[opensuse-factory] User Session automatic locking 10.2RC1
Hi, Has anyone found a way to defeat the automatic inactivity locking of user sessions? I've tried Yast SecurityUsers User Management but nothing available there. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: Dummy Updates for Yast YOU
Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, 1.I've added http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/suse/update/10.2/ to opensuseupdater in both 10.2b2 and 10.2RC1. In 10.2b2 opensuseupdater shows 7 patches available. In 10.2RC1 opensuseupdater shows none? Yes, that's strange - we'll check. 2.What happened to the dummy update I asked for back in September? That's what we did - that's why you have updates in beta2. 3.So far I've not seen any suggestion of how we might test Yast YOU / opensuseupdater / Zen. Bearing in mind that system updating was the single biggest failure in SUSE10.1, I am more than a little puzzled that nothing seems to have been done. We have created different updates for all the different cases we have, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpDgyCzZoYLe.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
Anybody an idea why (unlike with xfs or reiserfs) I could not manage to make an ext3 filesystem with external journal. After mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O /dev/sda5 /dev/hda7 I get: Unvollständige Dateisystem-Option gesetzt: /dev/sda5 And after mke2fs -b 4096 -n -j -J device=/dev/hda7 /dev/sda5 I end up with Filesystem has unexpected block size beim Versuch, das Journal-Device /dev/hda7 zu öffnen at the very end of the process. Also using tune2fs to convert: little:/home/fmf # tune2fs -j /dev/sda5 -J device=/dev/hda7 tune2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006) tune2fs: Filesystem has unexpected block size beim Öffnen des Journals auf /dev/hda7 after making an ext2 filesystem fails. What did I overlook here? Appreciating any help FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
On Sunday 26 November 2006 11:24, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: Anders Johansson schrieb: On Sunday 26 November 2006 11:06, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: Anybody an idea why (unlike with xfs or reiserfs) I could not manage to make an ext3 filesystem with external journal. After mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O /dev/sda5 /dev/hda7 I get: Unvollständige Dateisystem-Option gesetzt: /dev/sda5 Did you create the journal device first, as the man page says? If you want to have the file system on /dev/sda7 and the journal on /dev/sda5, you would do mkfs.ext3 -O journal_dev /dev/sda5 Then you can do mkfs.ext3 -j -J device=/dev/sda5 /dev/sda7 According to my message, this is what I did: mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O /dev/sda5 /dev/hda7 I think you misunderstand the manpage. It should literally be journal_dev, that shouldn't be replaced with a device name. If you want to have the journal on hda7, the command should be mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O journal_dev /dev/hda7 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
Anders Johansson schrieb: I think you misunderstand the manpage. It should literally be journal_dev, that shouldn't be replaced with a device name. If you want to have the journal on hda7, the command should be mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O journal_dev /dev/hda7 Right you are, thanks for the help, working now here! FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
Anders Johansson schrieb: I think you misunderstand the manpage. It should literally be journal_dev, that shouldn't be replaced with a device name. If you want to have the journal on hda7, the command should be mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O journal_dev /dev/hda7 Interesting: now after external journalling working I found out that using /dev/ram0 as journal device slows writing down a bit compared to local journal or journal on another disk. Strange. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
On Sunday 26 November 2006 12:33, Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: Anders Johansson schrieb: I think you misunderstand the manpage. It should literally be journal_dev, that shouldn't be replaced with a device name. If you want to have the journal on hda7, the command should be mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -O journal_dev /dev/hda7 Interesting: now after external journalling working I found out that using /dev/ram0 as journal device slows writing down a bit compared to local journal or journal on another disk. Strange. Using a ram disk as journal device is totally and utterly pointless. You might as well disable journalling completely then. The whole idea of keeping a journal is to have a log of metadata changes in case of a crash. If this log is kept in ram, it will be gone, making it completely useless I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Bleser schreef: Robby (M9.) wrote: How to change the size of a partition, fi /home? Partitions can only resized if not mounted... Depends. They can be resized online when you're using LVM and reiserfs (or XFS, but you can only grow XFS partitions, not shrink them). If you did not use LVM to create partitions, you can NOT use it afterwards..sorry. @volker: we seem to be part of the competition, since we are sold, but that doesn't matter.. The partitioners we have are inferior, you have to admit that. Inferior to what ? Not to any Linux distribution I know of. Inferior to fi Partition Magic. In this time, it is possible, to graphicly resize, move, delete or create partitions, and the real changes are made in between shut down and start-up. Why shouldn't this be possible for linux? It is. Why should we, in this time, stil calculate, by hand, for half an hour, or an hour, to get it right, with all the risks to loose the data you do not want to loose? huh? wtf are you doing ? Just use LVM in the first place. I did not in the first place, so if i want to change something, i have to delete everything, and start over, capice? cheers - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaYh/X5/X5X6LpDgRArGIAKCV/VEna511984I3+7eq+kvVEx4wQCglaiJ veWnVaqMKt+7Jc8rW2BlOE8= =vdqp -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:13:45PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much That depends on your point of view. From a user's point of view this is really pointless because it does not make any sense at all to use such a scenario on any productive system. For the developer of the code such observations could be quite valuable because the process of finding an explanation for such strange observations often uncover obscure bugs or design issues. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. pgpXsb1OCH46p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
On Sunday 26 November 2006 14:01, Robert Schiele wrote: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:13:45PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much That depends on your point of view. From a user's point of view this is really pointless because it does not make any sense at all to use such a scenario on any productive system. For the developer of the code such observations could be quite valuable because the process of finding an explanation for such strange observations often uncover obscure bugs or design issues. It could be as simple as the RAM disk taking up memory that would otherwise be used for buffering. Reducing the size of the buffers can cause substantial performance loss - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. schreef: The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 20:15 +0100, Robby (M9.) wrote: This is needed indeed, the available partioning features are 'antique', and not realy usable during use, only when all is 'clean'. I have used many times the Yast partitioning module on a live system. You are right, i will do it this way to. But I find it is a workaround... - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaZGAX5/X5X6LpDgRAqtoAKDHL+91s3iTiZzI5dtvexUgvMvr8wCglRUz hYooJk4AMTubuzPGqNSlG70= =vT44 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 02:04:17PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 26 November 2006 14:01, Robert Schiele wrote: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:13:45PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much That depends on your point of view. From a user's point of view this is really pointless because it does not make any sense at all to use such a scenario on any productive system. For the developer of the code such observations could be quite valuable because the process of finding an explanation for such strange observations often uncover obscure bugs or design issues. It could be as simple as the RAM disk taking up memory that would otherwise be used for buffering. Reducing the size of the buffers can cause substantial performance loss Sure this might be an explanation depending on the detailed setup that was done here. But only explanations that you can _prove_ to be the cause of the observation can eventually help uncovering a bug. Just listing explanations that _might_ be a cause could make a Sunday afternoon more entertaining but don't help in any way in the respect of identifying problems. Actually my point was not to force you providing an explanation but just to state that you cannot claim an observation pointless just because it results from a setup that does not make sense for production usage. Robert -- Robert Schiele Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. pgpddOpTBZboE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mauro Parra schreef: Hallo, On 11/25/06, Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The partitioners we have are inferior, you have to admit that. Inferior to what ? Not to any Linux distribution I know of. See Mandrake installer. The partition tool is totally sweet. Sometimes I still carry one disk 1 of mandrake, just to manipulate the disk's partitions. As I told M9 in other mail, there is some nice tools outside. Still, would be nice to have it on suse. ;) You did, and I am going to investigate these tools, also Mandrake, thnx guys for thinking with me :) -M -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFaZSwX5/X5X6LpDgRAim8AKC7qKbcnYngu7DDXlrMfKpYaTBmEQCcDD88 9FPha5ReiAQS7S5qTOR5cMQ= =C8V1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] ext3 140GB takes 23 min
Is it normal that it takes 23 min to format a 140GB partitioan with ext3? I can't remember that I encountered such long partitioning times with resiserfs. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
Robert Schiele schrieb: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:13:45PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much That depends on your point of view. From a user's point of view this is really pointless because it does not make any sense at all to use such a scenario on any productive system. For the developer of the code such observations could be quite valuable because the process of finding an explanation for such strange observations often uncover obscure bugs or design issues. Robert Right, I wanted to find out the impact of journal device speed on overall performance and had to learn: there is no useful correlation.There is not even a reasonable performance difference between internal and external journal on ext3. At least none that bonnie would show. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ext3 external journal impossible?
Anders Johansson schrieb: On Sunday 26 November 2006 14:01, Robert Schiele wrote: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 01:13:45PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote: I can't say why it should be slower, but since it shouldn't be used at all, it doesn't seem to matter much That depends on your point of view. From a user's point of view this is really pointless because it does not make any sense at all to use such a scenario on any productive system. For the developer of the code such observations could be quite valuable because the process of finding an explanation for such strange observations often uncover obscure bugs or design issues. It could be as simple as the RAM disk taking up memory that would otherwise be used for buffering. Reducing the size of the buffers can cause substantial performance loss Not really in my case, only about 50% of memory in use including the 32MB ram disk. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: Factory source for Internet installation
Terje J. Hanssen wrote: I've downloaded and installed the CD isos for 10.2 RC1, both OSS and non-OSS. However there are some packages I need and that I don't find afterwards with YaSTProgramsAdd-Remove software. These single rpms are however found in the factory links, but which have to be downloaded and installed manually from a terminal: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst-source-extra/ Why isn't these sources added automatically to YaST at the 10.2 RC1 installation? I've tried to add them as Yast HTTP Installation sources, but without succeed so far (errors like a server name is needed or url path). Therefor, what is the correct parts to be added as respective server name? url path? Any suggestions? Thanks, Terje J. Hanssen
[opensuse-factory] video configuration - multiple modes and virtual size
I have problems with the sax2 configuration panel. this is not recent, but is still there in 10.2. I don't see how I can manage to have several screen definition (640x480, 800x600...) or a virtual definition (800x600 on 640x480 screen) of course, I know how to add this with vi :-). the problem is quite unpleasant, mostly because it's bearly impossible to know what is the real size used by X - one need to go through xorg logs and they are not easy to read. ity's not either possible to know what bit size is used (8 bits, 16bits...). so it's necessary to use edit/try, comment out all but one mode, until the result is done. I remember the time where it was possible to do this with yast... before the sax interface change :-( nota bene: may be this is specially a problem for me on this computer because the neomagic card/screen don't accept the xorg.conf file values. With only 800x600 configured (default), the gnome screen definition applet displays 800x600, but the screen IS 640x480. It accepts 800x600 virtual, but I have to do this manually. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
Hello, I updated beta2 to RC1 yesterday. Installation sources: Factory tree and inst-source-extra from yesterday, which should be newer than RC1. Things I noted: - grub is not installed - my system still boots the grub which was installed by 10.1 (still living on another partition) relevant partitions: /dev/hda7: 10.2 RC1; /dev/hda5: 10.1 final /etc/grub.conf: install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,4)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,4)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,4)/boot/grub/menu.lst install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,4)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,6) (hd0,4)/boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,6)/boot/grub/menu.lst quit Hmm, maybe I missed something when cloning hda5 to hda7... - Worth a bugreport? - no online updates available (already mentioned in another thread) - some other bugs which were fixed some days ago (like #222728, #220273, #222478) did not hit Factory yet (aka yesterday, gwdg mirror). - How up to date is Factory currently? The good news: I could verify several bugs as fixed :-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Comic Sans Man möge mir verzeihen, aber ich möchte mich im Rahmen dieses Essays in erster Linie mit Schriften auseinandersetzen, nicht mit Krankheiten. [http://praegnanz.de/essays/136/typo-im-web-html-schriften-unter-der-lupe] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Massive Feature Request of new Yast Modules for 10.3
Hello, Am Samstag, 25. November 2006 21:18 schrieb Robby (M9.): gpgkeys: key 5F9FD7E57E8BA438 not found on keyserver BTW: Your GPG key still isn't available on the keyservers :-( I can not believe, that i am the only one, who thinks, that the available partitioners do not work. If you do not use LVM, you can not use it to make changes afterwards.. Huh? If you use LVM, you can not make changes afterwards... Huh? (I don't use LVM, but I would be _very_ surprised if this was true.) If you use the partitioner from yast, which i do, you are not able to throw away, and recreate partitions, This _is_ possible - and I did this (on a 10.1 system) successfully. simply because you can not see what you are doing. Hmm, I had no problems - maybe you should provide more details (and/or upload some screenshots somewhere ;-) You can only make partitions smaller, not move or resize a usable way.. it is not praktical to count all the cylinders, because than a simple transaction takes few hours, you have to calculate everything Again: I don't really understand your problems, please provide more details and/or screenshots. Everybody who uses them, knows that it is true what i am saying, because it is. Never say that you are everybody ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Und was lest ihr Jungs auf dem Klo??? Die c't haelt da ca. die 2 Wochen bis zur naechsten Ausgabe ;) Du verstehst das falsch... was du suchst ist die Zeitschrift Klopapier/Ausgabe: 3-lagig... :-) [ David Haller und Jan Theofel in linux-liste] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpZYyi1TxcIv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
2006/11/26, Christian Boltz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I updated beta2 to RC1 yesterday. Installation sources: Factory tree and inst-source-extra from yesterday, which should be newer than RC1. How has You made the update, online, or via CDs? Because online I could'nt make the update. Thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? 100% ACK Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. Yes please, it will definitely help disambiguating. It would also need to be changed in yast/rug/zypper/zmd, but that's somewhat lower priority (and possibly a different topic). FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Perfect. Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree All in all, much better like that. Couldn't agree more. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFabuFr3NMWliFcXcRAif2AJ9X4X8Ejy598Ia++qZohxPVP+D8EwCfYZAE FRapMGo4L5sXPFgzQZJmqBY= =XIu6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 04:56:33PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? [...] Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: I would prefer factory/repo although there might never be a factory/iso, it would keep the naming within a consistent scheme. * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas Regards, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Monday 27 November 2006 02:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! I realise it's a bit late to comment now, but I am curious to know why you have not mentioned the update repositories in this proposal? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
Hello, first: there's another issue: I could not register while update (None of the installed products can be registered at the Novell registration server.) - bugreport? Am Sonntag, 26. November 2006 17:02 schrieb Juan Erbes: 2006/11/26, Christian Boltz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Installation sources: Factory tree and inst-source-extra from yesterday, which should be newer than RC1. How has You made the update, online, or via CDs? Because online I could'nt make the update. I have mirrored Factory and -extra (with several --exclude's) and added the install kernel and initrd to my grub menu. http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_without_CD Regards, Christian Boltz -- URLs: absurd lange Worte die man nicht umbrechen darf [David Haller] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Dummy Updates for Yast YOU
On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:25, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: Only opensuseupdater is concerned by the problem. YOU shows the available test patches. I did installation without Zenworks and can confirm the problem. Can you guys please: - open a bugreport run as root: zypp-checkpatches result.xml and save the resulting xml. Send also /var/lib/zypp/cache/updates_* also: ZYPP_LOGFILE=log.txt zypp-checkpatches and send log.txt (attach to the bug), then let me know the bug number Thanks Duncan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:37, Christian Boltz wrote: - grub is not installed - my system still boots the grub which was installed by 10.1 (still living on another partition) Possibly bug #223576? Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgp31SmJcBnzX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Factory source for Internet installation
On Sunday 26 November 2006 08:11, Terje J. Hanssen wrote: These single rpms are however found in the factory links, but which have to be downloaded and installed manually from a terminal: http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-sou rce/ http://ftp.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst -source-extra/ Don't use the opensuse.org links for your installation source urls since the bandwidth is severly restricted. If you need to add a factory mirror, go to http://en.opensuse.org/Factory_Mirror_List and choose a mirror that's close to you. Why isn't these sources added automatically to YaST at the 10.2 RC1 installation? Unknown, maybe because it's a test release or a geographical issue. I've tried to add them as Yast HTTP Installation sources, but without succeed so far (errors like a server name is needed or url path). Therefor, what is the correct parts to be added as respective server name? url path? Any suggestions? Yast2 --- Installation source --- add --- specific url --- and in the url box enter something like ftp://closest_mirror/pub/mirrors/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse where closest_mirror is one of the mirrors closest to you. The actual full path may differ depending on the mirror but if you point to the directory that contains the repodata directory(usually suse), it should install ok. If it just hangs for an extended period it may be due to low bandwidth from the mirror and you may need to try an alternative. Also, if you use the add local directory option and check the iso image box, you can browse to the iso image you may have used to burn the cds or dvd and add it as an installation source. This saves you from having to insert the disk(s) each time you want to add packages from it. Granted, this won't help for packages only present on the factory mirrors elsewhere but it will save you from wasting bandwidth for any package already present on the installation disk(s). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
Hello, Am Sonntag, 26. November 2006 18:14 schrieb Andras Mantia: On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:37, Christian Boltz wrote: - grub is not installed - my system still boots the grub which was installed by 10.1 (still living on another partition) Possibly bug #223576? I don't think so for several reasons: - only one harddisk - booting works (with the old grub from 10.1) - 10.2's grub was obviously not even installed (your bugreport sounds like it was) - mixing things up in a way that exactly meets the 10.1 state from the other partition would be a bit too lucky ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz PS: I see the update-test-trivial update again in both opensuse-updater and YOU after I have re-enabled the update source (side effect of the failed registration) -- echo `rpm -qpil *.rpm` | cat - packete.txt # [...] Hm, kriegt David da gerade im Hintergrund nen Nervenzusammenbruch ;-) *UUUARGGGh* *h* *nachLuftring* *schluchz* Warum quaelt ihr mich so? Was hab ich verbrochen? [ Manfred Tremmel und David Haller in suse-linux] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jaeger schreef: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Andreas Looks totaly allright for me.. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFac/EX5/X5X6LpDgRAiRrAJ4gX5a8gztGvHyw6bysNqfIB8Y/cgCfX5GT 5Ac02MxfRqxiU7/KrZiFQAY= =e/X6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
On Sunday 26 November 2006 18:25, Christian Boltz wrote: Hello, Am Sonntag, 26. November 2006 18:14 schrieb Andras Mantia: On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:37, Christian Boltz wrote: - grub is not installed - my system still boots the grub which was installed by 10.1 (still living on another partition) Possibly bug #223576? I don't think so for several reasons: - only one harddisk - booting works (with the old grub from 10.1) - 10.2's grub was obviously not even installed (your bugreport sounds like it was) - mixing things up in a way that exactly meets the 10.1 state from the other partition would be a bit too lucky ;-) 10.1 installed grub to the /boot partition, and made it active. The MBR boots the active partition. Your 10.2 install could have installed grub to its /boot partition and never made it active. This could be why it doesn't show. To test this, start fdisk and make your 10.2 partition active, and reboot - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? Goals = * Clear naming * Smaller repositories for faster metadata download * Use structure for 10.3 again Separate trees == * OSS (factory) * NON-OSS (factory-extra) * Debug (factory-debug) * Sources for OSS * Sources for NON-OSS Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. FTP Structure = Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a 10.2 with the following subdirectories: * iso * repo The iso subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * delta - delta ISO images * dvd - DVD5 iso images * cd - CD iso images, contains Base CDs and Add-ons (including Non-OSS Addon) * torrent (all torrent files) The repo subdirectory has the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: * debug - repository with just debuginfo packages * non-oss - repository with only Non-OSS packages * oss - repository with only OSS packages * src-non-oss - source RPMs for the non-oss tree * src-oss - source RPMs for the oss tree I really like it. I only wish we could shorten distribution to dist. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: congratulations...
On Sunday 26 November 2006 09:13, jdd wrote: jdd a écrit : I want to congratulate the openSUSE 10.2 developpers, because I'm on the way of installing the RC1 on a very low end machine http://fr.opensuse.org/Utilisateur:Jdd/alb/La_Mouette finally the install goes well and gnome run quite well. I mention it because it's very interesting to have an uptodate OS running on a 7 years old computer. thanks all jdd Jean, have you put that on MiniSUSE page? People are looking for smaller SUSE. (MiniSUSE 8,388 views) I plan to see how works advice in http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_with_Little_Memory -- Regards, Rajko M. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: congratulations...
Rajko M a écrit : have you put that on MiniSUSE page? wasn't, but is now :-) I advocate for a new Linuw advertisements: If you buy Vista, for sure you need a brand new computer. Please, give me the old one, I need it to install my brand new openSUSE... or If you buy Vista, for sure you need a brand new computer. Better use the brand new openSUSE on the old one and keep your money for the very last ipod or the new large flat screen TV... :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] 10.2 RC1 YaST2 Online-Update Error and Zen updates
Running a 10.2RC1 YaST2 Online-Update, I'm wondering what this error message mean and what the reason is: Initializing online-updates Updating sources . No access to Installation medium SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates CD1 Verify that the server is available Address ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2 Curl error for: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2/repodata/repomd.xml: Error code: Unrecognized error Error message: FTP response reading failed Doing a testing with the browser, I had no problem to connect to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2 Well, I selected OK, and this time the online update process continued without more Error. There wasn't however currently any online updates available. At the same time the orange Zen ikon reports there are 559 software updates available!? Therefore I wonder. What are the difference between the type of updates that does come with YaST2 online updates and those updates that come through Zen? Terje J. Hanssen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)
Marcus Meissner schrieb: On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:32:51PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: opensuseupdater shows me no updates. What am I doing wrong? There are no new updates for RC1 yet. I've just installed another 11 updates, like an hour ago. FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2 RC1 YaST2 Online-Update Error and Zen updates
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:45:23PM +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote: Running a 10.2RC1 YaST2 Online-Update, I'm wondering what this error message mean and what the reason is: Initializing online-updates Updating sources . No access to Installation medium SUSE-Linux-10.2-Updates CD1 Verify that the server is available Address ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2 Curl error for: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2/repodata/repomd.xml: Error code: Unrecognized error Error message: FTP response reading failed Doing a testing with the browser, I had no problem to connect to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/update/10.2 Well, I selected OK, and this time the online update process continued without more Error. There wasn't however currently any online updates available. At the same time the orange Zen ikon reports there are 559 software updates available!? Therefore I wonder. What are the difference between the type of updates that does come with YaST2 online updates and those updates that come through Zen? ftp.suse.com is overloaded, which I guess this is the reason for above errors. Please use a mirror. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 08:00:49PM +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:32:51PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: opensuseupdater shows me no updates. What am I doing wrong? There are no new updates for RC1 yet. 2 now: - fetchmsttfonts script for TrueType fonts. - libzypp 3rd test update kernel will follow when ready. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1 installation
Hello, Am Sonntag, 26. November 2006 17:34 schrieb Anders Johansson: [...] 10.1 installed grub to the /boot partition, and made it active. The MBR boots the active partition. Your 10.2 install could have installed grub to its /boot partition and never made it active. This could be why it doesn't show. To test this, start fdisk and make your 10.2 partition active, and reboot I guess that's pointless because my 10.1 grub lives in the MBR. Nevertheless, I'll make the 10.2 partition active - but I will replace the reboot by shutdown, sleep, boot ;-) so I will report back tomorrow. Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ich weiss leider nicht was du damit meinst. Was ist ein IE? [Franz Preihs in suse-linux] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Dummy Updates for Yast YOU
On Monday 27 November 2006 04:04, Duncan Mac-Vicar wrote: On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:25, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: Only opensuseupdater is concerned by the problem. YOU shows the available test patches. I did installation without Zenworks and can confirm the problem. Can you guys please: - open a bugreport Done #223814 run as root: zypp-checkpatches result.xml and save the resulting xml. Send also /var/lib/zypp/cache/updates_* also: ZYPP_LOGFILE=log.txt zypp-checkpatches and send log.txt (attach to the bug), then let me know the bug number Done (above) Thanks Duncan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Dummy Updates for Yast YOU
2006/11/26, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, 1.I've added http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/suse/update/10.2/ to opensuseupdater in both 10.2b2 and 10.2RC1. In 10.2b2 opensuseupdater shows 7 patches available. In 10.2RC1 opensuseupdater shows none? Yes, that's strange - we'll check. 2.What happened to the dummy update I asked for back in September? That's what we did - that's why you have updates in beta2. 3.So far I've not seen any suggestion of how we might test Yast YOU / opensuseupdater / Zen. Bearing in mind that system updating was the single biggest failure in SUSE10.1, I am more than a little puzzled that nothing seems to have been done. We have created different updates for all the different cases we have, I use for smart and YOU the repo http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ and the packages from my system are from beta 2, and smart and YOU, dont show any package for update, and in YOU apper about 70% of the packages in red, such as the packages from the repo are a version older than the I have in my system. I mean the metadata from the repo http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ is from beta 1. Thanks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)
Marcus Meissner schrieb: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 08:00:49PM +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 08:32:51PM +0100, Marcel Hilzinger wrote: opensuseupdater shows me no updates. What am I doing wrong? There are no new updates for RC1 yet. 2 now: - fetchmsttfonts script for TrueType fonts. - libzypp 3rd test update kernel will follow when ready. Started libzypp 3rd test update about one hour ago. Now it's hanging for a while at 99% - updating software - finishing... What are we testing here? The bandwidth of the update server? FMF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Test for Online Update (RC1)
Marcus Meissner schrieb: Started libzypp 3rd test update about one hour ago. Now it's hanging for a while at 99% - updating software - finishing... What are we testing here? The bandwidth of the update server? I used yast online update to test. If you used ZMD/zen-updater and it hangs please open a bugreport. (And it downloaded delta and patch rpms for me, so not much bandwith). Bug 223828 Submitted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 27 November 2006 02:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! I realise it's a bit late to comment now, but I am curious to know why you have not mentioned the update repositories in this proposal? They're currently on ftp.suse.com and we haven't decided on migrating them over... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp6OYUTKEe23.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Naming == * let's use repository instead of catalog, inst-source etc. This is the one I like best :) Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: Keep it symmetric and use factory/repo/ instead, as already suggested. Nothing else that I can think of. Thanks Andreas, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Am Sunday 26 November 2006 17:22 schrieb Marcel Hilzinger: On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 04:56:33PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Thanks a lot for all your comments, I have refined my proposal now taking them into account! How does this look? Are we fine to go for 10.2 and 10.3 with these? [...] Factory Distribution The factory tree should be separated in a similar way: Below .../opensuse/distribution/ we will have a factory-repo with the following subdirectories: I would prefer factory/repo although there might never be a factory/iso, it would keep the naming within a consistent scheme. Actually, I do not want to touch the factory directories atm, because we will anyway move them into the build service later. Changing it for that timeframe does only cause problems IMHO. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: Directory structure for ftp tree of openSUSE 10.2
Hello, Adrian Schröter wrote: Actually, I do not want to touch the factory directories atm, because we will anyway move them into the build service later. Changing it for that timeframe does only cause problems IMHO. What does it mean for PPC users? No more 'factory', or there will be PPC buildservice soon? Bye, -- CzP http://peter.czanik.hu/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
