RE: [newbie] Windows Games
I WANT MORROWIND!! This game is the only reason why i must endure win98se on my 10gig HD. It takes 1500MB which is a real waste... By the wa, what's the second CD for? It never asked for it and I'm already Nerevar... Tenchi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows Games On Friday 05 July 2002 11:38 am, you wrote: I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. I tell you what...I get involved in a new install for a few days, and before I can get back, *everything* flies off the handle. ;) Thats the Linux world for ya... :-) Hey, DL...thanks for the Morrowind vote! It helped tremendously. When you're ready let me know and I'll return the favor. Back in black, LX No problem. Heck, since our tastes seem to run the same way, I'm sure your votes would be what I would do anyways. Lets just hope we can get Morrowind running! PS WIndog version of Neverwinter Nights is out - hope the 'Nix version is released soon!!! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games - QT
Both Xine and mplayer came out with versions last week that play QuickTime movies better than Apple's native player (which also works better with X-over/fake_windows, than under Billy's Winwoes ;) Video This intrigues me, as I haven't found quicktime support yet. I went to the mplayer site, downloaded the current tar (20020707) file, compiled and installed it. All I can get is the audio of a .mov file, no video. I get diagnostics about an unsupported video codec, and I tried the suggestions (update ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf) and read docs on codecs, but no Quicktime. I pulled up a .mov off of apple.com/quicktime just for testing (movie trailer of the Two Towers). Did yours work out of the box? Did you CVS ? I imagine what I got is the same (or a snapshot) of the latest stuff from CVS. Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games - QT
On Sunday 07 July 2002 12:25 pm, dfox wrote: This intrigues me, as I haven't found quicktime support yet. I went to the mplayer site, downloaded the current tar (20020707) file, compiled and installed it. All I can get is the audio of a .mov file, no video. I get diagnostics about an unsupported video codec, and I tried the suggestions (update ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf) and read docs on codecs, but no Quicktime. I pulled up a .mov off of apple.com/quicktime just for testing (movie trailer of the Two Towers). I get video, but no audio so we're even ;) Seriously I'm usin onboard AC97, and I believe that's the reason sound is gone. It's even a problem to get AC97 sound for QT with Crossover. You might'a got a Sorenson v3 .mov ... v3 isn't supported yet. You should have gotten an error mesg like this. MOV track #0: 317 chunks, 595 samples MOV: Found unknown movie atom SMI (21)! Image size: 240 x 180 (24 bpp) Display size: 240 x 180 Fourcc: SVQ3 Codec: 'Sorenson Video 3' Did yours work out of the box? Did you CVS ? I imagine what I got is the same (or a snapshot) of the latest stuff from CVS. Yes, and yes. MPlayer CVS-020703-23:00-3.1.1 (C) 2000-2002 Arpad Gereoffy IIRC, QT was first supported in the 020625 CVS. If you're havin problems with mplayer + QT, try xine-ui-0.9.12, libxine0-0.9.12-1mdk or get the tarballs from http://xine.sourceforge.net/ Xine plays QT movies just as well. Run 'xine-check' to make sure which codecs are working. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 12:20 am, you wrote: As WineX develops, Transgaming will be able to make more deals and partnerships with other games companies to make their games compatible with WineX. That's EXACTLY what I DON'T want. We want NATIVE games. -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 12:48 am, you wrote: I know I'm going back on what I said earlier, but I can't help it... :-( D.Olson, can you tell me what you hardware setup is please? I'm just curious because I do not get the same performance from WineX that you do... Sure: AMD 1.2GHz Tbird 266 bus EPoX 8KTA3L+ 512MB PC133 SDRAM ASUS V7700 DDR Deluxe (GeForce2 GTS) w/ 32MB Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 Maxtor 30GB 7200RPM UDMA100 HDD 1. Framerates here are as fast as, or faster than the same game running under the Windoze environment. 2. Not all games install correctly, or work correctly. I agree. 3. None of the games I'm using lockup, or lock my system up. Thats playing them for hours, even across my LAN and over the 'Net... Lyvim and I both did have one game (Lord of Destruction) do an occasional lockup. Changing a setting in the game options resolved this. Oh, I didn't say that the games that WORK lock the system up. But TESTING games locks up systems like mad. Don't believe me? Have a look at my listing that I posted a link to earlier. Try the games that I noted locked up the system, and you tell me if your system continues running perfectly fine or not. Ask Lyvim about Baldurs Gate. I think he plays it regularly under Winex. Sorry, I've not had a chance to try to install it yet. Don't be sorry. I wouldn't want to play it in WineX anyhow. -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 17:55, D. Olson wrote: I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. It's working? 30% of the Windows framerate is not what I call working. 5 out of 70 games is not what I call working. Locking up systems is not what I call working. Where are you getting your numbers, Olsen? Where are you seeing 30% of the Winblows framerate? Where are you seeing 5 out of 70 when you haven't even run WineX for your own self? Where are you seeing Locking up systems? If you come on here blowing off at the mouth about something, you darn sure better have your ducks in a row, cause here we cite our sources. That way we cut the troll crap off at the nut level. So cite your sources and quit wasting everybody's time with possibly malinformed rhetoric; especially for the benefit of those of us who actually run and have VALID Winex experience; while not locking up. Such as myself, Darklord, and others. All WineX is doing is showing developers that their work in porting software natively isn't worth a damn because Wine can handle it. You don't see it now, but Wine and WineX will be the downfall of the Linux gaming market. And when that happens, I'll have you to thank for it. Now, let me move right on along to the next few points. First of all, I'm glad you've got this brilliant idea about writing games for Linux. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and come off the hip with a few million dollars and start your own company that rewrites winblows games for linux. That way you can promote Linux in your own way, and you won't be bugging the crap and high horseing others who are promoting it in their own way. If you need a name for your company, I've even got a suggestion for that; how does Loki sound? What a brilliant concept. You can take the onus of the programming work off of the winblows game programmers, saving them time and money, and hire your own team of programmers; hopefully you'll be able to pay them, eh? Yeah, what an idea. Something just occurred to me tho...there's only one problem with this brilliant idea, thoit's ALREADY BEEN DONE. Dern...I forgot about that ALREADY BEEN DONE part. RL's a bitch, aint it? Maybe we could start out being a little better informed next time, eh? You know, before we find out that we are actually milking a bull. But let's see...what else could you do? Oh hey, I know!! You could go talk to Bethesda Softworks or John Carmack (ever heard of them?) and get them to write for two OS's!! John Carmack would probably be OK with it (since he's already doing it for zero profit out of pure goodwill), but Bethsoft would have to either hire new game programmers or put their existing ones on double duty plus a new learning curve. Come to think of it, knowing them as I do and what a tight ship they run, Bethsoft might laugh you off the property. But hey, that's a risk you're willing to take, right? Anything to stop those stupid Winex users from playing their games under Linux. And don't forget...you've got ME to thank for it! I'll be cheering ya on, so hop to work...new day and all, and the path of greatest resistance beckons seductively foreh...you.. Rah, rah!! Now where did I put those pom poms.. LX P.S. You might want to check out what those horrid Winex users have been doing with their Linux machines. I've got a search result here from the Transgaming site that lists over 150 games with a top working rating under Winex. I've attached a gzipped tar file with the purloined information that you can use for your top secret anti Winex ops. Get out there and stop this heresy, Olsen!! Rah... working_winex_games.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
C'mon you guys - I for one would like this forum to return to normal standards of courtesy. Let's stop the tirades - we are all supposed to be on the same - positive - side! Let's leave the flames to the Dark Lord and his Empire. (or better still - the Dark Lord and his Empire to the flames!) just my 2c AH If you come on here blowing off at the mouth about something, you darn sure better have your ducks in a row, cause here we cite our sources. That way we cut the troll crap off at the nut level. So cite your sources and quit wasting everybody's time with possibly malinformed rhetoric; especially for the benefit of those of us who actually run and have VALID Winex experience; while not locking up. Such as myself, Darklord, and others. etc etc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 02:36 am, you wrote: AMD 1.2GHz Tbird 266 bus EPoX 8KTA3L+ 512MB PC133 SDRAM ASUS V7700 DDR Deluxe (GeForce2 GTS) w/ 32MB Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 Maxtor 30GB 7200RPM UDMA100 HDD Thats so odd. Your system is more powerful than mine! I've got: AMD Athlon 900mhz CPU Shuttle MB 384 megs Ram SB Xgamer Live IBM 60 gig Deskstar HD Geforce 2 Titanium (64megs) (but Winex played fine with the 32 meg card I had before) It doesn't make sense to me that it plays so well here, on an inferior system, and plays so poorly there... :-( -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 06:16 am, you wrote: Let's leave the flames to the Dark Lord and his Empire. (or better still - the Dark Lord and his Empire to the flames!) Eh? I hope that was a reference to Bill and his evil empire!!! grin -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
What is *it* ? Which games? What framerates? Come on, out with it! ;) On Saturday 06 July 2002 10:43 am, you wrote: On Saturday 06 July 2002 02:36 am, you wrote: AMD 1.2GHz Tbird 266 bus EPoX 8KTA3L+ 512MB PC133 SDRAM ASUS V7700 DDR Deluxe (GeForce2 GTS) w/ 32MB Creative Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 Maxtor 30GB 7200RPM UDMA100 HDD Thats so odd. Your system is more powerful than mine! I've got: AMD Athlon 900mhz CPU Shuttle MB 384 megs Ram SB Xgamer Live IBM 60 gig Deskstar HD Geforce 2 Titanium (64megs) (but Winex played fine with the 32 meg card I had before) It doesn't make sense to me that it plays so well here, on an inferior system, and plays so poorly there... :-( -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
Okay, here's a summary of my past postings here, since you are too damn lazy (or stupid, take your pick) to actually read past posts: Firstly, I tried the whole WineX thing. And let me tell you, it sucks. I was using the CVS (read: FREE) version, of which you can find a tutorial on my site: http://mdkxp.by-a.com/htm/tutorials/winex.php But since CVS was supposed to suck in comparison to the RPMs that they release, I got subscribed for 3 months. During that time, they released ONE RPM. ONE. As soon as I got it, I installed it. WineX 2.0. I have tested over 70 games myself on WineX 2.0, and less than 10% of them worked, IIRC. Here is a partial list of the games I tested: http://mdkxp.by-a.com/winex/WineXGames.html I have over 100 games, I just got sick of testing them. I should still have a list of most of them on this site: http://games.dolson.cjb.net/ Can you also see why I would buy WineX in hopes that many of my games would work? And could you not see how I would be disappointed when I find that 90% or more of my games don't work, and many of them froze my computer with WineX? I bought Baldur's Gate 2 because it had a high rating. And it works, SOMETIMES. Other times, it doesn't, and that is of course, if you can actually get it to install. I think that they should work on EXISTING games, the ones that people still like and aren't ported/never will be ported, before they work on the new ones. Yes, they are working on CURRENT games. Which means that MORE AND MORE companies will rely on TRANSGAMING to get their games working and they will IGNORE native ports. Emulated can NEVER compare to NATIVE Linux games. EVER. On Saturday 06 July 2002 04:08 am, and idiot wrote: On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 17:55, D. Olson wrote: I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. It's working? 30% of the Windows framerate is not what I call working. 5 out of 70 games is not what I call working. Locking up systems is not what I call working. Where are you getting your numbers, Olsen? Where are you seeing 30% of the Winblows framerate? Where are you seeing 5 out of 70 when you haven't even run WineX for your own self? Where are you seeing Locking up systems? If you come on here blowing off at the mouth about something, you darn sure better have your ducks in a row, cause here we cite our sources. That way we cut the troll crap off at the nut level. So cite your sources and quit wasting everybody's time with possibly malinformed rhetoric; especially for the benefit of those of us who actually run and have VALID Winex experience; while not locking up. Such as myself, Darklord, and others. All WineX is doing is showing developers that their work in porting software natively isn't worth a damn because Wine can handle it. You don't see it now, but Wine and WineX will be the downfall of the Linux gaming market. And when that happens, I'll have you to thank for it. Now, let me move right on along to the next few points. First of all, I'm glad you've got this brilliant idea about writing games for Linux. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and come off the hip with a few million dollars and start your own company that rewrites winblows games for linux. That way you can promote Linux in your own way, and you won't be bugging the crap and high horseing others who are promoting it in their own way. If you need a name for your company, I've even got a suggestion for that; how does Loki sound? What a brilliant concept. You can take the onus of the programming work off of the winblows game programmers, saving them time and money, and hire your own team of programmers; hopefully you'll be able to pay them, eh? Yeah, what an idea. Something just occurred to me tho...there's only one problem with this brilliant idea, thoit's ALREADY BEEN DONE. Dern...I forgot about that ALREADY BEEN DONE part. RL's a bitch, aint it? Maybe we could start out being a little better informed next time, eh? You know, before we find out that we are actually milking a bull. But let's see...what else could you do? Oh hey, I know!! You could go talk to Bethesda Softworks or John Carmack (ever heard of them?) and get them to write for two OS's!! John Carmack would probably be OK with it (since he's already doing it for zero profit out of pure goodwill), but Bethsoft would have to either hire new game programmers or put their existing ones on double duty plus a new learning curve. Come to think of it, knowing them as I do and what a tight ship they run, Bethsoft might laugh you off the property. But hey, that's a risk you're willing to take, right? Anything to stop those stupid Winex users from playing their games under Linux. And don't forget...you've got ME
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 July 2002 07:57 pm, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: How's about some benchmarks then? I'd like to see which games you are running, as well as the fps, if you can get it (some don't let you). quake ii and quake iii both give from 10 to 40% higher frames on my machine than when it had win2k. i recall the amounts, i do not recall the actuall rates in win. i wiped it long ago and don't care. diablo ii runs (unlike windows) without pauses between areas while the cd reads and i have played it online with ppl while they crashed and had to reload 4-5 times i ran one long game. starcraft runs without the silly hitches it seemed to have for no reason. i had a few other games that ran well sometimes better, but the games didn't last as i lost interest in them. for what it is worth, i agree that there needs to be native games. i disagree that wine will ruin atempts to do so. i do think the linux desktop needs more air time to get it (ie there are far more users, i suspect, than most companies guess) but i have a hard time following this thread due to high insult factor (even when it is not aimed at you, life is too short to read too many idiot, moron, lazy and jerk comments.) - -- Save a tree... eat a beaver. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9JziEBwq+ZwvIN/oRAn4IAJ9coBO36DL31cjpToS0Ye0QPRYfGwCdFCJW gzkb3B830hXSx4TtoppuAKw= =ZMpJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 12:08 pm, you wrote: What is *it* ? Which games? What framerates? Come on, out with it! ;) Umm, thats with: Starcraft SC: Brood Wars Diablo 2 D2: Lord of Destruction Jedi Knight 2: Outcast I've not figured out how to get frame rates on these just yet, as soon as I do I will post them. Subjectively, (and I know that varies from user to user) it feels just as fast as running under Windows. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Fri, 2002-07-05 at 21:27, shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 July 2002 02:55 pm, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: It's working? 30% of the Windows framerate is not what I call working. 5 out of 70 games is not what I call working. Locking up systems is not maybe you should look into your setup? i mean ymmv, but i have 9 of 10 working and most better than they did in win2k... - -- FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. -Ambrose Bierce (The Devil's Dictionary) My experience is the same, shane. Diablo 2 works just fine, and crashes just don't happen anymore. On the other hand, under Winblows I continually had problems. Plus from what I've seen, Diablo 2 runs faster and smoother under Linux. L8r, LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 05:30 pm, you wrote: My experience is the same, shane. Diablo 2 works just fine, and crashes just don't happen anymore. On the other hand, under Winblows I continually had problems. Plus from what I've seen, Diablo 2 runs faster and smoother under Linux. Is that the only game that you have running fine in WineX? Have you tried any of the other 69 or 70 on my list? -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 06 July 2002 11:58 am, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Umm... Why the hell are you playing these in Wine(X)? There are native ports for all the Quake games, and they run better than they ever will in Wine(X). umm i the hell did because at one time i didn't know, i the hell don't now. I have over 100 games, and neither of those two are in my list. Why? Cuz I don't like them. So what do I do about the rest of my games? Throw them away? no, go load windows and play them and lay off the list. we aren't going to fix it. no list memebers own game companies. preach to those who can do something about it. Okay. But I don't see what's hard to understand about it. If a company sees that some people are satisfied with a game running at 34% of the speed under WineX, then they will shrug and not bother porting it. I would. if that were the case it would matter. If you don't read the posts, then don't start insulting people saying they don't know what they are talking about when they have stated it fully previously. It just makes people look like - (blanked out for you, buddy). actually i did read the posts, i was saying i was questioning following further based on your attitude. i no longer question. if you feel i insulted you, imagine how your assinine remarks sound. don't bother editing your comments, i can edit them. i have added you to my sort to trash list. - -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9J25RBwq+ZwvIN/oRAucFAJ9iqZSpfKjMHAGYZKshtSBZwL4t1wCcDUnM 1kHQJRf6GyJadXRFdMjSjgQ= =OQTp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
Umm... Why the hell are you playing these in Wine(X)? There are native ports for all the Quake games, and they run better than they ever will in Wine(X). umm i the hell did because at one time i didn't know, i the hell don't now. Okay, well, it's a valid question... Most people do know that you can play those games (as well as RTCW, Unreal, UT, and Doom) in Linux natively. I am surprised that a list like this, especially people who use WineX don't know about that already. I mean, even in the Transgaming forums they talk about the native versions of the Quake games. no, go load windows and play them and lay off the list. we aren't going to fix it. no list memebers own game companies. preach to those who can do something about it. Yeah, well, if I am the only person who emails any companies, how will they ever find out about YOU? How will they know that YOU want native games? THEY WON'T. Okay. But I don't see what's hard to understand about it. If a company sees that some people are satisfied with a game running at 34% of the speed under WineX, then they will shrug and not bother porting it. I would. if that were the case it would matter. Well, it will matter in the future, but remember, you are the ones who are making it that way. Companies are even replying to emails saying I recommend you try running the game/application in Wine/WineX which means that obviously they aren't going to bother porting it. Don't ask for references, as I read about this on a forum. I think it was the Mandrake User Board, a long while ago, but I don't recall. If you don't read the posts, then don't start insulting people saying they don't know what they are talking about when they have stated it fully previously. It just makes people look like - (blanked out for you, buddy). actually i did read the posts, i was saying i was questioning following further based on your attitude. i no longer question. if you feel i insulted you, imagine how your assinine remarks sound. I wasn't saying that you didn't. It was Lyvim Xaphir who started saying stupid things like Where are you seeing 5 out of 70 when you haven't even run WineX for your own self? I wasn't directing that at you personally, it was a statement. Period. You obviously didn't notice that blanked out for you, buddy part in my statement, in which I wouldn't have called you buddy if you were the one who said something as dumb as If you come on here blowing off at the mouth about something, you darn sure better have your ducks in a row, cause here we cite our sources. don't bother editing your comments, i can edit them. i have added you to my sort to trash list. That's nice. -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Saturday 06 July 2002 04:22 pm, you wrote: Of course, spot on! No offense meant - I hope that none was taken. You must explain *your* nickname sometime! Best, AH. None taken at all! grin Ah well...its childish, I know. I used to run an Atari based BBS that was quite popular in the county where I live. It was called The DarkForce BBS. Why? Because we were a dark force against all the DOS/Windows based BBS's of the time. (and now, with Linux - DarkForce lives in spirit again!) I was SysOp, and used the moniker DarkChyld. I even had an e-mail address to that effect for a long time. To make a not really long story shorter, the ISP I used folded, and the new one wouldn't allow anything longer than 8 characters in your e-mail address. Thus, DarkChyld became DarkLord. Also, I used to play quite a few RPG's (still do, really!), and my alter-ego as it were was this name. I had the same problem here - some games won't accept more than 8 characters for your name... PS Couldn't get DarkLord on Battlenet - so I had to come up with something else there. If you see Ebony_Knight online there - tis me! lol PSS Apologies to all - this is really OT... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:03, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 01 July 2002 05:24 pm, you wrote: everything snipped You can run your mouth about how I should order online like the rest of you, but it just so happens that I don't own a credit card, nor do I want one. And really, do Windows users have to buy their games online? No. I like to walk into a store, pay for my game, and then have the game in MY HANDS. I don't like to order over the internet from people I don't know, with no guarantee that I will actually ever see the product. If thats true, then its obvious there needs to be a much larger game playing user base under Linux to get these companies attention and hold it. Let me tell you something. How the fuck do you expect the Linux gaming community to grow when THERE ARE NO FUCKING GAMES FOR LINUX? I'll be the first to celebrate when that day arrives! :-) I doubt it. I don't know at what point this conversation turned the way it has, but as far as I'm concerned its over. Thank you. -- /\ DarkLord \/ I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. I tell you what...I get involved in a new install for a few days, and before I can get back, *everything* flies off the handle. ;) Hey, DL...thanks for the Morrowind vote! It helped tremendously. When you're ready let me know and I'll return the favor. Back in black, LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. It's working? 30% of the Windows framerate is not what I call working. 5 out of 70 games is not what I call working. Locking up systems is not what I call working. All WineX is doing is showing developers that their work in porting software natively isn't worth a damn because Wine can handle it. You don't see it now, but Wine and WineX will be the downfall of the Linux gaming market. And when that happens, I'll have you to thank for it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:57:49 -0400, D. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 05 July 2002 09:27 pm, you wrote: On Friday 05 July 2002 02:55 pm, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: It's working? 30% of the Windows framerate is not what I call working. 5 out of 70 games is not what I call working. Locking up systems is not maybe you should look into your setup? i mean ymmv, but i have 9 of 10 working and most better than they did in win2k... How's about some benchmarks then? I'd like to see which games you are running, as well as the fps, if you can get it (some don't let you). Here's one of mine: Alice = WineX - 24 fps (tops) Windows - 70+ fps For more benchmarks, go and look at these (yes, they're from Tom's Hardware...): http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image001.gif http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image002.gif http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image003.gif http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image004.gif http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image005.gif http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/images/image006.gif Oh, and by the way, if you can't install a game like Baldur's Gate 2, why does it get a rating of 4/5? That's pretty dumb. And yes, I got it to actually run ONCE. It installed fine. Then I tested it again after a fresh install of Mandrake 8.2, and whammo. Doesn't work now, and it starts asking me for mythical CDs... Yes, I'd give THAT a 4 out of 5 rating... Yes, games tend to be slower in WineX than in Windows. It should be remembered, though, that Winex is a relatively new product. WINE may have been around for a long time, but WineX's extensions are very new. DirectX is closed source, and so WineX is the work of reverse-engineering, which is very difficult to achieve. I'm sure that it will get better in the future. As WineX develops, Transgaming will be able to make more deals and partnerships with other games companies to make their games compatible with WineX. Some deals have already been made, like the agreement with EA to make a GNU/Linux version of 'The Sims'. In the future, games will be compatible with both Windows and WineX out of the box, with no special GNU/Linux-only modifications. I do, however, share your concerns that WineX may kill the native GNU/Linux gaming industry. OS/2 once advertised itself as A better Windows than Windows, in reference to its Win16 and Win32 compatibility. Developers took advantage of that by making applications in Win16/32 so that they would run in both Windows and OS/2, thereby killing the market for native OS/2 apps. The GNU/Linux market is too small to sustain a commercial gaming market. Even Loki, which simply ported games from Windows to GNU/Linux instead of making their own, couldn't stay in business. IMHO, the best solution is to adopt the model used in Quake 2/3: use open standards to ensure that a game works in other OSs with little modification. In Quake's case, all that is required to make the game run work in GNU/Linux is to change a few megabytes of binaries. Environments like OpenGL and SDL are designed to do just that. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... I will claim that nobody else designed Linux any more than I did, and I doubt I'll have many people disagreeing. It grew. It grew with a lot of mutations - and because the mutations were less than random, they were faster and more directed than alpha-particles in DNA. -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Friday 05 July 2002 11:38 am, you wrote: I'm a little confused also, since anyone alive and not living under a rock has heard about Loki's demise. Transgaming is the bridge from the gaming world to the world of linux, and it's working. Nuff said. I tell you what...I get involved in a new install for a few days, and before I can get back, *everything* flies off the handle. ;) Thats the Linux world for ya... :-) Hey, DL...thanks for the Morrowind vote! It helped tremendously. When you're ready let me know and I'll return the favor. Back in black, LX No problem. Heck, since our tastes seem to run the same way, I'm sure your votes would be what I would do anyways. Lets just hope we can get Morrowind running! PS WIndog version of Neverwinter Nights is out - hope the 'Nix version is released soon!!! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 11:59 pm, you wrote: i have seen a few, but not much. it boils down to the chicken and the egg. if nobody makes linux games, you buy win games and run them in linux, but then nobody is buying linux games, so why make linux games? personally, i support wine because they are doing something bigger than games, but i only buy games if they are for linux. i miss loki So do I, Shane! I bought just about everything they offered... ;-( -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Wednesday 03 July 2002 11:40 am, you wrote: So do I, Shane! I bought just about everything they offered... ;-( I saw three Loki games today - EUS (I already have it), Myth II, and some train simulator game. I would have loved to buy both of the latter two, but I decided on just Myth II. Why? Not because I am not supporting the Linux games, but I mean, $45 for a TRAIN SIM? I am sorry, but I just don't like trains. So I got Myth II for $7.99. If that train sim is still there in a month or so, I will offer them $15 for it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
Well strap a collar on and call me Lassie... I actually found a Loki game today... Myth II - $7.99 CAD... I got it. Gonna try it in a few minutes. On Tuesday 02 July 2002 11:59 pm, you wrote: On Tuesday 02 July 2002 05:30 pm, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Yes, very strange indeed. Funny how I only ever saw ONE Linux game on a store shelf... Hmm... Go figure. i have seen a few, but not much. it boils down to the chicken and the egg. if nobody makes linux games, you buy win games and run them in linux, but then nobody is buying linux games, so why make linux games? personally, i support wine because they are doing something bigger than games, but i only buy games if they are for linux. i miss loki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:41 am, you wrote: On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:11:02 -0400, D. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 July 2002 12:46 am, you wrote: But why would anyone buy the GNU/Linux version when you can get the Windows version for the same price (sometimes cheaper) and download the GNU/Linux binaries off the Internet? That way, you can have the game working in both OSs. Well, AFAIK you can do the same with the Linux version of Q3A... Just download the Windows point release... So... Someone would NOT buy the Linux release because they are misinformed... But where can you find the GNU/Linux release? Most people buy their games in stores, but the only store I've seen selling Quake 3 for GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux-only. How often do you go to a GNU/Linux store? Many GNU/Linux users would know that Quake 3 binaries are available on the Internet, so it doesn't matter which version they buy. These people would then go to their local games shop and buy the Windows version. Why go out of the way to some tiny GNU/Linux store when you can just go to a shop just around the corner? It's sad but it happens. I know what you are saying, but that wasn't my point initially... You said That way, you can have the game working in both OSs and my point was that it didn't matter what version you bought, as they BOTH work in BOTH OSes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
Whatever. Why is it so hard to see that without Linux games, there CAN'T be a Linux gaming market? How can we prove that we will buy games if there ARE NO GAMES to buy? On Tuesday 02 July 2002 12:03 pm, you wrote: On Monday 01 July 2002 05:24 pm, you wrote: everything snipped You can run your mouth about how I should order online like the rest of you, but it just so happens that I don't own a credit card, nor do I want one. And really, do Windows users have to buy their games online? No. I like to walk into a store, pay for my game, and then have the game in MY HANDS. I don't like to order over the internet from people I don't know, with no guarantee that I will actually ever see the product. If thats true, then its obvious there needs to be a much larger game playing user base under Linux to get these companies attention and hold it. Let me tell you something. How the fuck do you expect the Linux gaming community to grow when THERE ARE NO FUCKING GAMES FOR LINUX? I'll be the first to celebrate when that day arrives! :-) I doubt it. I don't know at what point this conversation turned the way it has, but as far as I'm concerned its over. Thank you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Windows Games OT: Quake 2.
Hi guys, If I have Quake 2 for windows.. is there anyway I can get it running on a linux box?? If I understand correctly, all I really need from the win install is the .pak files.. the rest of them can be replaced with a free linux variant??? is that true? If so, where do I get it? Also, can the linux quake join a network game with windoze machines running on the same internal network? any tips id be great.. I have my two nephews coming over and they want to play network quake with me.. I have two windoze machines, and a linux box I can use for this.. and I was hoping to use them. I don't want them using my laptop.. (its for work.) any tips? rgds Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:29, D. Olson opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: Whatever. Why is it so hard to see that without Linux games, there CAN'T be a Linux gaming market? How can we prove that we will buy games if there ARE NO GAMES to buy? there was a couple of companies making them. they went out of buis. go figure. -- If I admit I was wrong, I am only saying I am wiser today than yesterday. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 04:31 pm, you wrote: there was a couple of companies making them. they went out of buis. go figure. Yes, very strange indeed. Funny how I only ever saw ONE Linux game on a store shelf... Hmm... Go figure. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 02 July 2002 05:30 pm, D. Olson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Yes, very strange indeed. Funny how I only ever saw ONE Linux game on a store shelf... Hmm... Go figure. i have seen a few, but not much. it boils down to the chicken and the egg. if nobody makes linux games, you buy win games and run them in linux, but then nobody is buying linux games, so why make linux games? personally, i support wine because they are doing something bigger than games, but i only buy games if they are for linux. i miss loki - -- Also we should remember that unfortunately free software is not widely used because people prefers to have something to plug'n'play and not something to configure'n'work. - Pier Luca shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Ina+Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAhsPAJ9XVZNEvMBeGKmsnIKo2JX/CfOKuACcCOVh E6IVS18HweW7miv+1+6BRj0= =itAu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Sunday 30 June 2002 10:10 am, you wrote: various parts snipped Firstly, I tried the whole WineX thing. And let me tell you, it sucks. I think it rules. During that time, they released ONE RPM. ONE. I've been with them some few months and have went thru 3 releases. Another point to the subscription is that we are supporting their development. I'm comfortable with this... I have tested over 70 games myself on WineX 2.0, and less than 10% of them worked, IIRC. Here is a partial list of the games I tested: First of all, let me say how impressed I am with someone who has 70 games! and then...I've (obviously) not tried these games - but I can report that the following work great: Diablo 2 Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction Strarcraft Strarcraft: Brood wars Jedi Knight 2: Outcast Why? Cuz WineX performance is less than 50% of the Windows/Linux equivalent. Don't argue; it's a fact. I tested it myself, and it was benchmarked on some website as well. Nope. Not here. All the games that I listed and play, play as fast/good under the WineX/Linux combo as they do under Windoze... I hate WineX, and if we settle for emulated crap, then the developers will just say Oh, I see that our work is not appreciated/needed, since Wine(X) is good enough for them, so I suppose we won't port this game now. I've worried about this as well, but WineX *does* work with the most popular games I play, so until they are ported, I'll use it. Using Windows platform games under WineX in Linux beats the Hell out of having to have Windows on my computer! Emulated can NEVER compare to NATIVE Linux games. EVER. I absolutely agree with the above line! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
July 1, 2002 02:00 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: snip OTOH, I'd love to see every new game be ported to Linux. What do you think it would take to make that happen? Transgaming closing up shop? I don't think so. More presence in the desktop (home) market? Absolutely. I honestly believe that day will come. I'm really looking forward to the new releases like DOOM and Neverwinter Nights... IIRC, Hyperion Software released Shogo: Mobile Armor Division for Linux, then after dismal sales, said they would not release any more - but would still continue to port games to the Amiga - because they sold more games on the Amiga than Linux... Think about that. If thats true, then its obvious there needs to be a much larger game playing user base under Linux to get these companies attention and hold it. I'll be the first to celebrate when that day arrives! :-) Not quite sure how I feel about it, but I am a Transgaming subscriber (annual) even though I don't play games. I believe in what they're doing even though, in my opinion, it's a stopgap/transitional solution. My 17 year old son is a game nut, but also has been developing an allergic reaction to anything that says Windows. Possibly he's been exposed to a bad influence? :-) At last count he, and his mother's husband, have over 50 games between them. Since the computer they play on belongs to the ex's hubby it's hard for him to justify (nigh impossible) adding Transgaming's WineX and Mandrake just 'cause he hates MS. He's working and saving his shekels so we can build a system for him (and his sister occasionally) to play on without having to worry about it. That's one perspective. A few friends; and many acquaintances of mine, are avid gamers as well, with 30 to 75 games each. Unfortunately some of them are of the but it (GNU/Linux) is free, so it should all be free! mindset and wouldn't pay for an emulator. Or the games. A few won't even pay for a certain OS that runs their games natively but that's their problem. I'm not condoning it, but 'ignore' is still in my vocabulary, and the number is low enough %agewise that I don't feel it necessary to do more than call them thieves. To their faces. Many of those people that do actually buy things (the vast majority) would probably be willing to buy the games if they were ported/released for GNU/Linux; but wouldn't buy a subscription to play. They aren't sick enough of MS yet maybe. People that don't have any emotional investment in MS (read as borderline hatred or worse) aren't usually interested in a different way to do things, since they generally just don't care one way or the other. As long as they can start and play their games, surf the 'net, read their e-mail, they're happy. It may have to do with me never having been interested in games so I don't relate well to them. Or just possibly another example of the what's in it for me? mindset that I see too often everywhere on the planet. The rest? Hate MS; many (18) are dual booting Mandrake with a version of Windows, but would prefer not to have to reboot to play a game. Most aren't convinced enough yet to go whole hog, and the fact that many games still won't run, or won't run seamlessly, is a stumbling block. Major one in fact. Especially those running (9) MS Crash 2001 (aka Windows XP) since the damned thing has a tendency to complain about nothing and/or eat it's own certified drivers for no apparent reason and like all versions before it the only way to recover is to reinstall. MS RR. The field (home user desktop) is more open than it was three years ago because of changing public perceptions. The potential is here _now_ for a distribution to become *the* most popular desktop OS, (the 'next big thing') since BillyG keeps shooting himself in the foot. Mandrake is the one that I hope takes advantage of this. To the game developers I can only offer (steal) a quote from a book/movie; Build it and they will come. In informal poling *they* amounts to 30 people. That I know of. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org A wise man can see more from a mountain top than a fool can from the bottom of a well. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Monday 01 July 2002 04:43 pm, Charlie wrote: Not quite sure how I feel about it, but I am a Transgaming subscriber (annual) even though I don't play games. I believe in what they're doing even though, in my opinion, it's a stopgap/transitional solution. Admirable intention. I do the same with Codeweavers (X-over plugin). I agree, it's a 'stopgap/transitional solution'. BUT, what I use/support most of Codeweavers wine/X-over for, is beginning to have native Linux support. Many of those people that do actually buy things (the vast majority) would probably be willing to buy the games if they were ported/released for GNU/Linux; but wouldn't buy a subscription to play. They aren't sick enough of MS yet maybe. I don't care for games much, but I do need a flight simulator. FlightGear just doesn't cut it (yet). I dual boot W98 soley to be able to run FS2000. I'd like to try FS2002, but I'm damned if I'll give His Billness one more nickel for M$ B$. AND I highly doubt Uncle Billy plans to port M$ Flight Sim 2002 to Linux, and/or make it OSS/GPL. If he did tho, I'd buy it in a NY minute ; -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
July 1, 2002 08:38 pm, tom brinkman wrote: On Monday 01 July 2002 04:43 pm, Charlie wrote: Not quite sure how I feel about it, but I am a Transgaming subscriber (annual) even though I don't play games. I believe in what they're doing even though, in my opinion, it's a stopgap/transitional solution. Admirable intention. I do the same with Codeweavers (X-over plugin). I agree, it's a 'stopgap/transitional solution'. BUT, what I use/support most of Codeweavers wine/X-over for, is beginning to have native Linux support. Many of those people that do actually buy things (the vast majority) would probably be willing to buy the games if they were ported/released for GNU/Linux; but wouldn't buy a subscription to play. They aren't sick enough of MS yet maybe. I don't care for games much, but I do need a flight simulator. FlightGear just doesn't cut it (yet). I dual boot W98 soley to be able to run FS2000. I'd like to try FS2002, but I'm damned if I'll give His Billness one more nickel for M$ B$. AND I highly doubt Uncle Billy plans to port M$ Flight Sim 2002 to Linux, and/or make it OSS/GPL. If he did tho, I'd buy it in a NY minute ; ~~ A NY minute? It would take that long? :-) I forgot about the Crossover Pug-in. I'm with you. Now if Apple would stop screwin' around and port Quick Time I'd shoot that one out the window too. But I'd still support the developers. Wild Bill and his $$ troops (slobbering sycophants) got the last money they'll ever get from me in 1999. Windows 98 SE and Office 2000 'cause I needed them for some courses I was taking through Athabasca University. They're both busy gathering dust in a closet and have been for 27 months now. Note to self: Must dust closet, there may be something _useful_ in there. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org I have learned To spell hors d'oeuvres Which still grates on Some people's n'oeuvres. -- Warren Knox Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games - QT
On Monday 01 July 2002 11:06 pm, Charlie wrote: A NY minute? It would take that long? :-) In Texas a NY minute is pretty darn short. Sort'a kind'a like blinking your eyes. I'll be back in 30 minutes, might be tomorrow tho ; I forgot about the Crossover Pug-in. I'm with you. Now if Apple would stop screwin' around and port Quick Time I'd shoot that one out the window too. No need to wait on those source borrowin Apple jerks, Both Xine and mplayer came out with versions last week that play QuickTime movies better than Apple's native player (which also works better with X-over/fake_windows, than under Billy's Winwoes ;) Video quality is better, at least on my hardware (GeF2, open source XFree driver). I figured it wouldn't be long after Macs switched to BSD before QT became Linux compatible ;) xine-ui-0.9.12-1mdk (I used the src.rpm) MPlayer CVS-020627-23:00-3.1.1 (C) 2000-2002 Arpad Gereoffy Of the two, I like mplayer a little better. Both will play QT movies full screen and continuously (multiple movies in succession). I've got .mov's stored on CD's, each of which that'll play all night long ;) Free at last from that damn Apple player ; I believe Xmovie has QT support now also, but I haven't seen the new version on any mirrors yet to try it. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:13:36 -0400, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald J. Hall wrote: IIRC, Hyperion Software released Shogo: Mobile Armor Division for Linux, then after dismal sales, said they would not release any more - but would still continue to port games to the Amiga - because they sold more games on the Amiga than Linux... I'm curious -- I don't usually follow the game market at all -- approximately when did that occur? (I mean, like a year ago, two years ago, last week??) I remember reading about that. A Hyperion guy said it in an interview on some Web site (I can't remember which one). IIRC, the interview wasn't done very long ago; maybe earlier this year or late last year. Some of the stats are misleading, though. John Carmack (of id Software fame) said last year that he was disappointed at the sales of the GNU/Linux version of Quake 3. But why would anyone buy the GNU/Linux version when you can get the Windows version for the same price (sometimes cheaper) and download the GNU/Linux binaries off the Internet? That way, you can have the game working in both OSs. If you want to do a GNU/Linux port of any software (not just games), a publisher should package it together with the Windows version. In the case of Quake 3, the GNU/Linux binaries are only a couple of megs, so why not? I believe that Sun, Hancom and Gobe are doing just that with their respective office suites. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan We love Linux, and the most wonderful thing about Linux is that it's a problem for Microsoft. -- Scott McNealy, CEO of Sun Microsystems Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:12, D. Olson wrote: Anyone wanna add to this list of games that work USING THE WINDOWS CDs? Doom Quake Quake 2 Quake 3 Arena Unreal Unreal Tournament Return to Castle Wolfenstein Oh, only NATIVE games, please. Of course..I have one or two entries here. Please excuse the lateness of the reply, I've been offline and have missed much interesting email, such as your post here. Sorry I was unable to provide a more comprehensive list of games; all of the ones I found are not listed, only those with the highest success rating using Transgaming Winex. Results from Transgaming database search: Diablo 2 Working Rating: 5 Popularity: 1464 Forum Posts: 868 The Sims (Mandrake Gaming Edition) Working Rating: 5 Popularity: 250 Forum Posts: 97 Max Payne Working Rating: 5 Popularity: 547 Forum Posts: 126 Atomic Bomberman Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 41 Forum Posts: 1 Fallout Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 137 Forum Posts: 3 Maximum Pool Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Blair Witch, Volume 2: The Legend of Coffin Rock Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Rehash Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Warhammer 40k: Final Liberation Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 10 Forum Posts: 3 Political Tycoon Economic War Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Star Wars Insiders Guide Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 4 Forum Posts: 0 Starcraft Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 973 Forum Posts: 252 Swat 3 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 2 Crazy Marbles Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Half Life - Blue Shift Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 73 Forum Posts: 11 Heroes of Might and Magic IV Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 132 Forum Posts: 10 Alone In The Dark: A New Nightmare Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Star Wars: Behind the Magic Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 7 Forum Posts: 0 American McGee's Alice Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 358 Forum Posts: 113 Redline Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 13 Forum Posts: 0 In The Hunt Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Demonstar Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Nox Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 27 Forum Posts: 4 Railroad Tycoon 2 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 7 Forum Posts: 2 Freddi Fish 2 Haunted House Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Allods 2 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 15 Forum Posts: 0 Field and Stream Trophy Bass 4 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Chaos Overlords Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 6 Forum Posts: 0 Elasto Mania Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 31 Forum Posts: 2 Return To Castle Wolfenstein Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 479 Forum Posts: 88 Gore Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 12 Shattered Galaxy Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 10 Forum Posts: 2 Lords of Magic Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 21 Forum Posts: 2 Axis Allies Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 17 Forum Posts: 5 Ultra Thrillride Pinball Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 4 Forum Posts: 0 F22 Raptor Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Mig 29 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Half-Life and Counter-Strike Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 1626 Forum Posts: 938 NHL 98 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 15 Forum Posts: 0 Putt Putt Joins the Circus Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Championship Manager 2001/2002 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 30 Forum Posts: 5 Blade Runner Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 27 Forum Posts: 7 RC Racers Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 9 Forum Posts: 0 Wetrix Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 12 Forum Posts: 0 Quake III Arena Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 20 Forum Posts: 6 Gilbert Goodmate Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 4 Forum Posts: 1 Madeline Preschool Kindergarten Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Total Annihilation Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 304 Forum Posts: 34 Russo-German War Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 2 Settlers IV Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 69 Forum Posts: 10 Pocket Tanks Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Delta Force Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 32 Forum Posts: 7 SIN Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 13 Forum Posts: 2 Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 510 Forum Posts: 280 Virtual Springfield Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 0 Forum Posts: 0 Patrician 2 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Baldur's Gate Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 290 Forum Posts: 81 Fallout 2 Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 223 Forum Posts: 15 Manx TT SuperBike Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 5 Forum Posts: 0 Pontifex Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 28 Forum Posts: 0 Timeshock Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 8 Forum Posts: 0 Mortal Kombat IV Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 10 Forum Posts: 0 Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 42 Forum Posts: 0 Revenge of Marjorie the Chicken Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 2 Forum Posts: 0 Soldier of Fortune II Working Rating: 4 Popularity: 144 Forum
Re: [newbie] Windows Games
Firstly, I tried the whole WineX thing. And let me tell you, it sucks. I was using the CVS (read: FREE) version, of which you can find a tutorial on my site: http://mdkxp.by-a.com/htm/tutorials/winex.php But since CVS was supposed to suck in comparison to the RPMs that they release, I got subscribed for 3 months. During that time, they released ONE RPM. ONE. As soon as I got it, I installed it. WineX 2.0. I have tested over 70 games myself on WineX 2.0, and less than 10% of them worked, IIRC. Here is a partial list of the games I tested: http://mdkxp.by-a.com/winex/WineXGames.html Now, I have a listing along with the installers on this page: http://mdkxp.by-a.com/htm/articles/gamelist.php And I think you missed a critical part of my message: On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:12, D. Olson wrote: Oh, only NATIVE games, please. Why? Cuz WineX performance is less than 50% of the Windows/Linux equivalent. Don't argue; it's a fact. I tested it myself, and it was benchmarked on some website as well. I hate WineX, and if we settle for emulated crap, then the developers will just say Oh, I see that our work is not appreciated/needed, since Wine(X) is good enough for them, so I suppose we won't port this game now. Emulated can NEVER compare to NATIVE Linux games. EVER. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
