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Hey Syahril,
Thanks for your reply.

That's a great result for just a few days worth of work.  I couldn't do it
that quick.  I thought the site was supposed to be about ready for release
already.

I'm more of a developer/coder than a designer.

I'll be happy to help out with the coding issues and the proof-reading.

I'm good with JavaScript, jQuery, HTML, and CSS.  I haven't done any work
with Joomla specifically, but I'm good with PHP/MySQL and I'm not afraid to
dig into the code to figure something out.

I have a dedicated development server with a full lamp stack.  So, if you
want me to work on any specific issues, I can do it on my own server and
just send you changes.

I'll put some responses below, too ...

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Syahril Zulkefli wrote:

> Hi Ghodmode,
> thank you for your valuable feedback. Below are my response to some of the
> issues you mention.
>
>
> There were a lot of HTML errors:
>>
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosc.my%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1&group=0&verbose=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2
>
>  You're using deprecated attributes on some of your tags.  This was
>> probably picked up by the HTML validator linked above.  I noticed a language
>> tag on a script element.
>> Why do you have script elements in the body of the page?  I've read
>> arguments for putting it before or after the content, but never right in the
>> middle of the content.
>>
> - some of the errors produces by 3d party extensions, and even from
> facebook code. to be honest, i'm working on this website in few days only,
> including design mockup in photoshop, slicing, configuring extensions,
> adding + finding content, etc etc. so i dun have much time to focus on code
> validity which i assume not as important as what user see on the screen.
> maybe we can work on it after all the process complete.
>

You're absolutely right.  What's on the screen is more important especially
during development.

I'll be glad to help out with code cleanup.



> And CSS Errors:
>>
>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosc.my%2F
>
> - i'm using css3 code here, including border radius, rgba color, box
> shadow, gradient, etc. by using css3, we can reduce image usage on the page,
> for example for rounded corners or drop shadow. and not to mention that some
> of the code have different syntax for each browsers. i personally believe
> that using latest technology such as css3 is better even if the code contain
> errors in the validator.
>
>
> btw, nice reading for code validation:
> http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/general/but-it-doesnt-validate/
>

I haven't used CSS3 features much yet, except for experimentation, so I
guess I haven't run into validation issues with that.  I didn't realize that
the validator defaults to CSS 2.1.  There's still a bunch of errors, even
when I turn on the CSS3 and vendor extensions options for the validator, but
I realize that you haven't had time to even look at them yet.




> The Schedule, Back Stage, and Contact navigation links don't go anywhere,
>> but they add the "active" CSS class to the element regardless of which page
>> you're on.
>
> The Schedule, Back Stage, and Contact navigation links add the hash (empty
>> anchor name) to the end of the URL.  A link that doesn't go anywhere should
>> have onclick="return false;" (preferred) or href="javascript: void;" (also
>> usually works) properties.
>
> - i haven't receive content for this section yet. and like mr haris mention
> in his email, this is a first draft, there's lot of things might not
> working.
>
>
>  Clicking the link for the page I'm already on reloads the page and the
>> scroll position is at the top.  The navigation item for the current page
>> (the one with the "active" CSS class) should have the onclick="return
>> false;" property.
>
> - yup, i agree with you. maybe we will have to add this for better
> usability.
>
>
>>- There are a lot of separately linked CSS files and a big chunk of
>>CSS in the code of the page itself.  It would probably provide a 
>> significant
>>performance improvement to 
>> compress<http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/compressor/> and
>>combine all of this.  It's also a good idea to separate the presentation 
>> of
>>the elements (the CSS) from the content.
>>
>>
>>- There are a lot of separately linked JavaScript files.  Compressi

Re: [osdcmy] Review MOSC2011 First Draf

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Maulvi Bakar  wrote:

> http://www.mosc.my/packages
>
> For any government agencies with *prove* of Government ID.
>

"For government staff, only with a valid government ID." would be better.

In both the previous one and this one, there's no reason to capitalize the
word before ID because it's not a proper noun.

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Re: [osdcmy] Review MOSC2011 First Draf

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Maulvi Bakar  wrote:

> http://www.mosc.my/packages
>
>
> For student only, with *prove* of Student ID.
>
> I believe it should be 'proof'.
>
>
"For students, only with a valid student ID." would be better.

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Re: [osdcmy] Review MOSC2011 First Draf

You actually read the content of the page? ...  hehe... I terus "view
source".  I'm American, so English is my first language.  I can probably
make suggestions as to what sounds natural to me. Disclaimer: No one has
ever accused me of being a good public speaker :)  ...

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> quick review
>
> english grammar correction
>
> *Innovating the Change *
> *Does not sound right... perhaps it should be Innovating Change ?*
>

I agree

>
>  What is MOSC ?
>
> MOSC is an event where you can learn how to maximize value from Open
> Source software for your organization, and meet world class speakers from
> around the world. Now is the time for Innovating the Change!
>   Why you should Attend ?
>
> MOSC provides exposure and knowledge on the importance of OSS, share
> amongst the open source community on new directions and latest innovations,
> share and exchange views, ideas, and tools on the latest trends and issues
> of OSS.
>
> *Sounds confused - maybe you should just list 3 or 5 specifics eg*
>
>- *Realising cost benefits*
>- *Making your application scalable to millions
>*
>- *Securing your implementation*
>- *Rapid application development and frameworks
>*
>- *Technologies, innovations, trends, challenges and lemons*
>
>
If there's a question mark at the end, then it needs to be "Why should you
attend?" (the "you" comes after "should").  "Why you should attend" is a
statement and would be followed by an ellipsis if it's used properly, but
this section is all phrased as questions.

Why does it say "join" instead of "attend" when I look at the page right
now?  Is it being changed right now?  ... I think that "attend" is a better
word in this context than "join", but don't forget that my English is
American and your English (according to the language property of the HTML
element) is British.  A British guy might say "join" is better.

I hate lists.  I like it better when people talk to me.  Here's my
suggestion...

*Why should you attend?*

At MOSC, you will have the opportunity to meet and learn from world-class
speakers who will present their ideas on the importance and benefits of Open
Source Software. You will have the opportunity to learn how OSS can help
your organization to increase profits and productivity while reducing cost.

You will be able to meet with speakers and participants to discuss and
collaborate on the latest innovations, technologies, and trends in OSS.

> *Looking at past conferences,  security has been a good crowd puller, the
> php shootout on framework crowd was also good. cloud computing is popular
> now coz people want to know how to easily scale to millions, trends etc is
> so-so lah... but still needed*.* i think these are the reasons that an ict
> administrator / office / technician would need so that their boss will
> approve the rm500 ticket. *
>
> *Who Should Attend ?*
> Open Source developers, communities, enterprenuers, inventors, evangelist,
> researchers, strategist
> Business executives from local and multi-national companies
> Government officers
> Students, general public
>

Tiada salam ... Like I said, I like it when people talk to me rather than
give me a list.

All developers should attend, whether they currently use OSS or not.  As we
already know, all developers should use OSS :)

"communities" is a very general term that doesn't fit in this context.  It's
not a "who" that answers the question, it's a "what".  You could say
"community representatives" to answer "who", but it still doesn't say what
kind of community.

You misspelled entrepreneurs.

The word "inventors" is usually associated with people who create physical
objects rather than abstract things like software or social networks.  In
IT, inventors are entrepreneurs, so the term is redundant.

The word "evangelist" without other qualifiers is usually associated with
people who aggressively spread their religious beliefs.  Even when it's used
to describe free software evangelists, it emphasizes the negative aspect of
the personality... the pushiness.

There are many different kinds of
strategist<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategist>,
but they wouldn't all be interested in OSS.  We want to target "IT
Strategists".

You forgot one of the most important types of people... educators! :)

So...
*Who Should Attend?
*MOSC will have information on topics that should appeal to all members of
the general public.  However, we'll cover topics of particular interest to
software developers, entrepreneurs, researchers, educators, students,
company owners

Re: [osdcmy] Review MOSC2011 First Draf

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Team,
>
> Please give us feedback for MOSC2011 website. This is first review
> before we broadcast. This still under development, we need feedback
> and comments.
>
>
What kind of feedback do you want?  Do you just want to know if it looks
nice?

Well, I'm a Web Developer, so I'm going to give Web Development feedback...

Many of these items can probably be blamed on Joomla.

   - There were a lot of HTML errors:

   
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosc.my%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1&group=0&verbose=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.2
   - And CSS Errors:

   
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mosc.my%2F
   - The Schedule, Back Stage, and Contact navigation links don't go
   anywhere, but they add the "active" CSS class to the element regardless of
   which page you're on.
   - The Schedule, Back Stage, and Contact navigation links add the hash
   (empty anchor name) to the end of the URL.  A link that doesn't go anywhere
   should have onclick="return false;" (preferred) or href="javascript: void;"
   (also usually works) properties.
   - Clicking the link for the page I'm already on reloads the page and the
   scroll position is at the top.  The navigation item for the current page
   (the one with the "active" CSS class) should have the onclick="return
   false;" property.
   - There are a lot of separately linked CSS files and a big chunk of CSS
   in the code of the page itself.  It would probably provide a significant
   performance improvement to
compress<http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/compressor/>and combine all of
this.  It's also a good idea to separate the presentation
   of the elements (the CSS) from the content.
   - There are a lot of separately linked JavaScript files.  Compressing and
   combining JavaScript usually yields an even greater performance benefit than
   with CSS.
   - MooTools distributes a minified version
(here<http://mootools.net/download/get/mootools-core-1.3.1-full-nocompat-yc.js>).
   You should use that.  Even better, take advantage of the benefits
of a Content
   Delivery Network
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network>for MooTools.
I usually use Google's
   CDN <http://code.google.com/apis/libraries/devguide.html#mootools> for
   JavaScript libraries.
   - You're using deprecated attributes on some of your tags.  This was
   probably picked up by the HTML validator linked above.  I noticed a language
   tag on a script element.
   - Why do you have script elements in the body of the page?  I've read
   arguments for putting it before or after the content, but never right in the
   middle of the content.


I live in KK and the max broadband speed in my housing complex is 1Mb/s
down.  I'm pretty sure the best you can get anywhere in Sabah is 4Mb/s
down.  So, I pay very close attention to site performance.


These are just my opinion:

   - The top part is huge.  I have to scroll below *the fold* to see any of
   the content.
   - That fade in/out block at the top of the page looks nice, but it's not
   doing anything useful.  Maybe it could have a position: fixed and contain
   the nav elements?  I like having the page nav always available.  I do it on
   my page.
   - That animated image that slides back and forth is cantik, but useless.
   None of the images are linked to anything or provide useful information
   related to the conference.
   - It doesn't say "Malaysian Open Source Developer's Conference", or even
   "Conference" in any of the page's static elements.  It only says it in some
   of the news items at the bottom of the page.  That should probably be in the
   banner image.  If I didn't already know what MOSC was, I wouldn't know from
   looking at this page.


I would be happy to help OSDC with this page.  In fact, I'd like an
opportunity to work with CodeThePixels if possible.

I can speak Malay, tapi tidak sangat cantik :)

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> http://www.mosc.my/
>
> Thanks to
>
> Syahril Zulkefli
> http://www.codethepixels.com
>
> for the design and setup of the website.
>
> and join MOSC2011 twitter and facebook
>
> http://twitter.com/mosc2011
>
> http://www.facebook.com/mosc2011
>
> MOSC2011 event page
>
> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=152695794775143
>
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Re: [osdcmy] how to trace information about a phishing website

2011-04-08 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah
wrote:

> dear all
>
> how to trace information about a phishing website
>
> already tried whois and ipcheck
>
> are there any other tools to find out more info about a phishing site ?
>

Have you had any luck finding more information about the phishing web site?

Are you trying to find out about a particular phishing site, or just a list
of sites to avoid in general?  What's the site?

If they're clever enough about it, it could be almost impossible to find the
real people behind a fishing web site.  People can register by
proxy<https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/popup/whoisexample.aspx?ci=5165&prog_id=452044>,
which means that the registered owner of the domain might have nothing to do
with the actual owner.  Then, the real owner of a domain might have nothing
to do with the content of the site.

If the phishing domain name is very similar to a legitimate company's domain
name, then it's pretty clear that the intention is to deceive the users of
the legitimate domain, but I don't think that there's any easy way to prove
that in a legal sense or make it a crime in itself.

Personally, I'd love to be part of a team whose job it is to track these
people down and beat them within an inch of their lives, but then I supposed
I would be considered a criminal.

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Re: [osdcmy] Multiple Perspectives Technology Appropriation: Analysis of Open Source Software Implementation Failure

2011-04-07 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

> Team,
>
> Read this paper carefully. This paper describes a case study conducted
> at one of Malaysia’s public universities which initially adopted Open
> Source based applications but then later rejected them.
>
> I will discuss it further later.
>
> http://www.pacis-net.org/file/2010/S26-01.pdf
>
> http://www.pacis-net.org/index.jsp?t=proceeding&y=2010
>
> Multiple Perspectives Technology Appropriation:
> Analysis of Open Source Software Implementation
> Failure
>

I read the research findings hoping to learn about some problems with Open
Source Software or within the OSS Community that I could turn into
constructive criticism, but I couldn't find any.  The thing is, this was a
very poorly handled implementation.

Although it's not really clear from the research paper, I think that the IT
director did all the work.  That's pretty cool, but he just ignored the most
important advantage of Open Source Software... the community.

This inspired another blog post from me: OSS
Fail?<http://www.ghodmode.com/blog/2011/04/oss-fail/>
The article is specifically related to the study and addresses key points on
specific pages.

The whole thing started at ETU in 2004.  Incidentally, that's the year I
moved to Malaysia.  I would think the people (person?) who worked on this
project would be part of OSDCMY, but somehow I doubt it.

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Abstract
>
> Adoption of new technology such as Open Source Software (OSS) is one
> of the important issues in organizations. Despite being considered as
> cost effective by many organizations, OSS implementation still
> encounters many challenges.
>
> This paper describes a case study conducted at one of Malaysia’s
> public universities which initially adopted Open Source based
> applications but then later rejected them. An integrated framework
> that combines a multiple perspectives approach and the Model of
> Technology Appropriation is proposed in this study.
>
> This framework facilitates the understanding of why and how
> organizations adopt and use OSS. The study identified various criteria
> influencing the OSS appropriation process from multiple perspectives
> in the organization as well as its status of OSS appropriation. This
> understanding assists in effective implementation decisions which
> could lead to more effective use of the OSS technology.
>
> Keywords: Multiple Perspectives, Open Source Software, Technology
> Appropriation.
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Re: [osdcmy] Multiple Perspectives Technology Appropriation: Analysis of Open Source Software Implementation Failure

2011-04-07 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

This probably should've been posted on the thread about the study, not the
thread about my blog entry :)

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> in my humble opinion. the study is very very poor :
>
>1. what were the solutions used ?
>2. what were the statistics ?
>
> i would agree with the observations though on how to screw up oss
> implementations:
>
>1. no proper technology transfer
>2. loss in mgmt will
>3. poor project mgmt - deduced from lack of documentation
>4. no continuous improvement programs (cip)
>5. environment impact assessment : how does it affect culture, people,
>processes, infrastructure, etc
>
> actually this is common for all technology implementations. the biggest
> fallacy is the belief that a software will solve a problem !
>
> they forget that people solve problems, not machines ! well, at least not
> yet. machines are just dumb edp operators !
>
> some machines cant even do simple plus and minus operations !
>
>
> http://software.krimnet.com/web-browser/cpu-precision-bug-plus-minus-operation.htm
>
> try copy and paste this into a spreadsheet program : then view all decimal
> places :
>
> =161001.165-10.009-6.7-1000.456
>
>
For the most part, I agree with you, but I think that most of the problems
with the study reflect back on the organization that failed to do the OSS
implementation.  They were disorganized.  All the researchers could do was
ask questions after everything was all over.  It looks like the organization
really didn't know what happened.

I agree with you on most of your points.  Actually my "End Your Addiction!"
article was originally part of a larger article about the OSS implementation
failure in the study.  I make many of the same points, but I state them from
a slightly different perspective.  I was looking for problems that we could
correct either in OSS or in the OSS community, but all I found was problems
in the way they went about the implementation.

I'm almost done... :D

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[osdcmy] New Article: "End Your Addiction!"

2011-04-07 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

Inspired by some of the statements made in a research study linked to in the
OSDCMY list (here <http://bit.ly/gl358Z>), I wrote a new article at my blog
entitled "End Your Addiction!".

The study (PDF): MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES TECHNOLOGY APPROPRIATION: ANALYSIS OF
OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION FAILURE <http://bit.ly/fabMUb>

When reading about "compatibility problems" as mentioned in the study, I
started thinking about users of proprietary software, their expectations and
their needs.  I realized that there were a surprising number of similarities
between use of proprietary software and the use of addictive drugs.  I wrote
my article based on that metaphor and it didn't fall apart.

The article: End Your
Addiction!<http://www.ghodmode.com/blog/2011/04/end-your-addiction/>

As always, if you want to comment on the article, please comment at my blog
rather than in the mailing list... it makes me feel good :)

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Re: [osdcmy] help ! i have crashed gmail on firefox on ubuntu

2011-03-26 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:12 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> Time to move to Windows =P


Doesn't have much to do with the OS.  Web pages and their problems occur
entirely within the limits of the browser.

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Re: [osdcmy] help ! i have crashed gmail on firefox on ubuntu

2011-03-26 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> oopss i have lost access to gmail. see the screenshot !
>
> am using firefox on ubuntu
>
> was trying to fix my offline gmail. clicked to remove my old offline
> mails... then.. all i got was a png image !
>
> earth day ?
>
> Clear your cache is always the first step with web page problems.

How does Gmail implement their offline mail features?  Gears isn't used any
more, is it?  In any case, after you clear your cache you still might have
something separate from that cache that you need to clear too.  That depends
on how the offline functionality.

In case you didn't know, to clear the cache, you have to use the "Clear
Recent History..." menu item.  I don't remember which menu it's under and
I've modified my menus.  You want to select "Clear Recent History...", then
change the time range to everything, then make sure only Cache is checked
before you click on "Clear now".

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[osdcmy] ISOC

2011-03-26 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

I noticed the mention of ISOC in najmi.zabidi's emails and I thought it was
worth checking out.  It looks like a legitimate and worthwhile organization,
but something struck me as a little funny...

Have you noticed that the "Simplified" link is more complex than any of the
organization's actual links?

Simplified Link:  http://goo.gl/xmG90
Main page:http://www.isoc.org
About page:   http://www.isoc.org/isoc/
Join page:http://www.isoc.org/membership/
Malaysia Chapter: http://www.isoc.my

hmmm... I think we've been twitterized :P

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[osdcmy] New article: Linux is Better: Security

2011-03-22 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

I've got a series of blog posts where I try to address problems with
proprietary software that average people would care about.  A recent
conversation on the OSCDMY list inspired me to finish one.  There are many
more to come, but I don't know when I'll finish them.

This one is about the security weaknesses in Windows and better approach
taken with Linux.

If you find the article interesting and have any questions or corrections,
please comment at the blog... It makes me feel good :)

Here's the link to my blog entry:
http://bit.ly/fWqz8E

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk alam
> ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera, cukup
> cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
>

Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or finance,
but I disagree.  Any language can handle new words and describe new
concepts.  These IT words are only a problem because we already knew them in
English before we tried to use them in Malay.

If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one, they
would give it a name.  Americans came up with the name "mouse" because they
thought it looked like a mouse.  A Malaysian would probably give it a
completely different name.

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, darXness darXness wrote:

> Because Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
> translate


That's the rule.  Proper nouns shouldn't be translated because they
represent something specific and that meaning can be lost in translation,
but that rule isn't often broken.  I guess it's just Dewan Bahasa Suka
Hati.  For example, "The United States of America" is poorly translated as
"Amerika Syarikat" and the meaning of the name is almost completely lost.

This is exactly my point.  These words and phrases represent a specific
device or action in the context of IT.  They represent specific devices or
actions in a specific context.  If we translate them, we might lose meaning.

Are we going to translate the verb "google" also? ref:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6091289.html

I looked it up.  New words, or new word usages like these, are called
neologisms.  ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism

ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_adjective


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>  On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> >
> > It's not really English.  These terms have been created for new concepts
> based existing English words, but the words don't retain their English
> meanings in this context.  Just like names of people and places, the terms
> have an identity that is lost when they're translated.  We should just use
> the new words and not think about them as English words.
> >
> > If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English words
> at all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of "dwi klik",
> maybe it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to one word like
> "dwitekan".
> >
> > Some suggestions :
> >
> > "click" is a sound, not an action, but in the context of "double-click"
> it's the action of pressing a button.  If you really want to translate it
> exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali" rather than "klik dua kali".
> > "Plug and Play" was originally a name for a specification from Microsoft
> (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play ).  Translating
> this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap", but no one would
> think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general way now, but it still
> shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block or close a hole; "tutup
> lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup Lubang dan Main" is
> ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from the underlying concept...
> We connect the device and it works immediately without any manual
> installation or configuration... My BM isn't good enough to come up with one
> for this :)
> > A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely shouldn't be translated at
> all, but if you really want to, use the concept of a pointing device.
> > We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't even like this one in
> English.  Use "write" (tulis).
> >
> > We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to
> "Kecillembut"... or in reverse, I could call that place where many of you
> live "Mud Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from "Amerika
> Syarikat" ("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu" ("States
> United")?
> >
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> >
> >
> > 2011/3/19 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
> >>
> >> terima kasih
> >>
> >> 2011/3/18 saiful 
> >>>
> >>> hak milik
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
> >>>>
> >>>> Berhak milik.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2011/3/18 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> saya ada satu soalan cepumas apakah maksud terbaik untuk
> >>>>> proprietry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> adakah ok kalau saya jawab "yang berkenaan dengan pemilik? tapi tak
> ke panjang? hahaha
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kita juga kena fikir..
> >>>>>> 1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai
> buku-buku teknikal.
> >>>>>> 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu
> kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak

Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Closed Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
> it ain't FOSS.
>

"Open Core" is a real term and that all applies, but (I think) I made up
that term "Closed Core" and I don't even know if the concept is valid.

It seems to me that "Open Core" implementations are basically a lie told to
consumers to lock them into proprietary software before they realize it.
Because of the lie, it's worse than regular proprietary software.

In the "Open Core" concept, if all of that proprietary stuff wrapped around
the FLOSS base went away, the core software would still be okay.

In this "Closed Core" concept I'm describing, if the proprietary core of the
applications goes away, none of the FLOSS applications built around it would
work any more.

It would be like we had all of the GNU utilities without a Linux kernel to
run them on.  In fact, it really happened that way 30 years ago. GNU was
developed without the Linux kernel (ref:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html ).

So, what I'm wondering is whether or not "Closed Core" is a valid concept
and if we can apply that term to free Facebook apps, for example.  I suppose
a similar concept could be applied to free Windows software that requires
proprietary libraries.

What do we, as a community, think about this?  Should we discourage this
type of software development?  If the closed core (i.e.: Facebook or
Windows) went away, would the apps go away, be rewritten to work on another
API, or would we write a new core implementing the missing APIs?

We're actually two groups in one... FLOSS enthusiasts and Software
Developers.  As a developer I say "ooohh! Facebook API... cool!", but as a
FLOSS enthusiast I don't like Facebook's limitations or secrets.

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> Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> > I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
> > Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
> > potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?
> >
> > I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
> > heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
> > start suing people! :)
> >
> > Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

It's not really English.  These terms have been created for new concepts
based existing English words, but the words don't retain their English
meanings in this context.  Just like names of people and places, the terms
have an identity that is lost when they're translated.  We should just use
the new words and not think about them as English words.

If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English words at
all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of "dwi klik", maybe
it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to one word like "dwitekan".

Some suggestions :

   - "click" is a sound, not an action, but in the context of "double-click"
   it's the action of pressing a button.  If you really want to translate it
   exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali" rather than "klik dua kali".
   - "Plug and Play" was originally a name for a specification from
   Microsoft (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play ).
   Translating this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap", but no
   one would think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general way now,
   but it still shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block or close a
   hole; "tutup lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup Lubang dan Main"
   is ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from the underlying
   concept... We connect the device and it works immediately without any manual
   installation or configuration... My BM isn't good enough to come up with one
   for this :)
   - A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely shouldn't be translated at
   all, but if you really want to, use the concept of a pointing device.
   - We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't even like this one in
   English.  Use "write" (tulis).


We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to "Kecillembut"...
or in reverse, I could call that place where many of you live "Mud
Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from "Amerika Syarikat"
("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu" ("States United")?

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2011/3/19 AZHAR mohd zakaria 

> terima kasih
>
>
> 2011/3/18 saiful 
>
>> hak milik
>>
>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
>>
>>> Berhak milik.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 AZHAR mohd zakaria 
>>>
>>>> saya ada satu soalan cepumas apakah maksud terbaik untuk
>>>> proprietry
>>>>
>>>> adakah ok kalau saya jawab "yang berkenaan dengan pemilik? tapi tak ke
>>>> panjang? hahaha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>>>
>>>>> Kita juga kena fikir..
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai
>>>>> buku-buku teknikal.
>>>>> 2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu
>>>>> kawan saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya 
>>>>> ke
>>>>> sana , buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah "basic stuff".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/18 red1 
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat
>>>>>> banyak majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi
>>>>>> satu helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam
>>>>>> bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   But, do we have that many books?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur
>>>>>> jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun 
>>>>>> Grandmaster
>>>>>> sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/3/18 sallehy 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jika berkese

Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

2011-03-19 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> Visual "proof" of PHP.NET server(s) breach:
> http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635
>

PHP.net's own confirmation (
http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 ) :
>
>  *[19-Mar-2011]* The wiki.php.net box was compromised and the attackers
> were able to collect wiki account credentials. No other machines in the
> php.net infrastructure appear to have been affected. Our biggest concern
> is, of course, the integrity of our source code. We did an extensive code
> audit and looked at every commit since 5.3.5 to make sure that no stolen
> accounts were used to inject anything malicious. Nothing was found. The
> compromised machine has been wiped and we are forcing a password change for
> all svn accounts.
>
> We are still investigating the details of the attack which combined a
> vulnerability in the Wiki software with a Linux root exploit.
>



> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>
>> Hai Guys,
>> just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and
>> probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info
>> on this.
>> Best Regards,
>> Zarul Shahrin
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

> Just curious, how many of you actually read the 440 page report? ;)
> Yeah, couldn't get through it either.
>

me either :(

> It seems to me that aside from pricing which needs to be somehow
> proportional to GDP/head, another issue is timing. Media need to be
> universally available at the same time. Staggering the release of your
> movie/software/whatever based on geography no longer makes sense.
>

ya that process is definitely broken.

Here's an interesting related fact... New Hollywood movies arrive in New
Zealand up to three months later than they do in Malaysia.  Malaysia usually
gets them at the same time as the US.  That's especially significant because
they must be censored and subtitled (twice: Malay and Mandarin) before they
are shown.  I have no idea why the movies in NZ are delayed so much.

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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

> As i remember, FB apps are copyrighted by the apps developer themself,
> unless it is stated as opensource.
>

Right.  We have the option to make the code for the Facebook apps we develop
free, but the Facebook platform code isn't available to us.

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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> Are we discussing any sensitive information here?
>
>
Does it have to be true, or can we just make something up?

For example, I heard Najib uses Fedora KDE Spin and uses K9Copy to make
unauthorized copies of Disney DVDs to give to all of his grandchildren.

... I completely made that up, but it'll be in the Google search results now
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
> u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:
>
>> Morning everyone,
>>
>> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
>> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>
> Granted, I come from a completely different culture (I'm American), but I
> don't think that any information related to the government or the country
> should be a secret to the people.
>

On the other hand, I don't think we should use this list to discuss topics
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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar <
u...@umarzuki.org> wrote:

> Morning everyone,
>
> I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
> discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>

Granted, I come from a completely different culture (I'm American), but I
don't think that any information related to the government or the country
should be a secret to the people.

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[osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?

I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
start suing people! :)

Where does this type of software development fit into our community?

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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

ility and security benefits as
Linux.
Of course, Apple's user interface isn't as nice or as usable as a properly
configured Linux system with all of the Desktop Effects enabled, but that's
a matter of opinion.



> Other than that, An OS that launches a new version every few months will
> make it less likely be a good candidate for everyday desktop. What people
> need is a stable OS, not something that get updated with new version every
> few months and break some of their existing software. If I run a company, I
> personally do not want to have my system admin to run around every few
> months to upgrade all the systems and then someone complains that the
> software they are using are now broken because of the upgrade due to an
> incompatible version of shared libraries (which is something very common).
>

I was referring to updates rather than new versions.  I enable testing and
"backports" update repositories and I rarely have anything break on me.  I
suspect that the "stable" repositories have even fewer problems.  I've
certainly heard a few "Patch Tuesday" horror stories with Windows, but I
personally think that the reliability of tested updates is about the same
between Windows and Linux.  Your experience may vary.



>  I'm not much of a gamer, but I think that a lot of those games can be
>> played in Linux using Wine.  I can play World of Warcraft using Wine without
>> any special setup and I know someone else in our KK-LUG who has played
>> Starcraft with Wine.  There are also some companies starting to develop
>> software that runs natively in Linux.
>>
>> Being a user of Codeweaver Crossover myself ( A commercial version of Wine
> that supports more application than Wine itself) I would say the number of
> windows applications that can be run through Wine is still limited. Please
> also keep in mind that Wine is an "emulator" and an application running
> through it is not running natively as they do on Windows. Trying to run a
> game that requires a high performance machine is pretty much a no no. (I am
> still playing World of Warcraft and was an addict, Cata runs on my 3-4 years
> old Mac without a problem. It's not a game that requires a high-end system)
>

I bought Crossover Office years ago and used it with great success for MS
Office 2000 :)

It might not be as limited as you think, but you're right.  I would guess
that the availability of popular software is probably the greatest weakness
of Linux in public perception.  It's a circular problem... If there were
broader Linux adoption among home users, more software would be developed
natively for Linux... If there were more software developed natively for
Linux, more home users would adopt Linux.

Their "Top Ten Platinum List" is all games! :)  http://appdb.winehq.org/

Call of Duty and Crysis are both listed with gold ratings... they work
perfectly.

Originally, the name "WINE" stood for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" for a good
reason.  They explain much better than I can on the "Debunking Wine Myths"
page :
http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths#head-7c9ecddfaff60d8891414b68d74277244e7109eb

They also address running applications with Wine versus running them
natively on the Myths page:
http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths#head-a6091ffbe6a7171d237df9d2622b984180ef9a38


All of those concerns, plus some others, are repeated when considering
>> proprietary office software, but OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice is really
>> high-quality software.
>>
>> We're not starting from scratch here.  Average people (ie: not nerds like
>> us) have even heard a few of the horror stories about "pirated" software and
>> the success stories about Open Source Software.  It's in the mainstream
>> media already.  This is a good time and place to give consumers the option.
>>
>>  Just as much as a little Googling will reveal to you how even some of the
> most experienced Linux users/developers can get frustrated using Linux as
> their desktop.
>

You're right.  There are frustrations that come with using a computer
regardless of what software you use.  The advantage that free software has
over proprietary software is the excellent community driving it and
supporting it.

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

> Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the
> global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or
> development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than
> Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual
> work.
>
> GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my
> fault where all of you were right... kan?
>
> Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic
> community not even speaking the same lingo to each others.
>
> Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done...
> rafe
>
>
>
First of all, that statement was only that guys opinion.  Who said it?  Does
he have any credibility?

Second, the statement needs clarification.  How is an "OSS hub or
development area" defined?  It may be true that there are no major OSS
projects that originate from Malaysia, but the same could probably be said
for Singapore.  I don't think there isn't really any way to identify a
country's contributions to OSS.  If a group or individual makes wonderful
contributions to an OSS project, 100% of the credit goes to the individual,
not to his country.

Now my opinion... I've lived in three different countries (US, Malaysia, New
Zealand) and I can tell you from my own experience that Malaysians are as
dedicated and enthusiastic as people in the other countries.  We have a lot
of talented developers active in the Open Source community.

Another thing... Singapore is our neighbor.  Our OSS community isn't
competing with theirs... it's part of theirs.  In fact, I can't see why OSS
communities anywhere would compete.  Winning contracts and impressing
corporations isn't our business.

Malaysia has been my home for nearly 7 years already.  Believe me... there
are *plenty* of things to complain about... but FLOSS participation and
contribution isn't one of them.

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Re: [osdcmy] maybe off-topic: I like Gmail

2011-03-15 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

I love Gmail, too.  I would even say that I need it.  My
ghodmode.comaddresses are hosted by Gmail for Google Apps.

Does Gmail count as "Open Core" since Google uses FOSS, but the code for
Gmail isn't free?

related:
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/06/open-core-is-bad-for-you/index.htm

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Soire Meira  wrote:

> i like Google!
>
>
> 2011/3/15 Garfield WTF 
>
>>
>> Couldn't agree more with u guys.
>> Myself, although don't like the fact that Google is trying for "World
>> Domination"
>> But hey, stuffs from them is really cool!!!
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

2011-03-15 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

Somehow, this got lost the first time I sent it.  This is my second
attempt...

 On 13/03/2011 8:43 p.m., zarul shahrin wrote:

Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be
reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users
don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want
something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia).

The FreeDOS machines usually are a lower price, but not much lower when
compared to a machine with similar specs and licensed Windows.

Even when it is lower, the savings are nowhere near 1K.  The licensed
Windows 7 Home Basic only costs RM350 if you buy it separately.

I bought a new computer this weekend.  It came with licensed Windows, but I
chose it based on specifications and price.  I couldn't get a FreeDOS
machine with the same specs for a lower price.

 If you think people will install Ubuntu instead of Windows just because it
gives them a "legal" OS, then you are wrong. Unless Ubuntu will let them
play the latest Call of Duty, Crysis or whatever game there is and let them
easily have the same setup for Word processing as in their office (for those
non-gamers), otherwise no.

You're right.  People don't care about those laws.  I would even go a little
further and say that some of those laws are unjust and immoral.  Modern
distributions have more than just free licensing, though, and Linux
*is*better than Windows.  I think we've had that discussion many times
already.
That's why we're in this group :)

Microsoft has also damaged their customer base.  Their negligence in
handling malicious software threats, and stories about systems becoming
unusable or shutting down every two hours after an update all work against
them.

I'm not much of a gamer, but I think that a lot of those games can be played
in Linux using Wine.  I can play World of Warcraft using Wine without any
special setup and I know someone else in our KK-LUG who has played Starcraft
with Wine.  There are also some companies starting to develop software that
runs natively in Linux.

All of those concerns, plus some others, are repeated when considering
proprietary office software, but OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice is really
high-quality software.

We're not starting from scratch here.  Average people (ie: not nerds like
us) have even heard a few of the horror stories about "pirated" software and
the success stories about Open Source Software.  It's in the mainstream
media already.  This is a good time and place to give consumers the option.

-- Ghodmode

 Best Regards,

 Zarul Shahrin

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> A few of our community events, we did try to have a install fest, the thing
> is none worked the way we want. Probably we did it the wrong way(?) or we
> talking to the wrong audience(?). Really I don't know.
>
>  Maybe because it is easy for them to get illegal copy of windows, or in
> university MSDN give them the latest anyway. Again really I don't know the
> real reason. But this is base on feel and observation.
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>
>> I went to the PIKOM PC fair this weekend and I saw a whole bunch of
>> computers with FreeDOS installed.  The people selling them didn't hesitate
>> to offer "unlicensed" windows, though.
>>
>> It seems like this would be a very good opportunity for people in our
>> community.  We could treat it like a Linux installfest... give out Ubuntu
>> (or any distro) discs and offer to do the installation for free.  Then we
>> give out our our business card and offer to do support for low rates paid
>> into the local economy.
>>
>> This way, people have a more information and more choices... unusable
>> FreeDOS, illegal windows (maybe RM50), or fully updated and licensed Ubuntu
>> with all the features.
>>
>> It inspired a blog entry...
>>
>> "What the heck is FreeDOS?" : http://bit.ly/g44haf
>>
>> If you like it, post a comment on the blog... it makes me feel good :)
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

2011-03-14 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Criminals can’t compete with free. The study finds no systematic links
> between media piracy and >organized crime or terrorism in any of the
> countries examined. Today, commercial pirates and >transnational smugglers
> face the same dilemma as the legal industry: how to compete with free.
>
> This worry me. Free and OSS have two front to compete with. Legal and
> pirates will find ways that can be used against.
>

OSS has some very strong benefits over legally licensed software.  The way I
see it, our only difficulty in this "competition" is how to make people
aware of the benefits effectively, and without the aid of a marketing
department.

I'm more worried about illegally copied software.  Even with the clearly
documented benefits of OSS, it's hard to convince people to change the
software they've been using for years when the price is free and there's no
penalty for the illegal copy.  Luckily, the big software companies are
fighting this battle for us.  As they continue to make security mistakes and
push harder on copyright law enforcement, it becomes more likely that people
will consider alternatives.

Sabar je lah! :)  We don't even really need to think of this as a
competition because our community isn't a corporation that needs to make a
profit each quarter.  Just continue to be awesome, like we already are, and
make the software available to people when they're ready... it'll just
happen.

Legal will used patent as ways to gain more profit from any software
> including OSS.
>

I didn't quite understand this line.  If you meant that proprietary software
companies will use patents and copyright laws to get more profit than they
deserve from their own software and OSS software, I think you're right.
This worries me, too.  We can defend ourselves by being wary of the FUD and
supporting organizations that work to defend our rights like EFF.

> Pirate will use harmful ways to give bad name to any software. Example
> day 0 exploit.
>

Are you talking about a "Zero-day attack" (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-day_attack )?  What does that have to do
with piracy, OSS, or even proprietary software?  Theoretically, this kind of
exploit will affect any type of software project, free or otherwise,
equally.  However, OSS generally has a shorter turn-around for bug fixes and
a community with greater awareness than that of proprietary software, so
this kind of exploit actually works in our favor.  It's one of our
advantages over proprietary software.

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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:
> > I figured this might be of interest:
> >
> > Media Piracy in Emerging Economies is the first independent, large-scale
> > study of music, film and software piracy in emerging economies, with a
> focus
> > on Brazil, India, Russia, South Africa, Mexico and Bolivia.
>

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Re: [osdcmy] Study: Media Piracy in Emerging Economies

2011-03-14 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

>
>- *Antipiracy education has failed*.* *The authors find no significant
>stigma attached to piracy in any of the countries examined. Rather, piracy
>is part of the daily media practices of large and growing portions of the
>population.
>- *Changing the law is easy. Changing the practice is hard.*Industry
>lobbies have been very successful at changing laws to criminalize these
>practices, but largely unsuccessful at getting governments to apply them.
>There is, the authors argue, no realistic way to reconcile mass enforcement
>and due process, especially in countries with severely overburdened legal
>systems.
>
> These two points are related.

The industry lobbies mentioned are employees of large media corporations
paid to influence lawmakers on their behalf.  This is the reason that
they've been successful at changing laws, but they represent only the needs
of their employers, not the needs of the general population.  Lobbying has
effectively become a sales and marketing tactic.  The laws should reflect
the needs of the people, not the needs of any particular company.

Governments are also subject to the will of the people, not just the
corporations or lobbyists.  So, whenever they try to apply unjust laws
they're met with strong opposition and fail.  This is the reason that the
industry lobby has been unsuccessful at getting governments to apply laws.

As a result of the efforts by lobbyists and other agents of these
corporations, the term "piracy" has been used to associate file sharing with
a criminal act.  But it's a lie.  The lack of a stigma associated with
piracy is a credit to the intelligence of the general population.  They
don't believe the negative propaganda disseminated by corporations... also
known as FUD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt ).

Related Links:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy

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[osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

I went to the PIKOM PC fair this weekend and I saw a whole bunch of 
computers with FreeDOS installed.  The people selling them didn't 
hesitate to offer "unlicensed" windows, though.


It seems like this would be a very good opportunity for people in our 
community.  We could treat it like a Linux installfest... give out 
Ubuntu (or any distro) discs and offer to do the installation for free.  
Then we give out our our business card and offer to do support for low 
rates paid into the local economy.


This way, people have a more information and more choices... unusable 
FreeDOS, illegal windows (maybe RM50), or fully updated and licensed 
Ubuntu with all the features.


It inspired a blog entry...

"What the heck is FreeDOS?" : http://bit.ly/g44haf

If you like it, post a comment on the blog... it makes me feel good :)

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[osdcmy] Re: Problem sending email to osdcmy (Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know the error.
>
> Wrongly spell OSCD it suppose OSDC
>
>
You, my friend are a genius.

I am an idiot.

One or both of the preceding statements is true.  In any case, my problem is
solved.

I should have known better.  I was relying on auto-completion from my
contacts.

Thanks to you I've also discovered that both the correct and incorrect email
address were in my contacts list.

Thank you.

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Re: [osdcmy] "U.S. - Malaysia Relations" talk

2011-03-11 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

Unfortunately, nothing that was even remotely related to technology, 
media, or any kind of freedom was discussed.  It was mostly about 
environmental issues.  Immigration, tourism, cultural exchange, and 
education were all also discussed briefly.


When given the opportunity, I asked if there were any obstacles to 
relations between our two countries.  I was hoping that something 
related to piracy, copyright violation, or counterfeiting would be 
mentioned, but I was disappointed.


There was one lady who had several sheets of paper with questions 
written. I think she believes the US is responsible for lax human rights 
laws, corrupt elections, illegal logging, over-farming of palm oil, and 
illegal immigration here in Malaysia.  She also seems to think that the 
US is in control of the United Nations.  She was angry, but funny.  The 
organizers stopped her after about four of her questions.


The QA session after the main part of the talk was cut short by the news 
about Japan's earthquake and the Ambassador had to leave earlier than 
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[osdcmy] "U.S. - Malaysia Relations" talk

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

Later today I'll be attending a talk on U.S. - Malaysia Relations by the US 
Ambassador to Malaysia at UMS later today.  I don't know the exact details 
of what will be presented, but if it seems appropriate, I'll be sure to 
mention my affiliation with SOSG and OSCDMY. 

It probably won't come up at all, but I wanted to mention that I was going. 

I'll be taking notes, too, and I'll send an email to the lists with any 
information that might interest our groups. 

It occurs to me that International Copyright laws may be discussed and 
that's definitely a topic of interest to our groups. 

Regards. 

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P.S. I tried to send the preceding message earlier by email, but it bounced 
back.  I think it's something quirky about Google Groups email addresses.  
I'm investigating it with Pakcik Google right now.

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[osdcmy] Messages to mailing list bouncing?

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

I've had a few messages to oscdmy-l...@googlegroups.com bounce "Delivery 
Status Notification (Failure)".  Has anyone else had this problem?

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik Ghodmode

On 4/03/2011 7:47 p.m., Boh Yap wrote:

hi,

to get a better understanding about all this issue about how
copyrights are used to manipulate 'culture' for the benefit of a few
(the so called media-companies, or as they like to call themselves,
content owners. But they don't actually own it the individual artists
do...) , read Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig. (he is a Law Proffessor
at Yale, if I remember correctly..)

Law professor at Harvard... I looked it up :)

http://www.free-culture.cc/freecontent/

Thanks. I haven't read the book yet, but I will now :)

Here he draws the difference about Free Culture, ie: when ppl sit
around a camp fire and sing songs, tell stories... and Commercial
Culture, where someone records those content, prepare it into some
media and sells it. In the days of physical media and distribuition
(paper, CDs) this demarcation is quite clear. As the technology
changes, from physical to electronic (Radio, TV) these 'media'
companies fought to maintain their own interests and helped push for
even stronger copyright laws... But you still required large resources
or relied on the media companies to create cultural content. And the
media company 'controlled' the technologies and even suppressed
technology that could threaten their monopolies.

With the internet, it became possible and even easy for ordinary
persons to create and distribute content, and resulted in a burst of
creativity... and this threatened the media companies! And they will
do what they can to control the technology and suppress 'independent'
content creators.

Another point that was brought up was that new creative (cultural)
works, historically, was always based on prior work - a new piece. of
music being based on an earlier work... but by having too strong
copyright laws, this would not be possible and hence may suppress
creativity. ie: the MPAA could sue you if you used 'commercial'
soundtrack on a video you shot and put on YouTube.

Yes piracy is bad because it deprives artist off earnings, and
discourages them from producing more content. But to have strong
copy-right laws to protect the interests of media companies is a not a
solution either.
I'd say it's the media companies that are depriving the artists of
earnings. The media companies take ownership of the art that they
didn't create, then they take most of the money and leave the artist
with only a very small percentage.

It's a broken, outdated business model. Without it, the artists will
still create art and earn money. Piracy only deprives media companies
of earnings, not artists.

Related thread fork:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/kk-lug/legal$20media/kk-lug/XxBGE_XxrSQ/en-PvEW-YX8J
I blogged about it, too:
http://www.ghodmode.com/blog/2009/06/is-piracy-wrong/

Besides, FLOSS or Creative Commons content also threaten them, simply
because its something thats difficult for them to control and offers
an alternative to the stuff that they are peddling.

go read the book... its available online ...

FREE CULTURE
HOW BIG MEDIA USES TECHNOLOGY AND THE LAW TO LOCK DOWN CULTURE AND
CONTROL CREATIVITY

BY LAWRENCE LESSIG

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Ghodmode wrote:

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
impacted!

Thank you Boh Yap for making a very important point. Copyright law is
completely broken because commercial organizations such as MPAA and RIAA
have too much influence over lawmakers. Their mission is to make as much
money as possible and they influence lawmakers to make laws that support
their goals.

We might have a problem in Malaysia with illegal software, music, videos,
etc, but this IIPA list isn't an indicator. It's just another piece of
propaganda in a war against consumers.

-- Ghodmode

And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
CDs and distribute them??

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
wrote:

Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate

For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
mention about OSS,

http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf

"which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
equitable market access to software companies."

and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report d

Re: [osdcmy] ERP for Education?

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik Ghodmode


On 4/03/2011 8:02 p.m., Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa wrote:

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:


I'm a hosting reseller and I looked it up.  I have shared hosting plans
available with Java for $66.12 / yr (about RM200)
(http://www.securepaynet.net/hosting/hosting.aspx?ci=17075&prog_id=452044#details).
Mahal ka?  I'm pretty sure the server specs (memory, processor, etc.) are
the same as the plan without Java, but I couldn't find the exact details.


It hard for me to trust this kind of hosting (no offence to you)
unless there's technical details that can convince me on how they
setup the hosting. But I'm referring more on local hosting so even I
can trust this, latency still an issue (assuming this is US based
hosting).
Actually, I agree with you.  It irritates me that I can't get the 
technical specs on the server that is hosting my web site.  
Unfortunately, though, I think it's pretty common.


The company that I'm a reseller for is GoDaddy.com.  They're a 
well-known, reputable company with very reliable support and perfect 
uptime.  That's why I decided to host with them and become a reseller.


Previously I was hosting with Exabytes (Malaysian company), but I wasn't 
a reseller.




To give some perspective, webfaction (hosting that I trust) do not
officially support Java. I don't know Java so I can't tell how hard it
is to provide good and reliable java hosting. To host plone site
(which considered the most resource hungry for python) on webfaction,
we need more than 100M RAM, (the basic plan at 9.50 USD/month gave
80M). If java can use less resource than this, it would be an
interesting news to me, worth to explore some more.  My guess at best
you can only run single java app within this limit so still considered
expensive compared to php or python.


So, I think my plan has a good price because it's 6.99 USD/month with 
guaranteed Java hosting.  I could actually tweak those prices a bit, too.


I know Java, but the Java web projects that I've worked on have always 
had the full resources of a dedicated server.  The server side 
configuration is more complicated for a Java-based web application than 
for PHP, Python, or Perl, but that doesn't really have any implications 
for the resources required.


Now that I think about it, the resource improvements to Java that I've 
read about were based on stand-alone applications rather than web 
applications.  So, there may be a completely different set of resource 
and performance concerns when developing a Java-based web application 
versus a stand-alone application.


I'd be very interested in learning about specific resource requirements 
of different types of web applications.


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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Boh Yap  wrote:

> hi
>
> No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
> is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
> industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
> downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
> exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
> are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
> impacted!
>
>
Thank you Boh Yap for making a very important point.  Copyright law is
completely broken because commercial organizations such as MPAA and RIAA
have too much influence over lawmakers.  Their mission is to make as much
money as possible and they influence lawmakers to make laws that support
their goals.

We might have a problem in Malaysia with illegal software, music, videos,
etc, but this IIPA list isn't an indicator.  It's just another piece of
propaganda in a war against consumers.

-- Ghodmode



> And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?
>
> And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..
>
> Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
> CDs and distribute them??
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>  wrote:
> > Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
> > pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
> >
> > For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
> > mention about OSS,
> >
> > http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
> >
> > "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
> > equitable market access to software companies."
> >
> > and OSS in Malaysia, tiada taring lagi.. Report do not mention
> > about it. So more work to us as community.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
> >  wrote:
> >> Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre & Open Source Software
> >> (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace too.
> >> Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
> >>
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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1  wrote:

>  http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -
> Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption and saves
> http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
> RM188! Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah?
> Kene tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...
>
> sudahla... :)
>

Lets capitalize on this opportunity.  The new FLOSS users need support.  Who
will put on their business card "Specializing in FLOSS Implementation and
Support Services"?

And another thought...
>From the articles, my guess is that their savings comes primarily from
dumping Microsoft Office in favor of OpenOffice.org.  But OpenOffice.org has
fallen out of favor a little bit due to Oracle's influence.  The managers
and officers in government offices aren't likely to know anything about
this, or even care, but we do.

My concern is that now Oracle will basically try to take over where
Microsoft left off by locking consumers (government offices included) into
some kind of services, modules, and support plan that they can't get from
the Open Source world.

In a few years will we be fighting Oracle the same way we've fought
Microsoft in the past?

I can now see why RMS is a *lifelong activist*... it just never ends.

I'm curious what everyone thinks.  Does it matter to you?  Is it a problem?

Has anyone heard of the related term "Open Core"?
What is open core licensing (and what isn’t)
UPDATED<http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/10/20/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/>-
451 CAOS Theory
(
http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/10/20/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel  wrote:

> Its still trouble us... Between pirate and OSS, most of them will pick
> pirate. Need to promote the good of OSS and the evil of pirate
>
> For our OSS friends in Indonesia... Report for Indonesia directly
> mention about OSS,
>
> http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf
>
> "which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and
> equitable market access to software companies."
>

That's a good point that I often forget.  I focus on moral implications that
directly affect my community or me as an individual, but this also affects
national economy, community, and development.  A company that otherwise
might invest in Malaysia may decide not to because of this list.

I agree that we need to promote the benefits of FLOSS, but I hesitate to
suggest that piracy, as the corporations have defined it, is *evil*.  It *is
* illegal and endorsing or encouraging illegal activities can hurt us on
many levels even if those laws could be considered unjust.

In public venues, I often try to use the negative propaganda like this list
as a tool.  Small companies often do pick pirated software first.  Then they
are faced with either worrying about getting caught or paying too-high
prices to get licensed.  I discuss that scenario, then present FLOSS as the
solution.

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Haris bin Ali  wrote:

> Free Software!! And beards! GAR!
>
> //ha...@qedx.com
>
>
+1 for beards! ... now if I could just convince my wife :)

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By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to my list of *must visit* places if
I ever get to spend some time in KL :D

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1  wrote:

>  ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
> pirating?
> I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
> issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
> software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
> hope).
>

Absolutely not.  The conditions of the licenses that cover (almost?) all
Linux distributions explicitly allow copying and distributing the software.
However, if the software is represented as something else, they're probably
doing something immoral, if not illegal.

>From several years ago, I remember reading about a local (here in KK)
company that was putting a different name on a standard OpenOffice.org
installation CD and selling it as their own product.  That's certainly
shady, but I'm not sure how it would have been handled in a court.  I
couldn't find any information about it just now, though.

Related:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/kk-lug/agyaslLu0vs/discussion

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
>
Why not?  If I host an MP3 file containing a copyrighted song on my website,
the company that owns the rights to the song will probably try to have my
site taken down.

In this context, the term "piracy" was rhetoric used by to make people who
share seem evil.  It doesn't really mean anything.  It's more or less
slander.

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[osdcmy] ERP for Education? (was: Buatkan website ?)


On 3/03/2011 6:31 p.m., Mohd Kamal Bin Mustafa wrote:

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
  wrote:

sebenarnye dalam cadangan nak try mecca, ERP untuk
education institute/university :)
http://www.red1.org/university/

That Java ..., don't get me wrong but if you have the resource or
(luxury to get what you need) then that's cool, good for you. But if
what you have is just some budget vps (or worse budget shared hosting)
I'm not sure if it realistic to run these java app. I've spent my
developer life looking for a good ERP system that can be run on a
budget shared hosting or at least, vps. We're only mom-and-pop
business, $$$ ciput.


I'm entering this conversation late, but it's an interesting topic.

Some of my family work in the education sector here in Sabah and I've 
thought of researching open source tools that would make their work 
easier.  The current solutions are more of a problem than a solution... 
They often must resort to paper and pen because of problems with their 
IT solutions.


Does anyone on this list have any experience with either ERP or CMS 
implementations for education?  Moodle (http://moodle.org/) comes to mind.


A web search for 'open source erp' yields some interesting results, but 
I don't have experience with any of them.


I've looked through the site and materials for Mecca ERP.  I don't think 
Java is Mecca ERP's main weakness.  Long ago, (in a galaxy far, far 
away?) Java earned a reputation for being resource-hungry, but I think 
they addressed those issues and it's not really true any more.



I'm a hosting reseller and I looked it up.  I have shared hosting plans 
available with Java for $66.12 / yr (about RM200) 
(http://www.securepaynet.net/hosting/hosting.aspx?ci=17075&prog_id=452044#details).  
Mahal ka?  I'm pretty sure the server specs (memory, processor, etc.) 
are the same as the plan without Java, but I couldn't find the exact 
details.



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