Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:46:17 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 15:09, David E. Fox wrote: If you're going to browse for binaries, don't use PAN; use getbinnews instead. Not a hog at all. Very fast. Steve - great. I got it. Will give it a try. I just wish I had known about it months ago, it could have saved me from a lot of swapping :). stephen kuhn - owner -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:27:42 +, Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deleted the ~/.openoffice folder which contains my personal OpenOffice configuration. Whenever something gets messed up, one of the first things I normally do is delete the personal config files. Do a ls -a to see all the config files in your home directory to see what I mean. Miark I backed up my ~/, and left it to finish overnight. It was still going the next morning. Turns out that there was some sort of recursive link in ~/.openoffice, something to do with the desktop folder. Could the app be drilling down through this when it takes so long to load? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 15:09, David E. Fox wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:09:06 + Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it I just (re)installed it in 10.0. I have an Athlon 1000 mhz box, with 768 megs of RAM (I recently upped it from 256). oowriter from command line to full window is maybe 6-8 seconds, although I didn't look very closely. Right now I have a number of opened apps, such as pan (pretty big memory hog, especially after browsing the binaries newsgroups for sometime), and I run inside KDE. Miark If you're going to browse for binaries, don't use PAN; use getbinnews instead. Not a hog at all. Very fast. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- We can embody the truth, but we cannot know it. -- Yates Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
Op Sat, 01 May 2004 10:53:46 +0300 schreef rhein: Thanks now I get it :-) But if I delate this .openoffice directory do I erase the software with it? Thanks Christphe Only if you installed the entire OO-software in .openoffice. I suppose you didn't. Paul -- Isn't it a pity that the french have no word for entrepreneur - George W. Bush, president of the USA http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
Thanks now I get it :-) But if I delate this .openoffice directory do I erase the software with it? Thanks Christphe No, it shouldn't touch the software itself. Files and folders in any home directory only affect that user. That's why they are there :-) A program installed in your home folder wouldn't be useable by anybody else on the system. So, most programs are installed in places like /usr/bin or similar, but settings that are personal to you are put in your home folder. They put a period at the start of the file name so you don't have to see them if you don't want to. Removing one of these 'dot' files means that the program launches with the 'factory' defaults the next time and recreates a 'dot' file for your user. It's a good trouble shooting technique when something is not working right to backup the 'dot' file that program uses (e.g. rename the .kde folder to kdebackup) and launch the program again to see what happens. Now, having said all that, I think there is a way to install a 'local' copy of open office. (Exception to every rule) It wouldn't hurt to try 'which soffice' at a command prompt so you know for sure where the open office program itself actually is. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
B McKee wrote: Thanks now I get it :-) But if I delate this .openoffice directory do I erase the software with it? Thanks Christphe No, it shouldn't touch the software itself. Files and folders in any home directory only affect that user. That's why they are there :-) A program installed in your home folder wouldn't be useable by anybody else on the system. So, most programs are installed in places like /usr/bin or similar, but settings that are personal to you are put in your home folder. They put a period at the start of the file name so you don't have to see them if you don't want to. Removing one of these 'dot' files means that the program launches with the 'factory' defaults the next time and recreates a 'dot' file for your user. It's a good trouble shooting technique when something is not working right to backup the 'dot' file that program uses (e.g. rename the .kde folder to kdebackup) and launch the program again to see what happens. Now, having said all that, I think there is a way to install a 'local' copy of open office. (Exception to every rule) It wouldn't hurt to try 'which soffice' at a command prompt so you know for sure where the open office program itself actually is. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Thanks for this lesson ;-) I removed the directory and now oo starts much faster. Have a nice week-end Christophe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:09:06 + Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it I just (re)installed it in 10.0. I have an Athlon 1000 mhz box, with 768 megs of RAM (I recently upped it from 256). oowriter from command line to full window is maybe 6-8 seconds, although I didn't look very closely. Right now I have a number of opened apps, such as pan (pretty big memory hog, especially after browsing the binaries newsgroups for sometime), and I run inside KDE. Miark -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:09 pm, Miark wrote: Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Miark That does appear slow and surprises me. You are using OO.o1.1.0? I have never installed, for use, the Mandrake version, only ever the one from OO.org, into the place where Mandrake installs their version. I've used both the tarball and the Mandrake RPM - no difference as far as I could see. Might be worth checking bugzilla for OO, or perhaps it's time to upgrade to 10.0. OO, like most things, works faster in 10.0. I'm using OO (slowest Linux app ever) on KDE (slowest desktop ever) awnd it still opens in seconds on a comparable machine. Sir Robin -- Corruptissima in republica plurimae leges. - Tacitus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:01:43 -0400, Marc wrote: SO is way faster than OOo which was beginning to lag on my machine. SO is cute and it comes with a 500+ pages manual very well done. Not to lose sight of your question, but I've been pretty annoyed lately with OO because of its slowness. I seem to remember it starting, loading and saving files, and other operations being faster when my 9.2.1 was fresh. But it could be my imagination. Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:41 pm, Miark wrote: Not to lose sight of your question, but I've been pretty annoyed lately with OO because of its slowness. I seem to remember it starting, loading and saving files, and other operations being faster when my 9.2.1 was fresh. But it could be my imagination. Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- Becoming a buddha is easy But ending illusions is hard So many frosted moonlit nights I've sat and felt the cold before dawn. Shih-wu (1272-1352 ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:01:43 -0400, Marc wrote: SO is way faster than OOo which was beginning to lag on my machine. SO is cute and it comes with a 500+ pages manual very well done. Not to lose sight of your question, but I've been pretty annoyed lately with OO because of its slowness. I seem to remember it starting, loading and saving files, and other operations being faster when my 9.2.1 was fresh. But it could be my imagination. Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? Miark I had the same problem. At first OOo was faster than the previous 1.0, but OOo started to become slower and slower until it became frankly unworkable. I do not know the reason for this. May be their mailing-list contains some information about that. I have been lucky than SUN decided to make their SO version totally free for education. It is a great product and I hope it will take the place it deserves. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:05:51 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
Miark wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:05:51 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I posted the same problem a few days ago... I open the same file every day and now I need more then a minute to open it! Nothing else then Kde is running and I have more then 500 mb of ram! I stoped using Star office because of the price... since it is free for teachers maybe I will download it! But it still doesn't solve the ooo problem! Bye Christophe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:21 +0300, rhein wrote: 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. I posted the same problem a few days ago... I open the same file every day and now I need more then a minute to open it! Nothing else then Kde is running and I have more then 500 mb of ram! I stoped using Star office because of the price... since it is free for teachers maybe I will download it! But it still doesn't solve the ooo problem! And worse, because OOo and StarOffice are siblings, it seems likely that StarOffice will eventually suffer the same effect. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
Miark wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:05:51 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? No, but you might have something running in the background when you open it up. I sometimes open two or three apps up at a time, and then OO.o appears slow against the others. Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Jeez, I haven't experienced anything like that since the old days before OO split off from SO. Something is obviously borked in your installation, but I have no idea what. Have you tried running it as a different user, to establish whether the problem is in your whole installation or just in your own settings? OO is not, and never will be, a speed king, but it should not be doing this. Sir Robin -- Corruptissima in republica plurimae leges. - Tacitus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:21 +0300, rhein wrote: 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. I posted the same problem a few days ago... I open the same file every day and now I need more then a minute to open it! Nothing else then Kde is running and I have more then 500 mb of ram! I stoped using Star office because of the price... since it is free for teachers maybe I will download it! But it still doesn't solve the ooo problem! And worse, because OOo and StarOffice are siblings, it seems likely that StarOffice will eventually suffer the same effect. no sign of trouble after some 6 months use Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:32:32 +0300, robin wrote: 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Have you tried running it as a different user, to establish whether the problem is in your whole installation or just in your own settings? Good idea. I just su'ed to root and oowriter came up in 10 seconds, so there's obviously something wrong with my user configuration. Alright, I just nuked my .openoffice directory and now I can run it in 10 seconds as the regular user aswell. I wonder what got into .openoffice to cause such a slowdown! Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 19:41, Miark wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:01:43 -0400, Marc wrote: SO is way faster than OOo which was beginning to lag on my machine. SO is cute and it comes with a 500+ pages manual very well done. Not to lose sight of your question, but I've been pretty annoyed lately with OO because of its slowness. I seem to remember it starting, loading and saving files, and other operations being faster when my 9.2.1 was fresh. But it could be my imagination. Is there any reason that OO would gradually become slower over a period of a couple months? Has anyone else experienced this? Miark Unlike MS Office which loads most of it's core when the OS (Windows) loads, SO and OO have to initiate the java core when you fire up the application(s) - it's faster AFTER you've loaded it the first time...so, since it does not load most of it's core components as the OS loads, it's taking it's merry old time when you fire it up the first time...does that make sense? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- What is the sound of one hand clapping? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice.org reacquires ownership on file format
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:09 pm, Miark wrote: Certainly it is the slowest program to kick in on my machines. 4 seconds by my watch if nothing else is being loaded as well. This machine has 512 MB RAM, but I just timed it on the one with half as much, 256 RAM and it is the same. I don't know if that is fast or slow, but it is fine by me. 4 seconds? Cripes, in KDE in 9.2.1 it takes me about a minute and a half! I have a 1.1 GHz Athlon, and a gig of RAM. I monitored it starting with top running, and the most CPU intensive thing running at the time was top itself at about 1%. Miark That does appear slow and surprises me. You are using OO.o1.1.0? I have never installed, for use, the Mandrake version, only ever the one from OO.org, into the place where Mandrake installs their version. HTH. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- At a given moment I open my eyes and exist. And before that, during all eternity, what was there? Nothing. .Ugo Betti ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
