Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Basil Chupin]

jdd wrote:

Basil Chupin a écrit :


Then you are not 'playing the game', are you?



yes, he do


How?



"But i didnt burn to cd and try that way".

The whole idea of making an ISO file available for the plebs to 
download IS to have them download it and normally burn it to a CD! :-)


virtual bos and vmware can moiunt an iso image as a cd/dvd, so ite's 
identical.


Why don't you ask how many of the people in this forum are using 
"virtual bos" (whatever that it is) and "vmware"?


In any case, the KDE4 LIVE iso was not made available with the proviso 
that it be used by people using "virtual bos" or "vmware".



the only difference is than there is no burning error...


Ce?



the problem so may come from a defective write


When each write (using kb3) is 'told' to verify the write and no errors 
are reported then it is logical to assume that the source file is 
stuffed, no?



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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 01:46:44 am jdd wrote:
> Basil Chupin a écrit :
> > Then you are not 'playing the game', are you?
>
> yes, he does
>
> > "But i didnt burn to cd and try that way".
> >
> > The whole idea of making an ISO file available for the plebs to download
> > IS to have them download it and normally burn it to a CD! :-)

Yes if there is no other option, and there is. 
I ran many iso files in VirtualBox, installed on virtual hard disk drive, and 
run installed system from there, and many more that are used in QEMU. 
The second virtual machine (VM), QEMU, doesn't require creation of virtual 
hard disk for LiveCD type of iso files. 

> virtual bos and vmware can moiunt an iso image as a cd/dvd, so ite's
> identical.
>
> the only difference is than there is no burning error...

And there is always the same (virtual) hardware visible to OS. 

> the problem so may come from a defective write

That is one option. 

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Clayton]

> > Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
> > it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
> > in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
> > kill it once and for all?
>
> Usually this indicates you have a problematic file (usually its broken
> or corrupt) that causes the index helper to go into a loop while
> indexing.
>
> See http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU for instructions on
> how to report such a bug.

A bit late to the discussion here...  I also have to kill Beagle every
time I do an install.  I tried it again with the 10.3 install I did
this weekend.  It sucked up so much of my system resources that I
could barely do anything else... this is on a *clean* default install
(not an upgrade) on an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ with 2Gb of RAM, a /home
with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.
 My CPU.. both cores.. were running about 99%.  RAM was full, and swap
was filling up as well.  The whole computer was grinding to a halt.
When I finally managed top open a terminal and run top... Beagle was
there consuming 100% of everything it could.  I left Beagle run for a
while... an afternoon... and it never changed.  Kept my CPU nice and
toasty warm though.  In the end I sopped the daemon, and removed every
trace of Beagle I could find.  The result... the computer is back to
normal.  The 10.3 install is noticeably faster than the previous 10.2
install (also without Beagle) and I'm happy.. .although a bit
puzzled how it is that anyone finds Beagle useable.

As a contrast, I can install the Google Desktop indexer (on the dual
core system), and I never notice it is there.  It indexes roughly the
same scope of data (I think).  It never runs so that I am aware it's
indexing.  My other apps carry on with no noticeable impact on
performance.

I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
noticeable impact on performance... how?  I've struggled with Beagle
since it first appeared on the openSUSE scene.  I have seen it's
appalling impact on performance over several installs on several
different hardware configurations.  Not once have I seen it "work" in
any measure that could be considered good.

I will continue to try it out with each new install I do, but... i
don't hold out a lot of hope.  I've kind of lumped it  in with zmd...
another app that is on my search and destroy list for a new install.
Once those two apps are gone from a default install the computer works
great with openSUSE.

C
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Marcus Meissner]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 08:01:33AM +0100, jdd wrote:
> Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :
> >jdd escribió:
> >>so making a light version would be
> >>a no work process. 
> >
> >A "no work process" are you serious ? mantaining an LTS version pretty 
> >much involves hiring/creating a whole new team, mantaining and stable 
> >system running old software is a hell lot of work.
> >
> >what makes you think it would be a piece of cake ?
> >
> it would be a no work process only for Novell who already do the job. 

It would be less money earned for us.

> I should only be a script to login with reduced rights on one SLES system
> 
> one say it can be done by each one (and it's like this that many 
> people do), this show it's not so hard... for real IT professional, 
> what I'm not :-(
> 
> As I see it, Novell should compare a professional install versus a 
> personal one. Flag where the SLES price is spent (why is SLED so 
> expensive versus SLED) and see if they can make a personal (SLEDP - P 
> for "Personal") version much cheaper with little cost.
> 
> But as I said, one can look at the already working LTS of the 
> competitor and see if the bussines model is viable, I don't *require* 
> anything.

You compare a publically held company to a billionaire with money burning
in his pocket?

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Clayton]

> definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
> Beagle.

How do you figure that?

Maybe once Beagle works a bit better it should be in the default
install, but right now... given its horrible performance (for a large
number of people), I would say Beagle should not be in the default
install... at all.  Optional... sure... but default?

When I am doing phone support for a new user... and I do a fair bit of
remote install guidance with openSUSE I get the novice user to do
a default install... that includes Beagle.  In every single case, I
have been called back with the question, "why is this Linux so slow?"
In every single case, I've instructed them to remove Beagle and the
problem was solved.  In fact now (in the last couple of months) for
those novice installs, I simply tell them to remove Beagle right at
the start to save me the phone call later complaining about the
computer performance.

So, this is not just one particular hardware config that is
problematic.  This is over many systems... AMD and Intel CPUs... RAM
from 510MB up to 4Gb many different motherboard brands... some
systems with only high speed SATA drives, others with older IDE
drives.  I have yet to see any common and obvious factor between all
these computers and Beagle's performance... or lack thereof.

C.
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Jonathan Ervine]

On Monday 14 January 2008 15:01:33 jdd wrote:
> Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :
> > jdd escribió:
> >> so making a light version would be
> >> a no work process.
> >
> > A "no work process" are you serious ? mantaining an LTS version
> > pretty much involves hiring/creating a whole new team, mantaining
> > and stable system running old software is a hell lot of work.
> >
> > what makes you think it would be a piece of cake ?
>
> it would be a no work process only for Novell who already do the job.
> I should only be a script to login with reduced rights on one SLES
> system

In your opinion. Say there's a problem with the package that is released 
for openSUSE LTS, this then needs to be assigned to the engineering 
teams, who are already assigned to SLE and openSUSE thereby diluting 
the effort that can be spent here. Hint: Novell make money from SLE. 
The amounts that people have suggested for a 'license' for openSUSE LTS 
is not economically viable. And, how many releases of openSUSE would 
you want to be labelled as LTS? Every one? This would mean 'the 
openSUSE community' would have to keep supporting all the packages 
within all these releases. Not a viable proposition. The other 
suggestion of a limited number of packages that is maintained is 
equally no-go. What if an update to a 'supported' package breaks a 
non-supported package? The amount of work you're suggesting for the 
monetary return is just not possible.

> one say it can be done by each one (and it's like this that many
> people do), this show it's not so hard... for real IT professional,
> what I'm not :-(

What you call 'not hard to do' actually requires a lot of work and time 
from the developers and engineers involved - not to mention the 
infrastructure costs that would be increased due to the increased 
amount of supported packages. As you say, you're not an IT 
professional, so maybe not best placed to judge this?

> As I see it, Novell should compare a professional install versus a
> personal one. Flag where the SLES price is spent (why is SLED so
> expensive versus SLED) and see if they can make a personal (SLEDP - P
> for "Personal") version much cheaper with little cost.

I think you're asking why is SLES more expensive than SLED? I guess 
that's the nature of the pricing of servers in the market place. The 
cost of SLED is pretty low already, so I can't see the benefit of 
producing a lower cost version for personal use - that really would 
cannibalise SLED sales.

> But as I said, one can look at the already working LTS of the
> competitor and see if the bussines model is viable, I don't *require*
> anything.

And just how much profit is this 'competitor' making? Answers on a post 
card please... It's all very easy to talk a good game when you're 
backed by a billionaire who can afford to make losses whilst building a 
brand. Novell can't do that - the SUSE brand already exists and 
cannibalising it makes no economic sense.

Currently SLES is released for those who require the peace of mind of 
long term support and stability whilst openSUSE is available for more 
leading edge applications and to see where SLES will be heading. A SLES 
license isn't all that expensive in the grand scheme of things - if it 
seems that is, then you're not putting a high enough price on your data 
or infrastructure.

Jon

PS In case it's not already clear - these all are my own personal 
opinions, and in no way represent that of my employer.
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Re: [opensuse] Problems with KDE-4.0

[Rajko M.]

On Sunday 13 January 2008 11:49:01 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

> > This is first release in KDE4 series and it is created just as any
> > before, under common opensource development idea to release software
> > often. In the opensource world there is no test lab, and there is no
> > finished product idea as functionality is added on the go, not by
> > customer or marketing department specifications.
> >  
>
> So, according to this, 'CHAOS' reigns - "and all is well with the world".
>
> > What confused many, including me, is the version addon like Beta, than RC
> > that I deciphered in the same way as openSUSE Beta or RC. I have
> > forgotten that open source has no common standards for version numbering,
> > that will associate certain features and code quality to the number.
> >  
>
> Perhaps, then, it is time that some "method in the madness" be
> introduced for the benefit of the 'common good - ie, the 'punters who
> use the software' - no?

I was talking about open source software, but does punter that use software 
compare version of Adobe Photoshop vs. CorelDraw? No one sane requires that 
even two products from the same house have no common numbers. Simply, you 
can't describe 2 sets of features with single number and tell that it has any 
meaning. 

> > For instance k3b in openSUSE 10.3 is now version 1.03 and it is fine
> > software for a long time before it was 1.0.
> > Smart is 0.51 and already works fine.
>
> Ahem. smart, which I have installed in 10.3, is 0.52-5.1.

~> cat /etc/SuSE-release
openSUSE 10.3 (i586)
VERSION = 10.3

~> smart --version
smart 0.51

This tells me what is part of your problem. You install software from 
different sources and expect that all will play well togeather. 
Forget that. 
I doesn't work well all the time. 
That is the main reason why SUSE (and any other distro), since ever, creates 
releases. They spend time balancing requirements of software packages and 
when all works well, they say this a release. 

> And I agree, it does work very well - much, much better than the zypper
> in 10.3 which I used for some time before realising that it was, once
> again, a dud. smart advises me that there are upgrades while zypper/YaST
> remains totally, and absolutely, dumb.
>
> And zypper/YaST were installed - and used for some weeks - as per the
> normal 10.3 insallation (smart was nowhere to be seen for weeks).

Sincerely Smart is not all that smart. 
I installed it and when running 'smart --gui' it complained that 'it is 
missing interface gtk'. Very useless message. I have gtk installed for other 
applications that use it. 
~> sudo rpm -qa gtk gtk2
gtk2-2.12.0-5.4
gtk-1.2.10-993

So I played a bit and found that is missing 'python-gtk'. Very funny. There is 
111 hits if you ask for 'gtk' only. 

> >  Each developer gives numbers as he/she
> > finds fit,
>
> I am sure that you did not really mean this. Even the leading exponent
> of 'chaos', "The OS which shall not be named", doesn't follow this concept.

Everyone follows this concept.
I just made mistake telling that is opensource property.  

> >  so one has to ask developer for explanation, or simply try
> > software and see the features, not to assume from number what is
> > included. 
>
> Kinda difficult to assume, or second-guess, what a developer has in mind
> if one accepts this idea.

It is not difficult, it is MI (mission impossible). 
Looking on software project page one can decipher meaning of the number, and 
apply result to follow that project alone. 

> > More details you can find in http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 title 'What to
> > expect of KDE 4.0'. They provide 3 links to articles that explain how KDE
> > developers see the version numbering
>
> I accept this, but, unfortunately, I cannot boot the CD(s) created from
> the downloaded ISO of the KDE4 LIVE made available a couple of days ago.

Some detail might be helpful, specially if posted on opensuse-kde list. 

KDE developers seems to be busy recently developing KDE4 and still maintaining 
KDE3, so there is not much time left to browse mail lists for posts about 
KDE.  

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Aaron Kulkis]

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electronic device in his entire life.






Do you mean Noob, or Novice?



Yes.


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Re: [opensuse] psion users

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Pavel Nemec wrote:
> Hi all, 
> four couple of years psions are retired. We still have plptools in our 
> distribution. (file-system, clipboard and converters). Recently even new 
> (bugfix mainly) version was released. I would like to know if there is at 
> least one user who use plptools.
> I am going to move plptools into build service from factory. But if there is 
> no such user, I will drop it completely.
> 
> Let me know. Deadline is 18.1.2008
> 
> Farewell Psion
> Ex Psion 3c & Psion 7 user.
> Pavel
> 
> 

I occasionally use it. It does have a use with some Symbian Phones
(Nokia and SonyEricson in particular) so I would suggest it is retained
as an option. Think I might take a look at it again, as the version as I
had a few problems with it last time I looked at it. Unfortunately, the
protocol used is depreciated in more modern Symbian devices.

I doubt that you would get much of a response here, but it might be
worth contacting one of the Symbian/PSion forums.


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[opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Eberhard Roloff]

PerfectReign wrote:
> On Sun, January 13, 2008 10:58 am, Jerry Houston wrote:
>> I use remote desktop connections all the time at work, because we're
>> commercial Windows software developers.  At home, however, I've always
>> used a rather clumsy KVM switch to change from my Linux hardware to my
>> Windows hardware.  One of the disappointments has been that doing so
>> switched the audio output as well, interrupting whatever I was
>> listening
>> to whenever I've needed to work with both machines.
> 
> Whew!  You scared me there for a second.
> 
> In my world, the term "remoting" refers to any variation on OLE or COM
> or COM+ or .NET remote object instantiation.
> 
> Yeah, RDC is a great tool. I've been using it for awhile now...
> 
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/remote.jpg
> 
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20071101_rdc_vista.jpg
> 
> I currently have four computers on my desk at work - openSUSE, XP,
> Vista.  I use RDC to get to them all. Not to mention my Win2003
> workstations.
> 
> 
> Enjoy!

Kai,

on a sidenote. I saw that you have a visio icon on your Linux desktop.

How do you run visio on Linux?

Thanks much a kind regards
Eberhard

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[opensuse] psion users

[Pavel Nemec]

Hi all, 
four couple of years psions are retired. We still have plptools in our 
distribution. (file-system, clipboard and converters). Recently even new 
(bugfix mainly) version was released. I would like to know if there is at 
least one user who use plptools.
I am going to move plptools into build service from factory. But if there is 
no such user, I will drop it completely.

Let me know. Deadline is 18.1.2008

Farewell Psion
Ex Psion 3c & Psion 7 user.
Pavel


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[opensuse] suse 10.3 ppc sound and wireless problems (+ minor irritations)

[not disclosed]

I have installed SUSE 10.3 on my powerbook G4 Ti and it seems like most things 
are working well but I have no WIFI and no sound.

WIFI: This could well be that I don't know what I am doing but I can connect to 
my AP with my other wifi enabled system just fine.  
I have tried yast2 - no connection, knetwork manager- no connection and manual 
configuring via iwconfig although I really don't know how to use this (I have a 
WPA-PSK key and it seems impossible to set this in iwconfig).
So I don't necessarily think there is a fault but I haven't a clue how to 
proceed and fix it.  Hints, high level tools and iwconfig scripts would all be 
handy and failing that a suggestion as to find out what yast is trying to do 
and how to debug would be great! I have some sort of mac airport card installed 
but I don't know what.

SOUND: I have had a really hard time here, the installed kernel / sound / yast 
system gave no sound but showed a PowerMac Tumbler card.  The updated system 
shows 2 sound cards, PowerMac Tumbler and AWACS.  I can't edit the PowerMac 
Tumbler card, yast just crashes when I try (although I have been able to delete 
it). Before I deleted the PMT the AWACS couldn't be configured. Since then it 
can be.

Problem is that when I play something via aplay, amarok etc I get a burst of 
sound between 1-5 seconds long and then silence.  The sound I hear is correct 
(but truncated). The length of the burst is seemingly random.  Amarok looks 
like it is still playing oblivious to the silence. In KDE I get no sound from 
ARTs at all.

I have also tried alsaconf (same result).

I have also tried the latest alsa driver but this would not compile.

Incidently amarok just freezes if I use the gstreamer engine but appears ok 
with xine.

Any ideas please? One of my main reasons for installing linux was to get amarok!


Here are some minor irritations rather than major I would like to fix or 
understand...
 
X11: This is fine provided I change nothing - if I do I instantly get a wierd 
gray blobbly screen and have to reset the xorg.conf to the previous settings 
and telinit 3; telinit 5.  I think the graphics card has limitations that yast 
and sax don't
understand - it certainly runs at a resolution they don't know (1152*768).  I 
would be happy to leave it but I need to enable thrre button emulation for the 
trackpad...

Trackpad: I would like to turn off the tap to click setting.

yast: focus stealing and autoraising - is there anyway to stop this? it is 
always bloody annoying but on this slow, slow laptop it is excruciating to be 
rudely interrupted by yast every 15 seconds while it takes 5 minutes to get 
going...

X11 locking when the lid is closed - never had a linux laptop before so never 
encountered this, how do I turn the locking off?
 
Thanks,

SA


PS yast wasn't too clever during the partition section of the install so here 
is what I did for the record in case it is usefull for anyone else:

Problem:

Yast fails to provide a sensible solution for partioning the disk and fails to 
carry out the partition plan once you set it up
reporting errors that it can't fix.

Solution for me: using the install disk boot so a shell (install start_shell at 
the command line prompt).  Then use
pdisk to delete the partiions you don't want. My disk had to small "driver" 
partitions which I had to leave well alone -
I think they might contain disk firmware - in any event they were very small so 
it hardly mattered.


and then add:

a 32mb mac hfs partition
a swap partition
and partitions for your install (I like 10Gb ext3 for / and the remaining disk 
(20Gb) for /home (ext3)).

Then exit pdisk, exit the shell and the install starts as usual.

When yast gets to the partition section it highlights the partitioning as a 
problem, which is depressing because
this is what it did before. However, provided you don't adjust the partitions 
in yast it just works - yast formats
the partitions with no bother.  If you try to change something here it just 
produces errors as before.

Note the small HFS partition is essential! the mac firmware can only boot hfs 
and this is where the boot loader will go. Regardless of single or dual boot it 
looks like you must have this!
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Andreas Jaeger]

"Johannes Nohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Saying LTS I mean Long Term Support as ubuntu people do.
>
> I know there's SEL but I'm asking for the open Suse. I'm configuring a
> new webserver right now. And I'm seriosly thinking about waiting for
> the next ubuntu LTS. I always ran the machines longer than two years.
> Often the contract duration for the dedicated hardware is two years
> yet. And although upgrading worked so far for me there were always
> small changes which you couldn't see in advance, like postfix
> complaining about file permissions.
>
> I really enjoy OpenSuse but a life cycle of two years is - except for
> desktops - to short. Not every release has to be supported long term
> but what about every third? Couldn't the life cycle be 4.5 years?

Novell offers the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Desktop products
which are basically LTS versions - but you need to pay for them.

On the other hand, with the build service it would be possible for
community members to support an openSUSE release for a longer term than
we're doing and create an own update channel.

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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Aaron Kulkis]

Jerry Houston wrote:

I use remote desktop connections all the time at work, because we're
commercial Windows software developers.  At home, however, I've always
used a rather clumsy KVM switch to change from my Linux hardware to my
Windows hardware.  One of the disappointments has been that doing so
switched the audio output as well, interrupting whatever I was listening
to whenever I've needed to work with both machines.


That's why I've always used 2 sets of flat-panels when I
use a KVM switch. (In other words, I don't set it up
as a KVMS switch).


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Re: [opensuse] Problem getting printing to work in OpenOffice

[Fergus Wilde]

On Sunday 13 January 2008 06:02, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Johannes Meixner wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Dec 7 16:44 Basil Chupin wrote (shortened):
> >> Why is OpenOffice such a bitch about printing?
> >
> > What do you think why this or that application program
> > is "such a bitch about printing"?
>
> Because it doesn't print when one attempts to print a document when all
> the settings in the Operating System (in this case OpenSuse 10.2 [and
> now 10.3]) have been correctly setup?
>
> > Obviously printing should be an important issue in particular
> > for an office program but what do you think is the base reason
> > when the actual implementation is poor?
>
> Which is the 'actual implementation [which] is poor'? OpenSuse or
> OpenOffice?

My guess is that it's probably OpenOffice, because (tragically) I do have to 
support it on Windows sometimes, and it's picky about printing there too. And 
I've used the OpenBSD port and struggled to get it to play ball.

Less a propos of your original question, I'm afraid the main obstacle I face 
in getting Windows users to change to OO is its weak envelope printing. I 
know it can be made to do it, with some printers, but when MS Word users 
complain that Word is far easier to use in printing envelopes and labels I 
find it hard to disagree.


>
> > I don't know what the base reason is when printing is poor in
> > this or that application program - I have my own vague ideas
> > but I don't know what the actual reasons are.
>
> You have more knowledge and experience than I (will ever) have. I may
> have to go back to DOS..
>
> > Kind Regards
> > Johannes Meixner
>
> Ciao.
>
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Re: [opensuse] psion users

[Pavel Nemec]

Dne Monday 14 January 2008 10:22:41 G T Smith napsal(a):
> Pavel Nemec wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > four couple of years psions are retired. We still have plptools in our
> > distribution. (file-system, clipboard and converters). Recently even new
> > (bugfix mainly) version was released. I would like to know if there is at
> > least one user who use plptools.
> > I am going to move plptools into build service from factory. But if there
> > is no such user, I will drop it completely.
> >
> > Let me know. Deadline is 18.1.2008
> >
> > Farewell Psion
> > Ex Psion 3c & Psion 7 user.
> > Pavel
>
> I occasionally use it. It does have a use with some Symbian Phones
> (Nokia and SonyEricson in particular) so I would suggest it is retained
> as an option. Think I might take a look at it again, as the version as I

Yes, I can move it to Build Service.

> had a few problems with it last time I looked at it. Unfortunately, the
> protocol used is depreciated in more modern Symbian devices.

I know that former Ercison 8x0 and 9x0 was basicly psions in new coat. But I 
last track couple of years ago. 

>
> I doubt that you would get much of a response here, but it might be
> worth contacting one of the Symbian/PSion forums.

No I am just intereted in suse-psion users :D

Thanks for response. 
P


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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 02:42:53 am Jonathan Ervine wrote:

> The
> cost of SLED is pretty low already, so I can't see the benefit of
> producing a lower cost version for personal use - that really would
> cannibalise SLED sales.

Original question by Johannes Nohl was about the server. 
Novell will never have customers like Johannes unless there is cheaper 
alternative to SLES. They can't afford full fledged product and they are 
tired to go trough update cycle every 2 years. Ideal opportunity to see what 
can be dropped from SLES, and make some money. 

Focus on sales killed many good products, pushing customers to competition.
Thinking on shallow pockets that are majority of customers, and looking how to 
help them to get most for their money was never bad idea. 

I can remember that MS DOS was some 20% cheaper than IBM DOS, and that was 
good enough to buy MS product. When IBM later dropped DOS my decision to use 
MS DOS looked even better. MS lost me when they started to focus on sales. 

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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Stephan Binner]

On Monday, 14. January 2008 09:10:34 Basil Chupin wrote:

> In any case, the KDE4 LIVE iso was not made available with the proviso
> that it be used by people using "virtual bos" or "vmware".

That's plainly wrong. The Live CD is supposed to and is tested to run fine 
also on real hardware. Unfortunately it seems that it does not on all. :-(

Anyone who can help with information about his hardware and/or testing of eg 
the openSUSE 10.3/11.0 Live-CDs to track down this problem instead of just 
generalizing "doesn't work for anyone" is welcome.

Bye,
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Dave Plater]

Stephan Binner wrote:
> On Monday, 14. January 2008 09:10:34 Basil Chupin wrote:
>
>   
>> In any case, the KDE4 LIVE iso was not made available with the proviso
>> that it be used by people using "virtual bos" or "vmware".
>> 
>
> That's plainly wrong. The Live CD is supposed to and is tested to run fine 
> also on real hardware. Unfortunately it seems that it does not on all. :-(
>
> Anyone who can help with information about his hardware and/or testing of eg 
> the openSUSE 10.3/11.0 Live-CDs to track down this problem instead of just 
> generalizing "doesn't work for anyone" is welcome.
>
> Bye,
>Steve
>   
I remember suse 9.1 cd could boot off cd 2 and then you could insert the
first cd, if you had problems booting off cd one. It was a bios
compatibility problem that prevented cd 1 from booting. Maybe if a boot
cd like 9.1 cd2 is still available it could help narrow down the
problem, or maybe a bios upgrade. Its a pity the old manual setup option
has been removed from the 10.3 cd, it is very useful for booting
installed system etc.
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 02:22:18 am Clayton wrote:

> I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
> noticeable impact on performance... how?

It seems that you monitor Beagle in a first time after installation. 
Though there is pops up note telling that computer will be slower in a first 
few minutes. Later on you shouldn't notice indexing. 

Though that it should be optional as you suggested in another post as the 
version is 'beagle-0.2.18-30' which by any interparetation of version string 
is early development. On the other hand, how many people will ever attempt to 
test software with so low version (except Linux users)?  

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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 04:20:02 am Dave Plater wrote:
> Its a pity the old manual setup option
> has been removed from the 10.3 cd, it is very useful for booting
> installed system etc.

If we agree what means 'manual booting' than it is still there. 
Though, it pops up when something goes wrong, or user click on Abort. 

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[opensuse] Main Update Repository

[Claes Bäckström]

Hi.

Get this error when I try to update with zypper.


Refreshing 'Main Update Repository'
Digest verification failed for patch-fetchmsttfonts.sh-4347.xml.
Expected c2ac9f8f86f4e316700968ccaeee03c88c5d7be8, found
702eec24885aae54e89c7c3d6e307692f97f711e. Continue? [yes/no]:

If I answer yes on that everything seams to work. But is this
something to think about or should I ignore it?

My machine is a newly installed openSUSE 10.3 i586

Warm Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Carlos E. R.]

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Usually this indicates you have a problematic file (usually its broken
or corrupt) that causes the index helper to go into a loop while
indexing.

See http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU for instructions on
how to report such a bug.



with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.


Which you could tell beagle not to index. That's a lot of data.


My CPU.. both cores.. were running about 99%.  RAM was full, and swap
was filling up as well.


which is probably indicative of a bug.


I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
noticeable impact on performance... how?


See the first quote I left above.

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Re: [opensuse] Brother printer

[Rodney Baker]

On Monday 14 January 2008 15:54:08 Doug McGarrett wrote:
[...]
>
> If anyone out there has successfully managed to get 2.0.1-1 working with a
> 2040 printer, I would like to know how you did it.  Meanwhile, of course, I
> will keep trying the troubleshooter server, to see if they fixed it.

Doug,
I believe that my father's printer is an HL-2040 and we have that working fine 
under OpenSuse 10.3. We did not install the printer under Yast - I downloaded 
and installed the current drivers from the rpm's on the Brother web site.

First install the lpr drivers, then the cups wrappers for the lpr drivers. 
Then follow the instructions for setting it up via CUPS. When we did it on my 
dad's machine I initially forgot to install the CUPS wrapper - once I did 
that it worked straight away.

However, we are using 10.3 as opposed to 9.3 so YMMV.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Rodney Baker]

On Monday 14 January 2008 19:50:07 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
[...]
> Kai,
>
> on a sidenote. I saw that you have a visio icon on your Linux desktop.
>
> How do you run visio on Linux?
>
> Thanks much a kind regards
> Eberhard

Visio runs OK under CrossOver Office (a commercial version of wine) - see 
www.codeweavers.com. Support wasn't perfect around version 4 (of Crossover), 
but I no longer have my Visio install disk so I haven't been able to test it 
with recent versions (currently up to 6.2). It is optimised for running MS 
Office - it can be quite useful to run Excel and Word "natively" on Linux at 
times...

Regards,
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Druid]

On Jan 12, 2008 9:19 PM, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carlos E. R. a écrit :
>
> > Maintaining (backporting) apps for such a long time is costly, and that
> > is why SLES is expensive, and not so feature rich.
>
> there could be a medium point. I would be ready to pay a small fee
> ($10/year?) for security patches for kernel, apache, postfix and some

Would you like french fries with that free lunch?

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Re: [opensuse] Main Update Repository

[Marcus Meissner]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:49:42AM +0100, Claes Bäckström wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Get this error when I try to update with zypper.
> 
> 
> Refreshing 'Main Update Repository'
> Digest verification failed for patch-fetchmsttfonts.sh-4347.xml.
> Expected c2ac9f8f86f4e316700968ccaeee03c88c5d7be8, found
> 702eec24885aae54e89c7c3d6e307692f97f711e. Continue? [yes/no]:
> 
> If I answer yes on that everything seams to work. But is this
> something to think about or should I ignore it?
> 
> My machine is a newly installed openSUSE 10.3 i586

This should be gone once you refresh the repository, it was
only temporary...

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Mike]

> Kevin Dupuy wrote:
> > I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it
> > definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
> > Beagle.

I have a dozen or so OpenSUSE 10.x installations here, not one person leaves 
Beagle stuff running because it causes so many problems.
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RE: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[not disclosed]

> 
> I have a dozen or so OpenSUSE 10.x installations here, not one person leaves 
> Beagle stuff running because it causes so many problems.

Yep we always remove it and set up locate which is useful and light weight...
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Clayton]

> > I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
> > noticeable impact on performance... how?
>
> It seems that you monitor Beagle in a first time after installation.
> Though there is pops up note telling that computer will be slower in a first
> few minutes. Later on you shouldn't notice indexing.

I let Beagle run longer than 24h on the dual core system.  System
response remained horrible.  A friend installed 10.2 and then updated
everything including Beagle... it ran for a couple of weeks with
Beagle killing his system performance before he called and asked what
was wrong.  So, I am not talking 30 seconds of annoyance here... this
is days of uptime on fast machines... and weeks on slower machines.


> version is 'beagle-0.2.18-30' which by any interparetation of version string
> is early development. On the other hand, how many people will ever attempt to
> test software with so low version (except Linux users)?

Test by choice is a good thing... lots of us here install from Factory
just to see what works.  I have a VM I do that in all the time.  Lots
of things break and I have to roll back to a previous snapshot (which
is why I like to use a VM instead of a native system)

Setting it as part of the default install makes the new users test it
as well.  That isn't giving the new user a lot of choice.


> > with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.
>
>Which you could tell beagle not to index. That's a lot of data.

True, but a significant portion of it is video.  Mostly very large
files eating up a lot of that diskspace not millions of small text
files that need to be indexed.  Indexing 2 or 3 hundred binary video
files should not take that long.


C.
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Jerry Houston]

Basil Chupin wrote:
>> bullshit. I have found the "dreaded dog" to be absolutely worthless.
>> I don't have the eating cpu complaint, but a google desktop it aint...
> ROFL!
>
> BUT!...don't ever mention "google" in polite society or a family
> forum.

But isn't the enemy of my enemy my friend?
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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[Cristian Rodríguez]

jdd escribió:

But as I said, one can look at the already working LTS of the competitor 
and see if the bussines model is viable, I don't *require* anything.


A competitor which does not invest any significant money in linux 
development and relies on the efforts of debian, not a nice example to 
follow IMHO.



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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 and powermanagement

[Aaron Kulkis]

John E. Perry wrote:

Hans Petter Jansson wrote:

On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:


Have you asked them when they're going to give
real support for basic linux functionality


Well, Aaron, I recall that hp was one of the lesser good guys, along
with IBM and Novell, resisting the SCO attempt to kill linux.  I'm not
anxious to irritate even the bottom-feeders in India who "support" the
systems.  I figure that if enough of us let them know (as I did) that
Windows is not enough for us, they'll eventually get the message.


By support, I'm not talking about help-desk droids, I'm
talking about software, or information needed by developers
to create the software (i.e. how to translate the battery
meter into meaningful numbers).



Yeah, I know lots of people want to get in their faces, but I'm a member
of Nature Conservancy, and I admire tremendously their scientific,
non-confrontational, "coax them quietly into cooperation" approach,
which has done more to advance the preservation of our environment than
all the screamers and moaners (Sierra Club, PETA, FoE, etc.) put together.


Agreed.

All the Sierra Club, PETA, etc. do is create hostility,
for creating false-issues, or making mountains out of
molehills, rather than addressing genuine problems
(like the scare-tactic ads of a kid asking his grandfather
what the world was like when there was water...as if
the water is going to LEAVE EARTH  while on the
other hand arguing that the coastal cities are on
the verge of being submerged.  Which is it? Is
water disappearing into space, or is water appearing
from nowhere (sorry, icecap melting is NOT persuasive),
or is it (more likely..something else... the coastlines
in areas near polar regions, such as Iceland are receding).




I guess this is a bit offtopic, but have you tried the GNOME Power
Manager? It creates dynamic battery profiles through statistical
sampling. Seems to work pretty well. Pretty graphs too :)



I didn't know about it.  I tried gnome early on, but it simply was
nowhere near KDE's level of function and ease of use, so I haven't paid
a lot of attention to it since then.  As I understand it, much of gnome
works under KDE, too, so I could certainly give it a try.  Do you know
offhand if it works well under KDE?


What's the name of the GNOME program?



jp




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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[jdd]

Marcus Meissner a écrit :


It would be less money earned for us.


As I said previously, it's not mandatory.

What I mean is much simpler than SLED and may have much more 
customers, but of course it needs to not cut the SLED market (we are 
ok on this)


jdd

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[opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Eberhard Roloff]

Rodney Baker wrote:
> On Monday 14 January 2008 19:50:07 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> [...]
>> Kai,
>>
>> on a sidenote. I saw that you have a visio icon on your Linux desktop.
>>
>> How do you run visio on Linux?
>>
>> Thanks much a kind regards
>> Eberhard
> 
> Visio runs OK under CrossOver Office (a commercial version of wine) - see 
> www.codeweavers.com. Support wasn't perfect around version 4 (of Crossover), 
> but I no longer have my Visio install disk so I haven't been able to test it 
> with recent versions (currently up to 6.2). 

Thanks much, Rodney. I knew that cxoffice works great to make MS Office
working on Linux. I was not aware that this applies for visio, as well.

It is optimised for running MS
> Office - it can be quite useful to run Excel and Word "natively" on Linux at 
> times...

Indeed.

However from a financial perspective, that means basically that you will
need to add the crossover office license fee to the MS-Office premium.

So imho the financial benefit of using Linux is kind of minimized
against using the windows version that came with the machine.

kind regards
Eberhard
> 
> Regards,
> Rodney.
> 
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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Aaron Kulkis]

Clayton wrote:

Anyone else seeing Beagle really kill performance? I have disabled
it and my machine finally is perky, but every now and then, I find it
in memory again. How do I arange it to chew up less memory and CPU or
kill it once and for all?

Usually this indicates you have a problematic file (usually its broken
or corrupt) that causes the index helper to go into a loop while
indexing.

See http://beagle-project.org/Troubleshooting_CPU for instructions on
how to report such a bug.


A bit late to the discussion here...  I also have to kill Beagle every
time I do an install.  I tried it again with the 10.3 install I did
this weekend.  It sucked up so much of my system resources that I
could barely do anything else... this is on a *clean* default install
(not an upgrade) on an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ with 2Gb of RAM, a /home




with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.
 My CPU.. both cores.. were running about 99%.  RAM was full, and swap
was filling up as well.  The whole computer was grinding to a halt.
When I finally managed top open a terminal and run top... Beagle was
there consuming 100% of everything it could.  I left Beagle run for a
while... an afternoon... and it never changed.  Kept my CPU nice and
toasty warm though.  In the end I sopped the daemon, and removed every
trace of Beagle I could find.  The result... the computer is back to
normal.  The 10.3 install is noticeably faster than the previous 10.2
install (also without Beagle) and I'm happy.. .although a bit
puzzled how it is that anyone finds Beagle useable.



This is typical behavior, and the developers have known about
it for a long time, because there are written complaints about
it all over the place.

And the devs haven't done shit about it.

which is why I joked about beating them with baseball
bats until they do fix it.  Because apparently, extreme
disgust with the horrible performance characteristic of
their creation doesn't seem to motivate them one bit.




As a contrast, I can install the Google Desktop indexer (on the dual
core system), and I never notice it is there.  It indexes roughly the
same scope of data (I think).  It never runs so that I am aware it's
indexing.  My other apps carry on with no noticeable impact on
performance.

I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
noticeable impact on performance... how?  I've struggled with Beagle
since it first appeared on the openSUSE scene.  I have seen it's
appalling impact on performance over several installs on several
different hardware configurations.  Not once have I seen it "work" in
any measure that could be considered good.


Personally, I think they're either lying, or not paying
attention.



I will continue to try it out with each new install I do, but... i
don't hold out a lot of hope.  I've kind of lumped it  in with zmd...
another app that is on my search and destroy list for a new install.
Once those two apps are gone from a default install the computer works
great with openSUSE.


Yep!

Why these system-resource hogs which offer functionality
which is .. peripheral at best... are installed by default
is utterly insane.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 4:10 am, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
> Rodney Baker wrote:
>> On Monday 14 January 2008 19:50:07 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Kai,
>>>
>>> on a sidenote. I saw that you have a visio icon on your Linux
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> How do you run visio on Linux?
>>>
>>> Thanks much a kind regards
>>> Eberhard
>>
>> Visio runs OK under CrossOver Office (a commercial version of wine)
>> - see
>> www.codeweavers.com. Support wasn't perfect around version 4 (of
>> Crossover),
>> but I no longer have my Visio install disk so I haven't been able to
>> test it
>> with recent versions (currently up to 6.2).
>
> Thanks much, Rodney. I knew that cxoffice works great to make MS
> Office
> working on Linux. I was not aware that this applies for visio, as
> well.

Visio is one of the few applications I cannot do without and for which
I find no good Linux equivilant (KVivio, OpenOffice). I admit, I
haven't tried Dia (http://live.gnome.org/Dia) but should.

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/visio_suse.jpg

In fact, I just taught my wife last night to use Visio to develop some
diagrams for a presentation she's doing to a school district.  It is
so brain-dead simple yet powerful.  (I've been using it since version
3.0 before MS bought it in 2000.)


>
> It is optimised for running MS
>> Office - it can be quite useful to run Excel and Word "natively" on
>> Linux at
>> times...
>
> Indeed.

Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
must-have, Project, if necessary.

Project:
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/cx_project.jpg

Visio:
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/visio2002_on_nix.jpg

mIRC:
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Outlook:
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/outlook_save.jpg




>
> However from a financial perspective, that means basically that you
> will
> need to add the crossover office license fee to the MS-Office premium.
>
> So imho the financial benefit of using Linux is kind of minimized
> against using the windows version that came with the machine.

Yes, you must pay for both the MS Office license (which you may have
already) and the CX Office license.  For me, it was relatively
painless, since I am an MSDN Universal subscriber. I get the Office
versions as part of the package. I just had to pay for CXOffice.

Once my company finally gets on to version 2003 of Exchange (we're on
5.5 with a 1.8TB database) then I'll migrate to Evolution or some
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Re: [opensuse] laptop headphones

[Martin Lasarsch]

On Saturday 12 January 2008 18:58:29 Marc Chamberlin wrote:

> How do I get my headphones to work under SuSE 10.2 so I can listen to
> music played via Amorak at work (without getting shot by my co-workers
> because they may NOT happen to like my particular tastes)?  I have look
> at the settings in Yast, KMix, KDE's Personal Settings, and fooled
> around with em, all to no avail

Same crap here on my latest laptop. I could make it work with:

http://de.opensuse.org/SDB:Intel-hda
(yes, only german but if you look at it, you should be able to understand 
whats important ... or translate it online). You might have play with the 
right model= option to find the right one.

I can change volume for speakers and headphones with kmix after the changes.

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Aaron Kulkis]

Kevin Dupuy wrote:

On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 16:06 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

PerfectReign wrote:

On Sat, January 12, 2008 7:33 am, peter wrote:

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| If you don't like it, don't install it. There's no one holding your
| fingers to the keyboard.

I'm tired of some arguments.
If you like beagle install it. If you don't leave it. This is a free
world.

But beagle is a default install in opensuse and linking to libbeagle a
must. So your argument doesn't count.

No - I simply clicked on "ban" in the installer (last two installs)
and it griped a bit but let me pass.

My mother - by the way - runs beagle and kerry just fine she never
notices any issues. However, I refuse to have it.

Bitching about it is just childish unless one bitches and then takes
it upon oneself to either (a) remove it or (b) re-write it.

It would be nice if SuSE didn't make it a default
install, with the dependency complaints if you
remove it.




I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it
definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
Beagle.


Really?
"Most Users" dont use Windows search, either.




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Re: [opensuse] Will there be a LTS version of OpenSuse?

[jdd]

jdd a écrit :


but of course it needs to not cut the SLED market (we are ok on this)


I have to apologize: I often mix SLES (server) which is in object here 
and SLED (desktop)


SLED upates are reasonably cheap (a little too much for me, but I 
could afford it if necessary), and may be they are enough.


is SLED (desktop) enough for a personal server??

thanks
jdd

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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[jdd]

Basil Chupin a écrit :

Why don't you ask how many of the people in this forum are using 
"virtual bos" (whatever that it is) and "vmware"?


sorry for the typos, I meant "virtual box". It's very pften used to 
tests distros and prove often to be more difficult to boot than real 
hardware :-(



the problem so may come from a defective write


When each write (using kb3) is 'told' to verify the write and no errors 
are reported then it is logical to assume that the source file is 
stuffed, no?


alas no. may be the hole cd bunch is defective. I've seen this. good 
burn and two minutes later empty cd...


I don't say this is the case, but it "may" be.

I have in hand 30 official 10.2 openSUSE printed DVD's sent for 
distribution. 3 amoug 4 are deffective and not even boot. I noticed 
this because the return from the users and could verify it myself last 
saturday.


optical medium are usually good, but sometime not.

I also have at least two dvd readers that don't read dvd's (but read 
perfectly cd's), and dead cd readers by dozens...


may be something like
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/null

could give you a hint of if or not the cd is good

jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Aaron Kulkis]

Rajko M. wrote:

On Monday 14 January 2008 02:22:18 am Clayton wrote:


I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
noticeable impact on performance... how?


It seems that you monitor Beagle in a first time after installation. 
Though there is pops up note telling that computer will be slower in a first 
few minutes. Later on you shouldn't notice indexing. 

Though that it should be optional as you suggested in another post as the 
version is 'beagle-0.2.18-30' which by any interparetation of version string 
is early development. On the other hand, how many people will ever attempt to 
test software with so low version (except Linux users)? 


Which brings back the question...

Why in the hell is Beagle part of the default installation?

it's 0.2 level, and it runs like complete crap.








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RE: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[not disclosed]

>> 
>> I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it
>> definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
>> Beagle.
> 
I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it
or ask someone to remove it for them.  
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[James Knott]

PerfectReign wrote:
> Not to mention my Win2003 workstations.
>
>   

Yes, some things are best left unsaid.  ;-)


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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

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The Monday 2008-01-14 at 12:35 +0100, Clayton wrote:


I let Beagle run longer than 24h on the dual core system.  System
response remained horrible.  A friend installed 10.2 and then updated
everything including Beagle... it ran for a couple of weeks with
Beagle killing his system performance before he called and asked what
was wrong.  So, I am not talking 30 seconds of annoyance here... this
is days of uptime on fast machines... and weeks on slower machines.


And that is a bug you may report. There was a link with instructions.



with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.


Which you could tell beagle not to index. That's a lot of data.


True, but a significant portion of it is video.  Mostly very large
files eating up a lot of that diskspace not millions of small text
files that need to be indexed.  Indexing 2 or 3 hundred binary video
files should not take that long.


It indexes content, not just filenames, but I don't think it does anything 
with multimedia files.


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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[StephenW]

--- Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jerry Houston wrote:
> > I use remote desktop connections all the time at work, because we're
> > commercial Windows software developers.  At home, however, I've always
> > used a rather clumsy KVM switch to change from my Linux hardware to my
> > Windows hardware.  
> > One of the disappointments has been that doing so
> > switched the audio output as well, interrupting whatever I was listening
> > to whenever I've needed to work with both machines.

> That's why I've always used 2 sets of flat-panels when I
> use a KVM switch. (In other words, I don't set it up
> as a KVMS switch).

My solutions to the above:
-- I use a simple hot key to switch between my two machines at home and a small
box at my work station with opush buttons to toggle between four machines.
-- And at home that is why I have two sets of speakers...

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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[StephenW]

--- Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jerry Houston wrote:
> > I use remote desktop connections all the time at work, because we're
> > commercial Windows software developers.  At home, however, I've always
> > used a rather clumsy KVM switch to change from my Linux hardware to my
> > Windows hardware.  
> > One of the disappointments has been that doing so
> > switched the audio output as well, interrupting whatever I was listening
> > to whenever I've needed to work with both machines.

> That's why I've always used 2 sets of flat-panels when I
> use a KVM switch. (In other words, I don't set it up
> as a KVMS switch).

My solutions to the above:
-- I use a simple hot key to switch between my two machines at home and a small
box at my work station with opush buttons to toggle between four machines.
-- And at home that is why I have two sets of speakers...

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Re: [opensuse] laptop headphones

[Martin Lasarsch]

On Monday 14 January 2008 13:54:46 Martin Lasarsch wrote:
> On Saturday 12 January 2008 18:58:29 Marc Chamberlin wrote:
> > How do I get my headphones to work under SuSE 10.2 so I can listen to
> > music played via Amorak at work (without getting shot by my co-workers
> > because they may NOT happen to like my particular tastes)?  I have look
> > at the settings in Yast, KMix, KDE's Personal Settings, and fooled
> > around with em, all to no avail
>
> Same crap here on my latest laptop. I could make it work with:
>
> http://de.opensuse.org/SDB:Intel-hda

fast translation:

http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Intel-HDA_sound_problems

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Re: [opensuse] Brother printer

[Patrick Shanahan]

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> On Sunday 13 January 2008 21:37, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > btw, did you bother looking for instructions *specific* to openSUSE?
> > see:  
> 
> I will look at the URL you suggested, but note that I'm not using openSUSE,
> but an earlier version that seems to work.

There were several url's.  So look for information pertaining to the
version  of SuSE that you *are* using.

> > seems like there is a lot of information available.  Google *is* your
> > best friend!
> >
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> > http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album:  http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
> > Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org

seems you would have removed the sig ???

> The instructions I downloaded came from Brother, and are specific to SuSE,
> ver. 9.0 or later --I have 9.3-- and include other Linux versions, but I 
> obviously used the SuSE instructions. These do NOT include YAST, altho 
> YAST shows what is installed, etc.  I don't know if YAST should highlight any 
> problems, but it did not do so.  

did you try removing the printer installed as you indicated you wanted.

> The instructions expect a CUPS system, which I believe I have.  

you don't know?   from cl:  rpm -qa cups

> The installation is run from the console.  After that, you need to use
> the browser (Firefox, in my case) and go to http:// localhost:631 and
> follow some other simple instructions, which I believe I did.

That is the interface to the cups server.  There is provisions there
to remove/install/configure printers.  Do the removal there

> Unfortunately, the troubleshooter at Brother says the server cannot be 
> reached, so I can't look for their assistance.  Maybe on Monday they will fix 
> the server?  

Brother's server?

> 
> If anyone out there has successfully managed to get 2.0.1-1 working with a
> 2040 printer, I would like to know how you did it.  Meanwhile, of course, I
> will keep trying the troubleshooter server, to see if they fixed it.

You are not interested enough to google for a solution?  There are
many people professing successful installation and use of Brother
printers in linux.

btw, their servers are up.


google *is* your best friend.
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Ken Schneider]

Basil Chupin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
> jdd wrote:
>> Basil Chupin a écrit :
>>
>>> Then you are not 'playing the game', are you?
>>
>>
>> yes, he do
> 
> How?
> 
>>>
>>> "But i didnt burn to cd and try that way".
>>>
>>> The whole idea of making an ISO file available for the plebs to
>>> download IS to have them download it and normally burn it to a CD! :-)
>>
>> virtual bos and vmware can moiunt an iso image as a cd/dvd, so ite's
>> identical.
> 
> Why don't you ask how many of the people in this forum are using
> "virtual bos" (whatever that it is) and "vmware"?

You want thousands of people replying to this post? I have used
VirtualBox for a couple of months having switched from VMware. And you
have been on this list long enough to know what VMware is, no? In any
case you know what Google does so use it.

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[opensuse] strange information from smartupdate

[constant]

Having a fresh installed 10.3 on my Thinkpad I ran into a
problem with a normal update. I know for sure that some days
ago I could update but today I received following error
information:
Failed acquiring information for 'openSUSE-10.3-FTP':
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/media.1/media:
Forbidden
And that was followed by a similar informatiom for the other
four or five other repositories.Can somebody helpme out?


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RE: [opensuse] Top/lsof

[Kain, Becki (B.)]

 okay, I'm trying to solve why certain processes keep pegging cpu's and
not letting them go.  What do you suggest I use to track this down?

Thanks in advance


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On Friday 11 January 2008 12:35, Kain, Becki (B.) wrote:
> I care because I'm trying to figure out what threads of certain
> processes are continuing to run at 99% of a cpu.  I'd like to know
> what the system is considering "system space" in top's calculation of
> system space.
>
> I'm trying to solve a reoccurring pegging of the cpu's issue.  If
> there is another set of commands that I should be using, please let
> me know

None of that has anything to do with which CPU is executing any given 
thread at any particular moment.


> Thanks


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Clayton]

> >> I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it
> >> definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
> >> Beagle.
> >
> I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it
> or ask someone to remove it for them.

Exactly.  Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet
ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle.  The issue is not whether or not
these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of
the major performance impact that happens when Beagle is running.

I can really see the usefulness of the concept behind Beagle...
especially for a few end users that I know and help out from time to
time.  The trade off though... The system performance impact they are
all reporting is consistent... and it's consistent with my experience.

To those that say open a bug report... open it and say what?  Beagle
is too slow?  Devs will want specifics (and rightly so).  I have no
specifics other than to say that Beagle is not suitable to be used on
a regular basis because of the performance impact I and every one else
I know have experienced which is basically what almost everyone
here is saying... minus the few who do have Beagle working fine.

I would like to know how they managed it... if the answer is something
along the lines of "I opened a terminal, su to root, nice -19ed it and
then issue this other long string of commands..."... sorry... that
tells me that Beagle should not be given to the masses by default.  If
it works by default, then why is it working for you and not the rest
of us?  What is different?  I install a default install as given me by
the openSUSE installer and Beagle is consistently a resource hog...
not only on initial boot, but long long after as well.  This is the
same (in my experience) on clean installs with no user data, and on my
desktop with its 1.2TB of legacy data across 7 drives.  Something
doesn't make sense here.

C.
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Re: [opensuse] KDE4 Live CD from openSUSE

[Carlos F. Lange]

On Sun January 13 2008 21:50:37 Basil Chupin wrote:
> >
> > Strange.
> > Mine boots fine. I get first a Grub menu similar to 10.3, but
> > offering "KDE 4 Live"  and "Failsafe KDE 4 Live" before "hard disk"
> > and then it booted directly into KDE4 and I've tried out a few
> > widgets and settings without problems. It is cool.
>
> Well, you are a very fortunate man because none of the copies I
> downloaded and burnt to CD will boot.
>
> Here is the listing of the CD directories after being burnt (with k3b
> BTW):
>
> total 503279
> drwxr-xr-x 3 xx root  2048 2008-01-11 08:38 boot
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x root80 2008-01-11 08:38 config.isoclient
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x root 515354624 2008-01-11 08:34
> KDE-Four-Live-read-only.i686-1.0
>
> Doesn't look anything like the contents of the openSuse 10.3 KDE LIVE
> cdrom which does boot correctly:
>
> total 678074
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   5048 2007-08-29 04:47 autorun.inf
> drwxr-xr-x 3 x root  2048 2007-10-14 04:17 boot
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x root80 2007-10-14 04:17 config.isoclient
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50 12892 2007-09-26 21:04 EULA.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50 17992 2007-08-29 04:47 GPLv2.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50 35147 2007-08-29 04:47 GPLv3.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x root 691138560 2007-10-14 04:11
> openSUSE-10.3-read-only.i686-2.0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x root   3131987 2007-09-25 04:20
> opensuse-kdequick_en.pdf -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50  1664 2007-08-29
> 04:47 README
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50  1708 2007-08-29 04:47 README.DOS
> -rw-r--r-- 1 x   50  2238 2007-08-29 04:47 SuSEgo.ico

OK, then I'm doubly fortunate. I checked my CDs and they look exactly as 
you list above and both boot on my laptop and now tested on my desktop 
too.


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Re: [opensuse] Top/lsof

[Randall R Schulz]

On Monday 14 January 2008 07:14, Kain, Becki (B.) wrote:
>  okay, I'm trying to solve why certain processes keep pegging cpu's
> and not letting them go.  What do you suggest I use to track this
> down?

Well, for starters you have to identify the processes in question and 
find out what they do or are supposed to do.

It's true that most of the routine monitoring application (top, e.g.) 
are somewhat crude. If a program just pegs the CPU for an extended 
period of time, then you can clearly see that in top or one of its 
brethren. But if a program makes excessive but sporadic use of the CPU, 
it won't help. And if the CPU is not tied to a process (excessive 
interrupts, e.g.), then it won't cause any process to move up on a top 
listing 'cause the CPU utilization is not accounted to any process.

The most sophisticated program you have for monitoring your system is 
KDE System Guard. It can record and display a lot of information both 
locally and remotely. It can show a tabular display such as that of 
(or, more aptly, like "qps") and it can plot values graphically over 
time.


> Thanks in advance


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[opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Eberhard Roloff]

PerfectReign wrote:

> 
> Visio is one of the few applications I cannot do without and for which
> I find no good Linux equivilant (KVivio, OpenOffice). I admit, I
> haven't tried Dia (http://live.gnome.org/Dia) but should.
> 
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/visio_suse.jpg
> 
> In fact, I just taught my wife last night to use Visio to develop some
> diagrams for a presentation she's doing to a school district.  It is
> so brain-dead simple yet powerful.  (I've been using it since version
> 3.0 before MS bought it in 2000.)
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
> must-have, Project, if necessary.
> 
> Project:
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/cx_project.jpg
> 
> Visio:
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/visio2002_on_nix.jpg
> 
> mIRC:
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/mirc_linux.jpg
> 
> Outlook:
> http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/outlook_save.jpg
> 

Great!
OTOH:
Good god, while this is surely impressive, what is the real reason you
are using Linux?

regards
Eberhard


> 
> Once my company finally gets on to version 2003 of Exchange (we're on
> 5.5 with a 1.8TB database) then I'll migrate to Evolution or some
> other mail application.

Ok, then you are migrating one by one. That answers (a small part of)
the question.

EbR

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[opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

[opns0246]

Suddenly, from Sunday afternoon, I'm not getting 3D accelleration from my 
nvidia card even though it is installed and 
enabled. In the Xorg.0.log I'm seeing the following

(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so
dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so: undefined symbol: 
_nv69gl
(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so
(II) UnloadModule: "glx"
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)


I have tried reinstalling x11-video-nvidia and nvidia-gfx-kmp-default but it 
doesn't seemed to have helped. Has anyone 
else seen this?

Many thanks,
Chris R.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 7:32 am, Eberhard Roloff wrote:

>>
>
> Great!
> OTOH:
> Good god, while this is surely impressive, what is the real reason you
> are using Linux?

Simple - because Linux sucks less than Windows. :P

Seriously, I only use Project and Visio about once a month. It is just
that - when I need them, I must have them. The rest of the time, I'm
in Firefox, KNode, Netbeans, Amarok, Digikam, Pidgin, and XMame.
(However, my son would have you believe I use XMoto all the time!)

I've been pretty much disappointed with Windows since about '94. It is
just that my career path keeps me in the Windows area.



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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

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> > >> I'll go for not throwing up dependency errors if uninstalling, but it
> > >> definitely needs to be in the default install. Most users will want
> > >> Beagle.
> > >
> > I doubt this - all the users we have hate beagle and either remove it
> > or ask someone to remove it for them.
> 
> Exactly.  Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet
> ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle.  The issue is not whether or not
> these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of
> the major performance impact that happens when Beagle is running.

I use it and "locate" and like it.  I seldom notice it running.  I run
my system 27/7, x86_64 X2.

> I can really see the usefulness of the concept behind Beagle...
> especially for a few end users that I know and help out from time to
> time.  The trade off though... The system performance impact they are
> all reporting is consistent... and it's consistent with my experience.

I guess mine is the only one inconsistent.

> To those that say open a bug report... open it and say what?  Beagle
> is too slow?  Devs will want specifics (and rightly so).  

They *will* ask for specifics and tell you how to get them.  But YOU
must take the first step as they do not know you have a problem.  This
is not the place to make your concerns noticed by the developers.

> I have no specifics other than to say that Beagle is not suitable to
> be used on a regular basis because of the performance impact I and
> every one else I know have experienced which is basically what
> almost everyone here is saying... minus the few who do have Beagle
> working fine.
> 
> I would like to know how they managed it... if the answer is something
> along the lines of "I opened a terminal, su to root, nice -19ed it and
> then issue this other long string of commands..."... sorry... that
> tells me that Beagle should not be given to the masses by default.  If
> it works by default, then why is it working for you and not the rest
> of us?

I don't know, but the developers need to know.  You are the same as
bellyaching about a polition and not voting!

>   What is different?  I install a default install as given me by the
>   openSUSE installer and Beagle is consistently a resource hog... not
>   only on initial boot, but long long after as well.  This is the same
>   (in my experience) on clean installs with no user data, and on my
>   desktop with its 1.2TB of legacy data across 7 drives.  Something
>   doesn't make sense here.

The HELP MAKE SENSE of it.

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[opensuse] Audacity failure in 10.3

[jpff]

I see to have a problem with Audacity (or packman?)

audacity 
audacity: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.6.so.0: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

cardew:/home/jpff # locate libwx_gtk2u_xrc
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0.1.1

==John ffitch
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[opensuse] Keyboard input not working in one KDE account.

[Bruce Samhaber]

Hi, 

I have SUSE 10.1 installed on a machine that has one user accoun that no 
longer gets keyboard input. I rebooted the machine to thinking that it was a 
bad keyboard but the replacement keyboard worked to log into the account but 
does not work once in the account. I logged out of the account and into 
another user account and the keyboard works just fine in the other account. 

Back to the first account and it still only allows me to log into the account 
but does not receive keyboard intput once logged in. This account uses the 
KDEwallet tool for password authentication. I tried to type in a terminal 
window and still no keyboard input. This account is really stuck because once 
the screensaver kicks in with password protection it can not be logged back 
into.

I am able to remotely access the system and the user account, access the file 
system for the troubled user. But I do not know what to do to fix the 
problem. The problem just started yesterday as the machine was left with the 
screensaver on (Clock) and we were away from the machine for a few hours then 
when we came back it was locked-up. The applications that were open were 
Kontact, Konquerer, Firefox.

Any suggestions on how to fix this will be appreciated. 

Thanks,


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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!

[Joe Sloan]

PerfectReign wrote:

> Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
> must-have, Project, if necessary.

Just curious, why would you run ms project under wine, when you could
run open project natively? Have you tried it?

http://openproj.org/openproj

Joe
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[opensuse] Enabling 3D support for Xen kernel-based on 10.3

[Manuel Mely]

Hi,

I installed opensuse 10.3 on my home pc with a xen kernel 2.6.22. I
would like to enable 3d support to my Nvidia Geforce 8500, but i can't
use nvidia kernel modules.
I read about a patch but it's for opensuse 10.2 , and tried to compile
Nvidia drivers + patch without success.
Is there a way to enable 3d support with 10.3??
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[opensuse] what's wrong with the online repositories?

[Sergey Mkrtchyan]

Hi List!

YaST fails to access the online repositories, giving all the time,

Download failed:
Curl Error for http://...
Error Code HTTP response 403

It was the same from yesterdays evening...

Does anybody experience the same?

Thanks.

S
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Re: [opensuse] Audacity failure in 10.3

[Detlef Reichelt]

Am Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:48:41 +
schrieb jpff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I see to have a problem with Audacity (or packman?)

I see a problem with you system ;)
 
> audacity 
> audacity: error while loading shared libraries:
> libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
> file or directory
> 
> cardew:/home/jpff # locate libwx_gtk2u_xrc
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8.so.0.1.1

Please install wxGTK-2.8.4.0, should be done automaticaly, if you use
yast to install audacity.
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Re: [opensuse] what's wrong with the online repositories?

[Markus Koßmann]

Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb Sergey Mkrtchyan:
> Hi List!
>
> YaST fails to access the online repositories, giving all the time,
>
> Download failed:
> Curl Error for http://...
> Error Code HTTP response 403
>
> It was the same from yesterdays evening...
>
> Does anybody experience the same?
The same thing here. If you try to access the URL with a browser, it tells you 
about a serious hardware defect.  
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Re: [opensuse] Audacity failure in 10.3

[jpff]

Arhh!  This machine was recently upgraded from 10.2 and there is
stuff in /usr/local/bin that needs to get removed.  Whish I knew how
to manage this as it has happened before.
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Re: [opensuse] what's wrong with the online repositories?

[Joe Sloan]

Sergey Mkrtchyan wrote:
> Hi List!
> 
> YaST fails to access the online repositories, giving all the time,
> 
> Download failed:
> Curl Error for http://...
> Error Code HTTP response 403
> 
> It was the same from yesterdays evening...
> 
> Does anybody experience the same?

Big hardware failure at opensuse.org - hopefully they have spare parts
and good backups.

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] what's wrong with the online repositories?

[Sergey Mkrtchyan]

Ouch...

Why did I reinstall my system yesterday...

Thanks, anyways, at least now I know it's not because of me...

Sergey

On Jan 14, 2008 1:15 PM, Markus Koßmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb Sergey Mkrtchyan:
>
> > Hi List!
> >
> > YaST fails to access the online repositories, giving all the time,
> >
> > Download failed:
> > Curl Error for http://...
> > Error Code HTTP response 403
> >
> > It was the same from yesterdays evening...
> >
> > Does anybody experience the same?
> The same thing here. If you try to access the URL with a browser, it tells you
> about a serious hardware defect.
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Re: [opensuse] laptop headphones

[Ritchie Fraser]

On Saturday 12 January 2008 17:58:29 Marc Chamberlin wrote:
> Hi -  Well it seems that, on my fancy dancy HP Pavilion laptop, some
> braindead engineer decided it was a good idea to replace/"upgrade" the
> good old fashioned style (tried and true) of audio headphone jacks with
> something that requires software to use it.  What ever happened to the
> KISS principal, in particular that headphone jacks used to ALWAYS simply
> disconnect internal speakers and mechanically reroute sound to the
> headphones when you plugged one into its jack? As you (poor reader) can
> probably surmise I just discovered this "wonderful" feature about my
> laptop because when I plug in my headphones under Windows they work, but
> under SuSE 10.2 it does not.
>
> So guess I got to hold my nose, because this new headphone jack design
> STINKS, IMHO and ask this group for help to gain the advance wisdom
> and knowledge about how to use headphones from some kind guru... This
> SHOULD have been a duck soup simple task and apparently has now become
> yet another fine example of how computers are being redesigned to
> frustrate us poor users---
>
> How do I get my headphones to work under SuSE 10.2 so I can listen to
> music played via Amorak at work (without getting shot by my co-workers
> because they may NOT happen to like my particular tastes)?  I have look
> at the settings in Yast, KMix, KDE's Personal Settings, and fooled
> around with em, all to no avail
>
>   Lost in the headphones wilderness...  Marc...

I had a similar problem with my HP compaq nc6000 when I first got it. 

Try: Start KMix. Navigate onto the Switches tab. Right click and check 
the "Headphone Jack Sense" option and or the "Line Jack Sense".

See http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net/images/headphone_jack_sound.jpg for 
screenshot.

It seems that there are loads of people on the interweb with the same problem. 
Google is your friend here. Search for "linux kmix headphone jack sense"

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Re: [opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

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> Suddenly, from Sunday afternoon, I'm not getting 3D accelleration from
> my nvidia card even though it is installed and enabled. In the
> Xorg.0.log I'm seeing the following

Have you done a recent kernel up/down-grade?

rpm -qa --last |grep kernel

If so, you need to reinstall the version of the NVidia driver you are
using.  I am currently using:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.19-pkg2.run

If you do not know how to install, ask.

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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard input not working in one KDE account.

[Patrick Shanahan]

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* Bruce Samhaber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-08 12:15]:
> I have SUSE 10.1 installed on a machine that has one user accoun that
> no longer gets keyboard input. I rebooted the machine to thinking that
> it was a bad keyboard but the replacement keyboard worked to log into
> the account but does not work once in the account. I logged out of the
> account and into another user account and the keyboard works just fine
> in the other account. 
> 
> Back to the first account and it still only allows me to log into the
> account but does not receive keyboard intput once logged in. This
> account uses the KDEwallet tool for password authentication. I tried
> to type in a terminal window and still no keyboard input. This account
> is really stuck because once the screensaver kicks in with password
> protection it can not be logged back into.
> 
> I am able to remotely access the system and the user account, access
> the file system for the troubled user. But I do not know what to do to
> fix the problem. The problem just started yesterday as the machine was
> left with the screensaver on (Clock) and we were away from the machine
> for a few hours then when we came back it was locked-up. The
> applications that were open were Kontact, Konquerer, Firefox.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to fix this will be appreciated. 

First thing I would try, ssh into troubled account and mv ~/.kde to
~/.kde.keep.  Then log out the account and see if the keyboard works
when you log back in.

If this works, the problem is probably related to a kde setting
related to the display (I'm guessing here).

I have observed similar on my 10.1 x86_64 X2 system, but do not see it
if I let the system complete its login (completely) before I try to
use the keyboard.  But my system is using a kernel from 10.2
(kernel-default-2.6.18.8-396.1)because I did not have usb access with
the kernels available for 10.1.  Funny, would work from the live cd
but would not even complete the install with usb devices attached.

gud luk,

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[opensuse] Can't build nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22.5-31-xen

[Manuel Mely]

If i do a (on /home/mely/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src/nv )

CC="gcc -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT -DNV_SIGNAL_STRUCT_RLIM" make
SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux module

I always get this error:

If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
you either have configured kernel sources matching your
kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
on your system.

If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
installed on your system. If you specified a separate
output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***

make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1

The patch is fine... but i can't make the module.
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> If i do a (on /home/mely/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1/usr/src/nv )
> 
> CC="gcc -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT -DNV_SIGNAL_STRUCT_RLIM" make
> SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux module
> 
> I always get this error:
> 
> If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
> you either have configured kernel sources matching your
> kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
> on your system.

- From your post I would say that you do not have the
kernel-source-2.6.22.5-31-xen installed (the "-xen" may not be
necessary).  Please show the output of:
  rpm -qa |grep kernel
  
btw, cannot check availability of kernel-source- right now as the
download.opensuse.org/repositories site is down with hardware
problems.  I didn't check the mirrors.
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Re: [opensuse] Can't build nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22.5-31-xen

[Manuel Mely]

On 1/14/08, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - From your post I would say that you do not have the
> kernel-source-2.6.22.5-31-xen installed (the "-xen" may not be
> necessary).  Please show the output of:
>   rpm -qa |grep kernel
>

Yes i have kernel-source installed.

holly:/home/mely #  rpm -qa |grep kernel
kernel-default-2.6.22.5-31
kernel-source-2.6.22.5-31
linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-19
kernel-xen-2.6.22.5-31
kernel-syms-2.6.22.5-31

and also:

holly:/home/mely # ls -al /usr/src/
total 20
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root 4096 2008-01-14 07:52 .
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 2008-01-11 07:50 ..
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   17 2008-01-14 07:52 linux -> linux-2.6.22.5-31

The symlink is fine.

> btw, cannot check availability of kernel-source- right now as the
> download.opensuse.org/repositories site is down with hardware
> problems.  I didn't check the mirrors.

Yes they have problems with their sites.
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Re: [opensuse] Can't build nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22.5-31-xen

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Manuel Mely schrieb:

| Yes they have problems with their sites.

ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de is working.

And just for the record: there is also a driver repository from nvidia
itself. Link: http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.3

I usually configure the source in order to compile any kernel module
like that:

cd /usr/src/linux
make mrproper
make cloneconfig
make prepare-all

However I got not clue whether the nvidia driver needs that or not.

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OpenProject (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!)

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:17 am, Joe Sloan wrote:
> PerfectReign wrote:
>
>> Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
>> must-have, Project, if necessary.
>
> Just curious, why would you run ms project under wine, when you could
> run open project natively? Have you tried it?
>
> http://openproj.org/openproj
>

Joe, that would be very cool. I hadn't heard of it prior.  I just
tried downloading it, however, to test on a project file I just
updated.  Unfortunately, I got a nasty Java error. I ran it from the
cli as superuser to see what the error was...

jabba:/home/kai # openproj
Java auto-detection...
Checking /usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin/java
Java version: 1.5.0_13 OK
Java implementation: Java(TM) OK
Java OK
Could not create the Java virtual machine.

Any ideas?





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Re: [opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

[Chris Ross]

I missed out the information that this is OpenSuSE 10.2

Patrick Shanahan escreveu:

Have you done a recent kernel up/down-grade?


No. The story as I have it from my 11 year old is that he was playing X2 
when it "just froze" so he switched the computer off and on again (which 
he /has/ been told never to do). So far as I can tell, it's been like 
this since.



rpm -qa --last |grep kernel


$ rpm -qa --last | grep kernel
kernel-default-2.6.18.8-0.7   Sun 16 Dec 2007 21:44:25 GMT
kernel-source-2.6.18.8-0.7Mon 10 Dec 2007 23:35:37 GMT
kernel-docs-2.6.18.2-34   Sun 24 Dec 2006 13:48:12 GMT
linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18.2-3   Sun 24 Dec 2006 13:46:44 GMT



If so, you need to reinstall the version of the NVidia driver you are
using.  I am currently using:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.19-pkg2.run


I already tried that. I even went back to the instructions on the 
openSuSE web site to make sure I was doing it right, had the right 
modules for the card etc.


$ rpm -qa --last | grep nvidia
x11-video-nvidia-1.0.9639-0.1  Mon 14 Jan 2008 09:56:41 GMT
nvidia-gfx-kmp-default-1.0.9639_2.6.18.8_0.7-0.1 Mon 14 Jan 2008 
09:55:51 GMT



Do you think reinstalling the kernel might help?

Many thanks,
Chris R.

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 and powermanagement

[Philippe Landau]

Hans Petter Jansson wrote:

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 06:09 +0100, Philippe Landau wrote:

Hans Petter Jansson wrote:



I haven't tried it, but I can't see any immediate reason why it
would'nt. The package name is "gnome-power-manager", and you can start
it from the command line using that same string. It should pop up an
icon with both right- and left-click menus in the system tray.
 

Would he be better off calling it via Alt-F2 ?

Yes. I just didn't know if KDE used alt-f2 or some other shortcut.

It does :-)

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 05:03:11 am Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Monday 14 January 2008 02:22:18 am Clayton wrote:
> >> I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
> >> noticeable impact on performance... how?
> >
> > It seems that you monitor Beagle in a first time after installation.
> > Though there is pops up note telling that computer will be slower in a
> > first few minutes. Later on you shouldn't notice indexing.
> >
> > Though that it should be optional as you suggested in another post as the
> > version is 'beagle-0.2.18-30' which by any interpretation of version
> > string is early development. On the other hand, how many people will ever
> > attempt to test software with so low version (except Linux users)?
>
> Which brings back the question...
>
> Why in the hell is Beagle part of the default installation?
>
> it's 0.2 level, and it runs like complete crap.

The problem is that I don't see any bug report mentioned here, and right now I 
can't help. 

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Rajko M.]

On Monday 14 January 2008 05:35:30 am Clayton wrote:
> > > I see a few people here saying Beagle runs fine for them with no
> > > noticeable impact on performance... how?
> >
> > It seems that you monitor Beagle in a first time after installation.
> > Though there is pops up note telling that computer will be slower in a
> > first few minutes. Later on you shouldn't notice indexing.
>
> I let Beagle run longer than 24h on the dual core system.  System
> response remained horrible.  A friend installed 10.2 and then updated
> everything including Beagle... it ran for a couple of weeks with
> Beagle killing his system performance before he called and asked what
> was wrong.  So, I am not talking 30 seconds of annoyance here... this
> is days of uptime on fast machines... and weeks on slower machines.
>
> > version is 'beagle-0.2.18-30' which by any interpretation of version
> > string is early development. On the other hand, how many people will ever
> > attempt to test software with so low version (except Linux users)?
>
> Test by choice is a good thing... lots of us here install from Factory
> just to see what works.  I have a VM I do that in all the time.  Lots
> of things break and I have to roll back to a previous snapshot (which
> is why I like to use a VM instead of a native system)
>
> Setting it as part of the default install makes the new users test it
> as well.  That isn't giving the new user a lot of choice.
>
> > > with basically no data, but about 1.2TB of data on other mount points.
> >
> >Which you could tell beagle not to index. That's a lot of data.
>
> True, but a significant portion of it is video.  Mostly very large
> files eating up a lot of that diskspace not millions of small text
> files that need to be indexed.  Indexing 2 or 3 hundred binary video
> files should not take that long.
>

Clayton, 

here is the link to couple of bugs for 10.3 with word 'beagle' in description 
please look at it. Add your own if none does not describe your experience.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=beagle&long_desc_type=fulltext&long_desc=&classification=openSUSE&product=openSUSE+10.3&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=anywords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=

Endless complains here have no much sense. It makes complains look like a 
lobbing, that is trying to discredit Beagel in order to advance some other 
technology. 

I have few machines and I can't confirm 99% CPU usage 100% of time on any of 
them. On this one it is comming up every few seconds (5-10s) and uses 10-30% 
of CPU. 

I have no time right now to retreive numbers for other machines, but it is 
just not that intrusive to make machine run slow. I use no special tweaking, 
it is just stock 10.3 installation. 

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[opensuse] Updates..........

[Fred A. Miller]

What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list of
community sites!!

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Beagle under 10.3 is really eating up my CPU

[Alexey Eremenko]

Yes, BTW, beagle is eating my CPU too... and I really would like to
see this feature _disabled by default_ in the upcoming openSUSE 11.0.

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Re: [opensuse] Why beagle?

[Bjørn Lie]

man, 14.01.2008 kl. 16.03 +0100, skrev Clayton:
snip
> Exactly.  Other than a few on this mailing list, I have yet to meet
> ANYONE who likes or uses Beagle.  The issue is not whether or not
> these people do or do not use a desktop search tool... it's because of
> the major performance impact that happens when Beagle is running.
> 
> I can really see the usefulness of the concept behind Beagle...
> especially for a few end users that I know and help out from time to
> time.  The trade off though... The system performance impact they are
> all reporting is consistent... and it's consistent with my experience.
> 
> To those that say open a bug report... open it and say what?  Beagle
> is too slow?  Devs will want specifics (and rightly so).  I have no
> specifics other than to say that Beagle is not suitable to be used on
> a regular basis because of the performance impact I and every one else
> I know have experienced which is basically what almost everyone
> here is saying... minus the few who do have Beagle working fine.
> 
snip

I have no problems with Beagle, works like a charm, and I like it a lot!

I'll admitt that I've had one -1- issue with it, when it made my box a
slow hog, and that was when someone sent me a borked .doc file, that
made beagle choke. Deleted the file, and no, none, whatsoever problems
since.

That this can happen is known as far as I could find out, so I didn't
file a bug. + the devs want the broken file in the bug, and the content
in this file was not something I could put out in the wild.

What you have to remember is that us that have no problems with beagle
are not vocal about it. People tend to only speak up when they encounter
issues, the reminder of the time we keep our mouth shut.
The reason for me speaking up now is that this never ending trolling
against beagle has to stop.

Bjørn 

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[opensuse] Postfix: howto allow 1 user or IP to relay across my server

[David C. Rankin]

List, Sandy,

	I have one user in Plano that needs to relay mail outbound from/across 
my server. He has an account on the server and comes in from a fixed IP. 
How can I configure postfix to allow this user to send mail outbound 
from my server?


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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[Marcus Meissner]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 03:29:50PM -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list of
> community sites!!

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2008-01/msg6.html

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: OpenProject (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!)

[Joe Sloan]

PerfectReign wrote:
> On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:17 am, Joe Sloan wrote:
>> PerfectReign wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
>>> must-have, Project, if necessary.
>> Just curious, why would you run ms project under wine, when you could
>> run open project natively? Have you tried it?
>>
>> http://openproj.org/openproj
>>
> 
> Joe, that would be very cool. I hadn't heard of it prior.  I just
> tried downloading it, however, to test on a project file I just
> updated.  Unfortunately, I got a nasty Java error. I ran it from the
> cli as superuser to see what the error was...
> 
> jabba:/home/kai # openproj
> Java auto-detection...
> Checking /usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin/java
> Java version: 1.5.0_13 OK
> Java implementation: Java(TM) OK
> Java OK
> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
> 
> Any ideas?

hmm that's odd - is this some sort of virtual machine or something?

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[Randall R Schulz]

On Monday 14 January 2008 12:29, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list
> of community sites!!
>
> Fred

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[opensuse-announce] ftp/stage/download.opensuse.org hardware failure
From: Adrian Schröter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  (SUSE Linux Products GmbH)
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I am sorry to inform you that we have currently a bigger hardware 
failure of the raid system, which provides the content of 
ftp.opensuse.org and stage.opensuse.org.

As a side effect, also the redirector download.opensuse.org is currently 
down. This leads to error messages, if you have added any extra 
repositories in your openSUSE installation.

We work on resolving this, but we have currently not the needed hardware 
to replace it. The raid will become available again tomorrow, if the 
night over express succeeds.

Sorry for that
adrian

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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[James Knott]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list of
> community sites!!
>
> Fred
>
>   
They're probably running Beagle.  ;-)


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[opensuse] email to fax

[Maura Edelweiss Monville]

I have enrolled with a company service providing me
with the facility of receiving faxed material directly
to my home computer as an email attachment.
I wonder whether the other way round is possible as
well.
That is I would like to send some material to a
regular fax machine from my computer.

I saw some mentioning in the ForgeNet web site.

Any suggestion, please ?
Possibly something straightforward to install and use.
I have zero time to play around with hard
installations.

Thank you in advance,
Maura 


Maura Edelweiss M.

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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 12:29 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list
> of
> community sites!!
>

beagle is trying to index the files on the site

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Re: [opensuse] Updates..........

[Hans Witvliet]

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 15:48 -0500, James Knott wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > What's going on with the openSUSE sites..can't even d'l the list of
> > community sites!!

A local mirror only takes about 400GB.
(and some bandwidth ;-)
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Re: [opensuse] email to fax

[Tony Alfrey]

Maura Edelweiss Monville wrote:

I have enrolled with a company service providing me
with the facility of receiving faxed material directly
to my home computer as an email attachment.
I wonder whether the other way round is possible as
well.


The same company should have this service.  For example, I use eFax in 
the US to do this.  But it should work anywhere.  I just put the fax 
number ahead of @efaxsend.com and I send off the email to that address 
and it is done.  They also have a fancy GUI app that I don't bother with.




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Re: OpenProject (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!)

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 12:39 pm, Joe Sloan wrote:
> PerfectReign wrote:
>> On Mon, January 14, 2008 9:17 am, Joe Sloan wrote:
>>> PerfectReign wrote:
>>>
 Yes, you can run Excel and the all-important Outlook, and my other
 must-have, Project, if necessary.
>>> Just curious, why would you run ms project under wine, when you
>>> could
>>> run open project natively? Have you tried it?
>>>
>>> http://openproj.org/openproj
>>>
>>
>> Joe, that would be very cool. I hadn't heard of it prior.  I just
>> tried downloading it, however, to test on a project file I just
>> updated.  Unfortunately, I got a nasty Java error. I ran it from the
>> cli as superuser to see what the error was...
>>
>> jabba:/home/kai # openproj
>> Java auto-detection...
>> Checking /usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin/java
>> Java version: 1.5.0_13 OK
>> Java implementation: Java(TM) OK
>> Java OK
>> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> hmm that's odd - is this some sort of virtual machine or something?
>

Unknown. I'll spend a bit more time playing with it tonight.

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Re: OpenProject (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!)

[Joe Sloan]

PerfectReign wrote:

>>> jabba:/home/kai # openproj
>>> Java auto-detection...
>>> Checking /usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin/java
>>> Java version: 1.5.0_13 OK
>>> Java implementation: Java(TM) OK
>>> Java OK
>>> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>> hmm that's odd - is this some sort of virtual machine or something?
>>
> 
> Unknown. I'll spend a bit more time playing with it tonight.

You don't know whether you've installed it on a real machine or a
virtual machine?

Joe


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Re: OpenProject (WAS: Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE4 Remoting: Fantastic!)

[PerfectReign]

On Mon, January 14, 2008 1:39 pm, Joe Sloan wrote:
> PerfectReign wrote:
>
 jabba:/home/kai # openproj
 Java auto-detection...
 Checking /usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin/java
 Java version: 1.5.0_13 OK
 Java implementation: Java(TM) OK
 Java OK
 Could not create the Java virtual machine.

 Any ideas?
>>> hmm that's odd - is this some sort of virtual machine or something?
>>>
>>
>> Unknown. I'll spend a bit more time playing with it tonight.
>
> You don't know whether you've installed it on a real machine or a
> virtual machine?

LOL!

My apologies. I was thinking of the JVM.

Yes, this instance is running on a VMWare session.

Let me install on my other workstation. Need to install java on that one.




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Re: [opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

[Chris Ross]

Patrick Shanahan escreveu:

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If so, you need to reinstall the version of the NVidia driver you are
using.  I am currently using:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.19-pkg2.run


OK, I have now reinstalled the kernel and both nvidia modules, rebooted, 
rechecked the settings in YaST->Hardware->Graphics Card and Monitor but 
still the same error.


# rpm -qa --last *nvidia* *kernel*
nvidia-gfx-kmp-default-1.0.9639_2.6.18.8_0.7-0.1 Mon Jan 14 21:34:22 2008
x11-video-nvidia-1.0.9639-0.1 Mon Jan 14 21:33:49 2008
kernel-default-2.6.18.8-0.7   Mon Jan 14 20:45:07 2008
kernel-source-2.6.18.8-0.7Mon Dec 10 23:35:37 2007
kernel-docs-2.6.18.2-34   Sun Dec 24 13:48:12 2006
linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18.2-3   Sun Dec 24 13:46:44 2006

# grep glx /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so
dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so: undefined 
symbol: _nv69gl

(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates/extensions//libglx.so
(II) UnloadModule: "glx"
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)


I really would be grateful if someone out there could offer more clues!

Many thanks,
Chris R.
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Re: [opensuse] Postfix: howto allow 1 user or IP to relay across my server

[Sandy Drobic]

David C. Rankin wrote:

List, Sandy,

I have one user in Plano that needs to relay mail outbound 
from/across my server. He has an account on the server and comes in from 
a fixed IP. How can I configure postfix to allow this user to send mail 
outbound from my server?


smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
permit_mynetworks,
permit_sasl_authenticated,
check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/clients_relay_allowed
reject_unauth_destination,


/etc/postfix/clients_relay_allowed:
#These clients are allowed to relay!
1.2.3.4 OK

You can either let him authenticate (permit_sasl_authenticated) or you add him 
in clients_relay_allowed. As log as it happens before 
reject_unauth_destination. I would prefer to let him authenticate.


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Re: [opensuse] Can't build nvidia driver on kernel 2.6.22.5-31-xen

[Manuel Mely]

On 1/14/08, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might try:
>
> go to:  http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
>  and dl the driver for your arch 32/64 ??
>
> change to runlevel 3 as root (init 3)
> sh /location/of/nvidia.driver/driver.run -y
>
> answer questions
>
> when finished, init 5
>
> and you should be back with the 3d driver

Do you think this will work with a xen kernel-based?? I think i tried
without success. I got the same compilation error. Anyway i will try
it again.
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Re: [opensuse] libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv000069gl

[Patrick Shanahan]

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* Chris Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-08 15:03]:
> 
> $ rpm -qa --last | grep nvidia
> x11-video-nvidia-1.0.9639-0.1  Mon 14 Jan 2008 09:56:41 GMT
> nvidia-gfx-kmp-default-1.0.9639_2.6.18.8_0.7-0.1 Mon 14 Jan 2008 
> 09:55:51 GMT
> 
> 
> Do you think reinstalling the kernel might help?

no, but you might try reinstalling xorg-x11-server-glx which is the
owner of the file, libglx.so, giving the error.

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