[opensuse-factory] Warning: 10.3 test-updates breaks the system
Hello, a warning to everybody who uses the 10.3 test-updates: currently you will break your system because dbus, hal and some other packages will be uninstalled by the aaa_base patch. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=352177 If you have already installed the broken patch, grep for rpm.*-e in /var/log/zypper.log and reinstall the deleted packages with rpm. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ein wenig künstlerische Freiheit darf doch wohl noch sein, oder? Nur, falls Du die Artistic Licence unterschrieben hast. [Bernd Brodesser und Martin Leidig in suse-talk] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Warning: 10.3 test-updates breaks the system
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Christian Boltz wrote: Hello, a warning to everybody who uses the 10.3 test-updates: currently you will break your system because dbus, hal and some other packages will be uninstalled by the aaa_base patch. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=352177 If you have already installed the broken patch, grep for rpm.*-e in /var/log/zypper.log and reinstall the deleted packages with rpm. argh, it caught me again. should have fixed the problem last time instead of just removing the broken patch back then. Should be fixed now, please contact me if this still happens. -- with kind regards (mit freundlichem Grinsen), Ruediger Oertel ([EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Linux Fatou 2.6.24-rc6-git7-2-default #1 SMP 2008/01/01 21:14:48 UTC x86_64 Key fingerprint = 17DC 6553 86A7 384B 53C5 CA5C 3CE4 F2E7 23F2 B417 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
On Sun January 6 2008 14:53:36 Aaron Kulkis wrote: No, because /usr/bin/X11 is supposed to point at /usr/X11R6/bin. do the following: $ su password: # cd /usr/bin # rm X11 # ln ../X11R6/bin X11 # exit $ ls -al /usr/bin/X11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-12-26 /usr/bin/X11 - ../X11R6/bin That was true for 10.1, but for 10.3 you now have: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2007-12-29 13:23 /usr/bin/X11 - . as explained by Christian. -- Carlos FL It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that. - G. H. Hardy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.3 how to speed up smtp performance
Aaron Kulkis wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates (Sandy), I have built a fresh 10.3 server, but smtp performance seems slow. Are there any tips or tricks to improve the mail sending performance. There aren't going to be any magic kernel settings to make mail-handling faster. The reason is that mail handing is NOT a cpu-bound task, it's disk-I/O and network-I/O-bound Your advice isn't wrong, but doesn't really address the issue at hand. First you check your software configuration, and only then you throw metal and money at the problem. In most cases the the configuration is less than optimal, and investing in hardware ist not going to solve the problem if the number of smtp client processes is not adjusted. You simply waste -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] howto make usb drive stop
Volker a écrit : jdd 05.01.2008 22:24: I have an USB drive (hard drive), but it is always spinning. Is it possible to make it stop when unused? thanks jdd You can try sg_start -stop /dev/sdx This works at least for one of my usb-drives (teac i think) Volker not for this one, alas sg_start -s -v /dev/sdb Start stop unit command: 1b 00 00 00 01 00 and nothing happen anyway it could be of good practice to send this command to any usb drive at shutdown. My problem is the following: Drives use hudge current intensity and are better connected on an powered USB hub. But when I shut down the computer the drive is still powered by the usb unit and spin all the night, and if I shutdown the power plug, I often forget to power it on when using my laptop and after 2 hours it stops working :-)). If I'm not there it shut down again that's a lap top problem, of course :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Tenda 54M usb wireless adapter
On Monday 07 January 2008 04:14:47 Greg KH wrote: On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 06:39:26PM +0100, primm wrote: This is not suported by Linux. What is the vendor and product id of this device? Can you send me the output of /proc/bus/usb/devices or 'lsusb' with it plugged in? thanks, greg k-h Hi Greg lsusb Bus 002 Device 004: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1286:1fab Bus 002 Device 001: ID : Bus 001 Device 002: ID 5543:0005 UC-Logic Technology Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID : The UC-Logic is my graphics tablet. Love L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.3 how to speed up smtp performance
Aaron Kulkis escribió: Therefore, the way to improve the process of a mail server is to... ...Mount the mail spool with the noatime option .. ;-) -- The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. - Albert Einstein Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Tenda 54M usb wireless adapter
primm escribió: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1286:1fab that's your wireless device, the card may work with the usb8388 module but the deviceid is not registered :-( -- The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. - Albert Einstein Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
Hello everybody, I have a nice piece of hardware equipped with a ahtlon 4000+ cpu. Everytime i boot my computer the suse updater spends several minutes of cputime. No problem, but I can't do anything during this time. Linux has a NICE priority mechanism, to my opinion the suse updater should run on a low priority. Why isn't it designed this way ? Is there a posibilty to do it myself, for instance with the nice command. Thanks, Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 10:50 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Hello everybody, I have a nice piece of hardware equipped with a ahtlon 4000+ cpu. Everytime i boot my computer the suse updater spends several minutes of cputime. No problem, but I can't do anything during this time. Linux has a NICE priority mechanism, to my opinion the suse updater should run on a low priority. Why isn't it designed this way ? Is there a posibilty to do it myself, for instance with the nice command. Thanks, Hans Hi Hans, you are right, opensuseupdater takes a long time to get the list of updates when a lot of repositories are enabled. There are some related feature request for opensuseupdater: - Opensuseupdater shouldn't check for updates every time you login but on defined intervals - Opensuseupdater should wait until system load is low I will do my best to add these features to the next kde version of opensuseupdater. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
Hello Aaron, On Sunday 06 January 2008 22:14:59 Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clive Rogers wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. What jokes? Jokes about yomama is so big etc. Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my and this program is which program, exactly? astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Hmmm. interesting Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Considering that we don't even know what program you're talking about... in short: NO! Come back when you have a better description of what it is you're looking for, like...oh I don't know... a NAME maybe? The name of the program is in the subject line. Its called YoMama (Yale Observatory iMAge Manipulation Applicationfrom). I think it was written in Java but am not sure been too long since I ran the program. Ask an incomplete question, get an incomplete answer. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Newest openOffice.org stable (2.3.1) killed some of my files opened via SMB
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Eric R Ward wrote: Ben, Ben Kevan wrote: So, I upgraded to openOffice.org 2.3.1 that is in the Stable Build Service and went to open a file that is on a windows file share (using SMB). it opened and wanted to import text. I cilcked Ok and it killed the document. Erased everything in it. I was able to reproduce the issue and reported bug 349867 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=349867) to track the issue. It is fixed in both OpenOffice.org:STABLE and OpenOffice.org:UNSTABLE Build Service projects now. We are very sorry that we put such a serious bug in the STABLE project. -- Best Regards, Petr Mladek software developer - SUSE LINUX, s. r. o.e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 952 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] /boot
Thanks everyone - you have given me a lot of information on this one. Dirk -Original Message- From: Dirk Moolman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2008 04:12 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] /boot A quick question - we are just looking at one of our servers now, discussing space checks what should be checked. In this case I have the following filesystems (on the root disk): Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 5246680 2455876 2790804 47% / tmpfs 402558812 4025576 1% /dev/shm /dev/cciss/c0d0p585624 39156 46468 46% /boot /dev/cciss/c0d0p6 5246680500452 4746228 10% /home /dev/cciss/c0d0p1148787112 38963856 9823256 80% /opt /dev/cciss/c0d0p7 5246680 1360004 3886676 26% /usr /dev/cciss/c0d0p8 2309172413156 1896016 18% /var Question: what happens if /boot gets full (Use% = 100%) How will this affect the server ? Dirk *** Disclaimer *** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee and to others who have the authority to receive it. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized and as such, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. The views expressed in this e-mail are the views of the individual sender and should in no way be construed as the views of the Company. The Company is not liable to ensure that outgoing e-mails are virus-free. The Company is not liable, should information or data, for whatever reason, be corrupted or fail to reach its intended addressee. The Company is not liable for any loss or damage of whatsoever nature and howsoever arising resulting from the opening or the use of the information in this e-mail, including its attachments and links. The sender of this e-mail is subject to and bound by the terms and conditions of Company’s Electronic Communications Usage Policy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Disclaimer *** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee and to others who have the authority to receive it. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorized and as such, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on it is unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. The views expressed in this e-mail are the views of the individual sender and should in no way be construed as the views of the Company. The Company is not liable to ensure that outgoing e-mails are virus-free. The Company is not liable, should information or data, for whatever reason, be corrupted or fail to reach its intended addressee. The Company is not liable for any loss or damage of whatsoever nature and howsoever arising resulting from the opening or the use of the information in this e-mail, including its attachments and links. The sender of this e-mail is subject to and bound by the terms and conditions of Company’s Electronic Communications Usage Policy.
Re: [opensuse] 10.3 how to speed up smtp performance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-07 at 06:36 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote: Aaron Kulkis escribió: Therefore, the way to improve the process of a mail server is to... ...Mount the mail spool with the noatime option .. ;-) Hum! Traditionally, it was to be mounted sync, no less... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHggJltTMYHG2NR9URAjheAJ9FpNn6AkwQtu847wvPRJGwtn8PugCcCGUy oLFhomWWMpEeyGTuhFr6l/E= =+3W5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] howto make usb drive stop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-07 at 09:51 +0100, jdd wrote: My problem is the following: Drives use hudge current intensity and are better connected on an powered USB hub. But when I shut down the computer the drive is still powered by the usb unit and spin all the night, and if I shutdown the power plug, I often forget to power it on when using my laptop and after 2 hours it stops working :-)). If I'm not there it shut down again that's a lap top problem, of course :-) Rather a problem of badly designed usb hub. The hub should detect the pc bus is down (no power) and power down itself, too, or go to standby, remove the voltage from the usb line. The hack for you would be to use a main switch for all appliances, and switch it off, instead of swathing off the bus, the printer, the scanner, etc, etc. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHggZhtTMYHG2NR9URAsIuAKCV24Z2G3RPd+qmlNn1fv2wXCYl8wCfSg5M 16dtic8dQedu0FAmXdyxK2M= =4jLd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: setting up web hosting?
I forgot to tell that I am running openSUSE 10.3 as my OS. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] /boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2008-01-04 at 20:55 +0100, jdd wrote: what is really new for me is than BIOS, with a said standard MBR can boot GRUB on the * primary. The standard, plain, mbr code will boot the partition marked bootable, whatever that one contains: be it windows, lilo, grub, etc. That's the reason that only one partition should be marked bootable. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgghXtTMYHG2NR9URApczAKCJbMCT20rlfTRiMIZ1oOhwqZE4EQCeP9h/ 6WDMLc6M8AbL+o6ELohE/44= =lqUN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] rpm question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2008-01-04 at 14:38 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I get the following to stderr when running rpm -qa error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 808 Header V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID ddaf6454 and error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h# 888 Header V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID ddaf6454 I guess some packages were either signed odd, or something else has gone kaplooey. Any suggestions on (1) how to tell which packages this is for, and (2) how to possibly repair it? Although rpm seems to be working ok, this does not look like something to ignore. You might try --rebuilddb :-? Perhaps --verify. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHggj7tTMYHG2NR9URAko2AKCC4lHkQYZtCTDH2QVhp1guqAm4lACeNhJS H2fxjZxZHMjBhq+5j/HVbYQ= =dCdF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
Why then can't I find the OT mailing list with http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012850459432662882474%3Avwmwkphffy4hl=en ? I subscribed to the OT mailing list a minute ago (found it in the mail) but I didn't know of it's existence and it can't be found easily. On Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM, Mike McMullin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
On Monday 07 January 2008 02:52:10 am jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? I care about OT mails, but not because of me. I can do that locally. I can send them in oblivion, ignore them, read them, but how that will help the one that is not used to zillion mails in his inbox. The other way to make list server sort the properly is a bit too much to ask, because it has to be intelligent enough to understand mail to sort them properly. We are not there, yet. Imagine guy just started to use Linux and still using web mail, or have no idea about threading (it is not obvious, you have to know that is exists, first). He made trough subscription process (which is not common, BTW), posted his problem and now is looking trough not threaded 100 emails + his regular mail, to find one message that is answer to his. It is frustrating. This list is created as help to new users, very unskilled, very frustrated with some other problem that they can't solve, and we as helpfull people don't want to add to their problems. That is the reason to have offtopic list. The subscription to offtopic list, and any other, should not be a problem for regular visitors here. Anybody that can't see a problem with OT is the one has only himself in mind (do we call that egoism), and can't even come on idea that there others not so skilled that deserve help. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] About offtopic posts
That's what I have started doing. Just need to make sure people put [OT] in the subject of course! ;-) On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
Thomas Goettlicher schreef:: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 10:50 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Hello everybody, I have a nice piece of hardware equipped with a ahtlon 4000+ cpu. Everytime i boot my computer the suse updater spends several minutes of cputime. No problem, but I can't do anything during this time. Linux has a NICE priority mechanism, to my opinion the suse updater should run on a low priority. Why isn't it designed this way ? Is there a posibilty to do it myself, for instance with the nice command. Thanks, Hans Hi Hans, you are right, opensuseupdater takes a long time to get the list of updates when a lot of repositories are enabled. There are some related feature request for opensuseupdater: - Opensuseupdater shouldn't check for updates every time you login but on defined intervals - Opensuseupdater should wait until system load is low I will do my best to add these features to the next kde version of opensuseupdater. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) The problem is also Linux. It is difficult to implement priority by the user. So far as I know linux has only 1 default priority and thats 0 for everything. It should have a mechanism to set different default prio's for users, processes and all childs or even for a whole shellprocedure. But linux hasn't it can only set prio for 1 process and after completion you are again on the default prio of 0. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: setting up web hosting?
0verl0ad wrote: I forgot to tell that I am running openSUSE 10.3 as my OS. I'd normally look at ISPconfig (http://www.ispconfig.org/) for this kind of thing. Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kernel panic exit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-07 at 01:05 -0600, M Harris wrote: El 2008-01-07 a las 01:05 -0600, M Harris escribió: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:05:53 -0600 From: M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: OS-en opensuse@opensuse.org To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Kernel panic exit On Saturday 05 January 2008 18:15, Carlos E. R. wrote: If you have the expertise, do so. If not, simply report the Oops or panic to suse people and they can help the reporter get the data needed, and then perhaps they can solve it or report upstream. ok. so, they have first line folks involved to isolate the module and then the kernel developers get involved? That makes reporting bugs easier... I suspect it takes a little longer on the suse side then. When I was doing that work for IBM the second level developers (primary OS developers) would not even get involved until the first level had isolated the correct module... and heaven help them if they isolated the wrong one. :-)) :-) Of course, they would love the user filling the bugzilla with all the info pointing to the culprit module, down to the line of code if possible. But there are all kinds of users: some may be kernel gurus, and some may be first time users, which will need a lot of help to produce the needed info. And if the bugzilla people are too busy, the latter kind will suffer long delays, I guess. And I think they are prety busy. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHghBqtTMYHG2NR9URAo7vAJ4rQMGg501cz96idRaztAesfPb4LACfQ+7E sDBiEciG0kmsptIBLfPw2BI= =dJjR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] howto make usb drive stop
Carlos E. R. a écrit : Rather a problem of badly designed usb hub. The hub should detect the pc bus is down (no power) and power down itself, too, or go to standby, remove the voltage from the usb line. there is absolutely no intelligence in an usb ub :-), and the power is so low (I think 1A / 5V) than even a mechanical switch is not possible The hack for you would be to use a main switch for all appliances, and switch it off, instead of swathing off the bus, the printer, the scanner, etc, etc. it's what I do, but even if I don't switch the appliance on the laptop runs and the ub also, but only for a short time :-) for the desktop computer I use a monitored appliance, but I don't know if this will work for a laptop (power used is much smaller) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Einstein's Plagiarism
On Sunday 06 January 2008 11:36:43 am Aaron Kulkis wrote: cliiip Every automated means of counting votes is an invitation for fraud -- especially the ones with a telephone modem. Yup! I honestly can not believe computers are used for voting. If you're not familiar with the subject, go out and find the book Votescam! It's interesting how the two brothers who wrote the book died of unnatural causes -- one just before the book went into publication, and the other a few years later. Ho ho ho, look who is talking conspiracy theory!!! Ron Paul is your salvation, he speaks the truth about the constitution, the federal reserve, taxation etc, I think he disagrees with electronic voting as well, but you might have a problem because he also speaks the truth about Iraq... -- Dimitris, a Dr. NO follower, come and join the Revolution! clip -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:32 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Thomas Goettlicher schreef:: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 10:50 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Hello everybody, I have a nice piece of hardware equipped with a ahtlon 4000+ cpu. Everytime i boot my computer the suse updater spends several minutes of cputime. No problem, but I can't do anything during this time. Linux has a NICE priority mechanism, to my opinion the suse updater should run on a low priority. Why isn't it designed this way ? Is there a posibilty to do it myself, for instance with the nice command. Thanks, Hans Hi Hans, you are right, opensuseupdater takes a long time to get the list of updates when a lot of repositories are enabled. There are some related feature request for opensuseupdater: - Opensuseupdater shouldn't check for updates every time you login but on defined intervals - Opensuseupdater should wait until system load is low I will do my best to add these features to the next kde version of opensuseupdater. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) The problem is also Linux. It is difficult to implement priority by the user. So far as I know linux has only 1 default priority and thats 0 for everything. It should have a mechanism to set different default prio's for users, processes and all childs or even for a whole shellprocedure. But linux hasn't it can only set prio for 1 process and after completion you are again on the default prio of 0. Hans If you want to change a user's default nice level you can do this by adding pri=nicelevel to the info field in /etc/passwd. Example: tux:x:1000:100:User Tux:/home/tux:/bin/bash = tux:x:1000:100:User Tux,pri=5:/home/tux:/bin/bash As far as I know using the info field isn't very elegant. Perhaps there is a better way. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
Hi! Anyone have any view over the best way to watch for changes in log files to do some analysis? I want to create some small scripts/software to watch for changes in log files (like /var/log/messages or var/log/mai) and register some data in a db and I found to possible approaches: * to use Perl File::Tail to listen on a file and process any text that arrives * to use tail -f and pipe the output to my software And I was thinking what would the performance implications be and the preferred way of doing such analysis. Kind regards, -- Marcin Floryan http://marcin.floryan.pl/ Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil schreef: Why then can't I find the OT mailing list with http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012850459432662882474%3Avwmwkphffy4hl=en ? I subscribed to the OT mailing list a minute ago (found it in the mail) but I didn't know of it's existence and it can't be found easily. On Jan 7, 2008 11:56 AM, Mike McMullin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things. Exactly, noone knows, (knew) about that list existing, before Patrick mentioned the location. I subscribed, but nothing has posted there i guess, cause no mail came in since yesterday. In this list, there should be about hundred minimum in a day... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc6-git7-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 release 30 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHghlPX5/X5X6LpDgRAocTAJwIacDkR8rQ0RXe18lyKPCtxHzLqQCgizuN xbpUx9jgKChUTAK9AzeMUmE= =Rbrq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
There are some related feature request for opensuseupdater: - Opensuseupdater shouldn't check for updates every time you login but on defined intervals - Opensuseupdater should wait until system load is low I will do my best to add these features to the next kde version of opensuseupdater. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) The problem is also Linux. It is difficult to implement priority by the user. So far as I know linux has only 1 default priority and thats 0 for everything. It should have a mechanism to set different default prio's for users, processes and all childs or even for a whole shellprocedure. But linux hasn't it can only set prio for 1 process and after completion you are again on the default prio of 0. Hans If you want to change a user's default nice level you can do this by adding pri=nicelevel to the info field in /etc/passwd. Example: tux:x:1000:100:User Tux:/home/tux:/bin/bash = tux:x:1000:100:User Tux,pri=5:/home/tux:/bin/bash As far as I know using the info field isn't very elegant. Perhaps there is a better way. You could also always renice to a lower priority, both for CPU and for IO priroties (nice and ionice). And there are more than two levels ;) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcin Floryan wrote: Hi! Anyone have any view over the best way to watch for changes in log files to do some analysis? I want to create some small scripts/software to watch for changes in log files (like /var/log/messages or var/log/mai) and register some data in a db and I found to possible approaches: * to use Perl File::Tail to listen on a file and process any text that arrives * to use tail -f and pipe the output to my software And I was thinking what would the performance implications be and the preferred way of doing such analysis. Kind regards, Probably better to send this to the openSuSE programming list than this list. Personal view is that it would be best to use a Perl module if it exists in a script daemon, rather than use a command line call and pipe data to a perl script. Not on performance grounds, but more because one can design the script to handle unusual events and manage processing accordingly (especially if you are backending with a database that in itself may be adding to the logs you are monitoring). But that is a personal preference, others may be more comfortable with the pipe approach. - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHghz7asN0sSnLmgIRAul0AJ9Og5nvnRfLiZW5j7V/XrkpEHe/uwCgsHfF exk2oAyrMwSSCYLOWcBjt4Y= =C/be -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
Hi, On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcin Floryan wrote: Hi! Anyone have any view over the best way to watch for changes in log files to do some analysis? ... * to use Perl File::Tail to listen on a file and process any text that arrives * to use tail -f and pipe the output to my software ... Personal view is that it would be best to use a Perl module if it exists in a script daemon, rather than use a command line call and pipe data to a perl script. Not on performance grounds, but more because one can design the script to handle unusual events and manage processing accordingly (especially if you are backending with a database that in itself may be adding to the logs you are monitoring). I guess, it depends on what one wants to do with the logs. I used tail in a set of tests and found it very flexible and convenient. E.g. I did not want to know exactly in what log file the message I'm looking for should appear. I did something like tail -n 0 -F /var/log/messages /var/log/secure ... | tee some file and captured the result of tee within perl script with expect. So when the message appeared I had the file some file with all log messages up to this moment and was able to grep there or to do anything else I wanted. (-F works even if the log file is not present when you start tail or is logrotated). Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Aaron Kulkis wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: Bob S wrote: Hello SuSE users, While searching for files in /usr/bin I noticed something that seems odd to me. There is a folder in there named X11. It is a link to the same folder. If you open it, it shows the exact same thing as /usr/bin. You can continue opening the X11 directory until you have a /usr/bin//X11/X11/X11/X11 file open on ad-infitum. They all show the exact same files and megabytes. What is this? Can somebody explain the purpose? Bob S Not sure of the reason, but it only impacts on the logical path pwd -L. The physical path (pwd -P) remains as /usr/bin. The impact is to have all X11 binaries appear in /usr/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11. Like many symbolic links, it makes the applications happy even when the underlying structure changes. For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin, since when? there are several programs which have always been in /bin because they are needed in runlevel 0 and run level S, neither of which have /usr mounted, but which are not administrative only, (and thus do NOT reside in /sbin or /usr/sbin). examples being: cp, chown, dd, grep, awk, cat, chmod, chgrp, date, kill, ln, ls, mount, umount, rm, rmdir, sed, stty, tar, shells (sh/ksh/csh/tcsh/bash), false, true, uname, ed, ex, vi And others depending on vendor/distribution. and a bunch of other symbolic links to reflect a change in the structure of the file system hierarchy. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up web hosting?
0verl0ad wrote: In short, if, I want to start a web hosting service on my machine, which will work over my LAN, then what do I need to do? I know nothing about it. webhosting - look at virtual hosts in apache. emailhosting - look at virtual domains in postfix/sendmail/exim et al. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - your spam is our business. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
Marcin Floryan wrote: Anyone have any view over the best way to watch for changes in log files to do some analysis? I would have syslog-ng select and write the lines you want to a named pipe. Then you just run a script reading from stdin and redirect stdin to that pipe. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - your spam is our business. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSe updater/zypper cpu-use-prio
Thomas Goettlicher schreef:: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:32 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Thomas Goettlicher schreef:: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 10:50 +0100, Hans defaber wrote: Hello everybody, I have a nice piece of hardware equipped with a ahtlon 4000+ cpu. Everytime i boot my computer the suse updater spends several minutes of cputime. No problem, but I can't do anything during this time. Linux has a NICE priority mechanism, to my opinion the suse updater should run on a low priority. Why isn't it designed this way ? Is there a posibilty to do it myself, for instance with the nice command. Thanks, Hans Hi Hans, you are right, opensuseupdater takes a long time to get the list of updates when a lot of repositories are enabled. There are some related feature request for opensuseupdater: - Opensuseupdater shouldn't check for updates every time you login but on defined intervals - Opensuseupdater should wait until system load is low I will do my best to add these features to the next kde version of opensuseupdater. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) The problem is also Linux. It is difficult to implement priority by the user. So far as I know linux has only 1 default priority and thats 0 for everything. It should have a mechanism to set different default prio's for users, processes and all childs or even for a whole shellprocedure. But linux hasn't it can only set prio for 1 process and after completion you are again on the default prio of 0. Hans If you want to change a user's default nice level you can do this by adding pri=nicelevel to the info field in /etc/passwd. Example: tux:x:1000:100:User Tux:/home/tux:/bin/bash = tux:x:1000:100:User Tux,pri=5:/home/tux:/bin/bash As far as I know using the info field isn't very elegant. Perhaps there is a better way. Thomas -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) I've learned something, I've a lot of fun . I hope that a future release of suse-updater runs on a lower priority. Thanks, Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd There wouldn't be anything left on this list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Goldstein wrote: Hi, On Jan 7, 2008 2:37 PM, G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcin Floryan wrote: Hi! Anyone have any view over the best way to watch for changes in log files to do some analysis? ... * to use Perl File::Tail to listen on a file and process any text that arrives * to use tail -f and pipe the output to my software ... Personal view is that it would be best to use a Perl module if it exists in a script daemon, rather than use a command line call and pipe data to a perl script. Not on performance grounds, but more because one can design the script to handle unusual events and manage processing accordingly (especially if you are backending with a database that in itself may be adding to the logs you are monitoring). I guess, it depends on what one wants to do with the logs. I used tail in a set of tests and found it very flexible and convenient. E.g. I did not want to know exactly in what log file the snip It always does :-) If one is only filtering this is probably fine, as is the approach of using syslog suggested elsewhere ... but the thing I am picking up here is the perl script is intended to talk to something else as well (a database backend by the look of it). The Perl tail related modules offer a variety of options for performing this, Also without the need to call tail or any piping (e.g. File::Tail::App, Event::File::Tail, IO::Tail and File::Tail::FAM all seem to be possibilities here) Regards, - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgi9GasN0sSnLmgIRArY2AJ0cUhYCyKrWKWCUVa67CjH8V1eyOgCfSKfj qR/LASpXQ8BwAN1M/sJ4UaA= =4fGS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-01-06 at 14:28 +0100, jdd wrote: On Sunday 06 January 2008 04:27:02 am Carlos E. R. wrote: Then, it must be the same type of thing as /boot/boot -- /boot - hey, I no longer have that one :-? you should, I have it on 10.3:-) Curious! I must have deleted it more or less accidentally. Mmmm... should I recreate it? As far as I know, it works fine. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgjHgtTMYHG2NR9URArvOAKCGZ4p2Dadqd+VwbZ/a3r2DB6gmFgCfTzqB evdtjp4d1NkfTn4uX9Eq2cM= =/OwA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
On Jan 7, 2008 3:55 PM, G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Goldstein wrote: Hi, ... I guess, it depends on what one wants to do with the logs. I used tail in a set of tests and found it very flexible and convenient. E.g. I did not want to know exactly in what log file the snip It always does :-) If one is only filtering this is probably fine, as is the approach of using syslog suggested elsewhere ... but the thing I am picking up here is the perl script is intended to talk to something else as well (a database backend by the look of it). The Perl tail related modules offer a variety of options for performing this, Also without the need to call tail or any piping (e.g. File::Tail::App, Event::File::Tail, IO::Tail and File::Tail::FAM all seem to be possibilities here) Sure, I just gave one example where I thought tail was good enough and provided quick solution (not quick and dirty). I have to admit, I did not use File::Tail from pure ignorance and laziness :-). I'll definitely look into it next time I'll need to to something of this sort. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 17:14 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clive Rogers wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. What jokes? Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my and this program is which program, exactly? astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Hmmm. interesting Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Considering that we don't even know what program you're talking about... in short: NO! Come back when you have a better description of what it is you're looking for, like...oh I don't know... a NAME maybe? Ask an incomplete question, get an incomplete answer. I think it's pretty clear he's saying the name of the program is yomama. Or were you making a joke by saying that wasn't the name of the program? -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
On Jan 6, 2008 4:51 PM, Clive Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Did you try looking at the p2p net ... maybe. -- Kind Regards Visitá/Go to http://www.opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-01-06 at 07:52 -0700, Bill Anderson wrote: changes. For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin, and a bunch of other symbolic links to reflect a change in the structure of the file system hierarchy. That's not possible, because often the /usr directory is a separate partition, and this one will not mounted in emergency mode (when the root partition fails the initial fsck). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgkQ2tTMYHG2NR9URAkQ0AKCXtNAe5D9q9EzYU93H3db1KzL98ACfXUsx fwSUmPlnr0E+WXzpnDg8c4I= =87/o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] howto make usb drive stop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-07 at 12:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Carlos E. R. a écrit : Rather a problem of badly designed usb hub. The hub should detect the pc bus is down (no power) and power down itself, too, or go to standby, remove the voltage from the usb line. there is absolutely no intelligence in an usb ub :-), and the power is so low (I think 1A / 5V) than even a mechanical switch is not possible That's no excuse :-p , a transistor or two would do the trick. The hack for you would be to use a main switch for all appliances, and switch it off, instead of swathing off the bus, the printer, the scanner, etc, etc. it's what I do, but even if I don't switch the appliance on the laptop runs and the ub also, but only for a short time :-) for the desktop computer I use a monitored appliance, but I don't know if this will work for a laptop (power used is much smaller) It would be possible to design one. The device only needs to monitor the presence of power in the usb power line coming from the laptop, and 1mA would be enough to trigger the base of a transistor that would in turn power up the device. It could even be designed around an optocoupler/triac to power up the AC side of the device. You just pay an engineer, and he'll do appropriate wonders :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgkgAtTMYHG2NR9URAjMdAJ9ojLNGABbHpZ97MRBEMr3sJYqaMwCfQ9B4 JrmRlkNIurLDRB/BohvOpvk= =ZyJv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
Mark Goldstein pecked at the keyboard and wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 3:55 PM, G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sure, I just gave one example where I thought tail was good enough and provided quick solution (not quick and dirty). I have to admit, I did not use File::Tail from pure ignorance and laziness :-). I'll definitely look into it next time I'll need to to something of this sort. Regards, Not a programmer just an observer: Wouldn't tailf (preferred over tail -f) possibly create a delay in receiving wanted data while waiting for the buffer to actually write data to the file? -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing (repost)
Aaron Kulkis wrote: Bill Anderson wrote: Bob S wrote: Hello SuSE users, While searching for files in /usr/bin I noticed something that seems odd to me. There is a folder in there named X11. It is a link to the same folder. If you open it, it shows the exact same thing as /usr/bin. You can continue opening the X11 directory until you have a /usr/bin//X11/X11/X11/X11 file open on ad-infitum. They all show the exact same files and megabytes. What is this? Can somebody explain the purpose? Bob S Not sure of the reason, but it only impacts on the logical path pwd -L. The physical path (pwd -P) remains as /usr/bin. The impact is to have all X11 binaries appear in /usr/bin instead of /usr/bin/X11. Like many symbolic links, it makes the applications happy even when the underlying structure changes. For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin, since when? there are several programs which have always been in /bin because they are needed in runlevel 0 and run level S, neither of which have /usr mounted, but which are not administrative only, (and thus do NOT reside in /sbin or /usr/sbin). Since the early 1990s, /bin has been a symbolic link to /usr/bin. If you go to runlevel S, you will find that there are a minimal number of utilities in /usr/bin. These are hidden if you have a separate mount for /usr. The intent was for /usr to be a static directory. examples being: cp, chown, dd, grep, awk, cat, chmod, chgrp, date, kill, ln, ls, mount, umount, rm, rmdir, sed, stty, tar, shells (sh/ksh/csh/tcsh/bash), false, true, uname, ed, ex, vi I think you need to get on a Unix box, and check out the actual structure. Linux has never followed this path, and holds to the old Unix structure. I have been working with Unix since 1978, and have been through a number of file structure changes. The point is that symbolic links are used to for backwards compatibility. As a side light, a number of the utilities that you mention are now shell built-ins, which take precedence over the equivalent command. For example, pwd is a built-in that has the -L and -P options for ksh and bash. The /usr/bin command does not have these options, and exists for Bourne shell compatibility. You might also note that under Linux it is /usr/bin/sh, /usr/bin/ksh, and /bin/bash. Most people are not aware that the default behavior for ksh and bash is to show the logical path, so that cd .. behaves as expected. It is the shell that tracks the logical path. The system calls still refer to the physical path, as does /bin/pwd. For those interested in understanding this behavior try cd -P /usr/tmp and then do the pwd command. The shell built-in for cd also support the -P and -L options. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-01-06 at 07:52 -0700, Bill Anderson wrote: changes. For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin, and a bunch of other symbolic links to reflect a change in the structure of the file system hierarchy. That's not possible, because often the /usr directory is a separate partition, and this one will not mounted in emergency mode (when the root partition fails the initial fsck). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Carlos, just take a look at the links on a Unix box. It is the same on AIX, HPUX, or Solaris. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Update...Re: [opensuse] Enigmail header problem in Thunderbird on SuSE...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Sunday 2007-12-30 at 19:40 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: Feel free to file a descriptive bugreport at the Novell bugzilla. What I couldn't find in this thread is if - Mozilla's Thunderbird (non-RPM) with Enigmail doesn't show this issue - the openSUSE RPM with a downloaded Enigmail extension doesn't show this issue I wouldn't expect a difference but you never know ;-) The only thing I know is that I'm using only opensuse rpms, and they have this problem. I haven't tried external sources of thunderbird or enigmail. To trigger it, I only have to use local chars, and this email will not verify with enigmail: áéíóúéUýUñ¿?¡! -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. FYI Latest update of enigmail seems to have fixed this issue. Still getting Content header issue.., but that is more of a cosmetic nuisance... - -- == I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgk1QasN0sSnLmgIRAg2DAKC/z54mQvZpbMOxu2o90jr1PfWNfwCfUtVd dynhO/+AymqqsOGKEWLJeDc= =80T7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] logsanalysis: (tail -f) vs (perl File::Tail)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-07 at 16:12 +0200, Mark Goldstein wrote: Sure, I just gave one example where I thought tail was good enough and provided quick solution (not quick and dirty). I have to admit, I did not use File::Tail from pure ignorance and laziness :-). I'll definitely look into it next time I'll need to to something of this sort. If you go the tail -f way, then you'd better use tailf instead. Its a different program that doesn't cause unnecesary disk activity. DESCRIPTION tailf will print out the last 10 lines of a file and then wait for the file to grow. It is similar to tail -f but does not access the file when it is not growing. This has the side effect of not updating the access time for the file, so a filesystem flush does not occur periodically when no log activity is happening. tailf is extremely useful for monitoring log files on a laptop when logging is infrequent and the user desires that the hard disk spin down to conserve battery life. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgkZjtTMYHG2NR9URAsrvAJ0Sv2cUijoQVbb7p4mbij4W9MNL7ACgik+A s5uV9JrETNOBODlMGG2nTS4= =UJsx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
On Sunday 06 January 2008 10:20, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Backward compatiblity. Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services ... That's an answer straight out of opensuse core services? Scary. Why is this scary? There must be a zillion old scripts out there that use /usr/bin/X11 to invoke binaries related to X11. Not having this link would break them, and the link doesn't cost much, so why break those scripts if there is a simple way to avoid that? CU -- Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Penguin by conviction. YaST2 Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] imapd[15270]: PAM audit_log_acct_message() failed: Operation not permitted ??
Listmates, Fresh 10.3 server install with uw imap. I am trying to track down the following error message in /var/log/messages: Jan 7 10:24:09 bonza imapd[15270]: PAM audit_log_acct_message() failed: Operation not permitted This messages seems to occur when users attempt to connect to their mail accounts. It specifically occurs when anyone attempts to connect from squirrellmail. What does this error mean and how can I fix it?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Suse on a G5
Hi, I've been offered a Mac G5 Pro at a low price, it's quite high spec but PPC based. I'm quite tempted to buy as it's a lot quicker than my current PC. I've never run Suse on anything other than Intel/AMD hardware, is there anything that should warn me off such a venture, will I struggle with software availability for example? I use JackLab for example but note that it's Intel only. Is dual booting between MacOS 10.5 Suse as straight forward as the usual MS/Suse affair? Or would it make more sense to use it purely as a Mac? Advice would be welcome. Regards Matthew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
On Sunday 06 January 2008 15:52, Bill Anderson wrote: For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin I admit it's been a while (~1999) since I last used a Unix (not Linux) machine, but back in the time when I did every single kind of Unix I knew had /bin and /usr/bin in separate places. /bin (essential commands and at least one shell) is required to be on the root file system, while /usr/bin (most other commands) might be on another file system. Having /bin as a symlink pointing to /usr/bin would defeat this strategy; you could no longer have /usr on a separate file system / partition. Booting up the system would fail because boot scripts would not be able to use /bin/sh, for example. This just raised my curiosity. Can somebody who actually has access to a Solaris or AIX or HP-UX machine please shed some light on this? Are the major Unix vendors really forcing /usr to be on the root file system? For Linux, see also the File System Hierarchy (FHS) standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html CU -- Stefan Hundhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Penguin by conviction. YaST2 Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Konqueror and Flash
On my 10.3 systems, I'm noticing Konqueror tends to crash when a flash site comes up. Looking it up I found the bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=348088 Any idea on when this is going to be fixed? Oh, and is there going to be any openSUSE/Novell representation at SCALE this year? I didn't see any? http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale6x/?a=scale6x I do see a lot of Ubuntu peeps there. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing wink to capture streaming video
* Philippe Landau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20080107 06:47]: http://software.opensuse.org/search?p=1baseproject=ALLq=wink Which package precisely are you trying to install? I only get the .src.rpm listed which is probably not what you want. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Konqueror and Flash
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 09:04:17AM -0800, PerfectReign wrote: On my 10.3 systems, I'm noticing Konqueror tends to crash when a flash site comes up. Looking it up I found the bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=348088 Any idea on when this is going to be fixed? The 10.x-test repos have kdelibs3 and kdebase3 updates for testing since today, but while it no longer crashes, it still has problems with the new Flash Player. We are working on getting better fixes, but since Adobe sprung this on us (or the KDE team) without information, we cannot really say when it will be as stable as before. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] opensuse documentation
Hello: I would like to have locally documents that can be found at the opensuse site. Documents like this: http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Repositories Is a downloadable version of these documents available for local browsing? I tried to mirror the site using wget but the transfer always stops. TIA, IG AKCIÓS ÁRAK! Országos házhozszállítás! AEG-ELECTROLUX-ZANUSSI gépek raktárról azonnal a markabolt.hu-tól http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,239723,284071/click.prm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing (repost)
On Monday 07 January 2008 16:54:54 Bill Anderson wrote: I think you need to get on a Unix box, and check out the actual structure. Linux has never followed this path, and holds to the old Unix structure. I have been working with Unix since 1978, and have been through a number of file structure changes. The point is that symbolic links are used to for backwards compatibility. As a side light, a number of the utilities that you mention are now shell built-ins, which take precedence over the equivalent command. For example, pwd is a built-in that has the -L and -P options for ksh and bash. The /usr/bin command does not have these options, and exists for Bourne shell compatibility. You might also note that under Linux it is /usr/bin/sh, /usr/bin/ksh, and /bin/bash. It's worth noting that the filesystem is ruled by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.pdf According to it, /bin must be functioning when no partitions other than / are mounted, and thus can't be a symlink Also, it mandates /bin/sh, even though it might be a symlink to another shell, in most cases that is /bin/bash There is also /usr/bin/sh but that is secondary The same is true for ksh, it is also /bin/ksh as well as /usr/bin/ksh, although both are symlinks to /lib/ast/bin/ksh, which is fine since /lib is also mandatory on the / partition For some unknown reason /bin/csh may be a symlink to /usr/bin/tcsh, so if you're on a distribution that keeps tcsh in /usr you should perhaps not use csh as the root shell, in case you have to do any emergency repairs without filesystems mounted (in SuSE it is in /bin) Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.0 has reached End of Life
Marcus Meissner wrote: Hi, With the release of an nmap bugfix on December 20 we have released the last update for SUSE Linux 10.0. It is now officially discontinued and out of support. SUSE Linux 10.0 was released begin of October 2005. Some statistics on the released patches: Total: 666 (311 active)(+12) Security: 529 (223 active)(+31) Recommended:124 ( 79 active)(+16) Optional:13 ( 9 active)(-35) Top issues (compared to 9.3 for some issues): 17 clamav (0) 12 opera(0) 12 MozillaFirefox (-1) 12 apache2-mod_php4 (-3) 12 php5 (0) 9 kernel (-1) 8 xorg-x11-server (+2) 8 squirrelmail (-1) 8 phpMyAdmin (0) 8 MozillaThunderbird (+1) 8 ImageMagick (+1) 8 ethereal (-1) 7 openssl (new) 7 OpenOffice_org (+1) 7 java-1_5_0-sun (+2) 7 cups (new) 6 xine-lib (-1) 6 samba(new) 6 qt3 (new) 6 openssh 6 mozilla 6 java-1_4_2-sun (+1) 6 horde 6 gpg 5 xpdf 5 timezone 5 ruby 5 release-notes 5 poppler 5 mediawiki 5 libextractor 5 krb5 5 kdegraphics3-pdf 5 gpg2 5 bind 5 beagle 5 apache2 ... 4 or less occurences ... Ciao, Marcus Thanks to this wonderfull team!!! André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Stefan Hundhammer wrote: On Sunday 06 January 2008 15:52, Bill Anderson wrote: For those of us who use UNIX, we are used to /bin being a symbolic link to /usr/bin I admit it's been a while (~1999) since I last used a Unix (not Linux) machine, but back in the time when I did every single kind of Unix I knew had /bin and /usr/bin in separate places. /bin (essential commands and at least one shell) is required to be on the root file system, while /usr/bin (most other commands) might be on another file system. Having /bin as a symlink pointing to /usr/bin would defeat this strategy; you could no longer have /usr on a separate file system / partition. Booting up the system would fail because boot scripts would not be able to use /bin/sh, for example. This just raised my curiosity. Can somebody who actually has access to a Solaris or AIX or HP-UX machine please shed some light on this? Are the major Unix vendors really forcing /usr to be on the root file system? For Linux, see also the File System Hierarchy (FHS) standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html CU I work with Solaris and AIX on a regular basis, and /bin is a symbolic link to /usr/sbin. It was changed long before 1999. Most users fail to notice the difference, since ksh displays the logic path and not the physical path. For those interested, this was a hot topic of discussion back in the 80's. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Clive Rogers wrote:- Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Try here: URL:http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~goldberg/ Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02| openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Kontact current version?
Using 10.3 and Kontact. The about kontact says version 1.2.4. I search for kontact on bejiweber and see kde4-kontact. What is the latest version of kontact on kde3? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Registering a NFS server and shares withg SLP
I am trying to work with SLP to enable hosts to discover services on my network. I got it to announce media for SLES instalation as per documentation on Novells Cool Solution pages. But i cant fins any answers on how to register my NFS shares on the same server. My googling hasnt gotten me any smarter either. Anyone has SLP running and can give me some pointers? -- /Rikard - email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.rikjoh.com mob:: +46 (0)763 19 76 25 Public PGP fingerprint 15 28 DF 78 67 98 B2 16 1F D3 FD C5 59 D4 B6 78 46 1C EE 56 pgpPRMeBNxvjI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing (repost)
Anders Johansson wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 16:54:54 Bill Anderson wrote: I think you need to get on a Unix box, and check out the actual structure. Linux has never followed this path, and holds to the old Unix structure. I have been working with Unix since 1978, and have been through a number of file structure changes. The point is that symbolic links are used to for backwards compatibility. As a side light, a number of the utilities that you mention are now shell built-ins, which take precedence over the equivalent command. For example, pwd is a built-in that has the -L and -P options for ksh and bash. The /usr/bin command does not have these options, and exists for Bourne shell compatibility. You might also note that under Linux it is /usr/bin/sh, /usr/bin/ksh, and /bin/bash. It's worth noting that the filesystem is ruled by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.pdf According to it, /bin must be functioning when no partitions other than / are mounted, and thus can't be a symlink Also, it mandates /bin/sh, even though it might be a symlink to another shell, in most cases that is /bin/bash There is also /usr/bin/sh but that is secondary The same is true for ksh, it is also /bin/ksh as well as /usr/bin/ksh, although both are symlinks to /lib/ast/bin/ksh, which is fine since /lib is also mandatory on the / partition For some unknown reason /bin/csh may be a symlink to /usr/bin/tcsh, so if you're on a distribution that keeps tcsh in /usr you should perhaps not use csh as the root shell, in case you have to do any emergency repairs without filesystems mounted (in SuSE it is in /bin) Anders The FHS document applies to Linux, not to Unix. The symbolic link of /bin to /usr/bin only exits in current Unix file system hierarchies. I just checked an AIX 5.3 system and a Solaris 10 system, both have this symbolic link. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kontact current version?
On Monday 07 Jan 2008, Chris Arnold wrote: Using 10.3 and Kontact. The about kontact says version 1.2.4. I search for kontact on bejiweber and see kde4-kontact. What is the latest version of kontact on kde3? I have Version 1.2.4 (enterprise 20070904.708012) on the Help/About/Kontact Container. regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Einstein's Plagiarism
On Sun January 6 2008, Hans Witvliet scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:12 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: James Knott wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: so by this latest evidence, the 9-11 plot goes all the way back to the Roaring `20's, before the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression. Both of which were Dubya's fault! ;-) It's amazing how much power he had before he was even born! Probably, because he's also known as Voldermort ;-) So, How many of you are voting for Hillary? ;) -- j I'm out of my mind - but feel free to leave a message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts.
On Sun January 6 2008, Rajko M. scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: On Sunday 06 January 2008 10:14:50 am M9. wrote: Patrick Shanahan schreef: Yes, you must be still affected by Saturday night activities now to make the previous statement. And the post was *not* about you in particular, but feel guilty if you must. ??? Can we continue on offtopic list. S, we don't want these guys to know there ARE folks subscribed to it... Henne, Shugah! !!! Wanna move this subject over there now ? Or, are you waiting for a huge uproar from a country which will remain nameless... for the present. ;) ;) -- j I'm out of my mind - but feel free to leave a message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Montag, 7. Januar 2008 Stefan Hundhammer: On Sunday 06 January 2008 10:20, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Backward compatiblity. Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services ... That's an answer straight out of opensuse core services? Scary. Why is this scary? What Cristian gave as an answer to Bob's question was impolitely stinted and arrogant. So what? There's cowboys everywhere. Only why did he bother in the first place? Coming from a guy with a opensuse signature it starts to get scary. I work for the city of Munich where there is currently a huge OS rollover going on. 15.000+ clients leaving abominably old MS product behind and going LiMux. Main contractor is Novell. I'm not entirely sure that we will want to see attitudes like Cristian's move up the ladder and end up in support one day. So I'm pointing fingers. Thinking it's the small things that add up :) Yes, I'll take the blame. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 16:06 -0400, Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook You could resign ... :( Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:53 +0100, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Montag, 7. Januar 2008 Stefan Hundhammer: On Sunday 06 January 2008 10:20, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Backward compatiblity. Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services ... That's an answer straight out of opensuse core services? Scary. Why is this scary? What Cristian gave as an answer to Bob's question was impolitely stinted and arrogant. So what? There's cowboys everywhere. Only why did he bother in the first place? It didn't seem impolite to me but then I'm an Anglo-Saxon :) It was just short and to the point. Coming from a guy with a opensuse signature it starts to get scary. I work for the city of Munich where there is currently a huge OS rollover going on. 15.000+ clients leaving abominably old MS product behind and going LiMux. Main contractor is Novell. I have huge admiration for Műnchen's decision. Keep it up. I hope Novell do recognize the importance and give you full support. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Mac software on OpenSUSE 10.3?
Hi all, my son has an Apple Mac. Others in the family have OpenSUSE 10.3 Lots of software is prepared for Mac, like the Encyclopaedia Britannica I purchased last year. If it runs on a Mac, which is OS-X (Darwin), can it be made to run on OpenSUSE too?? :-) Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Wolfgang Woehl escribió: What Cristian gave as an answer to Bob's question was impolitely stinted and arrogant. So what? doh, my answer was very short and concise, nothing else.. Coming from a guy with a opensuse signature it starts to get scary. huh ? looks like you are overeacting.. I work for the city of Munich that's far away from here were I am.. hrmm.. about 33hrs by plane. ;) I'm not entirely sure that we will want to see attitudes like Cristian's move up the ladder and end up in support one day. That will not happend, as I dont work in tech support but in development. -- The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. - Albert Einstein Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research Development http://www.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
-Original Message- From: Dave Howorth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:08 PM Cc: SuSE Linux Subject: Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 16:06 -0400, Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook You could resign ... :( ~~~ There is a way to do it, but you need to provide more details on how the Evolution connects to the mail server, imap or pop, and provide any other details. ~James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
Alfredo Cedeño Borges pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Tell her yes but that it also converts all of the virii contained in them and will infect her PC. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Montag, 7. Januar 2008 Stefan Hundhammer: On Sunday 06 January 2008 10:20, Wolfgang Woehl wrote: Backward compatiblity. Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services ... That's an answer straight out of opensuse core services? Scary. Why is this scary? What Cristian gave as an answer to Bob's question was impolitely stinted and arrogant. So what? There's cowboys everywhere. Only why did he bother in the first place? I think you're being very harsh on Cristian. He posted an answer that was accurate and correct. That doesn't make him a cowboy, by any stretch of the imagination. Some people don't have the time to read a wikipedia of information on computing history to understand why something works the way it does. He explained it, I moved on. Where's the problem? Coming from a guy with a opensuse signature it starts to get scary. I work for the city of Munich where there is currently a huge OS rollover going on. 15.000+ clients leaving abominably old MS product behind and going LiMux. Main contractor is Novell. Oh grow up, it's not scary. Scary isn't a short answer on a mailing list, scary is when your Win2K servers crash after an update that's been pushed from Redmond that you don't actually know about. I'm not entirely sure that we will want to see attitudes like Cristian's move up the ladder and end up in support one day. So I'm pointing fingers. Thinking it's the small things that add up :) Yes, I'll take the blame. Wolfgang I propose Cristian gets a pay rise and a promotion! He answered a complex question with a concise answer in a short period of time. I read it and moved on to something more worrying, since I now know it's not an issue. Thank you Cristian, you've made this issue clear. I'll work on something that's actually important, rather than staring at my navel and working on getting fat off the state teat. Best wishes to you and the suse oss developers for 2008, and thanks for a great 10.3 - it's a very, very nice release :) Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Montag, 7. Januar 2008 Cristian Rodríguez: Wolfgang Woehl escribió: Coming from a guy with a opensuse signature it starts to get scary. huh ? looks like you are overeacting.. Yes, you may be right. But I'll be watching you :) Be good, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... -- Kind Regards, Ritchie Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] Konqueror and Flash
On Mon, January 7, 2008 12:36 pm, ianseeks wrote: On Monday 07 Jan 2008, PerfectReign wrote: On my 10.3 systems, I'm noticing Konqueror tends to crash when a flash site comes up. I've had to use Firefox until Konq works again, it works fine. Oh, it isn't a big deal. I just notice it, because I use Konqueror as my primary browser. Of course, for any site where I want to actually DO something, I right-click and say, view in Firefox. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Montag, 7. Januar 2008 Sloan: Would that more official answers were so pithy. Lost dude:I'm lost. Where am I? Cowboy dude: . Lost dude:Where should I go now? Cowboy dude: .. Right, that should help. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] odd /usr/bin thing
Wolfgang Woehl wrote: What Cristian gave as an answer to Bob's question was impolitely stinted and arrogant. So what? There's cowboys everywhere. Only why did he bother in the first place? The person asking the original question wasn't down and asking for support, it was simply a matter of curiosity. I thought the answer was succinct, went right to the heart of the matter, and summed up everything *I* would have needed to know, quite nicely. Would that more official answers were so pithy. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
Joe Sloan wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clive Rogers wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. What jokes? Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my and this program is which program, exactly? I think he's saying yomamma is the name of the prog... To quote Donald Sutherland's character in The Dirty Dozen: ...Never heard of it And I've always selected EVERY astronomy package available when installing the many versions of SuSE Professional that I've used over the last 8 or so years. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
On Monday 07 January 2008 06:37:23 Aaron Kulkis wrote: Joe Sloan wrote: Aaron Kulkis wrote: Clive Rogers wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. What jokes? Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my and this program is which program, exactly? I think he's saying yomamma is the name of the prog... To quote Donald Sutherland's character in The Dirty Dozen: ...Never heard of it And I've always selected EVERY astronomy package available when installing the many versions of SuSE Professional that I've used over the last 8 or so years. There were links to this program from Yale University in SuSE 6.3 but not in later versions upto 10.3 which I now use. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
Hi Gabriel, On Monday 07 January 2008 14:49:44 Gabriel . wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 4:51 PM, Clive Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Did you try looking at the p2p net ... maybe. Yes I have tried both Amule and Ktorrent but nothing. Every search using Google also turned up nothing which is why I wrote to the list. Thanks anyway. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
Hi David, On Monday 07 January 2008 18:25:37 David Bolt wrote: On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Clive Rogers wrote:- Hello All, No jokes please as I find them offensive. Back in SuSE 6.3 I used to use this program for my astronomy images. I can not find a source for it even Googling turns up pages that no longer exist. Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Try here: URL:http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~goldberg/ Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02| openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 Thank you that is the very program I was looking for. -- Kindest regards, Clive http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
Ritchie Fraser wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YoMama
On Sunday 06 January 2008 19:51, Clive Rogers wrote: Does anyone know of a source for this program from Yale Uni ? Have you tried this link i found via google? http://www.digilife.be/aeg/software/YMv1_4.zip Frank -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Ritchie Fraser wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail? It won't which is why Richie said to use firebird. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
Ken Schneider wrote: James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Ritchie Fraser wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail? It won't which is why Richie said to use firebird. Well, there's Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird. I don't see any Mozilla Firebird. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] can't get update sources...
Well, it has a list, but keeps saying there is a missing database, and crashes.. it does this no matter what sources one selects... this is w/ Yast2 of course.. No nice error messages , sorry Marcus, it isn't giving any.. or at least anything that doesn't flash by too quick for a speed reader to catch... It's a new install, w/ only the old /home left ( I didn't feel like backing up 85 gigs of stuff. So sue me;-) ) -- j I'm out of my mind - but feel free to leave a message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Ken Schneider wrote: James Knott pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Ritchie Fraser wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... Firefox is a browser, why would it import/export mail? It won't which is why Richie said to use firebird. Well, there's Firefox, Thunderbird and Sunbird. I don't see any Mozilla Firebird. DUH, as I hit myself on the head. He probably meant Thunderbird not firebird. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] can't get update sources...
On Mon January 7 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Well, it has a list, but keeps saying there is a missing database, and crashes.. it does this no matter what sources one selects... this is w/ Yast2 of course.. No nice error messages , sorry Marcus, it isn't giving any.. or at least anything that doesn't flash by too quick for a speed reader to catch... It's a new install, w/ only the old /home left ( I didn't feel like backing up 85 gigs of stuff. So sue me;-) ) caught something about slq error and something else about not in installation record.. uhm, this is a new install... what gives , I can't add ANY .. tried doing the config updates routine , no joy... this is beginning to be insanity machen ! -- j I'm out of my mind - but feel free to leave a message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Mac software on OpenSUSE 10.3?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it runs on a Mac, which is OS-X (Darwin), can it be made to run on OpenSUSE too?? No. At least, I've never seen such thing. -- Renan Birck ~ Canoas, RS, Brasil Quando tudo que você tem é um martelo, todos os seus problemas se parecem com os seus dedões. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
DUH, as I hit myself on the head. He probably meant Thunderbird not firebird. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 Thanks Ken, Thats exactly what I meant ;-) (Doh for me AGAIN!) -- Kind Regards, Ritchie Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [opensuse] can't get update sources...
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:29:23PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon January 7 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Well, it has a list, but keeps saying there is a missing database, and crashes.. it does this no matter what sources one selects... this is w/ Yast2 of course.. No nice error messages , sorry Marcus, it isn't giving any.. or at least anything that doesn't flash by too quick for a speed reader to catch... It's a new install, w/ only the old /home left ( I didn't feel like backing up 85 gigs of stuff. So sue me;-) ) caught something about slq error and something else about not in installation record.. uhm, this is a new install... what gives , I can't add ANY .. tried doing the config updates routine , no joy... this is beginning to be insanity machen ! rm /var/cache/zypp/zypp.db and then try running zypper/ yast again. ciao, marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] [OT] windows scam
For those dual booting, or otherwise running Windows, I got this message on my Linux (only) machine: [18:25:52] Update ®: WINDOWS REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION = ATTENTION ! Security Center has detected malware on your computer ! Affected Software: Microsoft Windows NT Workstation Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Microsoft Windows 2000 Microsoft Windows XP Microsoft Windows Win98 Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Impact of Vulnerability: Remote Code Execution / Virus Infection / Unexpected shutdowns Recommendation: Users running vulnerable version should install a repair utility immediately Your system IS affected, download the patch from the address below ! Failure to do so may result in severe computer malfunction. http://www.updatew.org/?q=scan I wouldn't dare run this on this Linux machine, nor especially on my Windows machine. (It would be interesting to see what it would make of SuSE, but I don't think I'm going to find out!) --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Migrate data from Evolution to M$ Outlook
;) On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:56 +, Ritchie Fraser wrote: On Monday 07 January 2008 20:06:34 Alfredo Cedeño Borges wrote: Hi, My boss ask me if is there a way to migrate her emails from Evolution data to M$ outlook Alfredo. Hi Alfredo I read somewhere that if you install Mozilla Firebird (windows version), it will import your emails and store them in the an open format that can then be imported into your preferred e-Mail client... Unfortunately I cant remember where I read it, but google is your friend... Search for linux import outlook email... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] About offtopic posts
On Monday 07 January 2008 05:56, Mike McMullin wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 09:52 +0100, jdd wrote: Besides, the subject says OT, so a reasonably decent filter should flush any OT message for those who detest OT posts. After they get dl'ed from the host, and some people getting the list are on dial up where time is money, so it's also being considerate to keep the OT chatter to a minimum. couldn't [OT] subject be filtered out to OT list?? jdd They should actually get put there as the intent of the OT list was a place to put OT things. I would love to see a show of hands (here) as to how many read the OT list. I certainly don't, and I would bet that 95% of the rest of you don't either. --doug Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
