Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 2:00 am, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 16:14, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:55, Technoslick wrote: What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Just my two cents: I've always considered DHCP to be the lazy way out of a situation; that is, unless you've got a large corporate department with heaps of laptops and changing systems - otherwise, static IP's lend to better overall network accountability and security. I manage a corporate network of over 400 desktops, 50 laptops, 50 servers, 70 networked laser printers, 4 routers, 40+ switches, 3 firewalls, and 30+ virtual IP's for web servers and load balancers. All this started with a question about a lan of 5 pcs. A network such as you describe is a different animal altogether, and I'm not surprised that you find dhcp relevant here. For 5 desktop pcs, though, I still think static ip is better. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 12:10 pm, Saurav Gohain wrote: Hi, I have installed Mandrake 9.1 and is connected to a LAN that has both windows nt and linux machines. Using LIN , i can connect to the Linux machines and exchange files but I am unable to connect to the windows machine. In the lin neighbourhood, it shows the names but i couldn't make it through to enter and access the files. what could be the problem. furthermore, i am unable to connect to the net even though the gateway address to connect to the net is correct. There's more than one issue here, Saurav. First, we need to know a bit more about your lan. For a start, where is your gateway? I mean is it on your linux box, a windows machine, a server box, a router? Then, you need to get the network functioning properly. Print out the attached file - it should help you to find the problem. Once you can ping your machines correctly both by number and name, and run all the tests listed there, you are ready to configure samba. The easiest way to do that is through Webmin. If you don't have it installed, it's on your disks. Under ther Server tab you will find a section for configuring windows sharing. That should get you started. Let us know what happens. AnneIn some of the following tests I have commented alternative commands that seem to be needed with later versions of Samba. It appears that nmb -L is replaced by nmblookup. DIAGNOSING YOUR SAMBA SERVER This file contains a list of tests you can perform to validate your Samba server. It also tells you what the likely cause of the problem is if it fails any one of these steps. If it passes all these tests then it is probably working fine. You should do ALL the tests, in the order shown. I have tried to carefully choose them so later tests only use capabilities verified in the earlier tests. I would welcome additions to this set of tests. Please mail them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send me an email saying it doesn't work and you have not followed this test procedure then you should not be surprised if I ignore your email. ASSUMPTIONS --- In all of the tests I assume you have a Samba server called BIGSERVER and a PC called ACLIENT. I also assume the PC is running windows for workgroups with a recent copy of the microsoft tcp/ip stack. The procedure is similar for other types of clients. I also assume you know the name of a available share in your smb_conf. I will assume this share is called tmp. You can add a tmp share like by adding the following to smb_conf: [tmp] comment = temporary files path = /tmp read only = yes These tests also assume version 1.9.14 or later of the samba suite. If you have version 1.9.13 then see NOTE 1 below. TEST 1: --- run the command testparm. If it reports any errors then your smb_conf configuration file is faulty. TEST 2: --- run the command ping BIGSERVER from the PC and ping ACLIENT from the unix box. If you don't get a valid response then your TCP/IP software is not correctly installed. Note that you will need to start a dos prompt window on the PC to run ping. If you get a message saying host not found or similar then your DNS software or /etc/hosts file is not correctly setup. It is possible to run samba without DNS entries for the server and client, but I assume you do have correct entries for the remainder of these tests. TEST 3: --- run the command smbclient -L BIGSERVER -U% on the unix box. You should get a list of available shares back. If you get a error message containing the string Bad password then you probably have either an incorrect hosts allow, hosts deny or valid users line in your smb_conf, or your guest account is not valid. Check what your guest account is using testparm and temporarily remove any hosts allow, hosts deny, valid users or invalid users lines. If you get a connection refused response then the smbd server could not be run. If you installed it in inetd.conf then you probably edited that file incorrectly. If you installed it as a daemon then check that it is running, and check that the netbios-ssn port is in a LISTEN state using netstat -a. TEST 4: ; try nmblookup -B BIGSERVER __SAMBA__ --- run the command nmbd -L __SAMBA__ -B BIGSERVER. You should get a bunch of info back including the string got a positive name query response. You should also see a message got a positive node status response and below that a list of netbios names. The name BIGSERVER should be included in that list. If you don't then nmbd is incorrectly installed. Check your inetd.conf if you run it from there, or that the daemon is running and listening to udp port 137. One common problem is that many inetd implementations can't take many parameters on the command line. If this is the case then create a one-line script that contains the right parameters and run that from inetd. TEST 5: ; try nmblookup -B ACLIENT --- run the command nmbd -L '*' -B
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sunday 15 June 2003 01:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:16:46 +0100 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have always used static addressing because I have never been able to work out how clients can be addressed by hostname when there is no fstab entry. Surely the DNS server has to be made aware of the dhcp clients so it can resolve hostnames for other clients. Hmmm, that's a good question, in Windows we had that NetBIOS thing that would automatically resolve hostnames to IPs. I've never had a problem calling other hosts on my LAN by name though, but that's probably because Samba takes care of it. Guys, I'm confused now. Are you saying you can't (for example) ping by name a computer on your LAN? I can hereI can do: ping darkforce ping darkforce2 ping darkforce3 and it works fine. I don't have to do the IP address. PS and what does fstab have to do with it? -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:17:09 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ping darkforce ping darkforce2 ping darkforce3 and it works fine. I don't have to do the IP address. well, you've got to have some way of resolving IP to hostname. I haven't delved into it too much in Linux, but I believe Samba takes care of that. Correct me if I am wrong. I also can ping by name or IP, though I have no DNS (which I believe actually has nothing to do with it, that's for FQDN, ie. internet, not LAN) server running. PS and what does fstab have to do with it? The only time fstab should enter into it, IIRC, is if you want to mount network shares at startup, and I have never had anything but headaches doing that. Much easier just to create a mountscript...boom, yer mounted, with one click or keystroke. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 08:52:00 up 1 day, 9:31, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 1:17 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 01:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:16:46 +0100 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have always used static addressing because I have never been able to work out how clients can be addressed by hostname when there is no fstab entry. Surely the DNS server has to be made aware of the dhcp clients so it can resolve hostnames for other clients. Hmmm, that's a good question, in Windows we had that NetBIOS thing that would automatically resolve hostnames to IPs. I've never had a problem calling other hosts on my LAN by name though, but that's probably because Samba takes care of it. Guys, I'm confused now. Are you saying you can't (for example) ping by name a computer on your LAN? I can hereI can do: ping darkforce ping darkforce2 ping darkforce3 and it works fine. I don't have to do the IP address. PS and what does fstab have to do with it? Well assuming you are using Dhcp then how are you managing to resolve the hostnames? When you ask to ping a host your system will first go to /etc/hosts to see if there is an entry there (that was a mistake in my original post. I said fstab by mistake) if there is no entry in hosts, it will go and ask the DNS server. If you are using your ISPs DNS server, there is no way it is going to know about clients on your local net. If you use your own DNS server (like I use djbdns) then there has to be some method for the dhcp server to tell the DNS server when an address has been assigned. If you have a router assigning IP addresses then the router might be able to tell you, but I have no router so my question is how can I get my linux gateway to resolve them? derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 08:57 am, JoeHill wrote: well, you've got to have some way of resolving IP to hostname. I haven't delved into it too much in Linux, but I believe Samba takes care of that. Correct me if I am wrong. I also can ping by name or IP, though I have no DNS (which I believe actually has nothing to do with it, that's for FQDN, ie. internet, not LAN) server running. Oh, I beg your pardon Joe, I didn't see where you guys were talking about Samba use - I thought you meant just between 'Nix boxes. :-) I always put the IP address of each machine with an alias in /etc/hosts. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 1:57 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:17:09 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ping darkforce ping darkforce2 ping darkforce3 and it works fine. I don't have to do the IP address. well, you've got to have some way of resolving IP to hostname. I haven't delved into it too much in Linux, but I believe Samba takes care of that. Correct me if I am wrong. I also can ping by name or IP, though I have no DNS (which I believe actually has nothing to do with it, that's for FQDN, ie. internet, not LAN) server running. So when Ronald pings darkforce2, how do you think it knows which box to find? There has to be a name server somewhere. Mine is on my router, but it could just as well be on this box. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 09:37 am, Anne Wilson wrote: So when Ronald pings darkforce2, how do you think it knows which box to find? There has to be a name server somewhere. Mine is on my router, but it could just as well be on this box. Anne I do have my machines IP addressess in /etc/hosts with aliases. Also, I am using a Dlink router since I got broadband. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:51:54 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Oh, I beg your pardon Joe, I didn't see where you guys were talking about Samba use - I thought you meant just between 'Nix boxes. :-) Samba *was* *nix last time I checked... ;) it is just as useful without Win boxes on your LAN, in fact many people recommend it over NFS for file sharing between Linux boxes. I always put the IP address of each machine with an alias in /etc/hosts. ya, that's the true geek method! -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel? + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution + comes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 09:37 am, Derek Jennings wrote: Well assuming you are using Dhcp then how are you managing to resolve the hostnames? When you ask to ping a host your system will first go to /etc/hosts to see if there is an entry there (that was a mistake in my original post. I said fstab by mistake) if there is no entry in hosts, it will go and ask the DNS server. Thats the ticket, I do have IP addressess/aliases in my /etc/hosts file. Here it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]$ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.100 darkforce.ky.org darkforce 192.168.0.101 darkforce2.ky.org darkforce2 192.168.0.102 darkforce3.ky.org darkforce3 If you have a router assigning IP addresses then the router might be able to tell you, but I have no router so my question is how can I get my linux gateway to resolve them? derek I also do have a Dlink router since I got broadband... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:37:36 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: So when Ronald pings darkforce2, how do you think it knows which box to find? There has to be a name server somewhere. Mine is on my router, but it could just as well be on this box. He answered above, you edit your /etc/hosts file. That's pretty much all a nameserver does anyway, is keep a text record, though it can be dynamic. -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel? + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution + comes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 2:59 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 09:37 am, Anne Wilson wrote: So when Ronald pings darkforce2, how do you think it knows which box to find? There has to be a name server somewhere. Mine is on my router, but it could just as well be on this box. Anne I do have my machines IP addressess in /etc/hosts with aliases. I guessed that, Ronald. I was just pointing out that linux may be good, but it's not psychic. g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:07:00 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: but it's not psychic. That's supposed to be implemented in Kernel 2.6... -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel? + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution + comes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 Jun 2003 2:51 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 08:57 am, JoeHill wrote: well, you've got to have some way of resolving IP to hostname. I haven't delved into it too much in Linux, but I believe Samba takes care of that. Correct me if I am wrong. I also can ping by name or IP, though I have no DNS (which I believe actually has nothing to do with it, that's for FQDN, ie. internet, not LAN) server running. Oh, I beg your pardon Joe, I didn't see where you guys were talking about Samba use - I thought you meant just between 'Nix boxes. :-) I always put the IP address of each machine with an alias in /etc/hosts. We were talking about Dhcp. Samba will resolve NETBIOS names for you which is entirely a different thing. By putting the names/adrresses in /etc/hosts you are using static addressing. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:12:18 +0100 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Samba will resolve NETBIOS names so my wild guess was correct! woot! It's kinda like a WINS server then, except it works most of the time... -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel? + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution + comes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 10:12 am, Derek Jennings wrote: We were talking about Dhcp. Samba will resolve NETBIOS names for you which is entirely a different thing. By putting the names/adrresses in /etc/hosts you are using static addressing. derek So was I. I guess I don't understand the mechanics too well but what I did was set DHCP to auto assign IP addressess to my 3 comps (via the Mandrake Wizard). It gave them: 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.101 192.168.0.102 So...then I took these numbers assigned by DHCP and put them into /etc/hosts so that we could ping each other by alias instead of having to type in the full quad number. Did I do a no-no? :-) It all seems to work really well. We all have broadband connections, we can all ping each other by hostname, and games that never would find each other before now do... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 12:31, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 10:12 am, Derek Jennings wrote: We were talking about Dhcp. Samba will resolve NETBIOS names for you which is entirely a different thing. By putting the names/adrresses in /etc/hosts you are using static addressing. derek So was I. I guess I don't understand the mechanics too well but what I did was set DHCP to auto assign IP addressess to my 3 comps (via the Mandrake Wizard). It gave them: 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.101 192.168.0.102 So...then I took these numbers assigned by DHCP and put them into /etc/hosts so that we could ping each other by alias instead of having to type in the full quad number. Did I do a no-no? :-) Technically..Yes. The only reason it is working is that your router has not ended any leases. With routers that have DHCP capability, I believe you can tell all of them (you can with Linksys and D-Link) to never terminate a lease. In essence, you have statically assigned addresses, with one nice catch. This catch refers to Derek's question about how can DHCP alone resolve internal names. Because the router it providing DHCP, it also keeps a table of who has what. When a machine pings an IP, it broadcasting it over the whole network to every device. I believe the DHCP router accepts this request, looks up the assignment in its table and sends back the information in the form of another broadcast. Anyway, if your router is set to never release a lease, you don't need the hosts files setup as you do. Id the leases change, you will some day be in name-resolution hell. On a M$ NT server, WINS provides the local names resolution. I believe BIND does that in Linux. The Samba server has it's own version of a WINS and uses it. Win 9.x clients can actually derive DNS through DHCP, but I don't believe they can get local resolution. It all seems to work really well. We all have broadband connections, we can all ping each other by hostname, and games that never would find each other before now do... T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 09:37, Derek Jennings wrote: snip Well assuming you are using Dhcp then how are you managing to resolve the hostnames? I believe it can't. I think that BIND, or some flavor similar, does that. When you ask to ping a host your system will first go to /etc/hosts to see if there is an entry there (that was a mistake in my original post. I said fstab by mistake) if there is no entry in hosts, it will go and ask the DNS server. If you look at the choices you have, it's 'hosts', 'dns' and 'bind'. DNS is always outside, it only deals with FQDN's. BIND, if I understand correctly, is the counterpart to WINS in M$land. If you are using your ISPs DNS server, there is no way it is going to know about clients on your local net. If you use your own DNS server (like I use djbdns) then there has to be some method for the dhcp server to tell the DNS server when an address has been assigned. I don't think they talk to each other. DHCP is aggressive, though it will allow a static IP to exist without being told to. It works with a table of inclusions and exclusions as well as the range to give out. Doesn't BIND also want the same ranges? Either way, I think BIND and WINS are passive compared to DHCP where assignments go. That has to be the case because they should be run concurrently and they couldn't it they bumped heads. If you have a router assigning IP addresses then the router might be able to tell you, but I have no router so my question is how can I get my linux gateway to resolve them? The router/gateway/firewall device does because it is expected to. Technically, it becomes several devices and servers in one. Setting up DHCP on a server using software is only part of the total services needed. This is why I stayed away from it on my server. I didn't want my measly little P233 be a Samba file server, email server, DHCP server, BINDS server, and so on and so on. Damn thing would poop out on me in no time! Local names resolution And...more important to me, getting DHCP and BIND set-up correctly required some careful thinking. I'm always forgetting as to whether static devices should be numbered outside the DHCP range or inside with an exclusion. ARGH! I still have to mess around with hosts/lmhosts files for statically addressed devices, so it doesn't make sense for me. Someday, but for my little LAN, static works fine right now. I would statically assign any small network now that I am using mixed platforms.. T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 01:25 pm, Technoslick wrote: Technically..Yes. The only reason it is working is that your router has not ended any leases. With routers that have DHCP capability, I believe you can tell all of them (you can with Linksys and D-Link) to never terminate a lease. In essence, you have statically assigned addresses, with one nice catch. This catch refers to Derek's question about how can DHCP alone resolve internal names. Because the router it providing DHCP, it also keeps a table of who has what. When a machine pings an IP, it broadcasting it over the whole network to every device. I believe the DHCP router accepts this request, looks up the assignment in its table and sends back the information in the form of another broadcast. Anyway, if your router is set to never release a lease, you don't need the hosts files setup as you do. Id the leases change, you will some day be in name-resolution hell. Thanks for the detailed explanation! One other point to consider, I've set the IP range that the router assigns to only cover these 3 IP addresses. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 8:25 pm, Technoslick wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:24, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Some advantages: 1) Great for anyone who periodically inserts temporary clients into their network. (i.e.: service techs, fast-moving families with teenage kids..) 2) Large networks where manually adding entries to all the 'hosts'/'lmhosts' files would be a PITA, especially if clients are transient and variable. 3) Once setup properly, it does make the process pretty mindless on the admin's part. No fuss, no muss. 4) With a router/gateway DHCP server, simple to setup. K.I.S.S. principal, at its best. Some disadvantages: 1) Slight loss of control in assigning devices. Not all networked devices appreciate or can accept DHCP assignment, causing you to interject static addressing and 'hosts'/'lmhosts' usage into the network, anyway. 2) Relying on the DHCP server (which can be a router/gateway device) to manage not only the IP addresses, but in most cases DNS) can be noticeably slower in resolving names. 3) DHCP sometimes gets 'stuck' and will cause IP conflicts. Depends on the device providing DHCP as to whether this happens often or at all. I've had problems both in software and hardware driven DHCP servers. 4) Your client is SOOL if the DHCP server goes down. No IP, no network. With static assigning, as long as two devices work, you have a working network. 5) Can be tricky to setup properly. Mistakes made do not always readily show themselves, making troubleshooting a pain at times, especially if other servers/services are relying upon its accuracy to achieve their programming goals for the network. I could go on, probably, and others could add or argue for/against based on their own experiences. For me, I like things to stay put. Static does that. I prefer DHCP because I don't want to have to bother with it. Right now, my network is setup for static because it seems to be fool- proof and I don't have any more than a dozen clients/devices that need to be IP addressed. Any temp systems added are manually addressed outside the tight range of my permanent network. I don't have conflicts. And when I need to step back and think about where everything is in my setup...even my feeble mind can remember the IP address of anything on the network. :0) Thanks for the detailed reply. I have following machines. machine hostnameIP OS machine 1 dgmcel566 192.168.16.3Winme machine 1 dgmcellnx 192.168.16.31 MDK91 machine 2 pa 192.168.16.2win98 machine 2 palnx 192.168.16.21 MDK91 machine 3 hclnewpc192.168.16.50 win98 machine 3 hclpclnx192.168.16.51 MDK91 machine 4 meconvpt192.168.16.4MDK91 machine 5 meconvpt192.168.16.16 win98 machine 1 and 2 are having modems separately to connect to dialup a/c. Any machine can be off any time. Under this setup, after reading all the mails I feel static IPs are better. any comments? -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Monday 16 June 2003 11:44 pm, Technoslick wrote: I bought an Epson C82 earlier in the year but found I couldn't get it to network properly off of my Intel print server. I ended up giving it to my wife as a direct printer to her computer. Bought me some points, if nothing else. ;0) It's a nice printer, nonetheless. laughing Yes, we must ensure domestic tranquility eh? :-) Yes. Sounds like the setting in your router is to keep lease assignments indefinitely. I think that was the way mine was by default. BTW, one of the undesirable aspects of the D-Link DI-701 was the way you could program it. Instead of a nice and easy Web access, you had to either use their Windows software on a PC directly connected to it via serial cable, or telnet into it through the cable. What a pain in the ass that was. Has this changed with your model? T That definitely has changed. Now, using any browser under Linux, (I usually use Mozilla) you log onto the Dlinks assigned IP address, enter a password and bingo, everything is configurable via HTML pages. Nice and easy. I already setup 2 new rules under filters so I can turn my 12 and 9 year olds comps 'Net access off at will, still leaving the LAN stuff going for them. This is for when they are home and I'm not. Not that I don't trust them. grin BTW, this Dlinks' model number is DI-604. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 00:07, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 11:44 pm, Technoslick wrote: I bought an Epson C82 earlier in the year but found I couldn't get it to network properly off of my Intel print server. I ended up giving it to my wife as a direct printer to her computer. Bought me some points, if nothing else. ;0) It's a nice printer, nonetheless. laughing Yes, we must ensure domestic tranquility eh? :-) It as either that or admit to her that I wasted nearly $200 on a color printer I couldn't use. :0] Yes. Sounds like the setting in your router is to keep lease assignments indefinitely. I think that was the way mine was by default. BTW, one of the undesirable aspects of the D-Link DI-701 was the way you could program it. Instead of a nice and easy Web access, you had to either use their Windows software on a PC directly connected to it via serial cable, or telnet into it through the cable. What a pain in the ass that was. Has this changed with your model? T That definitely has changed. Now, using any browser under Linux, (I usually use Mozilla) you log onto the Dlinks assigned IP address, enter a password and bingo, everything is configurable via HTML pages. They must have learned from the competition, as well as their customers. The old way was very kludge. Nice and easy. I already setup 2 new rules under filters so I can turn my 12 and 9 year olds comps 'Net access off at will, still leaving the LAN stuff going for them. This is for when they are home and I'm not. Not that I don't trust them. grin That's a great idea. I probably have such nifty features on mine, too, but have no real need to investigate. My youngest is home for the summer, after her first year of college. I have more of a problem getting her to turn her PC off when she leaves the house. You'd think she was paying for the electricity around here. Not that I don't waste a little myself, running a server all day and up to three workstations and my laptop. When my wife's is on hers, too, I swear we can hear the utility meter outside whirling so fast with the juice-use. ;0) BTW, this Dlinks' model number is DI-604. I'll have to take a look at their site some time and read up on their specs. Yours doesn't sound like a low line model. T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 12:27 am, Technoslick wrote: It as either that or admit to her that I wasted nearly $200 on a color printer I couldn't use. :0] :-) They must have learned from the competition, as well as their customers. The old way was very kludge. Sounds like it! That's a great idea. I probably have such nifty features on mine, too, but have no real need to investigate. My youngest is home for the summer, after her first year of college. I have more of a problem getting her to turn her PC off when she leaves the house. You'd think she was paying for the electricity around here. Not that I don't waste a little myself, running a server all day and up to three workstations and my laptop. When my wife's is on hers, too, I swear we can hear the utility meter outside whirling so fast with the juice-use. ;0) Hehehe, my wife says that when she hits the (front) door that her hair starts standing on end (static). grin BTW, this Dlinks' model number is DI-604. I'll have to take a look at their site some time and read up on their specs. Yours doesn't sound like a low line model. T I don't know for sure. It cost me $69 which I didn't think was too unreasonable. It replaced my old Linksys hub, gives broadband to every comp in the house and does that hardware firewall thing. I had a friend of mine meet me in ICQ where he grabbed my IP address and tried to nmap me. He said that Nmap reported I wasn't there. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:41:31 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Not that I don't waste a little myself, running a server all day and up to three workstations and my laptop. When my wife's is on hers, too, I swear we can hear the utility meter outside whirling so fast with the juice-use. ;0) I love to just sit there and watch it, esp when the central air is on as well. You could carve roast beef with that thing! Wh! -- + Joe Hill + Registered Linux user #282046 + Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net + People say Linux is ugly. How does that make you feel? + Torvalds: They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution + comes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 3:24 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. If advantages exist, I've not come across them. I prefer the control of fixed ips (my lan is similar size to yours). For large lans, of course, it may well be different, since resources can be allocated according to who is around at the time. But for us? I can't see it. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
Well, everything works alright now :) I boot mandrake with noapic, and acpi=off, and now everything works. Yay! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Myers Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:48 am, Nathan Coad wrote: It's not the router that's the problem. All the other (admittedly windows) computers work fine, get ip addresses, resolve dns names, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. Did you check and make sure that the firewall was not activated by default. You can check it in MCC. (Mandrake Control Center). Look at securityand then firewall if firewall shows that it is running check the box for allow everything, and then see if you can access. If you get on the internet, then I believe you can go back and uncheck the allow everything and the firewall will come back up but now it should not block access. HTH Dennis M. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:24, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Some advantages: 1) Great for anyone who periodically inserts temporary clients into their network. (i.e.: service techs, fast-moving families with teenage kids..) 2) Large networks where manually adding entries to all the 'hosts'/'lmhosts' files would be a PITA, especially if clients are transient and variable. 3) Once setup properly, it does make the process pretty mindless on the admin's part. No fuss, no muss. 4) With a router/gateway DHCP server, simple to setup. K.I.S.S. principal, at its best. Some disadvantages: 1) Slight loss of control in assigning devices. Not all networked devices appreciate or can accept DHCP assignment, causing you to interject static addressing and 'hosts'/'lmhosts' usage into the network, anyway. 2) Relying on the DHCP server (which can be a router/gateway device) to manage not only the IP addresses, but in most cases DNS) can be noticeably slower in resolving names. 3) DHCP sometimes gets 'stuck' and will cause IP conflicts. Depends on the device providing DHCP as to whether this happens often or at all. I've had problems both in software and hardware driven DHCP servers. 4) Your client is SOOL if the DHCP server goes down. No IP, no network. With static assigning, as long as two devices work, you have a working network. 5) Can be tricky to setup properly. Mistakes made do not always readily show themselves, making troubleshooting a pain at times, especially if other servers/services are relying upon its accuracy to achieve their programming goals for the network. I could go on, probably, and others could add or argue for/against based on their own experiences. For me, I like things to stay put. Static does that. I prefer DHCP because I don't want to have to bother with it. Right now, my network is setup for static because it seems to be fool- proof and I don't have any more than a dozen clients/devices that need to be IP addressed. Any temp systems added are manually addressed outside the tight range of my permanent network. I don't have conflicts. And when I need to step back and think about where everything is in my setup...even my feeble mind can remember the IP address of anything on the network. :0) HTH T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 05:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 3:24 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. If advantages exist, I've not come across them. I prefer the control of fixed ips (my lan is similar size to yours). For large lans, of course, it may well be different, since resources can be allocated according to who is around at the time. But for us? I can't see it. Anne __ One advantage for using DHCP on a home network is if you have a laptop. You don't have fool around with redoing the network settings for each network... -- If it's not on fire, it's a software problem. Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cfs-tech.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:06 -0400 Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: And when I need to step back and think about where everything is in my setup...even my feeble mind can remember the IP address of anything on the network. :0) Most DHCP servers will let you bind IPs to MAC address for more permanent hosts as well! Best of both worlds, I love DHCP. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 11:48:04 up 12:27, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:06 -0400 Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: And when I need to step back and think about where everything is in my setup...even my feeble mind can remember the IP address of anything on the network. :0) Most DHCP servers will let you bind IPs to MAC address for more permanent hosts as well! Best of both worlds, I love DHCP. You actually *remember* the MAC addresses of your NIC's, Joe? You ARE good! :0D T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 3:55 pm, Technoslick wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:24, L.V.Gandhi wrote: On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Some advantages: 1) Great for anyone who periodically inserts temporary clients into their network. (i.e.: service techs, fast-moving families with teenage kids..) 2) Large networks where manually adding entries to all the 'hosts'/'lmhosts' files would be a PITA, especially if clients are transient and variable. 3) Once setup properly, it does make the process pretty mindless on the admin's part. No fuss, no muss. 4) With a router/gateway DHCP server, simple to setup. K.I.S.S. principal, at its best. I have always used static addressing because I have never been able to work out how clients can be addressed by hostname when there is no fstab entry. Surely the DNS server has to be made aware of the dhcp clients so it can resolve hostnames for other clients. If there is an easy way of doing it (with djbdns server) then I would be interested to learn. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 10:55 am, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 05:07, Anne Wilson wrote: One advantage for using DHCP on a home network is if you have a laptop. You don't have fool around with redoing the network settings for each network... Accepted. A little while ago we had a laptop that was intermittently on the lan. At that time I used fixed ip for all the others but requested an ip from the router for that one. Then I remembered that she was using it as a stand alone when not on our lan, so she didn't need multiple ips, and I changed her to static. For laptops that join more than one lan, I would have thought it was essential to have dhcp. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:55, Technoslick wrote: What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Just my two cents: I've always considered DHCP to be the lazy way out of a situation; that is, unless you've got a large corporate department with heaps of laptops and changing systems - otherwise, static IP's lend to better overall network accountability and security. In having static IP's for a controlled environment, you can literally account for every packet on the network without heaps of investigation and digging through logfiles. K.I.S.S. - and better overall network performance - especially with a mixture of OS's and hardware. Once again, just my two cents. -- Mon Jun 16 07:10:00 EST 2003 07:10:00 up 2 days, 14:24, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.14, 0.16 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * One man's folly is another man's wife. -- Helen Rowland Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
At 11:24 AM 6/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: snip It is showing eth0 as having a virtual interface eth0:9 associated with it which has been assigned the ip address 169.252.233.128. But didn't you say your Router assigns addresses in the 10.10.10.0 range? Is the 169.252.x.x network anything to do with your ISP? Can you ping 169.254.233.128 ? Is this what it shows after a reboot? What is it like if you do 'service network restart' in a root terminal? And finally are there any other config files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts which could be affecting it? derek my ISP assigns 169.*'s as out of range IP addresses. Meaning nothing can / is connecting to that IP... so its a dead addy. It gives them troubleshooting info by telling them an errors occurred. I don't know if that is a standard in Net addressing but you may want to look into that or if someone on the list knows.. ? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 16:14, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:55, Technoslick wrote: What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. Just my two cents: I've always considered DHCP to be the lazy way out of a situation; that is, unless you've got a large corporate department with heaps of laptops and changing systems - otherwise, static IP's lend to better overall network accountability and security. I manage a corporate network of over 400 desktops, 50 laptops, 50 servers, 70 networked laser printers, 4 routers, 40+ switches, 3 firewalls, and 30+ virtual IP's for web servers and load balancers. All of the desktops and laptops use DHCP, the rest of the devices have static addresses. I use a spreadsheet to keep track of the static addresses, and even with the DHCP server handling the users desktops and laptops, the spreadsheet contains over 200 ip addresses. If I didn't use DHCP it would be over 600 addresses... In having static IP's for a controlled environment, you can literally account for every packet on the network without heaps of investigation and digging through logfiles. The DHCP server I use (not Microsoft's) maintains a database of every ip address. I only have to look at that database to find out which ip address goes with which machine. That aside let me give you another good reason to use dhcp. We installed a new firewall recently, but needed to keep the old one in place until all the web servers, citrix servers and mail servers could be reconfigured. DHCP allowed me to change the default gateway for all the users computers without having to visit everyone of them and manually change the gateway. K.I.S.S. - and better overall network performance - especially with a mixture of OS's and hardware. I agree with K.I.S.S. The DHCP fits the bill. Trying to manually maintain 600+ ip addresses would not be simple... -- Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
It's not the router that's the problem. All the other (admittedly windows) computers work fine, get ip addresses, resolve dns names, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan IMO using Netconf is a bad idea. The Mandrake networking wizard sets up everything your system needs. I suggest you backup your existing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and replace it with this :- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes PEERDNS=yes That should be all you need for a simple DHCP installation. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
I forgot to mention, but the network is setup up as an active directory (microsoft) domain. Will this make any difference? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Jennings Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 5:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan IMO using Netconf is a bad idea. The Mandrake networking wizard sets up everything your system needs. I suggest you backup your existing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and replace it with this :- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes PEERDNS=yes That should be all you need for a simple DHCP installation. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 8:41 am, Nathan Coad wrote: I forgot to mention, but the network is setup up as an active directory (microsoft) domain. Will this make any difference? SNIP No. That has nothing to do with IP address assignment. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
Well, I have followed ur advice, Derek. This is now the result of running the ifconfig command: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:ED:69:AB:33 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:17 Base address:0x4000 eth0:9Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:ED:69:AB:33 inet addr:169.254.233.128 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:17 Base address:0x4000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:151 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:151 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:11134 (10.8 Kb) TX bytes:11134 (10.8 Kb) When I try and ping an ip address, I receive the error message connect: Network is unreachable which is perfectly reasonable, seeing as how I don't seem to have an ip address. Also, another thing - the interrupt is here listed as 17, whereas on startup (before lilo), the network interface is listed as being irq 11, which I imagine would have a bearing on the matter. Thanks, Nathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Jennings Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 5:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan IMO using Netconf is a bad idea. The Mandrake networking wizard sets up everything your system needs. I suggest you backup your existing /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and replace it with this :- DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes PEERDNS=yes That should be all you need for a simple DHCP installation. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 10:04 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Well, I have followed ur advice, Derek. This is now the result of running the ifconfig command: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:ED:69:AB:33 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:17 Base address:0x4000 eth0:9Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:ED:69:AB:33 inet addr:169.254.233.128 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:17 Base address:0x4000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:151 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:151 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:11134 (10.8 Kb) TX bytes:11134 (10.8 Kb) When I try and ping an ip address, I receive the error message connect: Network is unreachable which is perfectly reasonable, seeing as how I don't seem to have an ip address. Also, another thing - the interrupt is here listed as 17, whereas on startup (before lilo), the network interface is listed as being irq 11, which I imagine would have a bearing on the matter. Thanks, Nathan It is showing eth0 as having a virtual interface eth0:9 associated with it which has been assigned the ip address 169.252.233.128. But didn't you say your Router assigns addresses in the 10.10.10.0 range? Is the 169.252.x.x network anything to do with your ISP? Can you ping 169.254.233.128 ? Is this what it shows after a reboot? What is it like if you do 'service network restart' in a root terminal? And finally are there any other config files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts which could be affecting it? derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. Did you try booting with the noapic parameter? The magic fix for many network and usb problems of this type. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
Yep, I've tried that -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Meyer Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. Did you try booting with the noapic parameter? The magic fix for many network and usb problems of this type. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:48 am, Nathan Coad wrote: It's not the router that's the problem. All the other (admittedly windows) computers work fine, get ip addresses, resolve dns names, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems On Saturday 14 June 2003 02:06 am, Nathan Coad wrote: Hi all, Ive just installed mandrake 9.1 as a dual boot system with windows 2000. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8smilh, with onboard lan (realtek chipset RTL8101L). Mandrake works fine with everything except for LAN. I have a link light on the rj45 socket, so everything seems alright there. Where my problem is, is with pinging (or anything else) else computers on my network. We have a home network with a dlink router running dhcp, and a win2k server running dns. I initially set networking settings under mandrake to dhcp, but no ip address was assigned. Instead, on startup, eth0 assigned itself an ip address in the 192.168 (I think) range, instead of the 10.0.0.0 range setup on the network. Ive tried dhcp or static ip addressing, but no luck. Ive been using the netconf utility under kde Has anyone else had the same problems, or perhaps have some suggestions as to what to do? My /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 currently is: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=static BROADCAST=10.98.230.255 IPADDR=10.98.230.5 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=yes IPXNETNUM_802_2= IPXPRIMARY_802_2=no IPXACTIVE_802_2=no IPXNETNUM_802_3= IPXPRIMARY_802_3=no IPXACTIVE_802_3=no IPXNETNUM_ETHERII= IPXPRIMARY_ETHERII=no IPXACTIVE_ETHERII=no IPXNETNUM_SNAP= IPXPRIMARY_SNAP=no IPXACTIVE_SNAP=no I really dont know where all those ipx settings came from I dont use IPX. Anyways, thanks in advance, Nathan DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. Did you check and make sure that the firewall was not activated by default. You can check it in MCC. (Mandrake Control Center). Look at securityand then firewall if firewall shows that it is running check the box for allow everything, and then see if you can access. If you get on the internet, then I believe you can go back and uncheck the allow everything and the firewall will come back up but now it should not block access. HTH Dennis M. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:16 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: DId you logon to your router and adjust things there? I've got a Dlink router and it let me assign the range of IP addresses to be used for my 3 comp LAN. I'm using DHCP here and it works fine. What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] madrake 9.1 network problems
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:54:43 +0530 L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: What are the advantages of using dhcp for such small network of three computers. Kindly explain. I have fixed ips for my LAN of 5 PCs. From the little I know, DHCP does more than just assign IPs. It also tells the machines the gateway address and where to find other resources. Just less to configure on the hosts on the LAN, especially for us newbs! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 22:47:23 up 11 days, 20:51, 7 users, load average: 11.00, 11.00, 10.91 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
