Re: [opensuse-marketing] Some ideas about People of openSUSE
Hey, On 29.05.19 12:31, zerocon wrote: > I'd like to hear your thoughts, I'm very concerned that this will be super awesome! ;-) I found that "fill out this form" style also awkward, from the reader but also from the subject perspective. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-ruby] How to run current versions of ruby on Leap
Hey, On 04.07.2017 13:23, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Montag, 3. Juli 2017 18:01:22 CEST Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 01.07.2017 23:45, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: >>> It would be great, if we would have a nicer Ruby experience out of the box, but I like the setup you described. This results in a nice experience. How about we write orr (openSUSE rvm replacement) that helps you switch between versions. Sounds like fun, next Hack Week... That was my thought as well. Started to pull it up -> https://github.com/hennevogel/orr No functionality yet but I keep at it, contribute if you can :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ruby+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ruby+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-ruby] How to run current versions of ruby on Leap
Hey, On 27.06.2017 16:13, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: What is our stance on this? Are there any pointers? Install the packaged version you want. Handle ruby by linking it into a directory that is in front of your path. ln -sf /usr/bin/ruby.ruby$VERSION ~/bin/ruby ln -sf /usr/bin/gem.ruby$VERSION ~/bin/gem Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ruby+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ruby+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Activity-Responsiveness-Readiness
Hey, On 28.06.2016 16:57, aelaric wrote: We need an active effort to get the openSUSE web pages up to date and we need a well defined route to openSUSE advocacy for new recruits I guess you are talking about this 'web page' https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Advocates which is a wiki page with an Edit button you can use :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Old (really old) SUSE pictures
Hey Bryan, On 14.04.2015 19:20, Bryan Lunduke wrote: I'm working on a series of posts showcasing the awesome history of SUSE and openSUSE... and I'm in need of pictures (screenshots, box shots, pictures of floppy disks, flyers, etc.) from prior to 1998 (which is when SuSE Linux 6.0 shipped). You know about the physical SUSE museum in Nürnberg right? http://tmp.hennevogel.de/collage-1429534816827.jpg Just send one of your colleagues to take pictures :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Popularity of Linux distributions
Hey, On 09.04.2015 08:44, Douglas DeMaio wrote: Are there any measurement applications we use on our website to assess our web traffic? Yes we use Piwik[1] on http://beans.opensuse.org Henne [1] http://piwik.org/ -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Popularity of Linux distributions
Hey, On 08.04.2015 19:56, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Wednesday 08 April 2015 17:06:21 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 08.04.2015 14:32, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: Computer enthusiast is our target market. People who aren't computer enthusiasts simply don't use our products. Agreed? Agreed. The one thing, where I would see a need for clarification is targeting developers. That's something which comes up quite a bit (although it doesn't in the strategy document). But I don't think we reach these people. I think we do next to nothing for developers in our 'marketing'. That might be the reason we don't reach them ;-) Anyway segmenting our target market is something that requires thought, research, comparison and in the end benchmarking. This isn't something you should do in between a couple of mails. We should try to get a couple of people together at oSC15 and see if we can make this fly. Who would be interested in creating a marketing plan? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Popularity of Linux distributions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey, On 08.04.2015 18:13, Hans de Raad wrote: Computer enthusiast is our target market. People who aren't computer enthusiasts simply don't use our products. Agreed? Henne, what would be your suggestion for the segmentation? I have none as I haven't invested time into this. In general it's always a good idea to come up with a marketing plan that targets segments which * we can identify (demographics, behavior, lifestyle, interests etc.) * we can measure (size, evolution, responsiveness) * we can easily reach (which media do they consume, which conferences do they visit etc.) * should not change too quickly How would we move ahead and approach these more targeted? You would think about what you can do for the segment and what they can do for you. Then, in our field, you go ahead and try to create win-win situations. Henne - -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlUmdf4ACgkQnWFkwpVfreBWvgCfZjpRweOf7Qu50dZjo9c/HxyQ H4QAnjysnfQusgs8Iwd8yag+ogmMQrBY =UtBJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Popularity of Linux distributions
Hey, On 08.04.2015 14:32, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2013/05/20/ranking-linux-distributions-and-the-decline-of-the-traditional-distros/ Of course you can debate the method and the accuracy of the data, but I think it gives some interesting insights. I find his methodology more than, how to put this gentle, questionable? :-) Linux enthusiasts is a target audience where we can shine with our mix of making things simple (e.g. YaST) and providing powerful tools (e.g. OBS). It might be worth to consider that in our marketing and strategy more. Our current strategy and marketing already tries to cater to users who are interested in computers and want to get work done, experiment or learn.[1] So does nearly all of our messaging IMHO. Computer enthusiast is our target market. People who aren't computer enthusiasts simply don't use our products. Agreed? I think we need to further segment the 'computer enthusiast' market and find smaller segments to address more aggressively... Henne [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE on Bad Voltage
Bryan, On 11.03.2015 19:16, Bryan Lunduke wrote: we probably won't have the time to pull together the needed sponsors to cover the airfare With openSUSEs travel support program[1] covering airfare happens faster than you can say Tomato juice! The money part of the equation shouldn't be an issue, would that make it more likely? Henne [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Travel_Support_Program -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Diaspora Screenshot projects
Hey, On 11.02.2015 19:37, Nenad Latinović wrote: I think we should push further with the marketing on social networks. I see that G+, TW and FB people are doing a hell of a work. Since I'm more active on and familiar with Diaspora, I'd like to create run an official openSUSE Diaspora account. *Who do I need to run it through?* I'd be posting news and such, pretty much the same as on other social media sites. We already have an diaspora account on diasp.org (nobody uses it). I can give you access to it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: Marketing Push for openSUSE [Suggestions opinions]
Hey, On 18.12.2014 07:54, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote: @Henne: I have got some technical backgound. Can you say, what you want to do with all the plugins? What is exactly your idea? May Idea is, similar to Nenads, to refresh the look feel and the content of news.opensuse.org, network the blogs we have and introduce an editorial work flow. Currently openSUSE has a lot of disconnected sources of content Internal (under our direct control) * news.opensuse.org * lizards.opensuse.org External (personal stuff) * planet.opensuse.org * Twitter * G+ * Facebook * Youtube each of those has different people who can put content onto them and supposedly a slightly different purpose and audience. News suggests it's the 'official' content, lizards is personal content with a clear focus on openSUSE, planet is just personal content. In reality these mix (News contains personal content, lizards and planet contain official announcements) then throw in the all social networks which also carry content and you end up with the situation we have now: 1. There is no way to effortless stay up to date with openSUSE 2. We always reach only a fraction of the people we could reach with our content. My idea is that we start connecting all the places and make news.opensuse.org the spot for the most interesting content of any kind and source. The newspaper front page of openSUSE so to speak. That way we can maximize attractiveness and the throughput of News and making it easy to stay up to date with stuff that happens around openSUSE. It would also be way easier to feed our own social network accounts with relevant content. This requires us to do 3 things: 1. To make News the hub it should be, we add the pressforward plugin, add the XML feeds of the external places to it, then start re-releasing the awesome content our community produces. 2. To help the News team to produce better original we merge the now separate lizards and news wordpress blogs into a wordpress network. Then install the editflow plugin and introduce an editorial workflow. Which means people from the network (all news lizards authors!) can 'propose' content for News to the News team. 3. To make this consumable for our readers we would have to redesign news as it won't be a simple blog anymore but more a traditional news site. I hope this makes more sense now. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: Marketing Push for openSUSE [Suggestions opinions]
Hey, On 11.12.2014 15:12, Nenad Latinović wrote: - keeping news.o.o only for directly project-related news - creating a less formal news site, which would cover all kinds of news Hm but then every article you write for this new news.opensuse.org will also have to end up on the new telegraph.opensuse.org right? I mean directly project-related news are the most important news... Hence I doubt the purpose of news as kind of filter. There are other means to achieve this. Categories for instance :-) With the rest I agree a 100%. Additionally I would like to introduce a editorial workflow for news.o.o. Something like http://editflow.org/ http://pressforward.org/ http://www.oasisworkflow.com/ And merge lizards + news into a WP network http://codex.wordpress.org/Create_A_Network But as with everything else, this is a lot of work and I'm alone on the technical side... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE spin
Hey, On 05.12.2014 11:47, Ish Sookun wrote: I am thinking of creating an openSUSE spin loaded with the popular applications here on the island. These would include proprietary apps like Skype, Flash Player etc. I am thus wondering if I can do that all while keeping the openSUSE logo. No you can't. Have a look at our trademark guidelines: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines Especially section 3.2 Distributing openSUSE With Modifications. Is it ok to have an unofficial openSUSE spin loaded with proprietary software? You are free to do whatever you are allowed to do and want :-) I doubt that you are allowed to redistribute any of the proprietary software you've mentioned but that is something that only you can know. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Release party Poster
Hey, On 07.11.2014 03:57, alanbortu wrote: And a white version with bigger text on the top... http://paste.opensuse.org/33434671 Nice Clean, that's how we roll. Great work Uzair! :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Zorp GSoC news
Hey Peter, On 19.08.2014 13:04, Peter Czanik wrote: Reading https://news.opensuse.org/2014/08/14/gsoc-what-i-have-learned/ I asked our GSoC student to write up a summary of his work on Zorp, which he did under the openSUSE GSoC umbrella. It's almost ready, so I'd like to ask, who should we contact to post it on news.opensuse.org As always the openSUSE News Team n...@opensuse.org Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Hey, On 18.08.2014 10:38, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote: or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done? Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for... Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ??? I would say 24 man hours/3 working days. How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ? Well if you're a noob and you don't know what you're doing it's not going to happen. This is not a task for inexperienced people :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Hey, On 19.08.2014 07:10, Kostas Koudaras wrote: 2014-08-18 11:38 GMT+03:00 Bruno Friedmann br...@ioda-net.ch: On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote: 1. For now (110+ responses), the quality of the news is rated somewhere between 3 and 4. (both tied, but there are 9 responses for 1 and 2, and only 6 for 5). That's good :-) 3. There are currently a vast majority of wishes for news to be published only a couple of times/week instead of every day, or once a week. Hmmm so we're back to square 345 and the monthly magazine idea. I guess we should do both... Yeap we should, I think I have a Gdoc about the monthly magazine somewhere or else I have notes from previous conversations we had, Sure unfortunatelly this month is a rough month full of work away from wifi. No worries, just keep it from burning down completely :P The main problem here is manpower but this is something we could walk through if the planning is good. Nothing happens if you don't invest anything. That's just plain physics. Definatelly this is something we should look into it in the upcomming Marketing Hackfest... When is that? And now for the most important part: In the 'write your opinion' section, the most recurring responses are that non-technical and technical news should be treated equally, so I guess we'd need a power-user who's willing to write for n.o.o. regularly. The other is that series like the past CLT and similar don't belong on the news site, but there are suggestions to either create a separate site like omgubuntu of fedoraftw, or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done? There was an OMG openSUSE page but at the end we were just a couple of people writing to is so the guy who made it just throw it away. With the exception of part of the Summer I could help on writing as I told you before. Yes another failure because of missing man power My opinion and it is one thing I also wanted for the magazine is to form a Team, make regular meetings in the Marketing Channel(IRC) as we did before, throw all the ideas about what we thing we should do and plan how and when we will release that. What do you think? Pulling this off needs planing yes. -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Hey, On 19.08.2014 14:11, Nenad Latinović wrote: Just one question, so i clarify, as maybe my english messed up. The majority is for news a couple of days a week, not once a week :) Whatever the frequency is. People tend to like digests more then a constant stream apparently. As for something, before i contemplate it further, if we did sort of separate issues, like news.o.o and something slightly OMG-ish, how hard would it be to get a separate page on opensuse.org? Like omg.opensuse.org? And theming it? I'm going to give you the Developer answer: Depends :-D Depends on what we want from that page, how far we can come with standard tools, templates etc. As for the magazine idea - that was thought of as being separate? A full-blown openSUSE magazine? Sounds terrific! This was to be an online magazine for which we gather articles for a longer period of time (a month), then release it all at some specific date. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Hey, On 19.08.2014 17:36, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2014 13.47:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 18.08.2014 10:38, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote: or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done? Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for... Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ??? I would say 24 man hours/3 working days. How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ? Well if you're a noob and you don't know what you're doing it's not going to happen. This is not a task for inexperienced people :-) I mean noobs in the sense of how infrastructure is done, and what there's in it. If this task is absolutely not for inexperienced people, We are talking about merging two wordpress instances into a wordpress multisite network. You need experience in wordpress, PHP, HTML, CSS, SQL. and need infrastructure access, then it will never be possible for community to take the challenge. Ah c'mon, how often do we have to repeat this :-/ Working on the openSUSE infrastructure happens on https://github.com/openSUSE/. Everyone can do it. So to free up time for making this happen, what's the solution ( read which ring I've to bell ) People doing it. Dunno which bell that is... And who as experienced people, can mentor and drive the right actions ? I don't know. Any wordpress experts around? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Hey, On 19.08.2014 18:36, Nenad Latinović wrote: Quoting Henne Vogelsang hvo...@opensuse.org: On 19.08.2014 14:11, Nenad Latinović wrote: As for something, before i contemplate it further, if we did sort of separate issues, like news.o.o and something slightly OMG-ish, how hard would it be to get a separate page on opensuse.org? Like omg.opensuse.org? And theming it? I'm going to give you the Developer answer: Depends :-D Depends on what we want from that page, how far we can come with standard tools, templates etc. Basically, I was thinking about something like this: https://www.suse.com/communities/ - a news site with some lighhearted content, with columns and such. people from openSUSE itnerviews etc. you get the drift. SUSE Communities is an Wordpress Multisite Network :-) For an estimation of mergin news.o.o and lizards.o.o into one multisite network, see my other mail. And as for the theme, i think a wp theme would suffice. + i don't know who designed the asian summit theme, and the Dubrovnik site, but i was thinking something along that lines, very modern, but also 'bloggish', with squares/columns, so news don't get lost too quickly. If it can be done at all. Everything can be done. The problem is that no one is doing it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
Yo, On 19.08.2014 20:20, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2014 18.50:26 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 19.08.2014 17:36, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2014 13.47:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 18.08.2014 10:38, Bruno Friedmann wrote: On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote: or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done? Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for... Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ??? I would say 24 man hours/3 working days. How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ? Well if you're a noob and you don't know what you're doing it's not going to happen. This is not a task for inexperienced people :-) I mean noobs in the sense of how infrastructure is done, and what there's in it. If this task is absolutely not for inexperienced people, We are talking about merging two wordpress instances into a wordpress multisite network. You need experience in wordpress, PHP, HTML, CSS, SQL. to be accurate mySQL/mariadb wordpress has never understood other engine like postgreSQL ;-) Smartass :P and need infrastructure access, then it will never be possible for community to take the challenge. Ah c'mon, how often do we have to repeat this :-/ Working on the openSUSE infrastructure happens on https://github.com/openSUSE/. Everyone can do it. Yeap that equivalent to said, the doc is in the wiki :-))) (me joking you know that) ... Okay specifically if I'm looking in https://github.com/openSUSE/lizards I'm seeing there lots of https://github.com/openSUSE/lizards/blob/master/index.html%3Fp%3D10255.html which doesn't seems to make sense that much except if they are needed as statique pages, but then why ? I don't know. I guess this explains what is is https://github.com/openSUSE/lizards/commit/d896c2bb9f492b364da507a978395228d051db42 and whom to ask whats going on. So to free up time for making this happen, what's the solution ( read which ring I've to bell ) People doing it. Dunno which bell that is... And who as experienced people, can mentor and drive the right actions ? I don't know. Any wordpress experts around? I've drop the last instance of wordpress on my own infrastructure one year ago but still have some knowledge :-) As you said about suse communities, perhaps we can grab some help or advise about what they have done there ? It's not rocket science. Just a wordpress multisite network and a couple of meta blogs and plugins Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] doing
Salut Françoise, On 19.08.2014 19:42, Françoise Wybrecht wrote: On 19/08/2014 19:18, Henne Vogelsang wrote: Everything can be done. The problem is that no one is doing it. doing it is sometimes a question of time, but mostly a question of motivation. I don't know, I guess it's a highly personal matter. I might have no time, you might have no motivation, someone else might be to scared to step up. Also depends on the topic I guess... and ... if the problem of not doing is coming again again perhaps it could be an idea to reduce the TODO boring list, What is a TODO boring list? or ... to brainstorm on how to bring the fun back. Brainstorm away! Have fun ;-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: News Survey - Responses - Part 1
On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote: 1. For now (110+ responses), the quality of the news is rated somewhere between 3 and 4. (both tied, but there are 9 responses for 1 and 2, and only 6 for 5). That's good :-) 3. There are currently a vast majority of wishes for news to be published only a couple of times/week instead of every day, or once a week. Hmmm so we're back to square 345 and the monthly magazine idea. I guess we should do both... 4. The site's appearance is rated nearly 50 for 4, and 30+ for 3. About twenty percent want an overhaul, the same are against it, while 50+ % think the appearance is not important, but only content. I guess that's because most of them read through an RSS feed reader. Page visits are pretty low anyway... And now for the most important part: In the 'write your opinion' section, the most recurring responses are that non-technical and technical news should be treated equally, so I guess we'd need a power-user who's willing to write for n.o.o. regularly. The other is that series like the past CLT and similar don't belong on the news site, but there are suggestions to either create a separate site like omgubuntu of fedoraftw, or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done? Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: News Items Public Opinion Poll
Hey, On 12.08.2014 11:45, Nenad Latinović wrote: Hey guys. What I'd like to know is if it would be OK if i set up a poll in which we could see what kind of content our readers would like to read about? Is it app reviews, more technical items or artwork or...? I'd set it up on google survey, unless there's a better option. If it's just a poll, how about connect.opensuse.org? :-) We could also install a wordpress poll plugin. Actually that would be what I would prefer. Do you aggree? Sure, go for it! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] regular Factory news?
Hey, On 01.08.2014 23:06, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote: On 08/01/2014 10:07 AM, Ludwig Nussel wrote: I was wondering how to keep spreading the word about Factory. If we'd generate a diff of the package changelogs between the published snapshots, would it make sense resp would anyone be interested in working that up and blog on lizards or make posts to news.o.o if there are noteworthy changes? On the one hand, it could be argued that news.o.o is not the place for that since it's not really news, just the natural flow of Factory. Huh? It could be argued but only if you want to make a really stupid argument ;-) On the other hand, we are publishing a serial about console tricks and planning that app of the week one. You seem to misunderstand what news.o.o is about. It's a blog about all things openSUSE. It's not limited to a specific topic, never has been, never will be. We're a way to diverse community for that. So I'm all for having our equivalent to KDE's Commit-Digest [1] That's a nice idea. Are you going to do that? If yes the News Team is more than willing to help you with the nitty gritty details! :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [NEWS SUGGESTION] Commandline Mondays
Hey Manu, On 27.05.2014 16:58, Manu Gupta wrote: Please use opensuse-marketing Says who? So far we used the news@ mailing list for coordination of news.o.o content, if we want to use opensuse-marketing from now on I would like to discuss this in the news team first. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] openBrand Tool
Hey, just stumbled upon this: https://openbrand.com Sounds like a nice tool to collaborate on the brand and materials. Maybe someone finds some time to evaluate it... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Is linkedin a market target ?
Hey, On 06.05.2014 17:34, Françoise Wybrecht wrote: what do you think of that ? Could we boost a bit this group ? Don't ask, just do it[tm]! :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] A few words about the OSC brainstorming/marketing
Hey, On 06.05.2014 17:30, Françoise Wybrecht wrote: any answer ? Ideas ? Any others things said I did miss ? We're talking about this topic for the 100th time now. For the 100th time we will come up with 100 good ideas what we can do. And each and every time nobody will do them afterward. How about we go about this differently this time? 5 simple steps: 1. Grab a coffee, a piece of paper and a pen. Find a quiet place outside to sit down. 2. Write down all the things YOU think need to be done for openSUSE marketing 3. Take a walk for 15 minutes and think about which of the things you just wrote down would be most fun to do for YOU. 4. Write a mail to this list about what YOU are going to do 5. YOU go do it and keep this list informed about progress. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] A few words about the OSC brainstorming/marketing
Hey, On 07.05.2014 13:04, Jasna Benčić wrote: I'd like to create and maintain openSUSE conference fan page on Facebook because I haven't found one unless I have missed it. Is that what you are looking for? https://www.facebook.com/events/581478758605508/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] A few words about the OSC brainstorming/marketing
Hey Jasna, On 07.05.2014 14:03, Jasna Benčić wrote: That is the event page where you invite everyone and it is valid only for an event that it is created for in this case oSC14. I meant the actual fan page for e.g. https://www.facebook.com/TheLinuxFoundation this is much stronger and you can use it to build audience for conference and openSUSE in general but mostly for conference in this case. On fan pages you can create event as a part of that fan page where you invite everyone that follows your page/likes your page. Ah so something general, sorry I'm not very familiar with facebook terms... I would only like to give you one thing to think about: At least for twitter, the separation of @openSUSE and @openSUSEConf hurts us a lot, I think. We often post great content on @openSUSEConf which doesn't end up on @openSUSE. This is bad for @openSUSE because it's missing out on the great content and bad for the conference because the great content is not shared with the 26.000 people who follow @openSUSE but only with the 439 followers of @openSUSEConf. So you have to have a content strategy that spans both pages or you have a strategy how you can place conference related content onto the main page without becoming too spammy. I imagine this could be the same for facebook. Just my 2 lipe... Now go an make something happen, don't let me stop you! :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] A few words about the OSC brainstorming/marketing
Hey, On 07.05.2014 14:39, Jasna Benčić wrote: Okay Henne, I'll think about it and If I don't find official openSUSE fan page on Facebook You should be able to find it here: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Social_media_contacts I guess it's this one: https://www.facebook.com/pages/openSUSE/45393742283 then it would be good to do what you actually suggest - one page for everything. Even if it exists already it still needs people sharing stuff, maintaining it, filling it with life. Maybe you can help with that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] organising monthly review
Hey, On 19.04.2014 10:23, jdd wrote: I read somewhere than last time for monthly articles is April 20. Yeah, I have received 3 stories and will make an issue for May 1st with those. Is there somewhere something like https://trello.com/ toi manage deadlines? Not really no. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Monthly news
Hey, On 11.04.2014 10:16, jdd wrote: Le 09/04/2014 15:20, Jos Poortvliet a écrit : Whatever you want. Really, if it is big, we just post it separately on news.opensuse.org and link to it from the monthly news ;-) is there a prefered format. Do you want me to write it on a special blog or wiki? right now I just drop it in a txt file That is fine as well. However you deliver the content, I'm going to work with it :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Monthly news
Hey, On 02.04.2014 08:21, Kostas Koudaras wrote: 2014-04-01 18:49 GMT+03:00 Manu Gupta manugu...@gmail.com: If indeed we need a deadline, Lets have the articles by 20th of April [...] Henne what about infra for the whole thing? I was thinking about using this as a personal web-design challenge. If you deliver content by the 20th of April, I'll get it into shape and take care of the infrastructure. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] New Kid On The Block
Hey Nenad, On 27.03.2014 09:01, Nenad Latinović wrote: Let me briefly introduce myself. My name is Nenad, I come from Slovenia. Soon to be literature bachelor, hoping to be a journalist and a writer. And that's about it. Wonderful, welcome! We can always use people that know how to express all the great things we do :-) As I'm very fond of the openSUSE project, seeing it as the most balanced distro project out there in every way, and considering I'm not a geek and don't know how to code or anything, I'm looking for some other ways to help out. How about the news team? Seem to be right up your alley! https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:News_team If you have any questions regarding it don't hesitate to ask me or any other member of it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Monthly news
Hey, On 31.01.2014 09:00, Kostas Koudaras wrote: We also need some artwork done and a catchy title for it. I would love to help with the infrastructure, process and styling. I already have some ideas how to produce this. How can I join? :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: [cfp] Re: [oSC14] Help with announcements needed
Cheesedoodle, On 07.01.2014 22:19, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On Tuesday 07 January 2014 15:53:04 Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 07.01.2014 14:50, Jos Poortvliet wrote: First announcement: https://news.opensuse.org/?p=17485preview=true (mixing your with Svebor's writing) Feedback welcome. This can go out whenever you want, it's a slow time :D Too many links pointing people elsewhere and in general way too much focus on the stuff around the conference (location, venue local community) instead of what will happen at the conference. I guess to have it picked up widely we need it the other way around... It's just meant to be a first oSC will happen in the pretty Dubrovnik article. I'd rather have an article out BIG about the schedule or something. Sure, but even without a schedule we know what will happen at the conference right? We might not know the exact topics in the schedule but we have 5 years of experience with oSC, we should share what it's like so people can decide if they want to go there. why is -project in CC? To prove the marketing and conference people are actually doing useful stuff? ;-) I just pressed reply-to-all :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: [cfp] Re: [oSC14] Help with announcements needed
Hey, On 07.01.2014 14:50, Jos Poortvliet wrote: First announcement: https://news.opensuse.org/?p=17485preview=true (mixing your with Svebor's writing) Feedback welcome. This can go out whenever you want, it's a slow time :D Too many links pointing people elsewhere and in general way too much focus on the stuff around the conference (location, venue local community) instead of what will happen at the conference. I guess to have it picked up widely we need it the other way around... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] what weekly news do we want
Hey, On 11.12.2013 11:12, jdd wrote: As I see this subject is hot, I think it's time to open a thread, not to hijack the task one, so, feel free to give your advice here (I will give mine later) Another Idea would be to employ the help of tools like paper.li which automate all of this... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-doc] Open Help Conference
JFYI Original Message Subject: [Foundations] Open Help Conference Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 10:34:03 +0100 From: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org To: Foundations List foundati...@lists.freedesktop.org, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org Hi everyone, Shaun McCance (CCed, I don't believe he's a member of the list) is organising the Open Help Conference again this year (3rd or 4th edition, I think). It's a conference about open source and documentation - open source tools for creating technical documentation, community processes for improving documentation of open source projects, recruiting technical documentation people, etc. http://openhelpconference.com/ This year he is looking to broaden the community attending the conference and get in touch with people who have not attended the conference in the past, whether they're working on tools to create or translate documentation, or whether they're writing docs for projects. I'd appreciate it if you could forward on information about the conference to anyone in your communities who might be interested in attending! Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundations mailing list foundati...@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/foundations -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-doc+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] 12.3 Announcement Screenshots
On 05.03.2013 16:18, Ricardo Chung wrote: On Friday, March 01, 2013 04:13:53 PM Henne Vogelsang wrote: Hey Peepz, we're working on the 12.3 release announcement and everything that is missing are screenshots of: * VirtualBox running some other OS like Ubuntu or Windows * A screenshot of the SUSE style openstack dashboard * An editor that edits some very complex SQL... * Anjuta * QtCreator * KDevelop * A verbose booting * A screenshot of the rescue CD desktop and tools * A terminal with snapper snapshotting It would be great if we could gather them over the weekend. Henne Feel free to use these screenshots or any other pictures. I really can't because all of them don't look like the OS will look on the readers computer. I need a standard desktop, with a standard theme etc. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] 12.3 Announcement Screenshots
Hey Peepz, we're working on the 12.3 release announcement and everything that is missing are screenshots of: * VirtualBox running some other OS like Ubuntu or Windows * A screenshot of the SUSE style openstack dashboard * An editor that edits some very complex SQL... * Anjuta * QtCreator * KDevelop * A verbose booting * A screenshot of the rescue CD desktop and tools * A terminal with snapper snapshotting It would be great if we could gather them over the weekend. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] reducing the conference banner size?
Hey, On 28.02.2013 10:11, Ludwig Nussel wrote: www.opensuse.org has a pretty huge banner to advertise the conference in July. Well, there is nothing wrong with that in general but what about reducing the height until a few weeks after the 12.3 release? Just to make sure the conference banner doesn't dominate the screen when the hot topic is the release? You should replace it with the 12.3 banner for a couple of weeks once 12.3 is released. It's a great thing we can do to drive people to read/do something. conf.o.o had ~50 visitors a day before the banner, now it has around 500/day. Make use of it for 12.3 Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Call for Projects for LinuxTag 2013 started
Hey, please see the following announcement. Time to get something for Linuxtag ready again :) Henne Original Message Subject: [LT-Pro-Veterans] Call for Projects for LinuxTag 2013 started Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:07:16 +0100 From: Elke Moritz mor...@linuxtag.org Reply-To: proje...@linuxtag.org Organization: LinuxTag e.V. To: projects-veter...@linuxtag.org CC: proje...@linuxtag.org Dear Projects! We would like to announce the official start of our Call for Projects for LinuxTag 2013. You can find the full text of the CfPro in our public wiki at http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/fp:Call_for_Projects Submit your applications to our virtual conference center at https://vcc.linuxtag.org/ Please spread the word and forward this mail to other projects that may be interested. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. We are looking forward to seeing you at LinuxTag 2013! Best regards The LinuxTag Projects Team 19th LinuxTag May 22 - 25, 2013 Messegelände unter dem Funkturm, Berlin, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-artwork] having fun... ???
Hey, On 13.02.2012 11:38, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On Monday 06 February 2012 23:18:59 Marcel Richter wrote: I think these old jokes are too old, too often heared. And it shouldn't be too geeky. Yes, they are a tad old... It would be better to have something fresh. But Geeky is absolutely OK imho. I also like Without geometry, life is pointless quite a bit, not sure how to add a geeko to that one however. openS.U.S.E. and the geometry forms of the old SUSE boxes relate to that perfectly. But maybe too insider'ish... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE @ FOSDEM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey, On 02.12.2011 02:03, R. Tyler Croy wrote: Try to come up with some kind of schedule for being near the booth That is exactly what I would recommend to avoid. It won't work out because there are way too many openSUSE people around. And way too many of them have either talks they want to see, give talks themselves, meet friends etc. etc. I recommend to have a base-crew of 3 people that man the booth at all times, do the rest (if one of the 3 want's to see a Talk or something) with the people that hang out. Keep it small, simple. Henne - -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE http://www.hennevogel.de Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFO2KRGnWFkwpVfreARAmZYAJ9dbGV4ybk+zE3wC2p3eWewuzm+egCgl8fV apnW+d7LjdKN8dkycDSbrMs= =QCTo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE @ FOSDEM
Hey, On 01.12.2011 00:07, Richard Brown wrote: I'm volunteering to co-ordinate an openSUSE stand at FOSDEM this February Cool :) Even if you're not coming this year, I especially welcome advice and guidance from FOSDEM veterans. What worked in previous years? * Bring the Touchsmarts, people like to grope things. * Bring 12.1 DVDs, stickers and folders, people like to snatch things. * Bring Beer and T-Shirts, sell them for 1€ and give the proceeds to the university. They will love you. (Pascal knows whom to give it to) * Have 2 guys, you can rely on at any time, to be on the booth. People like to wander off into the awesome program. One minute it might seem that you have a gazillion people on the booth and the next one it's deserted because RMS speaks. * Try as hard as possible to avoid that people leave their shit on the booth. The corridors are narrow, the boths are small, there are more and more people each year. If they all leave their Jackets, laptops and bags on your booth there is no room to operate anymore. what do I need to know? * You get two tables and a couple of chairs in a windy corridor * It's friggn cold and drafty * Don't try to plan anything, it's chaotic. * Have Pascals number on speed dial. He's the man. * Get drunk as early as possible :-) what do I need to avoid? * Belgian Beer. At any cost. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE http://www.hennevogel.de Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Mint developers claim 40% increase in user base due to Gnome 2
Hey, On 08.11.2011 21:29, Ilya Chernykh wrote: On Wednesday 09 November 2011 00:29:11 Kim Leyendecker wrote: And I doubt that such topics belong to a marketing-list. And where do they belong then? Where I told you when you started the thread on -factory. I suggest you follow my advice :) Henne -- Mailing List Admin http://lists.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: openSUSE Brochure
Hey, On 16.06.2011 21:54, Jos Poortvliet wrote: Can I get some of your thoughts on this? You asked for it ;) I find the text to vary too much from what we use everywhere else. The messages are sometimes even a bit different (freedom loving philosophy vs. open, transparent and friendly for instance). You should see that this matches what we communicate on the web etc. In general I find the story of the brochure a bit weak. It's an pretty accurate description of what we are and do but it doesn't really say why and especially what you should do with that information. You know what I mean? What do you want the reader to do after he finished reading it? My pick would be installing the distro he usually gets together with this brochure and maybe secondly going to opensuse.org. For them to really do it you need to tell the reader that multiple times in multiple ways. In the text, in the pictures and in the graphical elements. I also think it contains way too much url's for a brochure. The URL is also a message you want people to remember and by using it in too many different ways you water that message down. Some of them also might be a bit to short lived for a brochure. The only thing the reader should take away is opensuse.org IMHO. Everything else he can discover from there. The back page is a perfect place to put this URL and make the user visit it. Then you mention things that are a bit too specific. You mention Appstream (even on the main page), Anjuta, QTCreator, Amazon EC2, KVM, SSH, WebYaST, XML, RPM, deb, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and more. It is nice for the projects but of little value to the reader who supposedly doesn't really know what most of them are right? All of those need to be put into perspective for the reader somehow but I don't think this is even remotely possible. You should limit yourself here and if you use an abbreviation or a project name explain it shortly and tell what it's use is to the reader. I also find the size we give Studio on the back a bit mismatched to what it really means for openSUSE. Yes Studio is a nice tool and all but does it really make 50% of what's cool about openSUSE? I don't think so no. OBS is maybe 50%, the distro is definitely 50% but Studio? I'm not even sure that it is double digit ;-) Some minor nitpicks: * Get rid of the SUSE and Novell logos, this is an openSUSE Brochure. It's very confusing and sends the wrong message. We are an independent open source project right? * The openSUSE Logo on the front page is some self made logo with strange color in the text, don't do that. We have a logo, don't invent your own please :) * Why are the Desktop project logos on the frontpage? * You still say openSUSE Build Service instead of Open Build Service * There is only one small Geeko on the whole brochure. Geeko IS our brand, how about you use it? :) Thanks for considering this. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Wiki advanced statistics
Hey, On 05/02/2011 03:57 PM, G G wrote: @Manu Gupta: that Statistics page is too much general The statistics page is about distro users anyway, not about the wiki. The wiki has its own statistic pages and from the description of what you want it seems to be enough. There is one general statistics page http://it.opensuse.org/Speciale:Statistiche and one specifically about page visits. http://it.opensuse.org/Speciale:PaginePi%C3%B9Visitate You should be able to general numbers from them. Yes, we are using a Piwik installation at beans.opensuse.org. Obviously this is not accessible for the public. Why are you interesting in it? Since i'm the administrator of the Italian Wiki, i would like to know what (italian) guests are looking for in the Wiki, what are the most interesting/usefull articles and so on. I see. So far we only have piwik enabled in the english wiki, not in language wikis. We are still evaluating piwik at the moment. Stay tuned. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] New URLs for Marketing
Hey, On 04/27/2011 04:12 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: We have some useful Uhm I get it that you want shorter URLs but why do you circumvent the content separation in the wiki that is there for a reason? I would suggest that you point people in printing material to some general URL like en.opensuse.org or even www.opensuse.org and make sure that your content is discoverable in the wiki instead of re-introducing the mess we had in the old one. It makes little sense to invent tons and tons of URLs one has to remember to find content. For instance, how am I to get to the GNOME3 page if there are not links in the wiki to it. http://en.opensuse.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/openSUSE:GNOME_3.0 Fix things like this and make the wiki consistent instead of less consistent please. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] T Shirt Idea once the stocks are over :D
Hey, On 09.04.2011 06:45, Thomas Jones wrote: A great many ideas can be contructed from existing T-shirts. And again. Ideas are like bellybuttons. Everyone has at least one. We don't need more ideas we need ready to print t-shirt designs. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently that's too much to ask... I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands now. I'll let you guys know when those are done... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] setting up a mailing list
Hey, On 04/05/2011 04:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: On 2011-04-05 Henne wrote: On 04/05/2011 04:10 AM, Chuck Payne wrote: I didn't think asking for a tool would have cause such a headache. It doesn't if you would just make up your minds :) But apparently that's too much to ask... I'll create opensuse-ambassadors-north-america, opensuse-ambassadaors-australia and opensuse-ambassadors-netherlands opensuse...@opensuse.org would be just fine... You are kidding me right? :( http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-nl/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] upside down geeko logo
Hey, On 03/30/2011 11:16 AM, Helen South wrote: re the upside down derivative logo on the outage note - is this a Novell-sanctioned use of the logo? It's cute but is clearly derivative of the openSUSE Geeko logo, which we are not permitted to change. If its done as part of the project we are permitted to do whatever we want guys. Please don't make this stuff more complicated then it is :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-boosters] ambassador program
Hey Jos, On 03/15/2011 04:10 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: that's what the ambassador report stuff is for, which I mailed to the Boosters team. Can you elaborate on what you expect from the Boosters? I would like to understand what we can do for you but the mail was not very specific about that. Let's get down to business! :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Help promote the release on Free Software Daily
Hey, On 03/10/2011 04:01 PM, Chuck Payne wrote: I told Henne' great announce It wasn't me! I just polished it :) The kudos go to Jos who did the initial draft and especially to everybody who has so relentlessly worked on the Product_highlights page in the last couple of weeks. This collection gathered through all of your hard work is what made the announcement possible! Chuck Payne Helen South Bryen Yunkashko Manu Gupta Jos Poortvliet Bruno Friedmann tigerfoot Izabel Valverde Sascha Manns James Mason “bear454” Greg KH Tony Su Kostas Koudaras Christian Boltz Dominique Leuenberger Guido Berhörster Andres anditosan Silva Frank Sundermeyer Andreas Jaeger Holger Hetterich Carlos Ribeiro Keep up the good work peepz! You rock! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Seminar in Mauritius
Hey Nitin, On 03/05/2011 07:35 AM, Nitin K Sookun wrote: I received a proposal from University of Mauritius Computer Club to organize a Linux Seminar there. It'll be a 2-days seminar where we should demonstrate explain to the students how they can use Linux in their daily life, academic projects etc. Very cool. Go for it! :-) We would provide all those attending this seminar a certificate of attendance/appreciation, with logos of local sponsors printed. I'd like to know if I could print logos of openSUSE Novell as well, since during the whole seminar we'll demonstrate activities using openSUSE and at the end we'll distribute openSUSE Promo DVDs. Is there a formal procedure before using the openSUSE and Novell logos? The openSUSE Trademark guidelines answer such questions. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines and whenever you are not sure if you can do something or not just fire off an email to permissi...@novell.com. The openSUSE Board will get to decide on a case by case basis then. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-marketing] FOSDEM 2011 Trip Report
Hey, better late then never :-) A month ago on the first weekend of February the openSUSE Project went to Brussels, Belgium for FOSDEM - The Free and Open Source Developers' European Meeting. openSUSE community members from Germany, the UK, France, Switzerland, the Czech Republic and the US gathered to learn new things about various FOSS projects, run an openSUSE booth and participate in the cross-distribution developer room. Conference -- The conference schedule of FOSDEM was packed as usual. They run a main track including 4 keynotes, around ~15 developer rooms and lightning talk track. At FOSDEM you always miss more interesting talks then you attend, the choice is amazing. The main tracks were mostly about the web, the cloud and office applications. In the DevRooms you find tracks of many major upstream projects like Mozilla, GNU or MySQL/PostgreSQL but also topic focused tracks like Cross-Desktop, Systems Management or Open Source Telephony. Visitor wise this years edition was more crowded then ever before, a lot of times you stood before closed doors because the rooms simply couldn't take any more people. They even managed to fill up the largest room, which is one of the largest auditoriums in Belgium with 1400 seats, up to the limit (and more). openSUSE Booth -- The project booth was also a big success. On our two 22 touchscreens we showed our distribution, including a GNOME3 preview, and our tools like the Build Service and SUSE Studio. People are in general really interested and are amazed at the speed we can pick up new developments from the wider FOSS community. A lot of great conversations about many technical and social details took place on our booth. We also handed out around 1.000 promo DVDs, countless stickers and project folders. As the Nürnberg folks chartered their own Bus to Brussels they brought 20 cases of our own openSUSE Brew Old Toad and we sold them for an Euro and donated the money to FOSDEM. The same we did with around 400 T-shirts. This made our booth a hotspot and a fun place to hang out and we were able to draw in many people with this. Additionally the FOSDEM crew and the local IT chair were of course really happy to receive some donations from us. As a direct result of this the students from the IT chair took a couple of hundred promo DVDs to distribute on the campus. It's stuff like this that brings the openSUSE project back on the map as contributors to the wider community. Cross-Distro DevRoom openSUSE also participated in the Cross-Distro DevRoom. We held 7 talks in the track with topics ranging from Vincents AppStream initiative over Bernhards openQA system to Jos having a chair on the distribution collaboration manifesto panel discussion. All talks where well received and especially on the topic of distribution tools we can always amaze people of what we have in production and can do with it. We are unchallenged in this area! Of course we also helped with the organization and took over a huge part of the moderation, additionally we were responsible for the videotaping of the talks. Here is a list of talks we held in this devroom. Amazing openSUSE - Jos Poortvliet Application Installer - Vincent Untz Distribution collaboration manifesto - Jos Poortvliet ZYpp your distro - Dominik Heidler Duncan Mac-Vicar P. How to make QA-engineers start drooling - Bernhard M. Wiedemann One source to rule all binaries - Sascha Peilicke You can find them and all the other talks that took place in this DevRoom on our blip.tv channel http://opensuse.blip.tv/posts?view=archivensfw=dc Conclusion -- FOSDEM is the last big true FOSS community event. No big corporate market stalls with sales representatives in them, no boring marketing talks, no bullshit. Just Free and Open Source Software community coming together to collaborate, teach and have fun with each other. One has to note that they pull this event off only with volunteers and donations which is very impressive. A nice thing this conference showed is that the topic of cross-distribution collaboration, which we brought up on the openSUSE Conference '10, is catching on. There are more an more things happening around this (AppStream, Bretzn, etc.) and we start to see a cultural shift in the wider community. Developers finally step up and talk to each other and leave the distro bashing to the religious user crowds. We believe this is a major game changer for the future. All in all FOSDEM is, and will continue to be, a highlight in our calendar. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Launch Parties and 11.4 in general
Hey, I have merged the various pages now into http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_parties and brushed over the launch party HOWTO http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_party_HOWTO Now the only thing missing is the blog post about all these nice events. I will work on this on Monday so straighten out your planing and get your party locations onto the page ASAP! :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] PromoDVDs 11.3 - clear our stock
Hey, On 18.02.2011 12:24, Jacqueline Junghanns wrote: As we are close to openSUSE 11.4 I need space in our stock for the new Promo DVDs. I do not know when the new Promo DVDs wilI be ready but I still have some Promo DVDs 11.3. So if somebody wants PromoDVDs for 11.3 please contact me or write an email with your shipping address to promod...@opensuse.org. Just to emphasize this. This is not only about clearing the stock somehow. There are trash bins for that. But one of our sponsors (Novell) has payed for those DVDs and we owe it to them to not let the DVDs go to waste. And those 11.3 DVDs are perfect for introducing people to openSUSE! I know that a lot of people think that you can/should only give out the latest and greatest, hence the soon to be released 11.4, and that older versions aren't any good as promo DVDs because, well, they are old. This might be true for ourselves and other FOSS addicts but it's definitely not true for the normal folks out there for whom we do the promo DVDs in the first place. 11.3 is still good for a year, its a great version and by now far more stable then 11.4 will be for the next couple of weeks. It's less surprising, has more mature software and is well spread among people. Qualities a newcomer wants. So if you have the chance to spread promo DVDs somewhere, your local community center, school or university’s support desk. Your sports club, the next punk concert you attend or in your brothers bar. The computer club or internet cafe around the corner. Anywhere where people might pick them up and try them, go for it! Promo DVDs are not only about handing them out to people you know that are interested in Linux. This is about spreading them among the general public. You would be surprised how many people find a nice, shiny, green openSUSE DVD interesting enough to finally try this Linux thing they heard about so much on the internet. So if you can think of anything just contact Jacqueline about the amount you need and where she needs to send it. Oh and don't be shy about the amount, we don't need to scrimp on them! If you think you can get spread 2.000 we send you 2.000. Every DVD that is out there, is out there any might result in a new openSUSE user. This is the perfect opportunity to do something good for the project, take it! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] PromoDVDs 11.3 - clear our stock
Hey, On 18.02.2011 15:44, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: Let me second Henne's comments by adding that for SCALE, we have ordered labels which we will affix to the 11.3 PromoDVDs which will point to the upgrade path for the next version upon release. Which is, again, great for FOSS freaks like you and me on a FOSS conference like SCALE but doesn't really matter for the general public. They don't need an upgrade right away. We just want them to try it and once they do any they like it we can get them to the point of upgrading with manuals, wiki pages, forum entries, list posts, news postings yadda yada yada. In a years time... The 11.3 promo DVDs do not need stickers to be useful for normal people :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Attachmate and openSUSE
Hey, On 11/23/2010 09:38 PM, Helen wrote: I agree, it's very much 'wait and see' right now It's never wait and see. This is open source, its always the time to do something! :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Attachmate and openSUSE / open source community.
Hey Jimmy, On 11/23/2010 10:17 PM, Jimmy Pierre wrote: I am a bit busy because we are having our Software Freedom Day next Saturday. Cool, who is we? :) Questions to be asked: 1. How do the other distros get funded? Ask them. I'm sure they will explain to you how funding works for them. 2. Use of openSUSE/SUSE on websites, documents etc. Trademarks, rights to use images, logos etc. We have trademark guidelines for the openSUSE trademark written down in our wiki. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines If you have questions about those don't hesitate to ask the openSUSE Board who is managing the trademark. 3. Support from local Attachmate people? You have to ask them. 4. Does Attachmate have a community Manager? They don't have a community, so I expect that they don't have a community manager but I don't know... I could not find one, so I phoned Seattle yesterday evening. I was handed to Liz an outsourced PR company. ...you see ;) 5. What do we tell our members? Does that involve a change of Memorandum and Articles of Association, hence bank account, letterheads, business cards, websites et al? As the openSUSE Project has no Memorandum or Articles of Association, no bank account, no letterheads and no business cards and all websites of the openSUSE Project are at *opensuse.org those certainly won't change :) 6. open office is heavily funded by Novell, does that mean that we might less developers? Other developments in progress? How can the openSUSE Project know about the intention of Novell in regards to LibreOffice? Again, you have to ask them. 7. Helen is right, what about our pals at Novell? What about them? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] writing opportunities
Hey, On 27.10.2010 09:00, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: This is one of the priorities we discussed last week at our BoF and we really need to go out into the community and over a long period of time seek out qualified folks who can write such articles. I'm sorry i missed the BoF, it clashed with the appstore one, but i beg to disagree. Basically I think the openSUSE Marketing team needs to transition from an call for action/organizing to a action team. I also think, given the recent months, you're already half-way there. We need you guys to step up and make it happen. That means that with this opportunity to market openSUSE you need to come up with a prioritized list of things to write about (things YOU deem important) and then go ahead (individuals or as team) and write them. If you in the course of writing them need input or technical help you approach experts directly or ask specific things on the appropriate mailinglist/forum/whatever. The recent months have shown that to make blogposts, articles or announcements happen it needs the marketing team to take care of this and the success has shown that you are more than capable to deliver great media. I would like to strongly encourage you to explore this direction further! Henne P.S. Sorry if I come across as someone who is telling you what to do but i really really liked what you guys did so far. Don't stop now :) -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal
Hey, On 30.09.2010 06:43, Manu Gupta wrote: Again, Grauham I bought the domain on a very cheap server, it mightbe down. I am again sorry for that. Why don't you run it inside the project then? I think something like moodle would be a great addition to the openSUSE project. You seem to have an idea how to run and use it so why don't we start moodle.opensuse.org on an opensuse.org server instead of your own? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Re: the openSUSE conference
Hey, On 09.09.2010 00:56, Helen wrote: A couple of thoughts about the current etherpad document for the conference. I'm not sure that 'one size fits all' and wonder if I could develop a second document; have this one as it's current broad, general coverage with a little more beginner explanation, for 'general use' and beginner or general news sites, and develop a second more targetted to advanced users with coding knowledge/sysadmins/developers. A clearer idea of where the document is to be used would help to keep the wording on target. (my impression when we started was a sort of advertising brochure). Yes, we need to agree on one document/audience. Currently we desperately (by tomorrow) need the announcement text that is going out as initial piece about the conference. This text needs to do 3 things: 1. Tell the world in the first 200 words whats happening 2. Tell people that got their interest sparked details about the conference programm 3. Tell people that decide then and there that they want to come what they need to know. The standard questions like: Who/What/Where/When/Why/How Everything else we can do after that. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Build Service - Call to arms!
Hi, On 08.09.2010 14:42, Nelson Marques wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote: * Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles? Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats wrong with the general article template? :) I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team. Please, elaborate. By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'? There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one. I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure. That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again. Just put it somewhere :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Build Service - Call to arms!
Hey, On 09/08/2010 06:54 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:48 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 08.09.2010 14:42, Nelson Marques wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 14:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: On 07.09.2010 18:43, Nelson Marques wrote: * Marketing Team, is it possible that we create a simple Marketing Banner/Badge, whatever to create a wiki template for Marketing articles? Can you maybe elaborate on what you expect? Whats wrong with the general article template? :) I suppose there's nothing wrong with it. I was just wondering if we could give some more projection to marketing team. Please, elaborate. Well, it's nothing that makes a difference, but I was used to it from another project, where Marketing, Ambassadors and other sub-projects had a top banner (template) which flagged the article/page with the team which created it. Example: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nmarques The top banner is a template. It's nice to use in the project as people will identify you with the 'role' you have or to the sub-project where you contribute. For a user page i understand this but for random pages? A reader does not care who wrote the material. As long as its discoverable and readable. And what if two team collaborate on a page? Are we going to show two banners? I don't think this is a good idea. By the way, what's the template used for 'quotations'? There is none. You could use Template:Info. If that doesn't fit you we can come up with one. Will do. By the way if you _dont_ have a wiki page with the templates available, please send me a list of them and the location/category to use and I'll make one for reference for future usage. There is of course Help:Template and Help:Standard_templates I would also like to know what would be the best place to file this article on the current wiki structure. That depends on the content of the article. As this is about the buildservice it goes to the openSUSE: namespace and should at least be linked from Portal:Build Service Once it's nearly done, then I'll bring this up again. Just put it somewhere :) For the time being, it's being piratepad. :) Once it's to be transferred I'll shop around for advice. What i said above is the advice. Just put it somewhere and if it does not fit then we can move it. Don't let the question of location putt you off a wiki contribution. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Goals for openSUSE Greek team
Kostas, On 09/05/2010 08:26 AM, Kostas Boukouvalas wrote: On 25 August 2010 15:45, Henne Vogelsang hvo...@opensuse.org We started the first ever greek web portal about openSUSE. http://www.opensuse.org.gr Great to see someone taking care of the greek part of our community. It's really appreciated. But why don't you translate our landingpage to greek instead of setting up your own page? :) You can then point your domain to www.opensuse.org/gr http://www.opensuse.org/gr. We already have an infrastructure in place for translating most of our infrastructure. I'm more than happy to help you with getting this going. This goes for me, because starting the translations many years ago with others, we were surprised when we first saw the translated page of el.opensuse.org http://el.opensuse.org. We found the translator then, but as many of that era greek opensuse members, is not currently active. Translating a wiki is a group effort. If you wan't to take charge of that you just have to say so. Especially if the person who started it is gone :) So, yes, it would be a Goal also to have the official greek opensuse page, up-to-date. For this as well as for the greek opensuse translations we will start our engines by October 1st. Okay cool. That would be great! The reason i ask is that we have seen too many localized pages gone stale over the time with no possibility for us to put new people on the task. So please stay inside the project instead of doing your own infrastructure :) Yes but we would like to have the autonomy of opensuse.org.gr Autonomy from what? From the openSUSE project? We are an open source project where many people jointly work on a lot of things. On the distribution, the wiki or on spreading the word on conferences. We also work together on our web-pages. So if you want to contribute to the openSUSE projects web presence it makes little sense to keep your contributions outside the project on your own page. You should instead help to make the official pages better for the reasons i stated above. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Goals for openSUSE Greek team
On 09/06/2010 03:24 PM, Kostas Boukouvalas wrote: On 6 September 2010 12:52, Henne Vogelsang hvo...@opensuse.org wrote: Kostas, On 09/05/2010 08:26 AM, Kostas Boukouvalas wrote: On 25 August 2010 15:45, Henne Vogelsang hvo...@opensuse.org We started the first ever greek web portal about openSUSE. http://www.opensuse.org.gr Great to see someone taking care of the greek part of our community. It's really appreciated. But why don't you translate our landingpage to greek instead of setting up your own page? :) You can then point your domain to www.opensuse.org/gr http://www.opensuse.org/gr. We already have an infrastructure in place for translating most of our infrastructure. I'm more than happy to help you with getting this going. This goes for me, because starting the translations many years ago with others, we were surprised when we first saw the translated page of el.opensuse.org http://el.opensuse.org. We found the translator then, but as many of that era greek opensuse members, is not currently active. Translating a wiki is a group effort. If you want to take charge of that you just have to say so. Especially if the person who started it is gone :) We currently have me and only one more person with fluent English in our resurrected greek team. That's okay, you have to start somewhere right? Please tell me your opensuse login names so i can give you access right for el.opensuse.org. Please get in contact with the wiki list and read through http://languages.opensuse.org/Help:Translation The reason i ask is that we have seen too many localized pages gone stale over the time with no possibility for us to put new people on the task. So please stay inside the project instead of doing your own infrastructure :) Yes but we would like to have the autonomy of opensuse.org.gr Autonomy from what? From the openSUSE project? We are an open source project where many people jointly work on a lot of things. On the distribution, the wiki or on spreading the word on conferences. We also work together on our web-pages. So if you want to contribute to the openSUSE projects web presence it makes little sense to keep your contributions outside the project on your own page. You should instead help to make the official pages better for the reasons i stated above. So, now that the domain opensuse.org.gr exists, what do you suggest to do? To redirect it to the official site, the wiki? You should: 1. Translate www.opensuse.org to greek The source of the webpage is in SVN. You can check it out here: svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/www.o.o/ simply copy the english directory (en) to the greek directory (el) cp -av en el and then translate the included html files. In the end you add an option to the file languages.html for greek. If you have done all that you can send the differences (svn diff) to opensuse-...@opensuse.org If you need any help with this don't hesitate to contact the opensuse web developers on the same mailinglist, they will help you! 2. After you have completed 1. you point opensuse.org.gr to www.opensuse.org/el Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Goals for openSUSE Greek team
Hey Stathis, On 21.08.2010 20:55, Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) wrote: Hello from Thessaloniki, Greece. Hey there! How's the Ouzo? :) Welcome to the project! We started the first ever greek web portal about openSUSE. http://www.opensuse.org.gr Great to see someone taking care of the greek part of our community. It's really appreciated. But why don't you translate our landingpage to greek instead of setting up your own page? :) You can then point your domain to www.opensuse.org/gr. We already have an infrastructure in place for translating most of our infrastructure. I'm more than happy to help you with getting this going. The reason i ask is that we have seen too many localized pages gone stale over the time with no possibility for us to put new people on the task. So please stay inside the project instead of doing your own infrastructure :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-doc] Official docs openSUSE 11.3
Hey, On 18.07.2010 00:12, Tim Mohlmann wrote: For the wiki, I would like to know when will the official novell docs be published? As for every version we create a link from the wiki to this original docs. At this moment I can't find anything on http://www.novell.com/documentation. The books are underway. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse] URGENT!! (and don't be angry for the Subject of this mail)
Hi, this thread stops now. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Add variables to standard output for
Hi, On Friday, January 18, 2008 at 11:52:35, Dirk Moolman wrote: Ok, I don't know how to word my question properly. I am writing a script that greps for a string (for a command that has multiple lines of output - the finger command) My problem: I want to take the standard output (1) from a grep command, but I also want to add my own values to the resulting line. Let's use a simple example: My script: --- for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d:` do finger $i | grep -i last done The output will look like this: Last login Mon Jan 14 11:23 (SAST) on 39 from 163.197.208.90 BUT, I want to add the user's login to the lines above, for example: $i: Last login Fri Jan 18 09:32 (SAST) on 57 from 163.197.212.133 for i in `sort /etc/passwd | cut -f1 -d:` do if blubb=`finger $i | grep Last`; then echo $i: $blubb; fi done Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] UNSUBSCRIBE
Hi, this time it was really a problem with the email provider of this guy. So not really funny... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] UNSUBSCRIBE
Hi, On Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 10:58:00, Carlos E. R. wrote: The Tuesday 2007-12-11 at 10:19 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote: this time it was really a problem with the email provider of this guy. So not really funny... What happened? If it can be told, of course... if that provider is doing something wrong to linux users, perhaps it would be of general interest :-? I cant know. Unsubscription requests left the mailinglist server and where never be seen again. Only the postmaster of that domain can know :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] UNSUBSCRIBE
Hi, On Tuesday, December 11, 2007 at 11:14:53, Neil wrote: Isn't the unsuscibe adress: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mailinglist software commands work always like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I am so mad I can't see straight!!!!!
Hi, this thread is now under moderation. So are some participants. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-optimize] This list will be closed by the 12th of November 2007
Hi, due to a lack of traffic for 10 months now i will close thise list down next monday. To quote the SUPER wiki page SUPER project ideas are now included in the mainstream as of openSUSE 10.3. One click install, fast boot and SLICKer design are 3 notable examples. So if you want to see how SUPER would work you can try mainstream now. Thanks for all your contributions. Goodbye! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Driving me crazy
Hi, On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 at 10:47:04, Aniruddha wrote: I think it is best to send a short summary of the netiquette with each welcome message e.g. Its on my TODO. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ati mobility dual head 10.3
Hi, On Friday, October 05, 2007 at 22:38:12, primm wrote: 10.3 broke my dual head setup. My 1280x1024 monitor attached to my 1280x800 acer portable will now only serve 1024x768 to the external monitor. Setting the dual head to 1280x1024 gives me only 1280x800. No matter which combination of monitors and frequencies I try. Replacing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf with the 10.2 one gives the same results. What a pain. Can anyone help? There is some quirk regarding rr in the display manager settings. Play around with DISPLAYMANAGER_RANDR_MODE_* Here it helped to unset DISPLAYMANAGER_RANDR_MODE_VGA completeley. Our X team is aware of that.. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how do i unsubscribe
Hi, On Friday, September 21, 2007 at 14:29:43, Michael Skiba wrote: Am Freitag, 21. September 2007 03:13:35 schrieb Aaron Kulkis: Just how stupid are you? May I return this question? No you may not ;) Aaron is no longer on this list. Im sorry but it seems that this is the only solution possible. Sad but true. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] novell ati driver
Hi, On Monday, September 17, 2007 at 13:24:34, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Florin Samareanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think that the new opensource ati driver developed by novell will make it in 10.3? i`m asking because with my card (ati x1600 mobility) It's not mature enough yet for the 10.3 release. Once it gets mature enough, I expect to see the driver in our build service. Release early, release often :) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/Drivers:/Video:/radeonhd/ There is a mailinglist about it now http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/ Also dont forget to check out the irc channel on freenode irc://irc.freenode.net/radeonhd Have fun... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stop it! (was Re: [opensuse] Counter needed)
Hi, this thread stops right here. It seems you cant get your act together and keep insulting each other in this kindergarten fashion. I will not tollerate any of this on the list anymore. Everybody who does so gets booted immediately. This warning goes especially to Aaron and Marcio but is valid for everybody. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE ml-admin Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson pgpOmzTeIpJe1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: What changed between Build1005 and Build1010 in x86_64?
Hi, On Wednesday, September 12, 2007 at 08:34:52, JP Rosevear wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 10:53 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: To check what has changed, you can check the opensuse-commit list: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2007-09/date.html It will show you all changes by date. The compiler has not been changed past Beta3, The other thing is that there was a rev change (from 3 to 4) with no source change. Did we intentionally bump everything before RC1? You mean release? Rebuilds always increment the Release tag by 1 in factory and by .1 in released products. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME
Hi, On Monday, September 03, 2007 at 06:58:14, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: From what I see in bugzilla there are too many bugs to really release on schedule. I think the release needs to be postponded. If we would always draw in our horns because of this we would still be in the process of releasing 4.2. Guys we still have 17 days until RC1. Relax... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] new packages announcment
Hi, On Friday, August 10, 2007 at 11:59:44, Reinhard Max wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 at 11:52, Petr Cerny wrote: is there some page on opensuse.org where we can announce new packages? Not every OpenSuSE user is reading mailing lists (neither wants to do so). Would anyone be interested in using such page (ideally this would be a non-static page)? Good idea, but as a wiki page, it might quickly become a mess and if not everybody enters their new packages, it's usefulness would be limited. Wouldn't it be better to generate lists of recently added, updated or otherwise touched packages out of the build system's data? This would be much more accurate at no extra work for the packagers. A mail2rss setup for lists.opensuse.org is on my TODO. I just did not find any decent converter yet... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-announce] [owner] Reminder: dropping support for old mailinglist names
Hi, I just removed the old mailinglist names (@suse.com) and old mailinglist syntax (- delimiter) for help/subscription etc completely. From now on only the new names (@opensuse.org) and the new syntax (+ delimiter) works. Henne -- ml-admin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] VJ decompression error
Hi, On Monday, May 21, 2007 at 22:00:14, Juan Erbes wrote: After a problems with my ISP (Timofonica), I must to go back to my old 56k sporster Robotics and my older ISP (in the absense of adsl), but I has frequently disconnections problems with it. The dmesg result is: PPP: VJ decompression error Did you try disabling VJ compression? Put novjccomp into /etc/ppp/options Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems
Hi, On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. Henne -- ml-admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse list server problems
Hi, On Wednesday, May 09, 2007 at 13:16:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote: On Tuesday, May 08, 2007 at 16:26:45, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-08-07 16:19]: Since today, on every post I make to opensuse@opensuse.org, I receive the message bellow. Is it just me, or a know problem? You would probably have better luck addressing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is gmail specific. Can we meet in #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net to get this sorted? I probably need specifics on your gmail setup. This is absolutely gmail specific. Looks like they had way to many hops in the delivery chain. It is gone now. I could up the limit of hops in our postfix configuration but its at a reasonable number now and i really dont want real loops to happen. Looks like you have to live with it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, http://hennevogel.de To die. In the rain. Alone. Ernest Hemingway -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Friday, April 20, 2007 at 12:00:25, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: On Thursday 19 April 2007 11:33:42 Henne Vogelsang wrote: Is that not the same as we have now? No, now packages from other vendors are locked. Nothing should be locked unless the user locks it. I am just saying the solver should not take a update from a _different_ vendor (different from what you have right now, not != SUSE) in consideration (unless the user explicitly do it) , that does not mean you lock it. I see and i dont like it. Because that would mean that you never get anything updated from a 3rd party repo because there the vendor will always be != what you have now a.k.a. SUSE after a install Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Friday, April 20, 2007 at 15:06:34, Martin Schlander wrote: Den Friday 20 April 2007 14:42:42 skrev Henne Vogelsang: I like the suggestion a lot. The user will specifically want to install the packman versions of crippled packages, but won't want build service re-cripped newer versions to override them. This is is such a special usecase that you will only be able to solve this, without user knowledge, if you can mark repos as leading, authorative or whatever. I dont think you can (and should) solve these usecases on a package level. I think this is a quite common usecase actually. Many users will have KDE-backports, Packman and Guru and many packages exist on two out of the three repos. And if you're not paying attention you'll be playing 'ping-pong' as so elegantly put by Duncan. Amarok (most people will want Guru, BS version is crippled wrt. database support I believe) [...] And you should decide these on a package basis (setting something to taboo if you definately dont want it). This however should have nothing to do with the general policy. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Friday, April 20, 2007 at 13:24:53, Benji Weber wrote: On 4/20/07, Henne Vogelsang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, April 20, 2007 at 12:00:25, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett wrote: On Thursday 19 April 2007 11:33:42 Henne Vogelsang wrote: Is that not the same as we have now? No, now packages from other vendors are locked. Nothing should be locked unless the user locks it. I am just saying the solver should not take a update from a _different_ vendor (different from what you have right now, not != SUSE) in consideration (unless the user explicitly do it) , that does not mean you lock it. I like the suggestion a lot. The user will specifically want to install the packman versions of crippled packages, but won't want build service re-cripped newer versions to override them. This is is such a special usecase that you will only be able to solve this, without user knowledge, if you can mark repos as leading, authorative or whatever. I dont think you can (and should) solve these usecases on a package level. Also it would help discourage upgrade all mentality which would replace all suse supported packages with the newer unsupported versions on packman when the user doesn't require the newer version. The user specifically requested newer unsupported packages by adding the 3rd party repo. Why would the package manager hold back those packages and install them only on request? I see and i dont like it. Because that would mean that you never get anything updated from a 3rd party repo because there the vendor will always be != what you have now a.k.a. SUSE after a install User would still be able to request upgrade to a different vendor, but automatic upgrades to different vendor are more likely to cause problems than be useful imo. Automatic inter-vendor updates are what people expect to happen. Its what we currently do not deliver with yast but with all other package managers. There it works fine since ages. Why would we prohibit it (again)? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Thursday, April 19, 2007 at 00:18:56, Duncan Mac-Vicar P. wrote: On Wednesday 18 April 2007 11:23:12 am Henne Vogelsang wrote: Can you specify inter-vendor upgrades please? If you have MPlayer with vendor Foo the solver don't select Mplayer vendor Bar as a upgrade candidate even if it is newer unless it is a user explicit transaction Is that not the same as we have now? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Wednesday, April 18, 2007 at 10:25:36, Duncan Mac-Vicar P. wrote: On Tuesday 17 April 2007 02:56:30 pm Klaus Kaempf wrote: bug 264685 (Get rid of package locks in package manager) asks for reasoning of and better concepts for locking packages in the package manager. my proposal: - get rid of everything we have now. - don't allow automatic (only user transacted) inter-vendor upgrades (solves usecase 2) Can you specify inter-vendor upgrades please? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Hi, On Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 14:56:30, Klaus Kaempf wrote: bug 264685 (Get rid of package locks in package manager) asks for reasoning of and better concepts for locking packages in the package manager. Proposals anyone ? Simple. Get rid of that alltogether. $VENDOR has to take care of that. Most of them do already. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Teamlead Core Services http://www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
