[opensuse-factory] factory kernel-default-2.6.24_rc5_git2-2.i586.rpm

2007-12-16 Thread Rajko M.
Hi,

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/i586/
kernel-default-2.6.24_rc5_git2-2.i586.rpm

used in factory installation in VirtualBox (latest) can start only with 
acpi=off, but then system timer runs very fast. Old kernel is, as usually, 
removed. 
Booting in runlevel 3 and changing clock source from pit to tsc seems to be 
work. 

I guess it is a time to reload Alpha0 and start again. 

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Re: [opensuse] [OT] spreadsheet data exchange format?

2007-12-16 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
 Dear all, this is OT but I am not sure where to ask about it:

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 Now we need to
 generate spreadsheet from the web application that has merged cells in it.
 
 This time CSV format doesn't work, it cannot represent merged cells.
 
 I prefer not to create Excel formats because I don't wish to encourage
 use of Excel format.

Very wise not to encourage Excel use :)

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Re: [opensuse] Strange Alsa problem with SBLive card

2007-12-16 Thread Luc Willems
On Sunday 16 December 2007 01:36:33 Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
 Samstag, 15. Dezember 2007 Luc Willems:
  hello all ,
 
  if installed an old SB Live 5.1 card in my 10.3 suse system to led me
  use the waveable features.
 
  while testing the normal sound feature playing a mp3 , in noticed that
  the normal volume control in my kmix didn't work correctly.
  basicly , volume was controled with the Wave Surround mixer control
  instead of  Master or PCM control. I validated this with the alsamixer
  which had the same behaviour.
 
  both Master and PCM are not working. the boxes are connected at the back
  of the card to the rear speaker connection. i just use a plain sterio
  setup with 2 speakers.
 
  i looked around at the alsa site an mailing list , but couldn't find any
  sollution or even a description of the problem.
 
  luc

 Why don't you plug your speakers into the ffsp??

because , a year ago , i also used this card, then running suse 10.1 or 10.0 
and it wasn't a issue than. I always used the black colered plug to connect 
my speakers as long as i used this card (since suse 9.3 and have run all 
series). always used  2 speaker setup.

it' could be a hardware problem but i'm not confinced in that. because al 
functions work exept mixer controls are somehow mixed up.
i read on the alsa site that it is possible to arange the mixer control by 
reprogamming the  DSP chip so somehow i feel this seems to be
a glitch .

luc



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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Kernel problem with P5A-B motherboard.

2007-12-16 Thread Roger Hayter
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Roger Hayter wrote: [snipped]

Socket 7 systems are so old that there ought to be a K6/2 @ 500MHz or more or
a K6-III+ @400 or more to be had near you for between $0 and $25 or so. My
P2A-B has a K6/2-500. Any K6* of 400HMz or more should add enough performance
to get around several problems. IIRC, that Cyrix CPU only supports a FSB
speed of up to 75 MHz, while those K6 chips will all do 100 on the P5A-B.
Next, Socket 7 systems were originally designed to depend on motherboard
cache for RAM. I don't remember if the Ali chipset does better than most, but
I doubt it supports cache for all 512M. I do remember my K6/2-550 was
considerably slower on benchmarks with 384M than with 256M on a Tyan S1590
Trinity @ 100 MHz FSB (Via MVP3 chipset). The cache on a K6-III+ chip gets
around any shortage of motherboard cache, and can usually be run at 50-150
MHZ above its official rating.

So, the OS might be slow and have problems that need a solution, but a cheap
or free CPU upgrade should go a long way to alleviate some pain.

Have you run a RAM checker like memtest86? Does the Linux actually find all
512M? I thought Socket 7 chips were limited to 384M.


Yes, sorry I was reading the swap size I had set, it is using 256MB ram! 
I take your point I could make the system faster, but I am fairly sure I 
shouldn't need to.  The CPU is 97% idle at rest  with unnecessary 
processes stopped but the load average is still 0.2+  - something is 
wrong.


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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Kernel problem with P5A-B motherboard.

2007-12-16 Thread Roger Hayter
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rajko M. 
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On Saturday 15 December 2007 05:04:20 pm Roger Hayter wrote:


Can anyone advise me where to look in order to trace this problem
further?  I can find a lot of information on how to trace the behaviour
of a C program, running it in a controlled environment:  I can't find
any information on how to begin finding out what is going wrong in a
whole operating system.   Any suggestions gratefully received.


For the begin try using 'top' to see what is using CPU.

Except kernel there is number of system processes that are running all the
time like hald, d-bus etc. On a slower machine they would need more time to
accomplish tasks and load will appear almost steady.



Thanks.  I agree with this and the original figures in my post were from 
top.  But 97% of the time the CPU is doing nothing useful although 
some process(es) not visible in top are raising the load average.


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[opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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Hi,

That's the best description, its become lazy. Some times, if I'm not 
typing or moving the mouse, the entire machine stops. I see the display of 
gkrelmn stop. I was calculating the size of a directory using 'mc', went 
out for an hour, and the thing was exactly as I had left it: no work done 
at all.


I move the mouse, and it suddenly starts silently working again for a few 
seconds, then stop.


I go to ctrl-alt-f1, start there top, and it works. I go back to the 
desktop (gnome) and the laziness seems gone. As I'm writing this, I stop 
that 'top', and the desktop continues working - no, it doesn't, it stops 
after 10 or so.


I set the clock to show seconds, it works. No seconds, it stops - but not 
always.


What is happening? Kernel? Desktop? Goblins?



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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 install on x86_64?

2007-12-16 Thread Mike
On Saturday 15 December 2007, Rajko M. wrote:
 Have you tried normal installation trough YaST, with included KDE4
 repository?

Yes, and that worked by itself.  But when I then upgraded to the later KDE 4 
software it would fail on starting.  So I uninstalled everything and tried 
just the later software by itself as described in the referenced article.

mike.
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 install on x86_64?

2007-12-16 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 16 December 2007 07:22:47 am Mike wrote:
 On Saturday 15 December 2007, Rajko M. wrote:
  Have you tried normal installation trough YaST, with included KDE4
  repository?

 Yes, and that worked by itself.  But when I then upgraded to the later KDE
 4 software it would fail on starting.  So I uninstalled everything and
 tried just the later software by itself as described in the referenced
 article.

 mike.

I use zypper to update KDE4 packages. With YaST Software Management is more 
work to do the same because few packages doesn't follow naming 
kde4-package_name, but they are all listed with:
  zypper search kde4
and updated with:
  zypper update -t package

Make sure that repository KDE4 is listed with
  zypper repos
... snip
5  | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |KDE4_1   | KDE4   
... snip

If not add them with:
  zypper add-repo 
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3  KDE4

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Re: [opensuse] Strange Alsa problem with SBLive card

2007-12-16 Thread benefici
On 2007. 12. 16., Sunday 11:44, Luc Willems wrote:
 On Sunday 16 December 2007 01:36:33 Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
  Samstag, 15. Dezember 2007 Luc Willems:
 hello all ,
  
   if installed an old SB Live 5.1 card in my 10.3 suse system to led me
   use the waveable features.
  
   while testing the normal sound feature playing a mp3 , in noticed
   that the normal volume control in my kmix didn't work correctly.
   basicly , volume was controled with the Wave Surround mixer control
   instead of  Master or PCM control. I validated this with the alsamixer
   which had the same behaviour.
  
   both Master and PCM are not working. the boxes are connected at the
   back of the card to the rear speaker connection. i just use a plain
   sterio setup with 2 speakers.
  
   i looked around at the alsa site an mailing list , but couldn't find
   any sollution or even a description of the problem.
  
 luc
 
  Why don't you plug your speakers into the ffsp??

 because , a year ago , i also used this card, then running suse 10.1 or
 10.0 and it wasn't a issue than. I always used the black colered plug to
 connect my speakers as long as i used this card (since suse 9.3 and have
 run all series). always used  2 speaker setup.

 it' could be a hardware problem but i'm not confinced in that. because al
 functions work exept mixer controls are somehow mixed up.
 i read on the alsa site that it is possible to arange the mixer control
 by reprogamming the  DSP chip so somehow i feel this seems to be
 a glitch .

I have an ASUS M2N-E motherboard with an integrated MCP55 module, using the 
hda_intel driver. I have very similar symptoms, e.g. the front mic works only 
when I set the mixer to record from the line input. My problem only exists 
under 10.3. In the end I gave up and reverted to opensuse 10.2 where the 
mixer works flawlessly.
Tom
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 install on x86_64?

2007-12-16 Thread Mike
On Sunday 16 December 2007, Rajko M. wrote:
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.3  KDE4

 Let me know if this works.

Thanks -- this repository worked for me.  I don't know why the 1-click didn't 
work, but...anyway, I have 4.0RC2 working now.

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] Virtualise within 10.3

2007-12-16 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:36 +0200
gceruti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Folks
 
 I need to start getting all the household away from M$, dual boot is not the 
 way,  I would like them to load OpenSUSE and then if need be start the M$ 
 program they need.
 
 So some questions:
 I must reinstall M$, I cannot use a PC that has M$ already installed.
 What are the options here , wine, Crossover Office, XEN, VMWARE.
 
 Is it possible to boot both operating systems at the same time and then 
 switch 
 betwen them.
 
 Any other ideas ?.

Just trying to add a bit to what has already been stated. 
Probably a best approach is to install either VMWare or Virtualbox
using Linux as a host OS, but it appears that Gerard has Windows
already installed. Additionally, VMWare has 2 free products:
1. VMWare Player. VMWare player cannot create a virtual machine, you
can only use virtual machines that have already been created. 

2. VMWare Server. I had this running on my Linux laptop last summer.
While this worked fine, when I started up the laptop, the Windows
virtual machine would also start up. The only other issue I had with
this was that my wife wanted XP so she could use the Big Brother feeds
which required Real Player 10 AND MSIE for the login. In this case
Crossover Office and WINE did not work. Also, occasionally, the feed
video would freeze, but I think that tweaking some options could
alleviate that. Other Real Player videos worked fine in XP or native
Linux. 



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[opensuse] Opensuse and USB card reader?

2007-12-16 Thread Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Hi,

I am currently in the market for a flash card and floppy disk reader.
Yes, floppy disks, the 3.5 ones.

The reason I would like a reader for floppy disks as I have in excess of
  100 disks that contain  Windows drivers that I have needed over the
years. Some of these have not been replaced by newer versions as the
hardware itself didn't ever fail and so the old adage of If it ain't
broke, Don't fix it probably came to the developers mind. I will
probably not ever need them again, but they might come in handy for a
friend/business associate.

With this utility I will be able to transfer the driver files onto a USB
flashdisk and also keep another copy in my ~/, which gets backed up each
day to an external USB HDD.

The device will also allow me to read some of the camera flash cards as
well, which might prove pretty darn handy when one of the Folks' Windows
machine refuses to copy off the flashdisk.

I have identified a bit of hardware, but would appreciate any other
suggestions, provided they work 100% on openSUSE 10.2.

My first choice, is the Ultra 7-in-1 Digital Media Drive (Model:
ULT1799). It is listed in the opensuse HCL but I cannot find any
stockist information, especially any located here in South Africa.

Has anybody used such a device who can advise me on where to get it? If
not, can you suggest an alternative?

I have seen an Iomega(Model 32999) that is Mac OS X Leopard compatible
but my knowledge does not let me know if it is opensuse compatible.Can I
assume in 90% of the cases that what works on a Mac OS X will work on
opensuse Linux?

TIA
P.S: Sorry for the double barrelled question.
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[opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

2007-12-16 Thread Theo Wollenleben
After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system 
freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel. I've got two drives 
both a hard disk and a optical drive on both the primary and the secondary 
channel. This problem seems to appear only when using the mouse while reading 
data with high transfer rates from the secondary IDE channel. These freezes 
didn't happen under SUSE 10.1 (Kernel version 2.6.16) and don't happen under 
Knoppix 5.0.1 (Kernel version 2.6.17). They also happen when I'm using the 
openSUSE 10.3 Live CD KDE.

No freeze occurs while writing data. While reading, the higher the data 
transfer rates the sooner the freeze will happen. In most cases first the 
mouse freezes followed by the keyboard. Sometimes I can still trigger an 
Emergency Sync by pressing ALT+SysRq+S but I cannot control the KDE desktop 
or switch to a console with the keyboard. Often I can shutdown the computer 
properly by pressing the power button of my PC but sometimes even this won't 
work and I have to reset the computer.

Maybe I should also mention that since the upgrade I'm encountering 
occasionally sporadic freezes of the whole computer, mostly with blinking 
LEDs on the keyboard.

Any hints to solve this problem are appreciated.
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Re: [opensuse] Virtualise within 10.3

2007-12-16 Thread Ken Schneider
Jerry Feldman pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:36 +0200
 gceruti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Folks

 I need to start getting all the household away from M$, dual boot is not the 
 way,  I would like them to load OpenSUSE and then if need be start the M$ 
 program they need.

 So some questions:
 I must reinstall M$, I cannot use a PC that has M$ already installed.
 What are the options here , wine, Crossover Office, XEN, VMWARE.

 Is it possible to boot both operating systems at the same time and then 
 switch 
 betwen them.

 Any other ideas ?.
 
 Just trying to add a bit to what has already been stated. 
 Probably a best approach is to install either VMWare or Virtualbox
 using Linux as a host OS, but it appears that Gerard has Windows
 already installed. Additionally, VMWare has 2 free products:
 1. VMWare Player. VMWare player cannot create a virtual machine, you
 can only use virtual machines that have already been created. 
 
 2. VMWare Server. I had this running on my Linux laptop last summer.
 While this worked fine, when I started up the laptop, the Windows
 virtual machine would also start up. The only other issue I had with
 this was that my wife wanted XP so she could use the Big Brother feeds
 which required Real Player 10 AND MSIE for the login. In this case
 Crossover Office and WINE did not work. Also, occasionally, the feed
 video would freeze, but I think that tweaking some options could
 alleviate that. Other Real Player videos worked fine in XP or native
 Linux. 
 
 
 

I have been using VirtualBox for over a month now and have even copied
and used a VMware  .vmdk disk image with it. I had to use the w2k
install repair on it but it seems to work quite well. Saved having to
re-install and configure w2k.

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[opensuse] 10.3 Konqueror start page

2007-12-16 Thread Carl Hartung
Hi All,

'stock' 32-bit openSUSE 10.3
Konqueror 3.5.7
KDE 3.5.7, release 72.2

How do I change the default start page in Konqueror browser mode from 
opensuse.org to my preferred page? I'm probably looking too hard for the 
setting and am just not finding it.

TIA  regards,

Carl
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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Konqueror start page

2007-12-16 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 16 December 2007 18:35:15 Carl Hartung wrote:
 Hi All,

 'stock' 32-bit openSUSE 10.3
 Konqueror 3.5.7
 KDE 3.5.7, release 72.2

 How do I change the default start page in Konqueror browser mode from
 opensuse.org to my preferred page? I'm probably looking too hard for the
 setting and am just not finding it.

Go to the page, then Settings-Save View Profile Web Browsing

Anders

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Konqueror start page

2007-12-16 Thread Carl Hartung
On Sun December 16 2007 12:41:40 pm Anders Johansson wrote:
 Go to the page, then Settings-Save View Profile Web Browsing

Ah, short and sweet! Thanks! Looks like I've got some exploring to do in these 
upgraded menus.

Much appreciated!

Carl


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RE: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Philip Dowie
Sounds to me like your system is only working when being external interrupts 
are present.   How to solve, beats me.

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Subject: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

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Hi,

That's the best description, its become lazy. Some times, if I'm not
typing or moving the mouse, the entire machine stops. I see the display of
gkrelmn stop. I was calculating the size of a directory using 'mc', went
out for an hour, and the thing was exactly as I had left it: no work done
at all.

I move the mouse, and it suddenly starts silently working again for a few
seconds, then stop.

I go to ctrl-alt-f1, start there top, and it works. I go back to the
desktop (gnome) and the laziness seems gone. As I'm writing this, I stop
that 'top', and the desktop continues working - no, it doesn't, it stops
after 10 or so.

I set the clock to show seconds, it works. No seconds, it stops - but not
always.

What is happening? Kernel? Desktop? Goblins?



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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Rikard Johnels
On Sunday 16 December 2007 20:18, Philip Dowie wrote:
 Sounds to me like your system is only working when being external
 interrupts are present.   How to solve, beats me.

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 From: Carlos E. R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 17 December 2007 1:03 a.m.
 To: OS
 Subject: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately



 Hi,

 That's the best description, its become lazy. Some times, if I'm not
 typing or moving the mouse, the entire machine stops. I see the display of
 gkrelmn stop. I was calculating the size of a directory using 'mc', went
 out for an hour, and the thing was exactly as I had left it: no work done
 at all.

 I move the mouse, and it suddenly starts silently working again for a few
 seconds, then stop.

 I go to ctrl-alt-f1, start there top, and it works. I go back to the
 desktop (gnome) and the laziness seems gone. As I'm writing this, I stop
 that 'top', and the desktop continues working - no, it doesn't, it stops
 after 10 or so.

 I set the clock to show seconds, it works. No seconds, it stops - but not
 always.

 What is happening? Kernel? Desktop? Goblins?



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Revert back to runlevel 3 and see if the system still is lazy.
Check the syslog for errors.

Report back.



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[opensuse] latest snapshot of opensuse 10.0 build service repositories

2007-12-16 Thread Sunny
Hi,
as 10.0 goes out of support (or already gone, I don't know), looks
like all the 10.0 repositories in the build service are removed.

Is there an archive/mirror where I can find the latest snapshot? I.e.
the latest builds before the removal, so I can mirror it for update of
my existing 10.0 systems?

Thanks

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[opensuse] 10.3 boot freeze without noapic but USB doesn't hotplug

2007-12-16 Thread Gary Baribault

Hi folks,

I have a HP9000 (dv9205CA) which has a Turion (AMD) processor, and
1.25Gig of memory, and a 100Gig SATA drive. I have been using openSuSE
for a while, and let the dust settle from the 10.3 update before
moving from 10.2 to 10.3(64bits). Under 10.2 I had to prevent the
system from reading the real time clock to get it to boot otherwise it
would freeze. Under 10.3, it locks up while booting after a good
install, unless I add noapic to the boot command. That really fixes
the problem, but I have a USB KVM, and now if I switch over to my
Windoze laptop, when I come back to my Linux box, it no longer sees
the keyboard and mouse (USB) .. :-(

I thought the problem was AppArmor, but disabling it does not help, I
added the same option to /etc/sysconfig/clock but that didn't fix it
either... I would love to find the problem and just shut down that
which causes the problem.

Anyone else with a similar problem?

Gary B


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[opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Gary Baribault
Hi all,

Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
kill it once and for all?

Gary B


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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Kernel problem with P5A-B motherboard.

2007-12-16 Thread Roger Hayter
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes

On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:04:20PM +, Roger Hayter wrote:




Can anyone advise me where to look in order to trace this problem further?


The load idle seems a bit high for just sitting there and doing nothing.

Can you run 'powertop' while in text mode (no X running) and see what is
showing up as being the thing that is waking the processor up the most?

Hopefully that tool will work, but I don't know, as that is a very old
processor.

Many thanks for your suggestion.  Powertop shows that there are about 
250 interrupt events per second, 95%+ being extra timer interrupts. 
The answer is about the same whether or not I enable ACPI in the kernel, 
except for some not wholly credible figures are added (C3 state 159% for 
example) if I enable ACPI.


I can't find any explicit definition of extra timer interrupts on the 
powertop web site, do they mean anything to you?

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 16:41 -0500, Gary Baribault wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
 it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
 in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
 kill it once and for all?
 
 Gary B
 
 

Some people have a lot of trouble with Beagle, I don't. If you want to
kill it off for good, you can uninstall it. What are your computer's
specs, I'm trying to figure out why some are having issues and others
aren't.
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[opensuse] building x86_64 kernel on ia32; using x86_64 kern w/ia32 packages?

2007-12-16 Thread Linda Walsh

I have a build machine currently running the ia32 release of suse10.2.

It is running with a locally built vanilla kernel (2.6.23.1).

What I'd like to try is compiling the kernel sources for x86_64.  Is this
possible?  Do I need to obtain or build special cross compiler packages to
build x86_64 images under ia32?

If I already have 32-bit packages installed, is it possible to boot
successfully with a 64-bit kernel?  I.e. supposedly one can run 32-bit
programs on a 64-bit machine, yes?  Does this mean I could run my
currently installed 32-bit packages if I boot with a 64-bit kernel?
I'm not expecting to use such a setup in a production environment,
but more as an intermediate test state -- with the 64-bit packages
replacing the 32-bit packages after I've gotten the kernel to work.

If I have a 64-bit kernel (and packages), am I still able to build
32-bit kernels and packages?  The machine I'd like to upgrade to
64-bit is my primary build machine (it's 4-12x faster than the
other machines) so I want to be able to continue using it as
a 32-bit build machine.

Has anyone tried such setups?

Thanks,
Linda
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Re: [opensuse] Strange Alsa problem with SBLive card

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2007. 12. 16., Sunday 11:44, Luc Willems wrote:
 On Sunday 16 December 2007 01:36:33 Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
 Samstag, 15. Dezember 2007 Luc Willems:
hello all ,

 if installed an old SB Live 5.1 card in my 10.3 suse system to led me
 use the waveable features.

 while testing the normal sound feature playing a mp3 , in noticed
 that the normal volume control in my kmix didn't work correctly.
 basicly , volume was controled with the Wave Surround mixer control
 instead of  Master or PCM control. I validated this with the alsamixer
 which had the same behaviour.

 both Master and PCM are not working. the boxes are connected at the
 back of the card to the rear speaker connection. i just use a plain
 sterio setup with 2 speakers.

 i looked around at the alsa site an mailing list , but couldn't find
 any sollution or even a description of the problem.

luc
 Why don't you plug your speakers into the ffsp??
 because , a year ago , i also used this card, then running suse 10.1 or
 10.0 and it wasn't a issue than. I always used the black colered plug to
 connect my speakers as long as i used this card (since suse 9.3 and have
 run all series). always used  2 speaker setup.

 it' could be a hardware problem but i'm not confinced in that. because al
 functions work exept mixer controls are somehow mixed up.
 i read on the alsa site that it is possible to arange the mixer control
 by reprogamming the  DSP chip so somehow i feel this seems to be
 a glitch .
 
 I have an ASUS M2N-E motherboard with an integrated MCP55 module, using the 
 hda_intel driver. I have very similar symptoms, e.g. the front mic works only 
 when I set the mixer to record from the line input. My problem only exists 
 under 10.3. In the end I gave up and reverted to opensuse 10.2 where the 
 mixer works flawlessly.
 Tom

Make sure you file bug reports with Novell on each such issue. There is
no excuse for something to be working in 10.2 and broken in 10.3. That
is inexcusable - especially now 60 days after the release.


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Re: [opensuse] software to convert AVI to wmv??

2007-12-16 Thread Jos van Kan
Carl Hartung schreef:
 On Sat December 15 2007 05:59:18 pm Paul Hands wrote:
 Here's a simple example:

 *mencoder infile.wmv -ofps 23.976 -ovc lavc -oac copy -o outfile.avi*
 
 Okay, let's see...  I /think/ I get much of this:
 
 mencoder is the program, input file, unexplained options :-), -output video 
 codec, -output audio codec, unexplained 'copy' argument, -output to, 
 filename.
 
 If you don't mind, what are the unexplained bits for?
 

Oh, ah.  -ofps frames per second on output, -oac copy means that the audio
stream is just copied from the input and not reencoded. Especially useful if you
want to cut out a section:

mencoder foo.SOMEWILDFORMAT -ss 1:36:26 -endpos 5:37 -ovc copy -oac copy -o 
bar.avi

just cuts out a 5 minutes 37 seconds section starting at 1 hour 36 minutes 26
seconds into the videofile foo.SOMEWILDFORMAT and just copies the video and
audio stream into an avi file.
The starting time is only loosely defined (I find that the starting point
remains invariant for a 10 second perturbation in the starting time parameter)
but apart from that it is the fastest avi cutter I know of.

lavc is the libavc, and you could configure a few options with a -lavcopts
parameter. Also you could use, say, mp3 as audio codec in which case the oac
parameter would read
-oac mp3lame (-lameopts LAMEOPTS)

A good starting point:
http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/encoding.html

regards,
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Oh, btw, the given mencoder line does just the opposite the OP wanted, i.e.
convert an avi file to wmv, but that's left as an excercise to the reader. :-)
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Re: [opensuse] openSUSE 10.3 system freeze when reading secondary IDE channel

2007-12-16 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Dec 16, 2007 11:41 AM, Theo Wollenleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After upgrading from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 10.3 I'm experiencing system
 freezes when reading data from the secondary IDE channel. I've got two drives
 both a hard disk and a optical drive on both the primary and the secondary
 channel. This problem seems to appear only when using the mouse while reading
 data with high transfer rates from the secondary IDE channel. These freezes
 didn't happen under SUSE 10.1 (Kernel version 2.6.16) and don't happen under
 Knoppix 5.0.1 (Kernel version 2.6.17). They also happen when I'm using the
 openSUSE 10.3 Live CD KDE.

 No freeze occurs while writing data. While reading, the higher the data
 transfer rates the sooner the freeze will happen. In most cases first the
 mouse freezes followed by the keyboard. Sometimes I can still trigger an
 Emergency Sync by pressing ALT+SysRq+S but I cannot control the KDE desktop
 or switch to a console with the keyboard. Often I can shutdown the computer
 properly by pressing the power button of my PC but sometimes even this won't
 work and I have to reset the computer.

 Maybe I should also mention that since the upgrade I'm encountering
 occasionally sporadic freezes of the whole computer, mostly with blinking
 LEDs on the keyboard.

 Any hints to solve this problem are appreciated.

Theo,

I suspect one of your problems is that (by default) 10.3 has problems
with some CD / DVD players that somehow impacts HDD is the system.
(ie. ATAPI devices).

See Novell Bugzilla 331610 for a little of the history.  And when its
fixed, I suspect that bugzilla will get updated.

Until then, I would try to use the traditional ide drivers.  The 10.3
release notes tell you how to invoke them instead of the new ones that
10.3 defaults to.

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Linda Walsh

Gary Baribault wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
kill it once and for all?

---
Might try making sure the cfq block algorithm is being used,
then set 'beagle' to run at lowest priority (nice -19 beagle-start-script).

That should help it not use so much CPU, and, if cfq is working
well, it should set beagle's disk priority to near lowest as well.

Of course, if beagle is using 500MB and you only have 512MB, you are 
likely
to get alot of swapping.

I'd also wonder, does beagle use alot of resources during
some initial full-index phase, after which it can run with less resources
as it does incremental updates...?

BTW -- anyone compared it to swish (another full-system indexing util with
web-based interface).

Linda


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[opensuse] Beagle vs. swish system-index+search: any comparisons?

2007-12-16 Thread Linda Walsh

Anyone used the Swish, system indexing and search package?

Anyone know how Beagle compares with Swish?  More resources? Less?
Features?

Thanks for any experiences...
Linda
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Re: [opensuse] building x86_64 kernel on ia32; using x86_64 kern w/ia32 packages?

2007-12-16 Thread Cristian Rodríguez
Linda Walsh escribió:

 If I have a 64-bit kernel (and packages), am I still able to build
 32-bit kernels and packages? 

Yes, we do this all the time.

# linux32 build .

see build(1) and osc.


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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Linda Walsh

Carlos E. R. wrote:
I go to ctrl-alt-f1, start there top, and it works. I go back to the 
desktop (gnome) and the laziness seems gone. As I'm writing this, I stop 
that 'top', and the desktop continues working - no, it doesn't, it stops 
after 10 or so.


I set the clock to show seconds, it works. No seconds, it stops - but 
not always.


What is happening? Kernel? Desktop? Goblins?

---
It _sounds_ like some power-saving feature is set to become
active a short time after last user input (also sounds like it might
be messing up; but it could be a 'feature' for some people (on laptop,
on battery power - go to 'standby' 10 seconds after last mouse or keyboard
input?  Dunno...
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Joe Sloan
Gary Baribault wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
 it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
 in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
 kill it once and for all?

The standard procedure for me on any new suse build is to nuke beagle
completely (along with fixing the broken non-root paths, and installing
the chronically missing rwhod)

That means, specifically, doing an rpm -qa | grep beagle, nuking every
resulting item and also any dependencies such as kerry or kio_beagle.

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] software to convert AVI to wmv??

2007-12-16 Thread Carl Hartung
On Sun December 16 2007 05:09:41 pm Jos van Kan wrote:
snip
 A good starting point:
 http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/encoding.html

Thanks, Jos! :-)  Duly copied and pasted for later experimentation into my 
ever-expanding 'sox-cheat-sheet.txt' (I really /will/ get around to renaming 
it one of these days!) I like to collect these types of straightforward 
explanations when I see them. They're priceless!

regards,

Carl
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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 14:28 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:


It _sounds_ like some power-saving feature is set to become
active a short time after last user input (also sounds like it might
be messing up; but it could be a 'feature' for some people (on laptop,
on battery power - go to 'standby' 10 seconds after last mouse or keyboard
input?  Dunno...


Good idea... but it doesn't appear to be that easy. In the Power 
management preferences window, the action put computer to sleep when 
inactive for: is set to Never (and the minimum period possible is 11 
minutes). And both the power and suspend buttons are set to trigger 
hibernate.


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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 20:29 +0100, Rikard Johnels wrote:


Revert back to runlevel 3 and see if the system still is lazy.
Check the syslog for errors.

Report back.



If I go to a text console, in level 5, it appears not to go lazy, but it 
is difficult to say because the laziness is always erratic, doesn't happen 
always. But so far I have never seen it in text mode. Right now, I can't 
trigger the lazy behavior in any mode.


When I wrote the message I got the laziness response very easily, but there 
was never any message in the logs, nothing at all.



I'll have to wait till another day when this happens again.


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Re: [opensuse] Virtualise within 10.3

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 10:56 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote:


2. VMWare Server. I had this running on my Linux laptop last summer.
While this worked fine, when I started up the laptop, the Windows
virtual machine would also start up.


I don't see that behavior: I have to start manually both vmware and the 
virtual machine, although it is possible to start them automatically, 
which is possible why it is called server. It is configurable somewhere.


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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Linda Walsh

Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 14:28 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:

It _sounds_ like some power-saving feature is set to become
active a short time after last user input (also sounds like it might
be messing up; but it could be a 'feature' for some people (on laptop,
on battery power - go to 'standby' 10 seconds after last mouse or 
keyboard

input?  Dunno...


Good idea... but it doesn't appear to be that easy. 

---
Never is :-(.

It would likely be at the kernel level - like the kernel is going into
a low-load setting -- since your system isn't suspending or going to
sleep.  There are some cpu scheduling modules in the kernel (util
'powertop' makes suggestions for modules to include for laptop or
low power systems.  Something the cpufreq_ondemand module in the
in a suse stock kernel (2.6.18.2-34) I see cpufreq modules for
conservative, ondemand, powersave.

In some kernel version (gee, am just so specific -- I read information
in greater amounts than my brain auto-indexes... (:-)) I thought
there was a bug in some later kernel version concerning the new
tickless kernel and the ondemand-cpu module, but I don't think
the tickless patches are in 2.6.18.  I wonder if there are any ways
to tweak those modules -- but it appears they would only be used
on a system that has a variable cpu frequency -- so unless you have
that hardware(what hw did you say you had?)...

Good luck...
L
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Re: [opensuse] Strange Alsa problem with SBLive card

2007-12-16 Thread Matt T.
On Monday 17 December 2007, David C. Rankin wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 2007. 12. 16., Sunday 11:44, Luc Willems wrote:
  On Sunday 16 December 2007 01:36:33 Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
  Samstag, 15. Dezember 2007 Luc Willems:
[snip]
 
  it' could be a hardware problem but i'm not confinced in that. because
  al functions work exept mixer controls are somehow mixed up.
  i read on the alsa site that it is possible to arange the mixer
  control by reprogamming the  DSP chip so somehow i feel this seems to be
  a glitch .
 
  I have an ASUS M2N-E motherboard with an integrated MCP55 module, using
  the hda_intel driver. I have very similar symptoms, e.g. the front mic
  works only when I set the mixer to record from the line input. My problem
  only exists under 10.3. In the end I gave up and reverted to opensuse
  10.2 where the mixer works flawlessly.
  Tom

 Make sure you file bug reports with Novell on each such issue. There is
 no excuse for something to be working in 10.2 and broken in 10.3. That
 is inexcusable - especially now 60 days after the release.


inexcusable ??? 
There is no need for any excuse at all as long as there is no bug report 
filed!

I wouldn't expect SuSE / Novell or anyone to have available, and test, every 
possible current or legacy hardware combination. So please file such bug 
reports, let the guys at Novell know the details, and if there ever would be 
an excuse needed, you'll find it in there, and then can decide if it is 
indeed inexcusable or not.
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Gary Baribault
I have a HP Pavilion 9205CA with a Turion processor and 1.25 Gig of
memory. There is also a 100Gig SATA drive.

Gary B




Kevin Dupuy wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 16:41 -0500, Gary Baribault wrote:
 Hi all,

 Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
 it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
 in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
 kill it once and for all?

 Gary B



 Some people have a lot of trouble with Beagle, I don't. If you want to
 kill it off for good, you can uninstall it. What are your computer's
 specs, I'm trying to figure out why some are having issues and others
 aren't.

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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 16:28 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:

 Good idea... but it doesn't appear to be that easy. 

---
 Never is :-(.

It would likely be at the kernel level - like the kernel is going into
a low-load setting -- since your system isn't suspending or going to
sleep.  There are some cpu scheduling modules in the kernel (util
'powertop' makes suggestions for modules to include for laptop or
low power systems.  Something the cpufreq_ondemand module in the
in a suse stock kernel (2.6.18.2-34) I see cpufreq modules for
conservative, ondemand, powersave.

In some kernel version (gee, am just so specific -- I read information
in greater amounts than my brain auto-indexes... (:-))


Doesn't happen to us all? :-)


I thought
there was a bug in some later kernel version concerning the new
tickless kernel and the ondemand-cpu module, but I don't think
the tickless patches are in 2.6.18.


tickless... sounds familiar.


I wonder if there are any ways
to tweak those modules -- but it appears they would only be used
on a system that has a variable cpu frequency -- so unless you have
that hardware(what hw did you say you had?)...


I'm not sure if my hardware has that capacity. It is a pentium IV @ 1800, 
single cpu. Lets see what /proc says:


nimrodel:~/notas # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 15
model   : 1
model name  : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 1800.190
cache size  : 256 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm
bogomips: 3603.26
clflush size: 64


Then, in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/*

info:

processor id:0
acpi id: 1
bus mastering control:   no
power management:yes
throttling control:  yes
limit interface: yes


limit:

active limit:P0:T0
user limit:  P0:T0
thermal limit:   P0:T0


power:

active state:C2
max_cstate:  C8
bus master activity: fb7ef96b
maximum allowed latency:  usec
states:
C1:  type[C1] promotion[C2] demotion[--] latency[000] 
usage[16988520] duration[]
   *C2:  type[C2] promotion[--] demotion[C1] latency[090] 
usage[42284950] duration[738930421870]



throttling:

state count: 2
active state:T0
states:
   *T0:  00%
T1:  50%





My suspect is the clock. I was having problems with the default system 
clock, which is 'acpi_pm', which had delays of several minutes per hour. I 
changed to 'tsc', which works, although the kernel complains during boot:


  nimrodel:~ # grep -i clock\|tsc\|TSC /var/log/boot.msg
  6Time: tsc clocksource has been installed.
  6Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac
  4Marking TSC unstable due to: possible TSC halt in C2.   ===
  6Time: acpi_pm clocksource has been installed.
  6intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 50881 usecs
  6intel8x0: clocking to 48000
  doneSetting up the hardware clockdone

And:

  Dec  8 13:56:52 nimrodel kernel: Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = 
32800377181 ns)



However, I think I had instances of these freezing episodes weeks ago, 
before I set the 'tsc' clock, so...


I have no idea.


Another symptom:

Twice, completely randomly, the system froze. The last time was several 
days ago. The keyboard stopped responding, the mouse, the display... I 
thought of powering another machine and entering through ssh; but the 
moment the other machine had finished booting up, my main machine 
continued working as if nothing had happened.


This has happened twice, and it is very weird. The only thing I know for 
sure is that it is a software issue of suse 10.3: they started the day 
after I upgraded.


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Re: [opensuse] problems on setting wireless USB (D-Link) DWL-G122-revC

2007-12-16 Thread Matt T.
On Thursday 13 December 2007, Adinda Praditya wrote:
 On Dec 13, 2007 9:31 AM, Matt T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I use the D-Link DWL-G122, H/W Ver. C1 and it deos _not_ need
  ndiswrapper, there are linux native drivers vor it. Install the kernel
  modules taking care of Ralink ... Works like a charm with Networkmanager
  / knetworkmanager
 
  For my configuration it is the kernel module
  rt2x00-kmp-default-2.0.6+git20070816_2.6.22.13_0.2-1.1

 When installation step, the installation system detects it perfectly.
 But failed to save the configuration file. And when came to network
 detection (after asking root password etc), it didn't recognize the
 device. So i setup using Ndiswrapper and followed the docs. Anyway,
 can you explain more detail about it?

 Thanks,

 Adinda P

This is a while ago and it just worked, thus I did not take any notes... but 
ok, I try:

Assuming you run 10.3 with a recent kernel. I don't remember if it was already 
working with the kernel and rt2x00-kmp out of the box, mainly because when I 
installed it I had already updated the kernel several times. 

- Install the rt2x00 module for your kernel; probably a reboot is helpful 
after that

- do not load ndiswrapper, unload it if needed, and make sure it does not get 
loaded when rebooting. This might not matter as long as you have no win 
drivers for the DWL-G122 installed, but better be sure, and you won't need 
them anyway.

- plug in the DWL-G122 - knetworkmanager will open a window and ask for 
connection details

Note: IIRC I did not setup the card directly with Yast. It is managed through 
knetworkmanager / networkmanager

HTH,
Matt

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Re: [opensuse] problems on setting wireless USB (D-Link) DWL-G122-revC

2007-12-16 Thread Joe Sloan
Matt T. wrote:

 This is a while ago and it just worked, thus I did not take any notes... but 
 ok, I try:
 
 Assuming you run 10.3 with a recent kernel. I don't remember if it was 
 already 
 working with the kernel and rt2x00-kmp out of the box, mainly because when I 
 installed it I had already updated the kernel several times. 
 
 - Install the rt2x00 module for your kernel; probably a reboot is helpful 
 after that
 
 - do not load ndiswrapper, unload it if needed, and make sure it does not get 
 loaded when rebooting. This might not matter as long as you have no win 
 drivers for the DWL-G122 installed, but better be sure, and you won't need 
 them anyway.
 
 - plug in the DWL-G122 - knetworkmanager will open a window and ask for 
 connection details
 
 Note: IIRC I did not setup the card directly with Yast. It is managed through 
 knetworkmanager / networkmanager

Sounds right, except for the reboot - doh! no windoze involved, so we
just need a modprobe, not a reboot.

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[opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys,

How do I call 'ls' from within a script without it also returning the
contents of the present working directory? Here is the line from my script:

ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*

Here is the output:

# ./linux/scripts/showLibConfig
250sata.pdf 7857.pdf Bannykh-ArizMedBoard.pdf Bannykh-TennMedBoard.pdf
bin broadway.pdf david.asc Desktop Documents linux log Pictures
public_html westlaw-renewal_20071129.pdf /usr/lib/libGL.so Config

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-09 16:19 /usr/lib/libGL.so -
libGL.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -
libGL.so.1.2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391344 2007-09-21 20:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2.sav

as you can see, it looks like 'ls' is evaluated before 'ls -al
/usr/lib/libGL.so*' gets evaluated. How do I fix this?


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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread Don Raboud
On Sunday 16 December 2007 18:54, David C. Rankin wrote:
 Guys,

   How do I call 'ls' from within a script without it also returning the
 contents of the present working directory? Here is the line from my script:

 ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*

 Here is the output:

 # ./linux/scripts/showLibConfig
 250sata.pdf 7857.pdf Bannykh-ArizMedBoard.pdf Bannykh-TennMedBoard.pdf
 bin broadway.pdf david.asc Desktop Documents linux log Pictures
 public_html westlaw-renewal_20071129.pdf /usr/lib/libGL.so Config

 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-09 16:19 /usr/lib/libGL.so -
 libGL.so.1
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -
 libGL.so.1.2
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -
 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391344 2007-09-21 20:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2.sav

 as you can see, it looks like 'ls' is evaluated before 'ls -al
 /usr/lib/libGL.so*' gets evaluated. How do I fix this?

Does calling /bin/ls instead of just ls help?

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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread K.R. Foley
David C. Rankin wrote:
 Guys,
 
   How do I call 'ls' from within a script without it also returning the
 contents of the present working directory? Here is the line from my script:
 
 ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*
 
 Here is the output:
 
 # ./linux/scripts/showLibConfig
 250sata.pdf 7857.pdf Bannykh-ArizMedBoard.pdf Bannykh-TennMedBoard.pdf
 bin broadway.pdf david.asc Desktop Documents linux log Pictures
 public_html westlaw-renewal_20071129.pdf /usr/lib/libGL.so Config
 
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-09 16:19 /usr/lib/libGL.so -
 libGL.so.1
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -
 libGL.so.1.2
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -
 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391344 2007-09-21 20:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2.sav
 
 as you can see, it looks like 'ls' is evaluated before 'ls -al
 /usr/lib/libGL.so*' gets evaluated. How do I fix this?
 
 

That doesn't make any sense. Could you post the actual code of the
script? If the code is as you show it above there is no way that it
lists the current directory, unless you have some kind of wierd alias
for ls. Type which ls without the quotes to see where ls is being run
from.

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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread Carlos E. R.

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The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 19:54 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:


How do I call 'ls' from within a script without it also returning the
contents of the present working directory? Here is the line from my script:

ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*

Here is the output:

# ./linux/scripts/showLibConfig
250sata.pdf 7857.pdf Bannykh-ArizMedBoard.pdf Bannykh-TennMedBoard.pdf
bin broadway.pdf david.asc Desktop Documents linux log Pictures
public_html westlaw-renewal_20071129.pdf /usr/lib/libGL.so Config

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-09 16:19 /usr/lib/libGL.so - libGL.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 - 
libGL.so.1.2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2007-12-16 16:25 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 - 
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391344 2007-09-21 20:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2.sav

as you can see, it looks like 'ls' is evaluated before 'ls -al
/usr/lib/libGL.so*' gets evaluated. How do I fix this?



I can not reproduce your problem here. I wrote a script:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cat bin/pp

ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ bin/pp
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-11-03 03:01 /usr/lib/libGL.so - libGL.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-11-03 03:01 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 - 
libGL.so.1.2
- -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 567628 2007-02-18 02:59 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9631
- -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 391344 2007-09-22 03:34 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2


So, you either have something else in your script that is interfering, or 
there is a strangely named file(s) in that path.


Or an alias, as K.R. Foley sugests.

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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
K.R. Foley wrote:
 
 That doesn't make any sense. Could you post the actual code of the
 script? If the code is as you show it above there is no way that it
 lists the current directory, unless you have some kind of wierd alias
 for ls. Type which ls without the quotes to see where ls is being run
 from.
 

I agree that it doesn't make any sense. Here is the script in its entirety:

#!/bin/bash
echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config '\n'
ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*
echo -e *** /usr/lib/libIndirect Config '\n'
ls -al /usr/lib/libIn*
echo -e '\n'
read -p Strike and Key to See xorg.conf:  key
echo -e '\n'
tail -n24 /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Run it, it just shows a few config files. You will see that is produces
a ls of the present directory before doing what it should. Any thoughts?


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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread Otto Rodusek (AP-SGP)
David C. Rankin wrote:
 K.R. Foley wrote:
   
 That doesn't make any sense. Could you post the actual code of the
 script? If the code is as you show it above there is no way that it
 lists the current directory, unless you have some kind of wierd alias
 for ls. Type which ls without the quotes to see where ls is being run
 from.

 

 I agree that it doesn't make any sense. Here is the script in its entirety:

 #!/bin/bash
 echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config '\n'
 ls -al /usr/lib/libGL.so*
 echo -e *** /usr/lib/libIndirect Config '\n'
 ls -al /usr/lib/libIn*
 echo -e '\n'
 read -p Strike and Key to See xorg.conf:  key
 echo -e '\n'
 tail -n24 /etc/X11/xorg.conf

 Run it, it just shows a few config files. You will see that is produces
 a ls of the present directory before doing what it should. Any thoughts?


   

Hi,

Your script is wrong. change all your echo to (use double quotes)

echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config \n

and all your probs will disappear!!


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
Joe Sloan wrote:
 Gary Baribault wrote:
 Hi all,

 Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
 it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
 in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
 kill it once and for all?
 
 The standard procedure for me on any new suse build is to nuke beagle
 completely (along with fixing the broken non-root paths, and installing
 the chronically missing rwhod)
 
 That means, specifically, doing an rpm -qa | grep beagle, nuking every
 resulting item and also any dependencies such as kerry or kio_beagle.
 
 Joe

rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)

works nicely


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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
Carlos E. R. wrote:
 
 
 The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 14:28 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:
 
 It _sounds_ like some power-saving feature is set to become
 active a short time after last user input (also sounds like it might
 be messing up; but it could be a 'feature' for some people (on laptop,
 on battery power - go to 'standby' 10 seconds after last mouse or
 keyboard
 input?  Dunno...
 
 Good idea... but it doesn't appear to be that easy. In the Power
 management preferences window, the action put computer to sleep when
 inactive for: is set to Never (and the minimum period possible is 11
 minutes). And both the power and suspend buttons are set to trigger
 hibernate.
 
 -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.

Try setting Never to something else, save, exit, then change it back
to Never and see if that help.

Other than that, just set the clock to show seconds and forget about it 
;-)

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Peter Van Lone
On Dec 16, 2007 4:39 PM, Joe Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The standard procedure for me on any new suse build is to nuke beagle
 completely

Beagle doesn't give me any problems at all ... and I use it often to
find stuff ... I guess if I was using the box as a server I would
remove it, but otherwise it seems to me that removing it automatically
is more a statement concerning how little you value desktop search,
more than a statement about Beagle itself?

(along with fixing the broken non-root paths, and installing

What do you consider the broken non-root paths? Just curious.

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Kevin Dupuy
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 20:15 -0500, Gary Baribault wrote:
 I have a HP Pavilion 9205CA with a Turion processor and 1.25 Gig of
 memory. There is also a 100Gig SATA drive.
 
 Gary B
 
 
 
 
 Kevin Dupuy wrote:
  On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 16:41 -0500, Gary Baribault wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
  it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
  in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
  kill it once and for all?
 
  Gary B
 
 
 
  Some people have a lot of trouble with Beagle, I don't. If you want to
  kill it off for good, you can uninstall it. What are your computer's
  specs, I'm trying to figure out why some are having issues and others
  aren't.
 

Oh. I'm thinking it is maybe the size of a user's /home.

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Joe Sloan
David C. Rankin wrote:

 rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)
 
 works nicely

It looks good, but it won't remove beagle because kerry needs it.

But in general I agree with your elegant approach.

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Kevin Dupuy

On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 21:46 -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:
 On Dec 16, 2007 4:39 PM, Joe Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The standard procedure for me on any new suse build is to nuke beagle
  completely
 
 Beagle doesn't give me any problems at all ... and I use it often to
 find stuff ... I guess if I was using the box as a server I would
 remove it, but otherwise it seems to me that removing it automatically
 is more a statement concerning how little you value desktop search,
 more than a statement about Beagle itself?
 
 (along with fixing the broken non-root paths, and installing
 
 What do you consider the broken non-root paths? Just curious.
 
 Peter

I agree with you. I have no issue with Beagle, I think maybe the issues
are related to the size of the Home folder...?

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Joe Sloan
Peter Van Lone wrote:
 On Dec 16, 2007 4:39 PM, Joe Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The standard procedure for me on any new suse build is to nuke beagle
 completely
 
 Beagle doesn't give me any problems at all ... and I use it often to
 find stuff ... I guess if I was using the box as a server I would
 remove it, but otherwise it seems to me that removing it automatically
 is more a statement concerning how little you value desktop search,
 more than a statement about Beagle itself?
 
 (along with fixing the broken non-root paths, and installing
 
 What do you consider the broken non-root paths? Just curious.

I have to fix the path to deal with the complaints of users who complain
that e.g. ifconfig isn't installed, or who maybe have to type a full
path for common commands. There's IMHO no reason a normal desktop user
shouldn't be able to run many commands which reside in /sbin or /usr/sbin.

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
Otto Rodusek (AP-SGP) wrote:
 David C. Rankin wrote:
 K.R. Foley wrote:
 
 That doesn't make any sense. Could you post the actual code of
 the script? If the code is as you show it above there is no way
 that it lists the current directory, unless you have some kind of
 wierd alias for ls. Type which ls without the quotes to see
 where ls is being run from.
 
 
 I agree that it doesn't make any sense. Here is the script in its
 entirety:
 
 #!/bin/bash echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config '\n' ls -al
 /usr/lib/libGL.so* echo -e *** /usr/lib/libIndirect Config '\n' ls
 -al /usr/lib/libIn* echo -e '\n' read -p Strike and Key to See
 xorg.conf:  key echo -e '\n' tail -n24 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 
 Run it, it just shows a few config files. You will see that is
 produces a ls of the present directory before doing what it should.
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Your script is wrong. change all your echo to (use double quotes)
 
 echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config \n
 
 and all your probs will disappear!!
 
 
 
 Thank you Otto,

For solving my CRI! I missed that in man bash, but I knew I had to
quote the escape sequence. It was a forest for the trees issue. Also,
single quotes work just fine as well.

The error is really weird. It was the result of the 'echo *' statement.
Why it would interpret the *** is also just as strange.

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   echo [-neE] [arg ...] Output the args, separated by spaces,
followed by a newline. The return status is always 0. If -n is
specified, the trailing newline is suppressed. If the -e option is
given, interpretation of the following backslash-escaped characters is
enabled. The -E option disables the interpretation of these escape
characters, even on systems where they are interpreted by default. The
xpg_echo shell option may be used to dynamically determine whether or
not echo expands these escape characters by default. echo does not
interpret -- to mean the end of options. echo interprets the following
escape sequences:
  \a alert (bell)
  \b backspace
  \c suppress trailing newline
  \e an escape character
  \f form feed
  \n new line
  \r carriage return
  \t horizontal tab
  \v vertical tab
  \\ backslash
  \0nnn  the eight-bit character whose value is the octal
value nnn (zero to three octal digits)
  \xHH   the eight-bit character whose value is the
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread David C. Rankin
Joe Sloan wrote:
 David C. Rankin wrote:
 
 rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)

 works nicely
 
 It looks good, but it won't remove beagle because kerry needs it.
 
 But in general I agree with your elegant approach.
 
 Joe

Ahah,

You are correct! Looks like it will have to be:

rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle) kerry


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Ken Schneider
Joe Sloan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
 David C. Rankin wrote:
 
 rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)

 works nicely
 
 It looks good, but it won't remove beagle because kerry needs it.
 
 But in general I agree with your elegant approach.
 
 Joe

rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle) $(rpm -qa | grep kerry)

should do the trick.

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Re: [opensuse] My desktop has become lazy lately

2007-12-16 Thread Tom Patton

On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 02:17 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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 The Sunday 2007-12-16 at 16:28 -0800, Linda Walsh wrote:

 
 
 However, I think I had instances of these freezing episodes weeks ago, 
 before I set the 'tsc' clock, so...
 
 I have no idea.
 
 
 Another symptom:
 
 Twice, completely randomly, the system froze. The last time was several 
 days ago. The keyboard stopped responding, the mouse, the display... I 
 thought of powering another machine and entering through ssh; but the 
 moment the other machine had finished booting up, my main machine 
 continued working as if nothing had happened.
 
 This has happened twice, and it is very weird. The only thing I know for 
 sure is that it is a software issue of suse 10.3: they started the day 
 after I upgraded.

This thread is sounding suspiciously similar to my drive failure
Thursday, following a YOU last weekend.  See my thread ata2 suddenly
bad.  I mean the randomly sluggish aka lock-up syndrome.

I have since installed an EIDE drive with fresh install of boxed 10.3,
reloaded all my original apps, and have done a new YOU (with the same
kernel version as last week).  So far...28 hrs and counting...all is
fabulous.

I can't add anything else, except that there have been several weird
threads this week about similar stall symptoms...one re oocalc, mine,
yours, and a couple others.  

I had thought mine was due to Beagle, or perhaps because it was an
upgrade from 10.2.  Then I lost both /sda8 and /sdb2...something is
amiss somewhere.  Or not...I might have had a failing SATA drive...I am
currently not using any of /sdb partitions.

Tom in NM


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[opensuse] NFS won't see directories

2007-12-16 Thread Tim Hanson
I have been using NFS for years.  Currently I have a laptop running 10.2 and a 
desktop I just switched to 10.3.

When I updated the desktop to 10.3, suddenly I couldn't see some (but not 
all) desktop directories and files from my laptop.  It's not access denied, 
or any other error message.  Some directories and files they contain just 
don't show up.  More than that, if I transfer directories and files from the 
laptop to the desktop, the directory appears on the laptop but not from a 
file manager on the desktop, even as root, even with no_root_squash,insecure 
in /etc/exports.  uids and gids are the same.  I'm stymied..

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Re: [opensuse] Basic Bash Question

2007-12-16 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 16 December 2007 20:05, David C. Rankin wrote:
 Otto Rodusek (AP-SGP) wrote:
  ...
 
  Hi,
 
  Your script is wrong. change all your echo to (use double quotes)
 
  echo -e *** /usr/lib/libGL.so Config \n
 
  and all your probs will disappear!!

  Thank you Otto,

   For solving my CRI! I missed that in man bash, but I knew I had to
 quote the escape sequence. It was a forest for the trees issue. Also,
 single quotes work just fine as well.

In this case they do, but they're not equivalent. Double quotes do not 
prevent shell variable references from being expanded. Single quotes 
do.


 The error is really weird. It was the result of the 'echo *'
 statement. Why it would interpret the *** is also just as strange.

This has nothing to do with the echo built-in, per se. Globbing (the 
process of expanding shell wild-card arguments) logically precedes the 
invocation of the command whose arguments are generated by the globbing 
process and is entirely independent of the command for which the 
expansion is being carried out.

Since the glob interpretation of '*' is zero or more occurrence of any 
character, putting more than one together is just redundant (they're 
idempotent).


 --

 man bash (line 2988)

echo [-neE] [arg ...] Output the args, ...

As I said, echo isn't at issue. Shell wild-card globbing is.


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Randall Schulz
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[opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-16 Thread Stevens
Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.

What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system?
I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good 
idea to put that piece of [EMAIL PROTECTED] in any distro.

Fred
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread kanenas
On Sunday 16 December 2007 05:56:05 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
 David C. Rankin wrote:
  rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)
 
  works nicely

 It looks good, but it won't remove beagle because kerry needs it.

 But in general I agree with your elegant approach.

 Joe

You can safely remove kerry and anything beagle. 

and make some noise about it, perhaps it can attract the attention of 
developers that develop bloated software. 

In my mind it is really sad that anything not related to gaming or heavy duty 
engineering simulations abuses hardware thousands of times harder than it 
could or should...
it used to be that open source software was a lean and mean fighting machine, 
now the typical linucs install is about 2-3x that of an xp partition, don't 
know anything about vista. and running the proggies often brings up 
situations like beagle or a software update, much better than 10.2 but still 
awful timewise, on dual core or even quad core cpus with oodles of ram!
d. 
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

2007-12-16 Thread Kai Ponte
On Sunday 16 December 2007 21:09, Stevens wrote:
 Just so I won't be accused of hijacking a thread, I've started a new one.

 What is the main purpose of Beagle? Besides hosing up your system?
 I am really curious as to why someone thought that it would be a good
 idea to put that piece of [EMAIL PROTECTED] in any distro.

From what I understand - it is supposed to be a more friendly way of 
organizing your stuff. 

Or - rather - it is a way of taking that unorganized mess of documents, 
spreadsheets, man pages, half-written essays on the Cold War, music files, 
speeches, videos, art and that-thing-you-been-trying-to-program-for-two-years 
and catagorize them all.

I just put all my crap in /home/kai/Documents.  Works for me!  :P


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Re: [opensuse] software to convert AVI to wmv - Getting OT w/Kai??

2007-12-16 Thread Kai Ponte
On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:00, David C. Rankin wrote:
 Kai Ponte wrote:
  heh - you think that's wild? Check out the one I just did for converting
  an avi file to mpeg for putting on a dvd...
 
  mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -vf
  scale=720:480,harddup -srate 48000 -af lavcresample=48000 -lavcopts
  vcodec=mpeg2video:vrc_buf_size=1835:vrc_maxrate=9800:vbitrate=5000:keyint
 =18:aspect=16/9:acodec=ac3:abitrate=192 -ofps 3/1001 -o movie_out.mpg
  Movie_Dvd_rip.Dino.avi
 
  There is somewhere that actually describes all the options.

 No Kai!,

   Voodoo is _not_ allowed! Put up the wiji board and have faith in the
 man page. The supernatural is reserved for the folks in South Louisiana.
 You scare me sometimes ;-)

If I had a GUI tool, I'd use it. 

I just know that - were I to hypothetically download an .avi or .mpg4 movie or 
dvd from a bitorrent site - I'd be able to use that command to convert it to 
DVD format for use in the KDE DVD Authoring wizard to make a DVD.

But since I never use my neighbor's wifi and I never go on bittorrent sites, I 
wouldn't know about such things.

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

2007-12-16 Thread Joe Sloan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 16 December 2007 05:56:05 pm Joe Sloan wrote:
 David C. Rankin wrote:
 rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep beagle)

 works nicely
 It looks good, but it won't remove beagle because kerry needs it.

 But in general I agree with your elegant approach.

 Joe
 
 You can safely remove kerry and anything beagle. 


Right, and I always remove kerry - I was just pointing out a flaw in the
one-liner provided earlier as an example.


 and make some noise about it, perhaps it can attract the attention of 
 developers that develop bloated software. 
 
 In my mind it is really sad that anything not related to gaming or heavy duty 
 engineering simulations abuses hardware thousands of times harder than it 
 could or should...
 it used to be that open source software was a lean and mean fighting machine, 
 now the typical linucs install is about 2-3x that of an xp partition, don't 
 know anything about vista. and running the proggies often brings up 
 situations like beagle or a software update, much better than 10.2 but still 
 awful timewise, on dual core or even quad core cpus with oodles of ram!

Well it still can be very lean and mean, but if you install suse, you
have to do some work to get it that way.

Joe
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