Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
On 6/20/12 1:42 AM, drew wrote: On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:21 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 00:14 +0200, RGB ES wrote: 2012/6/20 drew jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com: List Conduct Policy 1. What Happens on the list, stays on the list: Anything you read in the private list is by default a private PPMC affair and not to be spoken of, or copied to, other people who are not in the PPMC. If you think about it, most topic threads probably should be in the public lists, except choosing committers and PPMC members, and a very few other topics. In fact, all email lists or email conversations have this aspect of privacy. Even if there are 23000 subscribers on the list, it is assumed that privacy will be maintained and a list member's name and location will not be disclosed in some public venue where personal privacy is not expected, such as published in a newspaper or some other. hi, I would disagree with that last statement completely - a public list is just that, public, and there should be absolutely no expectation of privacy whatsoever. To pretend otherwise is simply to lie to those who would use the list. //drew Point one refers to the private lists, I think. Maybe add a point zero with an introduction to the mailing lists, as Ross asked? Not a detailed introduction, just to say most lists are public but one is private. Then the code of conduct can be separated on a general part that apply to all lists and a second part with additional rules (for instance, the privacy one) for the private list. Ricardo OK if that is really just about private lists, but the last sentence read to me as if it was broader. Anyway - to be honest I find the whole subject rather silly. Does anyone really need to be told that what happens on a private list is by definition to be held in confidence? //drew Well, Drew, I think this is why this whole discussion started. Most of us would think the answer to your question is no, but, well, apparently there was some looser interpretation that some felt needed clarification. Not at all - someone violated that trust, everyone knew it was wrong, there didn't need to be rules written for folks to know that. But that is just my opinion of course. +1 and often thinking twice before answering helps also. People shouldn't simply follow some rules, more important is to understand, to listen and if necessary the ability to adapt/change the own behaviour. Write never something that conflicts with the general rules on mailing lists and never write something that you wouldn't like to read abut yourself ;-) Juergen Anyway, Wolf, this is really good. I think this would be better posted as just a link on the project site, http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/, under the Mailing Lists link, and give more clarification on item #1 that this most importantly applies to private mailing lists. Drew's right that we don't want to mislead people to think anything else is private. I think maybe it's a bit lengthy to add to a welcome message to list subscribers.
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: proposing Bug 118057 [filter] word 2003 XML (wordml) filters broken as release blocker
+1 from my view. I have checked the fix. It has a very high benefit to risk ratio it could be good for AOO 3.4.1. 2012/6/20 Lin Yuan yuanlin@gmail.com This is a regression introduced in OOo 3.4 beta in cws sw34bf03. Now in AOO 3.4, import and export as Microsoft Word 2003 XML format can not work completely. This issue is critical for UOF file format support and the user who wants to load/save MS Word 2003 XML format files. Michael Stahlm...@openoffice.org already fix it and the patch is attached in Bug 118057. I have updated the patch for lastest AOO 3.4 source code. The root cause is simple: in cws sw34bf03, it moved XSLTFilterOLEExtracter.java but didn't update all the path in .xsl files. So I think the fix effort and risk is low for this bug. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118057 [2] cws sw34bf03: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO340/rev/d75f5b0f6217 Lin Yuan -- Best regards Lei Debin
Re: Draft Blog Post: 5 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice
On 6/20/12 4:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=5_million_downloads_of_apache The numbers stand at 4,994,262. So we'll hit 5M before I wake up tomorrow. The post announces that and then gives a general project update, concentrating on 3.4.1 and the Symphony merge discussion. It then ends with a general call for volunteers. Is there anything else we want to include? I like it very much, short but it includes many useful information and giver some outlook and where people can start. I will follow up soon with more information regarding translations ... Juergen
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
+1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
On 6/20/12 8:31 AM, Yan Ji wrote: +1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 I can't reproduce it, I watched the video and tried it with my own simple representation. It works as expected. Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
I also tired on my OO3.4, can reproduce this problem. 2012/6/20 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/20/12 8:31 AM, Yan Ji wrote: +1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 I can't reproduce it, I watched the video and tried it with my own simple representation. It works as expected. Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1][DEV-BUILD]: propose first dev snapshot build for AOO 3.4.1 based on revision 1351633
On 6/19/12 9:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/19/12 4:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120036 New translations are release blockers, so I expect this to be considered a 3.4.1 blocker with no need for discussion. we should at least discuss if we want to release the language ;-) No default mechanism ... Well, everything happened on this list, and it has happened since June 1st, so people had plenty of time to comment. It was OK for Kay, me and you. You wrote that you would take care of including Slovenian in 3.4.1 and nobody opposed. I'd say lazy consensus has already been reached, but if anyone has anything against including Slovenian in 3.4.1 he can just write here or in the aforementioned issue. I can't read Slovenian, but since the guys have translated OpenOffice.org for years I'm confident about the translation quality. don't get me wrong I am happy to include new languages but my comment was more to a general rule. Common consensus on single proposal are fine ;-) Juergen
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1][DEV-BUILD]: propose first dev snapshot build for AOO 3.4.1 based on revision 1351633
On 6/20/12 7:06 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Jürgen, On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 01:15:31PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, I would like to propose that we prepare the first set of dev snapshots for AOO 3.4.1 based on the revision r1351633. We will start from now on to build and provide a dev snapshot every week for testing purposes. We can include Finnish and British English already because I have update both languages ones for testing. Languages for now: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fi fr gl hu it ja nl ru pt-BR zh-CN zh-TW I forgot to ask if these are really developer snapshots (no system integration, install as ooo-dev), or normal install sets. I think dev builds make most sense for now, sorry I was not clear enough Thanks for pointing this out Juergen Regards
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
On 6/20/12 8:47 AM, dongjun zong wrote: I also tired on my OO3.4, can reproduce this problem. mmh, strange it works well for me, I used the build 9590, revision 1327774 from April 19th which should be the released version when I am not wrong Juergen 2012/6/20 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/20/12 8:31 AM, Yan Ji wrote: +1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 I can't reproduce it, I watched the video and tried it with my own simple representation. It works as expected. Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
Just try to insert four paragraph in outline text box and apply animation to each paragraph. Play screen show you will hit the problem. Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/12 8:31 AM, Yan Ji wrote: +1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 I can't reproduce it, I watched the video and tried it with my own simple representation. It works as expected. Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
Re: Translation testing
Hi, Crazy idea. Would something like this work: 1) We do a one-time effort of getting screen shots of all dialogs and other localized UI elements. 2) In Photoshop or Gimp, remove all the localized text 3) Take PO files and have a script generate a set of HTML pages that display each of the UI screen shots, with the translated text displayed in place. how about implementing an edit mode for UI elements into AOO where you can edit each menu item and each string within dialogs within a running application and where you can collect all changes from within one edits directory afterwards ? Just an idea... Kind regards, Joost
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1][DEV-BUILD]: propose first dev snapshot build for AOO 3.4.1 based on revision 1351633
On 6/20/12 9:00 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/12 7:06 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Jürgen, On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 01:15:31PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, I would like to propose that we prepare the first set of dev snapshots for AOO 3.4.1 based on the revision r1351633. We will start from now on to build and provide a dev snapshot every week for testing purposes. We can include Finnish and British English already because I have update both languages ones for testing. Languages for now: en-US ar cs de en-GB es fi fr gl hu it ja nl ru pt-BR zh-CN zh-TW I forgot to ask if these are really developer snapshots (no system integration, install as ooo-dev), or normal install sets. I think dev builds make most sense for now, sorry I was not clear enough Thanks for pointing this out mmh, we should increase the build ID as well, it is still 9590 Can we use revision 1351960? Sorry, I have to switch in release mode again ;-) Juergen Juergen Regards
Re: Interesting Result of Wishlist
KG01 - See comments inline. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: Dear all, A message was posted to the OpenOffice Google+ page, titled [DISCUSS] What is the most important issue you'd like to be fixed or improved on OpenOffice?, and got interesting replies. https://plus.google.com/114598373874764163668/posts/8MJi9Hh3EmL KG01 - This is great. Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the community. Not sure if all the replies are constructive. Some may be too vague. But it still returned interesting result that we can work on with. P.S. Replies from Peter Lairo are especially clear and specific. KG01 - Harvesting data from this social media site and others will be a challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that most threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable. I have created a number of pages on the AOO UX wiki to capture this data. For example, see the Google+ Data page [1] to capture any key insights from this conversation. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B This was pretty interesting actually. In addition to Peter Lairo's, the calc issues with opening large sheets were pretty good, though I've never dealt with any sheet of the size Belisan Surin uses. KG01 - This is a great example of some insight that we could harvest from the DISCUSSION and capture in the AOO UX wiki. Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, social data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. KG01 - *Can someone with access to Google+, I cannot see this page, harvest the actionable, relevant data from this conversation and capture in the AOO Google+M Data wiki page?* KG01 - As a reminder, some AOO contributors are behind the Golden Shield and cannot access some social media sites. Capturing such data in the wiki ensures it is open and available to all. Thanks for the update. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw MzK
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
On 6/20/12 9:07 AM, Yan Ji wrote: Just try to insert four paragraph in outline text box and apply animation to each paragraph. Play screen show you will hit the problem. ok I tried again with 4 bullet points instead of 3 before and it also works as expected. I am running on MacOS 10.7.4 I am not able to reproduce this problem with my version Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/12 8:31 AM, Yan Ji wrote: +1 It's regression issue, the function works in OO 3.3. Propose fix it in 3.4.1 I can't reproduce it, I watched the video and tried it with my own simple representation. It works as expected. Juergen Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hi, I filed a bug report tonight for Impress in Mac OS X. In this Impress bug, animations do not follow an specified order. To review it go to the following address: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120037 I find that this bug is similar to one I reported earlier in Impress for Windows. Many thanks for any assistance on this matter! -- Best, Michael
[CODE][BUILD]: notification - new configure is required after updating to latest revision
Hi, just to inform you about a necessary required new configure step after updating the latest revisions on both trunk and AOO34. I made some change to some build meta information data in solenv/inc/minor.mk. The changed SOURCERVERSION from AOO340 to AOO341|AOO350 triggered a check in solenv/inc/settings.mk to compare SOURCEVERSION with WORK_STAMP which will fail and no make file works. Probably this check can be removed but I would like to understand more about the thing before I remove anything. More cleanup work for the future. The check will at least ensure that you don't build the branch version with an configured env for trunk. A fresh clean configure solves the problem. Juergen
Re: [Blocker] Bug 120037 - Animations in Impress do not follow specific order...
On 20.06.2012 09:40, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/20/12 9:07 AM, Yan Ji wrote: Just try to insert four paragraph in outline text box and apply animation to each paragraph. Play screen show you will hit the problem. ok I tried again with 4 bullet points instead of 3 before and it also works as expected. I am running on MacOS 10.7.4 I am not able to reproduce this problem with my version Armin recently fixed something similar. This could be a duplicate. Can anybody reproduce this bug on a current developer version? -Andre
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: proposing Bug 118057 [filter] word 2003 XML (wordml) filters broken as release blocker
On 6/20/12 8:21 AM, debin lei wrote: +1 from my view. I have checked the fix. It has a very high benefit to risk ratio it could be good for AOO 3.4.1. fix available and reviewed, so it looks fine for me to include it for 3.4.1. Debin, Will you take care of the fix for 3.4.1 on the AOO34 branch ones you have the commit rights ;-) +1 for the fix Juergen 2012/6/20 Lin Yuan yuanlin@gmail.com This is a regression introduced in OOo 3.4 beta in cws sw34bf03. Now in AOO 3.4, import and export as Microsoft Word 2003 XML format can not work completely. This issue is critical for UOF file format support and the user who wants to load/save MS Word 2003 XML format files. Michael Stahlm...@openoffice.org already fix it and the patch is attached in Bug 118057. I have updated the patch for lastest AOO 3.4 source code. The root cause is simple: in cws sw34bf03, it moved XSLTFilterOLEExtracter.java but didn't update all the path in .xsl files. So I think the fix effort and risk is low for this bug. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118057 [2] cws sw34bf03: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO340/rev/d75f5b0f6217 Lin Yuan
Re: Slovak language
Ok. Be so good. I 'll be waiting. Have a good day. Regards, Michal Hriň -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: Re: Slovak language On 6/18/12 7:57 PM, Risto Jääskeläinen wrote: Hello I am just a Finnish localizator and I have only contributor rights to Pootle. So what I can do to help? 1) Here is link about rights to Pootle: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/translate+pootle+service+auth+levels If only I have that right to Can download archives of a translation project then it would be possible to send you total slovak package from Pootle It would be possible to translate as offline and then send the package via the issue tracker (if 1MB). Now it is possible to you made suggestions into Pootle for Slovak translations. But if there is nobody else who understand the language ... So you need some more rights to Apache Pootle or some more powerfull friend to send to you the package. I will prepare the po files for you and will send you the files tomorrow. The esiest way to get started is to work offline for now. I will send you further info with the po files (and will create general docu). Welcome on board and thanks for joining the project Juergen I hope you find somebody. Regards, Risto Michal Hriň [michalh...@aol.com] kirjoitti: Hi everyone, I am Michal Hriň, unemployed student, so I got some free time for participation. There is no Slovak language pack for AOO. First time I would like to translate the files on Pootle server, but there is no option for registration. Can you help me create a Slovak Language pack ? Regards, Michal Hriň
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: proposing Bug 118057 [filter] word 2003 XML (wordml) filters broken as release blocker
2012/6/20 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/20/12 8:21 AM, debin lei wrote: +1 from my view. I have checked the fix. It has a very high benefit to risk ratio it could be good for AOO 3.4.1. fix available and reviewed, so it looks fine for me to include it for 3.4.1. Debin, Will you take care of the fix for 3.4.1 on the AOO34 branch ones you have the commit rights ;-) Ok, I will take care of the fix for 3.4.1, when I have the right. +1 for the fix Juergen 2012/6/20 Lin Yuan yuanlin@gmail.com This is a regression introduced in OOo 3.4 beta in cws sw34bf03. Now in AOO 3.4, import and export as Microsoft Word 2003 XML format can not work completely. This issue is critical for UOF file format support and the user who wants to load/save MS Word 2003 XML format files. Michael Stahlm...@openoffice.org already fix it and the patch is attached in Bug 118057. I have updated the patch for lastest AOO 3.4 source code. The root cause is simple: in cws sw34bf03, it moved XSLTFilterOLEExtracter.java but didn't update all the path in .xsl files. So I think the fix effort and risk is low for this bug. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118057 [2] cws sw34bf03: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO340/rev/d75f5b0f6217 Lin Yuan -- Best regards Lei De Bin
[UX] Harvesting social data
Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight, feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future product direction. Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost. To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none. All are encouraged to capture and post data in the AOO UX wiki [1]. See the Google+ Data wiki page [2] for an example of how we might capture social data. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin
[HELP REQUIRED]: edit reference version on the website
Hi, I need some help. I have updated the generated reference documentation on api.openoffice.org. where I have not changed the related css files. Ok I have checked in the files but they are not yet published. On top of the page is a string Content for OpenOffice.org version 3.3.. I haven't found the string and would like to know where I can find and edit it for now. I don't really like the current layout anymore and would like to rework the whole page in the future. But that is a different topic ;-) Thanks Juergen
Re: Should we start posting regular dev snapshot builds for 3.4.1 or 3.5?
On 6/15/12 6:32 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 6/14/2012 11:05 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: snip Do you know which compiler we use on the builds bots, do we use the professional version? We should ensure to enable ATL and ActiveX on the build bots as well. To date we have used the Express version of the compiler - thus the lack of ATL ActiveX I am in the process of upgrading to VS Professional - but currently there are some disk space issues. I have a clean fresh 1TB disk at home (sata, 3,5), should I donate it ;-) This should move forward in the next few days. perfect Juergen Andrew Juergen A. Juergen
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
On 19.06.2012 18:37, Stuart Swales wrote: [...] Please don't merrily discard the English language variant dictionaries - they are really really important. The reason for wanting to drop some of the english extensions is not a disregard for (of?) the english language and its variants. In older versions of OpenOffice only the dict-en extension was included. It is probably my fault that there are now five dictionary extensions. I added the functionality for downloading and integrating the extensions into the installation sets and used the information on [1] to setup the initial list of extensions to bundle. Maybe the time has come to reduce that list to what is really needed. dict-en seems to support the variants (AU,CA,GB,US,ZA). I say seems because I am neither a linguist nor do I have information beyond what the pages in the extension repository provide (see links to english dictionaries on [1]). I don't know if the separate dictionaries for AU,NZ,CA, and US contain anything that is not already included in dict-en. If you or anybody else have/has more information then please share that with the rest of us so that we can make a decision based on facts whether to keep or to drop the extensions. -Andre [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bundled+Writing+Aids
Re: Question about text clipping mechanism in word processor
Hi, On 20.06.2012 10:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to handle a bug on text clipped in document . See Bug 119476https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119476 for more details. After investigation, I have some insights. When paragraph line spacing is smaller than font size, the text contained becomes too large for fit, then AOO will clipped text as Incomplete part. The code for text clipped mechanism can be located in method SwTxtFormatter::CalcRealHeight(..) at sw\source\core\text\itrform2.cxx line 1756. I thought that the preferable way to fix this would be to considering the spacing contains above paragraph spacing property and line spacing property as the conditions to determine whether clipping text. e.g. Clipped text if the sum of adding above paragraph spacing and line paragraph spacing is smaller than font size, otherwise do not clip text since above paragraph spacing and line spacing are enough to display the text. From my point of view this change makes sense. If the text of the first line of a paragraph founds enough space in the above paragraph spacing, the text should not be clipped. I had already looked at the patch and it looks ok. I will have a deeper look regarding how to determine the value of above paragraph spacing. As far as I remember in some cases depending on certain compatibility option, the above paragraph spacing is not applied. E.g., if the paragraph is the first on a page and compatibility option Add paragraph and table spacing at tops of pages ... is not checked, the above paragraph spacing is not applied. May be I find a solution to access the already calculated and applied above paragraph spacing. Noticed that there is a property named below paragraph spacing, but I'm not sure whether there is a need to consider this one, Do this property impact text clipped in paragraph? May be - I am not sure. Thus, a paragraph could have a below paragraph spacing and the first text line of the following paragraph could be to small. This would cause clipping, but may be the below paragraph spacing from the previous paragraph could be used to avoid the clipping. From my point of view avoid the clipping in this case would also make sense. May be my above mentioned further investigation regarding the available space above the first text line of a paragraph would solve this, too. Zuojun, do you know how MS Word will behave in this case? Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [VCLAuto] Problems with build.xml
when you run build.xml via ant(select ant 2),please don't select test in configuration check box,only select the prepare.dependencies.Hope can help you~ On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all I try to run VCLAuto, the new GUI Testtool. I settet up a Win 7 VM for it and I followed the guide on the wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto But if I try to run build.xml via ant, to get the junit.jar, I got the following error: http://pastebin.com/ZRc3frep Turning the firewall of does not help. Can I simply load the junit.jar manualy, or is there an other problem. Thanks for help. Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Windows 8 certification
We have five issues for Windows 8 certification. The importance of these issues are flagged as 'blocker'. Have we ever made the decision that we want to have a Windows App Certification for AOO? If yes this 'blocker' flag might be ok, if not, we should remove this flag and declare them as a 'normal' bugs. Groetjes, Olaf BTW: We should introduce Windows 8 as 'Platform' in issuezilla.
Re: Question about text clipping mechanism in word processor
Hi, Fan I have extracted parameter from first paragraph in sample file 1 Spacing before paragraph 18pt in doc file 2 above-paragraph-spacing in SvxULSpaceItem: 360 3 line-spacing of said para in doc file: 12pt 4 line-spacing of said para in SvxLineSpacingItem:240 Seems that the value mapping works, Looking forward to your further response:) 2012/6/20 Fan Zheng zheng.easy...@gmail.com Hi ZJ: Sorry, perhaps I missed something. Would you please give me following data of this specified sample file? 1. The exact value of the above-paragraph-spacing of said para, recorded in the DOC file; 2. The exact value of the above-paragraph-spacing of said para, recorded in SvxULSpaceItem, when trying to format it; 3. The exact value of the line-spacing of said para, recorded in the DOC file; 4. The exact value of the line-spacing of said para, recorded in SvxLineSpacingItem, when trying to format it; By comparing the above values, we may confirm that, this is a value mapping issue or, a strategy difference issue. 2012/6/20 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 20.06.2012 10:47, ZuoJun Chen wrote: Hi All, I'm trying to handle a bug on text clipped in document . See Bug 119476https://issues.apache.**org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119476 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119476 ** for more details. After investigation, I have some insights. When paragraph line spacing is smaller than font size, the text contained becomes too large for fit, then AOO will clipped text as Incomplete part. The code for text clipped mechanism can be located in method SwTxtFormatter::**CalcRealHeight(..) at sw\source\core\text\itrform2.**cxx line 1756. I thought that the preferable way to fix this would be to considering the spacing contains above paragraph spacing property and line spacing property as the conditions to determine whether clipping text. e.g. Clipped text if the sum of adding above paragraph spacing and line paragraph spacing is smaller than font size, otherwise do not clip text since above paragraph spacing and line spacing are enough to display the text. From my point of view this change makes sense. If the text of the first line of a paragraph founds enough space in the above paragraph spacing, the text should not be clipped. I had already looked at the patch and it looks ok. I will have a deeper look regarding how to determine the value of above paragraph spacing. As far as I remember in some cases depending on certain compatibility option, the above paragraph spacing is not applied. E.g., if the paragraph is the first on a page and compatibility option Add paragraph and table spacing at tops of pages ... is not checked, the above paragraph spacing is not applied. May be I find a solution to access the already calculated and applied above paragraph spacing. Noticed that there is a property named below paragraph spacing, but I'm not sure whether there is a need to consider this one, Do this property impact text clipped in paragraph? May be - I am not sure. Thus, a paragraph could have a below paragraph spacing and the first text line of the following paragraph could be to small. This would cause clipping, but may be the below paragraph spacing from the previous paragraph could be used to avoid the clipping. From my point of view avoid the clipping in this case would also make sense. May be my above mentioned further investigation regarding the available space above the first text line of a paragraph would solve this, too. Zuojun, do you know how MS Word will behave in this case? Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Question about text clipping mechanism in word processor
Hi, Am 20.06.2012 13:43, schrieb ZuoJun Chen: Hi, Fan I have extracted parameter from first paragraph in sample file 1 Spacing before paragraph 18pt in doc file 2 above-paragraph-spacing in SvxULSpaceItem: 360 3 line-spacing of said para in doc file: 12pt 4 line-spacing of said para in SvxLineSpacingItem:240 Seems that the value mapping works, Looking forward to your further response:) soffice internally uses twips and msoffice uses pt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twip Above values are correct. Kind regards, Joost
[call-for-review][3.4.1]bug 120029 - All GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects get leaked
Hi, I filed a memory leak bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120029 and have provided a fix patch for it. The problem is on framework GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects leak created by toolbarmanager and menubarmanager. Can someone help to review it? This leak happens with very common use cases, such as new/open a document to show the toolbar, or mouse click to show the drop down menu. I suspect it is one of the reason which caused memory incease reported by liu zhe in post http://s.apache.org/00R. So I propose to put it's fix into 3.4.1 too once it passes review. Any objections? Regards, zhangjf
Re: [HELP REQUIRED]: edit reference version on the website
Look in api/brand.mdtext I'm on board a flight home and will help later. We can totally discuss the CSS. What don't you like? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 4:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I need some help. I have updated the generated reference documentation on api.openoffice.org. where I have not changed the related css files. Ok I have checked in the files but they are not yet published. On top of the page is a string Content for OpenOffice.org version 3.3.. I haven't found the string and would like to know where I can find and edit it for now. I don't really like the current layout anymore and would like to rework the whole page in the future. But that is a different topic ;-) Thanks Juergen
Re: Fwd: [CONF] Apache OpenOffice Community Localization Plan
On 6/20/12 10:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/16/12 5:34 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: So, there will not be a Slovenian 3.4 build? in short, yes ;-) Ok I have added Slovenian on the pootle server. It looks good, 100% complete (ui + help). Perfect, I will include it in the build asap. Info: I was able to add Slovenian so fast because the language is already supported on the Pootle server and I could simply add it to the projects. This is not the case for many other languages but we I am working together with infra on it. Juergen Juergen Lp, m. 2012/6/4 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net: Will the Slovenian 3.4 release be built? Thanks, m. 2012/6/2 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net Yes, of course, it is available under the new Apache 2 license. We are also localizing LibreOffice under its own licence. Lp, m. 2012/6/2 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org On 01/06/2012 Martin Srebotnjak wrote: here is the full Slovenian translation for Apache OpenOffice 3.4: http://ooo.siccla.net/gsi/apacheOO/3.4.0/GSI_sl.sdf.gz Thanks Martin, Robert, it's great to see that you are continuing the OpenOffice localization effort! I assume your updates are available under the Apache 2 license (the current OpenOffice license), right? You might consider to submit an ICLA http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas : you still retain the copyright but it helps the project to have a proper intellectual property tracking, and to give you direct commit rights for future updates if helpful. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [HELP REQUIRED]: edit reference version on the website
You'll want to look at api/leftnav.mdtext. You could rename that rightnav.mdtext to move the navigation. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/20/12 2:10 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Look in api/brand.mdtext I'm on board a flight home and will help later. We can totally discuss the CSS. What don't you like? I am thinking more about a general redesign of the page, nothing technical so far Thanks for the pointer Juergen Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 4:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I need some help. I have updated the generated reference documentation on api.openoffice.org. where I have not changed the related css files. Ok I have checked in the files but they are not yet published. On top of the page is a string Content for OpenOffice.org version 3.3.. I haven't found the string and would like to know where I can find and edit it for now. I don't really like the current layout anymore and would like to rework the whole page in the future. But that is a different topic ;-) Thanks Juergen
Re: [call-for-review][3.4.1]bug 120029 - All GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects get leaked
Review done. -Andre On 20.06.2012 14:02, zhangjf wrote: Hi, I filed a memory leak bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120029 and have provided a fix patch for it. The problem is on framework GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects leak created by toolbarmanager and menubarmanager. Can someone help to review it? This leak happens with very common use cases, such as new/open a document to show the toolbar, or mouse click to show the drop down menu. I suspect it is one of the reason which caused memory incease reported by liu zhe in post http://s.apache.org/00R. So I propose to put it's fix into 3.4.1 too once it passes review. Any objections? Regards, zhangjf
Re: Slovak language
On 6/20/12 10:09 AM, Michal Hriň wrote: Ok. Be so good. I 'll be waiting. please find the po files under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/sdf/aoo34_sk_po.tar.gz Please let me know if you have problems with them Juergen Have a good day. Regards, Michal Hriň -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 4:46 pm Subject: Re: Slovak language On 6/18/12 7:57 PM, Risto Jääskeläinen wrote: Hello I am just a Finnish localizator and I have only contributor rights to Pootle. So what I can do to help? 1) Here is link about rights to Pootle: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/translate+pootle+service+auth+levels If only I have that right to Can download archives of a translation project then it would be possible to send you total slovak package from Pootle It would be possible to translate as offline and then send the package via the issue tracker (if 1MB). Now it is possible to you made suggestions into Pootle for Slovak translations. But if there is nobody else who understand the language ... So you need some more rights to Apache Pootle or some more powerfull friend to send to you the package. I will prepare the po files for you and will send you the files tomorrow. The esiest way to get started is to work offline for now. I will send you further info with the po files (and will create general docu). Welcome on board and thanks for joining the project Juergen I hope you find somebody. Regards, Risto Michal Hriň [michalh...@aol.com] kirjoitti: Hi everyone, I am Michal Hriň, unemployed student, so I got some free time for participation. There is no Slovak language pack for AOO. First time I would like to translate the files on Pootle server, but there is no option for registration. Can you help me create a Slovak Language pack ? Regards, Michal Hriň
[RELEASE][3.4.1] Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 119681] Crash when undo a RegExp change
Hi, another +1 for granting the 3.4.1 release blocker flag for this issue. From my point of view it is a serious regression compared to OOo 3.3. I have already found the root cause and now I am on my way to a solution. Best regards, Oliver. On 18.06.2012 19:51, Regina Henschel wrote: +1 There is not only the crash with undo, but I get a hanging office doing a simple search, with a strange error message, see issue. Kind regards Regina bugzi...@apache.org schrieb: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 119681: Crash when undo a RegExp change https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119681 --- Additional Comments from Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Requesting release blocker status: it's a crash
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 119681] Crash when undo a RegExp change
On 6/20/12 2:59 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, another +1 for granting the 3.4.1 release blocker flag for this issue. From my point of view it is a serious regression compared to OOo 3.3. I have already found the root cause and now I am on my way to a solution. +1, I will set the release blocker flag Juergen Best regards, Oliver. On 18.06.2012 19:51, Regina Henschel wrote: +1 There is not only the crash with undo, but I get a hanging office doing a simple search, with a strange error message, see issue. Kind regards Regina bugzi...@apache.org schrieb: Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 119681: Crash when undo a RegExp change https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119681 --- Additional Comments from Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Requesting release blocker status: it's a crash
OpenOffice.org Business Partnership Inquiry
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Re: [call-for-review][3.4.1]bug 120029 - All GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects get leaked
Thank you. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: Review done. -Andre On 20.06.2012 14:02, zhangjf wrote: Hi, I filed a memory leak bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120029 and have provided a fix patch for it. The problem is on framework GlobalAcceleratorConfiguration objects leak created by toolbarmanager and menubarmanager. Can someone help to review it? This leak happens with very common use cases, such as new/open a document to show the toolbar, or mouse click to show the drop down menu. I suspect it is one of the reason which caused memory incease reported by liu zhe in post http://s.apache.org/00R. So I propose to put it's fix into 3.4.1 too once it passes review. Any objections? Regards, zhangjf
Re: Draft Blog Post: 5 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=5_million_downloads_of_apache The numbers stand at 4,994,262. So we'll hit 5M before I wake up tomorrow. The post announces that and then gives a general project update, concentrating on 3.4.1 and the Symphony merge discussion. It then ends with a general call for volunteers. We're at 5062043. I'll update the home page and push the blog post out. Help is always welcome getting the message out. -Rob Is there anything else we want to include? -Rob
Re: Tutorial: How to Use the Apache CMS Web Interface
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/15/12 3:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: My first attempt making a video with Camtasia. Hopefully this will be useful to someone starting to use the CMS for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcDZN3Lu6HA well done, I love short video tutorials ;-) with a good fresh coffee at hand. Maybe you can share some more experience how you create it, what steps are necessary to trim the video etc. This was done with a 30-day trial version of Camtasia Studio: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.html It works like a screen capture tool: You define what area of the screen you want to record, what audio device to capture, etc. After recording it has a simple editor to insert titles, transitions, remove unnecessary pauses, etc. Finally, it takes the project, encodes it as WMV and automatically uploads it to YouTube. There is a lot more depth to the Camtasia features -- I only scratched the surface -- but you can get a lot done with just the basic features. Other than that, the idea is the same as any tutorial, whether given live, printed, video, podcast, whatever. Have a clear idea of what you want the user to take away, and break it down into clear steps. I can think of many more such short video tutorials describing features in the office. For example many users don't know the concept of styles. So how about a short video explaining style and to create and use one. Or edit/change an existing one... Another idea would be a set of short videos examining each of the new features in AOO 3.4. Many many short videos of the same style, means common intro page pointing to our project + content video + common finish with further info regarding the project or something like that. Maybe also a common place on Youtube for these. Right now the videos are just in my personal account. But it would be better, think, if we had an AOO-branded account where such things could live. This would make it easier for the users to find. Or maybe the way to do this is via common tagging? It's perfect promotion for our project in several ways. We provide useful tutorials that help our users, we show how easy it can be to join the project and do something useful, we do some good marketing for our project in general... Juergen
Re: Tutorial: How to Use the Apache CMS Web Interface
I'd suggest this is the kind of thing that would fit really well with the proposed conference. We have hackspaces and this is an ideal way to get newbies contributing to the project quickly and easily. Anyone want to coordinate something like this? Ross On 20 June 2012 15:07, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/15/12 3:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: My first attempt making a video with Camtasia. Hopefully this will be useful to someone starting to use the CMS for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcDZN3Lu6HA well done, I love short video tutorials ;-) with a good fresh coffee at hand. Maybe you can share some more experience how you create it, what steps are necessary to trim the video etc. This was done with a 30-day trial version of Camtasia Studio: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.html It works like a screen capture tool: You define what area of the screen you want to record, what audio device to capture, etc. After recording it has a simple editor to insert titles, transitions, remove unnecessary pauses, etc. Finally, it takes the project, encodes it as WMV and automatically uploads it to YouTube. There is a lot more depth to the Camtasia features -- I only scratched the surface -- but you can get a lot done with just the basic features. Other than that, the idea is the same as any tutorial, whether given live, printed, video, podcast, whatever. Have a clear idea of what you want the user to take away, and break it down into clear steps. I can think of many more such short video tutorials describing features in the office. For example many users don't know the concept of styles. So how about a short video explaining style and to create and use one. Or edit/change an existing one... Another idea would be a set of short videos examining each of the new features in AOO 3.4. Many many short videos of the same style, means common intro page pointing to our project + content video + common finish with further info regarding the project or something like that. Maybe also a common place on Youtube for these. Right now the videos are just in my personal account. But it would be better, think, if we had an AOO-branded account where such things could live. This would make it easier for the users to find. Or maybe the way to do this is via common tagging? It's perfect promotion for our project in several ways. We provide useful tutorials that help our users, we show how easy it can be to join the project and do something useful, we do some good marketing for our project in general... Juergen -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Tutorial: How to Use the Apache CMS Web Interface
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6/15/12 3:09 PM, Rob Weir wrote: My first attempt making a video with Camtasia. Hopefully this will be useful to someone starting to use the CMS for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcDZN3Lu6HA well done, I love short video tutorials ;-) with a good fresh coffee at hand. Maybe you can share some more experience how you create it, what steps are necessary to trim the video etc. This was done with a 30-day trial version of Camtasia Studio: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.html It works like a screen capture tool: You define what area of the screen you want to record, what audio device to capture, etc. After recording it has a simple editor to insert titles, transitions, remove unnecessary pauses, etc. Finally, it takes the project, encodes it as WMV and automatically uploads it to YouTube. There is a lot more depth to the Camtasia features -- I only scratched the surface -- but you can get a lot done with just the basic features. An open source alternative could be CamStudio, it's probably not so feature-rich, though. http://camstudio.org/ Roberto Other than that, the idea is the same as any tutorial, whether given live, printed, video, podcast, whatever. Have a clear idea of what you want the user to take away, and break it down into clear steps. I can think of many more such short video tutorials describing features in the office. For example many users don't know the concept of styles. So how about a short video explaining style and to create and use one. Or edit/change an existing one... Another idea would be a set of short videos examining each of the new features in AOO 3.4. Many many short videos of the same style, means common intro page pointing to our project + content video + common finish with further info regarding the project or something like that. Maybe also a common place on Youtube for these. Right now the videos are just in my personal account. But it would be better, think, if we had an AOO-branded account where such things could live. This would make it easier for the users to find. Or maybe the way to do this is via common tagging? It's perfect promotion for our project in several ways. We provide useful tutorials that help our users, we show how easy it can be to join the project and do something useful, we do some good marketing for our project in general... Juergen -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray m...@debian.org wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ Thanks for getting the funds released. Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? I was under the impression that they have not been. This will be helpful to know as we focus on how to plan the OpenOffice track within the ApacheCon Europe for November. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On 2012-06-19, at 21:26 , Sam Ruby wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? The funds have not been received. If it would help if we sent out an invoice, let me know (off-list) what should be on the invoice, and I will generate one. Thanks, Sam. Probably Ross would be the person to talk to about this. louis - Sam Ruby
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
Don, On 2012-06-20, at 10:46 , Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. Louis Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
This is in hand. See the mail I sent last night to SPI (copied to the ooo-private@ and treasurer@ list as replies may contain financial information). Ross On 20 June 2012 15:46, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM, MJ Ray m...@debian.org wrote: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm jumping in and speaking as a mentor of AOO and ASF VP of Community Development. Thanks - and just to be clear, I'm only speaking as an ordinary contributing member of SPI, who felt a responsibility to ask what I felt were obvious questions. So, I can't see any of these emails: [...] For more information on this please see the mail sent by Wolf Halton to treasu...@spi-inc.org on 19 March 2012 (subject monies collected for OpenOffice.org) and copied to bo...@spi-inc.org by Michael Schultheiss on the same day. [...] as - for reasons which I think I know and agree with - those mailboxes are not visible to all members. Thanks for quoting parts of it, but it's enough to learn that assurances have been sent. I trust the board to judge whether they feel that they are sufficient to ensure that SPI-held funds are used honestly, as described at the time they were raised. Thanks also for explaining the absence from the projects listing. (I am, of course, saddened to see an association-supported project now apparently forked into two(?) foundation-supported projects, because open and voluntary membership and equality are important to me, but I'm just odd like that.) Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ Thanks for getting the funds released. Wolf, have the funds been received by Fundraising@ ? I was under the impression that they have not been. This will be helpful to know as we focus on how to plan the OpenOffice track within the ApacheCon Europe for November. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: OpenOffice.org Business Partnership Inquiry
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:10 AM, fa...@filepuma.com fa...@filepuma.com wrote: Hi OpenOffice.org Webmaster, I'm sorry to bother you. I am Faith from Filepuma.com. I write to you just to consult whether we can have a potential chance to cooperate with you. And recently we have updated your product at our site that you can have a visit. Hello Faith, I see the listing here: http://www.filepuma.com/download/openoffice.org_3.4-767/ Is that the right listing? If so, I'd like to suggest some corrections: 1) The name of the product is Apache OpenOffice, not OpenOffice.org. (This is a new change, starting with the 3.4 release. 2) The license is Apache License 2.0. It is not freeware. Does your website make that distinction, between freeware and open source? Strictly speaking, freeware is only a statement about the initial cost, that the software is available for free download. But many freeware products ask for payment, either after a period of time, or to unlock advanced features. Open source software does not do that. It is free to use, copy, redistribute, etc. Open source software also comes with the source code of the application, allowing programmers to study, modify and enhance the application. Freeware does not. 3) The publisher should be Apache Software Foundation, not OpenOffice.org. This is also a new change starting with our 3.4 release. Filepuma.com is a website for providing the simplest method of downloading the newest versions of the best software, and we are not focusing on quantity but quality. To make your downloads as fast as possible, we provide very fast servers with 100Mb connections. You are really a great tool and OpenOffice.org enjoys great reputation among users. We're very interested in becoming the mirror for OpenOffice.org download. I'm sure our partnership can guarantee you great advantages. We can do a few things to promote your program like newsletter mentions and front-page exposure. If you have any other ideas we are very open and happy to discuss them on becoming OpenOffice.org's mirror download link. What we want to have is a win-win relationship that benefits us both. We strongly think that business cooperation between you and us will be a wise decision, and both of us can have more triumphs. If you want to host a copy of the Apache OpenOffice installer on your website, then no further permission is required. Redistribution is permitted by the license. If you want to be a mirror operator for Apache releases, then more information can be found here: http://www.apache.org/info/how-to-mirror.html If you have further questions, please cc the ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org list. Regards, -Rob Looking forward to receiving your feedback very much. Thanks for your time. P.S. If answering mails like this one is not among your daily tasks, please forward it to the appropriate executive. Thanks again. Best regards, Faith Lee fa...@filepuma.com Filepuma.com
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
On 20/06/2012 10:28, Andre Fischer wrote: On 19.06.2012 18:37, Stuart Swales wrote: [...] Please don't merrily discard the English language variant dictionaries - they are really really important. The reason for wanting to drop some of the english extensions is not a disregard for (of?) the english language and its variants. In older versions of OpenOffice only the dict-en extension was included. It is probably my fault that there are now five dictionary extensions. I added the functionality for downloading and integrating the extensions into the installation sets and used the information on [1] to setup the initial list of extensions to bundle. Maybe the time has come to reduce that list to what is really needed. dict-en seems to support the variants (AU,CA,GB,US,ZA). I say seems because I am neither a linguist nor do I have information beyond what the pages in the extension repository provide (see links to english dictionaries on [1]). I don't know if the separate dictionaries for AU,NZ,CA, and US contain anything that is not already included in dict-en. If you or anybody else have/has more information then please share that with the rest of us so that we can make a decision based on facts whether to keep or to drop the extensions. -Andre [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bundled+Writing+Aids I can only really speak for en_GB here - David Bartlett put in a lot of work to get a usable British English dictionary going in the early days of OpenOffice.org and life was made much easier once that was incorporated into the main build. Obviously 95% or so of the word list will be common across the English language variants but the 5% or so that does differ matters greatly to 'natives'. British English spelling does vary trivially but significantly from US English spelling. We have important users over here including universities, a national newspaper, city councils... If we were to kick out all non-en_US variants from the core build then I guess users here would be surprised at the regression. They would have to figure out how to find and download the appropriate extension, which I think could be beyond a fair proportion of them, leading to gripes about Apache OpenOffice 'not being as good as the old one'. My 2p. - Stuart Swales
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. Correction: Sam stated that the funds have NOT been received. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. While the check has not yet been received, I am confident that we will receive these funds, and we have sufficient funds to manage any 'float', so feel free to plan accordingly. Louis - Sam Ruby
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
On 20.06.2012 17:39, Stuart Swales wrote: On 20/06/2012 10:28, Andre Fischer wrote: On 19.06.2012 18:37, Stuart Swales wrote: [...] Please don't merrily discard the English language variant dictionaries - they are really really important. The reason for wanting to drop some of the english extensions is not a disregard for (of?) the english language and its variants. In older versions of OpenOffice only the dict-en extension was included. It is probably my fault that there are now five dictionary extensions. I added the functionality for downloading and integrating the extensions into the installation sets and used the information on [1] to setup the initial list of extensions to bundle. Maybe the time has come to reduce that list to what is really needed. dict-en seems to support the variants (AU,CA,GB,US,ZA). I say seems because I am neither a linguist nor do I have information beyond what the pages in the extension repository provide (see links to english dictionaries on [1]). I don't know if the separate dictionaries for AU,NZ,CA, and US contain anything that is not already included in dict-en. If you or anybody else have/has more information then please share that with the rest of us so that we can make a decision based on facts whether to keep or to drop the extensions. -Andre [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bundled+Writing+Aids I can only really speak for en_GB here - David Bartlett put in a lot of work to get a usable British English dictionary going in the early days of OpenOffice.org and life was made much easier once that was incorporated into the main build. Obviously 95% or so of the word list will be common across the English language variants but the 5% or so that does differ matters greatly to 'natives'. British English spelling does vary trivially but significantly from US English spelling. We have important users over here including universities, a national newspaper, city councils... If we were to kick out all non-en_US variants from the core build Please read what I wrote above. It is the dict-en.oxt dictionary that I would like to keep, not en_US.oxt. dict-en.oxt is, as far as I know the only one that HAS support for GB. By the way, the upcoming 3.4.1 release will have a separate GB version. This will have British English strings not only in the dictionary but also in the UI. Also by the way, we have yet to decide on the set of extensions (dictionaries and others) included in the GB version of AOO. Now would be the right time to make a wish. I nobody speaks up, it will be shipped without any dictionaries. -Andre then I guess users here would be surprised at the regression. They would have to figure out how to find and download the appropriate extension, which I think could be beyond a fair proportion of them, leading to gripes about Apache OpenOffice 'not being as good as the old one'. My 2p. - Stuart Swales
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
On 20/06/2012 16:57, Andre Fischer wrote: On 20.06.2012 17:39, Stuart Swales wrote: On 20/06/2012 10:28, Andre Fischer wrote: On 19.06.2012 18:37, Stuart Swales wrote: [...] Please don't merrily discard the English language variant dictionaries - they are really really important. The reason for wanting to drop some of the english extensions is not a disregard for (of?) the english language and its variants. In older versions of OpenOffice only the dict-en extension was included. It is probably my fault that there are now five dictionary extensions. I added the functionality for downloading and integrating the extensions into the installation sets and used the information on [1] to setup the initial list of extensions to bundle. Maybe the time has come to reduce that list to what is really needed. dict-en seems to support the variants (AU,CA,GB,US,ZA). I say seems because I am neither a linguist nor do I have information beyond what the pages in the extension repository provide (see links to english dictionaries on [1]). I don't know if the separate dictionaries for AU,NZ,CA, and US contain anything that is not already included in dict-en. If you or anybody else have/has more information then please share that with the rest of us so that we can make a decision based on facts whether to keep or to drop the extensions. -Andre [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bundled+Writing+Aids I can only really speak for en_GB here - David Bartlett put in a lot of work to get a usable British English dictionary going in the early days of OpenOffice.org and life was made much easier once that was incorporated into the main build. Obviously 95% or so of the word list will be common across the English language variants but the 5% or so that does differ matters greatly to 'natives'. British English spelling does vary trivially but significantly from US English spelling. We have important users over here including universities, a national newspaper, city councils... If we were to kick out all non-en_US variants from the core build Please read what I wrote above. It is the dict-en.oxt dictionary that I would like to keep, not en_US.oxt. dict-en.oxt is, as far as I know the only one that HAS support for GB. Thanks Andre, its clearer still when I re-read the BugZilla issues. By the way, the upcoming 3.4.1 release will have a separate GB version. This will have British English strings not only in the dictionary but also in the UI. And in the help too! Also by the way, we have yet to decide on the set of extensions (dictionaries and others) included in the GB version of AOO. Now would be the right time to make a wish. I nobody speaks up, it will be shipped without any dictionaries. -Andre Please do ship this with dict-en.oxt - Stuart then I guess users here would be surprised at the regression. They would have to figure out how to find and download the appropriate extension, which I think could be beyond a fair proportion of them, leading to gripes about Apache OpenOffice 'not being as good as the old one'. My 2p. - Stuart Swales -- Stuart Swales
Re: [UX] Harvesting social data
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight, feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future product direction. Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost. To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none. All are encouraged to capture and post data in the AOO UX wiki [1]. See the Google+ Data wiki page [2] for an example of how we might capture social data. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin Ha! Yes, as I was just thinking about this yesterday as well after I looked at the Google+ posts, it would certainly be great to come up with standard process to collecting/capturing this kind of information. So thanks for this post. It would be optimal if there were some scripted way of collecting this information and posting it somewhere. -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
[PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Web Writer Difficulties
Hi, I routinely use Open Office Web Writer to write Html. Its advantage is that I don't get the message You need to buy the plug-in to do that!. But oh the woes. Who wants to know what my concerns are? I have encountered some very serious problems. (Changes I make in html code are REMOVED by some sort of code-check engine.) I would like to find out how to tweak some of the built-in parameters. (Why on Earth are margins automatically set to .79 inches?) I would like to customize the code formatting engine to suit my particular tastes. If my placement of the cursor would persist across wysiwyg and code view changes, that would be so helpful! And then there is the search and replace engine... groan. Please connect me with the group which might be interested in the improvements I'm discussing. Stephen Marshall Dispolemic.Blogspot.Com 802-922-1446 Cell
Re: Java
Hello Maya, On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:18:55AM -0700, Maya Cain wrote: Thank you, Ariel and Andrew I think I tried that already but will try again ... and which list should I subscribe to so that I get replies? ... haven't had to deal with this stuff for awhile so I'm confused and playing catch-up ... You can subscribe to the User's mailing list by sending a mail to ooo-users-subscr...@incubator.apache.org You will get a mail asking you to confirm the subscription confirm subscribe to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org, follow the instruction on this mail to confirm the subscription. Once subscribed, you can send your post to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpJSxl7fm3Bm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Distribution of post times for ooo-dev
I was curious, so I extracted the post times for all ooo-dev posts in 2012 (over 10,000 of them), normalized the times to UTC, adjusting for time zone (python script), and made a histogram in R. The glorious results are here: http://people.apache.org/~robweir/ooo-dev-hist.gif I don't have any conclusions or interpretations. I suppose the point is I now have figured out how to mine data from the mailing lists, so if we see any value for other kinds of reports, let me know. -Rob
Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
Hi, On 2012-06-20, at 13:06 , Kay Schenk wrote: I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? yes. But distribution is a little vague. Initially, I'd called it, Community Distribution. Equally vague? Louis -- MzK
Re: Approaching 5M downloads
Am 06/20/2012 07:16 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 6/19/12 9:57 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/19/2012 07:37 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: We're at 4,922,774. So we should hit 5M late tonight or early tomorrow morning (UTC). I'll work on a blog post highlighting that milestone and give a general update on what we are working on. After that I plan to stop reporting on each 1M increment. They come too quickly. Yeah, it's seems indeed very quick. Maybe an update every 5M in the future? What about 10M as next step? which means in this case every 5M ;-) ah, I see the problem. No, I meant the next step would be 10M, then the next is tbd, then ... ;-) Marcus
Re: Distribution of post times for ooo-dev
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was curious, so I extracted the post times for all ooo-dev posts in 2012 (over 10,000 of them), normalized the times to UTC, adjusting for time zone (python script), and made a histogram in R. The glorious results are here: http://people.apache.org/~robweir/ooo-dev-hist.gif I don't have any conclusions or interpretations. I suppose the point is I now have figured out how to mine data from the mailing lists, so if we see any value for other kinds of reports, let me know. So the bulk of posts are during the North American business day? Apache OpenOffice. Contributing to American productivity by giving people something to email about. Don
Re: svn commit: r1351633 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst solenv/inc/version.lst sysui/desktop/productversion.mk
Am 06/20/2012 07:19 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
On 6/19/12 10:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 06/19/2012 12:00 PM, schrieb j...@apache.org:
Author: jsc
Date: Tue Jun 19 10:00:15 2012
New Revision: 1351633
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1351633view=rev
Log:
119977: update version number to 3.5
Modified:
incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst
incubator/ooo/trunk/main/solenv/inc/version.lst
incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sysui/desktop/productversion.mk
Modified: incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst?rev=1351633r1=1351632r2=1351633view=diff
==
--- incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst
(original)
+++ incubator/ooo/trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst Tue
Jun 19 10:00:15 2012
@@ -4,15 +4,15 @@ Globals
{
variables
{
-SERVICETAG_PRODUCTNAME OpenOffice.org 3.4
-SERVICETAG_PRODUCTVERSION 3.4
-SERVICETAG_PARENTNAME OpenOffice.org 3.4
+SERVICETAG_PRODUCTNAME OpenOffice.org 3.5
+SERVICETAG_PRODUCTVERSION 3.5
+SERVICETAG_PARENTNAME OpenOffice.org 3.5
SERVICETAG_SOURCE {buildsource}{minor}(Build:{buildid})
SERVICETAG_URN
urn:uuid:500061aa-5666-11e0-8e00-080020a9ed93
BTW:
IMHO another nice example to get rid of old and no longer needed code:
The Service Tag [1] implementation from what has Sun included.
It's very simple:
We don't want any registrations -- so we don't need Service Tags anymore.
good catch Marcus, we should check where this variable are used and
should clean up the code.
It can be a good opportunity work for somebody who want to do the first
steps with the code. OpenGrok to search where the variables are used +
understanding what's going on + some editing + building + testing
Volunteers are welcome and questions will be answered here on the list
or on IRC
For this challenge I've created a BZ issue:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120047
Service Tag implementation is no longer needed and should be removed
Marcus
[1]
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/javase/productregistration-142210.html
My 2 ct.
Marcus
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012
Forgive the top posting... I am just alerting everyone that I have updated the planning wiki [1] today with the latest proposal content, conference information and work items. We need volunteers, your attention and action. Please take the time to read up, and respond back on this thread with questions and discussion. If you decide to volunteer, please identify yourself and the aspect of the project you are most interested to help with. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled an outline together on the wiki [1]. This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality, now is the time to volunteer. Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with the broader conference as well. Share and share alike! I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'. This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are too. Please engage and make this happen. [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*
Re: Web Writer Difficulties
Hi Stephen, Stephen Alrich Marshall schrieb: Hi, I routinely use Open Office Web Writer to write Html. Its advantage is that I don't get the message You need to buy the plug-in to do that!. But oh the woes. Who wants to know what my concerns are? I have encountered some very serious problems. (Changes I make in html code are REMOVED by some sort of code-check engine.) The Writer/Web module has not been maintained for a long time. Search Bugzilla for issues concerning Writer/Web to get an insight in the situation. I would like to find out how to tweak some of the built-in parameters. (Why on Earth are margins automatically set to .79 inches?) Because that is the equivalent to the default 2cm page margins? I would like to customize the code formatting engine to suit my particular tastes. Another way for you is to write your documents in Writer and export it using the XHTML export filter. At the moment the filter transforms only simple page layout, but does it in a transparent and valid way. You can extend the filter by editing the xslt-files and need not to do anything in the core. If my placement of the cursor would persist across wysiwyg and code view changes, that would be so helpful! And then there is the search and replace engine... groan. Please connect me with the group which might be interested in the improvements I'm discussing. Currently there is exists no group who works on Writer/Web. You would have to start at the very beginning. That means that you have to start improvements of the core yourself and then try to motivate other developers for such a task. But I personally doubt, that there is any interest in Writer/Web. In the years under Sun/Oracle there had even been discussions to drop Writer/Web totally in favor for an xslt-export filter. Kind regards Regina
RE: Distribution of post times for ooo-dev
If you consider timezone offsets, the majority of posts are when Europeans are still awake, North and South American participants are in their day, and in the slow tail into early morning, the Far East may add a little. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:37 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Distribution of post times for ooo-dev On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was curious, so I extracted the post times for all ooo-dev posts in 2012 (over 10,000 of them), normalized the times to UTC, adjusting for time zone (python script), and made a histogram in R. The glorious results are here: http://people.apache.org/~robweir/ooo-dev-hist.gif I don't have any conclusions or interpretations. I suppose the point is I now have figured out how to mine data from the mailing lists, so if we see any value for other kinds of reports, let me know. So the bulk of posts are during the North American business day? Apache OpenOffice. Contributing to American productivity by giving people something to email about. Don
Re: [Spi-private] OpenOffice funds
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Don, On 2012-06-20, at 10:46 , Donald Harbison wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com Don, Louis has been leading the charge here for a little while and I have fallen out of the loop a bit. Louis, are you working this to conclusion with Michael @SPI? I recommend we close this out asap if there are no further outstanding issues, which I don't think there are, other than to link Fundraising@ with Michael to conclude the transaction. See Sam's note following for a suggestion on the next step in this regard. The issue has been resolved at least as regards SPI to Apache. Ross has concluded that, and Sam has stated that the funds from SPI for OOo have been received. For more information, ask Sam and Ross. From my perspective, as I've indicated privately, this case is closed, at least regarding SPI's accrual of funds for OpenOffice.org. What we do now with the funds is up to us. OK, great. Thank you very much, Louis. With respect to 'what we do now'... please take a look at the ApacheCON planning wiki[1] [1] http://s.apache.org/4cp I point to this as an Open Issue, and invite volunteers to come together to address this question in the context of supporting the conference. Louis Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Overall, this is good. But I do have a two questions: 1). Do we want to encourage people to distribute older versions of OOo 3.3 or use the older logos? Or should we only talk about how to distribute AOO? 2) On the Can I distribute OpenOffice on a CD or my website and call it something else? -- Has this question really ever come up?I am not sure that it is actually forbidden to do this, but I wonder if could just not mention this weird case at all. What is more interesting is whether some one can distribute a modified version of OpenOffice and still call it OpenOffice. What is the PortableApps case, etc. That requires explicit permission from Apache. -Rob Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: On 20.06.2012 17:39, Stuart Swales wrote: On 20/06/2012 10:28, Andre Fischer wrote: On 19.06.2012 18:37, Stuart Swales wrote: [...] Please don't merrily discard the English language variant dictionaries - they are really really important. The reason for wanting to drop some of the english extensions is not a disregard for (of?) the english language and its variants. In older versions of OpenOffice only the dict-en extension was included. It is probably my fault that there are now five dictionary extensions. I added the functionality for downloading and integrating the extensions into the installation sets and used the information on [1] to setup the initial list of extensions to bundle. Maybe the time has come to reduce that list to what is really needed. dict-en seems to support the variants (AU,CA,GB,US,ZA). I say seems because I am neither a linguist nor do I have information beyond what the pages in the extension repository provide (see links to english dictionaries on [1]). I don't know if the separate dictionaries for AU,NZ,CA, and US contain anything that is not already included in dict-en. If you or anybody else have/has more information then please share that with the rest of us so that we can make a decision based on facts whether to keep or to drop the extensions. -Andre [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Bundled+Writing+Aids I can only really speak for en_GB here - David Bartlett put in a lot of work to get a usable British English dictionary going in the early days of OpenOffice.org and life was made much easier once that was incorporated into the main build. Obviously 95% or so of the word list will be common across the English language variants but the 5% or so that does differ matters greatly to 'natives'. British English spelling does vary trivially but significantly from US English spelling. We have important users over here including universities, a national newspaper, city councils... If we were to kick out all non-en_US variants from the core build Please read what I wrote above. It is the dict-en.oxt dictionary that I would like to keep, not en_US.oxt. dict-en.oxt is, as far as I know the only one that HAS support for GB. Does anyone know what this means, for a single dictionary to support multiple language variants? For example, color is US English, while colour is UK English. If I use dict-en.oxt is it smart enough to mark one spelling correct based on the current text locale? And reject the other spelling? Or does it permit both spellings in a single locale? -Rob By the way, the upcoming 3.4.1 release will have a separate GB version. This will have British English strings not only in the dictionary but also in the UI. Also by the way, we have yet to decide on the set of extensions (dictionaries and others) included in the GB version of AOO. Now would be the right time to make a wish. I nobody speaks up, it will be shipped without any dictionaries. -Andre then I guess users here would be surprised at the regression. They would have to figure out how to find and download the appropriate extension, which I think could be beyond a fair proportion of them, leading to gripes about Apache OpenOffice 'not being as good as the old one'. My 2p. - Stuart Swales
Final look at art work ( Re: First Year Anniversary - party CD)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 13:36 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: On 06/13/2012 03:26 AM, drew wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 11:11 +0100, sebb wrote: On 13 June 2012 01:33, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:28 +0100, sebb wrote: On 12 June 2012 22:34, drewd...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 18:48 -0400, drew wrote: I would like to propose that we treat the 13th of the month as our 1st Anniversary and would like to do the following for the occasion: snip I would like to release two CD iso images, Windows and Mac on the 13th of this month. Howdy, Alright - well, cutting it right down to the end on time here. I just want to be sure, as I'm not sure this is right branding wise - if you anyone sees a problem with this let me know, I don't mind re-working things. I also won't be offended if anyone says hold up.. Here is the final cut on five items: A disk label: http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-label-win.png Envelope/Sleeve cover: http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-sleeve-win.png Cut/Fold Envelope: http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-cd-folded-win.png CD/DVD tall case cover: http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/AOO34-dvd-case-win.png A4 poster: http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/freeyourself.png Drew-- Any chance these could be made a bit more generic and uploaded to the marketing/art area? http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/cdart/previous_cdart.html and...where can folks get the downloads? I don't see them on http://lo-portal.us (???) Howdy all, OK - well I know it seems I've been lolly-gagging here, well maybe a little, but I've also managed to get a few things further along. First - @Kay, about more generic artwork - sure I could and would do that, though given some of the recent email threads I'm not really sure that is what folks would want, but I'm open to it. Second - license. It made sense to me to license the actual iso image and the associated label/packaging artwork as CC-by-nd, which would allow the disk to be manufactured and distributed without but _only_ it it is in no way altered. The links above (except the poster) have been updated to reflect that change. Third - the actual html files for the disk. I started with a few of the pages from the website, and then after following along the thread here about just that got a little concerned - so I've made good number of changes to the look of the pages, so that it does not mimic too closely the actual web pages (all of which are under ALv2). That is for all intent an purpose done now. Fourth - I've requested permission to include the Getting Started with Apache OpenOffice version 3.4 Guide from ODF authors. The guide is still in a draft state in their CMS system, but appears to me in a reasonable shape to ship. You can see find that file at: http://www.odfauthors.org/apache-openoffice/english/user-guides/getting-started-3.4/drafts/gs3.4-full-book/view I send email to the group there just to be sure that there is not some glaring whole that I've missed in the document during my cursory review. IF ANYONE ELSE would like to help review that, it would certainly be a help, the more eyes the better. Also, I'll be working on cover art (front and back) for that document tonight and as soon as that is finished will include that in the trademark request - and of course offering the work back to ODF Authors for inclusion, if they want it. Finally - @Kay again - as for where folks will be able to download the image from, not fully decided yet - I could handle distributing ~200 copies of that a month given the band width on the server I rent, but I'm more worried that there be a permanent address for folks to report any deficiencies and the like so really thinking of using sourceforge, it's not much to put a project together there. Either way I have to do it tonight before I button up the files as they will need to include that link. So - that's it for the moment - I really am going to try an have this all wrapped up and ready for a full review, before I turn in tonight. Speaking of which I was thinking maybe the best way to let people review the HTML files would be to simply push it up the same location as that label art and folks to browse it that way - along with a copy of the iso for anyone that wants to give that a go instead. //drew
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: Include only one en-US dictionary extension
2012/6/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: Does anyone know what this means, for a single dictionary to support multiple language variants? For example, color is US English, while colour is UK English. If I use dict-en.oxt is it smart enough to mark one spelling correct based on the current text locale? And reject the other spelling? Or does it permit both spellings in a single locale? -Rob dict-en.oxt is not a single dictionary but multiple dictionaries (en_AU, CA, GB, US and ZA) all bundled on one extension: each dictionary will be used according to the language set on the text. All locales on that extension share the same thesaurus, though. Regards Ricardo
Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On 2012-06-20, at 13:06 , Kay Schenk wrote: I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? yes. But distribution is a little vague. Initially, I'd called it, Community Distribution. Equally vague? well...maybe more vague...might people wonder WHAT community? Does this apply to me? I wouldn't know how to interpret that. Louis -- MzK -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Overall, this is good. But I do have a two questions: 1). Do we want to encourage people to distribute older versions of OOo 3.3 or use the older logos? Or should we only talk about how to distribute AOO? I don't think we want to encourage it, but I think it should be covered that's why I included this other information. 2) On the Can I distribute OpenOffice on a CD or my website and call it something else? -- Has this question really ever come up? well...maybe not. But, I didn't think it would hurt...somehow people think anything free is freeware and we might find OpenOffice masquerading as Aunt Sally's Super Duper Office Suite . I am not sure that it is actually forbidden to do this, but I wonder if could just not mention this weird case at all. What is more interesting is whether some one can distribute a modified version of OpenOffice and still call it OpenOffice. What is the PortableApps case, etc. That requires explicit permission from Apache. hmmm...there isn't anything in ALv2 that covers this near as I can tell. Maybe we should suggest a change in the 4. Redistribution section for additional emphasis. But the name business IS mentioned in the 6. Trademarks. So, OK, I will add this as it probably does require attention. -Rob Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Re: [PROPOSAL] Updated Distribution FAQ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: I am using lazy consensus to put out an updated copy of: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ A draft is here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Distribution+FAQ Is this adequate for replacing the placeholder page? Overall, this is good. But I do have a two questions: 1). Do we want to encourage people to distribute older versions of OOo 3.3 or use the older logos? Or should we only talk about how to distribute AOO? I don't think we want to encourage it, but I think it should be covered that's why I included this other information. 2) On the Can I distribute OpenOffice on a CD or my website and call it something else? -- Has this question really ever come up? well...maybe not. But, I didn't think it would hurt...somehow people think anything free is freeware and we might find OpenOffice masquerading as Aunt Sally's Super Duper Office Suite . I am not sure that it is actually forbidden to do this, but I wonder if could just not mention this weird case at all. What is more interesting is whether some one can distribute a modified version of OpenOffice and still call it OpenOffice. What is the PortableApps case, etc. That requires explicit permission from Apache. hmmm...there isn't anything in ALv2 that covers this near as I can tell. Maybe we should suggest a change in the 4. Redistribution section for additional emphasis. But the name business IS mentioned in the 6. Trademarks. So, OK, I will add this as it probably does require attention. -Rob Also, assuming that the current http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/ is replaced, would it be a good idea to put the Distribution link back on the main download page? -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project OK, I just posted some further revisions based on these comments. -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Re: Moving Category-B tarballs (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process)
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- Lun 18/6/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto: Andre did a nice job but the category B tarballs are still in SVN so I dont consider the issue has been solved. Do you have any proposal for how that could addressed without breaking the released AOO 3.4.0 source distribution? Hasn't changed. Axe and add a note to the src distribution to let people know where to find the (already optional) tarballs. This would also be cleared up after 3.4.1 is released, since that would not depend on the legacy location for the tarballs. It is easier to break 3.4.0 once a 3.4.1 is out. It is fine with me if we delay graduation until after 3.4.1 is released. This also avoids having graduation trigger a disruptive set of naming changes to the release and the website at the same time we're trying to get out a release. I think this is wise... +1! Pedro. -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
Re: [Proposal] Guidelines for list conduct policy
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: snip Here is the adjusted version: I put Dave's #7 as #0 and a reminder of the AOO mission and implications thereof as #1. The private-lists entry is now at the bottom. I've put the latest version up on the wiki, with some basic formatting, to facilitate further editing: . https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29List+Conduct+Policy -Rob
Re: [UX] Harvesting social data
.On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight, feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future product direction. Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost. A tip that should be better known, for doing a rough sort of Twitter data: When doing a search, add the string :) or :( to get positive or negative posts. For example, compare search.twitter.com for Obama :) to Obama :( (don't include the quotes) This could be used as a simple form of sentiment analysis for AOO-related queries. -Rob To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none. All are encouraged to capture and post data in the AOO UX wiki [1]. See the Google+ Data wiki page [2] for an example of how we might capture social data. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin
Re: [Call-For-Review] Fix for i119652 - [From Symphony]When press Ctrl+Shift+Backspace in table cell A1 ,Undo,crash
Reviewed and Committed with revision:1352384. Currently,AOO only provides to select within a table or select content range containing table(s). And it does not provide to select content range crossing tables that means the start position and end position are locating at different tables,or one is within a table,another is not..The current code implementation logic of SwEditShell::DeleteSel() doesn't consider the situations either.So, this patch will only consider the supported scenarios..other limitations will not be considered here..Because they are capabilities and usability improvement,we need prioritize it according to end users' feedback in the future.thanks. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM, chengjh chen...@apache.org wrote: I will take care of this issue.. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Lin Yuan yuanlin@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the advice. I added more detail description about root cause and resolution. 2012/6/19 chengjh chen...@apache.org Hi Lin, Please describe the root cause more clearly...And if solution description can be added,that will be better.thanks. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM, lin yuan yuanlin@gmail.com wrote: I have submit a patch to fix issue i119652. It's a crash issue if user use Ctrl+Shift+Backspace to delete a paragraph in the first cell in a table and then do undo action. Detail info and comments of this issue please refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119652 Patch info please refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78230 Please help review this fix. Thanks. Thanks, Lin Yuan -- Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng -- Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng -- Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
Re: [VCLAuto] Problems with build.xml
It's Ok to load junit.jar manually. 2012/6/20 Du Jing bjduj...@gmail.com when you run build.xml via ant(select ant 2),please don't select test in configuration check box,only select the prepare.dependencies.Hope can help you~ On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all I try to run VCLAuto, the new GUI Testtool. I settet up a Win 7 VM for it and I followed the guide on the wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA/vclauto But if I try to run build.xml via ant, to get the junit.jar, I got the following error: http://pastebin.com/ZRc3frep Turning the firewall of does not help. Can I simply load the junit.jar manualy, or is there an other problem. Thanks for help. Greetings Raphael -- My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ -- Best Wishes, LiFeng Wang
Re: [UX] Harvesting social data
KG01 - see comments inline. On Jun 21, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: .On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight, feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future product direction. Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost. A tip that should be better known, for doing a rough sort of Twitter data: When doing a search, add the string :) or :( to get positive or negative posts. For example, compare search.twitter.com for Obama :) to Obama :( (don't include the quotes) This could be used as a simple form of sentiment analysis for AOO-related queries. -Rob KG01 - indeed, we should investigate social sentiment tooling. To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none. All are encouraged to capture and post data in the AOO UX wiki [1]. See the Google+ Data wiki page [2] for an example of how we might capture social data. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin
Re: [UX] Harvesting social data
KG01 - see comments inline On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:38 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Collectively, our social assets present a huge opportunity to engage the AOO user community, capture insight, feedback and thoughts on the current health of our products, and our future product direction. Harvesting data from our social media assets, forums and mailing lists is an extremely challenging task. With s much content in disparate sources, it is likely that many threads will fade into the archives. However, we can attempt to harvest any insight that is considered relevant and actionable - so that the valueable data is not lost. To be clear, I understand that such effort is not going to capture everything, nor is it ever complete. Rather, this is a chance to capture any notable insight that could help drive informed design and development decisions in the future. Some data is better than none. All are encouraged to capture and post data in the AOO UX wiki [1]. See the Google+ Data wiki page [2] for an example of how we might capture social data. [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Social_Data_-_Google%2B Such raw data can help feed the development of informed UX work products moving forward. For example, such data can help us define our user roles, validate key usage scenarios and capture actionable product recommendations. Also, some AOO contributors cannot access some social media sites. Capturing social data in the AOO UX wiki also ensures the relevant and actionable social data is open, accessible and visible to all. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin Ha! Yes, as I was just thinking about this yesterday as well after I looked at the Google+ posts, it would certainly be great to come up with standard process to collecting/capturing this kind of information. KG01 - I wish :). We can attempt to find owners for different assets who report on sentiment. Like a moderator, but just focused on data. We can try the manual harvest a see how it goes. So thanks for this post. It would be optimal if there were some scripted way of collecting this information and posting it somewhere. -- MzK Known commonly as the jackass, this long-eared little creature is respected throughout the southwest—roundly cursed yet respected—and here he is usually referred to by his Spanish name, burro. Because of his extraordinary bray, he is sometimes ironically called the Arizona Nightingale. -- Arizona, the Grand Canyon State: A State Guide, By Federal Writers' Project
RE: [RELEASE][3.4.1]Release Bloker: proposing Bug 119803 - After upgrading to 3.4 RTF User Fields are not saving
Re-send it, seems failed last time. This is a bug about user fields lost after save in RTF file. This is a regression issue, it is work fine in OOo 3.3. ej19...@gmail.com 2012-06-07 10:23:13 UTC To duplicate: Create a rtf document with a version 3.4. Menu Options Insert -Field --Other ---User Fields At this point the variable list is shown. Insert a new variable and click the green check. The variable shows up in the list and appears to be saving. Insert the variable into the document to use it. Close the doc and reopen. When the document reopens the variable is not present and is de-referenced in the doc. This appears to be a critical error. This function is used by many developers along with UNO to published merged documents. Resolution: Downgrade OpenOffice to 3.4. Thanks, Terry Yang
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012
As stated before, you can count me in for the CFP Jury. I've been a member of the jury for the OOo Conferences 2007 - 2010. In 2010, I have been the head of the jury. I would do this again, if no one else volunteers. But, it's unlikely that I will attend the AOOC 2012 in person. To my experience it's preferable if the head of jury attends in person because there are always last minute challenges (sometimes during the coffee break) to tackle. Peter On 6/21/2012 4:00 AM, Donald Harbison wrote: Forgive the top posting... I am just alerting everyone that I have updated the planning wiki [1] today with the latest proposal content, conference information and work items. We need volunteers, your attention and action. Please take the time to read up, and respond back on this thread with questions and discussion. If you decide to volunteer, please identify yourself and the aspect of the project you are most interested to help with. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.comwrote: We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled an outline together on the wiki [1]. This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality, now is the time to volunteer. Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with the broader conference as well. Share and share alike! I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'. This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are too. Please engage and make this happen. [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp*
[DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin
Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache OpenOffice Conference 2012
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: As stated before, you can count me in for the CFP Jury. I've been a member of the jury for the OOo Conferences 2007 - 2010. In 2010, I have been the head of the jury. I would do this again, if no one else volunteers. But, it's unlikely that I will attend the AOOC 2012 in person. To my experience it's preferable if the head of jury attends in person because there are always last minute challenges (sometimes during the coffee break) to tackle. Peter On 6/21/2012 4:00 AM, Donald Harbison wrote: Forgive the top posting... I am just alerting everyone that I have updated the planning wiki [1] today with the latest proposal content, conference information and work items. We need volunteers, your attention and action. Please take the time to read up, and respond back on this thread with questions and discussion. If you decide to volunteer, please identify yourself and the aspect of the project you are most interested to help with. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: We have the opportunity to frame up and build a 'conference within a conference' within the ApacheCON EU 2012 venue, November 5 - 9th in Sinsheim, Germany. I've pulled an outline together on the wiki [1]. This is a 'call-to-action'. If you want to see this idea become a reality, now is the time to volunteer. Timing is urgent here. In the northern hemisphere, many of us will go off on vacations in July and August. We need to earn our space from ConComm and the other ApacheCon volunteers if this idea has any hope of success. Note that if you volunteer for this effort, you will also need to help out with the broader conference as well. Share and share alike! I have asked that we sharpen our proposal and submit it to ConComm by Friday, June 22nd... in two weeks time. Yes, that's compressed, but I believe we have sufficiently experienced PPMC members who know what it takes to make something like this happen. I've started a proposed committee list on the wiki, but that's all it is a 'start'. This is a great opportunity to re-boot our OpenOffice community in its country of origin. I'm personally very excited about this, and hope you are too. Please engage and make this happen. [1] *http://s.apache.org/4cp* Hi Don et al, I would like to help, but I am based in the US and do not have travel funds to go (as of today). Is there anything I can do to help facilitate the conference from Atlanta GA? Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
I think high severity regression issue, common usage function related issue should be considered as release blocker. 2012/6/21 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
RE: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
I think safety is of high value. That includes security issues and also data loss/corruption. The last includes crashers that result in unrecoverable loss of work. Hidden loss of work and document corruption that does not appear until the document is opened later is particularly serious. - Dennis -Original Message- From: dongjun zong [mailto:zongdj...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 20:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker? I think high severity regression issue, common usage function related issue should be considered as release blocker. 2012/6/21 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: [Call-for-Review] Some issue about memory leak in Aoo3.4
The thrid batch for memory leak issue has been delivered yet. Thanks for Aim's review. https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120038 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120040 Propose to put these memory leak fixed into 3.4.1 2012/6/20 Chao Huang chao.de...@gmail.com The second batch for memory leak issue has been delivered yet. Thanks for Herbert and JianFang's review. http://goog_371113529 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120019 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120021 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120028 2012/6/15 Chao Huang chao.de...@gmail.com hi, all I'm Huang Chao from China. My interesting areas are Mac porting, performance(startup, loading, saving, etc), stability, build env. At recent stage, I will focus on memory leak issue in Aoo3.4. Here are the fixed for memory leak defects I opened. Please confirm them and review them. I will continue to work on this area. Thanks! https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119991 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119992 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119996 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119997 Please note that the patches for bug119996 and bug119997 are on the same source file. -- Best regards, Chao Huang -- Best regards, Chao Huang -- Best regards, Chao Huang
[Call-for-Review] one fix for odt saving performance improvement
hi, all I'm zhang li from China. My main focus is performance(loading, saving, asynchronous loading, etc). I have one fix need for review. It is about odt saving. Please check the below for details, thanks! https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120030 root cause: Do profiling on a sample file, SfxObjectShell::GenerateAndStoreThumbnail is to be found occypy too much time, and it will call SwFlyFrm::Paint several times, but it's unnecessary to paint thumbnail so many times when saving. solution: When thumbnail is generated and stored, in SwFlyFrm::Paint, current visible rectangle will be compared with fly frame rectangle, if the two rectangles don't intersect, SwFlyFrm::Paint will return, need no repaint.
Re: [Call-for-Review] one fix for odt saving performance improvement
for more information, you can refer to the below link: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ODT_saving_performance_improvement On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, li zhang lizh@gmail.com wrote: hi, all I'm zhang li from China. My main focus is performance(loading, saving, asynchronous loading, etc). I have one fix need for review. It is about odt saving. Please check the below for details, thanks! https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120030 root cause: Do profiling on a sample file, SfxObjectShell::GenerateAndStoreThumbnail is to be found occypy too much time, and it will call SwFlyFrm::Paint several times, but it's unnecessary to paint thumbnail so many times when saving. solution: When thumbnail is generated and stored, in SwFlyFrm::Paint, current visible rectangle will be compared with fly frame rectangle, if the two rectangles don't intersect, SwFlyFrm::Paint will return, need no repaint.
[RELEASE][3.4.1]: proposingBug 119459- the position of Shape (connectors) in slide is incorrect after save once by AOO3.4 as release blocker
Hi All, I request that issue 119459 should be solved for AOO 3.4.1. This is a bug about the position of connector shape is incorrect after save as MS PPT 2003 file by AOO3.4. The connector is used to connect two shape, if the position is incorrect, connector will not distinguish which shapes have been connected and the connector will lost its meaning.So the right connector position is very important for user.So I think solving this issue is very valuable for user,propose it as release blocker. I have added the patch for this issue, and Armin (thanks to armin.le.gr...@me.com) have reviewed it and submitted it. see details:https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119459 Any objections to mark this issue as a release blocker for AOO 3.4.1? pls give your comments, many thanks.
Fwd: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker
Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
+1 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com wrote: I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker
Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
+1 2012/6/21 Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com: I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
The scenario can be covered by automated testing. I will write a testcase to verify the defect based on VCLAuto. But, until now, no one help me to commit the VCLAuto code. I has attached it to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119998 2012/6/21 Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com: I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
On 6/21/12 5:51 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I think safety is of high value. That includes security issues and also data loss/corruption. The last includes crashers that result in unrecoverable loss of work. Hidden loss of work and document corruption that does not appear until the document is opened later is particularly serious. We used in general the following criteria (details where we are more less based on can be foud under [2]) - crashes (including data loss/corruption) - security fixes - regressions I would also include - memory leaks when a fix is available and it is well tested that nothing else breaks - maintenance issues (like updating reference type library, version strings, images, ...) A micro release like 3.4.1 is only for fixing serious problems and not to introduce new features. Excepting new translations. Minor releases, eg. 3.5, can include any kind of fix, features and improvements. Bigger UI changes should be discussed and probably better included in a major release. See also [1] and especially [2] We should update these pages on demand to reflect our guideline how we want handle this in the future. A common understanding is of course important here. Juergen [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Stopper - Dennis -Original Message- From: dongjun zong [mailto:zongdj...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 20:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker? I think high severity regression issue, common usage function related issue should be considered as release blocker. 2012/6/21 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: [VCLAuto] Problems with build.xml
Hi Raphael Bircher, Did you run the testing successfully? I wanna get some feedback to improve it. 2012/6/20 Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org: Hi Du Am 20.06.12 11:49, schrieb Du Jing: when you run build.xml via ant(select ant 2),please don't select test in configuration check box,only select the prepare.dependencies.Hope can help you~ Yes, it helps, thanks! Greetings Raphael -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
Zhe, I will help to commit the code, thanks your excellent work! 2012/6/21 Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com The scenario can be covered by automated testing. I will write a testcase to verify the defect based on VCLAuto. But, until now, no one help me to commit the VCLAuto code. I has attached it to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119998 2012/6/21 Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com: I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Best regards Lei De Bin
Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
I think release blocker include crash, regression and data loss. A more better definition of show stopper criteria can be found in the wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Showstopper 2012/6/21 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org I think safety is of high value. That includes security issues and also data loss/corruption. The last includes crashers that result in unrecoverable loss of work. Hidden loss of work and document corruption that does not appear until the document is opened later is particularly serious. - Dennis -Original Message- From: dongjun zong [mailto:zongdj...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 20:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker? I think high severity regression issue, common usage function related issue should be considered as release blocker. 2012/6/21 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji -- Best Wishes, LiFeng Wang
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: proposingBug 119459- the position of Shape (connectors) in slide is incorrect after save once by AOO3.4 as release blocker
On 6/21/12 7:31 AM, Yong Lin Ma wrote: This is a problem. A fix for it would be valuable. But I can't say it is a release blocker. There is another thread discussing criteria of release block. You may take a look. I agree that it is probably not a release blocker based on our currently used definition for blocker issues. But thanks for the patch which of course will improve AOO 3.5. Juergen On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, ying sun sunyingshade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I request that issue 119459 should be solved for AOO 3.4.1. This is a bug about the position of connector shape is incorrect after save as MS PPT 2003 file by AOO3.4. The connector is used to connect two shape, if the position is incorrect, connector will not distinguish which shapes have been connected and the connector will lost its meaning.So the right connector position is very important for user.So I think solving this issue is very valuable for user,propose it as release blocker. I have added the patch for this issue, and Armin (thanks to armin.le.gr...@me.com) have reviewed it and submitted it. see details:https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119459 Any objections to mark this issue as a release blocker for AOO 3.4.1? pls give your comments, many thanks.
Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker?
2012/6/21 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com On 6/21/12 5:51 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I think safety is of high value. That includes security issues and also data loss/corruption. The last includes crashers that result in unrecoverable loss of work. Hidden loss of work and document corruption that does not appear until the document is opened later is particularly serious. We used in general the following criteria (details where we are more less based on can be foud under [2]) - crashes (including data loss/corruption) - security fixes - regressions I would also include - memory leaks when a fix is available and it is well tested that nothing else breaks - maintenance issues (like updating reference type library, version strings, images, ...) A micro release like 3.4.1 is only for fixing serious problems and not to introduce new features. Excepting new translations. +1 Minor releases, eg. 3.5, can include any kind of fix, features and improvements. Bigger UI changes should be discussed and probably better included in a major release. +1 See also [1] and especially [2] We should update these pages on demand to reflect our guideline how we want handle this in the future. A common understanding is of course important here. +1 Juergen [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Stopper - Dennis -Original Message- From: dongjun zong [mailto:zongdj...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 20:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]What is the criteria for 3.4.1 release blocker? I think high severity regression issue, common usage function related issue should be considered as release blocker. 2012/6/21 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com From my point of view, security and high usability issue should be set as blocker 2012/6/21 debin lei le...@apache.org Hi, All I noticed that there are some issues, which are proposed as 3.4.1 release blocker recently. However, I am not sure what is the criteria for the release blocker? Is it regression or impact serious ? Or high benefit to risk ratio from dev view ? I think maybe consider more things, but not sure. So if you can give your criteria and discuss here to make the things more clear will be very helpful. Thanks. Best regards. Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji -- Best regards, Chao Huang
Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo
DeBin, Yes, it's a regression issue. The problem doesn't exist in OO 3.3 2012/6/21 De Bin Lei debin@gmail.com Hi, Ji Is it a regression one? 2012/6/21 Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker. AOO crashed easily while trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji Begin forwarded message: From: bugzi...@apache.org Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00 To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com has asked for 3.4.1_release_blocker: Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045 --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem. Propose 3.4.1 release blocker -- Best regards Lei De Bin -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
