date:20110320

OK lets Raja have a discussion with them and see the respond (Skali Cloud).

For Windows Azure, we need to come in as users and customers as early
as we can so we can create our own demand (business demand). They
already implement PHP and Pyhton and we need more.

>From business point of view. I don't care which platform I want to run
my application. Azure, Google, Amazon, Skali and many more cloud
solution are just a platform for running my application. With what and
how its build important to me. Its must base on OSS programming with
OSS license.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:
> perhaps, as a FLOSS supporter...
> we/they have a deep distrust of MS (we are talking of Azure, right?) ?!
>
> I notice there is interest on this list on the Skali Cloud and perhaps
> others
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Boh Yap

perhaps, as a FLOSS supporter...
we/they have a deep distrust of MS (we are talking of Azure, right?) ?!

I notice there is interest on this list on the Skali Cloud and perhaps
others

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> Team,
>
> only 15 participants came to this workshop. I believe we need to
> improved, how we can we make sure the one that accept "I'm attending",
> will attend. Its takes resources and time for organizer to setup this
> workshop. I hope they don't stop.
>
> Cloud is another platform that we as Malaysian developers need to look
> into. Cloud like any other hardware platform, server and PC, thats
> being manufactured and branded as many names for example  HP, DELL and
> IBM. Cloud is just another platform that we can install OS,
> application and services.
>
> For the one that attending this workshop, share us pictures and notes.
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
>> Final call 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>>  wrote:
>>> Anyone with PHP knowledge want to try Azure ?
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS
>>>
>>> http://portal.mosc.my/events/windows-azure-cloud-workshop-to-oss
>>>
>>> Time: 9.00 am to 5.00 pm, March 19, 2011.
>>>
>>> Venue: Info Trek Training Facility - Unit 3.50, Level 3, Amcorp Mall,
>>> 18, Persiaran Barat, 46050 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan
>>>
>>> FREE entry.
>>>
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM, zarul shahrin  wrote:
> Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about learning beyond the
> basic things. I would rather learn in English and spend my time solving
> problems than busy doing cross references.

This, assuming all the knowledges are in English which is mostly true
up to this moment but not guaranteed to stay the same for generations
to come. Once you have come up pass the 'language barrier', it's not
the main factor anymore and almost negligible in the learning process.

This remind me to the past few years ago when nginx first came out to
the scene. English documentation rather scarce - almost non existent.
If no people made an attempt to translate the documentation into
English - maybe I have to learn Russian in order to use it. This
simply show that translation always needed, you only need to decide
the 'storage' for the translation. Currently people choose English as
the 'storage' for reasons that we all know but that could also change
in the future.

>Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the employment 
>rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies...

Trust me, the problem is more than just a language. If we can fix this
by simply 'giving' them English, I call this miracle.

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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Boh Yap

hmmm...

Skali is not exactly a FLOSS player, they were an early player to try
to be a major ISP, but there are leaner, smaller, cheaper guys out
there now...

I don't think they will willingly divulge their technology to
'educate' others (so they would think) such that other competitors
will grow to challenge them!

On the other hand they can work with the FLOSS community... and grow
bigger; depends on their corporate mindset..

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
>> They did sponsor for MOSC2010. So this time around need them to share
>> knowledge for cloud.
>>
>
> We should have a community workshop on this topic. Let's play around
> with all the virtualization technologies out there and come out with
> some sort of guideline on how to implement a cloud platform out of
> this. This way more people can start offering their cloud
> implementation, increasing competition and as a result - lowering the
> price.
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> They did sponsor for MOSC2010. So this time around need them to share
> knowledge for cloud.
>

We should have a community workshop on this topic. Let's play around
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this. This way more people can start offering their cloud
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM, wari...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Raja, kindly just ask them what is their backend Hypervisor if U can (and
> they want to answer).

Prior to this I did not realized kvm based hosting already gone
mainstream - search through google revealed several other providers
that using kvm for their virtualization solution. Quite interesting to
see this and it mean when it come to virtualization we now have to
choose between - openvz/virtuozzo, xen or kvm.

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But when it comes to swearing bahasa has a chance:
WTF (3), Pundek (2), Kanenabu (4 - hokkien dialect, cantonese is too
vulgar)


On 3/20/11 10:44 PM, red1 wrote:

  
Its the syallables in Bahasa that are of higher quantity than many
other languages i know. For example Hotel in bahasa will be Rumah
Penginapan (6 syls).  Arabic is Funduq (2), cina also 2, French 2.
Discussion (3) in bahasa is perbincangan (4), Arabic is Muzakarah (4),
Cina (2), French dialog (2).
Freedom (2), is Kebebasan (4), Arabic (3), Cina (2), French - Liberte
(3)
Nine (1), Sembilan (3), Tas'a (2), Qiu (1), Neuf (1).
Love (1), Kasih-sayang (4), Habba (2), Ai (1), Aime (oneee).
  
Rather challenging for a binary world <-- try translating this in
one breath.

 





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Its the syallables in Bahasa that are of higher quantity than many
other languages i know. For example Hotel in bahasa will be Rumah
Penginapan (6 syls).  Arabic is Funduq (2), cina also 2, French 2.
Discussion (3) in bahasa is perbincangan (4), Arabic is Muzakarah (4),
Cina (2), French dialog (2).
Freedom (2), is Kebebasan (4), Arabic (3), Cina (2), French - Liberte
(3)
Nine (1), Sembilan (3), Tas'a (2), Qiu (1), Neuf (1).
Love (1), Kasih-sayang (4), Habba (2), Ai (1), Aime (oneee).

Rather challenging for a binary world <-- try translating this in
one breath.


On 3/20/11 9:50 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about
learning beyond the basic things. I would rather learn in English and
spend my time solving problems than busy doing cross references.
  
  
  Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the
employment rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies...
  
  
  On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ghodmode 
wrote:
  
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1  wrote:




  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak
sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk
alam ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera,
cukup cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
  



Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or
finance, but I disagree.  Any language can handle new words and
describe new concepts.  These IT words are only a problem because we
already knew them in English before we tried to use them in Malay.

If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one,
they would give it a name.  Americans came up with the name "mouse"
because they thought it looked like a mouse.  A Malaysian would
probably give it a completely different name.
 



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They did sponsor for MOSC2010. So this time around need them to share
knowledge for cloud.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
> Better, ask them whether we can get discount.
> Actually if they do use a open source backend, they are a best candidate for
> a talk, and sponsor to a talk. both of community and company will be
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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik fenris

nanti sy cuba .. sbb staff sy ade subscribe .. usb dongle on mac osx ok jerk
sbb dia ade installer ...

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

> Rumours are that they will bring in an Android phone. Hopefully that
> should be tetherable, not to mention rootable heh
>
> haris bin ali
>
> http://qedx.com
>
> Screw the environment. Please print this email immediately. And then burn
> it.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:51 PM, joshuatly  wrote:
> > I'm using huddle too. My only complain for yes4g is their coverage. No
> > coverage in my hostel (appartment) and poor and spotty coverage in my
> > college.
> >
> > Joshuatly Tee Lien Yu
> > Sent from my HTC Desire Z.
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2011 9:31 PM, "Raja Iskandar Shah" 
> > wrote:
> >> ok have just signed up for yes, wimax, from the yes centre at kl
> sentral.
> >>
> >> i am using the huddle, where the computers can connect via wifi only
> (the
> >> usb cable is only for charging). now connected with ubuntu 10.04 nbr.
> >>
> >> paid for the rm1199 package using the 0% installment (rm50 over 24
> >> months).
> >> this gives the huddle for 'free' with rm800 credit. converting the
> credit
> >> to
> >> value pack will give me 5x 10GB.
> >>
> >> running speedtest.net from presint 9 putrajaya gives me 4.5mbps
> download
> >> and
> >> 1.5mbps upload. so much better than maxis.
> >>
> >> the go dongle does not work with linux.
> >>
> >> according to the sales rep, the buzz hphone doesnt work with linux ;-( .
> >> unfortunately, i did not bring my netbook to test this out. considering
> >> that
> >> i can connect to the internet with my 'oldie' 3g phone, then i would
> think
> >> it is technically possible. but the sales rep did mention that there
> will
> >> be
> >> another model coming out (not sure when), so will wait for that.
> >>
> >> by the way, with 1 account, can have up to three devices using that
> >> account.
> >>
> >> oppss... just did a retest on speedtest.net, this time got 5.7mbps
> >> download
> >> and 1.8mbps upload.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux because
> >>> there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one
> for
> >>> android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have
> >>> Windows/OSX
> >>> on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only
> option
> >>> is
> >>> to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> >>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.
> 
>  planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the
> go
>  dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same account
>  ;-)
> 
>  if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a
> usb
>  /
>  lan connection ?
> 
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin
>  wrote:
> 
> > Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle
> > (which I am using).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> > jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on
> any
> >> linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me,
> >> except for
> >> home package with that big black yes modem.
> >>
> >> perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to
> >> find
> >> the driver :p
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> >> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> dear all
> >>>
> >>> anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?
> >>>
> >>> planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is
> >>> often congested / slow / dropped
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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng

Better, ask them whether we can get discount.

Actually if they do use a open source backend, they are a best candidate for
a talk, and sponsor to a talk. both of community and company will be
promoted either way

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM, wari...@gmail.com wrote:

> Raja, kindly just ask them what is their backend Hypervisor if U can (and
> they want to answer).
>
> Cheers..
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bro,
>>
>> Can ask them to taja one workshop to OSS developers. So we can review
>> and test the cloud?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>>  wrote:
>> > i have an appointment with a rep for skalicloud tomorrow.
>> >
>> > thanks for sharing what you have had. will you blog this ? put some
>> > screenshots.
>> >
>> > thinking of having this for a local implementation (malaysian visitors
>> > only). requires java for batch processing some backend services. will
>> have
>> > to see how much it all adds up.
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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik wari...@gmail.com

Raja, kindly just ask them what is their backend Hypervisor if U can (and
they want to answer).

Cheers.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bro,
>
> Can ask them to taja one workshop to OSS developers. So we can review
> and test the cloud?
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > i have an appointment with a rep for skalicloud tomorrow.
> >
> > thanks for sharing what you have had. will you blog this ? put some
> > screenshots.
> >
> > thinking of having this for a local implementation (malaysian visitors
> > only). requires java for batch processing some backend services. will
> have
> > to see how much it all adds up.
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Yusdirman Lubis

bhd melayu tak bagus?

"Rasulullah s.a.w. bersabda yang bermaksud:
"Orang Mukmin yang paling sempurna imannya
ialah yang paling baik akhlaknya."
(Hadith Riwayat Ahmad)."



On 20 March 2011 18:20, red1  wrote:

>  US tu memang Syarikat.. nama je negara tetapi buat bisnis tak kira minyak
> ke, senjata ke, trade agreement ke, software patent ke... nak je cekik leher
> dunia lain...  ramai sangat NGO tentang sama AS setiap kali ada WTO.
>
>
> On 3/20/11 5:47 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, darXness darXness wrote:
>
>> Because Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
>> translate
>
>
> That's the rule.  Proper nouns shouldn't be translated because they
> represent something specific and that meaning can be lost in translation,
> but that rule isn't often broken.  I guess it's just Dewan Bahasa Suka
> Hati.  For example, "The United States of America" is poorly translated as
> "Amerika Syarikat" and the meaning of the name is almost completely lost.
>
> This is exactly my point.  These words and phrases represent a specific
> device or action in the context of IT.  They represent specific devices or
> actions in a specific context.  If we translate them, we might lose meaning.
>
> Are we going to translate the verb "google" also? ref:
> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6091289.html
>
> I looked it up.  New words, or new word usages like these, are called
> neologisms.  ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism
>
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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Haris bin Ali

Rumours are that they will bring in an Android phone. Hopefully that
should be tetherable, not to mention rootable heh

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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:51 PM, joshuatly  wrote:
> I'm using huddle too. My only complain for yes4g is their coverage. No
> coverage in my hostel (appartment) and poor and spotty coverage in my
> college.
>
> Joshuatly Tee Lien Yu
> Sent from my HTC Desire Z.
>
> On Mar 20, 2011 9:31 PM, "Raja Iskandar Shah" 
> wrote:
>> ok have just signed up for yes, wimax, from the yes centre at kl sentral.
>>
>> i am using the huddle, where the computers can connect via wifi only (the
>> usb cable is only for charging). now connected with ubuntu 10.04 nbr.
>>
>> paid for the rm1199 package using the 0% installment (rm50 over 24
>> months).
>> this gives the huddle for 'free' with rm800 credit. converting the credit
>> to
>> value pack will give me 5x 10GB.
>>
>> running speedtest.net from presint 9 putrajaya gives me 4.5mbps download
>> and
>> 1.5mbps upload. so much better than maxis.
>>
>> the go dongle does not work with linux.
>>
>> according to the sales rep, the buzz hphone doesnt work with linux ;-( .
>> unfortunately, i did not bring my netbook to test this out. considering
>> that
>> i can connect to the internet with my 'oldie' 3g phone, then i would think
>> it is technically possible. but the sales rep did mention that there will
>> be
>> another model coming out (not sure when), so will wait for that.
>>
>> by the way, with 1 account, can have up to three devices using that
>> account.
>>
>> oppss... just did a retest on speedtest.net, this time got 5.7mbps
>> download
>> and 1.8mbps upload.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux because
>>> there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one for
>>> android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have
>>> Windows/OSX
>>> on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only option
>>> is
>>> to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.

 planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the go
 dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same account
 ;-)

 if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a usb
 /
 lan connection ?



 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin
 wrote:

> Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle
> (which I am using).
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any
>> linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me,
>> except for
>> home package with that big black yes modem.
>>
>> perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to
>> find
>> the driver :p
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> dear all
>>>
>>> anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?
>>>
>>> planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is
>>> often congested / slow / dropped
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik zarul shahrin

Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about learning beyond the
basic things. I would rather learn in English and spend my time solving
problems than busy doing cross references.

Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the employment
rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies...


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk alam
>> ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera, cukup
>> cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
>>
>
> Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or finance,
> but I disagree.  Any language can handle new words and describe new
> concepts.  These IT words are only a problem because we already knew them in
> English before we tried to use them in Malay.
>
> If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one, they
> would give it a name.  Americans came up with the name "mouse" because they
> thought it looked like a mouse.  A Malaysian would probably give it a
> completely different name.
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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik joshuatly

I'm using huddle too. My only complain for yes4g is their coverage. No
coverage in my hostel (appartment) and poor and spotty coverage in my
college.

Joshuatly Tee Lien Yu
Sent from my HTC Desire Z.
On Mar 20, 2011 9:31 PM, "Raja Iskandar Shah" 
wrote:
> ok have just signed up for yes, wimax, from the yes centre at kl sentral.
>
> i am using the huddle, where the computers can connect via wifi only (the
> usb cable is only for charging). now connected with ubuntu 10.04 nbr.
>
> paid for the rm1199 package using the 0% installment (rm50 over 24
months).
> this gives the huddle for 'free' with rm800 credit. converting the credit
to
> value pack will give me 5x 10GB.
>
> running speedtest.net from presint 9 putrajaya gives me 4.5mbps download
and
> 1.5mbps upload. so much better than maxis.
>
> the go dongle does not work with linux.
>
> according to the sales rep, the buzz hphone doesnt work with linux ;-( .
> unfortunately, i did not bring my netbook to test this out. considering
that
> i can connect to the internet with my 'oldie' 3g phone, then i would think
> it is technically possible. but the sales rep did mention that there will
be
> another model coming out (not sure when), so will wait for that.
>
> by the way, with 1 account, can have up to three devices using that
account.
>
> oppss... just did a retest on speedtest.net, this time got 5.7mbps
download
> and 1.8mbps upload.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>
>> Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux because
>> there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one for
>> android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have
Windows/OSX
>> on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only option
is
>> to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.
>>>
>>> planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the go
>>> dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same account
;-)
>>>
>>> if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a usb
/
>>> lan connection ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>
 Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle
 (which I am using).




 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
 jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any
> linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me,
except for
> home package with that big black yes modem.
>
> perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to
find
> the driver :p
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dear all
>>
>> anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?
>>
>> planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is
>> often congested / slow / dropped
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk alam
> ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera, cukup
> cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
>

Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or finance,
but I disagree.  Any language can handle new words and describe new
concepts.  These IT words are only a problem because we already knew them in
English before we tried to use them in Malay.

If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one, they
would give it a name.  Americans came up with the name "mouse" because they
thought it looked like a mouse.  A Malaysian would probably give it a
completely different name.

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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Raja Iskandar Shah

ok have just signed up for yes, wimax, from the yes centre at kl sentral.

i am using the huddle, where the computers can connect via wifi only (the
usb cable is only for charging). now connected with ubuntu 10.04 nbr.

paid for the rm1199 package using the 0% installment (rm50 over 24 months).
this gives the huddle for 'free' with rm800 credit. converting the credit to
value pack will give me 5x 10GB.

running speedtest.net from presint 9 putrajaya gives me 4.5mbps download and
1.5mbps upload. so much better than maxis.

the go dongle does not work with linux.

according to the sales rep, the buzz hphone doesnt work with linux ;-( .
unfortunately, i did not bring my netbook to test this out. considering that
i can connect to the internet with my 'oldie' 3g phone, then i would think
it is technically possible. but the sales rep did mention that there will be
another model coming out (not sure when), so will wait for that.

by the way, with 1 account, can have up to three devices using that account.

oppss... just did a retest on speedtest.net, this time got 5.7mbps download
and 1.8mbps upload.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 AM, E A Faisal  wrote:

> Yes usb dongle definitely not working under all flavor of Linux because
> there is no driver for the device. It was reported there will be one for
> android, but I won't put my hopes too high on this. If you have Windows/OSX
> on a VM, perhaps you can still use the dongle. Otherwise your only option is
> to hack a (userland?) driver yourself.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> tried the huddle before. it works. just like wifi connection.
>>
>> planning to buy the buzz phone for myself (connects via usb) and the go
>> dongle for the wife's pc (no wifi). two devices can share same account ;-)
>>
>> if the dongle dont work for ubuntu, then for the huddle, is there a usb /
>> lan connection ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:48 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle
>>> (which I am using).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any
 linux distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me, except for
 home package with that big black yes modem.

 perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to find
 the driver :p

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
 rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dear all
>
> anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?
>
> planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is
> often congested / slow / dropped
>
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Re: [osdcmy] Looking In The Cloud

Next september(maybe) would be an event in UIA on OSS and Sabily has been 
invited to give a talk on Linux.
Maybe we can suggest them if they are interested in Cloud Technology.
Just my suggestion.
Tajul Azhar

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Subject: [osdcmy] Looking In The Cloud

Team,

We are going to meet universities, for OEC programs and open source
conference. Cloud like any hardware platform, we need to prepare and
make sure that our students knows how to program and develop in OSS.
:)

Need ideas and support to do this.

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[osdcmy] Looking In The Cloud

Team,

We are going to meet universities, for OEC programs and open source
conference. Cloud like any hardware platform, we need to prepare and
make sure that our students knows how to program and develop in OSS.
:)

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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

Bro,

Can ask them to taja one workshop to OSS developers. So we can review
and test the cloud?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> i have an appointment with a rep for skalicloud tomorrow.
>
> thanks for sharing what you have had. will you blog this ? put some
> screenshots.
>
> thinking of having this for a local implementation (malaysian visitors
> only). requires java for batch processing some backend services. will have
> to see how much it all adds up.

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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Raja Iskandar Shah

i have an appointment with a rep for skalicloud tomorrow.

thanks for sharing what you have had. will you blog this ? put some
screenshots.

thinking of having this for a local implementation (malaysian visitors
only). requires java for batch processing some backend services. will have
to see how much it all adds up.





On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
>  wrote:
> > if you ask any ict personnel from the govt agencies involved in the mps
> > project (especially kpkt), you would be having second thots.
> >
> > but do give it a try and test first.
>
> Signed for the free trial two days ago. Some quick overview:-
>
> The ssl on the sign up page and also the user account not implemented
> properly - well my browser complained that some content are not coming
> through ssl. Sloppy programming I think and for such critical service
> shouldn't be an excused.
>
> Signing up quite straightforward. They send me the password through
> email and another half through sms. Logged in and I can see an option
> to add new server. Available images are limited and I'm a bit
> disappointed. Only Centos 5.5, Debian Lenny and few others. I want
> Ubuntu 10.04 - that's what we're using for all our servers. But I try
> creating Debian server.
>
> The instruction on how to log into my new server not really clear.
> They show VNC password on the servers listing and some note that I can
> also connect through ssh. But the ssh connection seem to only accept
> key authentication. No option to create or upload key when creating
> the server like what we have when creating new EC2 instance. So I have
> to log in using vnc and enable password authentication for ssh.
>
> Latency was good - 40ms two days ago and 20ms while I'm typing this -
> could be the weekend I guess.
>
> Having vnc console is good in case we were locked out of ssh -
> happened to me once on EC2. Still remember how cool it is when
> slicehost has ajax console when they first came out with xen hosting
> years ago. I'm not sure how secure vnc protocol - is it encrypted ? At
> least with slicehost ajax console we're using it through ssl.
>
> I'd email support asking if it possible for me to use Ubuntu 10.04
> which they replied almost instantly that they don't have preinstalled
> image of Ubuntu 10.04 but I can choose - self install from cd option
> when adding new server. I did it just now and the installation is
> straightforward. There's no option to save the instance as install
> image that can be used when adding new server. There's however an
> option to copy the disk attached to the instance and I can see that we
> can boot from a disk when creating server but my test account didn't
> allow me to copy the disk so no way for me to verify this.
>
> Another thing lacking is "Security Group" like things as we have in
> Amazon EC2 so that mean we have to get dirty configuring iptables
> ourselves.
>
> Not sure yet how viable the service. In term of pricing they
> definitely more expensive than EC2. EC2 reserved instance is
> USD0.01/hour but the 40ms latency could be their winning factor.
>
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[osdcmy] Re: Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS

Team,

only 15 participants came to this workshop. I believe we need to
improved, how we can we make sure the one that accept "I'm attending",
will attend. Its takes resources and time for organizer to setup this
workshop. I hope they don't stop.

Cloud is another platform that we as Malaysian developers need to look
into. Cloud like any other hardware platform, server and PC, thats
being manufactured and branded as many names for example  HP, DELL and
IBM. Cloud is just another platform that we can install OS,
application and services.

For the one that attending this workshop, share us pictures and notes.

Thank you.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
 wrote:
> Final call 
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
>> Anyone with PHP knowledge want to try Azure ?
>>
>> -
>>
>> Windows Azure Cloud Workshop to OSS
>>
>> http://portal.mosc.my/events/windows-azure-cloud-workshop-to-oss
>>
>> Time: 9.00 am to 5.00 pm, March 19, 2011.
>>
>> Venue: Info Trek Training Facility - Unit 3.50, Level 3, Amcorp Mall,
>> 18, Persiaran Barat, 46050 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan
>>
>> FREE entry.
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Skalicloud - Is it true ?

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
 wrote:
> if you ask any ict personnel from the govt agencies involved in the mps
> project (especially kpkt), you would be having second thots.
>
> but do give it a try and test first.

Signed for the free trial two days ago. Some quick overview:-

The ssl on the sign up page and also the user account not implemented
properly - well my browser complained that some content are not coming
through ssl. Sloppy programming I think and for such critical service
shouldn't be an excused.

Signing up quite straightforward. They send me the password through
email and another half through sms. Logged in and I can see an option
to add new server. Available images are limited and I'm a bit
disappointed. Only Centos 5.5, Debian Lenny and few others. I want
Ubuntu 10.04 - that's what we're using for all our servers. But I try
creating Debian server.

The instruction on how to log into my new server not really clear.
They show VNC password on the servers listing and some note that I can
also connect through ssh. But the ssh connection seem to only accept
key authentication. No option to create or upload key when creating
the server like what we have when creating new EC2 instance. So I have
to log in using vnc and enable password authentication for ssh.

Latency was good - 40ms two days ago and 20ms while I'm typing this -
could be the weekend I guess.

Having vnc console is good in case we were locked out of ssh -
happened to me once on EC2. Still remember how cool it is when
slicehost has ajax console when they first came out with xen hosting
years ago. I'm not sure how secure vnc protocol - is it encrypted ? At
least with slicehost ajax console we're using it through ssl.

I'd email support asking if it possible for me to use Ubuntu 10.04
which they replied almost instantly that they don't have preinstalled
image of Ubuntu 10.04 but I can choose - self install from cd option
when adding new server. I did it just now and the installation is
straightforward. There's no option to save the instance as install
image that can be used when adding new server. There's however an
option to copy the disk attached to the instance and I can see that we
can boot from a disk when creating server but my test account didn't
allow me to copy the disk so no way for me to verify this.

Another thing lacking is "Security Group" like things as we have in
Amazon EC2 so that mean we have to get dirty configuring iptables
ourselves.

Not sure yet how viable the service. In term of pricing they
definitely more expensive than EC2. EC2 reserved instance is
USD0.01/hour but the 40ms latency could be their winning factor.

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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

Ghod,
It might just catches fire. I reckon modernist terms emerge when
opportunists try to redefine something as pure open code just to wear a
price tag and get them their next dinner plate. It happened to their
health care services, happened to desktop computing, happened to have 1
lawyer to every 265 Americans. Thats USA, land of the bill and fee.

On 3/20/11 4:07 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko
Acolyte
wrote:

Closed
Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
it ain't FOSS.

"Open Core" is a real term and that all applies, but (I think) I made
up that term "Closed Core" and I don't even know if the concept is
valid.

It seems to me that "Open Core" implementations are basically a lie
told to consumers to lock them into proprietary software before they
realize it. Because of the lie, it's worse than regular proprietary
software.

In the "Open Core" concept, if all of that proprietary stuff wrapped
around the FLOSS base went away, the core software would still be okay.

In this "Closed Core" concept I'm describing, if the proprietary core
of the applications goes away, none of the FLOSS applications built
around it would work any more.

It would be like we had all of the GNU utilities without a Linux kernel
to run them on. In fact, it really happened that way 30 years ago. GNU
was developed without the Linux kernel (ref: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html
).

So, what I'm wondering is whether or not "Closed Core" is a valid
concept and if we can apply that term to free Facebook apps, for
example. I suppose a similar concept could be applied to free Windows
software that requires proprietary libraries.

What do we, as a community, think about this? Should we discourage
this type of software development? If the closed core (i.e.: Facebook
or Windows) went away, would the apps go away, be rewritten to work on
another API, or would we write a new core implementing the missing APIs?

We're actually two groups in one... FLOSS enthusiasts and Software
Developers. As a developer I say "ooohh! Facebook API... cool!", but
as a FLOSS enthusiast I don't like Facebook's limitations or secrets.

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa





US tu memang Syarikat.. nama je negara tetapi buat bisnis tak kira
minyak ke, senjata ke, trade agreement ke, software patent ke... nak je
cekik leher dunia lain...  ramai sangat NGO tentang sama AS setiap kali
ada WTO.

On 3/20/11 5:47 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, darXness darXness 
wrote:
  
  Because
Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
translate
  
That's the rule.  Proper nouns shouldn't be translated because they
represent something specific and that meaning can be lost in
translation, but that rule isn't often broken.  I guess it's just Dewan
Bahasa Suka Hati.  For example, "The United States of America" is
poorly translated as "Amerika Syarikat" and the meaning of the name is
almost completely lost.
  
This is exactly my point.  These words and phrases represent a specific
device or action in the context of IT.  They represent specific devices
or actions in a specific context.  If we translate them, we might lose
meaning.
  
Are we going to translate the verb "google" also? ref: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6091289.html
  
I looked it up.  New words, or new word usages like these, are called
neologisms.  ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism
  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, darXness darXness wrote:

> Because Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
> translate


That's the rule.  Proper nouns shouldn't be translated because they
represent something specific and that meaning can be lost in translation,
but that rule isn't often broken.  I guess it's just Dewan Bahasa Suka
Hati.  For example, "The United States of America" is poorly translated as
"Amerika Syarikat" and the meaning of the name is almost completely lost.

This is exactly my point.  These words and phrases represent a specific
device or action in the context of IT.  They represent specific devices or
actions in a specific context.  If we translate them, we might lose meaning.

Are we going to translate the verb "google" also? ref:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6091289.html

I looked it up.  New words, or new word usages like these, are called
neologisms.  ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism

ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_adjective


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>  On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> >
> > It's not really English.  These terms have been created for new concepts
> based existing English words, but the words don't retain their English
> meanings in this context.  Just like names of people and places, the terms
> have an identity that is lost when they're translated.  We should just use
> the new words and not think about them as English words.
> >
> > If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English words
> at all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of "dwi klik",
> maybe it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to one word like
> "dwitekan".
> >
> > Some suggestions :
> >
> > "click" is a sound, not an action, but in the context of "double-click"
> it's the action of pressing a button.  If you really want to translate it
> exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali" rather than "klik dua kali".
> > "Plug and Play" was originally a name for a specification from Microsoft
> (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play ).  Translating
> this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap", but no one would
> think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general way now, but it still
> shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block or close a hole; "tutup
> lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup Lubang dan Main" is
> ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from the underlying concept...
> We connect the device and it works immediately without any manual
> installation or configuration... My BM isn't good enough to come up with one
> for this :)
> > A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely shouldn't be translated at
> all, but if you really want to, use the concept of a pointing device.
> > We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't even like this one in
> English.  Use "write" (tulis).
> >
> > We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to
> "Kecillembut"... or in reverse, I could call that place where many of you
> live "Mud Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from "Amerika
> Syarikat" ("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu" ("States
> United")?
> >
> > --
> > Ghodmode
> > http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/19 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
> >>
> >> terima kasih
> >>
> >> 2011/3/18 saiful 
> >>>
> >>> hak milik
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
> 
>  Berhak milik.
> 
>  2011/3/18 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
> >
> > saya ada satu soalan cepumas apakah maksud terbaik untuk
> > proprietry
> >
> > adakah ok kalau saya jawab "yang berkenaan dengan pemilik? tapi tak
> ke panjang? hahaha
> >
> > 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
> >>
> >> Kita juga kena fikir..
> >> 1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai
> buku-buku teknikal.
> >> 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu
> kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya ke
> sana , buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah "basic stuff".
> >>
> >> 2011/3/18 red1 
> >>>
> >>> Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat
> banyak majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi
> satu helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam
> bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.
> >>>
> >>> On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
> >>>  But, do we have that many books?
> >>> Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
> >>> Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur
> jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun Grandmaster
> sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada.
> >>> Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.
> >>>
>

Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

Again, I stand by my explanation.

Eric

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte
>  wrote:
>>
>> Closed Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
>> it ain't FOSS.
>
> "Open Core" is a real term and that all applies, but (I think) I made up
> that term "Closed Core" and I don't even know if the concept is valid.
>
> It seems to me that "Open Core" implementations are basically a lie told to
> consumers to lock them into proprietary software before they realize it.
> Because of the lie, it's worse than regular proprietary software.
>
> In the "Open Core" concept, if all of that proprietary stuff wrapped around
> the FLOSS base went away, the core software would still be okay.
>
> In this "Closed Core" concept I'm describing, if the proprietary core of the
> applications goes away, none of the FLOSS applications built around it would
> work any more.
>
> It would be like we had all of the GNU utilities without a Linux kernel to
> run them on.  In fact, it really happened that way 30 years ago. GNU was
> developed without the Linux kernel (ref:
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html ).
>
> So, what I'm wondering is whether or not "Closed Core" is a valid concept
> and if we can apply that term to free Facebook apps, for example.  I suppose
> a similar concept could be applied to free Windows software that requires
> proprietary libraries.
>
> What do we, as a community, think about this?  Should we discourage this
> type of software development?  If the closed core (i.e.: Facebook or
> Windows) went away, would the apps go away, be rewritten to work on another
> API, or would we write a new core implementing the missing APIs?
>
> We're actually two groups in one... FLOSS enthusiasts and Software
> Developers.  As a developer I say "ooohh! Facebook API... cool!", but as a
> FLOSS enthusiast I don't like Facebook's limitations or secrets.
>
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>
>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>> > I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
>> > Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
>> > potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?
>> >
>> > I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
>> > heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
>> > start suing people! :)
>> >
>> > Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > --
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>> > http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik MASOKIS

kongsi :)
http://www.thehackernews.com/2011/03/php-group-has-confirmed-compromise-of.html
http://www.thehackernews.com/2011/03/phpnet-was-compromised-and-php-source.html

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa





Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk
alam ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera,
cukup cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:

Makan garam lebih daripada nasi
Jangan sampai rosak semua gigi
Jika mahu hidup berdikari
Sumbanglah kod tersendiri

On 3/20/11 2:59 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
It's not really English.  These terms have
been created for new concepts based existing English words, but the
words don't retain their English meanings in this context.  Just like
names of people and places, the terms have an identity that is lost
when they're translated.  We should just use the new words and not
think about them as English words.
  
If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English
words at all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of
"dwi klik", maybe it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to
one word like "dwitekan".
  
Some suggestions :
  
  
"click" is a sound, not an action, but in the
context of "double-click" it's the action of pressing a button.  If you
really want to translate it exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali"
rather than "klik dua kali".
"Plug and Play" was originally a name for a
specification from Microsoft (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play
).  Translating this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap",
but no one would think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general
way now, but it still shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block
or close a hole; "tutup lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup
Lubang dan Main" is ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from
the underlying concept... We connect the device and it works
immediately without any manual installation or configuration... My BM
isn't good enough to come up with one for this :)
A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely
shouldn't be translated at all, but if you really want to, use the
concept of a pointing device.
We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't
even like this one in English.  Use "write" (tulis).
  
  
We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to
"Kecillembut"... or in reverse, I could call that place where many of
you live "Mud Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from
"Amerika Syarikat" ("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu"
("States United")?
  
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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Closed Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
> it ain't FOSS.
>

"Open Core" is a real term and that all applies, but (I think) I made up
that term "Closed Core" and I don't even know if the concept is valid.

It seems to me that "Open Core" implementations are basically a lie told to
consumers to lock them into proprietary software before they realize it.
Because of the lie, it's worse than regular proprietary software.

In the "Open Core" concept, if all of that proprietary stuff wrapped around
the FLOSS base went away, the core software would still be okay.

In this "Closed Core" concept I'm describing, if the proprietary core of the
applications goes away, none of the FLOSS applications built around it would
work any more.

It would be like we had all of the GNU utilities without a Linux kernel to
run them on.  In fact, it really happened that way 30 years ago. GNU was
developed without the Linux kernel (ref:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html ).

So, what I'm wondering is whether or not "Closed Core" is a valid concept
and if we can apply that term to free Facebook apps, for example.  I suppose
a similar concept could be applied to free Windows software that requires
proprietary libraries.

What do we, as a community, think about this?  Should we discourage this
type of software development?  If the closed core (i.e.: Facebook or
Windows) went away, would the apps go away, be rewritten to work on another
API, or would we write a new core implementing the missing APIs?

We're actually two groups in one... FLOSS enthusiasts and Software
Developers.  As a developer I say "ooohh! Facebook API... cool!", but as a
FLOSS enthusiast I don't like Facebook's limitations or secrets.

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> Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> > I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
> > Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
> > potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?
> >
> > I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
> > heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
> > start suing people! :)
> >
> > Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik Yusdirman Lubis

salam

saya pernah terbaca satu artikel menyebut double-click sebagai dwi-ketik


"Rasulullah s.a.w. bersabda yang bermaksud:
"Orang Mukmin yang paling sempurna imannya
ialah yang paling baik akhlaknya."
(Hadith Riwayat Ahmad)."



On 20 March 2011 14:59, Ghodmode  wrote:

> It's not really English.  These terms have been created for new concepts
> based existing English words, but the words don't retain their English
> meanings in this context.  Just like names of people and places, the terms
> have an identity that is lost when they're translated.  We should just use
> the new words and not think about them as English words.
>
> If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English words
> at all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of "dwi klik",
> maybe it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to one word like
> "dwitekan".
>
> Some suggestions :
>
>- "click" is a sound, not an action, but in the context of
>"double-click" it's the action of pressing a button.  If you really want to
>translate it exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali" rather than "klik dua
>kali".
>- "Plug and Play" was originally a name for a specification from
>Microsoft (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play ).
>Translating this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap", but no
>one would think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general way now,
>but it still shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block or close a
>hole; "tutup lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup Lubang dan Main"
>is ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from the underlying
>concept... We connect the device and it works immediately without any 
> manual
>installation or configuration... My BM isn't good enough to come up with 
> one
>for this :)
>- A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely shouldn't be translated
>at all, but if you really want to, use the concept of a pointing device.
>- We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't even like this one in
>English.  Use "write" (tulis).
>
>
> We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to "Kecillembut"...
> or in reverse, I could call that place where many of you live "Mud
> Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from "Amerika Syarikat"
> ("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu" ("States United")?
>
> --
> Ghodmode
> http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
>
>
> 2011/3/19 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
>
>> terima kasih
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/18 saiful 
>>
>>> hak milik
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
>>>
 Berhak milik.


 2011/3/18 AZHAR mohd zakaria 

> saya ada satu soalan cepumas apakah maksud terbaik untuk
> proprietry
>
> adakah ok kalau saya jawab "yang berkenaan dengan pemilik? tapi tak ke
> panjang? hahaha
>
>
> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>
>> Kita juga kena fikir..
>>
>> 1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai
>> buku-buku teknikal.
>> 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu
>> kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya 
>> ke
>> sana , buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah "basic stuff".
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/18 red1 
>>
>>>  Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat
>>> banyak majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi
>>> satu helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke 
>>> dalam
>>> bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>
>>> Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
>>>
>>>   But, do we have that many books?
>>>
>>>  Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
>>>
>>>  Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur
>>> jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun 
>>> Grandmaster
>>> sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada.
>>>
>>>  Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 sallehy 
>>>
 Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu.
 Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya.

  Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri
 :)


 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 

> Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains
> dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan
> bahan-bahan rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. 
> Bahan-bahan
> rujukan dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad.
>
>  Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba
> menterjemahkan apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bah

Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

2011-03-20 Terurut Topik darXness darXness

Because Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
translate

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>
> It's not really English.  These terms have been created for new concepts 
> based existing English words, but the words don't retain their English 
> meanings in this context.  Just like names of people and places, the terms 
> have an identity that is lost when they're translated.  We should just use 
> the new words and not think about them as English words.
>
> If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English words at 
> all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of "dwi klik", maybe 
> it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to one word like "dwitekan".
>
> Some suggestions :
>
> "click" is a sound, not an action, but in the context of "double-click" it's 
> the action of pressing a button.  If you really want to translate it exactly, 
> you should use "tekan dua kali" rather than "klik dua kali".
> "Plug and Play" was originally a name for a specification from Microsoft 
> (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play ).  Translating this 
> would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap", but no one would think 
> that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general way now, but it still 
> shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block or close a hole; "tutup 
> lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup Lubang dan Main" is 
> ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from the underlying concept... 
> We connect the device and it works immediately without any manual 
> installation or configuration... My BM isn't good enough to come up with one 
> for this :)
> A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely shouldn't be translated at all, 
> but if you really want to, use the concept of a pointing device.
> We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't even like this one in 
> English.  Use "write" (tulis).
>
> We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to "Kecillembut"... 
> or in reverse, I could call that place where many of you live "Mud Estuary".  
> And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from "Amerika Syarikat" ("America 
> Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu" ("States United")?
>
> --
> Ghodmode
> http://www.ghodmode.com/blog
>
>
> 2011/3/19 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
>>
>> terima kasih
>>
>> 2011/3/18 saiful 
>>>
>>> hak milik
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 

 Berhak milik.

 2011/3/18 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
>
> saya ada satu soalan cepumas apakah maksud terbaik untuk
> proprietry
>
> adakah ok kalau saya jawab "yang berkenaan dengan pemilik? tapi tak ke 
> panjang? hahaha
>
> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>
>> Kita juga kena fikir..
>> 1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai 
>> buku-buku teknikal.
>> 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu 
>> kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya 
>> ke sana , buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah "basic stuff".
>>
>> 2011/3/18 red1 
>>>
>>> Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat banyak 
>>> majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi satu 
>>> helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam 
>>> bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.
>>>
>>> On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>
>>> Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
>>>  But, do we have that many books?
>>> Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
>>> Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur 
>>> jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun 
>>> Grandmaster sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua 
>>> dah ada.
>>> Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 sallehy 

 Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu.
 Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya.
 Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri :)

 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>
> Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains 
> dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan 
> bahan-bahan rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. 
> Bahan-bahan rujukan dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad.
> Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan 
> apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada 
> Bahasa Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak 
> dari mula  belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru.
> 2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>>
>> sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar 
>>

Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa