Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Your problem is very simple. You have a fan failure (over the main chip) or you have some dodgy memory. Open the case up and check the little fan is turning. If not, don't use your machine until you have a new one on (typical cost £3). If the fan is fine and the machine is still under warrenty (I imagine it is with this kind of bedding-in problem) take it back the the shop and get them to replace the memory/motherboard/main chip until it starts working. Also, try using the computer with a few other OS's (like Windows or whatever) to make sure there wasn't a manufactureing fault on your install disk (very unlikely). Bill. - Original Message - From: Mohamed Saad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Good morning everyone... Thanks a lot for ur reply... :) hi seve... well... i wasn't running any special services when i experienced these crashes!! have a look for urself! :) KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! I was just running Netscape! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Nothing special! just the terminal, i think! Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Nothing was running at all!! I had just logged in! :) Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Guess i was playing some KDE games!! :) Hmmm.. about my version... i dunno its precise number! but it is the version that came with PC PLUS this month! :) Thank u for ur help... Have a nice day... Urs forever.. Mohamed Saad __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
- Original Message - From: Joseph S. Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? I encountered a VERY similar problem and it turned out that the video card was not seated completely. I had just installed a new video card and hard-drive and followed up with an upgrade to 7.02. Netscape would crash aLOT and since I had not experienced any problems with the prior 6.1 version I assumed it was Netscape not realizing that I hadn't run the new hardware very long before I upgraded from 6.1 to 7.02. I ended up having to cut some of the bottom of the mounting bracket off of the video card before I could get it to seat properly. *Bill replies* Very interesting. As far as I can tell Linux is just very very stable, so when people get these stability problems it is pretty well always the hardware. It is only pure chance I knew that as my dad had a Windows machine that used to do these random crashes too, and it turned out to be in his case the memory. I hear that Linux is basically good for about 400 days, then some counter inside turns over back to 0 and mucks everything up. I've got a 486 on as I type that has an uptime of about 2 weeks now, so I'll see how far I get with it and whether it can go the distance. Regards, Bill.
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes How to reinstall others (3 in 1!!!!)
I had the same with RED HAT. What I did is the following 1. I started a install of Caldera. I then aborted out of it. Now my disk was trashed. 2. Reinstalled Red-Hat seamed stable. Still crashed 3. Got mandrake from a Magazine made boot disk and reinstalled. They say you can reinstall over corrupted but I think it is better to start out fresh. My troubles with Red Hat were 1. couldn't get printer to work 2. Couldn't get to internet -modem would dial. Now with Madrake -printer works fine. I never hear the modem start so I'm down to 1 problem. An improvement but still not right. when I got to internet I only see netscape and not kppp. take careChuck Dunkirk CNE,CCNA,CCDA Mohamed Saad wrote: Hello everyone... How are you? hope everything is allright! well... I am really having lots of troubles! Linux is currently crashing at a rate of 2 time per day!! ( i use it for just 1 hour/day!!!)! the problem is that every time it crashes, i have to press reset, which makes it crash even more and so on so... How can i reinstall Linux? can i just begin the installation process again, and it will replace all corrupted files? or must i remove the linux partitions first?? btw, where does linux store the fonts? how can i install more fonts?? well.. what do i do if i get a program that require some old X files (hehe! :) like libXt.so.3?? How can i run the program without having to recopile it from sources? please explain in details!! thank you... Urs forever... Mohamed Saad __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Good morning everyone... Thanks a lot for ur reply... :) hi seve... well... i wasn't running any special services when i experienced these crashes!! have a look for urself! :) KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! I was just running Netscape! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Nothing special! just the terminal, i think! Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Nothing was running at all!! I had just logged in! :) Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Guess i was playing some KDE games!! :) Hmmm.. about my version... i dunno its precise number! but it is the version that came with PC PLUS this month! :) Thank u for ur help... Have a nice day... Urs forever.. Mohamed Saad __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
[newbie] lots of crashes How to reinstall others (3 in 1!!!!)
Hello everyone... How are you? hope everything is allright! well... I am really having lots of troubles! Linux is currently crashing at a rate of 2 time per day!! ( i use it for just 1 hour/day!!!)! the problem is that every time it crashes, i have to press reset, which makes it crash even more and so on so... How can i reinstall Linux? can i just begin the installation process again, and it will replace all corrupted files? or must i remove the linux partitions first?? btw, where does linux store the fonts? how can i install more fonts?? well.. what do i do if i get a program that require some old X files (hehe! :) like libXt.so.3?? How can i run the program without having to recopile it from sources? please explain in details!! thank you... Urs forever... Mohamed Saad __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
If you're crashing 3 times a day in Windows, sounds like you may have a hardware or configuration problem - Not even Windows crashes THAT often!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sevatio Octavio) on 04/15/2000 07:32:55 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Joe Reynolds/ISSC/Texas Utilities) Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Mohamed, What services do you have running while these things occur? Also, are you using Mandrake 7.0-2 ? seve -Original Message- From: Mohamed Saad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Now, the point is... I am NOT upset of all these crashes!! :) I am used to them from the old days of Windows! Windows taught me lots of things! when the system crashes, I just grin and coldly press the "Reset" button! The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) Thank you... Urs Mohamed Saad Note: All my hardware is supported under linux, in case u r wondering!! :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
I hate to say it (again), but this is absolutely correct. To gain widespread acceptance any Linux distribution *MUST* have a good browser, a good email package, and (oh no! here it comes!) support Winmodems, ... ugh, Linmodems! This is quite true, sadly. Kmail is great for my simple uses, but I know that many people would find it lacking and want outlook back. But there is some email client, whose name I just forgot, that is suposed to be quite similar to Outlook. But as of yet it's not far enough along to even be able to release any version yet. And Mozilla is promising on the browser front. I still like IE better, but Netscape 6 is a huge improvement over Netscape 4.7 for me. To expand on the modem idea, Linux also needs to get an AOL port too if it wants to get really really big. Of course, the kinds of people who use AOL aren't usuallly the kind of people who use Linux, at least right now. Anything short of this and it's a sideshow in the big market place. Sure, you'll get people like me stuffing it into server rooms to do all kinds of stuff. But we'll never tell the pointy haired boss. The one thing Linux needs to get accepted to the PHB is Office. Everyone and their mother uses that in business, and while there are programs to read and write .doc files, there just isn't anything better than actually having the original program to write and read with. And then they're all those inconsistancies with the other formats of the MS Office package. -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
[newbie] lots of crashes???
Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Now, the point is... I am NOT upset of all these crashes!! :) I am used to them from the old days of Windows! Windows taught me lots of things! when the system crashes, I just grin and coldly press the "Reset" button! The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) Thank you... Urs Mohamed Saad Note: All my hardware is supported under linux, in case u r wondering!! :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Mohamed, What services do you have running while these things occur? Also, are you using Mandrake 7.0-2 ? seve -Original Message- From: Mohamed Saad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Now, the point is... I am NOT upset of all these crashes!! :) I am used to them from the old days of Windows! Windows taught me lots of things! when the system crashes, I just grin and coldly press the "Reset" button! The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) Thank you... Urs Mohamed Saad Note: All my hardware is supported under linux, in case u r wondering!! :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Mohamed Saad wrote: Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) Wow..Windows crashes 3 times a day?? What are you doing with it?? I run Windows 98 in a business and leisure environment..I find if I give it a little TLC once a week (Clean out old folders, ditch any cached stuff I don't need, de-frag..all while I'm sleeping!!) it rarely gives me any problems. The only tim I get problems is when I've caused it by trying to make it do something it can't. I can't say anything about Linux yet..I'm still at the 'playing with it' stage..though I've noticed that Netscape does tend to like to hang around, even when you try and close it down!! Are there any options to Netscape for (decent) web browsing? I never liked Nutscrape..I came to the PC around the time IE4 hit the streets, and I've always found it a lot easier to use Cheers Andy
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Get the M14 milestone build of Mozilla from www.mozilla.org. It's much faster than Netscape and really pretty stable. Then if you're feeling really cool, download the Sullivan skin from www.mozillazine.org Woohoo! dave andy barnes wrote: snip Are there any options to Netscape for (decent) web browsing? I never liked Nutscrape..I came to the PC around the time IE4 hit the streets, and I've always found it a lot easier to use Cheers Andy
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Mohamed Saad wrote: well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! well that means your linux still worked and not crash. just one application crashed, it was X problem. KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" next time try to log from another console and kill the X. Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) try to reconfigure your X server. run Xconfigurator or XF86setup. make sure you choose properly The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) sure linux is ROCK solid. my school server runs with linux and it have 2 year uptime now. -- Rib During the voyage of life, remember to keep an eye out for a fair wind; batten down during a storm; hail all passing ships; and fly your colors proudly.
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Since it's the weekend, :o) rant on Linux is very stable and beats windows all over the place. But, until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. 90% of my usage is surfing the internet. IE 4 has problems, and 5 is worse, but Netscape dying at random is unacceptable. M14 sucks and Netscape 6, well, ain't much better. rant off And we thank you for your support.. Original Message Follows From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:50:30 +0700 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Mohamed Saad wrote: well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! well that means your linux still worked and not crash. just one application crashed, it was X problem. KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" next time try to log from another console and kill the X. Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) try to reconfigure your X server. run Xconfigurator or XF86setup. make sure you choose properly The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) sure linux is ROCK solid. my school server runs with linux and it have 2 year uptime now. -- Rib During the voyage of life, remember to keep an eye out for a fair wind; batten down during a storm; hail all passing ships; and fly your colors proudly. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Hi folks I lurk much of the time here but do have to comment on the Windows vs Linux debate. Couple comments/observations from our 4 systems at home and two at work: Use both Windows and Linux (Mandrake 7.0) extensively (I like Chevys AND Fords too) Never crash Windows 98 or NT - perform routine file maintenance and defrags Crash X-Windows and Netscape in Linux frequently Netscape really does suck do not like font selection in KDE/Linux but need to learn how to load new ones As far as productivity goes, I am much more productive with Windows for my type of work. I am an AutoCAD/GIS specialist, also do desktop publishing and web page design, and photography. Linux is very fun and I could use it all the time if it were up to par with the selection of programs available for Windows, font selection, and had a good CAD/GIS program. Lets keep an open mind here folks. Just my .02. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since it's the weekend, :o) rant on Linux is very stable and beats windows all over the place. But, until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. 90% of my usage is surfing the internet. IE 4 has problems, and 5 is worse, but Netscape dying at random is unacceptable. M14 sucks and Netscape 6, well, ain't much better. rant off And we thank you for your support.. Original Message Follows From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:50:30 +0700 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Mohamed Saad wrote: well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! well that means your linux still worked and not crash. just one application crashed, it was X problem. KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" next time try to log from another console and kill the X. Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) try to reconfigure your X server. run Xconfigurator or XF86setup. make sure you choose properly The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) sure linux is ROCK solid. my school server runs with linux and it have 2 year uptime now. -- Rib During the voyage of life, remember to keep an eye out for a fair wind; batten down during a storm; hail all passing ships; and fly your colors proudly. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
Well folks, I've had the opposite experience from most of you with Mandrake 7. I've yet to have it crash, which is not so with Win 98 SE. I have a new (three week old) Athlon 600 with 192 megs of memory and two 13.5 hd's Windows on the first, Linux on the second. A couple of things I have noticed. a. When I installed an ATI Rage Pro 128 AGP graphics card on the pc (a slower, Diamond Stealth PCI card came with it) Linux immediately picked up the card and formatted itself for the new graphic settings (a feature I understand is new with Mandrake 7). On the other hand, I am still trying to get Windows 98 to recognize the d card. It wants to set itself as a low resolution generic vga PCI graphics card and won't budge. b. The SETI program takes about 25 hours to run through an iteration on Windows 98, and just about 12 hours on Linux, even when I use the xseti graphics interface (which I don't really care for). c. After working on word processing, spreadsheet, web browsing and seti on Windows for about 12 hours my system memory is down to about 65% but I seem to have no such problem on Linux. d. Linux will only recognize the memory above 64 megs if I log in at Lilo with "Linux mem =192mb" -- even though I have added that line manually to the lilo.conf file. That seems strange (any suggestions?). I am yet to have a problem with Netscape 7 (though I had many with earlier versions), but I do agree that Linux will be of much more use when programs like Quicken and Turbo Tax are ported to it. However, I fear that (as much as I dislike Microsoft and Mr. Gates) we are just tasting what the rest of the PC world will taste if that company is broken up and there is no de facto standard OS. I am new to Linux but I remember the pre-microsoft days when there was Apple and dozens of CPM computers, each with their own flavor and disk format. It was pure H... getting software that would work on any given PC. A vendor might have the Kaypro version but not the Eagle version, and you couldn't read disks for another pc without an elaborate and expensive and not always dependable translation program. Hence, many companies didn't put out really good software until MS/PC DOS hit the market. All in all I really like Linux, but then my primary occupation is as a writer and the Star suite by Sun Microsystems is pretty adequate for that. Enough of MY opinion. Does anyone have a proposed fix for my memory recognition problem? Charles Wackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks I lurk much of the time here but do have to comment on the Windows vs Linux debate. Couple comments/observations from our 4 systems at home and two at work: Use both Windows and Linux (Mandrake 7.0) extensively (I like Chevys AND Fords too) Never crash Windows 98 or NT - perform routine file maintenance and defrags Crash X-Windows and Netscape in Linux frequently Netscape really does suck do not like font selection in KDE/Linux but need to learn how to load new ones As far as productivity goes, I am much more productive with Windows for my type of work. I am an AutoCAD/GIS specialist, also do desktop publishing and web page design, and photography. Linux is very fun and I could use it all the time if it were up to par with the selection of programs available for Windows, font selection, and had a good CAD/GIS program. Lets keep an open mind here folks. Just my .02. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since it's the weekend, :o) rant on Linux is very stable and beats windows all over the place. But, until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. 90% of my usage is surfing the internet. IE 4 has problems, and 5 is worse, but Netscape dying at random is unacceptable. M14 sucks and Netscape 6, well, ain't much better. rant off And we thank you for your support.. Original Message Follows From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:50:30 +0700 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Mohamed Saad wrote: well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! well that means your linux still worked and not crash. just one application crashed, it was X problem. KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" next time try to log from another console and kill the X. Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a
Re: [newbie] lots of crashes???
That's odd... I had the same problem w/ Netscape when I was using Mdk6.1 . But since going to 7.0-2Mdk, netscape has zapped only twice. And this timeline goes back to the day 7.0-2mdk was made available for download. Seve -Original Message- From: steve harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Since it's the weekend, :o) rant on Linux is very stable and beats windows all over the place. But, until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. 90% of my usage is surfing the internet. IE 4 has problems, and 5 is worse, but Netscape dying at random is unacceptable. M14 sucks and Netscape 6, well, ain't much better. rant off And we thank you for your support.. Original Message Follows From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] lots of crashes??? Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:50:30 +0700 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Mohamed Saad wrote: well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! well that means your linux still worked and not crash. just one application crashed, it was X problem. KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" next time try to log from another console and kill the X. Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) try to reconfigure your X server. run Xconfigurator or XF86setup. make sure you choose properly The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) sure linux is ROCK solid. my school server runs with linux and it have 2 year uptime now. -- Rib During the voyage of life, remember to keep an eye out for a fair wind; batten down during a storm; hail all passing ships; and fly your colors proudly. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Well folks, I've apparently had the opposite experience from most of you with Mandrake 7. I've yet to have it crash, which is not so with Win 98 Second Edition OEM version I have a new (three week old) Athlon 600 with 192 megs of memory and two 13.5 hd's Windows on the first, Linux on the second. A couple of things I have noticed. a. When I installed a ATI Rage Pro 128 AGP graphics card on the pc (a slower, Diamond Stealth PCI card came with it) Linux immediately picked up the card and formatted itself for the new graphic settings (a feature I understand is new with Mandrake 7). On the other hand, I am still trying to get Windows 98 to recognize the d card. Win 98 wants to set itself as a low resolution generic vga PCI graphics card and won't budge. b. The SETI program takes about 25 hours to run through an iteration on Windows 98, and just about 12 hours on Linux, even when I use the xseti graphics interface (which I don't really care for). c. After working on word processing, spreadsheet, web browsing and seti on Windows for about 12 hours my system memory is down to about 65% but I seem to have no such problem on Linux. d. Linux will only recognize the memory above 64 megs if I log in at Lilo with "Linux mem =192mb" -- even though I have added that line manually to the lilo.conf file. That seems strange (any suggestions?). I am yet to have a problem with Netscape 7 (though I had many with earlier versions), but I do agree that Linux will be of much more use when programs like Quicken and Turbo Tax are ported to it. However, I fear that (as much as I dislike Microsoft and Mr. Gates) we are just tasting what the rest of the PC world will taste if that company is broken up and there is no de facto standard OS. I am new to Linux but I remember the pre-microsoft days when there was Apple and dozens of CPM computers, each with their own flavor and disk format. It was pure H... getting software that would work on any given PC. A vendor might have the Kaypro version but not the Eagle version, and you couldn't read disks for another pc without an elaborate and expensive and not always dependable translation program. Hence, many companies didn't put out really good software until MS/PC DOS hit the market. All in all I really like Linux, but then my primary occupation is as a writer and the Star suite by Sun Microsystems is pretty adequate for that. Enough of MY opinion. Does anyone have a proposed fix for my memory recognition problem? Charles Wackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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First, let me tell you that I have several linux box at home, and that one of them is running for two months, without a reboot. And still I could say that it's running for one year, since the reboots are ONLY due to electricity failures or hardware upgrades!! You have to realize that your linux system REALLY rarely crashes. Your problems come from the applications you use under linux. And I'm sure that most (if not all) of your system hangs could have been resolved by telneting from another computer, and killing the faulty processes. But that beeing said, I must admit that I could not help you with your problems, as I don't use (and so don't know) KDE. In fact, I hate KDE. I'm sure it can help newbies, but it's an enourmous (and often useless) loss of system ressources and memory. And I already underwent problems such as yours. That's what made me give it up. Try to use enlightenment (or even windowmaker). I'm sure you will have a lot fewer problems with those ones. Mohamed Saad wrote: Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) Now, the point is... I am NOT upset of all these crashes!! :) I am used to them from the old days of Windows! Windows taught me lots of things! when the system crashes, I just grin and coldly press the "Reset" button! The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" I was just wondering!! :) Thank you... Urs Mohamed Saad Note: All my hardware is supported under linux, in case u r wondering!! :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
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rant on [...] until the Linux community gets this web browser "crap" resolved, to me, Linux ain't worth the CD it is shipped on. [...] rant off I hate to say it (again), but this is absolutely correct. To gain widespread acceptance any Linux distribution *MUST* have a good browser, a good email package, and (oh no! here it comes!) support Winmodems, ... ugh, Linmodems! Anything short of this and it's a sideshow in the big market place. Sure, you'll get people like me stuffing it into server rooms to do all kinds of stuff. But we'll never tell the pointy haired boss. Michael Linux user #162430 InterNIC handle MRB7 (Yeah, that's right. Number 7!)
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Mohamed Saad wrote: I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... It is -- when properly configured. What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) well... here are the crashes! KDE: I was opening 2 windows of Netscape. And suddenly, the whole system freezed! I just could move the mouse! but i can't do anything! I had to press ctrl+alt+backspace to log out! and it worked! KDE: I pressed Log Out, the screen turned black, and i couldn't Do any thing! i had to press "Reset" Xfce3: It was my first time to even see it! i just used it for 15 seconds!! :) i pressed the button with the penguin, and the whole system freezed!! I had to press "reset" It looks like your X server is crashing. This problem is with X, though I don't have the first idea where to look for a solution. I don't think the problem is with the Linux kernel. Did killing the X server fail? Gnome: I was just moving around... It suddenly made a GPF, and told me that this may be due to a bug, and they gave some email to report at! (this is not really serious, as it didn't really crash the system!) This is Gnome "crashing", not Linux. Gnome is not as stable as KDE. Now, the point is... I am NOT upset of all these crashes!! :) I am used to them from the old days of Windows! Windows taught me lots of things! when the system crashes, I just grin and coldly press the "Reset" button! Not a desirable thing if you are using the ext2 filesystem =( The point is... Why do people say that linux is "ROCK SOLID"?? it is NOT "rock solid"! It is just," more solid than Windows!" It is rock solid when configured properly. You shouldn't be experiencing this. Note: All my hardware is supported under linux, in case u r wondering!! :) So it all works? What is your hardware, by the way? -Stephen-
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andy barnes wrote: Mohamed Saad wrote: Hello everyone... I have installed Mandrake 7.0 a week ago... I just have a small question.. I heard things about Linux like "Rock Solid" and so... What i noted is that Mandrake 7.0 crashes just like Windows!!! Yes... Its crashes are much less than Windows! but.. It crashes!!! It crashed about 4 times this week!! (windows crashes at a rate of 3 times/day! so Linux is better!) Wow..Windows crashes 3 times a day?? What are you doing with it?? That's more common than you think. Windows has crashed with me with about that frequency since I "upgraded" to 98. Sometimes 5 times =) -Stephen-
