Re: [newbie] Kernel update source/binary mismatch
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote: # urpmi kernel Everything already installed Finally, I did the following: # urpmi kernel-2.6.3.19 ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/ 10.0/RPMS/./kernel-2.6.3.19mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm ... And now it's downloading the new kernel binary! What's up with that? auto-select doesn't work with kernel binaries, but it does with kernel source? Shouldn't the two always be kept in sync? And why doesn't urpmi most times, yes, one would want them in sync if your intent is to build modules for your binary kernel kernel find the latest version of the kernel? Why should I have to specify which version I want? Very strange. urpmi --fuzzy kernel will return a list, if urpmi kernel doesn't All binary kernel packages have unique names, so you can have more than one installed at a time. (Can be handy if your new kernel won't boot your system for some reason). -- Stew Benedict Mandrakesoft --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel update woes
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:44:58 +0200 Pablo Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I experienced exactly the same when updating from 2.4.22-26 to 2.4.22-28. I searched the web and this list looking for answers and I found none. After several attepmts to run 'lilo' with different options (all unsuccessful with the same error message), I decided to be brave (I have a full back up of my system) and rebooted. To my surprise, all went well, but the system started with the old kernel. I guess this is because, as lilo failed, nothing was changed. So I think the links in /boot are used by LILO to update the boot loader, but the real paths to kernel, etc, are used in the boot loader. Then I entered 'lilo -v' (after changing all links in /boot to point to the new kernel), and this time there was no error. One more reboot and now I am running the latest kernel. | On advice from Mandrake Expert I have just installed the 2.4.22-28 kernel to | replace the 2.4.22-10 supplied with Mandrake 9.2 ProSuite. | When the RPM installed via urpmi an error occurred at the /sbin/lilo stage: | error regenerating lilo | The lilo.conf looked OK so I ran /sbin/lilo again and it returned | Fatal: volid read error. Thanks for the encouragement Pablo. Will give it a go. -- Len Lawrence -- QOTD: Every morning I read the obituaries; if my name's not there, I go to work. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel update woes
Hi, I experienced exactly the same when updating from 2.4.22-26 to 2.4.22-28. I searched the web and this list looking for answers and I found none. After several attepmts to run 'lilo' with different options (all unsuccessful with the same error message), I decided to be brave (I have a full back up of my system) and rebooted. To my surprise, all went well, but the system started with the old kernel. I guess this is because, as lilo failed, nothing was changed. So I think the links in /boot are used by LILO to update the boot loader, but the real paths to kernel, etc, are used in the boot loader. Then I entered 'lilo -v' (after changing all links in /boot to point to the new kernel), and this time there was no error. One more reboot and now I am running the latest kernel. Pablo Pablo Vitoria Garcia Dpto. Química Inorgánica, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad del País Vasco (UPV/EHU) Aptdo. 644 48080 Bilbao (Bizkaia) Tfno. 94 6015992 Fax. 94 4648500 - Original Message - From: Len Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: [newbie] Kernel update woes | On advice from Mandrake Expert I have just installed the 2.4.22-28 kernel to | replace the 2.4.22-10 supplied with Mandrake 9.2 ProSuite. | When the RPM installed via urpmi an error occurred at the /sbin/lilo stage: | error regenerating lilo | The lilo.conf looked OK so I ran /sbin/lilo again and it returned | Fatal: volid read error. | | Anybody know what that means? It could be a disk corruption I suppose, | something in the MBR sector, so I should be worried right? I cannot risk a | reboot with things the way they are because several links in /boot | have been reassigned in the direction of the new kernel, which would probably | lead to a kernel panic. The next stage would be to try and restore the old | links. | | -- | Len Lawrence | -- | There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum. | -- Arthur C. Clarke | -- | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com | Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel update woes
I tried kernels using urpmi also, but have reverted to the way I did them for years... Download and install the kernel sources for the new kernel. Download the rpm's for whichever variety of kernel(s) you want. Logon as root and install the rpms. Open etc/lilo.conf with an editor and make sure the stanza is there for every new kernel. Open a terminal as root and issue a lilo -v command. Reboot and try out the new kernels. If you are satisfied that the new kernel operates correctly, open lilo.conf again and change the default boot entry to the *label* of the kernel you want to boot as a default. As root, open a terminal and issue lilo -v That's all there is to it. Rick Kunath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Kernel update question [How to]
Running the RPM -ivh did add the new kernel's boot info to the bottom of lilo.conf, and it included the read-only directive. If/when I decide the move solely to the new kernel and nix the old kernel, should I remove this directive? The default boot info does not include this. What does it mean? -Original Message- From: skinky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Johnson, David; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [newbie] Kernel update question [How to] On Saturday 12 January 2002 10:01, Johnson, David wrote: | You've all been so helpful today...Here's another question: | | I'm going through the process of updating my kernel as detailed in | http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/2001/MDKSA-2001-079-1.php3 | and my question comes from this snippet of text where I'm supposed to | add something to lilo so I can boot to the old kernel if I need to: | | You will also want to create a new entry with the initrd and image | directives pointing to the old kernel's vmlinuz and initrd images so | you may also boot from the old images if required. | How do I make these additions to /etc/lilo.conf? After installing your kernel with # rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.x-xmdk.i586.rpm look in /boot where your new vmlinuz/images will have been installed. Sometimes the new kernel installation adds the new kernel vmlinuz (boot image) to /etc/lilo.conf for you (usually at the bottom of the file). If it has not already been added for you, add it yourself. For example when I installed a new kernel (2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise) I added: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise label=24163-1-1mdkent root=/dev/hda5 read-only optional vga=normal append= hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi devfs=nomount mem=1152M You can use similar parameters to your existing kernel listing in the lilo.conf file. The label can be anything you like so that you can identify it when lilo gives you the option at boot. If you want to make the new kernel your default to boot, just change the default= (near the top of the file) to your new kernel label. After saving the file, you must run lilo for changes to take effect. In a terminal as root: # lilo or # /sbin/lilo Then reboot and enjoy! skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel update question [How to]
On Saturday 12 January 2002 10:01, Johnson, David wrote: | You've all been so helpful today...Here's another question: | | I'm going through the process of updating my kernel as detailed in | http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/security/2001/MDKSA-2001-079-1.php3 | and my question comes from this snippet of text where I'm supposed to | add something to lilo so I can boot to the old kernel if I need to: | | You will also want to create a new entry with the initrd and image | directives pointing to the old kernel's vmlinuz and initrd images so | you may also boot from the old images if required. | How do I make these additions to /etc/lilo.conf? After installing your kernel with # rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.x-xmdk.i586.rpm look in /boot where your new vmlinuz/images will have been installed. Sometimes the new kernel installation adds the new kernel vmlinuz (boot image) to /etc/lilo.conf for you (usually at the bottom of the file). If it has not already been added for you, add it yourself. For example when I installed a new kernel (2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise) I added: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise label=24163-1-1mdkent root=/dev/hda5 read-only optional vga=normal append= hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi devfs=nomount mem=1152M You can use similar parameters to your existing kernel listing in the lilo.conf file. The label can be anything you like so that you can identify it when lilo gives you the option at boot. If you want to make the new kernel your default to boot, just change the default= (near the top of the file) to your new kernel label. After saving the file, you must run lilo for changes to take effect. In a terminal as root: # lilo or # /sbin/lilo Then reboot and enjoy! skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kernel update
Eric wrote: I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0 system. Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to get on the internet. I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to find it. I am out of ideas. Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates. Eric You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you _cannot_ update a kernel. You must download it and _install_ it. Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots. Civileme Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates. We have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at once. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kernel update
That's what I get for not rtfm! So do I have to reinstall the os? If I reinstall, I do have the 8.1 waiting in the background but just want to do an upgrade, not reformat everything. So I guess there is nothing I can do? Thanks for responding civileme. eric - Original Message - From: tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update Eric wrote: I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0 system. Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to get on the internet. I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to find it. I am out of ideas. Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates. Eric You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you _cannot_ update a kernel. You must download it and _install_ it. Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots. Civileme Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates. We have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at once. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] kernel update
Eric wrote: That's what I get for not rtfm! So do I have to reinstall the os? If I reinstall, I do have the 8.1 waiting in the background but just want to do an upgrade, not reformat everything. So I guess there is nothing I can do? Thanks for responding civileme. eric - Original Message - From: tester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update Eric wrote: I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0 system. Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to get on the internet. I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to find it. I am out of ideas. Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates. Eric You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you _cannot_ update a kernel. You must download it and _install_ it. Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots. Civileme Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates. We have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at Hmmm, no you are not that messed... Find your 8.0 install disk boot and open an xterm and su to root and rpm -e kernel-(version number instsalled) then reboot with your install CD in the machine Select expert mode and Update It will fuss and cluck figuring out all it has to do is install the kernel At individual package selection, toggle to the flat list and check that the kernel will be installed. Let it run its course--you can skip the networking section because it si already set up, and you can try to fine-tune X if you like... Let the bootloader be your friend Your system should then be restored. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel update
Gunnar, First, please try not to post htmlized e-mails to the list. Some e-mail clients add all kinds of extra html tags, reduce the size of the font such that it is unreadable, or change the color to a grayish color, making it much more difficult to read. In answer to your question, you would type 'rpm -ivh kernel-image-2.2.17-linmodem.1-2.i386.rpm' (without the quotes). Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 12:19 PM 06/17/2001 -0400, Gunnar Petersen wrote: I am a newbie with LM, have ltwin modem and is gonna upgrade the kernel, this kernel file is named kernel-image-2.2.17-linmodem.1-2.i386.rpm , how do I install it ?
Re: [newbie] Kernel update?
It's a hardware thing. If you have some hardware that may be better supported go for it. Otherwise, there are some drawbacks: No choice for power management, no graphical bootup, no supermount support, pmfirewall broken others. I'm sure there are probably some cures for the some of the above, but haven't figured it out as of yet. -s On Sunday 14 January 2001 09:27 pm, you wrote: This is probably a stupid question for some of you on this list,(and I am new with linux), but what advantages do I get with updating the kernel from the 2.2.17 to 2.4.0? I would imagination it is a plus for the software, but I would just like to know. It said "Close all open windows and restart. So I rolled up the windows and turned the key again. It just made the starter grind really bad and it got really hot in the car. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [newbie] kernel update error
Yep, make those soft links. A flashing red link means that the link is broken, and that it doesn't point to an existing file. So once you fix those links LILO should work just fine. I (again assume) that System.map-2.2.16-9mdksecure needs to be linked to System.map@ and vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdksecure needs a working link with vmlinuz-secure@. Should I just do a 'ln -s /boot/System.map-2.2.16-9mdksecure /boot/System.map' and 'ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-9mdksecure /boot/vmlinuz-secure' to create working links? Then run 'lilo -v' again to see if everything is hunky-dory? -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] kernel-update loaded, but installed?
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999,Chris Hanning wrote: | Hi, I'm a newbie - my first mail was sent a few hours ago and I see | Ive signed it root, e-mail : hostname etc | | Well, the problem with downloading the kernel update has me puzzled | quite frankly. I tried another ftp and it didn't skip me with an | error message but it DID use a local file because it never downloaded | 6MB in 10 seconds via my 28.8 modem?? | I took note of the lilo.conf manual update warning and guessed that | it required the line to be retyped *22mdk from the previous *4mdk. | The new files are in theboot dir along with the old ones but it | continues to boot vmlinuz-2.2.13-4mdk. | Could somebody please explain what I need to do here - I noted | Richard T Waters posting where he leaves an option to load either - | this may be useful for future hardware compatibility issues. | My apologies are proffered to those bored by my astounding ignorance | in matters linux; It is stable and so far the problems like sndconfig | etc have been more stimulating than w95-frustrating. | cheers Chris Hanning The solution to your problem is to run "lilo" from a command prompt as the "root" user. This will update the MBR. LILO uses the /etc/lilo.conf file as a script to write the boot loader. This gives you some ability to control how LILO works with your system, and how Linux is loaded, including which OS (if you choose to dual-boot) is the default, and which kernel is used (if you have more that one installed). To get more information on the use of LILO, try "man lilo" form a command line, or look in the HOW-TO's. Note that all command line commands are wrapped in quotes here. Do not use the quotes when entering the commands on the command line. HTH, -- Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The measure of a man is in his honor ...
Re: [newbie] Kernel Update
Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Dennis Robertson wrote: Hello list, I have been absent during a re-install of L-M6.1 to try to cure my problem with kppp disabling my desktop. I decided to go for broke and updated the kernel etc with the Mandrake update function on the desktop. All went well except for some annoying unintended consequences. Firstly, it takes exactly one minute for sendmail to start in the boot process, compared to a blink of the eye in the old configuration. Anyone know how to speed this up? Make sure your ip/hostname are correct and functioning properly Second, when I use the dreaded kppp I get : Error - This kernel has no PPP support, neither compiled in nor via the kernel module loader. To solve this problem see your system administrator (me) or install a kernel with PPP support. I click OK, the warning disappears and a fully functioning kppp panel appears. How do I fix it to get rid of the warning? I no longer have facilities to do ppp testing :( Third, I installed the mount update which is supposed to solve the floppy mounting problem, but it doesn't. I had to amend /etc/fstab to read: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,noauto,rw,exec 0 0 and it works. I'm not familiar with the bug in question, but it stands to reason one need manualy update fstab (we avoid this as much as posible) Last question. How do I create a boot disk for the new kernel? The install CD wouldn't let me. Do I amend the old boot disk or, since I have kept the old kernel, add the new kernel to the old boot disk? Thanks for any help. man mkbootdisk, mkbootdisk `uname -r` -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon Hello Axalon, Thanks for your input. I arbitarily changed the hostname and it corrected the sendmail problem. Why the new kernel would have changed an area of linuxconf that I have not dared to enter I don't know. Also I read man mkbootdisk and through trial and error rather than clear assistance I entered: mkbootdisk --device /dev/floppy 2.2.13-22mdk and it worked. Each time I made an error I got a clue about what to try next. Better than Riven! Surely it is possible to write a floppy mounting program that works? If you are not familiar with the problem try an install of L-M6.1 and then try to mount msdos and ext2 floppies. The default Fstab floppy entry is far removed from what is required. As for kppp, surely it would feature largely in a linux site to rival the Windows 98 Annoyances site. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 AUSTRALIA Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mobile: 0419 535539 Fax: Phone first.
RE: [newbie] Kernel Update
Title: RE: [newbie] Kernel Update This is an e-mail example that I've received today. -Mensaje original- De: Dennis Robertson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: lunes 29 de noviembre de 1999 13:09 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto:Re: [newbie] Kernel Update Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Dennis Robertson wrote: Hello list, I have been absent during a re-install of L-M6.1 to try to cure my problem with kppp disabling my desktop. I decided to go for broke and updated the kernel etc with the Mandrake update function on the desktop. All went well except for some annoying unintended consequences. Firstly, it takes exactly one minute for sendmail to start in the boot process, compared to a blink of the eye in the old configuration. Anyone know how to speed this up? Make sure your ip/hostname are correct and functioning properly Second, when I use the dreaded kppp I get : Error - This kernel has no PPP support, neither compiled in nor via the kernel module loader. To solve this problem see your system administrator (me) or install a kernel with PPP support. I click OK, the warning disappears and a fully functioning kppp panel appears. How do I fix it to get rid of the warning? I no longer have facilities to do ppp testing :( Third, I installed the mount update which is supposed to solve the floppy mounting problem, but it doesn't. I had to amend /etc/fstab to read: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,noauto,rw,exec 0 0 and it works. I'm not familiar with the bug in question, but it stands to reason one need manualy update fstab (we avoid this as much as posible) Last question. How do I create a boot disk for the new kernel? The install CD wouldn't let me. Do I amend the old boot disk or, since I have kept the old kernel, add the new kernel to the old boot disk? Thanks for any help. man mkbootdisk, mkbootdisk `uname -r` -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon Hello Axalon, Thanks for your input. I arbitarily changed the hostname and it corrected the sendmail problem. Why the new kernel would have changed an area of linuxconf that I have not dared to enter I don't know. Also I read man mkbootdisk and through trial and error rather than clear assistance I entered: mkbootdisk --device /dev/floppy 2.2.13-22mdk and it worked. Each time I made an error I got a clue about what to try next. Better than Riven! Surely it is possible to write a floppy mounting program that works? If you are not familiar with the problem try an install of L-M6.1 and then try to mount msdos and ext2 floppies. The default Fstab floppy entry is far removed from what is required. As for kppp, surely it would feature largely in a linux site to rival the Windows 98 Annoyances site. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 AUSTRALIA Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mobile: 0419 535539 Fax: Phone first.
Re: [newbie] Kernel Update
On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, you wrote: Last question. How do I create a boot disk for the new kernel? The install CD wouldn't let me. Do I amend the old boot disk or, since I have kept the old kernel, add the new kernel to the old boot disk? Thanks for any help. Get to a console prompt and type "mkbootdisk kernel" and replace kernel with the boot kernel name. Read the instructions in more detail with "man mkbootdisk" John
Re: [newbie] Kernel Update
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, you wrote: Also I read man mkbootdisk and through trial and error rather than clear assistance I entered: mkbootdisk --device /dev/floppy 2.2.13-22mdk and it worked. Each time I made an error I got a clue about what to try next. Better than Riven! Actually, you shouldn't have had to specify the device (and it would've been /dev/fd0 g) It *should* have been as easy as "mkbootdisk 2.2.13-22mdk" John
Re: [newbie] Kernel Update
On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Dennis Robertson wrote: Hello list, I have been absent during a re-install of L-M6.1 to try to cure my problem with kppp disabling my desktop. I decided to go for broke and updated the kernel etc with the Mandrake update function on the desktop. All went well except for some annoying unintended consequences. Firstly, it takes exactly one minute for sendmail to start in the boot process, compared to a blink of the eye in the old configuration. Anyone know how to speed this up? Make sure your ip/hostname are correct and functioning properly Second, when I use the dreaded kppp I get : Error - This kernel has no PPP support, neither compiled in nor via the kernel module loader. To solve this problem see your system administrator (me) or install a kernel with PPP support. I click OK, the warning disappears and a fully functioning kppp panel appears. How do I fix it to get rid of the warning? I no longer have facilities to do ppp testing :( Third, I installed the mount update which is supposed to solve the floppy mounting problem, but it doesn't. I had to amend /etc/fstab to read: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,noauto,rw,exec 0 0 and it works. I'm not familiar with the bug in question, but it stands to reason one need manualy update fstab (we avoid this as much as posible) Last question. How do I create a boot disk for the new kernel? The install CD wouldn't let me. Do I amend the old boot disk or, since I have kept the old kernel, add the new kernel to the old boot disk? Thanks for any help. man mkbootdisk, mkbootdisk `uname -r` -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] kernel-update loaded, but installed?
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, you wrote: Could somebody please explain what I need to do here - I noted Richard T Waters posting where he leaves an option to load either - this may be useful for future hardware compatibility issues. My apologies are proffered to those bored by my astounding ignorance in matters linux; It is stable and so far the problems like sndconfig etc have been more stimulating than w95-frustrating. Below is is what my lilo.conf file looks like now. I did a copy and paste to have two linux boot commands, one for the new kernal, one for the old. once this is done (and saved), be sure to update your MBR by typing the following: /sbin/lilo Before I made the switch to Mandrake I was running Redhat. There's some pretty straight forward information on kernal updates on this page: http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/docs/kernel-upgrade/kernel-upgrade.html **lilo.conf*** boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 other=/dev/hda1 label=win table=/dev/hda image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.13-7mdk label=oldlinux root=/dev/hda3 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.13-7mdk.img read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.13-22mdk label=linux root=/dev/hda3 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.13-22mdk.img read-only
Re: [newbie] Kernel update
Yes the 2.2.9-27 seem to resolve but I prefer to use 2.2.7 older but more stable (it' seem) --- Wilhelm Bertalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] scritto: A few days ago I installed Mandrake 6.0 on my PC and it was an almost completely painless installation, even for a newbie ;-)) However, sometimes I have a problem when shutting down - filesystems get not cleanly unmounted - which causes some delay on next startup and may (??) lead to data loss. From reading this list I understand this maybe associated with my kernel-version (2.2.9-19mdk) and I saw some newer versions in the "updates" dir. My question is: a) would updating eliminate my problem b) if yes, how to do it, i.e. which files to download and how to proceed - I suppose this could not be done from a running system?! I did my first install from hda (with some other os on it...) and Mandrake lives on hdb, booting from diskette. Any advice or FAQ out there? Regards Willy __ DO YOU YAHOO!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it
RE: [newbie] kernel update configure
On Mon, 17 May 1999, James J. Capone wrote: format /mbr will restore the MBR not sure about the FDISK one though. I just use the format mbr here at work when needed. I've never used the format /mbr, but I can vouch for fdisk /mbr. :)
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Because LILO is *ON* your MBR, so it must be removed from there. It isn't part of the directory structure of files stored on your harddrive. I'm not familiar with format /mbr, as perhaps it's from another DOS version -- I've used fdisk /mbr in similiar situations as yours and don't forsee a problem.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
"Donald J. Taylor" wrote: So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. Why do you think you want to upgrade the kernel? No, I'm not trying to be a quasi-psychoanalyst, just trying to understand. If you want to do it just to have done it, that's one thing (and it might be best to wait a while, until you know the OS better); if you need an upgraded kernel for some reason, that's another issue. In any case, what you found in /proc is not the same as what's supposed to be in /usr/src/linux. The /proc filesystem is artificial, and /proc/sys/kernel is what is actually running as the kernel on your system--it's not a file, it's actually the kernel image in your machine's memory. What's in /usr/src/linux is the kernel source code (if you installed the kernel-source package). The kernel file on your system is probably at /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36-something. Before proceeding, make sure you have a working boot disk, so if you mess something up, you can still bring your system up. Don't ask me how I know this. To upgrade to 2.2.x, first go to one of the mandrake mirrors, in the updates/kernel2.2 directory, and read (and print) the README file. Then go to updates/kernel2.2/RPMS/updates, and download the packages that README says you'll need--initscripts, linux_logo, modutils, mount, net-tools, and util-linux are needed, and possibly others as well. For the kernel itself, you have two options. First, you can download kernel-2.2.5-5mdk.i386.rpm from updates/kernel2.2/RPMS/kernel, if you just want to upgrade to 2.2.x, but don't want (or need) to compile a whole new kernel. Second, if you need (or want) to compile the whole thing from source (which I did), you can download the whole source tarball from a local ftp.kernel.org mirror (it's about 12 megs; you'll probably want linux-2.2.9.tar.gz unless you've installed bzip2 on your system). Once you've got all of that, install it, according to the directions you've already downloaded. I did not lose network services after upgrading (once I was able to get the machine to boot at all--see my earlier post on this subject). BTW, could you turn on line wrapping in your mail program? Thanks! -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
RE: [newbie] kernel update configure
well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader. But Patience is a virtue. Also I am non of the people you listed in your reply and Love running Linux. Once it can be used as a full game station then I will fully convert over. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 5:35 PM, Pliler Main Unit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
-Original Message- Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. If you view the contents of the CD in windows (if its still on your machine), you will see that there are HTML files on it. These are copies of the manual that Redhat used paper to print and some people never look at. Its a waste if not used. Using your browser of choice you can view these pages, which have been altered to reflect the changes made by Mandrake. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... Again look at the CD for the appropriate docs. Also see the many HOWTOs on the net and you made a good step coming here. I have learned a ton reading about the problems of others. There are a couple of not-so-newbies here answering the harder questions, the rest we help each other. So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? If you go to www.linux-mandrake.com there is a link on the main page to info on upgrading. See the left hand side of the page. I looked at it but haven't used it yet. The instructions seemed clear and there is another link to follow to find the current downloadable kernel RPM for Mandrake. Your almost there. Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED] Us newbies need to stick together and help each other. That being said I got a problem with Rip "A mind is a terrible thing."
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Pliler Main Unit wrote: But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. Define "nothing". Lots of stuff is installed w/ mandrake by default (like netscape)--does that work? If not, what happens? If it works but other stuff doesn't, _what_ other stuff doesn't work, and what happens when you try? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . All OSs have a Hardware Compatibility List, and if something isn't on the list, it's a fair bet it won't work. If the use of the USB modem was critical to you, why didn't you check out the Linux HCL before installing? Or, just set it up as a dual-boot, and use both OSs as needed (I think most Linux users set up their machines this way). Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. Intelligence has little to do with the it; it's more an issue of knowledge and attitude. If you start with the attitude that Linux ought to work instantly with all your hardware, without any tweaking, no matter how wierd your hardware is, and that everybody else ought to hand you all the answers on a silver platter, you won't get far with Linux (or anything else, most likely). If you figure from the outset that the system is very different from Windows (which it is, and always will be, no matter how close the UI comes), and that you'll need to learn a lot to be able to use it effectively, you'll do much better. As to the "code writers, programmer's" remark, hardly. I don't even think I'm a "supergeek", though some people might disagree with me there... For most tasks, you just have to be patient, find, and read the documentation. Again, when you set up a Linux box, you _are_ a system administrator, whether you want to be or not, and you need to act like one. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot from a MS-DOS floppy with FDISK.EXE on it, and type FDISK /MBR. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader. But Patience is a virtue. Also I am non of the people you listed in your reply and Love running Linux. Once it can be used as a full game station then I will fully convert over. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 5:35 PM, Pliler Main Unit [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Will - Original Message - From: Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: [newbie] kernel update configure OK, here goes...I'm jumping into Linux. Looks like an interesting operating system and besides, I think MS is at least arrogant and perhaps monopolistic, so we need to find something better. I am not an administrator and never will be, but I would like to use and learn the system as I believe the future may belong to an open system. I bought a copy of Redhat 5.2 at my local CompUSA. I ordered a copy of Linux-Mandrake from cheap bytes. No manuals from cheap bytes, living up to their name. I tried (on a 3.1 gig, freshly formatted hard drive with nothing else on it) to install Redhat. I could only get as far as the grey screen. I re-installed twice. Same deal. No one could help me get a windows interface running. So, I tried Mandrake and lo and behold, I got xwindows running right away. Three cheers for Mandrake and BOO to you, redhat! Wouldn't even answer my e-mail after I paid for their system. The screen works (well, almost. It is shrunken at 1024 X 768 but it works), the sound card talks to me and makes all of the .wav noises. With the help of some paid support, I was able to get on ibm.net, my ISP. Still can't get kppp to get me on the internet, but I'll figure that out someday. Now I have a redhat manual and a mandrake system. Nothing seems to match up, although Mandrake is supposed to be compatible with redhat. Sure... So now, I think I would like to upgrade my kernel (now that I know what one is) and have been studying all the information available at several locations. I downloaded and printed out the detailed instructions. I then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under ma
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
Hi Dan, I think I'm hopeless. What I mean, I tried to play the CD player, didn't work, altho its installed same with all other desktop apps , they seem have been installed, but don't seem to function. The only thing I've made work, is I know I can get some sound, and I mad e my printer print. The rest,is just some vast unknown, of what I could be capable of doing but don't know how. This was all in the x window , KDE desktop, I see lots of icons, and they won't operate anything. Will - Original Message - From: Dan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Pliler Main Unit wrote: But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. Define "nothing". Lots of stuff is installed w/ mandrake by default (like netscape)--does that work? If not, what happens? If it works but other stuff doesn't, _what_ other stuff doesn't work, and what happens when you try? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . All OSs have a Hardware Compatibility List, and if something isn't on the list, it's a fair bet it won't work. If the use of the USB modem was critical to you, why didn't you check out the Linux HCL before installing? Or, just set it up as a dual-boot, and use both OSs as needed (I think most Linux users set up their machines this way). Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. Intelligence has little to do with the it; it's more an issue of knowledge and attitude. If you start with the attitude that Linux ought to work instantly with all your hardware, without any tweaking, no matter how wierd your hardware is, and that everybody else ought to hand you all the answers on a silver platter, you won't get far with Linux (or anything else, most likely). If you figure from the outset that the system is very different from Windows (which it is, and always will be, no matter how close the UI comes), and that you'll need to learn a lot to be able to use it effectively, you'll do much better. As to the "code writers, programmer's" remark, hardly. I don't even think I'm a "supergeek", though some people might disagree with me there... For most tasks, you just have to be patient, find, and read the documentation. Again, when you set up a Linux box, you _are_ a system administrator, whether you want to be or not, and you need to act like one. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot from a MS-DOS floppy with FDISK.EXE on it, and type FDISK /MBR. -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
-Original Message- Donald J. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you view the contents of the CD in windows (if its still on your machine), you will see that there are HTML files on it. These are copies of the manual that Redhat used paper to print and some people never look at. Its a waste if not used. Using your browser of choice you can view these pages, which have been altered to reflect the changes made by Mandrake. ^^^ Don, I beg to differ! I see nothing in these pages to indicate they have been changed at all by Mandrake. Being one of the rare breed who actually read manuals, I've noticed there is quite a difference 'tween RedHat 5.2 and Mandrake 5.3. Sussing out the diff's has been quite entertaining. Good thing I have lots of time on my hands. Mandrake does have documentation on the CD. You have to dive into Mandrake/en/userguid to get started, since the index.html file in /Mandrake is BLANK. And then there are the HOW-to's, brought to you by the ad-hoc geek committee. Linux is fun! Lorne.
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Pliler Main Unit wrote: Hi Don, Me like you are new to this OS, and I have my 5.3 working. But when I go into the KDE desktop as a user, nothing seems to be installed, or working , apps that is. What happens when you try to start a program on the menus? I am very frustrated already, as I have a USB modem, and know it will never (at least under this config) be supported. So how can I even think of giving up MS win98, I cAn't . Beginning USB support is showing up in the 2.2.x line of kernels, I don't know if modems are supported yet. Seems like all users are supposed to be supergeeks, code writers, programmer's. NOt just a fairly intelligent guy, like you or me. That's not what Linux is about. However, you can find plenty of helpful information about running/using/configuring Linux in the /usr/doc directories. I am ready to bAil, if some one tells me how to delete this LILO, so I won't have it on my C drive. Boot into dos and type 'fdisk /mbr' and LILO will disappear. -- Steve Philp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For safety's sake of Win98 I'd boot to DOS. Then issue commands: cd \windows\command fdisk /mbr That should restore the mbr to boot dos/win. From there you can take care of removing Linux. (all i seem to get with format /mbr is ``invalid switch - /mbr``perhaps this works with other versions?) (I'm running win95 OSR2 4.00.950B) Rob Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: Hi James, and Rob, BTW, I do have Dos on my machine, (windows98), and I certainly don't want to mess this MBR up for it, trying to remove LINUX, so make sure you are telling me the way that only removes it. Thanks Will - Original Message - From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
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James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will
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James, I haven't definitely decided to do away with Linux yet, just want to be able to when or if I decide. Thanks, Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
fdisk /mbr from the dos prompt will do it. Lyndon Lininger Sr. - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:40 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure format /mbr will restore the MBR not sure about the FDISK one though. I just use the format mbr here at work when needed. James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:45 PM, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
RE: [newbie] kernel update configure
That is my fault. The one here at work has it as format /mbr for a script file they wrote. It is Fdisk /mbr James On Monday, May 17, 1999 8:03 PM, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: For safety's sake of Win98 I'd boot to DOS. Then issue commands: cd \windows\command fdisk /mbr That should restore the mbr to boot dos/win. From there you can take care of removing Linux. (all i seem to get with format /mbr is ``invalid switch - /mbr``perhaps this works with other versions?) (I'm running win95 OSR2 4.00.950B) Rob Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: Hi James, and Rob, BTW, I do have Dos on my machine, (windows98), and I certainly don't want to mess this MBR up for it, trying to remove LINUX, so make sure you are telling me the way that only removes it. Thanks Will - Original Message - From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update configure Refresh my memory. Is it FDISK /MBR that restores the master boot record, or does format /mbr do something to the same effect? Rob "James J. Capone" wrote: well if you want to get rid of Linux and remove Lilo from the boot record from the c prompt in DOS. you must boot into dos not be in windows. type this C:\ format /mbr That means format Master Boot Record. that will remove the Lilo boot loader.
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Donald J. Taylor wrote: then check to find my kernel and guess what? It is not where it is supposed to be, at least not according to the documentation. Mine is in /proc/sys/kernel not /usr/src/linux. So much for the directions. /proc/sys/kernel is not a physical location in the hard disk. It is similar to a RAM drive that Linux creates every boot time so that system processes info are accessible from the ext2 filesystem. Your kernel sources are still on the CD. You just need to install them since they are not included during the installation. Gilbert I suppose that is where it is normally found under Mandrake 5.3, which is (I now know) running on my computer. It would really be nice if there was some information somewhere that would make some of these things available. I am not lazy and would gladly look up the proper information, but it sure is frustrating to try and find something; when everyone that is already using linux assumes that anyone just starting must already know all of this stuff! I have news for you. We DON'T! But we want to support the concept and would like to learn. Please be patient with our ignorance. Most of us are not stupid, just ignorant. I happen to have an airline transport type rating in the 747-400. If you came up in the cockpit with me, I could make you look pretty stupid if I wanted to, but that wouldn't make me any smarter, so I would not do that. enough said... How, please, does one upgrade from 2.0.36 to the new 2.2 kernel under mandrake 5.3? If I do this, will I destroy my cofiguration for getting on the internet through control panel, network, interfaces and highlighting and clickin on my ppp0 interface? Thanks for any help [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] kernel update configure
You can't access the MBR using delete. When LILO is gone dos should replace it with its own boot record. Format will rebuild it for you without erasing the data in your HD. Gilbert On Mon, 17 May 1999, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail wrote: James, Why can't I just delete this file that was created by the LILO install, I assume its a hidden file on my C drive? Any thing to do with format, makes me believe it wipes the MBR clean. Will - Original Message - From: James J. Capone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] kernel update configure Hello, Well stability for one. No need to reboot everytime you upgrade something. Nothing is hidden from you, Better use of space and speed of your computer. Many other reasons. I guess we all have our reasons one or the other. But if you run the format /mbr that will remove Lilo from your boot record and boot right into Windows 9.xxx Good Luck and sorry Linux didn't work out for you, James J. Capone Webmaster http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/Linux Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co-Author - Linux Book For Newbies. "The Only Person To Hear Both Sides Of A Argument Is The Guy In The Apartment Next To Yours!" On Monday, May 17, 1999 6:43 PM, Pliler's Remote Unit Mail [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Hi James, I just bought (yes paid $55 for the LM, thru Circadian soft\ware), because I'm retired with lots of time on my hands. I also was influenced by the ZDTV guys who keep hyping how great this OS is. I don't play games, and my only use would be to do the net. and I can't with my modem even give that a try., So why do I need it, I can't name one reason. I just wasted $55. Will
Re: [newbie] Kernel update
Richard, I hope you won't see this as a silly question but what's the website address from where you downloaded the Mandrake RPM kernel? Richard On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I just downloaded the RPM (kernel-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm) update kernel for Mandrake. When I try to install it with either "-ivh" or "-Uvh" it says: kernel 2.2.0 conflicts with nscd-2.1.1-16mdk kernel 2.2 conflicts with raidtools-0.90-5mdk I'm just curios what this is about. If the RPM won't let me install, I'll just have to compile a kernel from the new sources. Richard
Re: [newbie] Kernel update
I downloaded it from one of mirros listed on Madrake's update site. I think it was ftp.sunsite.utk.edu. On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: Richard, I hope you won't see this as a silly question but what's the website address from where you downloaded the Mandrake RPM kernel? Richard On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I just downloaded the RPM (kernel-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm) update kernel for Mandrake. When I try to install it with either "-ivh" or "-Uvh" it says: kernel 2.2.0 conflicts with nscd-2.1.1-16mdk kernel 2.2 conflicts with raidtools-0.90-5mdk I'm just curios what this is about. If the RPM won't let me install, I'll just have to compile a kernel from the new sources. Richard
