Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
ABM: --- The dissolution of the former Soviet Union during the autumn and winter of 1991 required the United States to re-evaluate the bilateral treaties that had existed between the Soviet Union and itself, including the ABM Treaty. (1) Both President Bush and President Clinton operated on the general principle that the treaty rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union had passed to the successor States [] As the Legal Adviser to the State Department during the Bush Administration explained, [a]s an operating principle, agreements between the United States and the USSR that were in force at the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union have been presumed to continue in force with respect to the former republics. What is the legal basis for adopting this position? Except for the Baltic states, which the United States never recognized as part of the Soviet Union, we regarded the emergence of Russia and the other former republics to have stemmed from what was essentially the complete breakup of the Soviet Union. [AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:] Thus, continuity of treaty relations is supported by our reading of state practice, and by policy considerations underlying this rule. Perhaps most importantly, however, continuity has been supported by the republics themselves, who affirmed this approach in the Alma Ata Declaration when they guaranteed the fulfillment of international obligations stemming from the treasties and agreements of the former U.S.S.R.[...] [comments in Brackets made by me] link: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/abmjq.htm apart from that: Ban of B/C Weapons: -- Monday May 21, 2001 The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. The protocol took six years to negotiate and established measures to monitor the ban on biological weapons. It was a follow-up to the 1972 treaty, ratified by 143 nations, which bans the development, production and possession of biological weapons. link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html On Friday 10 January 2003 06:39 pm, Kelley Jernigan wrote: Why is it that people miss that the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty was made with a country that no longer exists? Any treaties that are made with any country that ceases to exist are null and void automatically. I cut the rest Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
What a lot of nonsence. If it were about oil the Best thing the USA could do is lift all of the sanctions. Then the US could have all the Iraqi oil it wanted to buy. JKJ On Monday 06 January 2003 8:22 pm, Todd Franklin wrote: What gets me is that the whole Iraq thing is over the oil. There's still no conclusive proof that they have weapons of mass destruction, but we know for sure they have vast amounts of oil. In fact, the Bush administration has already divided it up amongst the oil companies. (primarily american I'm sure) It makes me want to puke. We know North Korea is making weapons-grade plutonium right now, but since there's no oil there, the Bush administration has decided to use diplomacy instead of bombing them. Hmm double standard? And what ever happened to Bin Laden anyway? Why haven't they gotten him? Most advanced military in the world can't find one guy? We've got sattelites that can find oil miles deep, but can't find one terrorist in a cave! GR! Sorry about the rant, but here I sit in the midwestern US, I was layed off in April 02 and I can't find a job, my unemployment has been cut off, the economy is going to hell, and this f***ing moronic administration is slowly taking away our rights. Pretty soon the only US constitutional right left will be to own a gun so we can blow our own heads off. Todd Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 05:28 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 6:38 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. Ain't that true the world over? How many people really do? I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) Unfortunately two or three idiots can turn a world upside down. Anne ...and 60 hours of Gilligan is certain to reduce anyone to a babbling idiot. (I think we've set a new list record for simultaneous OT threads -- three by my count. Oh well, it's the weekend. Damn glad I don't pay by the minute, though.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- J. Kelley Jernigan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
Why is it that people miss that the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty was made with a country that no longer exists? Any treaties that are made with any country that ceases to exist are null and void automatically. JKJ On Thursday 09 January 2003 10:53 pm, bones wrote: Hell, everybody has strong feelings about this subject. I have resisted long but this post is really way beyond. Imagine: There are two countries, X and Y. - X has made war to two other countries (to one of them with strong support by Y) and shot rockets against a third, it is _suspected_ to have weapons of mass destruction. (Todays news tell me though that it is _not_ likely they do, or even did - is the news in america different?) - Y is proven to _have_ weapons of mass destruction, is the only country that has actually used it and is willing to do so again. (see below: [1]). Has recently one-sidedly _broken_ the ABM treaty with russia to reduce nuclear weapons on both sides (Y is now stronger so the treaty is obsolete). [2] Y possess biological/chemical weapons and has recently ignored another international treaty they signed in 1972 that bans b+c weapons [4] . They have repeatedly attacked and invaded other (democratically elected) countries. [3] --- Which one is more dangerous? --- Do you sometimes question yourself and your position? How comes your are so self-righteous? You are with us or against us what a shit! I am against Bush _and_ Fundamentalists, because they are basically the same to me. Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? p. But well it _is_ true that this is the place to discuss opposing views about KDE and Gnome I just couldn't let it stand like this. -- [1] The Pentagon's newly revised, secret-but-leaked nuclear posture review lists not just one or two, but at least seven nations that may conceivably qualify as targets for nuclear attack by the United States. The potential bull's-eyes include not only the usual axis of evil-also known as Iran, Iraq and North Korea-but Libya and Syria, as well as our friends in China and Russia. government site: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/stories/01121302.htm (and) bbc :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1707812.stm [2] The United States has given Russia formal notice that it will withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in six months, President Bush said December 13. links: same as above [3] IRAN 1953 CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah. INDONESIA 1965 Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost. CHILE 1973 CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed. Turkey By means of repetitive coups the US-backed army has ousted the democratically elected parties for several times. http://www.countries.com/messageboard/messages/688.html (or) http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm [4] The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html -- J. Kelley Jernigan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
Hell, everybody has strong feelings about this subject. I have resisted long but this post is really way beyond. Imagine: There are two countries, X and Y. - X has made war to two other countries (to one of them with strong support by Y) and shot rockets against a third, it is _suspected_ to have weapons of mass destruction. (Todays news tell me though that it is _not_ likely they do, or even did - is the news in america different?) - Y is proven to _have_ weapons of mass destruction, is the only country that has actually used it and is willing to do so again. (see below: [1]). Has recently one-sidedly _broken_ the ABM treaty with russia to reduce nuclear weapons on both sides (Y is now stronger so the treaty is obsolete). [2] Y possess biological/chemical weapons and has recently ignored another international treaty they signed in 1972 that bans b+c weapons [4] . They have repeatedly attacked and invaded other (democratically elected) countries. [3] --- Which one is more dangerous? --- Do you sometimes question yourself and your position? How comes your are so self-righteous? You are with us or against us what a shit! I am against Bush _and_ Fundamentalists, because they are basically the same to me. Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? p. But well it _is_ true that this is the place to discuss opposing views about KDE and Gnome I just couldn't let it stand like this. -- [1] The Pentagon's newly revised, secret-but-leaked nuclear posture review lists not just one or two, but at least seven nations that may conceivably qualify as targets for nuclear attack by the United States. The potential bull's-eyes include not only the usual axis of evil-also known as Iran, Iraq and North Korea-but Libya and Syria, as well as our friends in China and Russia. government site: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/stories/01121302.htm (and) bbc :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1707812.stm [2] The United States has given Russia formal notice that it will withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in six months, President Bush said December 13. links: same as above [3] IRAN 1953 CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah. INDONESIA 1965 Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost. CHILE 1973 CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed. Turkey By means of repetitive coups the US-backed army has ousted the democratically elected parties for several times. http://www.countries.com/messageboard/messages/688.html (or) http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm [4] The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:15 pm, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? Bones, Nice post. I'm sure there will be sweeping policy changes and a flood of apologies issued from Washington very soon. Until then, can we drop the subject at least on this list? It's getting real old. Pretty please? I'll be your best friend. ;) Feel free to contact me personally and flame my government to your heart's content. I'm also on the #Mandrake-offtopic IRC channel at freenode.net. ~Brandon I'll be everyone's second best friend! Please? -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 23:04, Dennis Sue wrote: I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. I've seen people get slapped down for wanting to keep this list to its purpose, but all we have in common is an interest in an OS - nothing else. The which-star-trek-actor-do-you-fancy thread was tedious, but this one is downright nasty. The web is full of places to talk about which race you hate most, and how the US saves the world on a daily basis. Don't do it here. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
A quick check on my own server gave me 352 newsgroups that included the word politics in the title... some scope there I would suggest ;o) regards Daryl On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 10:40 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Milos Prudek wrote: [...] I think that this list is intended for discussion about Mandrake Linux. While I appreciate your opinion and actually agree with most points, in my opinion this list is not appropriate to discuss politics. John Richard Smith wrote: That is quite correct , I tend to agree , but people are very worried about this situation, little scope to discuss these things really exists, and in this instance at least , here is an opportunity . John -- If God is perfect, why did He create discontinuous functions? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
At 10:29 AM 1/7/2003 +0100, you wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support for an Iraqi war. I think that this list is intended for discussion about Mandrake Linux. While I appreciate your opinion and actually agree with most points, in my opinion this list is not appropriate to discuss politics. -- Milos Prudek hate to agree, but i do heh... politics/abortion/religion=not listable stuff really... gets too messy :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 04:20 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support for an Iraqi war. I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse. Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke The Iraqi's were preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel, Another holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish people. Never again, NEVER AGAIN! Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our people with all the means at our disposal. Their critics would hear none of that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, probably Conservatives too. A U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League. The Russians lined up with the Arabs,As did the British, screaming for vengence, Screaming for sanctions. The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get along and pretend it's ok, a FACT. It has everything to do with the American Governments Middle East Foreign Policy, which is stimulating terrorism and has been for some time, America's sin that stimulates terrorism is this - Supporting Israel. As long as we support Israel then we will be hated by the Arab nations. Our only mistake was during the Iran / Iraq war assuming that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. They are not, never have been, never will be. If not for Israel, Then because we are not Islamic. When the Arabs have no common enemy to fight, They kill each other. As much as we hear of the plight of the Palastinians, Which of those nations have ever raised a finger to help their brother Palistine ? They throw the Palastinians out of their countries. Only using them as pawns against Israel. When Israel offered the Palastinians settlements, and money They were told not to accept, To do so would cost them their lives. Yassar Arafat led attacks against HIS people, The ones who accepted land, and money. Yassar Arafat killed HIS brothers for wanting peace. and an invasion of Iraq right now will confirm in the minds of evey Arab just how much they have to fear. And what are these 9/11 , School bombing type of attacks suppose to stimulate ? Fear. So you can quit whining about the poor , innocent Arabs. Especially when the cowardly little bastards run into an Israeli school and blow up innocent civilians. They are all in bed together on this terror. It is how cowards fight. It's all they know, nothing of honor, Nothing of Integrity. They are a detestable people hell bent on your destruction. They do not want peace. And I do not want peace at any cost. Why is it that liberals generally want peace, no matter what the price ? Is it worth your dignity ? Your self respect ? Your silence to wrongs committed against an innocent people ? What wouldn't you give for it ? Apparantly your life. The middle east is the worlds oil well, Not after America comes in, It's called the spoils of war, and it then belongs to US. invading Iraq at this time and under current circumstances is a 10 year blue touch paper to ww3 with china. John At the moment, The only thing China really has on us in manpower. They can send them out like ants, Lose 20 million like nothing. That's why we develop weapons. And besides, What are we suppose to do ? Cower in the corner like most of the world did some 60 years ago ? Oh no, We can't defend ourselves because somebody might beat us up , Or is it this instead It just wouldn't be prudent ? I've had my fill of people pissing on the one nation that has helped every other. We've put our blood, sweat, and tears into EVERY other nation on this planet and have been insulted for it. We are not perfect, we make mistakes. This just doesn't happen to be one of them. And neither will taking out the next Arab nation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 08:38 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:04, Dennis Sue wrote: Well, Dennis Sue, all I can say is that you've got your shite together. You got's my vote, I'll be watching email from this address much closer in the future. Btw, see what you think about this: Strategy of appeasement = NaziDrake a much deserved and post timely death for such OT threads as this, on a tech mailling list Heh. --LX P.S. Funny how, during the last WW, the Allied symbol was a star, which is the same symbol as Mandrake carries now. Conversely, if the beloved European appeasement strategy had been brought to fruition with Hitler, we would have a swastika symbol instead. Interesting how history impacts everything. Like Mandrake. I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse. Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke The Iraqi's were preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel, Another holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish people. Never again, NEVER AGAIN! Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our people with all the means at our disposal. Their critics would hear none of that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, probably Conservatives too. A U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League. The Russians lined up with the Arabs,As did the British, screaming for vengence, Screaming for sanctions. The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get along and pretend it's ok, a FACT. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 06 Jan 2003 8:04 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. May I as a list member on a dial-up connection with limited mail box space ask WhoTF Norm is and WhyTF politics are doing on a linux list? Come on guys answer a few questions or take your non-linux stuff off list Hylton Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them Anne OooYa! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. May I as a list member on a dial-up connection with limited mail box space ask WhoTF Norm is and WhyTF politics are doing on a linux list? Come on guys answer a few questions or take your non-linux stuff off list Hylton Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Monday 06 Jan 2003 8:04 am, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. May I as a list member on a dial-up connection with limited mail box space ask WhoTF Norm is and WhyTF politics are doing on a linux list? Come on guys answer a few questions or take your non-linux stuff off list Hylton Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Monday 06 Jan 2003 4:26 pm, Daniel Segel wrote: At 12:20 PM 1/6/2003 +, Anne wrote: Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them I find this to be a poor solution for many reasons: 1. This is a *newbie* list, and some of the people on it really are newbies who have more pressing issues on their mind than how to set up such a filter. No problem has been neglected Personally, I think the ability to filter emails is an essential skill, but there you are. 2. I don't like the idea of setting up new filters every time a new OT subject pops up. So set up one that acts on all messages preceded by 'OT'. 4. If the signal:noise ration on this list goes down low enough it ceases being a worthwhile mailing list. A day or so is hardly a problem of this size. Get a sense of proportion. This is an e-mail list, not a web forum. Subscribers have no choice but to accept (or somehow process) everything that comes down the line, You could always try webmail - there you can delete anything without downloading. so please be considerate and keep the OT stuff to a minimum. Get a life, Daniel, or you'll be old before your time. BTW, thank you for cropping your quote - that's helpful. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
At 12:20 PM 1/6/2003 +, Anne wrote: Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them I find this to be a poor solution for many reasons: 1. This is a *newbie* list, and some of the people on it really are newbies who have more pressing issues on their mind than how to set up such a filter. 2. I don't like the idea of setting up new filters every time a new OT subject pops up. 3. Not everybody reads mail continuously. By the time I got around to checking this list there were already 10-20 OT messages clogging up the list. 4. If the signal:noise ration on this list goes down low enough it ceases being a worthwhile mailing list. This is an e-mail list, not a web forum. Subscribers have no choice but to accept (or somehow process) everything that comes down the line, so please be considerate and keep the OT stuff to a minimum. Daniel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 04:38:06PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: Get a life, Daniel, or you'll be old before your time. BTW, thank you for cropping your quote - that's helpful. Anne This is getting out of hand. Don't be so defensive, Anne, nobody is attacking you. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Monday 06 Jan 2003 5:25 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 04:38:06PM +, Anne Wilson wrote: Get a life, Daniel, or you'll be old before your time. BTW, thank you for cropping your quote - that's helpful. Anne This is getting out of hand. Don't be so defensive, Anne, nobody is attacking you. Todd Fair comment, Todd. It's just that the thread raised so many smiles, and they're always welcome in winter. I'll shut up. :) Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 05:38, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 06 Jan 2003 4:26 pm, Daniel Segel wrote: At 12:20 PM 1/6/2003 +, Anne wrote: Or set a filter on your machine to ignore them I find this to be a poor solution for many reasons: 1. This is a *newbie* list, and some of the people on it really are newbies who have more pressing issues on their mind than how to set up such a filter. No problem has been neglected Personally, I think the ability to filter emails is an essential skill, but there you are. 2. I don't like the idea of setting up new filters every time a new OT subject pops up. So set up one that acts on all messages preceded by 'OT'. LOL, But this one isn't listed as 'OT' -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Monday 06 Jan 2003 9:07 pm, Michael Adams wrote: So set up one that acts on all messages preceded by 'OT'. LOL, But this one isn't listed as 'OT' Touche - but any topic can go OT, so I guess there's no answer to that. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
An occasional forray into OT makes us human rather than merely machines. Maybe the OT protester is an extra-terrestrial??? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 13:29, Keith wrote: An occasional forray into OT makes us human rather than merely machines. Maybe the OT protester is an extra-terrestrial??? Or anal-retentive? Or an anal-rententive extra-terrestrial? Or an anal-retentive extra-terrestrial ultra-conservative republican? Or an anal-retentive extra-terrestrial ultra-conservative republican steeped in ultra fanatic conservative organisationally structured religious beliefs? Or an... -- Tue Jan 7 13:40:00 EST 2003 1:40pm up 1:21, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.11, 0.20 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Cleanliness becomes more important when godliness is unlikely. -- P.J. O'Rourke Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 17:54, james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. -- -- Jim Kewlness. Reps and libers get along exceptionally well. ;) --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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This is off-topic, but a characterization of free software practices and sharing as more republican or libertarian in nature is also way off. Libertarians--which are really Republicans without a desire to regulate people's private practices (drug use, sexual practices)--are primarily concerned with the defense of private property from any state intervention. Free software undermines private property by keeping software in free, unrestrained public use. Free software is communally shared property. Libertarians are not opposed to regulation universally, only state intervention. Libertarians support unfree software licensing for example, and call any state support of free software intervention in the free market. Not exactly a recipe for cooperation. While I'm sure some libertarians depart from this ruthless attack on freedom, it's important to remember that the principal interest of libertarians is not protecting freedom, it is to protect private property. Of course, they do equate private property with freedom, but that's another discussion. Now, one of the reasons why I think RMS is unreasonable is this attitude that he has expressed that he wants to ban all other licenses the Free Software-ones. Personally I don't think I or anyone else has the right to tell a coder which license he/she is gonna use or not. What we should concentrate on instead should be to convince this person that GPL or BSD is a better license to use. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
Which is better KDE, or Gnome ? Whichever one you like the most, and find to be the best for you. That's the one that's better. How about these questions instead : Which is better: 1- Linux with the ability to use different desktops. Or windows with no such ability? 2- Linux with the ability to toggle through desktops. Or windows with no such ability? 3- Linux , because of the option to use different desktops, The ability to even ask this question. Or windows. 4- If everbody in the world farted at the same time, what would happen to the polar ice caps? 5- If everbody in the world farted at the same time, And you just happened to light a match at that moment, Would it explode the entire world at once, Or simply set up a chain reaction? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 05 January 2003 01:37 am, you wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:22:43 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... and green. Todd Salut komrade! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael Shinobi a.k.a. 'alfalfa' Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Sun Jan 5 11:38:27 EST 2003 11:38am up 4 days, 13:49, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A bachelor is a selfish, undeserving guy who has cheated some woman out of a divorce. -- Don Quinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 03:27:07PM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:22, mike wrote: I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... ...and to think I moved to Australia to be away from US politics...I guess not... Not that the U.S. seems intent on building a world empire, I suspect everyone will have to deal with US politics. Even places as remote from technological civilization as Afghanistan! Afghanistan uset to be the proverbial end-of-the-earth when I was little. -- hendrik -- Sun Jan 5 15:25:00 EST 2003 3:25pm up 18:33, 6 users, load average: 0.73, 0.56, 0.56 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 05 January 2003 12:08 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 03:27:07PM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:22, mike wrote: I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... ...and to think I moved to Australia to be away from US politics...I guess not... Not that the U.S. seems intent on building a world empire, I suspect everyone will have to deal with US politics. Even places as remote from technological civilization as Afghanistan! Afghanistan uset to be the proverbial end-of-the-earth when I was little. -- hendrik -- Sun Jan 5 15:25:00 EST 2003 3:25pm up 18:33, 6 users, load average: 0.73, 0.56, 0.56 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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At 11:38 AM 1/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 01:37 am, you wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:22:43 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... and green. Todd Salut komrade! -- *likes electric blue...* But it doesn't exist in linux natively :( *Sniff sniff*... not even KDE has it :( The bastards! - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 9:23 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 11:38 AM 1/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 01:37 am, you wrote: On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:22:43 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... and green. Todd Salut komrade! -- *likes electric blue...* But it doesn't exist in linux natively :( *Sniff sniff*... not even KDE has it :( The bastards! Then you'd have loved the car I had before I retired - electric blue Toyota MR2 - 2-seat sports car, if you haven't seen one. My pride and joy - so sad to give it up. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 02:46, Dennis Sue wrote: Which is better KDE, or Gnome ? Whichever one you like the most, and find to be the best for you. That's the one that's better. How about these questions instead : Which is better: ...sorry, I have to counter these: 1- Linux with the ability to use different desktops. Or windows with no such ability? You can. Hoverdesk. DesktopX, Astonshell, Blackbox (believe it or not), Geoshell, Darkstep,Chroma - and heaps more... 2- Linux with the ability to toggle through desktops. Or windows with no such ability? You can. JSPager (free), MSVDM (with the XP powertoys), Hoverdesk, ObjectDesktop, Desktop/X... 3- Linux , because of the option to use different desktops, The ability to even ask this question. Or windows.. Windows is popular only due to marketing. OS/2, BeOS, Desqview/X would be around still if it wasn't for the mass marketing and choking of the rest. 4- If everbody in the world farted at the same time, what would happen to the polar ice caps? No - it would only stink. Badly. 5- If everbody in the world farted at the same time, And you just happened to light a match at that moment, Would it explode the entire world at once, Or simply set up a chain reaction? Because it's basically methane, it diffuses too quickly. People farting at the same time would most likely be standing up, hence giving the gases released more ability to diffuse and become less inflammable. -- Mon Jan 6 09:15:01 EST 2003 9:15am up 1 day, 12:23, 6 users, load average: 0.24, 0.26, 0.21 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * The vigor of civilized societies is preserved by the widespread sense that high aims are worth-while. Vigorous societies harbor a certain extravagance of objectives, so that men wander beyond the safe provision of personal gratifications. All strong interests easily become impersonal, the love of a good job well done. There is a sense of harmony about such an accomplishment, the Peace brought by something worth-while. - Alfred North Whitehead, 1963, in The History of Manned Space Flight Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 6:38 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. Ain't that true the world over? How many people really do? I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) Unfortunately two or three idiots can turn a world upside down. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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At 10:20 PM 1/5/2003 +, you wrote: Then you'd have loved the car I had before I retired - electric blue Toyota MR2 - 2-seat sports car, if you haven't seen one. My pride and joy - so sad to give it up. Anne I'm envious... I dont' drive nor do I own a car... neither by choice :P heh must have been a sad day to give that up - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 12:11, FemmeFatale wrote: At 10:20 PM 1/5/2003 +, you wrote: Then you'd have loved the car I had before I retired - electric blue Toyota MR2 - 2-seat sports car, if you haven't seen one. My pride and joy - so sad to give it up. Anne I'm envious... I dont' drive nor do I own a car... neither by choice :P heh must have been a sad day to give that up - FemmeFatale Wow - first woman to ever admit she cain't drive...(ducking) -- Mon Jan 6 12:25:01 EST 2003 12:25pm up 1 day, 15:33, 6 users, load average: 0.11, 0.19, 0.27 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport. -- Shakespeare, King Lear Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Ronald J. Hall wrote:
And Sir Robin...what the heck does a Turk know anyway. JK
I hear they're big on crusades
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We have to follow American politics pretty closely here, as we're in the
firing line!
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Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
But my how we have grown up, This thread (if started durring say the days when 7.0 was new) would have had at least some mention (and I could not resist) of how much better emacs is compared to vi. On Friday 03 January 2003 05:24 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Shit, I can't say I didn't tell you so ;-) Pitty it had to side off onto a political issue, probably one that most people bitching about it don't even understand anyway, LOL... and just to think, it was my fault. For this I'm truly truly sorry, really... Next time I'll leave out anything referring to American politics... it either ends in 500 mail chains, hard feelings, and even war :-) Sigh, oh well, it was fun reading though. Greetings Ralph Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Friday 03 January 2003 01:50 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 04 January 2003 12:14 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I think you're the only one that got it, Ron. It was a tongue in cheek deal... :-) Geez, ya gotta step lightly these days to avoid a crucifixion. jk landmines, landmines... :-) Well, the thread was worth it anyway; after all it got ET out of the woodwork. That usually means it was halfway interesting. jk Yeah, you know - when that guy gets quiet... :-) I had a motercycle accident back in the early part of Nov, and been typing with a cast on my arm, been reading everything, but was out of commission for a few days (got a rod installed in my thigh and was unconsious for three days) but yesterday I got the cast off the arm. But heck you guys are so fast with the answers I just get to read and learn. And Sir Robin...what the heck does a Turk know anyway. JK I hear they're big on crusades ducking, running, looking hard for cover! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. -- -- Jim --- james Mellema, CRNA ICQ # 19685870 Linux User 71650 --- The only people who like Microsoft are those who don't understand. When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged...Tim O'Reilly Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Actually, the team work, freeness (freedom), open source code, free market, less breaucratic (Microsoft, goverment like monsters), less regulation, freedom (originally slavery of course), responsibility, sharing, etc. are more republican or libertarian in nature. Canadian-Bruce Cockburn's- album The trouble with normal (it always gets worse), is a leftiest ake at normal. (culture morality) I'm alternative in nearly everything I do, from Linux to organic food production, Black/White reconciliation, restoration of Constitutional law, music, simple joyfull lifestyle, and in general taking on projects work that others say are impossible... SO I'm not so sure only liberal Democrats do not follow the norm... PS...FORGET Coke, fast food (greasy salt sugar), instant, institutions like school, plastic, pop music, junk literature... Enjoy being real. :) Keith On Saturday 04 January 2003 04:54 pm, james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. -- -- Jim --- james Mellema, CRNA ICQ # 19685870 Linux User 71650 --- The only people who like Microsoft are those who don't understand. When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged...Tim O'Reilly Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
*snip* I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. *endsnip* Well.. at least your mostly right. About everything except the KDE bit :p I'm a bit of a mis-gnomer myself.. but I like everything else you said. Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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This is off-topic, but a characterization of free software practices and sharing as more republican or libertarian in nature is also way off. Libertarians--which are really Republicans without a desire to regulate people's private practices (drug use, sexual practices)--are primarily concerned with the defense of private property from any state intervention. Free software undermines private property by keeping software in free, unrestrained public use. Free software is communally shared property. Libertarians are not opposed to regulation universally, only state intervention. Libertarians support unfree software licensing for example, and call any state support of free software intervention in the free market. Not exactly a recipe for cooperation. While I'm sure some libertarians depart from this ruthless attack on freedom, it's important to remember that the principal interest of libertarians is not protecting freedom, it is to protect private property. Of course, they do equate private property with freedom, but that's another discussion. Sorry about the off-topic stuff. BTW, neither is better. KDE and Gnome perform differently on every machine and distribution, for some reason. Dave On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 15:22, Keith wrote: Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Actually, the team work, freeness (freedom), open source code, free market, less breaucratic (Microsoft, goverment like monsters), less regulation, freedom (originally slavery of course), responsibility, sharing, etc. are more republican or libertarian in nature. Canadian-Bruce Cockburn's- album The trouble with normal (it always gets worse), is a leftiest ake at normal. (culture morality) I'm alternative in nearly everything I do, from Linux to organic food production, Black/White reconciliation, restoration of Constitutional law, music, simple joyfull lifestyle, and in general taking on projects work that others say are impossible... SO I'm not so sure only liberal Democrats do not follow the norm... PS...FORGET Coke, fast food (greasy salt sugar), instant, institutions like school, plastic, pop music, junk literature... Enjoy being real. :) Keith On Saturday 04 January 2003 04:54 pm, james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. -- -- Jim --- james Mellema, CRNA ICQ # 19685870 Linux User 71650 --- The only people who like Microsoft are those who don't understand. When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged...Tim O'Reilly Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Dave Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dave Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Saturday 04 January 2003 07:45 pm, you wrote: This is off-topic, but a characterization of free software practices and sharing as more republican or libertarian in nature is also way off. Libertarians--which are really Republicans without a desire to regulate people's private practices (drug use, sexual practices)--are primarily concerned with the defense of private property from any state intervention. Free software undermines private property by keeping software in free, unrestrained public use. Free software is communally shared property. Libertarians are not opposed to regulation universally, only state intervention. Libertarians support unfree software licensing for example, and call any state support of free software intervention in the free market. Not exactly a recipe for cooperation. While I'm sure some libertarians depart from this ruthless attack on freedom, it's important to remember that the principal interest of libertarians is not protecting freedom, it is to protect private property. Of course, they do equate private property with freedom, but that's another discussion. Sorry about the off-topic stuff. BTW, neither is better. KDE and Gnome perform differently on every machine and distribution, for some reason. Dave On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 15:22, Keith wrote: Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Actually, the team work, freeness (freedom), open source code, free market, less breaucratic (Microsoft, goverment like monsters), less regulation, freedom (originally slavery of course), responsibility, sharing, etc. are more republican or libertarian in nature. Canadian-Bruce Cockburn's- album The trouble with normal (it always gets worse), is a leftiest ake at normal. (culture morality) I'm alternative in nearly everything I do, from Linux to organic food production, Black/White reconciliation, restoration of Constitutional law, music, simple joyfull lifestyle, and in general taking on projects work that others say are impossible... SO I'm not so sure only liberal Democrats do not follow the norm... PS...FORGET Coke, fast food (greasy salt sugar), instant, institutions like school, plastic, pop music, junk literature... Enjoy being real. :) Keith On Saturday 04 January 2003 04:54 pm, james Mellema wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:49, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Whose is Norm? I vote for: KDE, libertarian, mechanist, Alaskan ANWAR oil exploration. -- -- Jim --- james Mellema, CRNA ICQ # 19685870 Linux User 71650 --- The only people who like Microsoft are those who don't understand. When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged...Tim O'Reilly I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael Shinobi a.k.a. 'alfalfa' Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Sat Jan 4 23:21:54 EST 2003 11:21pm up 4 days, 1:32, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= kernel, n.: A part of an operating system that preserves the medieval traditions of sorcery and black art. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:22, mike wrote: I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... ...and to think I moved to Australia to be away from US politics...I guess not... -- Sun Jan 5 15:25:00 EST 2003 3:25pm up 18:33, 6 users, load average: 0.73, 0.56, 0.56 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Saturday 04 January 2003 05:24 am, robin wrote:
{prepares boiling oil and mangonels}
We have to follow American politics pretty closely here, as we're in the
firing line!
Sir Robin
Robin, I'm glad you have a good sense of humor! :-)
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On Saturday 04 January 2003 09:08 am, et wrote: I had a motercycle accident back in the early part of Nov, and been typing with a cast on my arm, been reading everything, but was out of commission for a few days (got a rod installed in my thigh and was unconsious for three days) but yesterday I got the cast off the arm. But heck you guys are so fast with the answers I just get to read and learn. Hey, sorry to hear about that - glad you're recuperating though! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:22:43 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... and green. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Depends on what you mean by preferable. I use KDE. I prefer KDE. Judging by user numbers (based on many polls), KDE is used more and is therefore considered preferable by many. However, I have yet to find apps from either WM that won't run on the other, so I suppose it's all about personal choice at the end of the day. Cheers Jason mike wrote: I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: KDE has a superior architecture, and Republicans are far superior to Democrats. I'll stop at that point. ;) --LX roflol wiping tears from eyes :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome? On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: KDE has a superior architecture, and Republicans are far superior to Democrats. I'll stop at that point. ;) --LX roflol wiping tears from eyes :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Friday 03 January 2003 03:49 pm, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. Walt Well, I was being flip/funny with Lyvim - who I feel I know pretty well... BUT the last time a thread on a subject like this got started, it wasted a *whole* lot of bandwith So...lets not do that and say we did, okay? :-) PS and I am a Republican... smile -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 03:49:44PM -0500, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. If a Democrat were in power, it would be the same thing. The danger is in thinking that you have to be a Democrat or a Republican. There are alternatives (but you might not have a candidate to vote for!), but most people are too chicken-shit to vote for an alternative candidate, or a write in. People are mostly just too lazy. That's why people (the media) just talk about Republocrats. The way the word liberal is used in the US, liberals are a despicable lot. *ducks* Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome? On Thursday 02 January 2003 11:09 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: KDE has a superior architecture, and Republicans are far superior to Democrats. I'll stop at that point. ;) --LX roflol wiping tears from eyes :-) well,,, all joking to the point anyone that considers bloat (kde) better, then all i got to say is,,, thank god for Gnome (lmao at this) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 03:49:44PM -0500, walt wrote: Actually the only thing republicans are doing is creating an unnecessary war but that has nothing to do with linux.. besides, Linux users must be left wing liberal Democrats because they don't follow the norm.. If a Democrat were in power, it would be the same thing. The danger is in thinking that you have to be a Democrat or a Republican. There are alternatives (but you might not have a candidate to vote for!), but most people are too chicken-shit to vote for an alternative candidate, or a write in. People are mostly just too lazy. That's why people (the media) just talk about Republocrats. The way the word liberal is used in the US, liberals are a despicable lot. *ducks* Democrat or Republican is like Win98 or XP. Someone ought to put a line in the newbie-list FAQ that questions about GNOME and KDE just set us off on interminable OT posts. We just can't help it. Sir Robin -- Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it. - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 07:25, Robin Turner wrote: Democrat or Republican is like Win98 or XP. Someone ought to put a line in the newbie-list FAQ that questions about GNOME and KDE just set us off on interminable OT posts. We just can't help it. Sir Robin (g) - So everywhere other than the US is linux, ya reckon? Meanwhile, back at the ranch, whether one likes KDE or one likes GNOME is really neither here nor there - the fact remains that we're using LINUX...the fact that means the most and packs the most punch. Either which, both have their styles - both are growing more mature (or, rather, Gnome has re-org'd and become a reborn vision - KDE has stuck with their plan and are just getting better)...just sad that some window managers aren't getting any further than they could (Enlightenment)... But that's another story in and of itself... -- Sat Jan 4 08:20:00 EST 2003 8:20am up 3 days, 14:49, 3 users, load average: 0.82, 0.44, 0.39 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * So... did you ever wonder, do garbagemen take showers before they go to work? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Shit, I can't say I didn't tell you so ;-) Pitty it had to side off onto a political issue, probably one that most people bitching about it don't even understand anyway, LOL... and just to think, it was my fault. For this I'm truly truly sorry, really... Next time I'll leave out anything referring to American politics... it either ends in 500 mail chains, hard feelings, and even war :-) Sigh, oh well, it was fun reading though. Greetings Ralph -- http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them. -- George H. W. Bush Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Friday January 3 2003 04:24 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Sh[!+], I can't say I didn't tell you so ;-) Pitty it had to side off onto a political issue, probably one that most people bitching about it don't even understand anyway, LOL... and just to think, it was my fault. For this I'm truly truly sorry, really... OK, Star Trek -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 09:24, Ralph Slooten wrote: Shit, I can't say I didn't tell you so ;-) Pitty it had to side off onto a political issue, probably one that most people bitching about it don't even understand anyway, LOL... and just to think, it was my fault. For this I'm truly truly sorry, really... Next time I'll leave out anything referring to American politics... it either ends in 500 mail chains, hard feelings, and even war :-) Sigh, oh well, it was fun reading though. Greetings Ralph Especially having immigrated to Australia from the US, Ralph, I actually find it more than amusing...so why apologise? It's not their fault it's like watching a sitcom...(g) -- Sat Jan 4 10:45:00 EST 2003 10:45am up 3 days, 17:14, 4 users, load average: 0.79, 0.43, 0.30 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Just make a simple cake. And this time, if someone's going to jump out of it, make sure to put them in after you cook it. -Leela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Saturday 04 January 2003 12:14 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I think you're the only one that got it, Ron. It was a tongue in cheek deal... :-) Geez, ya gotta step lightly these days to avoid a crucifixion. jk landmines, landmines... :-) Well, the thread was worth it anyway; after all it got ET out of the woodwork. That usually means it was halfway interesting. jk Yeah, you know - when that guy gets quiet... :-) And Sir Robin...what the heck does a Turk know anyway. JK I hear they're big on crusades ducking, running, looking hard for cover! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Dijous 02 Gener 2003 21:45, en mike va escriure: I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? AFAIK both can run the apps made for the other (their necessary libraries are installed). Maybe things like bar docking applets won't work. - -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain AOL quini2k, ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+FKQIok8j9RhtetwRAphSAJ4rnb23fqIggqHJeyicV7/NHX3EngCdG3iE EesnjMNiKvq+kPqPruKGJgk= =sGcE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:45:50 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? Fluxbox ;-) Hehe, no but seriously, fluxbox utilizes both when it comes to running and docking. I'm sure it's the same with both Gnome and KDE, except for the docking part (I believe). I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Greetings Ralph -- http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them. -- George H. W. Bush Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thursday 02 January 2003 04:18 pm, you wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:45:50 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? Fluxbox ;-) Hehe, no but seriously, fluxbox utilizes both when it comes to running and docking. I'm sure it's the same with both Gnome and KDE, except for the docking part (I believe). I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Greetings Ralph I think I was more interested in the cross compatibility of Gnome and KDE programs than a personal opinion of which one is better.I know I get much better printing performance with GEdit than with any standard KDE editors even though I am using KDE.Happy Computing. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael Shinobi a.k.a. 'alfalfa' Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Thu Jan 2 16:35:11 EST 2003 4:35pm up 1 day, 18:44, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.10, 0.03 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mark's Dental-Chair Discovery: Dentists are incapable of asking questions that require a simple yes or no answer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:18:34 +0100 Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Same reply as in Gnome-KDE: no better, no worse, they're just *different* :-) Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:35:28 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was more interested in the cross compatibility of Gnome and KDE programs than a personal opinion of which one is better.I know I get much better printing performance with GEdit than with any standard KDE editors even though I am using KDE.Happy Computing. Dame here, with kppp; I use Gnome, but gnome ppp is not my choice... Till now, I had no trouble at all using KDE apps in Gnome; opposite wasn't going so smooth, at least with KDE 2... Smiley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
- Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome? I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? I agree with Ralph, neither is absolutely preferable as preference is a personal matter. Programs will run under either as long as the required libraries are present - most distributions will install libraries for both. I'm no expert in the subject, but technically I don't think either Gnome or KDE are window managers; they are desktop environments, into which you can plug window managers of your choosing. For example, Sawfish is (was?) the default window manager for Gnome. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thursday January 2 2003 03:18 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Star Trek and KDE -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Straight, hot coffee and a command line. ~Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pilagá Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome? El Jue 02 Ene 2003 21:49, Todd Slater escribió: I'm too poor to run those hogs, so I use Fluxbox, too. Star Trek, and Coca-Cola. Todd Here Star Trek and some well tempered and ancient cabernet sauvignon ;-) Pilagá Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 16:18, Ralph Slooten wrote: I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) KDE has a superior architecture, and Republicans are far superior to Democrats. I'll stop at that point. ;) --LX Greetings Ralph -- http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them. -- George H. W. Bush -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Ralph Slooten wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:45:50 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering what people think is the preferable window manager?I know some Gnome programs run under KDE.Do KDE programs run under Gnome? Fluxbox ;-) Hehe, no but seriously, fluxbox utilizes both when it comes to running and docking. I'm sure it's the same with both Gnome and KDE, except for the docking part (I believe). I would just like to add off before this turns into a 500 e-mail war here, but asking users their opinions between the 2 is like asking which is better: Democrat or Republican, Christian or Moslem, Star Wars or Star Trek ;-) Greetings Ralph Good God Ralph!!! everyone knows Star Trek is better. Thats a no brainer!! :) Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?
Smiley wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:35:28 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was more interested in the cross compatibility of Gnome and KDE programs than a personal opinion of which one is better.I know I get much better printing performance with GEdit than with any standard KDE editors even though I am using KDE.Happy Computing. Dame here, with kppp; I use Gnome, but gnome ppp is not my choice... Till now, I had no trouble at all using KDE apps in Gnome; opposite wasn't going so smooth, at least with KDE 2... Smiley Wait till you get a look at KDE3.1 final! I'm running KDE3.1RC5 and it's a KNockOUT! AT the moment Gnome hasn't got anything on KDE. MArk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
