[opensuse-doc] Re: Permission to translate your page at http://doc.opensuse.org/
Hello Anja! Dear Sir, 2 weeks ago I have asked for your permission to translate your web page and I didn’t hear any from you since. I am sorry, your email was overlooked. Thanks for pinging again. I really think that is important to connect ex Yugoslavian people with the information that I ‘ve found on your web page. You have full permission to translate our contents. (Everything should be under GFDL or CC-BY-... licenses. If you find something where the license is unclear, or would not allow translation, please let us know.) I hope that you will find time to review it,it would mean a lot to me. Karl, do we have a mailing list, where Anja could get further assistance? thanks, JW- All the best, Anja Skrba Anja Skrba an...@webhostinggeeks.com http://science.webhostinggeeks.com/ Tel: +38162300604 On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Anja Skrba an...@webhostinggeeks.comwrote: Dear Sir, I am writing to inquire regarding your web page about openSUSE where I have found a lot of useful information. My name is Anja and I'm currently studying at the Faculty of Computer Science in Belgrade. Here is the URL of your article: http://doc.opensuse.org/** documentation/htmlsingle/**openSUSE_113/opensuse-apps.**htmlhttp://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/htmlsingle/openSUSE_113/opensuse-apps.html I would like to share it with the people from Former Yugoslav Republics: Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. I would be grateful if you could allow me to translate your writing into Serbo-Croatian language, that is used in all Former Yugoslav Republics and to post it on my website. Hopefully, it will help our people to gather some additional knowledge about computing. I hope to hear from you soon. Regards, Anja Skrba an...@webhostinggeeks.com http://science.**webhostinggeeks.com/http://science.webhostinggeeks.com/ Tel: +381 62 300604 -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-doc+ow...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-doc] Can I take advantage of the well translated SLED doc
Subject: [opensuse-doc] Can I take advantage of the well translated SLED doc Hello , I am now working on the translation of openSUSE doc. I want to know if I can use the well translated SLED doc. For example ,just doing copy and paste sometimes. In general yes. If such documents coming from our dublin translation services actually are reusable in an opensource context is not really obvious. We use the license texts to indicate this. For all newer versions, I'd expect that at least the english original version is under the GFDL. Normally translators simply keep the license as is. If you point me to examples that you want to merge, then I will double-check that everything is fine. thanks, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-doc+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-doc] DAPS talk at Linuxtag
Frank Sundermeyer held a talk about DAPS - our DocBook Authoring and Publishing Suite -- at LinuxTag2012 last week in Berlin. Here is the Video: http://blip.tv/opensuse/linuxtag2012-docbook-publishing-and-authoring-made-easy-with-daps-6163421 See the project page at http://daps.sourceforge.net/ cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-doc+ow...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-doc] Re: WebYaST User Guide
On Jan 26, 11 19:24:21 +0200, Kostas Koudaras wrote: Thanks a lot for all the information,everything seems to work. I uploaded 15 of the 22 .po and as it goes I'll have it all ready by the end of the other week. Please give it a look to see if I made anything wrong in the upload or anything else and please let me know about it. That's it for now Kostas You did good. Thanks for contributing! Although I have no idea if the language is really greek. And I guess, I'll have to simply trust you that you really say something about webyast there :-) cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+h...@opensuse.org
[opensuse-doc] Re: [opensuse-project] How to contribute: openSUSE Documentation
On Oct 18, 10 18:00:39 +0200, Freek de Kruijf wrote: Op maandag 18 oktober 2010 17:07:47 schreef Juergen Weigert: This information should be in the wiki in separate pages, but with links to it from Portal:Documentation and Portal:How_to_participate and Portal:Teams Right you are! Thanks for those pointers. I've taken the liberty and added my team to the portals. (And chopped the contents into 3 parts.) cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) You are trying to use packages from project 'openSUSE:11.3'. Note that malicious packages can compromise your system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-doc] request for ru branch for susebook on berlios
On Apr 19, 10 13:50:34 +0200, Dinar Valeev wrote: Hello, I'm interested in to start translation of susebook to Russian language for 11.3 and Factory. Could you please create new branch on berlios.de and give me access rights? My berlios login name is k0da I've created a few empty directories in the opensuse-doc repository. We'll populate the books/en hierarchy with a locdrop snapshot. Looks like nontrivial to give admin rights for selected subdirectories in a repo. I'll investigate further. If indeed nontrivial, second option is to maintain a seperate repo for each language, (e.g. opensuse-doc-ru) and pull them into opensuse-doc/trunk/.../LANG using a set of svn:external links. Writing this, just to let you know what we are up to. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-doc] request for ru branch for susebook on berlios
On Apr 20, 10 11:58:25 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Frank Sundermeyer wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:36:59 +0200 Dinar Valeev wrote: Hello Juergen, Thanks, I've got write access! we are currently investigating how to best manage community translations. Would you mind explaining your translation process and the tools you are using, so we will be able to better understand your needs? How about using git and the openSUSE http://www.gitorious.org/opensuse It has a lot of the openUSE stuff and I was told that they are going to move all the novell svn openSUSE to this location. That does not work. Our docmanager infrastructure uses a few distinguishing features of SVN: E.g. partial checkouts, path-based access control, and revision based properties. All of these are weak points with GIT. And then, we are cautious(*), too. We have been using SVN for a long time, we know the commands, and the pitfalls. Our build mechanics direct use Perl and Python bindings of subversion. Who would want to touch a running system, anyway? We've identified a few potential benefit of git, though. But none justifies the effort. cheers, JW- PS: (*) cautious as in not hunting what appears to be hip; as in keeping a steady pace; and as in 'no thank you, we know that pain'. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green!__/ _===.===_ V | j...@suse.de back to ascii! __/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508__/ (//\ (/) | _/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-doc+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-doc+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse] permament symlinks in /dev
On Jan 22, 08 11:34:53 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2008 10:42:00 am Juergen Weigert wrote: On Jan 22, 08 16:48:13 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 12:32 +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote: On Jan 21, 08 22:00:23 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Istvan Gabor wrote: What is the way in openSUSE 10.3 to create permanent symlinks in /dev? I have attempted /etc/udev/rules.d/99-cdrom.conf containing: KERNEL==dvd1 SYMLINK=cdrom, MODE=666 OPTIONS=last_rule Does the kernel really call the device 'dvd1'? The KERNEL name is what the kernel calls the device, not the name you would like. You don't have much control over that name. It is probably whatever the /dev/ name is before you do anything. Maybe it is something like sr0? The SYMLIMK value is what you want your link called. It can be any legal name. KERNEL==sr0 SYMLINK=cdrom, MODE=666 OPTIONS=last_rule Also does nothing. Maybe file 99-cdrom.conf is ignored by udev? Try /etc/udev/rules.d/99-cdrom.rules I typed the name wrong in my email. It is already called /etc/udev/rules.d/99-cdrom.rules I know that udev reads the file, if I misspell a keyword, I get an appropriate error message in /var/log/messages. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] permament symlinks in /dev
On Jan 21, 08 22:00:23 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Istvan Gabor wrote: What is the way in openSUSE 10.3 to create permanent symlinks in /dev? I have attempted /etc/udev/rules.d/99-cdrom.conf containing: KERNEL==dvd1 SYMLINK=cdrom, MODE=666 OPTIONS=last_rule udev happily ignores this rule. I'd expect to get a /dev/cdrom symlink. But nothing is created, even after reboot. Any hints how to debug? cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] permament symlinks in /dev
On Jan 22, 08 16:48:13 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 12:32 +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote: On Jan 21, 08 22:00:23 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: Istvan Gabor wrote: What is the way in openSUSE 10.3 to create permanent symlinks in /dev? I have attempted /etc/udev/rules.d/99-cdrom.conf containing: KERNEL==dvd1 SYMLINK=cdrom, MODE=666 OPTIONS=last_rule Does the kernel really call the device 'dvd1'? The KERNEL name is what the kernel calls the device, not the name you would like. You don't have much control over that name. It is probably whatever the /dev/ name is before you do anything. Maybe it is something like sr0? The SYMLIMK value is what you want your link called. It can be any legal name. KERNEL==sr0 SYMLINK=cdrom, MODE=666 OPTIONS=last_rule Also does nothing. sigh, Jw -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] PDF OCR
On Dec 13, 07 09:19:11 +0100, Ciaran Farrell wrote: Am Thursday 13 December 2007 schrieb StephenW: --- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello We have a network printer that will scan docs and send them as pdf docs to an e-mail address in the company. Is there any software with OpenSUSE 10.3 that can do OCR from a PDF doc? I am guessing that the doc contains tiff images of the scanned documents. Any and all pointers are welcome. I had to do much the same in the past - a quick bash script seemed like the best way to solve it: 1. use pdf2ppm to extract the images from the pdf to a new directory 2. use ppm2tiff on all the extracted ppm files 3. use tesseract or whatever its called these days on the tiff files 4. append the text files to a single text file (or leave them separate, whatever) There's probably a much more sensible way of doing this :-) but this worked consistently for me for quite a number of documents scanned and sent as pdf. This is already the best approach, afaik. I assume ocropus helps layout issus like multicolumn and such. Any volunteers who want to try out ocropus? I see rpm packages in http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/StefanBruens cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] PDF OCR
On Dec 12, 07 13:52:28 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote: Roger Oberholtzer pecked at the keyboard and wrote: Hello We have a network printer that will scan docs and send them as pdf docs to an e-mail address in the company. Is there any software with OpenSUSE 10.3 that can do OCR from a PDF doc? I am guessing that the doc contains tiff images of the scanned documents. Any and all pointers are welcome. Have you tried pdftotext ? pdftotext won't help with scanned documents. You could check, if ocropus / tesseract is already up to speed ... cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] rpm5.org
On Oct 25, 07 11:51:50 +0400, Nikolay Derkach wrote: ?? ??, 25/10/2007 ?? 01:43 +0200, Pascal Bleser ??: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When I look at the Team presented on http://rpm5.org I notice several people involved in QA for several distributions, but no one for openSUSE/SLE*. Lack of time, lack of interest, technical reasons ? Thanks for enlightening me :) There was a news at linux.com, it claimed that Novell was going to concentrate its efforts on RPMv4 development. Novell has joined Red Hat in the rpm.org project, while Mandriva, cAos, and PLD have decided to work with Johnson's rpm5.org effort. [*] Anyway it would be nice to hear the official proof/disproof from developers. This article sounds strangely affirmative. I am not aware of any decision to ignore Jeff Johnson. Actually, I remember that mls and jeff always have extensive conversations, whenever they meet. :-) Anybody to set up an rpm5 buildservice repo? cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Novell is committed to creating a work environment that embraces clarity. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks
On Aug 31, 07 15:04:30 +0200, Dirk Mueller wrote: On Friday, 31. August 2007, Philipp Thomas wrote: How about this (untestet): a) buildrequires licenses missing b) the %doc macro runs after postinstall scripts, so one still has to update the %doc macro specs an easier fix would be to add a post-prep script hook that will just replace COPYING in the source dir with a symlink, so that %doc just copies the symlink into the package. I am currently undecided, weather the licenses package is a good idea at all. I started the licenses package, to have a centralized directory, where all licenses in a product can be found. Unfortunatly licenses package currently populates /usr/share/doc/licenses with all licenses in the distribution, without revealing which licenses belong to installed and available packages. Unfortunatly, this licenses package is error prone. Not very probable, but with possbile severe effects: if a package has a symlink for GPL, but this link is dangling, we violate the GPL. Does anybody know if the licenses package had a space saving effect on the media? Any tears if we roll back to the state we had before? cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful. (bugzilla) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] compress? uncompress? Why are they gone?
On Aug 11, 07 01:26:04 -0400, Ken Jennings wrote: openSuse 10.2 2.6.18.8-0.5-default #1 SMP Fri Jun 22 12:17:53 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux Is compress/uncompress really not available in the distro? I went to install it and Yast Software Management won't show me any package that either provides or is named compress. Oddly, the man pages are installed. Yes, I know compress is a lame, old program. But, I'm working with some .Z files from a customer and the normally cooperative zcat objects to decompressing and displaying them. Can anyone tell me where to find current source for compress? I found a web site with some source labelled 4.3d from 1990.$@(#) compress.c,v 4.3d 90/01/18 03:00:00 Is this current? There is ncompress, it moved to opensuse build service in March 2007. Gunzip and its cousin zcat are supposed to do uncompress' job. Discussed in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=252161 cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful. (bugzilla) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SUSE SWAMP
On Aug 06, 07 18:15:29 +0200, Thomas Schmidt wrote: Ciro Iriarte wrote: Anybody tried it?, is it actually being used on the Opensuse project?. Looks interesting Maybe it can replace workflow apps on Domino/Notes... Definitly. It is used inside RD for tracking Level3 support issues, maintenance issues and job offerings and applications. You see, it is a very flexible system ;-) RPMs are available from the buildservice: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=swampp=1baseproject=openSUSE%3A10.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/swamp/ And SWAMP is activily maintained inhouse. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful. (bugzilla) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Building packages with linking a license from licenses.rpm
On Jul 25, 07 12:36:46 +0200, Reinhard Max wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 at 12:00, Ludwig Nussel wrote: You wouldn't be able to install the package without breaking dependencies. That's annoying at least. Right, but that wouldn't matter from a legal point of view. If a license requires us to include the license text with the binary package, we might break the license no matter how hard we make it to install the package without the license file being installed as well. GPLv2 says (section 1.) [...] and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program. So, is setting a symlink to a file and adding a dependency to the package enough to fulfill the along with the Program requirement? Due to the symlink, the package has now one more dependency. It is simply an incomplete package, unless licenses.rpm is also installed. If the FSF insists on having a copy in each RPM, we can simply stop doing symlinks for GPL, and still have saved a tree with all the other licenses symlinked. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Best hardware DB to contribute to?
On Jul 11, 07 17:44:18 -0500, S Glasoe wrote: On Wednesday July 11 2007 4:23:09 pm Jonathan Wilson wrote: I tend to install SuSE on a few laptops every year and decided I might contribute my little bit of experience in this area to some online database of this-hardware-works, this-other-doesn't. There's several online, and I don't have time to contribute to them all. Does anyone have a suggestion about which one I should use? JW http://en.opensuse.org/Hardware is a great place to start with openSUSE and http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Laptops for laptops... Jonathan, do you have a list of the databases you considered? I don't see any reference to other databases on http://en.opensuse.org/Hardware, perhaps we add some to the External Links section... cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] RPM license header update
On Jul 09, 07 13:33:22 +0200, Bernhard Walle wrote: * Juergen Weigert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:22]: Please check the exact version of the GPL and LGPL. We used to have one general entry 'GNU General Public License', now we have four entries: 'GPLv2 only', 'GPLv2 or later', 'GPLv3 only', 'GPLv3 or later'. Most GPL packages are now listed as 'GPLv2 or later', please adjust or let us know (again [EMAIL PROTECTED]) where this is incorrect. Same logic applies to LGPL. Why cannot this be changed (for SUSE internals) via PDB? Ah, forgot to mention that. Yes, this should be checked and updated via PDB. thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Repo for Freetype with BCI/sub-pixel hinting enabled
On Jun 19, 07 07:51:16 +0200, Jan Tiggy wrote: Pascal Bleser schrieb: But it's not too difficult to build it yourself from the src.rpm, so, you may chose to do so ;) That's true m8. I wonder, if we could package a little script like wget http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/experimental/packages/freetype2/src/freetype2-2.3.4-0.1.guru.suse102.src.rpm TARGET_OPT=`case $(uname -m) in i*86) echo --target=i586;; esac` rpmbuild --rebuild $TARGET_OPT --with subpixel freetype2-*.guru.suse*.src.rpm * including a desktop icon to trigger the script ending in rpm -Uhv freetype... and call it freetype-rebuild-subpixel.rpm or something. :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Change default search option on opensuse?
On Jun 18, 07 20:56:44 +0100, Francis Giannaros wrote: Is there any possibility of making fulltext search the default, or at any rate putting some sort of indicator like You will get references to more pages if you use fulltext search directly under the search box? Please raise this suggestion on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I'd also suggest to enable a packages-search through the very same search box :-) Also, is there any reason why the openSUSE Community pages (http://opensuse-community.org) aren't prominently linked to on the openSUSE.org front page? Again, I could make this edit, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Well, yes; legal reasons? No, I don't think so. o.o/Legal already explains such links sufficiently: Some links allow you to leave the openSUSE site. The linked sites are not under the control of Novell and Novell is not responsible for the contents of any linked site or any link contained in a linked site, or any changes or updates to such sites. Novell is providing these links to you only as a convenience, and the inclusion of any link does not imply endorsement by Novell of any linked site. To link to o-c.o use some friendly language from (or similar to) the site description below. (Just avoid judgmental words like 'better/evil', 'non-crippled/illegal'.) Which raises the question, I suppose, of whether new pages should go on opensuse.org or opensuse-community.org Check the o-c.o site description: The openSUSE-Community is a project aiming to channel more of a community effort into our favourite distribution, openSUSE. This includes -- but is not exclusive to -- adding all the extra documentation that is required for a seamless openSUSE experience. Through this wiki, we intend to provide a placeholder for all additional information. This site is not meant to in any way create a duplication of effort to what is already on http://openSUSE.org, but rather to be a supplement to what is there. To sum up: o-c.o is a supplement for additional information that cannot really go directly on o.o. Therefore, if the article can go onto o.o, it should go there. I like that rule! cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] GPL file location
On May 25, 07 09:27:31 -0600, Arun Singh wrote: On 5/25/2007 at 7:56 AM, Richard Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can SUSE folks comment in bug# 277737 as acceptable solution with little bit step-by-step instructions? No, because this bug is closed for our (at least my) eyes. Sorry! It seems bugzilla is having access issue ( Bug is secure. Only Novell employees, and designated partner groups can access this bug). You all SUSE folks should have access but anyway I have added you all to CC. Legal bugs are completly closed, and opend individually on a need to know basis. Arun, adding Richard et al. to CC was 100% correct here. Thanks. Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Suse, M$ and Dell
On May 08, 07 14:57:31 -0800, John Andersen wrote: On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote: Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD. If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year. Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll. We know who Marcuse is. That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend this is not happening. Marcus posted a quick oneliner. I am afraid you interpret to much into that. I guess Marcus wanted to ask for any proof or new details of the infringement. We all know what Balmer claims, and we still believe it to be FUD. I am certain Marcus did not intend to deny the existance of Balmers FUD. From an engineer's point of view I'd advise everyone to ignore Balmer. It is Ron's job to educate Balmer on good manners. Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything in the last week that he has forgotten the issue. That would be a foolish mistake. As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement all the small players will find themselves in court. Perhaps Ron already made Balmer shut up (for a while)? If someone has good suggestions how to actually counteract Balmers FUD, please let us know. Did I already say FUD? The more we disagree on the details and effects of his FUD, the broader Balmers grin. Please don't feed him. Now for the fun part: If Marcus were a troll, I'd directly walk into his office and hit him with a stick. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Extracting still frame from video
On Apr 21, 07 03:18:39 -0400, Steven T. Hatton wrote: I want to get equally spaced frames from this video: http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/videos/911.wtc.2.north.very.close.slow.wmv Now I can't even use ksnapshot or xwd because it blanks the video window when I try to grab it. So in other words, someone put in some effort to brake a perfectly functioning program to please lawyers. You believe we apply digital media restrictions? Wrong conclusion, we don't. Lawyers are innocent, this time. Your xine uses xvideo or some other accelerated driver to speed up display. The exact video driver is the first one that is printed by xvinfo. Maybe only the ordering is now different, and you now have one that writes to a hardware overlay where the previous one wrote to the framebuffer. Tools like ksnapshot do not see hardware overlays, as this data bypasses the X-Server. You can press 't' in xine to get a snapshot anyway. You can also run 'xine -V xshm' to force it pumping through the X-Server. This is slow, but should make sure that everything ends up in the framebuffer so that ksnapshot is happy. We did put in some effort to chose fast video drivers. Thereby breaking your application as an unfortunate side-effect. Sorry for that, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Slashdot helps to clear up ClearType Hype
On Apr 12, 07 16:43:21 -0500, M Harris wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007 17:14, Dylan wrote: But the question needs to be asked: can this guy post a civil message? Mike. Not if his posts earlier today are anything to go by. WANTED IN ALL 50 CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES FOR UNCIVIL MESSAGE POSTING I am unsure if all these personal attacks are just for fun or not. It does not really matter, anyway. Effectivly they degrade the readability of our mailing list. It was supposed to be about opensuse, wasnt it? Seriously: Can we please move all these specialized non-opensuse contributions to a specialized list? Thank you. Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?
On Apr 12, 07 08:00:11 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote: On 4/12/07, Druid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know. That was my point. You dont have a point. no, druid ... it is you that have no point No need for cheap talking and random off-topic thoughts of yourself. Nobody is interested please do not pretend to speak for me I dont need a lesson about linux. I have no doubts that if I was actually needing one, it wouldnt be you. Looks like there is still more fuel in this fanciful discussion. I humbly suggest to continue on opensuse-flamewar. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Opensuse - a MS patent observer?
On Apr 10, 07 16:16:49 +0200, Jakub Friedl wrote: Probably. If you're using a monitor. It's meant for LCD displays. But I'll take the Carlsberg any time ; It looks even worse on LCD imho. We did extensive evaluation on the effects of the various settings. First we assumed that subpixel hinting was just plain broken. Later we found that some people (including myself) simply prefer crisp letters with as less blurr as possible. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE removes files
On Apr 01, 07 20:39:30 +0200, Hudibras wrote: Well, if problem persist, I will remove SuSE for ever, and I'll come back to BSD again. I have said before, and it's really a pity, but I think this is unbearable. Do you have a second machine where you could try an identical installation and see if things disappear there too? cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Double Linked List patented in 2006
On Mar 19, 07 12:50:12 -0500, M Harris wrote: Double Linked List Patented in 2006 see Slashdot today, http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7028023.html Well, well. If this doesn't prove that the United States Patent Office (not to mention the clucks at Cochran Freund Young LLP) are absolutely and completely incompetent with regard to issuing software patents. Software Patents *must* Die Just to keep things on-topic, Cochran Freund Young LLP are going to be coming after Suse Novell for extensively using doubly linked lists in most of their open sofware... sorry guys, you won't be able to hide under the M$ deal. ;-P *strictly tongue in cheek* When exactly was that invented again? 2006? *LOL* Come on. They cannot say 'yelp' as fast as we can say 'prior art'. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Proposal: Any rm in .spec %install must be commented
On Mar 15, 07 14:21:22 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: Hello, On Mar 15 11:45 Stanislav Brabec wrote (shortened): So I propose: Each removal in %install phase must be correctly commented I suggest even more: Everything in the spec file where it is not totally obvious what it does and why it is done must be commented so that an external person understands what it does and why it is done. The concept of 'totally obvious' is an illusion. Especially while writing code, a writer's perception of obviousness is distorted. I use this as a rule of thumb: Whenever I read my own code a second time, and have to think about a line for more than a split second, I put a comment next to it with the results of my analysis. After some iterations, such comments tend to become pretty useful, and they come at no extra cost. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] Proposal: Any rm in .spec %install must be commented
On Mar 15, 07 14:53:50 +0100, Richard Guenther wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Stanislav Brabec wrote: Hallo. I have just notified, that many people fix (i. e. break) their packages to pass QA checks by removing required files instead of fixing them, i. e. removing .desktop files instead of installing icon or fixing Categories, removing gconf schemas instead of correct installation. If they fix or break their package what does it help to add a comment? It looks like you are proposing that package maintainers have a clue ;) No. Especially cluelessness needs documentation. Example: # I don't care about this gconf stuff. Remove seems to help. This is a very useful comment. It pinpoints the actual problem that the maintainer has. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
On Mar 08, 07 19:57:33 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:43, Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In SuSE10.3 there is no cdrecord. I guest the author of cdrecords message to Linux hit home. Anyway, while downloading/updating or just lucky I saw a note the cdrecord was being replaced. Problem is my memory has not locked on the new substitute. It may have been in the SuSE Yast Install notes A which cdrecord, locate cdrecord fails to answer the question. Naturally. Those commands find existing files. What is the binary replacements file name? Are you thinking of wodim? And there used to be a a symlink named cdrecord pointing to wodim. No more? cheers, Jw -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Mar 08, 07 00:25:01 -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote: Anyway, I've written back and told them that I would never buy anything that came recommended by Microsoft. Wise move. I mean, talking to the marketing guys may help. Juergen, just WHEN has it ever HELPED to talk to marketing guys?!? What marketing guys have you ever met that lets you actually TALK? Ah, you apparently talked to some and it helped. It helped you to understand. :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Novell Please make Bugzilla for OpenSuse really Open.
On Feb 04, 07 23:12:46 -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007, Stephan Binner wrote: On Sunday, 4. February 2007 00:49:29 John Andersen wrote: I's like to suggest that bugs related to openSuse be made available to the internet as a whole by allowing them to be crawled and indexed by google, yahoo, and any other search engines that want them. I would rather enjoy a Bugzilla speed-up rather than it being even slower because of bots crawling it all the time... :-) Well perhaps Novell can use all that money they got from Microsoft to buy some new hardware. Are you calling for donations in this regard? First step firt, please. There is no need to suggest solutions as long as Novell management does not know there is a problem. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] MP3/swpatents (was: a user call for attention on SuSE's mp3 support issue)
On Feb 01, 07 13:47:15 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: I don't know for the US, but the EPO (European Patent Office) only makes money from the patents that are filed and accepted, they don't have any other source of revenue (and no, they're actually not an official body of European Union). Hence, it's pretty obvious why they accept anything without properly validating. I've been told exactly the same about the US Patent Office. I am under the impression that a patent is almost never rejected. And I've heared a very absurd reason: An inventor could sue the patent office for not protecting his work ... (absurd, but plausible) http://news.com.com/Kodak+wins+Java+patent+suit/2100-1014_3-5394765.html Right. That is about the worst that can happen. Some other troll squeezed money out of Sony for using JPEG. Note that I'm _not_ saying: don't use Vorbis/FLAC/Theora because they probably violate patents. D'accord. Do *use* Vorbis/FLAC/Theora because they are not activly threatened. (Not yet. Ouch, I know ...) I'm just saying that software patents are an absurd and dangerous Damocles sword over the head of software development (both closed source and open source). It is a strange life we live here. There may be threats hanging up there, but lawyers advise me, do not let these intimidate you. Otherwise, if we all stare at the threats, our business grinds to a halt. And Jürgen, I know you know all that, it's more meant as a piece of information for those how haven't had the joy (?) of taking a dive into the topic of software patents ;) Sometimes I am not so sure about what I know :-) I simply spoke up, beaucse this thread appeared to come to the conclusion that both mp3 and ogg are equally encumbered. There is definitly less threat to ogg formats, than there is to mp3. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] a user call for attention on SuSE's mp3 support issue
On Jan 30, 07 00:12:48 -0900, John Andersen wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the loss involved in mp3 format was suffered in the encoding. Playback is 100% faithful to the encoded file (not the original), and nothing more is lost in playback. Yes, decoding (i.e. mp3 to wav) comes at no additional loss. (Unless the decoder sucks.) Now for encoding the wav into ogg, sox might not be the best choice because the maximum bitrate it can muster is 128, but there are other encoders, and perhaps 128 is enough or not so great audio files that Robert mentions. Re-encoding into ogg has additional loss. Not only due to a limited bitrate, but due to several other factors too. (You may try oggenc from package vorbis-tools, if sox sucks.) One could minimize the reencoding loss by throwing extra bitrate at it. If the file was 90kbps mp3 and you reencode it as 160kbps ogg it may sound as almost as good as the original mp3. But it is now much bigger in size. The question then becomes one of how much fidelity will you lose in the encoding to ogg. If some Ogg encoders offer a near perfect encoding setting, The most perfect setting can not help with a .wav that was previusly an .mp3 -- best is to encode ogg directly from the original CD. Then you should end up with an ogg file that is even slightly smaller than your mp3 -- where both bring sufficient quality to your ears. And yes, we need a much easier mp3-solution for SUSE Linux, than we have now. Crippleware is not the way to go. Crippleware may satisfy some lawyers, but always annoys our users. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] a user call for attention on SuSE's mp3 support issue
On Jan 28, 07 11:42:21 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 06:35:31PM +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: ??? 2007-01-28?? 10:35 +0100???Marcus Meissner? Ciao, Marcus (not a lawyer, not qualified to give legal advice, not speaking for Novell, only for himself) 1. is it possible to negociate for a special license for SuSE? Did we tried that? If there is a per unit royalty how did realplayer get their license when number of user is not clear? Would a public petition work? Tried in many ways, never succeeded. We haven't lost hope and still probe for more possibilities. It is obviously a flat fee for RealPlayer. How they did it, I don't know. They probably pay big money. 2. is it possible to move helix-banshee to default OpenSuSE installation? Which as far as I can guess have no legal concern I can try to bring this up, and you could too in a openSUSE status meeting. I'd like to see helix-banshee advertised stronger. Can't we simply add non-oss repo to the default installation sources? Btw. We should per default offer more repos anyway ... cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] a user call for attention on SuSE's mp3 support issue
On Jan 28, 07 14:28:13 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 28 January 2007 14:19, Felix Möller wrote: Is it possible to include this mp3 decoder on the suse media? I don't know. It wouldn't be allowed without a licensing deal with fluendo, but how likely that is I have no idea Not so unlikely. It currently is one of the most promising ways to get mp3 into our distro. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: bug #148409 not accessible
On Jan 12, 07 15:21:37 +0100, Eberhard Roloff wrote: And the classic example for non-public openSUSE bug reports are not yet public disclosed vulnerabilities in Open Source software. Which is understandable while the other one in not imho, at least as long as the Enterprise Products are based on the Open-Product-Line. But I would definetely not care, if I were denied access to Netware Bugs ;-)) The issue with non-public opensuse+enterprise bugs is this: Sometimes a bug is discovered first on the enterprise product, and a lot of internal product management information accumulates, before someone realizes that the same bug also exists in opensuse. Then, one of two things should happen: 1) create a duplicate of the bug for the bigger audience, with 'see also' comments pointing to each other. or 2) flag all internal comments as 'private' and open up the bug. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] jboss4 package is missing in the opensuse10.2 repository
On Dec 18, 06 09:55:10 +0100, Daniel Bornkessel wrote: On Sunday 17 December 2006 15:01, Luc Willems wrote: hello all , The jboss4-ejb3 package is missing the jboss4 rpm (includes the jboss-common depandancy). I downloaded the src rpm , build it and it produced following rpms : Wrote: /usr/src/packages/SRPMS/jboss4-4.0.4.GA-19.src.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/noarch/jboss4-4.0.4.GA-19.noarch.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/noarch/jboss4-debuginfo-4.0.4.GA-19.noarch.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/noarch/jboss4-ejb-4.0.4.GA-19.noarch.rpm Wrote: /usr/src/packages/RPMS/noarch/jboss4-ejb3-4.0.4.GA-19.noarch.rpm the jboss4 rpm is missing from the online repository and factory. Haven't checked any DVD because i use the online repository. is this rpm included in the DVD release our should i create a bugzilla for this Mmmm ... unfortunately you are right :( Will check what I can do about it, sorry. Regards, Daniel Luc, please create a bugzilla for this, assigned to myself and CCed Daniel. We should have either all of jboss or nothing (if there is a valid reason). thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] vim/gvim session and KDE
On Dec 15, 06 23:16:19 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote: On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 10:40:46PM +0100, Günter Dannoritzer wrote: Juergen Weigert wrote: Check out the binaries found at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html ^^ The URL is broken -- it should read: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/repoview/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html My bad. E_URL_NOT_LONG_ENOUGH Thanks Christoph. Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] vim/gvim session and KDE
On Dec 18, 06 14:49:37 +0100, Günter Dannoritzer wrote: Juergen Weigert wrote: On Dec 15, 06 23:16:19 +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote: On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 10:40:46PM +0100, Günter Dannoritzer wrote: Juergen Weigert wrote: Check out the binaries found at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html ^^ The URL is broken -- it should read: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/repoview/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html Juergen, Thanks for providing the binaries. I did not update to 10.2 yet and was not able to install gvim. Vim worked just fine, just gvim had some dependencies on my 10.1 installation that did not get meat. Already done: http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Linux_10.1/repodata/repoview/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html (I'd love to have an alternative URL with package name first, then targets and versions below that.) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] New cd/dvd recording software
On Dec 16, 06 20:26:30 -0500, BandiPat wrote: Yes, that is what I found also Darryl. Don't know why the SUSE packagers continue to mention Jorg in the file or said it was his, since wodim is not associated with him except it's a fork from his original cdrecord. Good point. I just updated the Package Database, to mention Joerg Jaspert and his team. thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] New cd/dvd recording software
Jan, you may want to forward your comments to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debburn-devel This is the bugzilla inbox for wodim upstream. cheers, Jw. On Dec 17, 06 14:00:00 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: Have you perchance had an opportunity to use k3b with the new burning software included with 10.2? Yes Wodim is the program being used now instead of cdrecord. It is written by the same author, and it provides the same, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -q --provides wodim cdrecord wodim = 1.0pre5cvs-6 Works just as few as the regular cdrecord SUSE packaged. IOW, it still does not support DVD+R/DL and profile naming. # cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdb -dao -v /proc/kcore Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0011 Profile: 0x0012 Profile: 0x0011 (current) Profile: 0x0014 Profile: 0x0013 Profile: 0x001A Profile: 0x001B Profile: 0x002B Profile: 0x0010 Profile: 0x0009 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0008 Profile: 0x0002 wodim: Found DVD media: using cdr_mdvd. Using Session At Once (SAO) for DVD mode. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd). # cdrecord_PDVD -dev=/dev/hdb -dao -v /proc/kcore Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: DVD-R sequential recording Profile: DVD-RAM Profile: DVD-R sequential recording (current) Profile: DVD-RW sequential overwrite Profile: DVD-RW restricted overwrite Profile: DVD+RW Profile: DVD+R Profile: DVD+R/DL Profile: DVD-ROM Profile: CD-R Profile: CD-RW Profile: CD-ROM Profile: Removable Disk Using generic SCSI-3/mmc-2 DVD-R/DVD-RW driver (mmc_dvd). Driver flags : DVD MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Plus I've got no idea why wodim uses mmc_mdvd (it's not even documented - screw that!) -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] vim/gvim session and KDE
On Dec 14, 06 21:19:13 +0100, Günter Dannoritzer wrote: I found the spec file from the current vim build: http://cvs.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/SPECS/vim/vim.spec?view=markup For the gui this seems to be the options they use: %if %buildgui # First build: gvim LOCALEDIR=%localedir CFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS CXXFLAGS=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS ./configure --prefix=%_prefix \ --enable-pythoninterp \ --enable-perlinterp \ --enable-rubyinterp \ --enable-tclinterp \ --with-features=huge \ --enable-acl --with-x=yes --enable-gui=gnome2 --exec-prefix=%_prefix/X11R6 \ --enable-gtk2-check \ perhaps it's this --enable-gui=gnome2 --enable-gtk2-check Does that help? I'll give it a try at: http://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=vimproject=home:jnweiger Check out the binaries found at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jnweiger/SUSE_Factory/repodata/Productivity.Editors.Vi.group.html Wow, if this works, then Buildservice rocks. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] vim/gvim session and KDE
On Dec 14, 06 14:06:39 +0100, dannoritzer wrote: Now I know there is a way to do this by hand, saving the current session in gvim with :mksession sessionname and then later restore that session with :source sessionname. However, I know from a friend who uses mandrake, that there the session restores automatically under kde. You say Mandrake has this feature. Can we see how they compiled gvim? So it looks like that gvim is compiled for GTK2 and according to the documentation then does not support the kde session manager? I am no expert here and maybe there are other ways to get it going. Nor am I. I was just wondering whether anyone know whether that would be a solution to add session support to gvim and whether that could be an option to compile gvim that way in future releases? The mandrake sources know for sure :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Is There a (Non-Enterprise) Commercial SuSE Linux 10.2 Product?
On Dec 08, 06 17:27:24 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote: On 2006-12-08 07:26, Philipp Thomas wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:12:18 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: I never pass up an opportunity to take a trip to Fry's... only be available via http://shop.novell.com. Which r-e-a-l-l-y r-e-a-l-l-y *sucks*. I bet all the SuSE resellers in North America aren't too pleased about it either. Perhaps some smart guy at Fry's could ask our NA sales reps for a bunch of Boxes? We have no reason to hide them (*). It was lack of commercial interrest - on one side or the other, I guess. cheers, Jw. (*) them, the boxes. Don't know about them sales reps. :-) -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Asterisk fax
Reinhard, is that worth a Bugzilla entry? thanks, Jw. On Dec 10, 06 00:02:04 +0100, Kaare Rasmussen wrote: Did anyone try (and succeed) to get asterisk receive faxes with spandsp - and would like to share? I get as far as having a log entry in a csv file with a column entry RxFax and the name of the fax file. There is no file, however, and the calling fax can't send. -- Med venlig hilsen Kaare Rasmussen, Jasonic Jasonic Telefon: +45 3816 2582 Nordre Fasanvej 12 2000 Frederiksberg Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] More fallout on the Novell MS Deal on /. and Groklaw
On Dec 11, 06 07:17:20 -0500, James Knott wrote: Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 07:44 +0200, Janne Karhunen You missed the point again. You, as a Novell customer, are paying to MS from now on [for something that does not exist, ie. FUD]. Is that what you wanted? Not quite. If you don't want to pay it, you only have to download the ISO's. Or try to do the maths again. A pays B a sum S. B pays A a sum 10 times S. So there remains a net cash flow of 9 times S from B to A. A has many customers C, paying a little sum s to A. So every cash flow effectivly ends up at A. I don't see how C actually feeds B here. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
On Nov 24, 06 18:31:25 +, Pete Connolly wrote: On Friday 24 November 2006 18:16, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Novell???s decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week: Wow, Sent on a Friday evening (European time), presumably to avoid 'official' comment or rebuttal. That way you get at least two days of discussion without any retort. H, not good. Sent from 217.205.109.249 http://samspade.org/whois/217.205.109.249 cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] To Novell SUSE - Please include Windows Media Codecs after deal with Microsoft
On Nov 12, 06 20:47:43 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: Hi all ! Since we have made a deal with MS about patents, I would like to ask include MS-patented Windows Media Codecs (WMA/WMV) with both openSUSE 10.2 and future SUSE versions... (including Enterprise). We cannot exploit the deal for that. Even if the deal would allow what you hoped for [*], the deal is not perpetual. If it terminates (in 5 years, or for some reason earlier) we'd suddenly infringe MS-patents. Not a good plan, methinks. [*] It does not allow us to include patented code from MS. It actually says quite the opposite: MS somewhat agrees with us, that we don't. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED]__/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Firefox RPM
On Nov 14, 06 06:54:48 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: Enter MIME Type application/x-rpm and extension rpm, select the action you want, click OK to create the file type, and OK to save the preferences. This will work, but when the browser is forced to base a dispensation decision on the file name suffix you cannot have to treatments for a given suffix, so if a RealPlayer .rpm stream comes along, it will get saved as a download. And URLs that don't actually have a suffix can't behandled. The only truly effective way is to get the server to supply a MIME type. .rpm files should be downlaoded by the browser, then the 'file' utility can be easily used to see if this is an installable software package, or a link to streaming media. .rpm files for realplayer are usually only a few lines of plain text. They do not contain the video stream itself. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
On Nov 10, 06 20:06:58 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: On Friday 10 November 2006 19:05, Juergen Weigert wrote: Novell does not distribute any patent infringing code. I think the operative word there is infringing, meaning code that is shipped as GPL against the will of the patent owner. Code where the patent owner has granted a permanent license under the GPL is obviously not counted Perhaps, we better reserve the right to ignore obviously bogus patents. :-) Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] redistributing opensuse openoffice package
On Oct 23, 06 10:30:58 +0200, Andreas Hanke wrote: Hi, Jordi Massaguer i Pla schrieb: It would be nice if Novell was writing somewhere where does trademarks are. In order to write this down somewhere or publish a list of trademark occurances, such a list would have to exist in the first place. And I doubt something like that exists - not even a list of places where SUSE Linux had to be replaced by openSUSE exists. Someone would have to go through all packages manually, and that's exactly what happened for the SUSE Linux - openSUSE switch. And that is something derived distros can very well do themselves, too, since Novell does it the same way. That way, it would be easier to make distros based on OpenSuSE, as OpenSuSE is a too general purpose distro for many people. In my opinion, that would increase the popularity of OpenSuSE. Otherwise, other distros may be used instead of OpenSuSE for that purpose. Hm, it seems that most Fedora-derived distros managed to identify and remove all the trademarks themselves ;-) I think you're demanding quite a lot here: Making life easier for derived distros is not core interest of the openSUSE project. As for the OpenOffice.org packages, it's really trivial because the branding is added during the build with a build system switch. You can't distribute the unmodified binary package anyway because of binary compatibility issues. Andreas, I haven't looked into OOo, but its nld subpackage contains the NLD branding. Do you think we could add another subpackage that replaces all branding with white space? This would help for the cases, where binary repackaging is the correct way to go... thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.1 RC1 to final by updating RPMs?
On Oct 02, 06 11:26:08 +0200, Robert Schiele wrote: On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 10:14:22AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Robert Schiele [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, you don't. You updated the db package (which is definitely part of the That's a bug ;-( Sorry, my fault. I skipped a few steps. Release numbers should be incremented on next sync now. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Pre-Beta Beta comments
On Sep 12, 06 13:14:46 +0100, Ricardo Cruz wrote: Em Terça, 12 de Setembro de 2006 12:23, o Stanislav Visnovsky escreveu: D??a Po 11. September 2006 19:15 Ricardo Cruz napísal: Em Segunda, 11 de Setembro de 2006 05:12, o Keith Goggin escreveu: 2.Would it be reasonable to have the CD tray open automatically when the next CD is required? I agree, not because of laziness to press the eject button :), but because it notifies the user to insert the next CD who may be elsewhere in the room doing something else. I have seen other distributions automatically ejecting the CD btw. I object - the tray might need attention for opening, just imagine your CD medium dropping off your drive, because you have your CD vertically. Stano Good point. What about just making a system beep then? It is of short duration, but if the person is somewhere next to the computer, he would hear it. We would just need to add a UI::Beep() method to Yast and call it from there. While reading the first CD, we have plenty of time to present the user with a choice: eject, beep, popup, explode. If he has not chosen before the CD is done, default to 'popup', and keep the choice on screen. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On Sep 12, 06 21:10:24 +1000, Peter Flodin wrote: On 9/12/06, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do simple tasks in Linux :-( I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. This is done on the other system by any paint program, beginning with the default one. So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is solved. In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a plugin extension (installed by default) Script-Fu-Decor-Add Border This, if your border shall add to the size of the image, or An overlay border that covers portions of the image: Select-All (optional Select-Rounded Rectangle) Edit-Stroke Selection (*) Stroke with paint tool: Paintbrush Yeah, this is too complicated for beginners. Some kind soul please list 'all the simple things that should be simple' and file an enhancement bug so that more script-fu macros can be created. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] CDRTools (CDDL / GPL)
On Sep 05, 06 15:35:43 +0200, Joerg Mayer wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:22:16PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: will openSUSE replace the cdrtools (which are now under the GPL incompatible CDDL license) by the new cdrkit, which is a fork of the latest GPL'd cdrtools? There's at least one person on this planet who thinks that it isn't incompatible ;-) Avoiding the CDDL reduces some risks from our products. We'll look into cdrkit. Is the packagage downloadable somewhere? http://debburn.alioth.debian.org appears to be dead, currently. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] CDRTools (CDDL / GPL)
On Sep 05, 06 16:49:42 +0200, Bernhard Walle wrote: * Juergen Weigert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-05 16:41]: On Sep 05, 06 15:35:43 +0200, Joerg Mayer wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:22:16PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: will openSUSE replace the cdrtools (which are now under the GPL incompatible CDDL license) by the new cdrkit, which is a fork of the latest GPL'd cdrtools? There's at least one person on this planet who thinks that it isn't incompatible ;-) Avoiding the CDDL reduces some risks from our products. Do you mean CDDL in general or only linking together CDDL code with GPL code? I cannot answer that in general, but at least when we consider linking, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html educates us as follows: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain aggressive uses of patents. So, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. Also unfortunate in the CDDL is its use of the term intellectual property. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding SBIG CCD camera support to SUSE?
On Aug 28, 06 05:58:16 -0700, Jasem Mutlaq wrote: Unfortunately the Linux Developer Kit from SBIG does not contain any hint about the license of the firmware. Though the included example code is mentioned to be free. Note, that the camera needs a USB driver, which is provided by SBIG as a binary only non-kernel driver also without any license. With such an unclear license situation, we cannot take these for openSUSE at all. I'll get back to the vendor and ask them for the license details regarding the firmware. Yes please do so. Please also ask for permission to distribute the firmware with commercial SUSE Linux Products. thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Novell GPL violation thread on Groklaw
On Aug 11, 06 02:34:15 +0200, Martin Schröder wrote: b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, The boxed version comes without sources, so 3a doesn't doesn't apply and 3b must be followed. Right. 3b we do. But the written offer is nowhere in the box, just a pointer to it on the web (and this pointer is in places where people normally don't look (bottom of the box, somewhere on some CD)). An 'offer' and a 'pointer to an offer' do not make much difference to me. And space on the box is scarce. We cannot put everything up front. To conform with the GPL, at least the text ... from http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/source_code.html or words to that effect _must_ be somewhere _in_ the box and should be on every media. Your '_must_' appears to be your personal opinion, I guess. (Telling people this prominently is not a bad idea, but not legally binding.) The GPL does not require a specific form of offer. For most of us, the mere concept 'hey, it comes from opensuse.org, so I know where the sources are' may be sufficent. For myself, I know that a number of Source-DVD's were shipped in order to fulfill the offer. So it actually works as is. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8
Re: [opensuse] Novell GPL violation thread on Groklaw
On Aug 07, 06 02:05:52 +0200, Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote: El Lunes, 7 de Agosto de 2006 01:33, Eberhard Moenkeberg escribió: Hi, On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote: Miguel Angel Alvarez wrote: Stephan said that there is a mention to source code on the bottom side of the box, but what text is there? Are there clear instructions of how to get the source code? There is no mention of sources on the box (10.1, bought in Germany). Have a look at the small CD/DVD case inside the box. Written clearly at the bottom side, white on green, german plus english: The source code for SUSE Linux 10.1 is available at: www.novell.com/products/suselinux/source_code.html So please no longer run the task of those evil-minded creatures. Thanks, now I'm armed to deFUD this one. One new item to help deFUD: On the outside of the box there is the URL www.novell.com/usersupport This web page has a collection of 'Helpful links', one of these is called 'Source code' ... cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why Red Hat will go bust because of Ubuntu
On Aug 02, 06 16:55:51 +0200, jdd wrote: however, what we could do is a work on openSUSE logo (or simply list on the wiki all the hardware that works on openSUSE without problem) why not a openSUSE aware sticker and wiki page for dealers adresses. The dealers able to sell a openSUSE box could write them on it How about this: Hey hardware vendor, do you know if your product runs under Linux? We can check it out for you! Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. We even have nice stickers tested on openSUSE LINUX for you to put on your products. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SUSE Linux versus opensuse linux naming
On Jun 28, 06 15:38:55 +0200, jdd wrote: Michael Loeffler wrote: We will likely rename it for 10.2 anyway. Rename it as you like, as long as SUSE is part of the name. The confusion with openSUSE.org, the project and SUSE Linux, the distribution is obvious ... Add a third name, and you will create more confusion. Just declare that both existing names are synonyms. I see no point in banning last years name. cheers, Jw. PS: Long live our Frankenstadion! -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
On Jun 06, 06 20:16:55 +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( Within SUSE, there is a secret brotherhood of traditionalists called SuSE. :-) please have mercy, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE logo: rights/restrictions?
On Apr 20, 06 18:59:49 +0200, houghi wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 06:53:33PM +0200, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote: I think we still have no definite policy how to handle derivative distributions - snip So using makeSUSEdvd may mean you are breaking the law.. :-) Yes, if there were a law already hiding somewhere. But No: As Sonja is still missing a mere 'policy', there isn't a 'law' for sure! :-) So go ahead, and make good use of the word and the logo. This builds the foundation for later case-law, if ever needed ... cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Moving pine and pico to non-OSS
On Mar 27, 06 02:25:35 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]? He answered, that SUSE will stick with the OSI definition for CD6 at the moment. I read Jürgen's mail, but I heard the opposite from other people working at SUSE. Maybe it needs to be clarified inside Novell/SUSE first ;) Oops, I did not mean to say that. We stick with the OSI definition for the OSS-Distribution CD1-CD5. We put all the border-cases that do *not* comply, on CD6. sorry for the confusion. Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dropping pine and pico from the distribution
On Mar 24, 06 10:18:34 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SUSE Linux OSS version is stated to only contain Open Source Software, if this definition is to differ from the widely accepted principles defined by the OSI or FSF then it would at least require a clear statement as to what OSS does mean in the context of SUSE. We started with the OSI definition, because we felt, that it is a good definition. But it is still up to us, to define what we understand by Open Source. Perhaps OSI missed something, that we like to emphasize or whatever... No. I haven't heared any good arguments for amending the OSI definition. My suggestion: - Let us keep our OSS definition. Pine was its first test, others will come and we will gain more experience in judging things. - Let us move pine to CD6 for now. - I'll raise the issue with pine upstream and we will hopefully have their view of the issue here too. So the question is, is the 6th non-OSS-CD defined from a OSI-compliant perspective, then move pine there. Indeed, either a special definition of OSS for SUSE which is lenient enough to include pine ... no, no, please not. Let us stay with a sharp and cripsy definition that has general acceptance. It is my understanding that CD6 is the catch-all medium for non- OSI-compliant software that *some people* would like to see with SuSE Linux. Another possibility is that the pine/pico licence could be changed, but this seems highly improbable given that Debian had this discussion years ago. Looking into that too. You don't want to discourage me that early, do you? :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dropping pine and pico from the distribution
On Mar 23, 06 14:42:22 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote: That's fantastic! There is no problem then ;-) I'm no licenses expert - but unless this approval allows SUSE users to change the code and release their changes to the public, there's still a problem with claiming that it's OSS. Martin is right. We still cannot claim that pine is OSS. I am trying to contact the U of W to verify their approval with regard to Novell's business products and also address the news that we do a 'real OSS' distribution now. We simply do not know what U of W intended with this license. I don't think this changes anything - of course Novell is in the clear in terms of legal action - but we still need (1) the licenses to change, (2) these apps moved to non-oss section or (3) these apps to be replaced completely. It changes something: it gives hope. We now have a hint that pine code maybe was intended as free software (despite the license text). If this turns out to be true, good for us. cheers, Jw. Btw: all this is based on a single e-mail eight years ago. For me, that is not enough to feel 'in the clear'. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration
On Mar 09, 06 18:24:50 +0100, Azerion wrote: What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement. That would be a nice place. It should be at a place where the user is idle and waiting for the computer to finish some work. So right at the beginning would be self defying. There the user will always click away anything that delays start of installation. Currently the user has two choices while waiting: a) View the slideshow, or b) view the endless listing of packages scroll by. I suggest to provide for two more choices to spend the time: c) study the release-notes, or d) play tetris. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE @ FOSDEM wrap-up
On Mar 08, 06 15:37:19 +0100, houghi wrote: On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:21:07PM +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote: Dear openSUSE community, snip Thanks for putting the media online. Pity that most presentations still can't be seen in Firefox/acroread. I can reproduce that. Let's discuss it in bugzilla # 155318 thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] First Page redesign - call for proposals. [was Frontpage]
On Feb 26, 06 09:10:26 +1100, Peter Flodin wrote: On 2/26/06, houghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 11:17:48AM -0500, Carl Hartung wrote: On Saturday 25 February 2006 09:30, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: snip Sorry, but the Frontpage subject was giving me the 'willies' every time it showed up in my in-box! Frontpage is a M$ WYSIWYG web page creation program. So can we use it to design the openSUSE page? ;-) Sure we can, if we want to make Microsoft more proud. :-) houghi Would you like some Wine with that ActiveX? You must have a different Outlook(tm) on things, I thought it was an Excel(tm)lent Word(tm). Good that it is allowed to use trademarks to make fun of product names. :-) But it should be forbidden to use general terms as program names. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Status Meeting?
On Feb 22, 06 21:35:50 +1100, scsijon wrote: Not much ;) I'm back from university now and will try to put some improvements into download.openSUSE.org over the next weeks. At FOSDEM, houghi and myself will present a short talk (in the speed talk placeholder on Sunday), which features download.openSUSE.org and some other approaches to the mirror challenge. Stay tuned. Regards Christoph that one MUST be recorded and be made available on the net for posterity I will take care of recording that. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Lizard pictures!
On Jan 14, 06 08:24:47 +1100, Peter Flodin wrote: Can we use photos under the Creative Commons Attribution License? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ Two caveats: 1) We prefer OSI approved licenses. CC Attribution is not. 2) The author specifies, how he likes to be attributed. Good, that he can choose a reasonable way. Bad, that there is no default, if he did not say anything. Otherwise, it is a simple, good and very free license. No further issues. It allows all use as long as we give attribution (by a tag in the corner I would guess). 'Tag in the corner' sounds reasonable, but keep (2) above in mind. Although explicit permission from author would still be better obviously. Yes, as always. :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Votes for Codename Theme now Open
On Jan 12, 06 16:15:01 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: The voting is over, we have: Theme: Lizards: 11 votes cool! I like that. Theme: Mountains of the World: 9 votes Theme: Rivers of Developers: 2 votes Ok, this gives us a winner. Thanks for everybody that participated. Now I need to choose enough Lizards, I'll look at this soon, Dinosaurs and Dragons are also lizards, aren't they? :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Votes for Codename Theme now Open
On Jan 12, 06 08:32:30 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: Juergen, On Thursday 12 January 2006 08:20, Juergen Weigert wrote: ... Ok, this gives us a winner. Thanks for everybody that participated. Now I need to choose enough Lizards, I'll look at this soon, Dinosaurs and Dragons are also lizards, aren't they? :-) Dinosaurs are lizards (the name means terrible lizard). Bingo, and dragons are terrible dinosaurs. Dragons do not exist, hence are no more lizards than they are butterflies. Who said 'existing lizards'? Reality is so boring. sigh, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Votes for Codename Theme now Open
On Jan 12, 06 17:42:30 +, mop48836 wrote: Who said 'existing lizards'? Reality is so boring. sigh, Jw. What about the mythical MesoAmerican God Quetzalcoatl ? Counts as a God. Not as a lizard :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Votes for Codename Theme now Open
On Jan 12, 06 18:21:41 +, 'o-Dzin Tridral wrote: Can we include the Monitor lizard? [honoluluzoo.org] Monitors belong to the family Varanidae. They are active lizards, that may be very hostile, lashing out with their tails upon the slightest provocation. Even a small monitor can produce a stinging lash with its tail. The claws of monitors are long and sharp. The jaws are very strong. Once they bite something it is very difficult to get them to let go. Perfect match! thanks, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] 10.1a4: YOU not able to access remote online update servers
On Dec 22, 05 14:41:34 +0100, Reinhard Gimbel wrote: There seems to be a bug in the stringhandling for the path to access the remote online update server ! Yes. Unfortunatly. I filed this behaviour as bug #140744. fixed. Anyone out there who could give advice ? you need yast2-packagemanager-2.13.14 cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] meeting minutes: openSUSE allhands meeting 2005-12-14
. * continuosly raise issues with the projects for management attention where needed (AI: aj, skh) We agree in case of doubt to not wait for any official blessings, but meanwhile work with Stefan's rules of thumb whereever reasonable. General communication issues (external) --- * The community cannot see what is checked in and when. - establish an opensuse-checkin mailinglist. (AI: mls, fs) Automatically forward dist-mails containing the recent cangelog entires there for all packages that appear on an openSUSE distribution. * migrate internal mailing lists to opensuse.org Candidates are: packagers, suse-network, devel-ftl, devel-gcc?, mobile? Non-candidates are: kernel and other mailing lists where security issues or servicepacks are discussed. (AI: hvogel visiting teamlead-meetings, mmj) * No more private status meetings. - open up as public IRC discussions, as excercised last monday. on a regular bi-weekly schedule. presumably 16h-17h MEST, or alternating time frames if required. Suggestion: collect agenda items in the wiki. AI: hvogel uses devel-ftl for the last time to announce the first meeting. - voting in such a meeting may be difficult. We must not raise expectations above the limits that novell can fulfill. - have internal coordination meetings only on demand (AI: adrian) * Make teams available interactivly. We should have one contact person per openSUSE team. Simply lingering around at IRC is not sufficient. We should offer instant messaging. AI skh: ask teams to update their wiki pages to include preferred means of contact (mailing list and/or IM/IRC nicks and networks) Encourage - Henne: We are in the postition that we can actively encourage and involve SUSE employees towards the openSUSE community. * sp votes for applying only mild force :-) * Klaas prefers to lure people by offering added value. Discussion results in the following order of precedence: First inform, then ask, then persuade, then actively help and support. Information should be forwarded via teamleads. Workload Project managers book resources from the teamleads. SLES10, SL10.1 deadlines are all before FOSDEM. Freitag endangers the future of his FATE project, by involving his team too deeply into openSUSE. Adding random resources from all over Novell is probably insufficient. 5) Next Steps = Short-Term Action Items --- * Make a Christmas-Theme or just some greeting for the Wiki. (AI: Henne, put some nice snow into the graphics) * Migrate mailinglists as defined above (AI: hvogel) * Announce preferred interactive contact per team at each team's wiki page. Details above. (AI: skh) Medium-Term Action Items * Strive for Opensource Build Service (AI: skh, aj) * clean up product naming. - 'openSUSE' vs. 'Suse LINUX OSS' is not correctly distinguished in the community or in the press. (AI: michl, aj) - 'eval', 'retail', 'plus' are not well defined. (AI: michl, aj, fs, hvogel, skh) * consolidate openSUSE web forums. There are several external opensuse-forums, that are willing to merge. None of the external forums comes with a defined long term commitment. Novell shall run an openSUSE web forum as a beta-test now. This Novell-forum relies on commercial software, which was inadequate in previous releases. (AI: michl, cthiel) * FOSDEM Build Service Prototype (AI: freitag, ro) - Budgetplan FOSDEM (AI: sp) -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] open suse?
On Dec 10, 05 16:39:10 -0300, Marcel Mourguiart wrote: 2005/12/10, Patricio Bruna V. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But there is a SUSE 10 OSS version. which if FREE. could i made modification to it and then sell it with a diferent name? would this be legal? Yes if you completely remove the Novell and SUSE brand name Please read the EULA, before you redistribute. One of the possibilities requires removing brand names. If in doubt, check the particular licenses of the packages that you like to redistribute and or modify. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Build Service team minutes (initial offsite meeting)
Hello SUSE-openers and friends of openSUSE! openSUSE now has formed a Build Service Team. Well, not really 'now' -- two weeks ago. Our web page is at http://www.opensuse.org/Build_Service_Team We started with a 2-day meeting at a remote hotel in Bärnfels, a small town in the beautiful franconian countryside. During the meeting, it started to snow and we had to dig out our cars afterwards. Anyway, we came home with - an impressive plan how the openSUSE engine might actually work, - and a solid TODO-list for getting a prototype up and running ... - to be shown at FOSDEM in February. Now read yourself: http://www.opensuse.org/BST_3linden_Minutes_en There is also a PDF version (16 Pages, 800k) version for offline reading, linked also at the bottom of http://www.opensuse.org/Build_Service_Team Happy hacking! cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
