Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Thursday 24 Jul 2003 11:53 pm, Robin Turner wrote: Todd Slater wrote: Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is when the talk turns political and controversial? The reason I jumped in to this particular thread was because I was not prepared to let Anne be abused without saying something. There is nothing as impotent as a list at such times, nevertheless to sit by and say nothing would have been both unacceptable and shaming. As for the original flames I wrote twice, off-list, to the poster being abusive but, when the flames were directed publicly at a member of the list who is unfailingly courteous and attempts to help anyone with a problem... As I say it's an impotent action really, nevertheless the opinion MUST be posted. Arguments that the flames should be allowed to die only allow the flamer to assume that his, or her behaviour, is acceptable in public company. regards Daryl -- The Arkansas legislature passed a law that states that the Arkansas River can rise no higher than to the Main Street bridge in Little Rock. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:00, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: Carroll, You MISSED the point! The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people (versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it) It seems odd to me that you could miss such an obvious point, as just the fact that OT topics come up on a newbie list shows we are dealing with real people, not robots:) Keith In most businesses these days, worker bees have certian rules regarding wasting company time with personal business including phone time. while you may not like considering yourself a robot, for the most part, our creative side must be controlled and our robot (or working) sides used. _This_ list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is run for business purpose's, and while almost no business would chase a customer that was chatting in the lobby (or hanging out in the OT lists) away, they might escort him to a different area than the welding production area of the manufacturing portion of plant (the equivalent of cooker, and to a less extent all the lists [EMAIL PROTECTED], imho). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does not go on this list. The owners of the servers supporting this list, I am pretty damn sure, have the say. It is my understanding that they set up this list to be a place where people just getting into the linux-mandrake experience can gather and discuss those thing pertaining to Linux-Mandrake. and while there is great scope covered under that umbrella, most of the thread, beginning with Anne's remarks (imho) do not belong on the newbie list. They would be just great on the OT list tho. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does not go on this list. The owners of the servers supporting this list, I am pretty damn sure, have the say. It is my understanding that they set up this list to be a place where people just getting into the linux-mandrake experience can gather and discuss those thing pertaining to Linux-Mandrake. and while there is great scope covered under that umbrella, most of the thread, beginning with Anne's remarks (imho) do not belong on the newbie list. They would be just great on the OT list tho. Not to mention the fact that this server space costs the company hosting it money. Considering Mandrake's precarious financial condition, I believe it's unconcsionable to waste it. You may consider this post as a waste but in reality, it *is* Mandrake related and my point is a fact everyone should consider before posting here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does not go on this list. The owners of the servers supporting this list, I am pretty damn sure, have the say. It is my understanding that they set up this list to be a place where people just getting into the linux-mandrake experience can gather and discuss those thing pertaining to Linux-Mandrake. and while there is great scope covered under that umbrella, most of the thread, beginning with Anne's remarks (imho) do not belong on the newbie list. They would be just great on the OT list tho. Not to mention the fact that this server space costs the company hosting it money. Considering Mandrake's precarious financial condition, I believe it's unconcsionable to waste it. You may consider this post as a waste but in reality, it *is* Mandrake related and my point is a fact everyone should consider before posting here. Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is when the talk turns political and controversial? There's a lot of chatter on this list, much of which has nothing to do with Mandrake in particular or even Linux. I've been skipping over messages about Aussies and vegetables and what not (no offense!) today. It seems that if we're going to say no OT then why not these tirades about the chit-chat? Is somebody volunteering to be the moderator? No, I think it's fine the way it is. I--and I'm sure most of you--are fully capable of scanning an email and hitting the delete button if it's something I don't care to read. (A much more valid argument, I think, is consideration for those who pay out the a$$ for their Internet connection.) Flame and filter away ;) Todd -- Name that tune #11: If I were David Byrne, I'd go to galleries and not be too concerned; and I would have a cup of coffee, and I'd find my surroundings quite amusing and people would ask me which were my favorite paintings. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Thanks for the common sense Todd, There are probably few lists that do not delve into the OT arena. (With exceptions for the rare dead, boring, dull lists) On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does not go on this list. The owners of the servers supporting this list, I am pretty damn sure, have the say. It is my understanding that they set up this list to be a place where people just getting into the linux-mandrake experience can gather and discuss those thing pertaining to Linux-Mandrake. and while there is great scope covered under that umbrella, most of the thread, beginning with Anne's remarks (imho) do not belong on the newbie list. They would be just great on the OT list tho. Not to mention the fact that this server space costs the company hosting it money. Considering Mandrake's precarious financial condition, I believe it's unconcsionable to waste it. You may consider this post as a waste but in reality, it *is* Mandrake related and my point is a fact everyone should consider before posting here. Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is when the talk turns political and controversial? There's a lot of chatter on this list, much of which has nothing to do with Mandrake in particular or even Linux. I've been skipping over messages about Aussies and vegetables and what not (no offense!) today. It seems that if we're going to say no OT then why not these tirades about the chit-chat? Is somebody volunteering to be the moderator? No, I think it's fine the way it is. I--and I'm sure most of you--are fully capable of scanning an email and hitting the delete button if it's something I don't care to read. (A much more valid argument, I think, is consideration for those who pay out the a$$ for their Internet connection.) Flame and filter away ;) Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Thanks for the common sense Todd, There are probably few lists that do not delve into the OT arena. (With exceptions for the rare dead, boring, dull lists) On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:03:24 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Jul 2003 06:27:47 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Sorry Keith, but it is not for you, nor me to decide what goes, or does not go on this list. The owners of the servers supporting this list, I am pretty damn sure, have the say. It is my understanding that they set up this list to be a place where people just getting into the linux-mandrake experience can gather and discuss those thing pertaining to Linux-Mandrake. and while there is great scope covered under that umbrella, most of the thread, beginning with Anne's remarks (imho) do not belong on the newbie list. They would be just great on the OT list tho. Not to mention the fact that this server space costs the company hosting it money. Considering Mandrake's precarious financial condition, I believe it's unconcsionable to waste it. You may consider this post as a waste but in reality, it *is* Mandrake related and my point is a fact everyone should consider before posting here. Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is when the talk turns political and controversial? There's a lot of chatter on this list, much of which has nothing to do with Mandrake in particular or even Linux. I've been skipping over messages about Aussies and vegetables and what not (no offense!) today. It seems that if we're going to say no OT then why not these tirades about the chit-chat? Is somebody volunteering to be the moderator? No, I think it's fine the way it is. I--and I'm sure most of you--are fully capable of scanning an email and hitting the delete button if it's something I don't care to read. (A much more valid argument, I think, is consideration for those who pay out the a$$ for their Internet connection.) Flame and filter away ;) Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Thursday 24 July 2003 01:22 pm, Todd Slater wrote: Why is it that the only time anybody gets their panties in a bunch is when the talk turns political and controversial? Probably for the same reason that I get a lot of flames when I post questions about urpmi on political lists. (A much more valid argument, I think, is consideration for those who pay out the a$$ for their Internet connection.) Bingo! It has got to be really painful when they're on a 26.4 connection. Todd -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 11:01 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote: and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not a crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL! Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. Anne I was raised and live in Appalachian Ohio, and have only *not* lived in Appalachia for probably 3 years of my life. For those of you not from here, it's an area characterized by underdevelopment, the result of years of (and continuing) internal colonialism. Anne, come on over here and you'll see that our system ain't exactly all that hot, either. Somebody from a city could probably show you the same poverty and despair there as well. Todd I can well believe it. I don't think anyone has come up with a perfect system. My own solution is to put all politicians in a room and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up like weeds g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote: I can well believe it. I don't think anyone has come up with a perfect system. My own solution is to put all politicians in a room and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up like weeds g Anne When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down, and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense. -- Wed Jul 23 23:35:01 EST 2003 23:35:01 up 9 days, 15:38, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.29, 0.26 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * My life is a soap opera, but who has the rights? -- MadameX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
What does this have to do with MS or Linux for that matter? Don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but Mark has generously provided server space for REALLY OTs; so why do so many insist on wasting newbie server space and bandwidth of those who have no interest in off topic discussions? I would think that the least that could be done is to change the subject line to reflect the topic being discussed so at least I could avoid everyone's opinions on subjects which have no interest for me. Am I alone on this? Sorry to blow up like that. On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote: I can well believe it. I don't think anyone has come up with a perfect system. My own solution is to put all politicians in a room and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up like weeds g Anne When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down, and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense. -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Anders, I AGREE! By the way, could you post your address and leave your house keys under the front door mat to make my borrowing easier? On Wednesday 23 July 2003 09:41 am, Anders Lind wrote: When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down, and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense. But those initial 10 rules were constructed by religious and political hustlers, made up to control people Listen to George Carlin's standup number on the ten commandments /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Because trying to live life believing and what we believe, do, etc. can be put in a box and some how separated from everything else is part of the reason the world is in such a mess. It is IMPOSSIBLE to completely isolate ethics from business (or ANY aspect of life). Situational ethics, or if it feels good, do it, has the effect of destroying life, and part of life is Linux (and the developement, learning curve thereof), relationships, countries, etc. This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) On Wednesday 23 July 2003 09:00 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: What does this have to do with MS or Linux for that matter? Don't know why this rubs me the wrong way but Mark has generously provided server space for REALLY OTs; so why do so many insist on wasting newbie server space and bandwidth of those who have no interest in off topic discussions? I would think that the least that could be done is to change the subject line to reflect the topic being discussed so at least I could avoid everyone's opinions on subjects which have no interest for me. Am I alone on this? Sorry to blow up like that. On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 08:39, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 18:36, Anne Wilson wrote: I can well believe it. I don't think anyone has come up with a perfect system. My own solution is to put all politicians in a room and shoot the lot, but then we'd probably get another crop coming up like weeds g Anne When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down, and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
When humanity is smart enough to live by the initial 10 rules laid down, and do so without deviation, revision or amendment - and live by those same rules honourably and inherently, there will no longer be a need for politicians, religious leaders or any such nonsense. But those initial 10 rules were constructed by religious and political hustlers, made up to control people Listen to George Carlin's standup number on the ten commandments /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
In spite of the resistance to move this topic to the proper forum, that's where you'll find my reply if you're interested. If not, enjoy the linux topics. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: snip This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Whoa, tiger. You're way off base. Who chose you to define the purpose of the list? Trust me, it is not for the purpose of discussing philosophy, religion, politics, raising organic (or orgasmic) vegtables, fishing, quilting, cabinet making, or ballet. There are already more than enough web resources for all that jazz, and Mandrake is not about to spend any of its scarce frances duplicating them. This list is solely a means for newbies, not-so-newbies, old hands and damn smart cookies to resolve problems and exchange news related to Mandrake Linux. Incidental comments on other topics are tolerated, but not encouraged. If you want to enrich your joy filled life by exchanging views on various OT topics, join one of the OT lists. That's why they exist. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:02:49 -0400 Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: snip This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Whoa, tiger. You're way off base. Who chose you to define the purpose of the list? He's not; brief excursion != purpose. Todd -- Name that tune #19: On the counter by your keys was a book of numbers and your remedies. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Carroll, You MISSED the point! The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people (versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it) It seems odd to me that you could miss such an obvious point, as just the fact that OT topics come up on a newbie list shows we are dealing with real people, not robots:) Keith On Wednesday 23 July 2003 08:02 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: snip This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Whoa, tiger. You're way off base. Who chose you to define the purpose of the list? Trust me, it is not for the purpose of discussing philosophy, religion, politics, raising organic (or orgasmic) vegtables, fishing, quilting, cabinet making, or ballet. There are already more than enough web resources for all that jazz, and Mandrake is not about to spend any of its scarce frances duplicating them. This list is solely a means for newbies, not-so-newbies, old hands and damn smart cookies to resolve problems and exchange news related to Mandrake Linux. Incidental comments on other topics are tolerated, but not encouraged. If you want to enrich your joy filled life by exchanging views on various OT topics, join one of the OT lists. That's why they exist. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:00 pm, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: Carroll, You MISSED the point! The point is in the course of REAL life, with real people (versus robots or machines), issues involving philosophy and other non-list discussions come up. (boats, beer, politics, you name it) It seems odd to me that you could miss such an obvious point, as just the fact that OT topics come up on a newbie list shows we are dealing with real people, not robots:) Keith aHa I passed the Turing test. On Wednesday 23 July 2003 08:02 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 11:23 am, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote: snip This list (and life in general) are not for you if you can not make brief excusions into philosophy (real life). Keith (living a joy filled life) :) Whoa, tiger. You're way off base. Who chose you to define the purpose of the list? Trust me, it is not for the purpose of discussing philosophy, religion, politics, raising organic (or orgasmic) vegtables, fishing, quilting, cabinet making, or ballet. There are already more than enough web resources for all that jazz, and Mandrake is not about to spend any of its scarce frances duplicating them. This list is solely a means for newbies, not-so-newbies, old hands and damn smart cookies to resolve problems and exchange news related to Mandrake Linux. Incidental comments on other topics are tolerated, but not encouraged. If you want to enrich your joy filled life by exchanging views on various OT topics, join one of the OT lists. That's why they exist. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 6:05 pm, JoeHill wrote: and if you think I'm a communist, you are close, and it is not a crime. If it bothers you that much tho, hey, filter me! LOL! Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me? I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. You wouldn't know communism if you were pissing on it. You took a trip to Russia, it doesn't make you an expert. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of situation. So, fuck off. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 16:15:06 up 15:44, 5 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 It is only with the heart one can see clearly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. -- The Fox, 'The Little Prince Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
I like you Anne, you have what my grandpappy called spunk :-) I agree, he doesn't like to listen, he likes to sprout... The best communists are those that live in non communist countries. They never see/feel the real hand of it on them, so they get all fanatical about it n stuff its really very very interesting to watch, I recommend it. The ones that live in the real communist countries mostly seem to hate it after awhile.. go figure.. It probably has to do with it usually being forced on them by a minority. I think two things.. 1. Joe hates microsoft for the wrong reasons. 2. Joe likes linux for the wrong reasons too. (free doesn't necessarily mean no cost) Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will never forgive me.. I wouldn't have seen this at all cos I consulted with those wiser then myself and received advice to the effect that Joes posts should be sent straight to my bit bucket (notice I said my bit bucket, i am not suggestion you all ignore him.. they I would certainly not be offended if you did. :-) I would never ignore anne's posts though... :-) so here I am. Back to linux it is... regards franki htmlfixit.com PS, hopefully Joe has filtered me, so if no-one responds to this, he will never know I sent it.. so please don't :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 3:09 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!! On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 9:18 pm, JoeHill wrote: [...] No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of situation. So, fuck off. Wow, you really are a prick aren't you? The mails that I replied to earlier I now notice were direct to you. Despite being polite you chose to be abusive in return. Your reply to Anne, who is unfailingly courteous, not to mention one of the regulars who will help anyone with a problem, says far more about you than you can imagine. I'd like to imagine you as a sulky teenager which would at least provide some sort of poor excuse for you, unfortunately I suspect the rreality falls in the first line of this reply. regards Daryl -- Marriage is the waste-paper basket of the emotions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will never forgive me.. Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne brought it back on, and here you are continuing it. Neither of you know the slightest thing about communism, gleaning all you think you know from network news and tabloids. But, frankly, this was never about communism. *You* called me a communist, and I made a flippant remark about being not quite. *You* continue this diatribe against communism and everything that threatens your tiny, pathetic little existence, if you will, just don't try to paint me as the agitator. From you it doesn't surprise me, but for Anne to post a singularly trollish comment like: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. I am quite surprised and dismayed. I have always treated her with the utmost respect and even admiration. Now I see her true colours, posting a private communication on a public forum, thus aggravating the situation further. As far as I am concerned, you are both to be deeply ashamed for this kind of attack. I have made every effort with you, Frankie boy, over the last couple of days since you helped me with my mailserver, to be as agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. To hell with you both then, I don't need help from people who cannot use their own best judgement to avoid heated topics, as I have made a serious effort to do of late, well, except on the OT list. I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on communism, your mockery of my beliefs, or your childish insults. Buh-bye. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 16:42:02 up 16:11, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.01 He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know. -- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:18 pm, JoeHill wrote: No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of situation. So, fuck off. ok, so now i have a questionwhere is the REAL newbie linux list? you know, the list where people try to help other people out when they can't figure something out on their own? personally, i don't mind things going onto a tangent and things other than linux (or whatever the list may be for) being brought up (for this list i would think anything computer related whether it be software, hardware, news, lawsuits, etc). but the name calling and all this other BS is just too much. i understand expressing your views on something, but telling someone to fuck off really makes me wonder if i'm on the right mailing list or not. having opinions and knowing how to express them is a wonderful thing to be able to do, but i believe that in kindergarten they start teaching you to not call people names or the like when you don't agree with them or their views. hey, i'm not perfect, i'm not on a soapbox, i'm not preaching, but this is turning into childish non-sense. grow up or go to aol or yahoo chat rooms to bicker with people and act like children. i'm on this list to try to learn something and get tips/pointers/help when i'm stuck on whatever it may be that i can't do on my ownnot to feel like i'm reading a transcription of my children arguing with each other. i have a feeling joe doesn't like me either based on his reply to what i posted about common sense when that kazaa thread started going way off topic. i don't think he knows what common sense is, as noted by the comments he just directed to Anne. joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response as you just gave to anne, do it offlist as to not clog everyone else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. can we get back to linux and other computer related stuff now? Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400 crak600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response as you just gave to anne, do it offlist as to not clog everyone else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. *learn to read* I sent that to Anne offlist, *she* put it back on. *That's* what upset me. What also upsets me is that *one* aspect of my belief system (communist, anarchist, libertarianism, a mix of each) is dwelled on *incessantly* by people who know *nothing* about those things. What upsets me is when I am discussing a narrow point of legality, and people start bringing in examples about plumbers and artists and programmers, when all I am talking about is copyright law. What puts me right over the edge is when I try to end it and people just keep going on and on and on, oh, so *you* are supposed to get the last word on the list, eh? Reply to you offlist so you can have your say and slag me in public and I can't defend myself in the same way? Ya, right. Not bloody likely. This will end when you and your ilk get it through your thick skulls that belittling people's philosophies, notice I said belittling, not *debating* (requiring knowledge, insight, and study), is not to be tolerated, and *will not be tolerated*. If you want to debate, fine, but when I hear shit like this: The best communists are those that live in non communist countries. They never see/feel the real hand of it on them, so they get all fanatical about it n stuff its really very very interesting to watch, I recommend it. The ones that live in the real communist countries mostly seem to hate it after awhile.. go figure.. It probably has to do with it usually being forced on them by a minority. I think two things.. 1. Joe hates microsoft for the wrong reasons. 2. Joe likes linux for the wrong reasons too. (free doesn't necessarily mean no cost) Courtesy of dickhead up there, I feel it is within my rights to respond. Anyone who has a problem with this can kiss my ass. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ 17:44:08 up 17:13, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.06 A lifetime isn't nearly long enough to figure out what it's all about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 22 Jul 2003 7:51 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:39:45 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? Now can we get back to linux? Or take this to the OT list? It's an interesting thread, but I'm not sure if it's relevant to this list. -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 03:55 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:07:37 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Anyway, enough of this rubbish.. If I start another one of these flamewar things Stephen will never forgive me.. Too late, arsewipe. I tried to take it offlist, Anne brought it back on, and here you are continuing it. Neither of you know the slightest thing about communism, gleaning all you think you know from network news and tabloids. But, frankly, this was never about communism. *You* called me a communist, and I made a flippant remark about being not quite. *You* continue this diatribe against communism and everything that threatens your tiny, pathetic little existence, if you will, just don't try to paint me as the agitator. From you it doesn't surprise me, but for Anne to post a singularly trollish comment like: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. I am quite surprised and dismayed. I have always treated her with the utmost respect and even admiration. Now I see her true colours, posting a private communication on a public forum, thus aggravating the situation further. As far as I am concerned, you are both to be deeply ashamed for this kind of attack. I have made every effort with you, Frankie boy, over the last couple of days since you helped me with my mailserver, to be as agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. To hell with you both then, I don't need help from people who cannot use their own best judgement to avoid heated topics, as I have made a serious effort to do of late, well, except on the OT list. I'm not interested in your ill-informed opinions on communism, your mockery of my beliefs, or your childish insults. Buh-bye. Ats ok, I find that a good many of the flame wars appear to be around joe hill, --filtered-- -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:55:53 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:36:07 -0400 crak600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: joe, if you feel so inclined to give me the same response as you just gave to anne, do it offlist as to not clog everyone else's mailboxes up with utter garbage and non-sense. you won't hurt my feelings or make me bitter by doing so either. *learn to read* I sent that to Anne offlist, *she* put it back on. *That's* what upset me. What also upsets me is that *one* aspect of my belief system (communist, anarchist, libertarianism, a mix of each) is dwelled on *incessantly* by people who know *nothing* about those things. Might that include you??? I'm outta here. -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:18:31 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:09:07 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Joe - I'm not going to follow this up, no matter what you post next. Oh, I see, you can cut the discussion off, but not me? I've just come back from Russia. You should hear what the people there think about communism. You wouldn't know communism if you were pissing on it. You took a trip to Russia, it doesn't make you an expert. whatever, then don't bother communicating with me ever again. OK - you don't like to hear anything against your beliefs do you? No, I don't appreciate being treated with disdain by someone whom I have gone *out of my way* to be nice to, to help, to treat as a friend. You only get one chance with me, unfortunately, in that kind of situation. So, fuck off. === Yup., time to unsub from this one. The ad hominems and other childish nonsense are beyond belief here!!! Who likes to wear the red bandana?? Who likes to play moderator uggg Later folks -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MS is at it again... Now Really OT!!!
JoeHill wrote: agreeable as possible. You have, as Anne, treated me to abuse, fixating on one comment out of a whole discussion to label me a communist, and belittle me for any sympathies I may have with that philosophy. Anne's argument was not exactly cogent, and it was, IMHO, hijacking a potentially interesting (if somewhat OT) thread about IP and how programmers can be remunerated for their work ... but it wasn't abuse. Saying Fuck off is abuse. Keep that kind of thing for the OT list, please. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
