Re: [opensuse-factory] createrepo updated, seems now to be able to create sqlite db
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 10:44:54PM +0100, Richard Bos wrote: createrepo seems to have been updated and appears to have obtained functionality to create an sqlite database, besides or instead of the xml data file. More about this on in this email: http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2007-February/000585.html Would it be possible for opensuse to provide the xml and the sqlite databases for the opensuse package repositories (incuding the build server)? Of course on the condition, that it all appears to be working as expected... We have already looked into this, but found it not to be usable so far, as the sqlite database schema turns out to be a plain represetation of the xml files, i.e. it's quite suboptimal for libzypp, which uses its own database schema. Duncan, could you please elaborate on the details -- I know you did some benchmarks already. For yum uses it might still make sense to enable the sqlite db support (-d option of createrop 0.4.8). Best, Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] createrepo updated, seems now to be able to create sqlite db
* Christoph Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-01-70 12:34]: We have already looked into this, but found it not to be usable so far, as the sqlite database schema turns out to be a plain represetation of the xml files, i.e. it's quite suboptimal for libzypp, which uses its own database schema. Duncan, could you please elaborate on the details -- I know you did some benchmarks already. For yum uses it might still make sense to enable the sqlite db support (-d option of createrop 0.4.8). openSUSE 10.1 2.6.18.5-jen40-default SMP x86_64 Appears to be a dependency error in [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14:53 wahoo:~ # createrepo /home/pat/Desktop/Downloads/. Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/createrepo/genpkgmetadata.py, line 32, in ? import dumpMetadata File /usr/share/createrepo/dumpMetadata.py, line 32, in ? import sqlitecachec File /usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/sqlitecachec.py, line 15, in ? import sqlite ImportError: No module named sqlite 10:51 wahoo:~ rpm -qa |grep sqlite sqlite2-32bit-2.8.17-13 mono-data-sqlite-1.1.13.8-7 sqlite-3.3.5-9.1 sqlite-32bit-3.2.8-14 sqlite2-2.8.17-13 python-sqlite2-2.2.0-0.pm.0 I have reverted to createrepo-0.4.4-9.3.noarch.rpm and have no problem. tks, -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] createrepo updated, seems now to be able to create sqlite db
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Christoph Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-01-70 12:34]: We have already looked into this, but found it not to be usable so far, as the sqlite database schema turns out to be a plain represetation of the xml files, i.e. it's quite suboptimal for libzypp, which uses its own database schema. Duncan, could you please elaborate on the details -- I know you did some benchmarks already. For yum uses it might still make sense to enable the sqlite db support (-d option of createrop 0.4.8). openSUSE 10.1 2.6.18.5-jen40-default SMP x86_64 Appears to be a dependency error in [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14:53 wahoo:~ # createrepo /home/pat/Desktop/Downloads/. Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/createrepo/genpkgmetadata.py, line 32, in ? import dumpMetadata File /usr/share/createrepo/dumpMetadata.py, line 32, in ? import sqlitecachec File /usr/lib64/python2.4/site-packages/sqlitecachec.py, line 15, in ? import sqlite ImportError: No module named sqlite 10:51 wahoo:~ rpm -qa |grep sqlite sqlite2-32bit-2.8.17-13 mono-data-sqlite-1.1.13.8-7 sqlite-3.3.5-9.1 sqlite-32bit-3.2.8-14 sqlite2-2.8.17-13 python-sqlite2-2.2.0-0.pm.0 potential problem. I have reverted to createrepo-0.4.4-9.3.noarch.rpm and have no problem. What does rpm -q --changelog python tell you? It should include: * Mo Jan 08 2007 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - fix sqlite3 support (#228733) Best, Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] createrepo updated, seems now to be able to create sqlite db
* Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-07 14:31]: [...] 14:27 wahoo:~ rpm -q python python-2.4.2-18.5 update reverted to: python-sqlite2-2.0.4-1.guru.suse101 upgraded createrepo: createrepo-0.4.7-3.1 same error. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Almost Did It!
On Saturday 10 February 2007 07:30, Kai Ponte wrote: After weeks of trying, I almost beat 6:00:00 on five laps of On the Beach on Super Tux Cart at Racer level... http://donutmonster.com/stuff/2007/20070210_tuxkart_6006.jpg ...and they say SUSE has no games worth playing! I don't play that game, but I'm always playing Freecell on Pysol, and I think this is pretty darn good and braggable: http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/Pillbottle/kickass.jpg I also had a competition between a friend and I playing Shisen-Sho...after about 6 months of us going at it, my fastest time was 44 seconds. He kicked my butt with 32 seconds. I gave up when I saw that, heh. But yeah, my friends are always jealous that I have so many games to play, even if they aren't mostly store-bought 3-D stuff. Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 Damn straight! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] livemeeting and SIP client support for linux
On Saturday 10 February 2007 10:02, Rami Michael wrote: Hello All, Is there any way you know of to get MS livemeeting support inside of linux? I have found nothing so far and I am afraid I will need some type of vmware running just for livemeeting :( Also, anything that works with the MS enterprise chat client that is SIP based? I have always used GAIM on linux but do not see anything there, which is a bad sign for me. Not sure about this since I can't (hence don't) use it because all I have is dial-up, but maybe Ekiga? www.ekiga.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YOU Kernel Updates - 2.6.18.2-34, require 2.6.21
Thanks, sounds like KOTD will suffice in due time; RPM I can live with :) I remember under 10.1, YOU presented a new kernel update with description The Linux Kernel; I may have added some arcane RPM source to YOU however. The board is a vanilla P5B (no WIFI) .. cheers. On 2/11/07, Markus Koßmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 schrieb Brett King: So, my question is when could I expect to see a kernel update to 2.6.21 or later available via Yast2 Online Update or ZMD ? And secondly, which installation source(s) should I have present to allow new kernel packages to be visible ? First thing : There is no 2.6.21 kernel released yet. It's still in development and you will have to wait for the official release at least one month I think. And a 2.6.21 kernel will never be distributed by Yast2 Online Update. YOU distributes by definition only bugfixes, no upgrades. There is your mirror of ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd. This is currently at 2.6.20. This provides ready to use rpms, but AFAIK there is no installation source for that. You have to download that manually. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reverting to xorg 7.1
charles buchanan wrote: So this has been done and the drivers were installed, but I still can't change resolutions and other things. In theory it should work now. :-O Did you run sax2 -m 0=fglrx from a console after you installed it? -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Apps fail to exit cleanly
On Saturday 10 February 2007 16:51, Tom Patton wrote: I posted a part of this last week, but excused it as I had not pulled in all the upgrades for 10.2. Now I have everything current, I believe, and still have the issue++. It started with Firefox leaving 'firefox-bin' running, so a new session will not start until I remove firefox-bin with either top or killall firefox-bin. In addition, I have seen similar instances with kinternet refusing to start, thinking it is still running. Killall then re-launch gets it going. And the third part of the puzzle...over the past week, on logging into gnome, and launching evolution, I will get the keyring password window maybe 1 out of three times. When I do get the keyring login, evolution works fine. When I don't, I have to enter my pop password every time I check mail. (of course, if I'm on kde or fvwm, I have the password issue anyway...) So far I have not found any error logs to shed light on this. The firefox issue is repeatable in my laptop AND the kids pc, all three running 10.2. All three of the above complaints are intermittent, which really has me scratching my head! It will happen in kde, fvwm, gnome OR twm. perhaps it is related to the recent thread about smp kernel as the default? Linux master 2.6.18.2-34-default #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 11:46:27 UTC 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux this is an athlon fx 2800 with a gig of ram (32-bit). The kids pc is a pentium 4 with the same kernel Linux Camserv2 2.6.18.2-34-default #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 11:46:27 UTC 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Has anyone seen anything similar? Tom in NM firefox hangs up too frequently for me too. had to manually kill it a few times, not every time. kmail often shows that it is trying to get mail from the provider, but nothing besides the blue bar on the bottom right going back anc forth happens. that's on a reliable cable connection to a reliable mail server. other apps freeze up as well, including console windows!!! now it happens every time i run df, it will probably clear up with a reboot, like a number of other things shades of windoze98!!! is this behavior like a token of friendship thing between ms and novel? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to schedule an application to run and close
Greetings Dan. Søndag 11 februar 2007 07:36 kvad Dan: Does anyone know of a scheduling utility that will run a shortcut or an application at a specified time and then shut it down at a specified time? I think cron or at. In both cases you would need two entries for the scheduling utility -- one starting the program at the specified time, and one stopping the program at an other specified time. Best regards :o) Johnny :o) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to schedule an application to run and close
Dan wrote: Does anyone know of a scheduling utility that will run a shortcut or an application at a specified time and then shut it down at a specified time? Cron -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Skype alternative needed for dial-up.
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 16:07 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 13:20, Tony Alfrey wrote: pelibali wrote: Hi, Some time ago I skype-ed with my mom sitting on modem dial-up. Sounds kinky. I suggest Gizmo http://www.gizmoproject.com I've not had first-hand experience with Gizmo, but several of my co-workers swear by it. Give it a try. Do they mention if they can get a land line user on it, iow, from their systems talk to someone on a (cell)phone? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Adding repo
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 16:29 -0800, Robert Lewis wrote: charles buchanan wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 08:50, Carl Hartung wrote: On Sat February 10 2007 11:27, charles buchanan wrote: snip ADD = Http Server = ftp.skynet.be Location = pub/packman/suse/10.1/ Hi Charles, First, use Konqueror to browse there and confirm a directory for 10.2 exists: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.2/ (it does) Next, avoid including leading or trailing slashes when adding installation sources in YaST. Try it like this: Add -- http Server -- ftp.skynet.be Location -- pub/packman/suse/10.2 hth regards, Carl Didn't I say the answer will probably be simple? argh What I was doing was copying the link address instead of just the type. It worked. (of course) Thanks Carl! As far as the leading or tailing slashes are concerned it amazes me that the SUSE folks haven't written the code such that it could be entered either way. Parsing the line as entered by the human and assembling it to the expected input is something a first year computer science guy can do with ease. I think it's called human engineering. Perhaps this can be considered for the future. Cheers, Bob and, furthermore, why can't it just be one line? e.g.http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.2/ Why do *I* have to pick ftp, http, https, etc ??? Why do *I* have to split the url into three pieces ??? Carl recommends : First, use Konqueror to browse there and confirm a directory for 10.2 exists: So why can't I just paste the url into the yast screen. Make it easy for me. I guess an enhancement request is in my future. Actually I have done that on 10.2, in the add sources module, using an URL was an option at the bottom of types page. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YOU Kernel Updates - 2.6.18.2-34, require 2.6.21
On Saturday 10 February 2007, Markus Koßmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 schrieb Brett King: So, my question is when could I expect to see a kernel update to 2.6.21 or later available via Yast2 Online Update or ZMD ? And secondly, which installation source(s) should I have present to allow new kernel packages to be visible ? First thing : There is no 2.6.21 kernel released yet. It's still in development and you will have to wait for the official release at least one month I think. And a 2.6.21 kernel will never be distributed by Yast2 Online Update. YOU distributes by definition only bugfixes, no upgrades. There is your mirror of ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd. This is currently at 2.6.20. This provides ready to use rpms, but AFAIK there is no installation source for that. You have to download that manually. There appears to be a repository for 2.6.20 here: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_10.2 -- _ John Andersen pgpMQExx6fpGe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 dual onboard NICs not recognized
I would advice you to run YAST, and check if your NIC got detected there. when you finish looking through the details of your NICs , it'll automatically start itself Installed openSUSE 10.2, dual-booting with Windows XP. Installation was fine with no errors. I cannot connect to Internet when using SUSE. Motherboard has two onboard NICs. In YaST, Network Cards, both NICs are detected and configured with same settings, showing as eth-bus devices 0 and 1. Both are set to be enabled on boot. Have tried setting them as Internal and External devices. Ifconfig only displays eth2 and the loopback interfaces. There isn't an eth2 device installed, so I don't know where this is coming from and eth2 doesn't display in YaST. Cable modem is connected to eth1. I'd like to have both Ethernet ports working, but at this point would settle for just one that can pick up its DHCP address and connect to the Internet. Any ideas? TIA Richard Cromi email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Skype alternative needed for dial-up.
Hi, On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:07:28 -0800 Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 13:20, Tony Alfrey wrote: pelibali wrote: Hi, Some time ago I skype-ed with my mom sitting on modem dial-up. Sounds kinky. I suggest Gizmo http://www.gizmoproject.com I've not had first-hand experience with Gizmo, but several of my co-workers swear by it. Give it a try. I had downloaded that one already, but it doesn't work! Either my SUSE 9.1, nor my mom's SUSE 8.2 have gtk2 = 2.6. I tried first their newest version, then went for several older releases, like 1.x and 0.x... Anyway, thanks for the idea, Pelibali -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Separate /srv partition for a home file server?
I am preparing a small server for my house hold with openSUSE 10.2. It will primarily work as a file server (samba) with each users own ~home, as well as some shares for mp3s etc. Maybe I will also install Apache if I can find a nice web based jukebox for accessing mp3s to various client computers. My disk drive is 250 GB. I am thinking about something like: swap1 GB / 10 GB /home 240 GB 1) Is is OK with one 10 GB / for both software, logs etc? Or should I give e.g. /var its own partition? 2) Should I consider a separate /srv partition for mp3s etc, or will I do just fine but placing shared folders in a sparate home directory which everybody in my household can access? I am asking because YaST suggest placering https docs in /src/web/ (which would be the same as my /) Janus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED: [opensuse] Almost Did It!
On Sunday 11 February 2007 12:42, Fajar Priyanto wrote: So I did a manual installation: fajar101:/home/fajar/Documents/source # rpm -ivh supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libplibfnt.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibjs.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibpu.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibpw.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibsg.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibsl.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibssg.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibssgaux.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 libplibul.so.0 is needed by supertuxkart-0.2.0-1.1.i586 Where can I find the dependencies? Seems like I cannot find it in Yast (DVD). Using rpmfind.net I found plib that provides those packages. I was ready to play :) But, then it failed with: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ supertuxkart Data files will be fetched from: '/usr/share/games/supertuxkart/' Config file '/home/fajar/.supertuxkart/config' does not exist, it will be created. PW: This is an *INDIRECT* rendering context.PW: That may be bad for performance.supertuxkart: indirect_vertex_array.c:1359: __indirect_glTexCoordPointer: Assertion `a != ((void *)0)' failed. Aborted Maybe it's because I don't use ATI proprietary driver? After upgrading to the proprietary driver using sax2 and activating the 3D accellarator, I finally can play it. Cool! -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 8:15pm up 0:15, 2.6.16.21-0.8-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org pgpKTVrAgpZjq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Separate /srv partition for a home file server?
On Sunday 11 February 2007 18:07, Janus wrote: I am preparing a small server for my house hold with openSUSE 10.2. It will primarily work as a file server (samba) with each users own ~home, as well as some shares for mp3s etc. Maybe I will also install Apache if I can find a nice web based jukebox for accessing mp3s to various client computers. My disk drive is 250 GB. I am thinking about something like: swap 1 GB / 10 GB /home 240 GB 1) Is is OK with one 10 GB / for both software, logs etc? Or should I give e.g. /var its own partition? 2) Should I consider a separate /srv partition for mp3s etc, or will I do just fine but placing shared folders in a sparate home directory which everybody in my household can access? I am asking because YaST suggest placering https docs in /src/web/ (which would be the same as my /) Regarding whether we should separate certain directory from /, the rule of thumb is that if we want to be able to format/reinstall Linux without having the hassle of backing up/moving data to other machine first, then we should separate it. Your partition plan is OK. Regarding the web directory we can always change it into /home/www (whichever). On a side note, it's even better if we use LVM, so that when in the future we run out of space, we can expand it into another disk seamlessly. HTH, -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 8:21pm up 0:21, 2.6.16.21-0.8-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org pgpmab6J0n3Tc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 dual onboard NICs not recognized
Richard Cromi schrieb: Installed openSUSE 10.2, dual-booting with Windows XP. Installation was fine with no errors. I cannot connect to Internet when using SUSE. Motherboard has two onboard NICs. I had to re-configure both NICs two times and restart the network 3 times till the yast-configs got accepted. Maybe I should hava change the scripts manually... thx -- /NoCTRL @ ICQ:171000472 (GNU/)Linux registered user # 437835 (goto: http://counter.li.org/) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum tar file size
Bryan S. Tyson wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 19:06, Kai Ponte wrote: Um, for some reason, K3B can't make a DVD out of one 4.7GB file. I don't quite understand why - something to do with math, and I suck at math. In any case, I can put two 2 GB files on a DVD without a problem. Files in an ISO filesystem can be no larger than 2 GB. If you want to burn a DVD with larger files, use UDF. How would you select UDF in KDar? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Separate /srv partition for a home file server?
On Sunday 11 February 2007 14:21, Fajar Priyanto wrote: Regarding whether we should separate certain directory from /, the rule of thumb is that if we want to be able to format/reinstall Linux without having the hassle of backing up/moving data to other machine first, then we should separate it. As security updates for openSUSE 10.2 is scheduled to be discontinued by ultimo 2008 (thanks, Kai!), I'll need to update some day. That's why I want a separate /home. Considering my simple setup, I guess config files from /etc etc is someting I can easily backup manually (if not easier to setup again using YaST). /Srv is new to me. Having to separate /srv and /home would almost certainly give me problems some day with the wrong partition running out of space. Should I consider other separate partitions - /tmp etc? Your partition plan is OK. Regarding the web directory we can always change it into /home/www (whichever). So what's the point of /srv? Does it mean a more secure system, or is it more a question of making a logical and clear devision between what's private and whats public on a server? On a side note, it's even better if we use LVM, so that when in the future we run out of space, we can expand it into another disk seamlessly. HTH, hmmm... very tempting concept, but I guess I am too conservative and short sighted to play with it at the moment. :-) Thanks! Janus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] X system random crashes
How should I pursue correcting the subject problem? This is an Opteron 175 DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 with dual XFX GeForce 6800 XT graphic adapters driving four monitors in Xinerama mode. Neither the motherboard or the graphic adapters are overclocked. Linux chipotle 2.6.18.2-34-bigsmp #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 11:46:27 UTC 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux NVIDIA Driver Version: 1.0-9631 Xorg.0.log shows Backtrace: 0: /usr/bin/Xorg(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80cbf81] 1: [0xb7f5c420] Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting (II) Screen 0 shares mem io resources (II) Screen 1 shares mem io resources (II) Screen 2 shares mem io resources (II) Screen 3 shares mem io resources (EE) NVIDIA(3): Failed to tear down DAC /var/log/messages shows Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 0400 d938 ff211c1c Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 1, Channel 0002 Method Data 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:33 chipotle kernel: NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 6, PE0002 01047c01 Feb 11 08:30:35 chipotle kdm[4764]: X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly The crashes are always associated with bus ID 2:0:0, which nvidia-settings identifies as GPU 1 (5:0:0 is GPU 0).) There are of course many more possibly pertinent files, but I'll wait for suggestions before posting long config files. Regards, Gary -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings of Gnome conflicts. I can't even get my openSuSE install DVD out of the drive because it says I don't have Kmediamanager running. Pushing the eject button on the drive does nothing because SOMETHING has it locked. I can't unmount the drive. I guess I'm going to have to resort to the paper clip method to open the drive tray. If I could get the video to work I think I would go back to 10.0 on this box. Hell, I might as well just install the Vista upgrade when I get it. Can't have any more headaches than I do now. The hell of it is that I was just getting this thing to work pretty good. Now I think I may just scrap 10.2 and wait for 11.0 to come out and try again on this box. Use it for Windows till then. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings of Gnome conflicts. Exactly what do you mean by update my KDE stuff? Are you installing KDE updates from the build service? If you are, you should be aware that those are bleeding edge experimental packages, and hardly something you should mess with if you just want your computer to work. Those packages are for people who like to play around with their installs, and aren't afraid of breaking things in the process -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum tar file size
James, I use kdar and what I do is I select DVD 4.7 and then I reduce the size to 4.0 and it works great. Then to restore you just load the last one and select and restore. No in relation with the topic of this thread, the maximal file size depends on three variables: 1. the operating system 2. the file system 3. the tar version. You can overcome limitation in the file system piping the output. For example you can tar to stout and redirect to a file and also the stderr. tar -cp -ppPv --posix -f - /home/me/ 2 MeLogFile MeTarFile or :-) tar --create --preserve-permissions --preserve-order --absolute-names --verbose --verify --posix -f --to-stdout /home/me 2 MeTarFile.log MeTarFile.tar Restoring is the opposite xf - MeTarFile Ciao -=terry(Denver)=- On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 08:53 -0500, James Knott wrote: Bryan S. Tyson wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 19:06, Kai Ponte wrote: Um, for some reason, K3B can't make a DVD out of one 4.7GB file. I don't quite understand why - something to do with math, and I suck at math. In any case, I can put two 2 GB files on a DVD without a problem. Files in an ISO filesystem can be no larger than 2 GB. If you want to burn a DVD with larger files, use UDF. How would you select UDF in KDar? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings of Gnome conflicts. Exactly what do you mean by update my KDE stuff? Are you installing KDE updates from the build service? If you are, you should be aware that those are bleeding edge experimental packages, and hardly something you should mess with if you just want your computer to work. Those packages are for people who like to play around with their installs, and aren't afraid of breaking things in the process Just update through the normal SuSE oss/nonoss repos, packman, guru, etc. You know, you open Yast and go to Software management [ go watch a movie ] and, lets say for some reason you don't have Samba installed so you search for samba and a long list appears in the right window. Some are blue and some are black,[ and possibly red once in a while ]. The blue ones have a newer version available so you decide to go ahead and update them. Next thing you know your wading through about four hundred Gnome conflicts that wants to uninstall everything from the kernel to k3b. THEN it tells you that there is no installable source for this or that package that it said there was an update to. GH! -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
Coming to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from my 10.2 box and decide which method to use on 10.2: 1) Dynamite 2) Shotgun 3) Sledge Hammer Personally, I'm tending towards the dynamite. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
eject button on the drive does nothing because SOMETHING has it locked. I can't unmount the drive. I guess I'm going to have to resort to the paper clip method to open the drive tray. You can unmount the drive... use the lazy method. Take a look at the man page for umount. There is a lazy option... umount -l should force it to unmount It would be interesting to find out what has been going wrong for you. For me, 10.2 has been rock solid stable since I sorted out my sound card hardware problems. In fact for everyone I've helped install 10.2 has had excellent results.. mind you, I am not hooking them up with the bleeding edge repositories... only the update repos and Guru/Packman (to get the codecs, MPlayer, dvd stuff, mp3 stuff). If they stick to those, everything works beautifully. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
Am Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 schrieb Billie Erin Walsh: Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings of Gnome conflicts. Exactly what do you mean by update my KDE stuff? Are you installing KDE updates from the build service? If you are, you should be aware that those are bleeding edge experimental packages, and hardly something you should mess with if you just want your computer to work. Those packages are for people who like to play around with their installs, and aren't afraid of breaking things in the process Just update through the normal SuSE oss/nonoss repos, packman, guru, etc. and what exactly IS etc on your box? post the output of zypper sl here, otherwise noone can help you. bye, MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum tar file size
Teruel de Campo MD wrote: James, I use kdar and what I do is I select DVD 4.7 and then I reduce the size to 4.0 and it works great. Then to restore you just load the last one and select and restore. I already do that. My question was about using UDF with KDar as a means of allowing more than 4 GB slices. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Disable ability to switch between menu systems, how-to?
Hi list, I don't want my users to be able to switch away from the traditional SuSE/KDE menu system (i.e., select the new system). How do I do that? I suspect I'll need to put a [$i] into some KDE config file to lock it. Which and where ? -- - Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
* Billie Erin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-07 10:22]: Coming to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from my 10.2 box and decide which method to use on 10.2: 1) Dynamite 2) Shotgun 3) Sledge Hammer Personally, I'm tending towards the dynamite. You *will* stay close? :^) -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:14 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: BEWComing to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from my BEW10.2 box and decide which method to use on 10.2: BEW BEW1) Dynamite BEW2) Shotgun BEW3) Sledge Hammer BEW BEWPersonally, I'm tending towards the dynamite. BEW BEW-- BEW(o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) BEWBillie Walsh BEWThe three best words in the English Language: BEWI LOVE YOU BEWPass them on! Well, the first two will probably have the police at your door! grin Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reverting to xorg 7.1
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:11:47 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: JM(charles buchanan wrote: JM( So this has been done and the drivers were installed, but I still can't change JM( resolutions and other things. In theory it should work now. :-O JM(Did you run sax2 -m 0=fglrx from a console after you installed it? No I didn't! :-( I will give it a shot when I can get back into Linux. HAd to re-install WIndows last night and the only thing that it should have affected was the bootloader, which was expected, but it seems I have to try and re-build the fstab file somehow. Tried the repair and it still says failed. :-( Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Maximum tar file size
James, You can unchecked slicing and it will produce a single file or select custom and it will slice it in anything you want. The only reason of slicing is to be able to fit into dvd. The 4.7 number is more virtual than real. udf will allow you to use slices 2Gb (B was comparing it with the iso)but it will not increase the size of the dvd ;-) The 4.7 is total manufactures disk capacity in decimal notation. When you use binary notation, you include the logical format (udf etc) and any error management system you can loose easily 0.5 GB. In summary manufactures total capacity do not express YOUR data capacity. Furthermore total capacity also varies according the quality of the media. So your alternatives include : double density media, lan storage or tape which is what I use for backups. Ciao -=terry(Denver)=- On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 10:25 -0500, James Knott wrote: Teruel de Campo MD wrote: James, I use kdar and what I do is I select DVD 4.7 and then I reduce the size to 4.0 and it works great. Then to restore you just load the last one and select and restore. I already do that. My question was about using UDF with KDar as a means of allowing more than 4 GB slices. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Well, the first two will probably have the police at your door! grin I live out in the boonies, as my daughters say. Shooting and blasting are not a problem. Besides the neighbors all know I'm crazy and have guns. *[:oD -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
* Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-07 11:09]: [...] Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Geez! well, he's not alone, and '' and '(^_^)' also break but you do what you want -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:07, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Geez! Good, because he's not the only one who finds it very annoying and it makes scanning of list mails a PITA, 1 is plenty David -- Windows Sucks! Linux Works! Windows Crashes! Linux Has A.B.S Airbags! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. I don't have Gnome installed, and I run Firefox and Thunderbird without problem -- I've read somewhere that KDE and Gnome have been updated to play nice together, so you don't normally need to install one to use its programs under the other. But I don't use Gftp, gramps, or Sunbird, so I can't say anything about them. ... I can't even get my openSuSE install DVD out of the drive because it says I don't have Kmediamanager running. Pushing the eject button on the drive does nothing because SOMETHING has it locked. I can't unmount the drive. I guess I'm going to have to resort to the paper clip method to open the drive tray. Well, I run 6 desktops, and I've found that when I can't unmount or eject a drive, it means that some program on one of them has it open -- for instance, I will have cd'd to the drive in one of my dozen or more konsole tabs and forgotten about it, or one of my konqueror invocations has it displayed in one of its tabs. Once I've found and fixed that, the eject goes smoothly. ... The hell of it is that I was just getting this thing to work pretty good. As others have mentioned, you shouldn't be updating for all the bleeding edge stuff unless you really have the knowledge to clean up after someone else's mistakes or oversights. I had been following this list and had gotten the impression that the more update sites I had, the better off I was, so every time I saw a new one I put it into my yast site list. I had a dozen or so sites, and a continual update mess. After I came across the less is better for non-gurus comment, I reinstalled 10.0 with just suse and packman for updating, and the whole thing behaved nicely (until the zen disaster with 10.1). With 10.2, I even dumped packman, since I don't really need mplayer for the little multimedia stuff I deal with. I don't seem to have any use for the other stuff packman has beyond opensuse's resources. Since then, I've been quite comfortable with suse, and updates have gone smoothly for the most part. On the rare occasions that zen has misbehaved, I fire up YOU, and that seems to clear up even zen's messes. -- John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:12:25 -0500, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: * Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-07 11:09]: [...] Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Geez! well, he's not alone, and '' and '(^_^)' also break but you do what you want -- Patrick Shanahan Ok, granted, when I re-installed everything early this morning, I had a brain fart and turned the initials on. My Bad. I used the smiley faces to lighten things up because (some) people are just way too serious about stuff that really isn't about life or death. Ok, maybe some will die defending their Linux box, but still, I think people ought to lighten up a little. It wasn't like I was here purposely trying to piss people off, although granted I have my own buttons that people push all the time, which were covered before so not going to re-hash things. :-) Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates. For the first several weeks, I got no updates and when I asked here was told Oh, everyone knows that's a rotten repo, use one of these instead. So if its a rotten repo, why is it in yast's database of repos to pick from? I didn't choose it, all I did was let yast pick an update repo for me. After that I forced yast to pick a different one, and it actually came up with one of the ones folks suggested as a good repo, but now for several weeks, any attempt to click on the taskbar update icon and say OK, Update has been met with this nonsense: Unresolved dependencies: Updating python-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Updating python-32bit-2.5-19.x86_64[System packages] to python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] There are no installable providers of libsqlite3.so.0 for python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Establishing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] needed by patch:python-2446-0.noarch[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] Installing atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] provides python-32bit == 2.5-19.2, but is scheduled to be uninstalled. There are no installable providers of python-32bit = 2.5-19.2 for atom:python-32bit-2.5-19.2.x86_64[SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates] zypper sl sez: # | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name| URI --+-+-+--+-+-- 1 | Yes | Yes | YaST | 20061219-202641 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ 2 | Yes | Yes | YUM | SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates | http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.2 3 | No | Yes | YaST | 20061213-191726 | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:15:58 +, David Rozzell [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:07, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Geez! Good, because he's not the only one who finds it very annoying and it makes scanning of list mails a PITA, 1 is plenty David Let's see, let's do an experiment shall we? here is part of one of my replies = (^_^) Yes it would, someone suggested a nice simple how-to to fix the mbr (^_^)from the rescue console. That would be nice. However I think your (^_^)mining along the vein of writing to the MBR is probably fruitful. So if (^_^)I could ask a question of the OP, did you have grub write to the MBR (^_^)since you restored your XP? The system booting directly into XP would (^_^)seem to indicate that you didn't. (^_^) (^_^) Carl - What do you think of the idea of having the XP bootloader (^_^)handle booting instead of Grub? There are reasonably simple (^_^)instructions for editing the required files in XP as well as how to get (^_^)file(s) he will need to copy over to his XP root partition. (^_^) (^_^) Mike = Here's part of another reply using the normal way: == On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 06:53:38PM -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Saturday 27 January 2007, Zhang Weiwu wrote: Study shows not every ordinary users actually use google to search for a solution when they got a problem. So if people have to search for how to enable mp3, we already know many people has given up. And also study shows even in opensource world, only 1/7 people go ask questions on forum or mailing list. So if a google search doesn't leads to a workable solution, 6/7 people perhaps give up, only 1/7 will post something like me. Well perhaps only a very few percent will have a true hacker's spirit and hack down a solution when questions on forum/lists doesn't get a solution. = Same amount of area being taken up. Seen way worst ones about. I don't know, maybe it is JUST me, but I'm usualy reading what someone says instead of what's sitting on the left margin! :-D Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Separate /srv partition for a home file server?
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 15:00 +0100, Janus wrote:
/Srv is new to me. Having to separate /srv and /home would almost certainly
give me problems some day with the wrong partition running out of space.
Should I consider other separate partitions - /tmp etc?
Give root ('/') a small partition of its own. Make a large partition and
manage it with LVM. Put /home or /srv and anything else you wish within
their own LV. Then you can change their sizes whenever you need to
without worrying about partitions at all.
Cheers, Dave
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Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:34, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Same amount of area being taken up. Seen way worst ones about. I don't know, maybe it is JUST me, but I'm usualy reading what someone says instead of what's sitting on the left margin! :-D It's got nothing to do with the amount of area being taken up, it's the extra characters before the text that are distracting and annoying when scanning the mails, they break the quoting scheme of other replies. David -- Windows Sucks! Linux Works! Windows Crashes! Linux Has A.B.S Airbags! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
Tom Horsley wrote: My experience with 10.2 has been just as full of update problems, and I haven't even done anything remotely weird with packman repos or anything. All I did was install from the DVD iso, pick most optional packages to install, then occasionally try to run updates. I have no more 10.2 install here not for any problem, but only because I have a perfectly satisfying 10.1 and don't want to touch it. But I _did_ install _and_ update a 10.2, so I can speak of. What I want to say is that a great many people use 10.2 already, on many kind of hardware and are perfectly happy with it. So when you have a problem, the point is not thinking 10.2 is broken, but what the heck have my install that makes me crazy and, beleive me, this can happen (I don't speak only for you but for all the readers :-) So when reporting, it's important to give as many relevant info as you can. practically,two kind of problems arise: software or hardware and they are not easy to know what is one or the other. Personnally, I had dramatic problems with my test system (crashes). Some weeks after of testing it appears that it was a faulty hard drive. Changing the drive solved the problem (but no test did show this, neither the hd maker's tests) On your mail, only one thing made me react: pick most optional packages. What does this mean? did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on? usually going step by step prevents problems... sorry to be long, but I see very long threads going left or right but with little efficiency :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On 02/11/2007 jdd wrote: What I want to say is that a great many people use 10.2 already, on many kind of hardware and are perfectly happy with it. So when you have a problem, the point is not thinking 10.2 is broken, but what the heck have my install that makes me crazy and, beleive me, this can happen (I don't speak only for you but for all the readers :-) Sorry to hijack a portion of this. I can't say I was perfectly happy with 10.2, but I was well on my way after the kernel update. About the only major complaint I had left was the mounting problems I had with Hal. But then I got blind sided with all this gnome garbage from left field. I was REALLY beginning to like 10.2. Even stood up for it on another forum when someone put it down. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
Benjamin Rosenberg writes: I'm not trying to flame, but what I think what their point is .. some mail clients, spam filters and MDA's might have issues with the symbols because they mean something. So it might screw up something, so it's better to be plain and unobtrusive when setting the reply separator. :) Just my 0.02 :) - Ben Thanks Ben. No flame (offense) taken. That sounds more reasonable than what has been stated so far. I have not so great eye sight, but I have no problem reading what someone has said. Sometimes I tend to miss certain things at times, and people jump on me for that too, btw. So far this has been the longest stretch of time that I have dealt with Linux, and that says a LOT because I tend to be impatient at times. My threshold for BS is not what it use to be. I'm on my fifth (I think) re-install of 10.2 as we speak. Tried the repair feature and it wouldn't repair the fstab, it says the smtp daemon was missing and needed installing, but refuse to install it. What's up with that? So, let's try things one more time. :-O You see, these are the things that are (relatively)important, not whether or not or (^_^) is on the side of a message. THANK GOD, I didn't top post! evil grin :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:59, Dylan wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:14 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: BEWComing to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from my ^ Where, exactly, did you get this quoting scheme from? Are you aware that it breaks the quoting scheme making it difficult, not to mention ugly, reading threads? Dylan Glad someone finally mentioned this. It really is UGLY and hard to read. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] GRUB issues at stage 1.5
--- frank nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Christopher Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My menu.lst looks like this (for this email, I am not including all the YAST-inserted comments): default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,5)/boot/message title openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-34-default root=/dev/sda Your problem is here. this dhould read; root=/dev/sda6 and should have some other parameters like; vga=0x317 selinux=0 resume=/dev/hda2 splash=verbose showopts I'm trying not to top-post, so hopefully it will be easier to read and understand. Okay, well, I did a complete reinstall again and this is what Yast built for me: # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Sun Feb 11 17:14:22 UTC 2007 default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,5)/boot/message ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.2-34-default root=/dev/sda6 vga=0x31aresume=/dev/sda5 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.2-34-default ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows### title Windows rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader (hd0,0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.2-34-default root=/dev/sda6 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.2-34-default -- My device.map is fairly simple: (hd0,0)/dev/sda This is also wrong: Should read (hd0) /dev/sda The device.map is now the way it should be according to your message. -- My grub.conf says: setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0) (hd0,5) quit This is correct. My grub.conf is still the same. Unfortunately, its the same result. In order to boot Linux, I have to use the boot installed system option from either the rescue or installation on the CD and select /dev/sda6 as the boot partition. If I do that, it comes up just fine. If I select OpenSuSE 10.2 from the menu booting without the CD, I get a black screen and it sits there. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings of Gnome conflicts. Yeah. My sympathies for G maintainers ;) -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:28, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: I used the smiley faces to lighten things up because (some) people are just way too serious about stuff that really isn't about life or death. KMail has ability to colorize what comes after quote marker which is by default set to and that is information for KMail how to format received email. If you set quote marker to something else than reading is somewhat harder, but thanks to huge markers :-) even without colors it is not really hard. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reverting to xorg 7.1 - Joe
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:11:47 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: charles buchanan wrote: So this has been done and the drivers were installed, but I still can't change resolutions and other things. In theory it should work now. :-O Did you run sax2 -m 0=fglrx from a console after you installed it? -- Joe Morris Well, I just ran that and everything looked good up until the booting into 10.2 and straight to the CLI! :-( Won't even launch the GUI. So many things zipped acrossed (up) the screen, it would take me quite awhile to write all that stuff down! Will try again later to boot into 10.2 and if that don't work, I'll probably try the repair thing...AGAIN! For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Quote indicators, was: 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
* Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-11-07 11:39]: [...] Same amount of area being taken up. Seen way worst ones about. I don't know, maybe it is JUST me, but I'm usualy reading what someone says instead of what's sitting on the left margin! :-D see: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/charles.quoting.jpg for what I see in a *plain* text reader. , expecially is much easier on the eyes. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox : Failed to start VM execution (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
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Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:07:23 -0600, Rajko M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:28, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: I used the smiley faces to lighten things up because (some) people are just way too serious about stuff that really isn't about life or death. KMail has ability to colorize what comes after quote marker which is by default set to and that is information for KMail how to format received email. If you set quote marker to something else than reading is somewhat harder, but thanks to huge markers :-) even without colors it is not really hard. -- Regards, Rajko. Thanks Rajko. Gonna have to try that once I'm back on that side of the world! :-) I use Becky here on Windows because it's the best one I have found, and trust me, over the years, I have tried a LOT of email clients. :-O I use KMail on Linux. I just wish everything I wish to do on Linux wasn't a giant PITA fistfight everytime just to do something simple. rant Some might disagree or have a problem with it, but the possibilty of Linux ever replacing Windows in this household is nil. I install the drivers for my video card on XP, re-boot, it works. Don't have to install the drivers, then run a command afterwards and then find out that now after doing all of this, it won't even launch the GUI. I have a 5.1 sound system hooked up. Sounds fantastic under XP, sounds like crap under Linux. No matter what I do with the mixer, or the equalizer on xmms. At least with xmms I can play mp3's. This is why I said awhile back that these things are the reason(s) why Linux isn't ready for primetime. It's not that Linux sucks and the other BS that people like to throw out there, especially against M$. I'm not here defending M$, but until Linux gets to the point where one doesn't have to jump through hoops just to do something that should be automatic, it will be hard pressed to win over most people who are using Windows. Competition is ALWAYS good! The BIGGEST advantage over Windows that I like about Linux is, you don't have to re-boot twenty times when installing either the OS itself, or a program. It saves wear and tear on your hardware. So IMHO, in order for Linux to hugely cut into the home user market (which it's trying to do), it has to solve these issues. A lot of people see Linux more as a business type OS. You setup a server using Linux and basically forget it. It usually runs forever, but you have to admit that a lot of software developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon because there's no market for them. Most home users use Windows. Windows isn't free, and in a free market, business aren't in business to NOT make money. So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. /rant For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc on dial-up and why 5800 is open?!
On Sunday 11 Feb 2007, pelibali wrote: Hi, My mom's stock/boxed SUSE 8.2 is on dial-up. Sometimes I teach her to do tasks via vnc, being located in another country. I'm new to vnc, but the desktop sharing we do from her KDE session is simple and the thing works quite well... The only thing I would change is to avoid seeing her desktop image when connecting, which would surely accelerate the speed of the connection a lot. I use SUSE 9.1 with KDE 3.3.x, where there was an option to hide desktop background when connecting, but on her earlier KDE's Control Center there was no option like this and disableBackground=true in her respective config file was also without any effect:( Any idea/work-around please to achieve the needed effect or acce- lerate on another way the vnc connection's speed?! The second related question is that on her computer I saw TCP 5800 listening. I didn't see it before she activated the desktop sharing and would be interested, how it could get opened. I didn't activate vnc through xinetd and chkconfig reports it (as supposed) to be deactivated. The only thing is that via KDE's Control Panel we acti- vated the above desktop sharing and immediately moved it to a higher port number. TCP 5800 I just saw accidentally and is anyway firewal- led; the particular port needed by me has been opened under the SuSEfirewall2. Thank you for any thoughts, comments. Pelibali I've not used VNC but I first tried NX If you are both on Linux, have a look at www.nomachine.com. Their free NX Client/server is excellent. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. I agree, linux has a way to go. I also agree that SUSE is getting close. But IMHO the biggest obstacle currently (or the item that would speed progress the most) is to have pre-installation agreements with major hardware vendors. *MOST* windows users don't interact with installation in anyway ... nor should they have to with linux. If the hardware is explicity supported by the OEM then most issues go away. having said that, I still think there are a variety of things (some small, some more to do with process, some major like DVD licensing) that need to be addressed. I wish there was a wiki somewhere that a list of these things could be posted/maintained/argued about and where Novell would pay some attention to it. I would think that the better desktop initiative would want that kind of involvement. For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:59, Peter Van Lone wrote: For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? It continues The record shows I took the blows and did it my way My way, as translated by Paul Anka and made famous by Frank Sinatra -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Skype alternative needed for dial-up.
Mike McMullin wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 16:07 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: On Saturday 10 February 2007 13:20, Tony Alfrey wrote: pelibali wrote: Hi, Some time ago I skype-ed with my mom sitting on modem dial-up. Sounds kinky. I suggest Gizmo http://www.gizmoproject.com I've not had first-hand experience with Gizmo, but several of my co-workers swear by it. Give it a try. Do they mention if they can get a land line user on it, iow, from their systems talk to someone on a (cell)phone? I use Gizmo to talk from my box to anywhere; cell, land line, box, whatever. To a cell is a little more choppy than a land line but acceptable. From a wireless hotspot in a restaurant to the other side of the planet if you like. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Apache running perl in userdir, how?
Hi, I try to get a perl based webapplication running on my opensuse-10.2-i586 installation. It's a bit challenging, so to say The webapplication is ftree (http://www.cs.bme.hu/~bodon/en/ftree2/). In the end I want that I can run this as a regular user in /home/*/public_html/ftree/ (with * being any regular user login). Using yast I have now been able (again) to make /home/*/public_html working again, as this seems only possible via a virtual host 9quite confusing, to say the least). But it does not allow perl scripts to be run (yet). Therefor I changed to /srv/www/cgi-bin, as I know that perl is allowed to be run from there. And indeed ftree can be run from there. Actually ftree is installed in /srv/www/cgi-bin/cgi/ftree.cgi The ftree.cgi script refers to pictures with ../graphics/file, but these are not found. While the files are there (.e.g): /srv/www/cgi-bin/graphics/hblank.gif Why does ftree.cgi does not see those pictures? Is it because /etc/apache2/conf.d/mod_perl.conf specifies: ScriptAlias /cgi-perl/ /srv/www/cgi-bin/ ? Anyway, is someone able to provide me hint how to get perl working in /home/*/public_html. Being with or without yast? Hmm, there are some funny things going on in this apache area. I can't read back the settings with yast for the vhost? Although there is a /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/yast2_vhosts.conf file. Is this a known problem? It does not seem possible configure log files for this vhost, using yast. Is this a known problem? -- Richard Bos We are borroing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:59:56 -0600, Peter Van Lone [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. I agree, linux has a way to go. I also agree that SUSE is getting close. But IMHO the biggest obstacle currently (or the item that would speed progress the most) is to have pre-installation agreements with major hardware vendors. *MOST* windows users don't interact with installation in anyway ... nor should they have to with linux. If the hardware is explicity supported by the OEM then most issues go away. having said that, I still think there are a variety of things (some small, some more to do with process, some major like DVD licensing) that need to be addressed. I wish there was a wiki somewhere that a list of these things could be posted/maintained/argued about and where Novell would pay some attention to it. I would think that the better desktop initiative would want that kind of involvement. Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless than it is. For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? peter Frank Sinatra. (Yes, I know it's a Paul Anka song) :-) In this world of politcally correctness, it's hard to find someone who doesn't kneel! For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:06:14 +0100 jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on? During the install, I clicked on a lot of things that weren't automatically selected to be installed, mainly because I wanted to play with as many things as possible. I left out stuff I knew I wouldn't need like a lot of the laptop and portable computing groups of packages, but basically clicked on all the other choices it gave me at install time, so I installed a lot more than the default, but not more than was on the DVD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Quote indicators [Was: 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 08:34 -0800, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Let's see, let's do an experiment shall we? here is part of one of my replies ... Here's part of another reply using the normal way: ... Same amount of area being taken up. Seen way worst ones about. I don't know, maybe it is JUST me, but I'm usualy reading what someone says instead of what's sitting on the left margin! :-D It's not a question of area. The is standard and understood by mail programs. For instance, some may use one color for new text, another for quoted text, another for quoted text, etc. We are used to that quoting style, so a different one like yours is distracting. Also, if I get a text like: quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote I can automatically reflow it with two keystrokes (^J^J): quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote because the program knows how to handle it. If I try with your text: (^_^) quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote (^_^) quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote I get this garbled thing instead: (^_^) quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote (^_^) quote quote quote quote quote quote quote quote See? :-) What I'm surprised is that it took us so long to tell you ;-) :-P Now, the quoting style I would like to use would be this other one: CRB quote quote quote but unfortunately it is not handled properly by current mail programs; the second level is changed thus by my Pine: CRB quote quote quote which is incorrect, it should be: CRB quote quote quote But that is Fidonet style, not email style, it seems. Or it is Pine which is broken, dunno. The advantage is knowing better who said what. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFz4JZtTMYHG2NR9URAoz1AKCOJdLhQgXDHJEXe+gcrGd0fNFEIwCbB5CR R7UR2Y6+2VXdAP3QPoaArkM= =HFOt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:18:55 -0600 Rajko M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apropos the error, I think that you should use YOU (YaST Online Update) first, that will update z-related packages, and than the rest. Than you should not see the error. Actually, I did try to update in yast instead of using the desktop applet, and got very much the same errors about python problems. I had hoped that if it was just different servers being synced at different times, that they would eventually get back in sync, but this python problem has persisted for weeks. Next time I have 10.2 booted, I'll try making all the repos point to the same mirror and see if that helps, but one of the things I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior out of the box using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:46:51 +0100, Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sunday 11 February 2007 21:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:08 +0100, Anders Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:59, Peter Van Lone wrote: For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? It continues The record shows I took the blows and did it my way My way, as translated by Paul Anka and made famous by Frank Sinatra Admit it, you looked that up didn't you? grin :-) Oh please, I have every record Sinatra ever recorded (that were released that is - and a few that weren't, including one from the 70s where he sings disco). I also managed to see him live three times - so no, I didn't have to look it up :) Man, I must have missed that disco one! lol!!! :-) I would have loved to see him live on stage. For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Quote indicators [Was: 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps]
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:53:44 +0100 (CET), Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: But that is Fidonet style, not email style, it seems. Or it is Pine which is broken, dunno. The advantage is knowing better who said what. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Fidonet? Now THAT brings back memories! :-D Anyway, I was atempting to let this thread die, but I appreciate your explanations and so on. I tend to react better to those types of messages than the I don't like that or it's ugly or where in the world... Then the piling on starts! :-O For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:33:50 -0800 Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless than it is. For my amusing experiences over on Fedora setting up video, see: http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] funny motor insurance claims
Going to work at 7am this morning I drove out of my drive straight into a bus. The bus was 5 minutes early. I was driving along when I saw two kangaroos copulating in the middle of the road causing me to ejaculate through the sun roof. (from an Australian claim form - The accident happened because I had one eye on the lorry in front, one eye on the pedestrian and the other on the car behind. I started to slow down but the traffic was more stationary than I thought. I pulled into a lay-by with smoke coming from under the hood. I realised the car was on fire so took my dog and smothered it with a blanket. Q: Could either driver have done anything to avoid the accident? A: Travelled by bus? The claimant had collided with a cow. The questions and answers on the claim form were - Q: What warning was given by you? A: Horn. Q: What warning was given by the other party? A: Moo. I started to turn and it was at this point I noticed a camel and an elephant tethered at the verge. This distraction caused me to lose concentration and hit a bollard. On approach to the traffic lights the car in front suddenly broke. I was going at about 70 or 80 mph when my girlfriend on the pillion reached over and grabbed my testicles so I lost control. I didn't think the speed limit applied after midnight I knew the dog was possessive about the car but I would not have asked her to drive it if I had thought there was any risk. Q: Do you engage in motorcycling, hunting or any other pastimes of a hazardous nature? A: I Watch the Lottery Show and listen to Terry Wogan. First car stopped suddenly, second car hit first car and a haggis ran into the rear of second car. Windscreen broken. Cause unknown. Probably Voodoo. The car in front hit the pedestrian but he got up so I hit him again I pulled away from the side of the road, glanced at my mother-in-law and headed over the embankment. The other car collided with mine without giving warning of its intention. I collided with a stationary truck coming the other way A truck backed through my windshield into my wife's face A pedestrian hit me and went under my car In an attempt to kill a fly, I drove into a telephone pole. I had been shopping for plants all day and was on my way home. As I reached an intersection a hedge sprang up obscuring my vision and I did not see the other car. I was on my way to the doctor with rear end trouble when my universal joint gave way causing me to have an accident. An invisible car came out of nowhere, struck my car and vanished. I was thrown from the car as it left the road. I was later found in a ditch by some stray cows. Coming home I drove into the wrong house and collided with a tree I don't have. I thought my window was down, but I found it was up when I put my head through it. The guy was all over the road. I had to swerve a number of times before I hit him. I had been driving for forty years when I fell asleep at the wheel and had an accident. As I approached an intersection a sign suddenly appeared in a place where no stop sign had ever appeared before. To avoid hitting the bumper of the car in front I struck a pedestrian. My car was legally parked as it backed into another vehicle. I told the police that I was not injured, but on removing my hat found that I had a fractured skull. I was sure the old fellow would never make it to the other side of the road when I struck him. The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him. I saw a slow moving, sad faced old gentleman as he bounced off the roof of my car. The indirect cause of the accident was a little guy in a small car with a big mouth. The telephone pole was approaching. I was attempting to swerve out of the way when I struck the front end. The gentleman behind me struck me on the backside. He then went to rest in a bush with just his rear end showing. I had been learning to drive with power steering. I turned the wheel to what I thought was enough and found myself in a different direction going the opposite way. I was backing my car out of the driveway in the usual manner, when it was struck by the other car in the same place it had been struck several times before. When I saw I could not avoid a collision I stepped on the gas and crashed into the other car. The accident happened when the right front door of a car came round the corner without giving a signal. No one was to blame for the accident but it would never have happened if the other driver had been alert. I was unable to stop in time and my car crashed into the other vehicle. The driver and passengers then left immediately for a vacation with injuries. The pedestrian ran for the pavement, but I got him. I saw her look at me twice. She appeared to be making slow progress when we met on impact. The accident occurred when I was attempting to bring my car out of a skid by steering it into the other vehicle. -- Thawte, GSWoT and CaCert WOT Assurer I believe that every human has a
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:33:50 -0800 Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless than it is. For my amusing experiences over on Fedora setting up video, see: http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html Oddly enough, the ease of the suse video driver installation has regressed since the time of 9.3 and before. It used to be that you could simply click on a checkbox in online update that said install nvidia drivers, and you were good to go. period. no tweaking of configs, no building of drivers, no worrying about reinstalling the driver if the kernel gets updated. IIUC it was pressure from a shrill anti binary driver faction among the kernel devs that led novell to revert to the more awkward manual procedure we now find ourselves with. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc on dial-up and why 5800 is open?!
On Sunday 11 February 2007 06:45, pelibali wrote: My mom's stock/boxed SUSE 8.2 is on dial-up. Sometimes I teach her to do tasks via vnc, being located in another country. I'm new to vnc, but the desktop sharing we do from her KDE session is simple and the thing works quite well... The second related question is that on her computer I saw TCP 5800 listening. I didn't see it before she activated the desktop sharing and would be interested, how it could get opened. I didn't activate vnc through xinetd and chkconfig reports it (as supposed) to be deactivated. The only thing is that via KDE's Control Panel we acti- vated the above desktop sharing and immediately moved it to a higher port number. TCP 5800 I just saw accidentally and is anyway firewal- led; the particular port needed by me has been opened under the SuSEfirewall2. Pelibali VNC uses port 5800 for the java based server, i.e. the client runs in a web browser. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:06:14 +0100 jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you first install the default distro, update it and then go on? or select all in yast and go on? During the install, I clicked on a lot of things that weren't automatically selected to be installed, mainly because I wanted to play with as many things as possible. I left out stuff I knew I wouldn't need like a lot of the laptop and portable computing groups of packages, but basically clicked on all the other choices it gave me at install time, so I installed a lot more than the default, but not more than was on the DVD. well... I guessed that. I once tryed to install all (this was an official SuSE option, at that time :-). It went well, but was SuSE pre-selected. openSUSE choose to have a really great subset of all the available opensource products. This is really a lot, and many of these products are completely unable to work with other opensource products. So the only reasonable way (and I learned this the hard way, beleive me :-) is to begin softly... I go as far as installing only the minimal console install (on unknown or new computer), because I had too often graphical video problems. nowaday, installing kde (or gnome, by the way), default install, is the only way to know if all on the computer installs well. Only after that (and after upgrading this), and if you are to use your install for a long time, you can _uninstall_ part of unusefull stuff. To _add_ things, one must be really carefull, install them one after the other... and it's for that that the slowness (very ancient) of yast software install is a pain :-( so when dependency problem come, one can solve them. So, go back to the install, (new install) and do like I said, you will be glad of it. jdd (probably 200 installs or more in ten years :-) -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
Tom Horsley wrote: I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior out of the box using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-). but you didn't use the default install.. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:02:52 -0500, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:34:43 -0800 Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same amount of area being taken up. It isn't a question of the space taken up, its a question of what your eyes are already trained to ignore. Unexpected gibberish is harder to ignore than expected gibberish (like looking at a xorg.conf file for the first time - it takes weeks for you eyes to be able to focus again - I won't even talk about sendmail config files :-). Never thought about it that way. I have (not being facetious) never gave any of this much thought before because I have always concentrated on the words that are there. I could care less on what's on the left margin. That's my whole point. I'm reading the replies to the quoted message, thus the reply doesn't have any quote marks. After three replies, with the previous two still in the message, the message is a mess anyway, regardless of what's on the left margin. At that point I'm snipping anyways. I could very well sit here and moan and groan about bottom posting. I know I'm outnumbered, but that has never stopped me from giving my two cents, especially if you have a five mile long message, and when you FINALLY get to the bottom of the message, you see the infamous I agree! Or some other off the wall comment. That bugs the HECK out of me, but I play along. My contention is, if one is paying attention to that thread in the first place, they have already read what was in the message in the first place. So placement of someones reply is a bit silly if you ask me. So as I said before, top posting, bottom posting, inline replies are fine with me. I'm a big boy, it's not going to take any more effort to scroll either direction if I'm interested in that thread in the first place. :-) For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: funny motor insurance claims
On 2/11/07, Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks, this message should not have gone to the list, was in the list folder in claws and sent a mail to some friends. Apologies Sean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Separate /srv partition for a home file server?
On Sunday 11 February 2007, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On a side note, it's even better if we use LVM, so that when in the future we run out of space, we can expand it into another disk seamlessly. HTH, LVM has some serious risk involved. Let us assume that in any give day you have a 1 in 3,000 chance of a drive failure. Now assume LVM is in use, and the LVM is made up of 3 drives. You now have 3 in 3000 chance of failure, and any single failure may take out your entire file system, since you can never predict where a file or portions of a file will reside. -- _ John Andersen pgpVSnmk9sbiu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On Sunday 11 February 2007, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mathias Homann wrote: and what exactly IS etc on your box? post the output of zypper sl here, otherwise noone can help you. bye, MH You mean you don't have an etc repo in your list. *[:oD just kidding!! zypper sl: linux-etcy:/home/billie0w # zypper sl # | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name | URI ---+-+-+--++- -- --- 1 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070113-133340 | http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/10.2/RPMS/ 2 | Yes | Yes | YaST | 20070128-213330| ftp://ftp.skynet.be/%2f/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/r epo/non-oss/ 3 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070113-132730 | http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.2/ 4 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070128-210619| http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/10.2 5 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070128-211654| http://www2.ati.com/suse 6 | Yes | Yes | YUM | http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.2/ | http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.2/ 7 | Yes | No | YaST | 20070113-052334| cd:///?devices=/dev/hdc 8 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070204-092526| http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-sourc e/suse/ 9 | No | Yes | YaST | 20070113-114820 | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ 10 | Yes | Yes | YUM | SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates| http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.2 11 | No | Yes | YaST | 20070113-115505| http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss/ 12 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070128-211458| ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/misc/suser-crauch/10.2/ 13 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070113-201957| http://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.2/ linux-etcy:/home/billie0w # Half the reason you have time to watch a movie is you have three different packman sources that all have to be cross checked. -- _ John Andersen pgpB5Mw8LOhEw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare
On 02/11/2007 John Andersen wrote: Half the reason you have time to watch a movie is you have three different packman sources that all have to be cross checked. While I was waiting for the new install of 10.2 to set up the Yast update sources I watched an episode and a half of American Hotrod. That's about an hour and a half. Well, actually an hour and forty-five minutes. And that's just the stock sources. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: funny motor insurance claims
On Sunday 11 February 2007, Sean Rima wrote: On 2/11/07, Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks, this message should not have gone to the list, was in the list folder in claws and sent a mail to some friends. Apologies Sean Maybe it should not have come to this, but it had me spitting my coffee and laughing out loud. :-) -- _ John Andersen pgpthCegUJWLK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] How to schedule an application to run and close
Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:47, Dan wrote: Ok, I have used cron on netware before so it should not be hard to use. The only thing is, I cannot get it to run on my box or my server. I get a message like this. cron: can't lock /var/run/cron.pid, otherpid may be 8086: Resource temporarily unavailable Any ideas? Looks like you are trying to start it when it's already running. In SUSE it runs by default. All you have to do is edit your crontab, the changes will get picked up automatically Makes sense. Do you know if there is a gui to manage the cron jobs? Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:07, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:59:58 +, Dylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On Sunday 11 February 2007, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:14 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: BEWComing to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from my ^ Where, exactly, did you get this quoting scheme from? Are you aware that it breaks the quoting scheme making it difficult, not to mention ugly, reading threads? Dylan Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Geez! There's a big difference between silly and just plain ugly and breaking threads. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: funny motor insurance claims
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:24, Sean Rima wrote: On 2/11/07, Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks, this message should not have gone to the list, was in the list folder in claws and sent a mail to some friends. Apologies Sean I enjoyed it.. No problem -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
On 2/11/07, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: I wanted to do with 10.2 was observe its default behavior out of the box using the defaults it sets up - from that standpoint it is definitely a nightmare (even if it is fixable with a big enough hammer :-). I have opensuse 10.2 running on 7 machines in my local network, and have installed it on probably 10 different users machines in the last 2 months. In my local network I have plethora of equipment, 2 IBM thinkpads (a21m and t23), Dell Inspiron 9400 E1705, 4 custom built servers that have a mix of nics, video card (ati and nvidia), soundcards, 1 pvr 500 mce, streamzap usb remote, and so on. And I have not had the kind of problems that OP has talked about having. This one has been rock solid on every install except the Dell Inspiron, I had to use ndiswrapper to get the onboard broadcom 4311 pcie wireless card to work (works well enough) and I had a minor problem getting the intel 945 to drive the monitor at 1440x900 default. Oh, one other minor problem, I originally installed the x86_64 on my AMD 64 and had a problem with firefox and plugins (none available for the 64 bit versions) and I fault the software makers for that. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to schedule an application to run and close
On Sunday 11 February 2007 22:53, Dan wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 17:47, Dan wrote: Ok, I have used cron on netware before so it should not be hard to use. The only thing is, I cannot get it to run on my box or my server. I get a message like this. cron: can't lock /var/run/cron.pid, otherpid may be 8086: Resource temporarily unavailable Any ideas? Looks like you are trying to start it when it's already running. In SUSE it runs by default. All you have to do is edit your crontab, the changes will get picked up automatically Makes sense. Do you know if there is a gui to manage the cron jobs? If you run KDE, you can install the kdeadmin3 package, then you will get under system-service configuration an option called kcron, which will allow you to schedule applications through a GUI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ThinkPad can't hibernate
John Andersen kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika lauantai, 10. helmikuuta 2007 07:59): I'm not sure. I have to do an /usr/sbin/rcalsasound restart after resume from hibernation, or I get no sound. But I haven't found the proper place to do so. There seem to be many places I could hack it in, but I want to do it the correct suse way. YaST - System - /etc/sysconfig editor - Search - suspend -Teemu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
On Sun February 11 2007 17:17, Teemu Nikkilä wrote: usb_storage is giving me troubles under 10.1 so I'd like to prevent the system from loading the module completely since I don't need it. How do I accomplish this? Hi Teemu, I've got a file here (10.2) called 'modules.unsupported' under /lib/modules/2.6.18.2-34-default/ It looks to me like it's just one big module blacklist (last seven lines from mine): blacklist affs blacklist adfs blacklist jfs blacklist efs blacklist bfs blacklist kafs blacklist 9p For the mailing list, since I don't know myself: Is this is the new method for blacklisting troublesome modules? regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 13:23 -0800, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: ... I could very well sit here and moan and groan about bottom posting. I know I'm outnumbered, but that has never stopped me from giving my two cents, especially if you have a five mile long message, and when you FINALLY get to the bottom of the message, you see the infamous I agree! Or some other off the wall comment. The trick is not to simply bottom post, but also trim - again, fidonet style ;-) Or in other words, invest some time writing, so that others have it easy to read :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFz6JEtTMYHG2NR9URAgE3AJ9Oy4LOi/68BxyZJ/NWUtx97/4LbgCfeK3z Bbj2gkPza/Fo4kiB/hhJFME= =oLsM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
Carl Hartung wrote: On Sun February 11 2007 17:17, Teemu Nikkilä wrote: usb_storage is giving me troubles under 10.1 so I'd like to prevent the system from loading the module completely since I don't need it. How do I accomplish this? I've got a file here (10.2) called 'modules.unsupported' under /lib/modules/2.6.18.2-34-default/ It looks to me like it's just one big module blacklist (last seven lines from mine): blacklist affs blacklist adfs For the mailing list, since I don't know myself: Is this is the new method for blacklisting troublesome modules? I believe it is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
On Sunday 11 February 2007 23:17, Teemu Nikkilä wrote: Hi, usb_storage is giving me troubles under 10.1 so I'd like to prevent the system from loading the module completely since I don't need it. How do I accomplish this? Edit /etc/modprobe.conf.local and add the line install usb_storage /bin/true It sounds backwards, but it will prevent use_storage from loading -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: funny motor insurance claims
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 23:03 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote: never mind, it's funny from time to time :D (Strange: Spamassassian said it's 100% spam, but why went it thorugh? ) Whose spamassassin? If it was suse's, then it is set to analyze and not filter if going to the lists. If it was your's, then You have a problem ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFz6NhtTMYHG2NR9URAoLsAJ92pFbnHbuPQQ1S20MdUSsG2KDZsQCfV1RA FSlOIMRePqUSLQzOgVd/Lv4= =zYKk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
On Sun February 11 2007 18:09, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: I believe it is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. Thanks, Joe, I haven't dealt with that issue for so long I'd forgotten where it was. Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
On Sun February 11 2007 18:12, Anders Johansson wrote: Edit /etc/modprobe.conf.local and add the line install usb_storage /bin/true It sounds backwards, but it will prevent use_storage from loading Hi Anders, Is this because doing so 'reserves' the module for user space? Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Force module not to load
On Monday 12 February 2007 00:22, Carl Hartung wrote: On Sun February 11 2007 18:12, Anders Johansson wrote: Edit /etc/modprobe.conf.local and add the line install usb_storage /bin/true It sounds backwards, but it will prevent use_storage from loading Hi Anders, Is this because doing so 'reserves' the module for user space? Hm, not sure what you mean by that. The install directive tells modprobe what to do when loading the module. If you don't have an install, it will simply go ahead and load it. If you have one, it will run those commands *instead* of loading it. You could for example use it to run other commands before the module is loaded, for example install foo cmd1; cmd2; modprobe --ignore-install foo this will run the commands cmd1 and cmd2, and then load the module (the --ignore-install is so there isn't a perpetual loop) In the case above, with /bin/true, it will simply run /bin/true instead of loading the module, and nothing else. /bin/false would sound more logical to a human, but it returns false on exit, so modprobe thinks there was an error, and this would interrupt a boot, and/or give annoying error messages in the log -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How To Enable Linux Kernel Crash Dump (LKCD) in OpenSUSE 10.1
Gregor Mosheh wrote: I'm having a difficult time enabling LKCD (Linux Kerrnel Crash Dump) so I can get a crash dump next time the machine crashes (which it has done twice in the last week for no evident reason). I'm an old hand with Linux, but SuSE is new to me, so I'm probably missing some SuSe-specific detail. This is OpenSuSE 10.1, running the SMP kernel: Linux hosting1 2.6.16.21-0.25-smp #1 SMP Tue Sep 19 07:26:15 UTC 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Part 1: Recompiling the kernel I cd /usr/src/linux and 'make menuconfig' I head into kernel hacking, and set LKCD to M. I then type make. After some time of compiling, it eventually bails: LD .tmp_vmlinux1 arch/x86_64/kernel/built-in.o:(__ksymtab_gpl+0x80): undefined reference to `page_is_ram' make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 This also happens if I set LKCD to Y instead of M. Doesn't make any difference. Any word on how I can enable crash dump support in the kernel? Part 2: I'm a bit confused about versions. On LKCD's website lkcd.sourceforge.net the release of LKCD is 6.2.0 However, SuSE 10.1 x86_64 includes lkcdutils 7.1.0 Also, all of the docs about LKCD mention lkcd_config and other such binaries. However, the lkcdutils RPM only has 2 binaries: configdump and savedump. Am I completely confused here? Is this lkcdutils a completely unrelated package from the official LKCD release? I never could get LKCD to work in 10.1. The kernel compile was not a problem. All attempts to create a crash dump would hang. I never did find a way to get a valid crash dump. In Suse 10.2, the LKCD patch is no longer part of the kernel. It worked fine in 9.3, and I never had a chance to test it in 10.0. According to the maintainer of LKCD, lkcd.sourceforge.net is the official version that he maintains. He had no knowledge of what was happening in the world of Suse. The utilities are another story. You will find that there is a missing configuration file, which really adds to the confusion. Although I like the granularity of LKCD, it seems that it is sliding into history. The only choice now is kexec/kdump. A similar trend seems to be occurring in Fedora. Fedora Core 6 stills has the source modules for netdump, but no longer has the configuration options in the kernel. Again, the direction is towards kexec/kdump, since it is part of the vanilla kernel. I have asked this question before on this list and never received an answer, as to the future of LKCD. Bill Anderson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More 10.2 nightmares
I too have a problem with frequencies on SIS card and 1440x900 monitor. What was your problem? Turns out I needed to put the following command into /etc/init.d/boot.local 915resolution 5c 1440 900 32 However, this is to correct a problem with the intel 945 chipset, I do not know if it would have any effect on an sis card. I found this solution with sever nights of googling. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Apache running perl in userdir, how?
Richard Bos wrote: Therefor I changed to /srv/www/cgi-bin, as I know that perl is allowed to be run from there. And indeed ftree can be run from there. Actually ftree is installed in /srv/www/cgi-bin/cgi/ftree.cgi The ftree.cgi script refers to pictures with ../graphics/file, but these are not found. While the files are there (.e.g): /srv/www/cgi-bin/graphics/hblank.gif Why does ftree.cgi does not see those pictures? Is it because /etc/apache2/conf.d/mod_perl.conf specifies: ScriptAlias /cgi-perl/ /srv/www/cgi-bin/ ? I can't answer your actual question, but ../graphics/file would be in /srv/www/graphics. To be found as a sub of cgi-bin, it should be ./graphics/file. Not sure if it was a typo or the problem. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: funny motor insurance claims
Am Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 schrieb John Andersen: On Sunday 11 February 2007, Sean Rima wrote: On 2/11/07, Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks, this message should not have gone to the list, was in the list folder in claws and sent a mail to some friends. Apologies Sean Maybe it should not have come to this, but it had me spitting my coffee and laughing out loud. and to make the whole thing even more funny: my laptop will get a new keyboard soon, paid by the insurance... bye, MH :-) -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:59:56 -0600, Peter Van Lone [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the following: On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. I agree, linux has a way to go. I also agree that SUSE is getting close. But IMHO the biggest obstacle currently (or the item that would speed progress the most) is to have pre-installation agreements with major hardware vendors. *MOST* windows users don't interact with installation in anyway ... nor should they have to with linux. If the hardware is explicity supported by the OEM then most issues go away. having said that, I still think there are a variety of things (some small, some more to do with process, some major like DVD licensing) that need to be addressed. I wish there was a wiki somewhere that a list of these things could be posted/maintained/argued about and where Novell would pay some attention to it. I would think that the better desktop initiative would want that kind of involvement. Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless than it is. For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? peter Frank Sinatra. (Yes, I know it's a Paul Anka song) :-) In this world of politcally correctness, it's hard to find someone who doesn't kneel! For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels -- Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates windows, from illegal monopolies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless than it is. Frank Sinatra. (Yes, I know it's a Paul Anka song) :-) Well Mr CB i am getting sick and tired of your stupid grousing. Pages and pages wasted by your pro-MS shots and anti-Linux diatribes. Worse still is all the inane replies they incite. Linux is NOT MS, thank heaven, and for most of us it is easy to READ the F_Manuals, then if needed, dig up some HOWTO's and archives or ask intelligent questions of the helpful gurus here. But you just seem to relish the puerile attention you get by messing up installations and then ranting on and on. Guess you know your emails are now blocked here...give me a break... Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates windows, from illegal monopolies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps
On 2/11/07, Brian J Berrigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worse still is all the inane replies they incite. Linux is NOT MS, thank heaven, and for most of us it is easy to READ the F_Manuals, then if needed, dig up some HOWTO's and archives or ask intelligent questions of the helpful gurus here. But you just seem to relish the puerile attention you get by messing up installations and then ranting on and on. Guess you know your emails are now blocked here...give me a break... here is the rub of divergent goals in the linux community. I really have no problem rolling up my sleeves to figure stuff out ... especially when I am doing so to entertain my private desire (and glee in) avoiding M$ payments tripe. However, much of my time working with linux is done with an eye towards helping my customers get off of the M$ bandwagon to the greatest extent possilble. for the most part, they CANNOT do that, when the installation and support issues are as unresolved as they are. I need to be able to help them in a way that will allow them to be comfortable that they can do it without having to hire linux admins with 15 years experience. I need to be able to put together installation procedures and hardware support guidlines and etc ... so that they can do this. It is here that I *personally* get frustrated, because of: 1) my own lack of experience and 2) the lack of polish in many basic procedures/processes. Far too much relies on sweat of the brow work ... (remember, this is all MY OPINION) Despite the above, I do think it is close ... and I would surely love to find a commuity of SUSE users/admins that want to share ideas/complaints/suggestions for how to make SUSE linux much more popular, and much more likely to actually have a chance of taking some M$ marketshare. This list, unfortunately, is not it. There are many many helpful people on this list ... but for the most part it seems to be folks that relish the current outsider quality of linux, and I think generally do not want linux (or, thier distro perhaps) to penetrate deeply into the corporate desktop and/or home markets. That's fine, I get it. But I want it to grow, and I think lots of others do, too ... and for it to grow it needs more polish. You can say that such criticism is M$ baiting or simply an inanity if you want. But, to me ... it is struggling and hoping to one day find linux in the M$ defeating camp. Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates windows, from illegal monopolies. And I do not think that the above expressed desires are at odds with or wholly incompatible with the realities of free choice and OSS in general. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
