Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[JB2]

On 16 March 07 22:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-16-07 22:58]:
> > What? Death changed him from being a capitalist? Into what? I can't 
> > imagine that he'd care about sending so much of America's money (that 
> > of the lower classes, anyway) to wage slaves in China.
> > 
> > It's WIN-WIN!!
> 
> 
> Why don't we leave the politics and slams to the off-topic list where
> it is "on topic"?

  Sorry Patrick, I saw this post *after* I'd already made a reply. Again, my 
apologies.
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[JB2]

On 16 March 07 21:55, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Friday 16 March 2007 19:17, Kai Ponte wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2007 06:55:15 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club.
> > >
> > > How is Sam? Still dead?
> >
> > He's spinning in his grave at the changes...
> 
> What? Death changed him from being a capitalist? Into what? I can't 
> imagine that he'd care about sending so much of America's money (that 
> of the lower classes, anyway) to wage slaves in China.

  So if one can get any of the said scanner/printers/all-in-one's at 
Walmart/Sam's Club, they shouldn't? If said items are bought in any other 
store, will the same money stay at home?
  Your mis-perceived holier-than-thou attitude will get you no respect. Also, 
the stores still do actually sell a lot of American made products (of course 
*you* wouldn't know, since you wouldn't be caught dead in one, right?), and 
many folk try hard to buy only those products.
  My apologies to the list. RR should have sent his original answer to the OT 
list, since it was instantly that...OT, and I should have done the same, but 
since no one else said anything about it...
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[JB2]

On 16 March 07 20:55, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> > ...
> > I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club. 
> 
> How is Sam? Still dead?

  Ummm...so what? How were those questions necessary in any manner whatsoever?
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 11:46:26 am Lívio Cipriano wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Any suggestions for an USB 2.0 scanner for Linux?
>

In my experience, pretty much anything I've plugged into my systems have 
worked. I'm not talking about the high end Kodak i860 or anything of that 
nature, but I've got one system with an Epson all-in-one, another with a 
Fujitsu 4120c, and another with a QMax scanner.

Check what you want then check here:

http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Scanners

Linuxprinting.org - which is now apparently openprinting.org - used to have a 
generic list.


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Re: [opensuse] Scanner-Fax-Printer for Linux

[scsijon]

At 04:18 PM 17/03/2007, John Andersen wrote:


On Friday 16 March 2007, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
> Is there a good Scanner-Fax-Printer which will work under Linux?  I
> would need one with an electronic phone switch which determines whether
> the incoming call is voice or fax
>

I have a Hp Office jet 4310xi (cat 5 connect) that works
with hplip for scanning printing.

I haven't tried the faxing yet.


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or wireless on it yet


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Re: [opensuse] [SLE] Slow transfers from Linux Server

[John Andersen]

On Friday 16 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
> John Andersen wrote:
> > My point was, that without testing a samba or nfs transfer
> > you have no way of judging the load imposed by scp.
>
> I kind of wish there was a flag to tell scp to negotiate the password in
> a secure way, but *not* to encrypt the transfer.  Often, when I'm
> copying files over a local network, I don't want or need the encryption
> overhead.  But scp is so convenient for doing copies compared to the
> trouble of setting up an NFS mount (and then dealing with processes
> hanging in the D state every time the server is down.)

Yup, that and the permissions and uid problems are a headache.

I end up using sftp/scp for a lot of stuff, but once I put samba on
a machine its easier to use smb.cifs, and its plenty fast enough 
over a local net.

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner-Fax-Printer for Linux

[John Andersen]

On Friday 16 March 2007, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
> Is there a good Scanner-Fax-Printer which will work under Linux?  I
> would need one with an electronic phone switch which determines whether
> the incoming call is voice or fax
>

I have a Hp Office jet 4310xi (cat 5 connect) that works
with hplip for scanning printing. 

I haven't tried the faxing yet. 


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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[John Andersen]

On Friday 16 March 2007, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>  looked at SLED as you
> suggested, but it appears to be GNOME based, and I don't want to go down
> that road.  When it actually becomes obsolete, I may look at another distro

I don't blame you regarding the Gnome.  It is so pathetically far behind kde
its not worth investigating.  I'd rather go to Xfce4.



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Re: [opensuse] Retaining the correct timestamp

[Cristian Rodriguez R.]

Basil Chupin escribió:

> One undesirable effect is that the timestamp of the original file is
> 'destroyed' and overwritten by the timestamp when the copying occurs. I
> want to be able to retain the original timestamp.


use the "-p" flag of the "cp" command.

> 
> There is the 'noatime' parameter which can be added to the HD entries in
> fstab but will this solve my problem (if I add this 'noatime' parameter
> on all the computers)?
> 

noatime will make your filesystem NOT to update the **access** time of
your files.



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[opensuse] Retaining the correct timestamp

[Basil Chupin]

I copy files between computers using an USB flashdisc.

One undesirable effect is that the timestamp of the original file is 
'destroyed' and overwritten by the timestamp when the copying occurs. I 
want to be able to retain the original timestamp.


There is the 'noatime' parameter which can be added to the HD entries in 
fstab but will this solve my problem (if I add this 'noatime' parameter 
on all the computers)?


Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 16 March 2007 20:21, Lee Ross wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:55:15 -0900, Randall R Schulz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club.
> >
> > How is Sam? Still dead?
> >
> > RRS
>
> I see you've been there too. Makes for uncrowded shopping.

Eh? Hell is _very_ crowded!

RRS
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 16 March 2007 20:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-16-07 22:58]:
> > What? Death changed him from being a capitalist? Into what? I can't
> > imagine that he'd care about sending so much of America's money
> > (that of the lower classes, anyway) to wage slaves in China.
> >
> > It's WIN-WIN!!
>
> Why don't we leave the politics and slams to the off-topic list where
> it is "on topic"?

Why, indeed?

And slam? What slam? Facts are facts.

RRS
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IE4Linux (WAS: Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often))

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 08:43:46 pm Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 21:25 +, Peter Bradley wrote:
> > Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:
> > > Some sites are still designed for
> > > Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> > > Microsoft ports that to Linux.
> >
> > I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really
> > want to.
>
>   Or to get the ie4linux script and bypass CO altogether.

Yes, it works like a charm

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2007/20070316_ies4linux.jpg


There are a few plugins yet not working but you can do much that you couldn't 
do with Firefox. For example I wrote this site around 2000 for San Bernardino 
when I worked there.

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2007/20070316_ies4linux_sbcounty.jpg

It uses an AutoCAD plugin.



Of course, I'm on to more important things, like using $7,000 worth of 
workstations to hold donuts...

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner-Fax-Printer for Linux

[Teruel de Campo MD]

Brother has one I saw in Office depot. I do not remember the model
number. It has an inkjet printer and all what you want, even a cordless
phone and I believe you can buy more cordless phone to spread around. If
I was going to go with an all in one my preference was for the Brother
duplex laser. All have linux drivers. Just look at the brother linux
support before you decide.

-=terry(Denver)=-

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 21:05 -0500, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
> Is there a good Scanner-Fax-Printer which will work under Linux?  I 
> would need one with an electronic phone switch which determines whether 
> the incoming call is voice or fax
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dennis J. Tuchler
> 7330 Kingsbury Boulevard
> University City, Missouri 63130

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Mike McMullin]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 21:25 +, Peter Bradley wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:
> > Some sites are still designed for
> > Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> > Microsoft ports that to Linux.
> >
> >   
> I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really 
> want to.

  Or to get the ie4linux script and bypass CO altogether.

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[opensuse] K3B I/O Errors

[Lucky Leavell]

OS: SuSE 10.0

I have an intermittent problem with K3B failing with an I/O error shortly 
after starting the burn. The debugging output isn't too interesting:

System
---
K3b Version: 0.12

KDE Version: 3.4.2 Level "b" 
QT Version:  3.3.4
Kernel:  2.6.13-15.15-default
Devices
---
LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S PS01 (/dev/hdc, ) at  [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; 
DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; 
DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Jump; 
DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; 
DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; 
SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite; Layer Jump]

I haven't been able to figure out why it works sometimes and not others.

Any ideas?

Thank you,
Lucky Leavell
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-16-07 22:58]:
> What? Death changed him from being a capitalist? Into what? I can't 
> imagine that he'd care about sending so much of America's money (that 
> of the lower classes, anyway) to wage slaves in China.
> 
> It's WIN-WIN!!


Why don't we leave the politics and slams to the off-topic list where
it is "on topic"?

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Lee Ross]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:55:15 -0900, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:

...
I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club.


How is Sam? Still dead?

RRS


I see you've been there too. Makes for uncrowded shopping.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[David Brodbeck]

Kai Ponte wrote:
> IE is a core part of the operating system and cannot be removed.  It is 
> always 
> running. 
> 
> Don't you remember?   :P

If you *do* remove it, with something like XPlite, you find out just how
many applications depend on its DLLs.

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 16 March 2007 19:17, Kai Ponte wrote:
> On Friday 16 March 2007 06:55:15 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> > > ...
> > > I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club.
> >
> > How is Sam? Still dead?
>
> He's spinning in his grave at the changes...

What? Death changed him from being a capitalist? Into what? I can't 
imagine that he'd care about sending so much of America's money (that 
of the lower classes, anyway) to wage slaves in China.

It's WIN-WIN!!


RRS
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner-Fax-Printer for Linux

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 07:05:05 pm Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
> Is there a good Scanner-Fax-Printer which will work under Linux?  I
> would need one with an electronic phone switch which determines whether
> the incoming call is voice or fax


See  Teruel de Campo's answer. It was very informative.

Oh, you've posted to the deprecated list. 


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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 06:02:16 pm Doug McGarrett wrote:
> I think IE will run under WINE, if I remember the posts to this list
> correctly.  Personally, I don't care if I receive something that only
> runs under IE, even tho I have a Windows machine.  It never has
> IE running.

IE is a core part of the operating system and cannot be removed.  It is always 
running. 

Don't you remember?   :P

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 06:55:15 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> > ...
> > I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club.
>
> How is Sam? Still dead?

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[opensuse] Scanner-Fax-Printer for Linux

[Dennis J. Tuchler]

Is there a good Scanner-Fax-Printer which will work under Linux?  I 
would need one with an electronic phone switch which determines whether 
the incoming call is voice or fax


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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 16 March 2007 18:22, Lee Ross wrote:
> ...
> I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club. 

How is Sam? Still dead?

RRS
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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Lee Ross]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:46:26 -0900, Lívio Cipriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Hi all,

Any suggestions for an USB 2.0 scanner for Linux?




I use an HP PSC 1315 from Sam's Club. Works like a dream on 9.2, 10.0 and  
10.2.  I think it cost $72.00.


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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 19:15 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

> The GPS downloads the Zulu time with every transmission.
> The only delay would be decoding the actual transmission.
> 
> You need some hardware and software that will parse the
> transmission and extract the time and date (if you need it)
> and this probably exists somewhere--even for DOS, I would 
> guess.  The software is trivial, and I could probably write
> it myself, but I'm not volunteering to do so.  (I'm not a
> programmer.)  

I'm told that it is terrible easy. Some gps units (modules) output a plain 
ascii "message" containing time and position trough a serial port: so 
simple that a PIC can decode it. 

Haven't got one to try myself, though.

Elektor magazine wrote a pic design using a gps module used as a radar or 
dangerous spot warning device for motorists not long ago.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 15:11 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:

> > Then you will have to get port pci cards, but if you are using
> > portables, you are out of luck. pcmcia then?
> 
> I would be shocked if no one makes a USB device with some input and
> output terminals for this kind of basic "bit-banging" I/O.  

But not all signals are considered.

> PC Cards
> with RS-232 ports or parallel ports also still exist, although they
> probably aren't cheap.

Dunno about price.


> Basically, where you used to get one or two ports for free on each
> machine that you could use for this kind of basic I/O, in the future
> you're going to have to pay for them.

If I have to pay for a port that I'm going to use for some kind of DAQ, I 
would get a real DAQ card instead: even a cheap one would be much better. 
A D/O, D/I card is far easier to use than a printer parallel port (a 
single cpu instruction, that's all).

And, for cheap I/O, there are usb things doing the job already (not really 
cheap, probably). The problem is when you need speed and/or sync, as Roger 
says.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Doug McGarrett]

On Friday 16 March 2007 15:29, David Brodbeck wrote:
> BandiPat wrote:
> > One thing to remember here.  These sites are not always designed well or
> > correctly.  Either on purpose or just stupidity, they don't always
> > build their sites with everyone in mind, nor do they bother testing
> > beyond one browser.  Sad, but true fact of life.
>
> Very true.  If you can't access a site using Firefox on Windows, Linux
> isn't going to have much of a chance.  Some sites are still designed for
> Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> Microsoft ports that to Linux.

I think IE will run under WINE, if I remember the posts to this list 
correctly.  Personally, I don't care if I receive something that only 
runs under IE, even tho I have a Windows machine.  It never has
IE running.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 23:19 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

> > Then you will have to get port pci cards, but if you are using 
> > portables, you are out of luck. pcmcia then?
> 
> No laptops. They do not survive regular use in road measurement. We
> already use PCI serial port cards. But they are so much more than a nice
> 16550-ish chip. Seems like a bit of overkill.

Well... it is what happens using out of the self hardware.


> > Very true. You have to wait till the clock is synced, but even then, it 
> > will be very slightly nudged now and then. But I suppose you can use the 
> > gps clock directly, instead of system time.
> 
> As a result of our synchronization, we do that: read the system clock
> and, using the offset determined at sync time, convert that to the gps
> time. So we never really require that we get gps data over the serial
> port in a deterministic fashion. Of course, if the PC system clock
> drifts, we are screwed.

I thought you were using the data message from the gps unit to get both 
position and time stamp to use in your calculations, ignoring computer 
system time. At least, that's how I would try to do it.

The system time without ntpd will surely drift, but constantly, no 
variation (hopefully). With ntpd it is supposed to be kept in sync with 
the "real world perfect time", but of course, you have to check if it is 
synced, and it will be slowed or accelerated now and then: thus variable 
drift. 

If the source for ntpd sync is a gps unit, it should be able, after a 
stabilization time, to keep almost perfect sync. Should. You would have to 
do measurements to ensure this is really so, I guess. Or study the source 
code to check what variations you cold be getting. And/or read ntpd 
documentation: I don't suppose they had precision measurements in mind 
when they designed it, but... maybe the did consider it and wrote about 
that somewhere..


The cmos clock drift and adjtime file is a completely different matter. It 
is only considered during boot and halt sequences; the intention is to set 
the system clock as accurately as possible, once: during start up. 
Unfortunately, it can misfire.

I wrote a small description of how suse handles this. It was included in 
the old unofficial suse faq, somewhere in sourceforge, time ago. You might 
find it interesting.


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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Teruel de Campo MD]

Livio,

I have been looking for an scanner for almost a month. My first approach
was to print a list of the scanners supported by sane. Well most of them
are old and discontinue models with very few exceptions. Furthermore
more and more companies are trying to get into the linux business and
are producing proprietary drivers (which is great). Well here few points
that may help you.

1. Epson has always been seen as a linux friendly. Besides they produce
high quality scanners. Some of the newer scanner are supported by sane
and all of them are supported by their proprietary drivers. To be on the
safe side I choose the Epson 4990 Photo. This is a very high quality
scanner only surpass by the V-700. The 4990 is both supported under sane
and also with its own drivers. For me this was the most important
factor. I plug it and its working great under sane. Eventually I will
see how it does with the Epson drivers. The other Epsons like the less
expensive 4490 and the more expensive V-700 are not supported by sane
only by the Epson drivers. BTW xsane and Kooka both scanner application
installed in SuSE 10.2 work great. These are the steps: I plug the
scanner. A windows came saying new hardware if I wanted to configure. I
say yes and it was all done. I love it.

2. You will find all-in-one and only scanners. The all-in-one scanning
is of less quality. Interestingly in the case of HP they are supported
by sane but the only HP newer scanners are not and they do not have
drivers. So if you want HP go with all-in-one or be sure you have
drivers.

3. I found that Epson, HP and Brother seems to be committed to linux.
All have some linux support. I was very impressed by a Brother
all-in-one duplex printer, duplex fax and duplex scanner (ADF) with
wireless and wired network connection (MFC 8860DN and the wireless ??).
I saw some thread saying that it works very well all the features under
linux. In my case I do have xerox duplex color printer so I did not need
it.

4. Here are few important links:

http://www.freecolormanagement.com/sane/index.html

http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_scan.html

http://hp-linux.cern.ch/support/devscanner.php3

http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html

5. The Epson 4990 photo is a little pricy when you compare with other
scanners but the quality and features are great. I am glad I went for
it. 

http://www.kenrockwell.com/epson/4990.htm

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Epson%204990/Page%204.htm

I scanned old photographs and also a bunch of slides to include in my
Impress presentation and everything went perfect. Of course I do not
need a huge resolution for this type of scanning.  

Besides the use as a scanner in my case I am going to eliminate the fax
line and the fax machine. Now with the modem-fax pci and the scanner I
do not need the rest. Xsane application was great to produce and send
the fax. 

In summary I am very happy with it.

HTH

-=terry(Denver)=-

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 18:46 +, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Any suggestions for an USB 2.0 scanner for Linux?
> 
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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Rajko M.]

On Friday 16 March 2007 10:22, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> > This is probably a hardware issue, but I need to see how to investigate:
> > How could I get SUSE to record what the hardware time was when it boots,
> > before making any changes, and then what it is after any changes? Same
> > thing on power down. I guess this is tricky because these things
> > probably happen when there are no disks mounted. Any ideas? I know I
> > could check the BIOS each time. But I am not sure I can get the users to
> > do this reliably.
> >
> > Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> To go back to your original question. The time is set by
> /etc/init.d/boot.clock when called from the various rc directories. I
> believe you could hack that script so it writes the hw time to a disk
> file before it changes anything. You might also need to either hack the
> script some more or rename the appropriate rc files so it isn't called
> until some disk is mounted.

Root partition is mounted when you read /etc/init.d/boot.clock :-)

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Re: [opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[Rajko M.]

On Friday 16 March 2007 18:24, Greg Freemyer wrote:

> I did not read the article, nor price the special USB network cables
> they show.  

I was looking to USB solution for one old laptop, but it was cheaper to by 
PCMCIA adapter for wired Ethernet than said USB cable. 

> I'm pretty sure I've read that Linux can do this but it 
> may only be a Windows trick.

I'm sure Linux can do that, but above reason eliminated need for. 

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[James Knott]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> BandiPat wrote:
>   
>> One thing to remember here.  These sites are not always designed well or 
>> correctly.  Either on purpose or just stupidity, they don't always 
>> build their sites with everyone in mind, nor do they bother testing 
>> beyond one browser.  Sad, but true fact of life.
>> 
>
> Very true.  If you can't access a site using Firefox on Windows, Linux
> isn't going to have much of a chance.  Some sites are still designed for
> Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> Microsoft ports that to Linux.
>
>   
Actually, I found one site a couple of weeks ago, that worked with
Firefox/Linux, but not Firefox/XP.
I don't recall the URL though.

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Re: [opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[Greg Freemyer]

On 3/16/07, Paul Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Friday 16 March 2007 6:59 pm, Sunny wrote:
> On 3/16/07, Paul Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I want to copy the contents of a partition from a disk drive on one
> > machine to a disk drive on another.  Within a single computer I can do
> > this using the dd command, but it isn't clear how to use that command for
> > networked data transfers.  I'm also wondering about doing the transfer
> > using a USB cable, which probably has a far higher data rate and doesn't
> > have problems with network traffic.
> >
> > Since both machines are laptops, the strategy of physically moving one of
> > the drives to the other machine temporarily isn't feasible.
> >
> > The partition in question is a Windows NTFS partition, and I want the
> > target partition to be bootable, as the source partition is.  That
> > probably precludes any strategy based on file-by-file transfers.
> > However, the question is meaningful no matter what the partition type.
> >
> > Any advice on either the hardware or software issues involved?
> >
> > Paul
>
> This is exactly what you need;
> 

That explains how to do it using the Ethernet, but how about using a USB
cable?  Is that (a) possible, and (b) faster?

Paul


It can be done: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/248/1

I did not read the article, nor price the special USB network cables
they show.  I'm pretty sure I've read that Linux can do this but it
may only be a Windows trick.

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Re: [opensuse] Anyone using EncFS?

[David Brodbeck]

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> That works, but it still seems wrong to me.  The mount command is
> encfs and the unmount command is fusermount.  You have to admit that
> is strange.

Yeah, it's a bit confusing.  On my system I wrote a pair of shell
scripts called 'cryptmount' and 'cryptumount' to make the process a
little more automatic and intuitive.

> One other question I have is if I backup the raw (~/.crypt in your
> example) directory and restore it to another machine should I have any
> trouble remounting it and getting to my data?

Nope, it'll work fine.  In fact, I've sometimes burned the raw directory
to a CD-R, and mounted it straight off the mounted CD.  This turns out
to be a pretty handy way to carry around data in a secure manner.  You
do have to be careful about your burning options -- Joliet doesn't like
some of the filenames EncFS comes up with.  Rock Ridge seems to handle
them OK, though.

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Re: [opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[Paul Abrahams]

On Friday 16 March 2007 6:59 pm, Sunny wrote:
> On 3/16/07, Paul Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I want to copy the contents of a partition from a disk drive on one
> > machine to a disk drive on another.  Within a single computer I can do
> > this using the dd command, but it isn't clear how to use that command for
> > networked data transfers.  I'm also wondering about doing the transfer
> > using a USB cable, which probably has a far higher data rate and doesn't
> > have problems with network traffic.
> >
> > Since both machines are laptops, the strategy of physically moving one of
> > the drives to the other machine temporarily isn't feasible.
> >
> > The partition in question is a Windows NTFS partition, and I want the
> > target partition to be bootable, as the source partition is.  That
> > probably precludes any strategy based on file-by-file transfers. 
> > However, the question is meaningful no matter what the partition type.
> >
> > Any advice on either the hardware or software issues involved?
> >
> > Paul
>
> This is exactly what you need;
> 

That explains how to do it using the Ethernet, but how about using a USB 
cable?  Is that (a) possible, and (b) faster?

Paul
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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Doug McGarrett]

On Friday 16 March 2007 08:07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 10:32 +, peter nikolic wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2007, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> > > This is probably a hardware issue, but I need to see how to
> > > investigate:
> > >
> > >
> > > Any ideas or suggestions?
> >
> > Can't you use NTP to set the time on boot   i take it they are all
> > connected to the net   or a network  with one machine connected to the
> > internet  setup a ntp server   use that to check against at boo time ..
>
> Ahh. I forgot to mention one important fact. These computers are in
> vehicles on the road. If they cannot figure it out on their own, it wont
> be figured out.
>
> They do have GPS. However, I have not found an efficient way to share
> the GPS NMEA recored with nntp and our measurement software, which needs
> the records with little (read no) delay.
>
> --
> Roger Oberholtzer
>
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>
> Ramböll Sverige AB
> Kapellgränd 7
> P.O. Box 4205
> SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden
>
> Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20
> Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23

The GPS downloads the Zulu time with every transmission.
The only delay would be decoding the actual transmission.

You need some hardware and software that will parse the
transmission and extract the time and date (if you need it)
and this probably exists somewhere--even for DOS, I would 
guess.  The software is trivial, and I could probably write
it myself, but I'm not volunteering to do so.  (I'm not a
programmer.)  

I should think that an ordinary laptop would do all of this for 
you easily, but you could find a small engineering firm that
does RF stuff and has, like all modern firms, a programmer,
that would create for you whatever you need--a printed record,
or whatever.

--Doug, wa2say




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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[James Knott]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> We are striving for sub-meter accuracy in a vehicle traveling up to 110
> km/h.
Is that even possible?  Even with WAAS, I've never seen anything better
than 2m accuracy.

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Re: [opensuse] Anyone using EncFS?

[Greg Freemyer]

On 3/16/07, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
>
> I want to use EncFS.  It is part of the distro and seems to be working
> on a newly created directory pair.
>
> My issue is I don't know how to re-mount the virtual filesystem.  In
> theory I use fusermount, but what is the syntax?

I think you're thinking about it too hard. ;)  You mount it using
'encfs'.  You only use fusermount to unmount the filesystem.

The syntax is simple.  If the encrypted data is stored in ~/.crypt, and
you want to mount the unencrypted version on ~/cryptmount, you'd do this:

encfs ~/.crypt ~/cryptmount



That works, but it still seems wrong to me.  The mount command is
encfs and the unmount command is fusermount.  You have to admit that
is strange.

Thanks.

One other question I have is if I backup the raw (~/.crypt in your
example) directory and restore it to another machine should I have any
trouble remounting it and getting to my data?

I'm going to try that in the next week or so, but if you know it would
save me some testing.

FYI: My ultimate goal is to rsync out a bunch of data to dreamhost as
a DR offsite backup.  By using EncFS my thought is that everything at
dreamhost will be encrypted.

FYI2: I'm not too concerned with performance because I'm only going to
be writing backup files into the EncFS in the middle of the night.  It
can take a few hours and I won't notice.  I'm going to do about 10GB
worth tonight.  If that works I'll try my big dataset of 65GB.
Assuming that works I'm golden.

Greg
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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Doug McGarrett]

On Friday 16 March 2007 07:31, Adam Williams wrote:>

Summary of snipped part:  If the system is set up by someone who knows
the Unix/Linux environment, the average Joe or Josephine will never miss
Windows.

> > > My goal is to be able to sever the Windows umbilical that so many
> > > people are attached to. I want the stereotypical blonde to be able to
> > > turn on the computer and run it just as easily as she does Windows.
>
> Maybe that is a dumb goal.  It sounds more like a mission than a goal.
>  My experience: if you are focused on Windows, and that is the axis of
> your thoughts about IT/technology/user-experience,  you will never
> succeed or be happy with Linux.  Buy a Vista box, save yourself the
> grief.  I've been in IT, and running Linux, since 1992.  That has
> always proven to be true.
>
> > I cannot do that with the tools I have now.

Well, I partly agree.  See below.
>
> My wife, who is not a dumb blonde but a hot brunette, has been using
> Linux for *years* on her laptop to do entirely ordinary things.  The
> guy who lives in the upstairs apartment uses Linux for entirely
> ordinary things.  Neither are IT people by any stretch of the
> imagination.  They are accustomed to how things look/feel/respond and
> do just fine [without hand holding by me];  and no, neither uses the
> command line. :)  Neither do they post to lists or forums,  which is
> why the failure rate for Linux desktops seems dramatically higher
> (here especially) then it actually is.
>
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> Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com
> Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org/

Altho someone pointed me to LinuxXP a few days ago, there are a bunch
of programs that will not run under WINE, and really require some kind
of Windows.  One of them is AutoCAD-LT, and another is the full-up pro
version, AutoCAD.  I don't think (but don't know) that Pro-E--a sort of
competitor to AutoCAD that does 3-D drawings natively, runs on Linux,
and Agilent-EEsof's RF simulators, AFAIK, do not run on Linux, altho there
was a Unix version of an earlier incarnation of this some 15 or so years ago.
(I Googled their website, and could not tell.)

Most of these are very high-end programs, except A/C-LT, costing thousands of
dollars, but if the goal is to put Linux on every desk possible, it will not
happen in some engineering and architectural firms that need the capabilities 
above.  And these firms, of course, are where the money is, where the 
prestige is, and where a significant reliance on Linux would be instantly 
recognized by the average Joe and Jo. 

When Linux is a real competitor to M/S, I believe that some or all of these
kinds of programs will be available.  

I had written of competition a few days ago, and someone wrote back that
Linux has already sold more O/S's than Mac's OS-X.  But he admitted, that's 
for servers; OS-X is on desktops in video and advt.  labs world-over.  Even
if a niche opportunity occurs, as with Mac, it would certainly help the
Linux community to have some recognition among the average Jos and Joes,
most especially in the commercial world _outside of_ IT.  

What can be done?  Here's the Catch 22.  As long as Linux is confined to the
IT world, Agilent will not bother to port the Agilent programs to Linux, and 
as long as nobody does, Linux stays in the IT world, and for goofballs like 
me who are stubbornly trying to get aboard.  It is obvious to me, having been 
there on the receiving end, that IT departments want all computers in the 
shop to be running the same system, and (ideally) all the same software.
(This is not too likely in an engineering environment, but that would be the 
ideal, and is of course true in secretarial offices.)  That same sytem, in 
almost all places, is Windows. 

Well, I don't have the answer--this is more of a think-piece than a solution,
but I thought I'd put it out there for thought, to those more insightful than
me.

--doug





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Re: [opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[Sunny]

On 3/16/07, Paul Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I want to copy the contents of a partition from a disk drive on one machine to
a disk drive on another.  Within a single computer I can do this using the dd
command, but it isn't clear how to use that command for networked data
transfers.  I'm also wondering about doing the transfer using a USB cable,
which probably has a far higher data rate and doesn't have problems with
network traffic.

Since both machines are laptops, the strategy of physically moving one of the
drives to the other machine temporarily isn't feasible.

The partition in question is a Windows NTFS partition, and I want the target
partition to be bootable, as the source partition is.  That probably
precludes any strategy based on file-by-file transfers.  However, the
question is meaningful no matter what the partition type.

Any advice on either the hardware or software issues involved?

Paul


This is exactly what you need;


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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 12:36:45 pm Richard Bos wrote:
> Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 05:29, schreef Kai Ponte:
> > The OS/2 machine finished all tasks in about two minutes.
> > The Win95 machine finished in half an hour.
>
> I like this comparison, which I did last week because openSUSE felt so much
> faster.  Well see for your self:
> Ranking:
> 1: Knoppix on notebook
> 2: openSUSE on desktop
> 3: openSUSE on slow desktop
> 4: MS XP on notebook
>
> An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

I'm honestly not surprised.

I have always felt SUSE (with either KDE or Gnome or IceWM or...) is faster at 
most tasks than XP.  

I used to argue this point in the usenet forums, but eventually realized I was 
arguing with a brick wall and gave up.


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Re: [opensuse] Anyone using EncFS?

[David Brodbeck]

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
>
> I want to use EncFS.  It is part of the distro and seems to be working
> on a newly created directory pair.
>
> My issue is I don't know how to re-mount the virtual filesystem.  In
> theory I use fusermount, but what is the syntax?

I think you're thinking about it too hard. ;)  You mount it using
'encfs'.  You only use fusermount to unmount the filesystem.

The syntax is simple.  If the encrypted data is stored in ~/.crypt, and
you want to mount the unencrypted version on ~/cryptmount, you'd do this:

encfs ~/.crypt ~/cryptmount

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Kai Ponte]

On Friday 16 March 2007 03:35:44 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 23:18 +0100, Richard Bos wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:11, schreef Adam Tauno Williams:
> > > It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
> > > openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.
> >
> > Do you have a procedure how to install it?  What libraries are needed?
>
> wget
> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
> tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
> cd ies4linux-*
> ./ies4linux
>
>
> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation

ies4linux works like a charm. Faster than the CXOffice version, IMO. 

I only use it for occasional testing, but I like it when I do.

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Re: [opensuse] RAM problems - Was: Linux on Dell preloads

[Peter Bradley]

Ysgrifennodd Randall R Schulz:

On Friday 16 March 2007 15:25, David Brodbeck wrote:
  

Randall R Schulz wrote:


Did you run Memtest86+? If not, start it up before you quit for the
evening (or go to bed) and let it run until the next day.
Naturally, there should be no errors if the RAM is good.
  

I routinely do this to any new machine, or any machine I've added RAM
to.  So far I haven't found any bad RAM in brand new computers, but I
*have* discovered bad RAM sold to me by computer stores.



Those bastards!

Time to emptor their caveats!!
  


Well, in all fairness, they took my machine in with no quibbles and 
replaced the RAM without even suggesting for the tiniest moment that 
they might like to put Windows back on there, which I half expected they 
would do.


I've run Memtest on it for 11 hours and 30 minutes today.  No errors.  
So we're looking good.


And I've had no crashes or other weird events either, so it's looking 
good for a public apology to SuSE 10.0 for ever doubting it, as well.  
But I'm going to give it a few more days yet.


:)


Peter

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[opensuse] Anyone using EncFS?

[Greg Freemyer]

All,

I want to use EncFS.  It is part of the distro and seems to be working
on a newly created directory pair.

My issue is I don't know how to re-mount the virtual filesystem.  In
theory I use fusermount, but what is the syntax?

I've tried the obvious

### first I unmounted it just fine
# fusermount -u /backup/config-rdiff/

### Then I try to see what the args are to mount it back
# man fusermount
No manual entry for fusermount

# fusermount --help
fusermount: [options] mountpoint
Options:
-hprint help
-Vprint version
-o opt[,opt...]   mount options
-uunmount
-qquiet
-zlazy unmount

### Then I try few things
# fusermount  /backup/config-rdiff/
fusermount: old style mounting not supported
# fusermount
fusermount: missing mountpoint argument
# fusermount  /backup/config-enc-raw /backup/config-rdiff/
fusermount: old style mounting not supported
# fusermount  /backup/config-rdiff /backup/config-enc-raw/
fusermount: old style mounting not supported

Not sure what else to try.

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Re: [opensuse] AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Alexey Eremenko]

OK, I have opened a bug report, so it's better to cross-respond here
and there too...

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=255541

mailing-list stuff gets lost after a while (I know there is Archiving,
but it's difficult to dig, if you don't remember exactly what you
want...)

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 23:18 +0100, Richard Bos wrote:
> Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:11, schreef Adam Tauno Williams:
> > It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
> > openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.
> Do you have a procedure how to install it?  What libraries are needed?


wget
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
cd ies4linux-*
./ies4linux


http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation

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Re: [opensuse] RAM problems - Was: Linux on Dell preloads

[David Brodbeck]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
>> I routinely do this to any new machine, or any machine I've added RAM
>> to.  So far I haven't found any bad RAM in brand new computers, but I
>> *have* discovered bad RAM sold to me by computer stores.
>> 
>
> Those bastards!
>
> Time to emptor their caveats!!
>   

Most places I've dealt with have been good about exchanging defective
RAM.  Any place that isn't, doesn't get my business again.

RAM has become a cheap commodity, and like any cheap commodity the
quality varies widely.  It falls to to us users to test the components
we buy to make sure they're acceptable before putting them into use.
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Re: [opensuse] RAM problems - Was: Linux on Dell preloads

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 16 March 2007 15:25, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > Did you run Memtest86+? If not, start it up before you quit for the
> > evening (or go to bed) and let it run until the next day.
> > Naturally, there should be no errors if the RAM is good.
>
> I routinely do this to any new machine, or any machine I've added RAM
> to.  So far I haven't found any bad RAM in brand new computers, but I
> *have* discovered bad RAM sold to me by computer stores.

Those bastards!

Time to emptor their caveats!!
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Re: [opensuse] RAM problems - Was: Linux on Dell preloads

[David Brodbeck]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Did you run Memtest86+? If not, start it up before you quit for the 
> evening (or go to bed) and let it run until the next day. Naturally, 
> there should be no errors if the RAM is good.
>   

I routinely do this to any new machine, or any machine I've added RAM
to.  So far I haven't found any bad RAM in brand new computers, but I
*have* discovered bad RAM sold to me by computer stores.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[David Brodbeck]

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
> openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.
>   

I don't know why, but Wine has always fought me at every turn.  I've
never successfully gotten it to run anything more complicated than Solitare.

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Re: [opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[David Brodbeck]

Paul Abrahams wrote:
> I want to copy the contents of a partition from a disk drive on one machine 
> to 
> a disk drive on another.  Within a single computer I can do this using the dd 
> command, but it isn't clear how to use that command for networked data 
> transfers.

You pipe it through some kind of network data transfer program.  ssh
should work, if you use the "-e none" flag to make it 8-bit clean.

Since "dd" defaults to stdin and stdout, something like this should work:

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This *should* copy hda1 on the current machine to hda1 on
"remotemachine".  I haven't tested it, but I do something very similar
with 'dump' to back up one machine to a dump file on another, and it's
always worked fine.  If you don't want the overhead of ssh, you might
want to investigate 'netcat'.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Richard Bos]

Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 23:11, schreef Adam Tauno Williams:
> It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
> openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.

Do you have a procedure how to install it?  What libraries are needed?

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 22:41 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> 
> The Friday 2007-03-16 at 20:30 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> 
> > > rs232 <--> usb converters, that's the cheap way...
> > 
> > Except that usb converters do not transfer all the modem control lines
> > quickly. At least the ones I have tried.The pps signal is on a modem
> > control line. The modem control lines are very quick - not related to
> > the baud rate. 
> 
> True enough. And it probably rises an interrupt, so you can get almost 
> real time response.
> 
> Then you will have to get port pci cards, but if you are using 
> portables, you are out of luck. pcmcia then?

No laptops. They do not survive regular use in road measurement. We
already use PCI serial port cards. But they are so much more than a nice
16550-ish chip. Seems like a bit of overkill.

> 
> 
> > > About the ntpd, if you are developing, I would think about your software 
> > > feeding data to ntpd, instead of the other way round.
> > > 
> > > Or duplicate the data via a "splitter". Maybe there is a simple way.
> > 
> > Another reason we want to avoid having ntpd running when we do our thing
> > is that we do not want the time to change. And ntpd will always do tiny
> > adjustments.
> 
> Very true. You have to wait till the clock is synced, but even then, it 
> will be very slightly nudged now and then. But I suppose you can use the 
> gps clock directly, instead of system time.

As a result of our synchronization, we do that: read the system clock
and, using the offset determined at sync time, convert that to the gps
time. So we never really require that we get gps data over the serial
port in a deterministic fashion. Of course, if the PC system clock
drifts, we are screwed.

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Re: [opensuse] AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Seth Arnold]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 10:52:27PM +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > I would like to feature-request AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3 !
...
> > I think openSUSE 10.3 needs to have 2 versions of FireFox installed by
> > default; Both AppArmored and normal.

> We tried this for SUSE Linux 10.0 and it was quote difficult ;)
> But with constraints, yes.
> See /etc/apparmor/profiles/extras/*firefox* for some premade sample
> profiles.

Though the idea of providing _two_ firefox programs by default, one
confined and one unconfined, is a pretty good idea.

The problem with our 10.0 confined mozilla was a _really_ wide-open
profile -- it could do nearly anything, but it was supposed to be able
to work out-of-the-box for everyone. And yet it wasn't open enough. :)

But providing two versions, one intentionally locked down to do very
little 'fun' stuff, and one that's more or less wide open, is a really
good idea.

I'll talk with the Mozilla maintainer. (In his copious spare time --
providing security updates for mozilla and firefox is nearly full-time
job.)

Thanks for the reminder. :)


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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> > Some sites are still designed for
> > Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> > Microsoft ports that to Linux.
> I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really 
> want to.

It actually works quite well on just the Wine version that ships with
openSUSE.  IE has worked in Wine for quite awhile.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[David Brodbeck]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Then you will have to get port pci cards, but if you are using
> portables, you are out of luck. pcmcia then?

I would be shocked if no one makes a USB device with some input and
output terminals for this kind of basic "bit-banging" I/O.  PC Cards
with RS-232 ports or parallel ports also still exist, although they
probably aren't cheap.

Basically, where you used to get one or two ports for free on each
machine that you could use for this kind of basic I/O, in the future
you're going to have to pay for them.

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[opensuse] High-speed date transfer using a USB cable?

[Paul Abrahams]

I want to copy the contents of a partition from a disk drive on one machine to 
a disk drive on another.  Within a single computer I can do this using the dd 
command, but it isn't clear how to use that command for networked data 
transfers.  I'm also wondering about doing the transfer using a USB cable, 
which probably has a far higher data rate and doesn't have problems with 
network traffic.

Since both machines are laptops, the strategy of physically moving one of the 
drives to the other machine temporarily isn't feasible.

The partition in question is a Windows NTFS partition, and I want the target 
partition to be bootable, as the source partition is.  That probably 
precludes any strategy based on file-by-file transfers.  However, the 
question is meaningful no matter what the partition type.

Any advice on either the hardware or software issues involved?

Paul
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[opensuse] Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?

[Richard Bos]

The subject basically says it all:
Does anyhave has the NVidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64 working on opensuse-10.2?  If 
yes how did you do it?

I followed some howto's and the last helped me the most, which is this one:
http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA

The build starts, but the compile fails with:
ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module.
ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
   '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions
   on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
   driver download page at www.nvidia.com.


The message above is taken from the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file.

The last compile line there is:
   /nv/os-interface.c:26:
   include2/asm/io.h: In function ‘check_signature’:
   include2/asm/io.h:245: warning: wrong type argument to increment
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c: 
In
   function ‘os_set_mlock_capability’:
   /tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-interface.c:126
   2: error: ‘struct task_struct’ has no member named ‘rlim’
   make[4]: *** 
[/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src/nv/os-i
   nterface.o] Fout 1
   make[3]: *** 
[_module_/tmp/selfgz8535/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg0/usr/src
   /nv] Fout 2
   make[2]: *** [modules] Fout 2
   NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
   nvidia.ko failed to build!
   make[1]: *** [module] Fout 1
   make: *** [module] Fout 2
-> Error.


The files /tmp/self* are removed after the build.  Does anyone know what is 
wrong?

Do I really need this driver to be able to use the Riva tnt video card on 
opensuse-10.2/

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Re: [opensuse] AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Michael Nelson]

I'd much rather they devote those resources to getting the package
management / update stuff right on this, the third try.


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Re: [opensuse] AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Marcus Meissner]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 11:40:37PM +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> hi all !
> 
> I would like to feature-request AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3 !
> 
> The point is: Microsoft did Protected-mode Internet Explorer 7 in
> Windows Vista, and so, our community must respond with something.
> 
> The best response I see is an AppArmored profile for FireFox.
> I think openSUSE 10.3 needs to have 2 versions of FireFox installed by
> default; Both AppArmored and normal.
> 
> The Armored version will *not* allow to save anything anywhere. It
> will allow to save only in one directory: ~/downloads so all hackers
> alike will not be able to do much...
> 
> I understand it will cause problems such as: plugins (Adobe Reader)
> might stop working, you won't be able to install themes and
> extensions, etc...
> This is why we must have both normal version and a secured one !
> 
> What do you think of this idea?

We tried this for SUSE Linux 10.0 and it was quote difficult ;)

But with constraints, yes.

See /etc/apparmor/profiles/extras/*firefox* for some premade sample
profiles.

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[opensuse] Re: AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Alexey Eremenko]

P.S. The armored version must have a separate icon too... what about a knight ?
Or FireFox icon with small shield on it?
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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Richard Bos]

Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 22:25, schreef Peter Bradley:
> Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:
> > Some sites are still designed for
> > Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
> > Microsoft ports that to Linux.
>
> I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really
> want to.

Or use:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 20:30 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

> > rs232 <--> usb converters, that's the cheap way...
> 
> Except that usb converters do not transfer all the modem control lines
> quickly. At least the ones I have tried.The pps signal is on a modem
> control line. The modem control lines are very quick - not related to
> the baud rate. 

True enough. And it probably rises an interrupt, so you can get almost 
real time response.

Then you will have to get port pci cards, but if you are using 
portables, you are out of luck. pcmcia then?


> > About the ntpd, if you are developing, I would think about your software 
> > feeding data to ntpd, instead of the other way round.
> > 
> > Or duplicate the data via a "splitter". Maybe there is a simple way.
> 
> Another reason we want to avoid having ntpd running when we do our thing
> is that we do not want the time to change. And ntpd will always do tiny
> adjustments.

Very true. You have to wait till the clock is synced, but even then, it 
will be very slightly nudged now and then. But I suppose you can use the 
gps clock directly, instead of system time.

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   Carlos E. R.

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[Doug McGarrett]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 19:12, M Harris wrote:
> On Thursday 15 March 2007 18:53, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > One of the other things that bothers me is the continual changes to or
> > elimination of things that work, in favor of cutting-edge stuff
> > that doesn't actually work.
>
>   Are you running SLED or Opensuse?

I'm running 9.3 Professional, and as you say, it's nice, stable, and KDE. And 
about to become obsolete, in just about 4 months.  I looked at SLED as you 
suggested, but it appears to be GNOME based, and I don't want to go down 
that road.  When it actually becomes obsolete, I may look at another distro.
--doug
>
>   ... makes a difference ... sounds like you would benefit from running
> SLED--- definitely.  Opensuse is for those of us who don't really need the
> max support and are willing to play with the system a bit in order to have
> some of the bleeding edge revisions.  There is another alternative... and
> that is somewhere in the middle... use an opensuse version (based on
> history) that is for the most part as stable as you need it to be and
> wait... eventually there will be another "better" opensuse, or ubuntu, or
> you'll opt for the next stable release of SLED. Frankly Suse 9.3
> Professional has been the best out-of-box distro so far from Novell. 
> Actually, I have had really only minor annoyances from Suse 10.0.   Yeah,
> my kmail speaks Chinese too sometimes... but the distro for the most part
> has been mostly fantastic...
>
>   SLED isn't bleeding edge and is mostly as stable as the Rock of
> Gibralter... it doesn't bleed and it won't have the latest revisions... but
> it will work for ya.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> M Harris <><
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[opensuse] AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3

[Alexey Eremenko]

hi all !

I would like to feature-request AppArmored FireFox for openSUSE 10.3 !

The point is: Microsoft did Protected-mode Internet Explorer 7 in
Windows Vista, and so, our community must respond with something.

The best response I see is an AppArmored profile for FireFox.
I think openSUSE 10.3 needs to have 2 versions of FireFox installed by
default; Both AppArmored and normal.

The Armored version will *not* allow to save anything anywhere. It
will allow to save only in one directory: ~/downloads so all hackers
alike will not be able to do much...

I understand it will cause problems such as: plugins (Adobe Reader)
might stop working, you won't be able to install themes and
extensions, etc...
This is why we must have both normal version and a secured one !

What do you think of this idea?


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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 20:32 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

> > This file serves to compensate the hardware (cmos) clock for drift. If the 
> > drift is very wrong, your clock will be set very wrong on next boot.
> 
> Do you know how drift is computed?

I can guess, but no, I don't know. Look at "man hwclock" and friends.

Basically, it calculates how much the cmos clock deviates from the "real" 
time as kept by the system since last time, and calculates a factor to 
compensate the cmos clock drift, to be applied on next boot (actually, 
next time you copy the time from cmos to system),

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Re: [opensuse] SATA RAID recommendations?

[Michael Folsom]

I've got about 6 large sata raids (16 drives in each) and many smaller
guys - all with 3ware cards in them - frankly with no problems at all.

The 3ware cards are more expensive but if you really want a raid that
works day in and day out they are the way to go -


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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Peter Bradley]

Ysgrifennodd David Brodbeck:

Some sites are still designed for
Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
Microsoft ports that to Linux.

  
I understand you can get it to work in CrossOver Office.  If you really 
want to.



Peter

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[opensuse] kotd on opensuse 10.1

[Roger Oberholtzer]

I would like to install a newer kernel than the one that came with 10.1
so I can take advantage of sata hot swapping that works better than in
the kernel that comes with that release. I have added a 2.6.17 kernel on
my own and it works fine. But there are little things that are different
from the SUSE-supplied one.

I know that there are kernel-of-the-day for these. But these are
whatever they happen to be. Is there any place where people keep track
of which ones were good ones? Given that there is one a day, I guess
this is a bit of a moving target. But I have to ask.

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[John Pierce]

The best server operations team is a Man and a German Shepard Dog.
The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to make sure
the man never touches the machine.


I certainly agree, I have a myth backend running on opensuse 10.2.
The only updates I allow are to mythtv, that is to gain additional
functionality.  Every time I have tried to update the underlying
system I have ran into troubles.  I installed it, configured it, and
now just let it be.

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Re: [opensuse] [SLE] Slow transfers from Linux Server

[John Pierce]

 But scp is so convenient for doing copies compared to the

trouble of setting up an NFS mount (and then dealing with processes
hanging in the D state every time the server is down.)
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I use rsync and ssh to backup our home directories and the initial
transfer of my folder was about 2.0+ GB and (I am not completely sure
of the time) less than 5 minutes to transfer.

I will time the next complete transfer.

note: That transfer was from two different laptops to the lan by way
of wireless connection.

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Re: [opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[John Pierce]

Any suggestions for an USB 2.0 scanner for Linux?


I do not know about single function flatbeds, but we have an Epson
CX6600 PSC that is greatly supported.  Opensuse 10.2 with the
iscan-free packages configures it out of the box.

You will still need to setup the saned portion if you want network
scanning.  Works great though.

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[opensuse] move a Reiser partition, adjustments of GRUB bootloader

[Birgit Kellner]

Hi,

I have a laptop with openSuSE 10.2 and Windows XP as dual-boot with GRUB 
as bootloader. SuSE currently has one Reiser partition plus a swap 
partition, and there are two Windows partitions, one hidden and one, 
well, not.


It turns out that I need more space for XP, so I first shrank the Reiser 
partition to make space available, but foolishly overlooked that the 
space would become available in a section where I currently can't make 
use of it.


This is the current partition table:

Platte /dev/hda: 40.0 GByte, 40007761920 Byte
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
Einheiten = Zylinder von 16065 × 512 = 8225280 Bytes

   Gerät  boot. AnfangEnde Blöcke   Id  System
/dev/hda1   1 230 1847443+  1b  Verst. W95 FAT32
/dev/hda2 231174112137107+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hda3   *1743370115735667+  83  Linux
/dev/hda447514864  915705   82  Linux Swap / Solaris

So there's about 8 GB free space between hda3 and hda4. I'd like to 
format about 1,5 of that with a native Linux format and make it the home 
of /home. The remaining 6,5 should be merged with the larger FAT32 
partition (currently hda2). All of this should be, so to speak, 
minimally invasive, as I don't have the time to reinstall either Windows 
or Linux.


I don't quite know how to go about doing this. Two things bug me. First, 
I can't create another primary partition because there already are four 
on the disk, and it's not possible to create a logical partition because 
it would need an extended partition, which cannot be created because the 
limit of four extended/primary partitions has been reached.


Second, what changes do I have to make for GRUB to still find the 
bootable partitions afterwards? And where would I make them?


Finally, how, considering the above conditions, do I go about actually 
*moving* the Reiser partition up so that the free space becomes adjacent 
to the FAT32 partition, which seems the most economical way to go about 
things?


Thanks a lot in advance,

best regards,

Birgit Kellner

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Re: [opensuse] Grub Boot Loader Question

[russbucket]

On Friday March 16 2007 11:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thanks to Carlos and Darryl. The space must be a slip odf my finger, its not 
in the old version. I'll remove it and see what happens.
> The Friday 2007-03-16 at 10:53 -0700, russbucket wrote:
> > Just installed the new kernel update. Grub was effected slightly. Had to
> > add failsafe.
>
> The old file was saved by the update, you can recover it complete.
>
> > Is the following correct? I copied the old menu.lst entry and
> > change the Kernel version. (line wrap caused by kmail).
>
> Instead of changing kernel version, use the "vmlinuz" and "initrd"
> symlinks. If you do, you don't have to touch your menu.lst ever again.
>
> > When I boot with it it still goes to the kde desktop. I thought it was
> > supposed to go to a console? Am I wrong?
>
> Why would it do that? Ah, the "3". I can't verify with the wrapping, but
> isn't there an extra space?
>
> --
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>Carlos E. R.

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Re: [opensuse] SuSe 10.2/64 4Gb memory problem

[Alexey Eremenko]

try kernel-bigsmp
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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[Richard Bos]

Op vrijdag 16 maart 2007 05:29, schreef Kai Ponte:
> The OS/2 machine finished all tasks in about two minutes.
> The Win95 machine finished in half an hour.

I like this comparison, which I did last week because openSUSE felt so much 
faster.  Well see for your self:

1. System comparison

Creating 350 files (1 file is create doc, and zip it)


1.1. System 1
2 GHz, 1 GB
LiveCD regular desktop no 3D: 14"
LiveCD desktop with 3D and running on batteries: 15"


1.2. System 2
3 GHz, 2 cpu, 512 MB
2 user sessions running: 30"
2 user sessions running, 1 with a compile going on: 45" - 60"


1.3. System 3
2 GHz, 1 GB
1 GUI nothing else: 4'15"
1 GUI (accessed via ssh) nothing else: 5'30"


1.4. System 4
450 HMz, 382 MB
Without number crunching: 3'30"
Number crunching job going only: 6'40"




System 1: notebook running knoppix
System 2: desktop PC running openSUSE
System 3: notebook running MS XP
System 4: desktop PC running openSUSE

System 1 and 3 are the same system


Ranking:
1: Knoppix on notebook
2: openSUSE on desktop
3: openSUSE on slow desktop
4: MS XP on notebook

An 1 GHz MS XP is slower than a 450 MHz openSUSE system

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Re: [opensuse] [SLE] Slow transfers from Linux Server

[David Brodbeck]

John Andersen wrote:
> My point was, that without testing a samba or nfs transfer
> you have no way of judging the load imposed by scp.
>   

I kind of wish there was a flag to tell scp to negotiate the password in
a secure way, but *not* to encrypt the transfer.  Often, when I'm
copying files over a local network, I don't want or need the encryption
overhead.  But scp is so convenient for doing copies compared to the
trouble of setting up an NFS mount (and then dealing with processes
hanging in the D state every time the server is down.)
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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[David Brodbeck]

BandiPat wrote:
> One thing to remember here.  These sites are not always designed well or 
> correctly.  Either on purpose or just stupidity, they don't always 
> build their sites with everyone in mind, nor do they bother testing 
> beyond one browser.  Sad, but true fact of life.

Very true.  If you can't access a site using Firefox on Windows, Linux
isn't going to have much of a chance.  Some sites are still designed for
Internet Explorer only, and it will be a cold day in hell before
Microsoft ports that to Linux.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 20:06 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> The Friday 2007-03-16 at 13:18 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> 
> > > Actually:
> > > 
> > >  - set up the clock.
> > 
> > To local or UTC time?
> 
> To whatever time your clock uses. For instance, if I do (as root):
> 
>nimrodel:~ # date
>Fri Mar 16 20:00:02 CET 2007
> 
> 
> then I would use "CET" time. However, the "date" syntax allows me to use 
> any timezone I want.
> 
> > 
> > >  - check and reset time zone with yast.
> > >  - ensure clock is correct running "date" as root.
> > >  - delete /etc/adjtime
> > 
> > When is this file created? Who makes it? 
> 
> By the script "/etc/init.d/boot.clock" on boot and shutdown. It is read on 
> boot, and updated un shutdown. Deleting it forces a reset. 
> 
> This file serves to compensate the hardware (cmos) clock for drift. If the 
> drift is very wrong, your clock will be set very wrong on next boot.

Do you know how drift is computed?

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 20:14 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> The Friday 2007-03-16 at 16:59 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> 
> > photocells to precisely locate control measurements. As serial and
> > parallel ports go away in modern computers, I wonder how this
> > functionality will be maintained. Expensive I/O cards will now be
> > required.
> 
> rs232 <--> usb converters, that's the cheap way...

Except that usb converters do not transfer all the modem control lines
quickly. At least the ones I have tried.The pps signal is on a modem
control line. The modem control lines are very quick - not related to
the baud rate. 

> > The question is still, why does a reboot cause a messed up time.
> 
> That part is the adjtime file. The rest, I don't know. However, if you 
> touch the clock in anyway, this file is affected: it will be incorrect, so 
> it's better to force a reset deleting it.
> 
> 
> About the ntpd, if you are developing, I would think about your software 
> feeding data to ntpd, instead of the other way round.
> 
> Or duplicate the data via a "splitter". Maybe there is a simple way.

Another reason we want to avoid having ntpd running when we do our thing
is that we do not want the time to change. And ntpd will always do tiny
adjustments.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 16:59 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

> photocells to precisely locate control measurements. As serial and
> parallel ports go away in modern computers, I wonder how this
> functionality will be maintained. Expensive I/O cards will now be
> required.

rs232 <--> usb converters, that's the cheap way...


> The question is still, why does a reboot cause a messed up time.

That part is the adjtime file. The rest, I don't know. However, if you 
touch the clock in anyway, this file is affected: it will be incorrect, so 
it's better to force a reset deleting it.


About the ntpd, if you are developing, I would think about your software 
feeding data to ntpd, instead of the other way round.

Or duplicate the data via a "splitter". Maybe there is a simple way.

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 13:18 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

> > Actually:
> > 
> >  - set up the clock.
> 
> To local or UTC time?

To whatever time your clock uses. For instance, if I do (as root):

   nimrodel:~ # date
   Fri Mar 16 20:00:02 CET 2007


then I would use "CET" time. However, the "date" syntax allows me to use 
any timezone I want.

> 
> >  - check and reset time zone with yast.
> >  - ensure clock is correct running "date" as root.
> >  - delete /etc/adjtime
> 
> When is this file created? Who makes it? 

By the script "/etc/init.d/boot.clock" on boot and shutdown. It is read on 
boot, and updated un shutdown. Deleting it forces a reset. 

This file serves to compensate the hardware (cmos) clock for drift. If the 
drift is very wrong, your clock will be set very wrong on next boot.

> Does this file tell how much to
> adjust the clock when shutting down a UTC hardware clock system?

Yes. UTC or local, doesn't matter: it knows.

The command "apropos adjtime" will tell you that there are some man pages 
on this. However, better look up "man hwclock", which is the actual 
program creating and using that file.


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Re: [opensuse] Grub Boot Loader Question

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The Friday 2007-03-16 at 10:53 -0700, russbucket wrote:

> Just installed the new kernel update. Grub was effected slightly. Had to add 
> failsafe. 

The old file was saved by the update, you can recover it complete.

> Is the following correct? I copied the old menu.lst entry and 
> change the Kernel version. (line wrap caused by kmail).

Instead of changing kernel version, use the "vmlinuz" and "initrd" 
symlinks. If you do, you don't have to touch your menu.lst ever again.


> When I boot with it it still goes to the kde desktop. I thought it was 
> supposed to go to a console? Am I wrong?

Why would it do that? Ah, the "3". I can't verify with the wrapping, but 
isn't there an extra space?

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[opensuse] Scanner for Linux

[Lívio Cipriano]

Hi all,

Any suggestions for an USB 2.0 scanner for Linux?

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Re: [opensuse] Grub Boot Loader Question

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-03-16 11:53, russbucket wrote:
>
> ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe###
> title Failsafe -- opensuse 10.2
> root (hd1,4)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default root=/dev/hdb5 vga=normal 
>   showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi =off apic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3
>   
Is the space after "acpi" actually in the original? It should not be
there. Also, for a failsafe setting, you might wish to consider "noapic"
instead of "apic", if that is possible. You may also wish to consider
adding "noresume" and "vga=normal" to the options. Otherwise, it looks
good. No idea why it won't boot into runlevel 3, but for failsafe
settings, you should probably be going into level 1 anyway (yes, I am
aware that the default in SuSE is to set it to level 3 here).
> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-default
>
> When I boot with it it still goes to the kde desktop. I thought it was 
> supposed to go to a console? Am I wrong?
>
> Also the normal boot has added the elevator= what is it for? Old version did 
> not have it.
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default root=/dev/hdb5 vga=0x31a 
> resume=/dev/hdb1 splash=silent showopts apm=power-off elevator=
>   
See usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt for possible
settings and /usr/src/linux/Documentation/block/as-iosched.txt for an
explanation. Looks here like an option setting was only partially done.



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Re: [opensuse] install early version without messing grub

[Bruce Marshall]

On Friday 16 March 2007 04:09, kanenas wrote:
> What's the easiest way to install an earlier suse version on a spare
> partition and still keep the latest grub that comes with 10.2 (along with
> an intact 10.2 partition)?

The answer is to NOT allow the install of the earlier suse write its boot 
loader to the MBR (master boot record)   This assumes you have your current 
grub written in the MBR.

Have tne new install write its loader to the partition you are installing it 
on (/boot   or   /   depending on how you partition the older release)  and 
after the install,  add a new entry to your  10.2   /boot/grub/menu.lst  to 
boot the older release from its  /boot/  and initrd.

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[opensuse] Grub Boot Loader Question

[russbucket]

Just installed the new kernel update. Grub was effected slightly. Had to add 
failsafe. Is the following correct? I copied the old menu.lst entry and 
change the Kernel version. (line wrap caused by kmail).

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe###
title Failsafe -- opensuse 10.2
root (hd1,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default root=/dev/hdb5 vga=normal 
showopts
 ide=nodma apm=off
acpi =off apic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3
initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-default

When I boot with it it still goes to the kde desktop. I thought it was 
supposed to go to a console? Am I wrong?

Also the normal boot has added the elevator= what is it for? Old version did 
not have it.
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default root=/dev/hdb5 vga=0x31a 
resume=/dev/hdb1 splash=silent showopts apm=power-off elevator=

Any comments or corrections would be appreciated.
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Re: [opensuse] Re: setting up a raid (Suse 10.0)

[John Andersen]

On Friday 16 March 2007, Joachim Schrod wrote:
> SUSE normally starts mdadm and notifies you about disk breakage. For
> extended supervision Nagios is even better.

That has not been my experience.  
I've always had to take steps to make sure mdadm is started in
monitor mode at each boot.

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[Chuck Amadi]

John Andersen wrote:

On Friday 16 March 2007, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
  

But then you're not really talking about old/unsupported versions anymore.
Instead you're talking about something that started as - say - 8.1 but by
now has hardly any resemblance to that version anymore. Simply because you
kept updating all sensitive components for yourself (requiring more time
and expertise than most users will have).



Well, I don't see it that way.

The vast overwhelming majority of the entire system can remain as
it was on the day of the last update.  You might have to update
one or two packages over time span of several years.  One or two.

For a a linux box used as router, or a samba server, you would be highly 
unlikely to ever have to update anything for the life of the hardware.


Last year, I replaced a server for a company.  It was running Suse 7.3
as a samba server and was acting as a router for their local network.
This was pretty much a single mission box, with raid drives
and lived on a huge UPS its entire life.

The only problem that machine ever had was when they finally 
filled up the hard drive and upgraded to get more space.


Would I do this with a desktop machine? No.
I would update the system.  But more to obtain new functionality
than out of fear of any compromise just because it was out of 
maintenance.




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The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to make sure
the man never touches the machine.

  

Hi John

Excellent I totally agree!.

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Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often

[John Andersen]

On Friday 16 March 2007, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
> But then you're not really talking about old/unsupported versions anymore.
> Instead you're talking about something that started as - say - 8.1 but by
> now has hardly any resemblance to that version anymore. Simply because you
> kept updating all sensitive components for yourself (requiring more time
> and expertise than most users will have).

Well, I don't see it that way.

The vast overwhelming majority of the entire system can remain as
it was on the day of the last update.  You might have to update
one or two packages over time span of several years.  One or two.

For a a linux box used as router, or a samba server, you would be highly 
unlikely to ever have to update anything for the life of the hardware.

Last year, I replaced a server for a company.  It was running Suse 7.3
as a samba server and was acting as a router for their local network.
This was pretty much a single mission box, with raid drives
and lived on a huge UPS its entire life.

The only problem that machine ever had was when they finally 
filled up the hard drive and upgraded to get more space.

Would I do this with a desktop machine? No.
I would update the system.  But more to obtain new functionality
than out of fear of any compromise just because it was out of 
maintenance.



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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Roger Oberholtzer]

On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 15:40 +, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> > The values are over a serial port. These are high-end Trimble receivers.
> > The reason for the serial port is that there is a pulse-per-second
> > signal that tells when certain calculations in the receiver were done.
> > We are striving for sub-meter accuracy in a vehicle traveling up to 110
> > km/h. Any transmission delay from when something is calculated to when
> > it is received is a source of error. The pps signal helps eliminate
> > this.
> 
> gpsd appears to know about PPS signals.

Which is good. But it does not propagate them. We sync with other
external systems when we get the pps signal. So, we really want it! On
Linux, there is an ioctl() that returns when the serial port line
changes. It is rather quick. We checked this by manipulating the line
from the same computer's parallel port. The time from when we toggled
the line to when our ioctl() returned were usually on the order of 20
microseconds, according to gettimeofday(). We also use this with
photocells to precisely locate control measurements. As serial and
parallel ports go away in modern computers, I wonder how this
functionality will be maintained. Expensive I/O cards will now be
required.

> > I would be very happy if there was an ethernet or usb receiver
> > that still had all these features. Unfortunately, they typically are
> > geared for less demanding location requirements and so do not provide
> > these extra signals. We keep looking and hoping. There are some
> > PCI-based models that look interesting.
> > 
> >> The gpsd man page has a section on 'use with ntp', for example.
> > 
> > I would be happy if the ntp daemon could be told when to use the
> > receiver, and when not to use it. But I do not think this is the way it
> > is. The GPS will give bad/old/misc times when there are no receivers.
> > Like in a garage. Which is where the measurement systems often are
> > started.
> 
> So the GPS is connected to your software and that is deciding whether
> the signals are good? So why not set the system time from your software,
> either by starting and stopping ntpd appropriately or by directly
> setting the time?

We do not run as root.  And, we do not want the time to change when we
are up and running. Only when we start. I am sure something could be
cobbled together. We are not requiring that the PC time be in sync with
the GPS. Our software figures out what the differences are and happily
sorts that out.

The main annoyance is that data file access and all does not have the
proper time. Files that were created in the future are problematic for
some software. Not to mention poor data control droids. Also, if you
reboot in a garage without gps availability, you have the odd times.

The question is still, why does a reboot cause a messed up time.

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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE, IBM ServeRAID, I/O Errors

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> > I have an IBM xSeries with an IBM ServeRAID controller running
> > openSUSE 10.1.  Previously, for years, this server ran SuSE 9.2 and
> > was absolutely ROCK solid.  
> a lot changed, also the driver, as you can (now) see it is now capable
> to fetch this special case

"it is now capable to fetch this special case"

I have no idea what this statement means.  What "special case".  The
changelog of the driver doesn't indicate much has changed,  looking at
the ips.c & ips.h files in the kernel source of my 10.2 box.

> > errors,  but no drive ever goes offline.  It really seems to be a
> > problem with the logical drive.
> > ipssend says:
> >  Controller type: ServeRAID-3L
> >   Actual BIOS version: 7.12.02
> >   Firmware version   : 6.10.24
> >   Boot block version : 3.00.21
> >   Device driver version  : 7.12.05
> > And there are four active drives, and one hot spare.  Each report as
> > active with no PFA.  The status of the logical drive is "Okay"
> > But dmesg is full of:
> > sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7
> > end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748
> > sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7
> > end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748
> I guess you still googled for the SCSI error code and what it stands for?

Of course;  but there isn't much out there or the signal:noise ratio on
such searches is just way to high.  I've found people asking similar
questions but most the answers are clearly nonsense (people who don't
know what a logical drive is,  asking him to try different kinds of
cables [these aren't ATA drives!], etc...)

Someone thought it was the smartd monitoring program haunting the
logical drive somehow,  but I don't have smartd installed.

> > sda is the logical drive
> > # uname -a
> > Linux cfsgroup 2.6.16.27-0.9-smp #1 SMP Tue Feb 13 09:35:18 UTC 2007
> > i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> > Anyone have *ANY* suggestions?
> If it's possible try 10.2 or 10.3 Alpha, just for working on the latest
> and greatest Kernel-tree.

I'll see if that is feasible.

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Re: [opensuse] What I Want (was Why I don't upgrade often)

[Sunny]

On 3/16/07, Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Then maybe you can call, skype or IM me and tell me what I am doing wrong,
because Suse 10.2 is the only system that it doesn't work on here, and I
have done (3) 10.2 installs so far.

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Fred,
this is not polite at all. If you have problems, there is a chance
someone else has (or will have) such a problems too. If you clearly
say what you have done, and what you are trying to do, someone will
respond and help you out. And other users will be able to search and
find this, and solve their problem as well. Keeping it private helps
only you, and this is not how it is supposed to be.

Please read this before you post your question(s):


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Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just
a pile of scrap.
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Re: [opensuse] Off Topic List ?

[Randall R Schulz]

On Thursday 15 March 2007 23:25, Charles philip Chan wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Huh. Is there a way to decode rot13 in KMail?
>
> Can't find an option in kmail, but my lowly Gnus can. ;-)

As could Mozilla. I don't know if that's still in Firefox, but I'm kind 
of guessing not.


> ,[ Translation of Message ]
>
> | The email list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> `

Yeah. It doesn't take a cryptanalyst to work that out. Especially if you 
knew the cleartext in advance.


> Charles


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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Dave Howorth]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> The values are over a serial port. These are high-end Trimble receivers.
> The reason for the serial port is that there is a pulse-per-second
> signal that tells when certain calculations in the receiver were done.
> We are striving for sub-meter accuracy in a vehicle traveling up to 110
> km/h. Any transmission delay from when something is calculated to when
> it is received is a source of error. The pps signal helps eliminate
> this.

gpsd appears to know about PPS signals.

> I would be very happy if there was an ethernet or usb receiver
> that still had all these features. Unfortunately, they typically are
> geared for less demanding location requirements and so do not provide
> these extra signals. We keep looking and hoping. There are some
> PCI-based models that look interesting.
> 
>> The gpsd man page has a section on 'use with ntp', for example.
> 
> I would be happy if the ntp daemon could be told when to use the
> receiver, and when not to use it. But I do not think this is the way it
> is. The GPS will give bad/old/misc times when there are no receivers.
> Like in a garage. Which is where the measurement systems often are
> started.

So the GPS is connected to your software and that is deciding whether
the signals are good? So why not set the system time from your software,
either by starting and stopping ntpd appropriately or by directly
setting the time?

Cheers, Dave

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Re: [opensuse] Strange dependency problem during distribution upgrade

[Michael Schmuker]

> If in yast, on the 10.1 install, have you selected the option to
> reset any conflicts that have been set to be ignored? If there are
> any, maybe the 10.2 yast in the install gets confused.
>
> Just something to try.
>
> [...]
>
>
> Perhaps you should rebuild your rpm database.

Tried both, no change... except that Yast on the 10.2 install system 
crashed with a core dump once during resolving, but I wasn't able to 
reproduce it.

I'm installing on a Thinkpad, and the reason why I want to update is 
mostly because of the better power management in 10.2's kernel.

> > I was tempted using smart for a distribution upgrade, but
> > hesitate since I can't afford sending this system to nirvana with
> > a failed upgrade attempt.
>
> So, you get to the point

I mentioned smart here because I wonder if there's something like 
smart dist-upgrade, like in apt. I only found spurious threads on 
distribution upgrading with smart in this list, which ended in 
discussion apt vs. smart.

Has anyone actually done a system upgrade with smart?

Cheers,

Michael

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Re: [opensuse] Time stability

[Dave Howorth]

Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> This is probably a hardware issue, but I need to see how to investigate:
> How could I get SUSE to record what the hardware time was when it boots,
> before making any changes, and then what it is after any changes? Same
> thing on power down. I guess this is tricky because these things
> probably happen when there are no disks mounted. Any ideas? I know I
> could check the BIOS each time. But I am not sure I can get the users to
> do this reliably.
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions?

To go back to your original question. The time is set by
/etc/init.d/boot.clock when called from the various rc directories. I
believe you could hack that script so it writes the hw time to a disk
file before it changes anything. You might also need to either hack the
script some more or rename the appropriate rc files so it isn't called
until some disk is mounted.

Cheers, Dave
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