as root I got the following: Some package requested cannot be installed: evolution-2.0.3-1.1.101mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied libgnutls.so.11) Continue? (Y/n) Sorry to bug so so often Stephen, but what do i donow? A. Let it resolve the dependencies for you. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- === ALL CSH USERS PLEASE NOTE Set the variable $LOSERS to all the people that you think are losers. This will cause all said losers to have the variable $PEOPLE-WHO-THINK-I-AM-A-LOSER updated in their .login file. Should you attempt to execute a job on a machine with poor response time and a machine on your local net is currently populated by losers, that machine will be freed up for your job through a cold boot process. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird mail client
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 12:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 07:43 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:29, Andy Yankovich wrote: On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:14 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:02, Andy Yankovich wrote: It should already be in your system menus - under Internet = Email; but if it's not, it's very easy to run either urpmi or rpmdrake and install it from your CD's/DVD. Example: (as root) urpmi evolution ...and sit back and wait for instructions. stephen kuhn as root I got the following: Some package requested cannot be installed: evolution-2.0.3-1.1.101mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied libgnutls.so.11) Continue? (Y/n) Sorry to bug so so often Stephen, but what do i donow? A. Let it resolve the dependencies for you. urpmi --auto evolution Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird flew away??
This post confirms the newbie in me. I downloaded Thunderbird from the Mozilla site to use as my mail client. I configured it, used it, and it worked fine. I tried to right click to save link to desktop as I did with Firefox, but alas, it didn't work, so when I exited the Thunderbird screen it must have flown away because I can't find it. I know you have a simple answer to this so please, please tell me. I am using the graphic environment - at least until I learn more about Mandrakelinux - and probably longer. How do I determine where I stored this program? How do I make it my default mail client? How do I get a Thunderbird icon on my desktop? How do I make Firefox my default browser? And MOST IMPORTANT, are there good reasons why I should NOT use these two programs in place of the usual or standard Mandrake programs that come with the disks?? I did order the full MandrakeStore package with manuals, but manuals are four days away yet. Thank you for your considerable help. Well, what do you expect from a 70 year old! Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird flew away??
On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:26, Andy Yankovich wrote: This post confirms the newbie in me. I downloaded Thunderbird from the Mozilla site to use as my mail client. I configured it, used it, and it worked fine. I tried to right click to save link to desktop as I did with Firefox, but alas, it didn't work, so when I exited the Thunderbird screen it must have flown away because I can't find it. I know you have a simple answer to this so please, please tell me. I am using the graphic environment - at least until I learn more about Mandrakelinux - and probably longer. How do I determine where I stored this program? In a console, type : which mozilla-thunderbird. (without the quotes. It'll probalbly tell you : /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird. Normally, if it installed correctly, it is in Internet--Mail, but if it isn't in your GUI, you can use the menu editor to add it with the above mentioned path. How do I make it my default mail client? I don't get the point ? How do I get a Thunderbird icon on my desktop? Right-click somewhre on the desktop, select New--File--Link to application. Type or browse to the abovementioned path and file. How do I make Firefox my default browser? In System--Configure--Configure your Desktop, choose Components -- File Associations. Select html and add Firefox (or move it to the top of the list of browsers). And MOST IMPORTANT, are there good reasons why I should NOT use these two programs in place of the usual or standard Mandrake programs that come with the disks?? No. I did order the full MandrakeStore package with manuals, but manuals are four days away yet. Thank you for your considerable help. Well, what do you expect from a 70 year old! Andy You are welcome. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird flew away??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 22:06, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:26, Andy Yankovich wrote: This post confirms the newbie in me. I downloaded Thunderbird from the Mozilla site to use as my mail client. I configured it, used it, and it worked fine. I tried to right click to save link to desktop as I did with Firefox, but alas, it didn't work, so when I exited the Thunderbird screen it must have flown away because I can't find it. I know you have a simple answer to this so please, please tell me. I am using the graphic environment - at least until I learn more about Mandrakelinux - and probably longer. How do I determine where I stored this program? In a console, type : which mozilla-thunderbird. (without the quotes. It'll probalbly tell you : /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird. Normally, if it installed correctly, it is in Internet--Mail, but if it isn't in your GUI, you can use the menu editor to add it with the above mentioned path. That's the intelligent method. My simple-minded method is to Save As from Thunderbird again (it doesn't matter what - you're not going to save) and look at the location that it proposes. That's where your other save will be. How do I make it my default mail client? You say you are using the gui, so I guess you mean kde? If so, Star System Configuration Configure your Desktop Components Component Chooser Use a different email client - you will have to enter the path to Thunderbird, though. I did order the full MandrakeStore package with manuals, but manuals are four days away yet. Thank you for your considerable help. Well, what do you expect from a 70 year old! Carefully worded questions, so that we can answer them ;-) You're not the only older person here - I'm no spring chicken myself. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB5aaAkFAvMr/nNX8RAjPDAJ4+S880WC8MGVFRMuAYWim+YgSTegCfXmPp ZglBV0K7GOHAqZ2ZdpYzWqs= =SLP0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird and Firefox
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:04:10 +0800, frankieh wrote: One ofthe complaints leveled against the mozilla suite, was feature bloat, speed etc. So they split up the apps.. moz mail became thunderbird, mozilla itself became firefox, the calander app became sunbird and so on. When all the stand alones are past ver 1.0, you will start to see them bundled together to become the new mozilla suite. A ha--thanks! I searched all over mozilla.org for that simple explanation and couldn't find it anywhere (even the FAQ). Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird and Firefox
What is the relationship between Mozilla and Firefox, and Mozilla-mail and Thuderbird. Are the latter going to eventually replace the former? And if if not, why are the Mozilla folks promoting competing products? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird and Firefox
Miark wrote: What is the relationship between Mozilla and Firefox, and Mozilla-mail and Thuderbird. Are the latter going to eventually replace the former? And if if not, why are the Mozilla folks promoting competing products? Miark One ofthe complaints leveled against the mozilla suite, was feature bloat, speed etc. So they split up the apps.. moz mail became thunderbird, mozilla itself became firefox, the calander app became sunbird and so on. When all the stand alones are past ver 1.0, you will start to see them bundled together to become the new mozilla suite. They can't replace anything yet because the Firefox is the only app currently nearing ver 1.0 status. Rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird and Firefox
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:04:10 +0800, frankieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miark wrote: What is the relationship between Mozilla and Firefox, and Mozilla-mail and Thuderbird. Are the latter going to eventually replace the former? And if if not, why are the Mozilla folks promoting competing products? Miark One ofthe complaints leveled against the mozilla suite, was feature bloat, speed etc. So they split up the apps.. moz mail became thunderbird, mozilla itself became firefox, the calander app became sunbird and so on. When all the stand alones are past ver 1.0, you will start to see them bundled together to become the new mozilla suite. They can't replace anything yet because the Firefox is the only app currently nearing ver 1.0 status. Rgds Decent explanation, but it's important also to realize that they aren't competing against each other in the truest sense of the word. Advances in Firefox are brought into Mozilla and vice versa, even though it's typically Firefox that makes the advances. They are both built in the same rendering engine, so they are really more like siblings than competitors. Some people still want it as a suite. For more, it's sorta addressed in the firefox FAQ: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/support/faq.html#q1.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird RPM
Your mileage may vary, EE, but I've been downloading and using Mozilla's static binaries for both Thunderbird and Firefox without any problems since the very early releases. I don't know if you have everything in place that the binaries will expect to find, but you should be able to just dump them into a folder in your home directory and run them. There's an RPM of version 0.3 for Mandrake 9.1 at rpm.pbone.net, but there's a good chance that the binary tarball of 0.7 at mozilla.org/products/thunderbird will work for you. Bear in mind that I'm an utter newbie, and may not have any idea what I'm talking about. ;) HTH, Marv EE wrote: Where can I find Thunderbird RPM? I tried rpmfind but no help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- Help in the research to fight devastating diseases like Huntington's, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's-- donate your computer's leisure time to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Thanks to anyone who tried to help me figure it out. I'm just going to cry uncle here. Okay, so I gave in and decided to just filter for Microsoft in the headers of emails from OOzy. So far, so good, it seems. I haven't had anything else crashing me... We'll see how this works out. I can usually pick up on whatever I miss out from those emails based upon the replies people make to the messages, so I should be cool. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
On Sunday 13 June 2004 01:11 am, Amy wrote: Chuck MATTSEN wrote: snip 2) Convince OOzy to stop using Outlook Express, however there may be a very good reason for the use of said evilness, like accessing email from a computer one is not allowed to install things on. He seems to be jumping between Ximian Evolution and OE -- fairly normal behavior for newbies. Frankly, I think the notion that Outlook Express /per se/ is at fault is a spurious one, though we all know OE users do hideous things like [ahem] top post ... can you /imagine/?? shudder. Possibly some setting /in/ that person's OE that's causing the incompatibility/crash ... I would think that more likely. Have you observed this behavior with other OE-generated emails? People do hideous things no matter what mail client they use, so I figured it'd be more polite to incorrectly finger Microsoft as the guilty party, and wait and see if the user stumbled across something they hadn't noticed that may be the source of the problem. There's also the chance it's something wrong with Thunderbird, however I've so loved this client since I tried it the first time, I didn't want to level such an accusation against it. FWIW, I've had no problems with any of his emails in Evolution, MozillaMail or KMail. Anything at the TBird site? snip On the note of world domination, that's been on my to-do list for a while... I just don't expect to get to it right away. I have minions and everything already! In fact, one of them is the reason this list has only heard stupid questions from me, such as the email issue here, and what palm sync program I should use. I have a good source of tech support already. ^_^ You'd better get on it now, because I plan to take over the world right after lunch. Oops. SheThatIs has just informed me that the afternoon will be devoted to pulling weeds. Well, maybe tomorrow. Oh wait, that's Monday, always a bad day for world domination. Ok, this week for sure. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carroll Grigsby wrote: | Have you observed this behavior with other OE-generated emails? I've only noticed it on the one e-mail, and that's out of probably 20,000 or so incoming messages, a good share of which had to be composed by OE. I didn't keep the original, crashing message, but just looked at it raw in the archives and the only thing that stands out to me, still, is the header: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 I don't know enough about charsets to know if that's a standard one or not (though a /very/ quick Google search would seem to indicate that it's Arabic), but it caught my eye. Of course, I tend to skim headers and delete incoming mail wholesale if the subject doesn't interest me, so it's possible that there have been others. | FWIW, I've had no problems with any of his emails in Evolution, MozillaMail or | KMail. Anything at the TBird site? Haven't gotten that far yet (one instance wasn't sufficient for me to tackle a search of the forums there, which I find rather awkward), and wouldn't even have mentioned it except in response as a Hey, me, too! to Amy's query. :-) - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 11:25:00 up 18:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.10 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ It's always darkest just before it gets pitch black. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAzIJm+qbiwggubBwRAqDoAJ9c+pSTwzChGGJXuh9f1Y1Nl+U90ACdFuY9 28ColrUVEViLYkMuLR/4zWs= =P62f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Okay, so this was something that's been happening occasionally for the last few days or so... and I think I've found a pattern, but I'm not entirely sure. Maybe someone can give me an idea? To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Amy wrote: To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Funny you should mention that, as I had the same problem today, and on messages from the same party. With the preview pane enabled, clicking on the message would immediately shut down TB. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. I don't recall now which message/thread it was, but it was from today. You can, of course, turn off the preview pane and then select the message and chose View Source ... I didn't have much time, but just for the heck of it I did that before deleting the message and IIRC the only thing that stood out to me in a quick scan of the headers was there was an odd (to me) charset defined there. I didn't have the time to research it further (and noted that none of the respondents in the thread mentioned any problem at the time, so I assumed it was just me :-) If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Not sure if it's the charset or something else, but you could /try/ filtering on that header and sending those e-mails to an Unsafe folder or something, then view those in the folder with the preview pane off. Maybe? -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 21:15:00 up 4:20, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.21, 0.17 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Armed men are citizens; unarmed men are subjects. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Well, once I found the view message source option, I poked my nose into the messages that had crashed me, and the ones that hadn't. All of the emails that I still had which crashed me said in the headers that they came from Outlook Express. All of the ones that worked fine for me said they came from Ximian. So I suppose the problem comes down to Outlook Express sucking. Right now, I have the preview pane disabled, I've always had it disabled. I don't like it. I usually read email by opening the first unread message in a pop up window, then deleting to go to the next message. And now that I've discovered how great it is to read the messages in the list threaded I don't want to have to change that to filter out messages from one person who occasionally uses stupid Outlook Express just because their messages ~might~ crash me, depending on which client was the source of the message. I suppose that means one of three things: 1) Suck it up, and deal with it. So what if Thunderbird closes on me once in a while, it runs perfectly fine when I restart it, and it takes but a second to restart it. 2) Convince OOzy to stop using Outlook Express, however there may be a very good reason for the use of said evilness, like accessing email from a computer one is not allowed to install things on. 3) Take over the world and remove all Microsoft products by force. But I haven't gotten around to taking over the world yet, and that would be too much work. Option one seems the best bet for me right now. Please let me know if anyone else has any ideas. Thanks! Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Amy wrote: To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Funny you should mention that, as I had the same problem today, and on messages from the same party. With the preview pane enabled, clicking on the message would immediately shut down TB. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. I don't recall now which message/thread it was, but it was from today. You can, of course, turn off the preview pane and then select the message and chose View Source ... I didn't have much time, but just for the heck of it I did that before deleting the message and IIRC the only thing that stood out to me in a quick scan of the headers was there was an odd (to me) charset defined there. I didn't have the time to research it further (and noted that none of the respondents in the thread mentioned any problem at the time, so I assumed it was just me :-) If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Not sure if it's the charset or something else, but you could /try/ filtering on that header and sending those e-mails to an Unsafe folder or something, then view those in the folder with the preview pane off. Maybe? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Amy wrote: Well, once I found the view message source option, I poked my nose into the messages that had crashed me, and the ones that hadn't. All of the emails that I still had which crashed me said in the headers that they came from Outlook Express. All of the ones that worked fine for me said they came from Ximian. So I suppose the problem comes down to Outlook Express sucking. [...snip...] I suppose that means one of three things: A whole lot more than three, one would suppose. :-) 1) Suck it up, and deal with it. So what if Thunderbird closes on me once in a while, it runs perfectly fine when I restart it, and it takes but a second to restart it. True; TB seems to be rather resilient in that regard. 2) Convince OOzy to stop using Outlook Express, however there may be a very good reason for the use of said evilness, like accessing email from a computer one is not allowed to install things on. Frankly, I think the notion that Outlook Express /per se/ is at fault is a spurious one, though we all know OE users do hideous things like [ahem] top post ... can you /imagine/?? shudder. Possibly some setting /in/ that person's OE that's causing the incompatibility/crash ... I would think that more likely. 3) Take over the world and remove all Microsoft products by force. But I haven't gotten around to taking over the world yet, and that would be too much work. That would make you just as bad as M$ if you did, anyway, so not a good option (for the rest of us ;-) Option one seems the best bet for me right now. Please let me know if anyone else has any ideas. Thanks! Well, I'm not anyone else, but assuming you're willing to accept another idea from the same tired ol' source, how about this? ... In TB, under Tools | Options | Fonts, then the Languages section, there is an option to define the character sets (Western, or whatever), and then to apply them to all messages. Now, if it /is/ a matter of some oddball character set being chosen by the sender, wouldn't that eliminate the problem, if TB ignored it and displayed it in the way you chose? Of course, (1) I may be misunderstanding what's going on or (2) how that option actually works, or even (3) the option may not actually work at all [yet], much as the option to ignore all incoming read receipt requests hasn't worked for me. But trying it might be easier than going for world domination. Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Amy wrote: To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Funny you should mention that, as I had the same problem today, and on messages from the same party. With the preview pane enabled, clicking on the message would immediately shut down TB. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. I don't recall now which message/thread it was, but it was from today. You can, of course, turn off the preview pane and then select the message and chose View Source ... I didn't have much time, but just for the heck of it I did that before deleting the message and IIRC the only thing that stood out to me in a quick scan of the headers was there was an odd (to me) charset defined there. I didn't have the time to research it further (and noted that none of the respondents in the thread mentioned any problem at the time, so I assumed it was just me :-) If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Not sure if it's the charset or something else, but you could /try/ filtering on that header and sending those e-mails to an Unsafe folder or something, then view those in the folder with the preview pane off. Maybe? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 23:35:00 up 6:40, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.09 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Armed men are citizens; unarmed men are
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Chuck MATTSEN wrote: I suppose that means one of three things: A whole lot more than three, one would suppose. :-) 1) Suck it up, and deal with it. So what if Thunderbird closes on me once in a while, it runs perfectly fine when I restart it, and it takes but a second to restart it. True; TB seems to be rather resilient in that regard. 2) Convince OOzy to stop using Outlook Express, however there may be a very good reason for the use of said evilness, like accessing email from a computer one is not allowed to install things on. Frankly, I think the notion that Outlook Express /per se/ is at fault is a spurious one, though we all know OE users do hideous things like [ahem] top post ... can you /imagine/?? shudder. Possibly some setting /in/ that person's OE that's causing the incompatibility/crash ... I would think that more likely. People do hideous things no matter what mail client they use, so I figured it'd be more polite to incorrectly finger Microsoft as the guilty party, and wait and see if the user stumbled across something they hadn't noticed that may be the source of the problem. There's also the chance it's something wrong with Thunderbird, however I've so loved this client since I tried it the first time, I didn't want to level such an accusation against it. There's really a lot of places the problem could be coming from. Microsoft's unwillingness to support any sort of standards that includes anyone other than Microsoft, Thunderbird's Technological Preview status, user error, or some random combination of some or all of those factors. I just figured the safe way to go on this list, since I see a lot of M$ bashing already, was to just lay the blame on Microsoft 'til we got someone in the thread who really knew what they're talking about. Between you and I, all it seems is that we're guessing what's happening. And while I may not be able to speak for you about this, I know that I'm very inexperienced here. I've been running Mandrake maybe a month or so, after having lived on windows as long as I've had a computer at home. 3) Take over the world and remove all Microsoft products by force. But I haven't gotten around to taking over the world yet, and that would be too much work. That would make you just as bad as M$ if you did, anyway, so not a good option (for the rest of us ;-) Yes, yes, I know it would. But would anyone really care if the only option was free, open source stuff that worked? Option one seems the best bet for me right now. Please let me know if anyone else has any ideas. Thanks! Well, I'm not anyone else, but assuming you're willing to accept another idea from the same tired ol' source, how about this? ... In TB, under Tools | Options | Fonts, then the Languages section, there is an option to define the character sets (Western, or whatever), and then to apply them to all messages. Now, if it /is/ a matter of some oddball character set being chosen by the sender, wouldn't that eliminate the problem, if TB ignored it and displayed it in the way you chose? Of course, (1) I may be misunderstanding what's going on or (2) how that option actually works, or even (3) the option may not actually work at all [yet], much as the option to ignore all incoming read receipt requests hasn't worked for me. But trying it might be easier than going for world domination. I really don't think it's a character set issue. I think it's something with OE's encoding of the email. Because it seems that the character set it declares it the same between the two clients. If it really is a character set issue, I suspect it's an issue with the information OE is giving not matching up with what Thunderbird considers to be the correct character set. On the note of world domination, that's been on my to-do list for a while... I just don't expect to get to it right away. I have minions and everything already! In fact, one of them is the reason this list has only heard stupid questions from me, such as the email issue here, and what palm sync program I should use. I have a good source of tech support already. ^_^ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Thunderbird 0.6: switching message formats
Hello, everyone. I recently upgraded to Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6, and am having a hard time finding an option to change a message I'm composing from plain text to HTML. I generally try to stick to plain text for everything, but there are times when an HTML message is more appropriate. If I remember correctly, Thunderbird 0.5 had that option in Options -- Format, but that's not there now. The only way I've been able to find to change my composition format is under my account settings for Composition and Addressing, but this is awfully cumbersome. Any ideas? Thanks very much in advance. -- Help in the research to fight devastating diseases like Huntington's, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's-- donate your computer's leisure time to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird 0.6: switching message formats
Any ideas? Thanks very much in advance. Not sure about how to change while editing, but hold down the Shift-key when pressing the Write or Reply-button. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird 0.6: switching message formats
Marv Boyes wrote: Hello, everyone. I recently upgraded to Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6, and am having a hard time finding an option to change a message I'm composing from plain text to HTML. I generally try to stick to plain text for everything, but there are times when an HTML message is more appropriate. If I remember correctly, Thunderbird 0.5 had that option in Options -- Format, but that's not there now. The only way I've been able to find to change my composition format is under my account settings for Composition and Addressing, but this is awfully cumbersome. Any ideas? Thanks very much in advance. Its under optionsformat for me at the moment... Try re-installing. Or have a look in toolsoptions, then click on composition, see if anything look untoward here. Alex Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird 0.6: switching message formats
Magnus Johansson wrote: Any ideas? Thanks very much in advance. Not sure about how to change while editing, but hold down the Shift-key when pressing the Write or Reply-button. This is very cool. Beats the heck out of changing the whole account setting. Thanks! Marv -- Help in the research to fight devastating diseases like Huntington's, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's-- donate your computer's leisure time to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/ -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird
On Sunday 07 Mar 2004 7:42 pm, Floyd Hagen wrote: You really don't need an RPM for it. It's got its own installation script. Grab the tarball, and there's a README file in there with clear directions. If you want an icon or entry for it in your menu, you'll have to add it yourself, but that's easy enough. On Sun, Mar 07, 2004, Keith Powell wrote: I would like to try Mozilla-Thunderbird and have found a Mandrake RPM for it on Rediris, which I have downloaded. I hope it's not a Spanish version :-( It's the only one I can find. There's nothing in the usual repositories. Hello Floyd. Thanks for the prompt reply and the information. Derek has told me where to get the Mandrake .rpm from. As I prefer to install from an .rpm rather than from a tarball, I have used his solution. I have so many problems with tarballs, that I keep clear of them as much as possible! However, your tarball suggestion is useful to have in reserve. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird
On Sunday 07 Mar 2004 7:40 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 07 Mar 2004 19:28, Keith Powell wrote: I would like to try Mozilla-Thunderbird and have found a Mandrake RPM for it on Rediris, which I have downloaded. I hope it's not a Spanish version :-( It's the only one I can find. There's nothing in the usual repositories. However, it won't install as it needs libXinerama. I can't find Xinerama or libXinerama on the Download CDs, Google, Sourceforge, Gnome.org, or Mozilla.org. - only documents on how to run Xinerama. There's a .tar.bz of it on the Mozilla site, but I would rather stick with the Mandrake RPM. Has anyone managed to install Thunderbird, please? If so, how? Many thanks Keith Using Chip Cuccio's urpmi download page http://norlug.org/~chipster/index.pxml?rpms derek Thanks for the information, Derek. I have installed Thunderbird from Chip Cuccio's site and it is working OK (from a preliminary trial). Unfortunately, I didn't know of that repository. I can't remember it having been mentioned before - but it almost certainly must have been. He has some interesting packages on it. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:14:28 + Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 07 Mar 2004 7:42 pm, Floyd Hagen wrote: You really don't need an RPM for it. It's got its own installation script. Grab the tarball, and there's a README file in there with clear directions. If you want an icon or entry for it in your menu, you'll have to add it yourself, but that's easy enough. On Sun, Mar 07, 2004, Keith Powell wrote: I would like to try Mozilla-Thunderbird and have found a Mandrake RPM for it on Rediris, which I have downloaded. I hope it's not a Spanish version :-( It's the only one I can find. There's nothing in the usual repositories. Hello Floyd. Thanks for the prompt reply and the information. Derek has told me where to get the Mandrake .rpm from. As I prefer to install from an .rpm rather than from a tarball, I have used his solution. I have so many problems with tarballs, that I keep clear of them as much as possible! However, your tarball suggestion is useful to have in reserve. Cheers Keith The tarball version of Mozilla Thunderbird does not need compiling. You untar it, and it's already ready to go. Untar, run. That simple. John -- Mon Mar 8 13:10:15 CST 2004 -- Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 Zhizn' prozhit'--ne pole pereiti. [Life's a bitch.] [Well, okay. lit., to live through life is not as simple as crossing a field. Happy now?] -- Russian proverb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird and browser, was IMAP trouble (Evolution)
Todd Slater wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:27:41PM -0400, Guy Rouillier wrote: Todd Slater wrote: So at work I have an IMAP (Groupwise) account. I can open, read, and send with Mozilla, Thunderbird and Kmail. When I try to add the account with Sylpheed I get a segfault. I remember problems with Sylpheed and IMAP but I left the Sylpheed list so I'll go back and investigate. Thing is, I don't really want to use Mozilla or Kmail, and Thunderbird won't work yet as it can't send URL's to a browser. Todd, I don't understand what you are saying here. I've been using Thunderbird from the Minotaur days, currently running a nightly build from 5/31/2003 on Windows and on Linux. After reading your message, I clicked the Write button and typed myself a message, containing only a URL. All my mail is set to go out in text format, and I didn't do anything to the link I typed to force it to be a hyperlink. When that message arrived, the URL was automatically hyperlinked. I clicked it and it opened up my default browser (a featured selling point of Thunderbird, that it brings up your default browser instead of always bringing up Mozilla. Heck, here is the link I typed by hand, see if it hyperlinks for you: http://www.2cpu.com Note that this link is not **showing** as a hyperlink as I'm typing, but it is parsed as a hyperlink when it is received. Guy, maybe they removed this functionality? I wanted to check what version I have (I thought it was a recent nightly) before answering: I'm using one from 6/18/2003. There is no place to specify a browser to use in the options. I thought maybe I didn't have the BROWSER variable set, so I did an export BROWSER=/usr/local/bin/dillo and restarted Thunderbird, still no joy. Does your build have an option to specify browser, or does it just take it from the BROWSER environment variable? Excuse me for a minute while I wipe this egg off my face... there, that's better, I can see the screen again. By searching the bugs list for Mozilla Thunderbird, I found a reference to the todo list here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/todolist.html which says this: We need a linux guru to implement nsIExternalProtocolService::loadUrl for linux. Without this, we don't load http urls (and other non mail urls) in the default browser like we should. I'm not sure what the OS integration hooks are for Linux to implement this routine. It problable depends on the desktop environment being used? (Bryner might have something for this for gnome) And no, it does *not* work for me, even though my BROWSER variable is set. It works in Windows, and everything *else* about Thunderbird in Linux works like the Windows version, so I made an erroneous assumption. My humble apologies, Todd. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
