[ozmidwifery] breech baby wisdom

[Larry & Megan]

Does anyone know if there is compelling evidence why a VBAC should be ruled
out because baby is in breech position, to add to it the feet are down, not
bum?
Mum is about 35-36 weeks, planned homebirth, excellent supportive OBs, and
has a week ahead of bookings and tricks to help baby turn, Obs is also
supportive of ECV if necessary. Bubs just did the flip last week.

Any thought on this would be grately appreciated.
Its strange to hear comments from the likes of Ann Peacock and Tracy Curo
and to know and be with someone who would move heaven and earth for the
chance of a vaginal birth.

Thanks
Megan

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[ozmidwifery] 60 mins letter

[Larry & Megan]

I was also lost for words on what to write to them, but ended with a short
and shiny,

Dear 60 minutes,

I came away from watching your segment on childbirth believing that it was
nothing more than a promotion of medical birth.

My belly is overflowing with our fourth baby due any day, which we have
chosen to birth at home, where we feel safe and loved, supported by our very
capable midwife.

Your promotion of caesarean birth as a harmless and “chosen” way to birth a
baby has only contributed to the difficulties women face wanting a natural
vaginal birth.

True informed choice can only come from true information, something 60
minutes failed to provide.

Disappointed

Megan Resch

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RE: [ozmidwifery] 60 Minutes this Sunday -7.30pm Channel 9

[Larry & Megan]

Title: 60 Minutes this Sunday -7.30pm Channel 9



Had a 
look at ninemsn website and this is the promo for the show 

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_05_30/story_1126.asp
 
Megan
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Justine 
  CainesSent: Thursday, 27 May 2004 6:40To: OzMid List; MC 
  Committee; MC NSW Branch; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] 60 
  Minutes this Sunday -7.30pm Channel 9Hi AllJust to let you all know 60 Minutes is doing a 
  segment on the rise in caesarean section rates and particularly the increase 
  of post c/s hysterectomy.I was asked to appear in my capacity as MC 
  Pres and as a Mum choosing a very different birth option.I was careful 
  as to what I said.  The Q’s were all in response to C/S and none about my 
  experience sadly, they wanted me to ‘blame women’ of which I did not, but 
  tried to focus on the poor support and general societal issues 
  etc.What is most significant is they have included footage from my 
  latest birth (courtesy of Nic Edmonstone’s wonderful work).  I believe 
  there’ll be 50 seconds of the birth and I hope the pictures literally speak 
   1000 words!  There is also to be footage of a C/S.I ask 
  that everyone e-mail 60 minutes with short succinct letters, particularly 
  highlighting how our broken maternity system could be fixed.  If there is 
  a good response they should feature 2 letters (usually only 1 per segment) .I 
  will remind everyone after the show!I have worked very hard to get the 
  best out of this story (5 hours assisting them with their research!!) but they 
  are interviewing Molloy!  Who knows he might be so outrageous he will 
  shoot himself in the foot.Any way hope you can tune 
  inJustine 

[ozmidwifery] NICE guidlines for C Section published

[Larry & Megan]

Debbie wrote "Interestingly, it says there should be RCT's to compare
vaginal birth and sections !!!"

I am nearly finished reading Michel Odent's, The Caesarean, and twice he has
commented on RCT re this topic. To quote "For obvious reasons one cannot
tell a group of pregnant women that they must give birth vaginally, while
other women - at random - are told they must have a caesarean."

Why is the blatantly obvious missed by so many others?

Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] natural birthing options in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

Hi 
Melissah,
can 
you pass on the contact details for Birth Matters SA, Tania 8339 4074 or Megan 
8178 0149. We can give her some info regarding her options in Adelaide. 

 
Cheers
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Melissah 
  & Scott @ Spilt ArtSent: Thursday, 29 April 2004 
  11:06To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] natural birthing options in Adelaide
  Hi there everyone! This message was 
  posted on a parenting forum, Ithought Id copy it here to see if anyone could 
  help.
   
  Thanks in advance! 
  Melissah
   
  My best friend is pregnant and looking at birthing options - she wanted 
  to go to the Womens & Childrens birthing centre but lives in Belair so was 
  told she was 'out of the catchment area'. Does anyone have any info I can pass 
  on to her for Adelaide ?
  
  
  www.Splitart.com 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Debbie 
Slater 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; MCMgtCte ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:06 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] NICE guidlines 
for C Section published

The National Institute for Clinical Excellence 
(NICE) in the UK have just published their CS guidelines.
 
Haven't studied them in detail (it's about 60 
odd pages), but here are summaries of some of the points I picked up (I 
think):
 

  CS should not be offered before 39 
  weeks; 
  Women should be advised that a homebirth will 
  reduce their risk of a section, but using midwifery-led units doesn't 
  !!! 
  Continous support in labour reduces risk of 
  CS; 
  Induction should not be offered until after 41 
  weeks; 
  Maternal request should not be a reason for a 
  section; 
  Active managment and early amniotomy should 
  not be offered, but a four hour partogram should be used !!; 
  EFM increases the likelihood of a CS; 
  Breech presentation should be offered ECV 
  before a section is offered; 
  Twin pregnancies should try vaginal birth if 
  first twin is cephalic; 
  VBAC should be supported
Interestingly, it says there should be RCT's to 
compare vaginal birth and sections !!!
 
For the full guidelines - see http://www.nice.org.uk/Cat.asp?pn%20=public&cn=toplevel&ln=en
 
Debbie
Perth, 
WA

RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC

[Larry & Megan]

My 
understanding is that the company that makes Misoprostol does not support the 
use of it as an induction drug AT ALL. If this is the case, I can only wonder 
how an ethics committee can approve any trial using this drug. It is 
considerably cheaper than alternatives and is promoted as being kinder to woman 
as it is less invasive than insertion of gels. Also there isn't a storage 
problem with having to keep it in a fridge, benefits remote areas aimed at 
"helping" developing countries, etc.
The 
mind boggles,
Megan
 

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jo & Dean 
  BainbridgeSent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 12:51To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  VBAC
  They have started using misoprostol here in Australia; 
  W&CH SA were doing studies in it using women but assured me they would not 
  be using VBAC women as VBAC is a contra-indication for using the drug.  
  These were the same people who were/are doing the ACTOBAC trial.  
  
  The thing that worries me is they say it is not 
  suitable and for darn good reason, but then it becomes the norm for nonvbacs 
  and then over time it starts to be used and whammo!  VBAC is once 
  again endangered not by being a vbac but by mismanagement.  A great 
  number of the studies into the safety of vbac are ones done where induction 
  drugs such as this is usedand they wonder why Uterine Rupture 
  occurs!!!
  sorry...just venting!!!
  Jo
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jen 
Semple 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:21 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC

How common is the use of misoprostol for induction in Australia?
 
I've read it's used quite a lot in the US & that it's used in 
abortion in Australia, but all I've seen used for induction (in my 2 years 
as a mid student) in Oz is Prostin.
 
Would love to hear your thoughts/experiences.
 
Jen
3rd year BMid, MelbourneMary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  
  

  
  


  20040414-39 Uterine 
rupture  associated with misoprostol labor induction in 
women with previous cesarean delivery - European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and 
Reproductive Biology , vol 113, no 1, March 2004, pp 
45-48 Aslan H; Unlu E; Agar M; et 
al - (2004)

   
  OBJECTIVE: To review our experience with 
uterine rupture in patients undergoing a trial of labor with a 
history of previous cesarean delivery in which labor was induced 
with misoprostol. STUDY DESIGN: A retrospective chart review was 
used to select patients who underwent induction of labor with 
misoprostol during the period from February 1999 to June 2002. Women 
with a history of cesarean delivery were retrospectively compared 
with those without uterine scarring. RESULTS: Uterine rupture 
occurred in 4 of 41 patients with previous cesarean delivery who had 
labor induced with misoprostol. The rate of uterine rupture (9.7%) 
was significantly higher in patients with a previous cesarean 
delivery (P<0.001). No uterine rupture occurred in 50 patients 
without uterine scarring. Women with a history of cesarean delivery 
were more likely to have oxytocin augmentation than those without 
uterine scar! ring (41% versus 20%; P=0.037). CONCLUSION: 
Misoprostol induction of labor increases the risk of uterine rupture 
in women with a history of cesarean delivery. (16 references) 
(Author) 

  
  
Article Type: 
Original research

  
  
Standard Search: P107 L14 L21 
  Yet VBAC  women are still being induced this 
  way.  4 out of 41 is pretty definite. 
 M


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children

[Larry & Megan]

Its 
pretty obvious from this list that co-sleeping can't inhibit your sex life too 
much, just look at how many of us have 3 children, and some. 

I 
remember before having my children, working full time in my own business and 
hubby working full time, plus renovating and a social life etc, we had some 
pretty quiet times in the bedroom. Exhaustion is not a good aphrodisiac, no 
matter what causes it.
My 
total picture now is much happier, and the sex is pretty damn good when we make 
the effort. Maybe we just appreciate it more. 
 
Cheers
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Nicole 
  ChristensenSent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  Co-sleeping and older children
  I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for 
  sharing your experience.
   
  I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we 
  didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our 
  age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life 
  is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then 
  marginally affected by the above factors also.
  I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry 
  about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering 
  eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being 
  teenagers again - not wanting to get caught!
   
  kindest regards,
  Nicole
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Graham and Helen 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and 
older children 

I have a personal experience to share about 
co-sleeping as a child.  My father died when I was four and I had 3 
older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12.  I slept with 
Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so 
most nights until I was about 15.  Mum never ever had a 
relationship again which was very sad and hopefully not because of 
me!!!  I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there 
(as was I).  The others all stayed in their beds but soon 
after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they 
needed a male influence...but that is another story.
 
I certainly don't class myself to be 
clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled 
extensively since I was 17 when I started nursing.    I still 
do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her 
eighties.  
 
I found out a few years ago that my older 
brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was 
fourteen.  At that stage Mum and I were living alone as my 
sister had moved out by then.  She didn't tell me at the time 
and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh.  
 
So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our 
child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved 
ideas about how we would handle it.  I did recognize that my 
situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still 
been alive.  He used to let us get in to the bed in the night, but 
we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around.  

 
We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep 
as part of his emotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful 
bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings 
on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least" and does, 
at times, interfere with our sex lives.  We don't seem to be as 
energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our 
relationship.  I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related 
thing...again that is another story.  
 
I too have really enjoyed the recent 
discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight 
into their lives when the sun goes down.
 
Helen Cahill
 
 
 
 
 

[ozmidwifery] hysterectomy reply

[Larry & Megan]

Thanks to all who replied,
Megan
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[ozmidwifery] hysterectomy info in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

Sorry its not quite Midwifery, but can anyone in Adelaide recommend a good
person to get info on Hysterectomies. My mum is to have it done but really
needs confirmation on the info and choices given by her Dr, who believes in
removing everything "just in case". She has a choice but is very confused.

I guess the abuse doesn't stop at having babies, we get to do it all again
as we reach or pass menopause.

thanks
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Private Insurance companies covering independent midwives?

[Larry & Megan]

We are 
with Defence Health and they cover midwifery, so many pre and post natal visits 
and X amount for birth, cant remember the actual payout though. My understanding 
is that its not uncommon for the midwife to arrange the costs on paper so as to 
maximise pay outs. I have done the ring around of companies in SA and it makes 
for an interesting experience. Most had to get the book out and read it or ask a 
supervisor, in other words they had no idea, its an education for the staff. One 
company would only pay on the cost of birth if baby was born in hospital not at 
home. I asked how they would know, he said only if the midwife wrote that it was 
a homebirth. They don't understand why women even make this choice, I had to 
explain that homebirth wasn' t accidental it was planned a number of times. 

As for 
Indemnity Ins in relation to Health Ins paying out, the two are completely 
different, one covers adverse outcome, etc and the other is recovering cost 
of services provided. I can't see how they can descriminate, as long as the 
person is qualified, I bet they don't ask for proof of indemnity ins from any 
other provider.
I believe some insurers also cover for the cost of 
childbirth education, we had a mix up when I claimed the birth of my last baby 
and found this out, its worth asking if you do. The other thing is that some 
companies offer little bonuses if you register with them, like a basket etc 
and homebirth mums should not be discriminated against for this, so 
ask.
 
Cheers
Megan
 
 -Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Alphia 
Possamai-InesedySent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 9:23To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Private 
Insurance companies covering independent midwives?
Jen,I was not aware that 
  this was the case - do you know which private insurance companies do 
  this?  I find it surprising considering that independent midwives are not 
  covered by indemnity insurance.  I am currently finishing a subsection of 
  my thesis on the indemnity crisis and found your news interesting.  If 
  you could help me out with this I would grealty appreciate it.Take 
  careAlphiaAt 03:47 AM 17/02/2004, you wrote:
  Some private insurance companies 
cover the fee of a midwife in private practice. One to one care 
with a midwife she's known throughout pregnancy & birth is her best bet 
for successful breast feeding. Best of luck, 
Jen"Melissah & Scott @ Spilt Art" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  I have someone who is about 18 weeks 
  pregnant and fairly recently moved to the blue mountians (Katoomba) She is 
  unsure of where to birth at the moment and is concidering birthing at 
  nepean private to make use of her private health insurance. She is hoping 
  to stay in hospital for about 5 or so days, and at nepean private her 
  husband can stay with her. She wants to stay in for a few days because she 
  is nervous about being able to breastfeed and take care of her bub, as she 
  feels she has not much idea of what she is doing. 
  So I sugested to her that maybe a doula could be of great benifit to 
  her by the way of childbirth info, birthing and post natal care/advice 
  etc. She is quite interested in talking to some doulas in the 
  area.
   
  So, I thought Id try to get together 
  a list of Doulas in the area to pass on to her. If anyone is interested, 
  could you please either reply or email me directly with all your details 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  I know your around Abby, but I cant find your contact 
  details.
   
  Thanks! Melissah
  www.Splitart.com Try the new 
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  CandidateSchool of Applied and Human SciencesBankstown Campus, 
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  Distribution CentreNSW 1797 AustraliaPhone: 02 97726628Fax: 02 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Carpel Tunnell Syndrome

[Larry & Megan]

Personally i have had lots of trouble with my wrists which became agony 
with my second child. I invested in a lot of good accupuncture, after 20 
treatments post birth it pretty much went away. No trouble until preg with third 
baby and used massage to treat it, no ongoing problems. Now pregnant with fourth 
baby i have noticed small flair ups that seem to coincide with an increase of 
relaxin in the body as other things seem to also crash at the same time. I also 
noticed similar stuff when menstruating in between babies. My problems went back 
to my days as a haidresser, lots of pre-existing damage that i didin't know 
existed and pregnancy just brought it all to a head.
I now 
have a lot of faith in the accupuncture I received and believe it saved me from 
uneccesary surgery that could/would have been reccomended if I saw a 
GP.
Hope 
it is of some help, as I am amazed at how many women suffer from this, but also 
we need to have a good look at what we ask of our bodies and how little respect 
we have for it. Also have doing yoga for years and that helps with posture 
etc.
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mary 
  DoyleSent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 8:16To: ACE 
  GraphicsSubject: [ozmidwifery] Carpel Tunnell 
  Syndrome
  Dear List Readers,
   
  I have had a number of pregnant women recently 
  with severe carpel tunnell syndrome, especially in the hot weather. Some have 
  had severe symptoms with constant pain and numbness to fingers, wrists 
  and forearms, and subsequent sleeplessness. Some tried remedies have 
  been wrist splints, massage and lymph drainage (as in those with 
  post-mastectomy lymphodema) , diuretics, and sleeping tabs - all to no 
  avail!  
  The only remedy it seems is to birth the baby. 
  Even then I have known one woman with permanent numbness and hand/finger pain 
  following the birth.
   
  I am interested in the antenatal management of 
  this if anyone has any information, and I am also generally interested in 
  the physiology of a woman's diuresis after birth.  I am often surprised at the dramatic difference 
  in facial appearance of a postpartum woman who has been been very puffy 
  prior to birth. 
   
  eg:-    
    Why to some 
  women get more oedema after birth before it starts to settle?
          
          What sort of volumes are we talking 
  about in relation to postpartum diuresis?
      
  What happens to the balance of maternal electrolytes during this rapid 
  postpartum diuresis?
   
  Hope to hear some new info, Cheers to 
  all.
   
  Mary Doyle
  Community Midwife
  Bright,
  Victoria
   
   
   
   
   
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Adelaide Resources?

[Larry & Megan]

Howdy 
Rochelle,
congrats on number two, hope all goes 
well.
The 
most extensive library I know of is at Coast yoga, which she can join if 
attending the pregnacy classes there, Fri night 6.30-8.15, ph Vanessa 8295 2298. 
There are so many wonderful books their now, and of course the class sharing and 
support is huge as always. The first 2004 Birth Matters coffee morning is on 
Thurs Feb 12th, 10am-12, Eastwood Comm Centre, 95 Glen Osmond Rd, next 
evening gathering is on Thurs March 25th 7.30pm-9.30pm, same place. 
Homebirth contact no is Merridy ph 8391 0548, I believe Helen Taylor is 
running their library. 
Hope 
that helps 
cheers
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tim & 
  RochelleSent: Friday, 30 January 2004 5:47To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Adelaide 
  Resources?
  Hello,
   
  I thought I would put a call out to those on the 
  list in Adelaide. I have friend who is 8 weeks pregnant first baby and is keen 
  for information. I have sent her my old copies of Birth Matters Magazine SA 
  and told her of the coffee mornings, and suggested prenatal yoga, active birth 
  workshops and that she check out the birth centre at womens and childrens 
  especially now that the team midwifery has just started there. At 8 weeks she 
  already has an Ob (female) and had 1 u/s due to some pain and spotting. I am 
  sensing she is not thrilled with the level of care from Ob, so hopefully 
  investigates her options further. 
   
  I guess what I want to know is if there is a 
  resource centre or a centralised place to borrow books on pregnancy and 
  birth and gather information, available to women in the community? Does 
  the Womens and Children's Hospital offer a library service? I have also 
  given her a couple of copies of the Homebirth Network SA Mag, and I 
  believe they have a collection of books for lending? So she will have contact 
  details for someone from this group.
   
  I will send her a list of good websites and 
  another friend is buying her Janet Balaskas' "New Active Birth"  so that 
  will be a good start.
   
  Thank You
  Rochelle in Perth. Very excitedly 
  expecting our second baby and first home birth with the Fab Community 
  Midwifery Program.
   
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc

[Larry & Megan]

To add my bit,
ran into this very problem with a pregnancy yoga video, my In-laws could
play it so tried to tape it, no way, it has security stuff on it to prevent
you from doing so. Check before you buy,
Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jayne
Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2004 6:20
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc


Ooppps, I mean NTSC - most later model VCRs bought in Australia DO play
NTSC.  Some may have a setting that needs changing but with the 3 VCRs I
use, you just pop in and play NTSC videos.

My VCRs were bought in the past 2 1/2 years.

Regards

Jayne




- Original Message -
From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc


> Hi Jayne,
>
> It is the US NTSC version of videotapes that most Australian VCRs cannot
> play and unless you specify that you want a PAL version when you order
from
> the US they will automatically send the NTSC type.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea
>
>
> At 10:15 AM 19/01/2004, jayne wrote:
> >Not necessarily these days because most VCRs bought in Australia in the
past
> >couple of years also play PAL videos.
> >
> >Check your instruction booklet that came with the VCR if not sure.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Jayne
> >
> >
> > > If you order from the US you have to remember to order the PAL
version,
> > > which will cost more
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:58 PM 18/01/2004, Diane Gardner wrote:
> > > >The video available on the
www.waterbirth.org
> > > >site titled
> > >
> >
> >5>Birth
> > > >Into Being: The Russian Waterbirth Experience is well worth buying. I
> >show
> > > >it to all my couples during my classes. It depicts beautiful birth in
> >both
> > > >birthing pools and also in the Black Sea. I usually buy them in a
pack of
> > > >10 and they work out much cheaper. I am about to place another order
> >again
> > > >if anyone is interested. I think if you buy them singly they are
around
> > > >US$40 plus postage but I can buy them and sell them for AU$50 incl.
> >postage.
> > > >
> > > >Let me know and I will let you know when they arrive.
> > > >
> > > >Diane
> > > >
> > > >  - Original Message -
> > > >From: Jen Semple
> > > >To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:02 PM
> > > >Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth articles, protocols, etc
> > > >
> > > >Great resource...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>http://www.waterbirth.or
> >g/spa/content/view/72/87/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Andrea Robertson
> > > Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth
Education
> > >
> > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > web: www.birthinternational.com
> > >
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RE: [ozmidwifery] PTSD

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Salon | Cut me open!



Is this the 
one, www.tabs.org.nz 
cheers
Megan
 

  
   -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Diane 
  GardnerSent: Monday, 22 December 2003 3:32To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  PTSD
  
  I know that some time ago I read on the list 
  about an organisation in New Zealand that had a great website for PTSD after 
  birth. I have an associate that has a mum in great distress at the moment and 
  I can't seem to find the post that had the website link. Would somebody please 
  post that to this list again.
   
  many thanks
  Diane
  
   
   
  

RE: [ozmidwifery] Disturbing article (dated 1999)

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Salon | Cut me open!



This 
woman is keen to promote herself as a feminist, but surely if she cared about 
feminism she would be advocating for all women to have choices in childbirth, 
not just to defend her way of birthing. To mention her ideas around what is myth 
and what is fact, obviously based on sound research (not), just shows how little 
she was/is informed about caesarean birth or any kind of birth at all. 

 
I also 
wish 2004 a year to be giving women real choices in childbirth and 
giving Midwives the chance to truly be with women, with insurance thrown in as 
well.
 
A 
Merry Christmas to all
Megan
 
 
 -Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of *G and 
S*Sent: Friday, 19 December 2003 2:07To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Disturbing 
article (dated 1999)

  Found this article while doing a search.  
  
  Warning if you're in a good mood and don't 
  want it spoilt...press delete!!
  Sonia W.
   

[ozmidwifery] sterile water injections

[Larry & Megan]

I'm reading Henci Goers "The Thinking Womans Guide to a Better Birth", and
she mentions using sterile water injections for releif of intense back pain.
I'm wondering if anyone has used this and what is the opinion on it. I guess
also is it being used at all in hospitals in Australia.

Thanks
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations

[Larry & Megan]

A friend who is an Osteopath suggests that for women who have a history of
babies who present as breech, or possibly brow that osteo treatment could
offer some benefit. At least by adjusting the body you are giving the baby
an opportunity it might not have had.
Just a thought
Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marilyn
Kleidon
Sent: Wednesday, 17 December 2003 6:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations


The mum was instinctively doing front to back rocking on the floor mattress,
throughout labour and while she was pushing. I debriefed with her and her
partner today which was really good for all of us. What is interesting,
Belinda, is that this woman also has a family history of c/s, 3 sisters had
all c/s and one a forceps with a not too good outcome which was why she
opted for the c/s even before the ob agreed it was a brow and didn't think
forceps/vacumm were an option. I am thinking there maybe something physical
midpelvis/at the spines which caused the baby to deflex, but who knows maybe
it was just the ARM in this particular situation??

Interesting re the palp: I thought there was no head above the brim as did
the PHO but ob thought she felt some face, but her hand was on the opposite
side to where the face was on delivery, on delivery the baby's hand popped
out where ob thought the face was. Baby was not deep in the pelvis
i.e.didn't need to be pushed out of the vagina to be delivered abdominally
but the brow was definetly at the spines, no more though.

I do think c/s was the only option for safe delivery of this baby.

marilyn

- Original Message -
From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations


> I tend to agree with Marilyn. Rupturing the membranes may have contributed
> to the babe coming down deep into the woman's pelvis in a deflexed
position,
> also making it more difficult for it to flex and rotate with no
> 'cushioning'. An hour in the tub with some oblique pelvic stretches and
> front to back rocking - don't ususally see this in labour, but it may help
> in times like this - may also have assisted with flexion and rotation.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations
>
>
> > Yes, Denise: I wonder if an hour in the tub would have helped?? There
was
> no
> > synto augmentation involved 4cm to fully in 4 hrs seemed like a lovely
> > active birth was about to happen. Yes also: those Midwifery Today
> > suggestions are great to try in a homebirth situation/independent
practice
> > but please tell me if there are any of you out there who would push a
baby
> > gently out of the pelvis and try to rotate and flex the head in a
hospital
> > birth suite? Also once I called in the consultant it became her call,
> > however to be honest I kind of felt if I had said I was prepared to try
to
> > use my fingers to deflex the head she just might have let me(in the OT
of
> > course). I must admit I am a tad intimidated in the hospital but also I
> have
> > never encountered a brow presentation before: it has all been academic.
> So,
> > I await your wise counsel.
> >
> > marilyn
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations
> >
> >
> > > Dear Marilyn
> > > Thank you for sharing your reflections and cogitations.
> > >
> > > This is my beleif, experience that midwives do reflect on all that
> inputs
> > > into a labour and the possible interplay rather than jumpimg to blame,
> > > denouncement  of specific action of another or the woman and baby like
> an
> > > edict of an all knowing being !!
> > >
> > > In this particular insistance or similar I also wonder about the
ramming
> > (?)
> > > effect of ARM and maybe other things that may have startled the mother
> or
> > > baby in the hospital??
> > >
> > > I take it there was no synto also pushing the hole along?
> > > .
> > > I understand and have seen floating in tubs to  help unstick some
> > asynclitic
> > > babies I wonder if it would help relax a non rigid brow back to a face
> or
> > > vertex??
> > >
> > > Also Midwifery Today & other midwifery texts talk of pushing stuck
> babies
> > > back and other maneovers trying to unstick them but that would be
easier
> > > with intact membranes?
> > >
> > > Denise
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:37 PM
> > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] Brow presentations
> > >
> > >
> > > > What do you all know about brow presentations? I was with a lovely
> woman
> > > > yesterday who wanted a natural birth a

[ozmidwifery] caesarean and stiilbirth

[Larry & Megan]

Hi all,
did anyone save a copy of the article that was posted on 28-11-03 on the
link of caesarean and stillbirth URL
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=467949 it is no
longer available without paying?

If so could they please email it to me on [EMAIL PROTECTED], we wish to
put it in our birth newsletter

thanks
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback

[Larry & Megan]

Hi 
Denise,
birthed first baby in level 3 public hospital in Adelaide with private 
obs, oxytocic given (Dr's practice), but at the same time we had asked for the 
cord to stop pulsating before cut. It was never expalined to me that my baby 
would receive so much of this drug due to our choice of waiting. Needless to say 
we wised up and birthed next two at home with a private midwife and had 
physiological third stage, waiting 11/2 hrs for the placenta to come away first 
time, baby still attached. Next time it took about 1/2 hr to come away, kept 
baby attached for about 3 hours. We were prepared to follow the rec of our 
midwife if medically indicated. I also found the AIMS publication on third 
stage, name escapes me, very informative.
 
A 
girlfriend recently birthed with private obs and insisted on physiological 3rd 
stage, Obs had never experienced one. My friend was well read and had spoken to 
my midwife to confirm her understandings of it all. I was fortunate enough to be 
at the birth and she did get her phys 3rd stage, but Obs didn't take her eyes 
off that vagina, waiting, watching, worrying and occaisionally touching the cord 
to see if anything was happening. Quite amusing for me to see, hopefully she is 
now more open minded in her practice.
 
best 
wishes
Megan 
Resch

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Denise 
  HyndSent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 3:23To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; listSubject: 
  [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback 
  Dear Ozmid list,
  I need to know or get some feedback about the 
  prevelance of physiological third stage in Australia.
  That is are women being offered the option of 
  birthing their placentas with out an oxytocic injection in Australain 
  hospitals 
  and is it standard practice to give women 
  informed choice about this in homebirths (as I understand it) Personal 
  expereinces of situations and protocols would be appreciated
   
  Thank you 
  Denise 

[ozmidwifery] Today show response

[Larry & Megan]

I have offered the Today show to share with its audience the video of the
birth of my second son, waterbirth at home. The funny thing is they could
show the whole birth because "the business end" is hidden under the water,
although they might have to blur out my breasts.
I wonder if the mum was so detached from the birth because of all the
WHO-HA. I am expecting our fourth baby (to birth at home) but seeing as I
only get one chance at having this baby I wouldnt give that moment away for
TV sensationalism.

I bet they never contact me

cheers
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Baby osteo or chiro in Warnambool area?

[Larry & Megan]

I'm 
not in that sate, but just ring some osteos (yellow pages) and see who 
specialises in babes, also one who practices 
cranial treatment would be excellent.
Otherwise there is a website and you may get the info you need off of 
that http://www.osteopathic.com.au/index.htm
 
good 
luck
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Isis and 
  Andrew CapleSent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 7:53To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Baby osteo or 
  chiro in Warnambool area?
  Can anyone point 
  me in the direction of a chiro/osteopath who specialises in infants? A friend 
  of mine is having major troubles with her little one sleeping an she is about 
  to go nuts.. She has exhausted all options and is starting to blame 
  herself..

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky

[Larry & Megan]

Dear Andrea and all
I might be sticking my nose out here, but I found this response rather
interesting. The concerns that I read on ozmid were real for those who wrote
them and were formed from a range of experiences. I havn't had any personal
experience with Pat or Nicky but know of them through reputation, none the
less I would think comments would be appreciated and taken into account as
these were not personal attacks. Maybe the comments are coming too soon for
this particular model, and we could see them as a wish list not so much as
critisism. There is a saying that goes something like "if we both agree on
something, then one of us isn't thinking"
I hope all women do get access to midwifery care, it is going to be
essential if we want vaginal birth to still be an option in our future.
cheers
Megan.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrea
Robertson
Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 2:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: response from Pat and Nicky



>Subject: response from Pat and Nicky
>Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:59:40 +1100
>
>Dear Andrea
>
>Thank you for sending us the emails that have been circulating about the
>proposed homebirth model at St George.We find much of the content
>insulting and grossly ill informed.
>
>It is hard to imagine where the information has been collected from and we
>find it very sad that so much can be said about what is not yet formed in
>any way.
>
>There is a meeting in a few weeks time and these views will be well
>represented and discussed in a respectful and honourable manner.
>
>Please do not forward us any more emails.
>
>You may post this onto ozmidwifery
>
>Many thanks
>
>Pat Brodie & Nicky Leap
>
>
>

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RE: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Jo,
it wasn't so much infection but the fact they did not have any choice but to
birth vaginally regardless. Another midwife Ina May refers to is a Mrs
Margaret Charles Smith, who worked from 1943 until 1981, she attended near
3000 births with few infant deaths and no maternal death. She was prevented
from using blood-pressure cuffs, antihemorrhagic drugs or oxygen for resusc
by her medical peers and she was forced to stop practicing in 1981.
It just is amazing how midwifery can be so succesful yet so poorly
recognised and respected.
Megan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoFromOz
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2003 12:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care


Larry & Megan wrote:

> There were just 14 maternal deaths for which she had direct
> responsibility (4.6 in one thousand births).

I found that a large number of deaths, until I re-read the dates... Now I
think, ONLY 4.6 in 1000 births is admirable, considering infection, etc back
then.

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] New models of midwifery care

[Larry & Megan]

Dear all,
my experience is that the only midwifery model in SA is that belonging to
our independant midwives. We have some excellent midwives working within the
medical model and they are by no doubt being the best midwife they can be,
but at the end of the day it is still the hospital and the doctors that call
the shots.
One of our level 3 hospitals(we have 2) lost VBAC in the birth centre purely
because one consultant refused to support it. The VBAC rates have fallen
drastically and this is accepted by those in control at the expense of women
and those wishing to support them, despite intense lobbying for its return.
I have to question how true midwifery care can work from a hospital without
the full support of doctors and midwives accepting this model.
I am currently reading Ina May's "Guide to Childbirth" and it contains some
wonderfully staggering statistics of Midwifery care. Vrouw Schrader
practiced in the Netherlands from 1693 until 1745 attending 3,017 births.
Spontaneous birth took place in 94% of cases. There were just 14 maternal
deaths for which she had direct responsibility (4.6 in one thousand births).
There were 10 cases of placenta previa, with only two maternal deaths.
If this is what you can do without formal education and medical intervention
then she is a woman to be admired.

Is a compromised model of care enough? Many women will be better off than
whats on offer now, but it still isnt the very best that they can have.

"Women are not dying because of disease we cannot treat. They are dying
because societies have yet to make the decision that their lives are worth
saving" - Mahmoud Fathalla

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Nettle tea

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Cas
I dont know about your question, but my midwife rec Nettle tea for iron
absorption, 4th baby in 5 years so body is a bit exhausted. She said I could
have 3 cups a day, and I'm at the beginning of my journey.
Megan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne and Cas
Sent: Friday, 28 November 2003 11:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Nettle tea


A friend of mine has been advised to drink nettle tea to help reduce her
amniotic fluid by her hb miidwife as her baby keeps turning from ceph to
breech. Has anyone out there any knowledge about this?

The reason I ask is because I drank nettle tea all the time late in my
pregnancy to keep fluid retention at bay and wonder if that could be
responsible for my amnio fluid dissappearing like it did in the 43rd
week. If that was the case then at least I know there are things I can
do to avoid this prob. next time.

I would appreciate any thoughts on this.

Cheers,

Cas

Cas McCullough
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RE: [ozmidwifery] full page report in today's Advertiser

[Larry & Megan]

Thanks 
for posting this Tania, 
I 
wrote straight away, my heart pounding with anger over what women are 
losing.
Below 
is my response,
Megan
 
Birthing Rights,(Advertiser 
13/11)Dr Mudge says "Women are the innocent victim in all this,". Too 
bloody right we are. Not because of the difference of opinion between 
Midwives and Obstetricians, just a pure lack of the medical model of birth 
giving women accurate information and allowing them to make true informed 
choice.I have given much of my 
time listening and talking to women about their birth experiences, including 
birthing three children myself. There is so much miss-information out there and 
women are making choices based on this that will effect them for the rest of 
their lives.Of course we should be able to birth how and where we feel safe, 
but this should not be forced on us due to anothers mistrust of the birthing 
process.If Dr Mudge is advocating choice, I hope he is also willing to throw 
his support behind women who choose to birth at home.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tom, Tania 
  and Sam SmallwoodSent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 
  12:44To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [ozmidwifery] full page report in today's Advertiser
  Oh  boy, you have to check this one out.  An 
  official response from the Maternity Coalition or CARES perhaps?
   
  Tania
   
  http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,7851067%255E20221,00.html
   
  
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA

[Larry & Megan]

The problem is that DNA can be collected from just about anything, and
perhaps using the blood from the heel prick test is a quicker (cheaper) way.
Do we know if they had to seek permission from his mother to use this method
of collection?
A girlfriend's daughter was one of those 'one in a million' that had an
unactive thyroid condition, picked up by Guthries, to me its more important
than a possible DNA source.

Cheers
Megan.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julie Garratt
Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2003 9:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA


Hi all,
My understanding is that the body of Jayden Leskey was identified using
the DNA from his heel prick test. Apparently the police can have access
to the information in exceptional cases. Makes you wonder about how else
this information could be used in the future doesn't it!

CHEERS,
Julie Garratt (:


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn
Kleidon
Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2003 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA

You know I've heard or read that somewhere to...maybe on this list!???
Does
anyone know if it is true, don't want to start any urban legends.

marilyn
- Original Message -
From: "Christina & Damien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Compulsory heelpricks for newborns plea - MJA


> A couple in an Antenatal class today said that they had read of plans
that
> the hospitals will be keeping the heelprick DNA information for a
government
> database of all newborn babies. Apparently the DNA info will be kept
> indefinitely. Has anyone heard anything about this?
> Christina
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RE: [ozmidwifery] siatic pain

[Larry & Megan]

Hi,
would 
def recommend a qualified osteopath, its a more wholistic treatment. Also she 
may be intersted in doing pregnancy yoga.
Hope 
it improves fo rher
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of linda 
  kamchevskiSent: Tuesday, 14 October 2003 7:52To: 
  listSubject: [ozmidwifery] siatic pain
  hi all hoping to get advice
   
  A friend of mine is 22 weeks pregnant with her 
  first baby.  From 17 weeks she has suffered from siatica pain that is 
  progressively getting worse.  I would be appreciative for any and all 
  advise that you may be able to dig up. 
   
  Tah  
linda

RE: [ozmidwifery] Co - sleeping!!!

[Larry & Megan]

We 
watched the show, not too bad for ACA, but I don't think a few mins really does 
it any justice. Most think your mad, and its not about suffication of baby, more 
about the old "rod for your back" syndrome. I got the best wakeup hug this 
morning form my bed buddy, a "rod" I have gotten very used 
to.
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pinky 
  McKaySent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:27To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co - 
  sleeping!!! 
  Hi all, 
  have just had a call from A Current affair - my 
  co-sleeping interview is on tonight!!!
  Fingers crossed it is a positive -the "other 
  side" is a forensic professor from Adelaide.
  Two mums had cameras placed in their bedrooms 
  overnight  - brave women!
  Pinky

RE: [ozmidwifery] solids for 11mth old

[Larry & Megan]

My 
third son was fully breastfed at 13+ months, he just refused to eat. I think his 
first food was sucking a lamb chop bone, now at 21 months he eats a range of 
foods including breastmilk. The best thing was I didn't have to prepare baby 
food, and he did his jaw excercises (development stuff) munching on a toy 
or something. I was able to go by my own instincts on what he ate,with the first 
two boys I listened to others and their expert opinions, but like minded 
friends are a good source of information. I did know someone who introduced 
solids working on a philosophy about the first food being from highest off 
the ground and ending up with that which grows closest, such as grains etc, but 
don't know much more than that.
If she has gone this 
long without too much worry then she is probably doing really 
well
 
Megan
 
 
 -Original Message-From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 1 September 2003 
10:50To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] solids for 11mth 
old 

  a mother who is fully b/f her baby on demand at 
  11 months is asking me why her daughter has to have food? I chatted about fe 
  oral experiences teeth social and food experiences.
  the mother would like a ref for introducing 
  solids that are organic and wheat and diary free any good info or web sites 
  etc jan 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Costing the cascade - research evidence

[Larry & Megan]

Tried this address and wasn't able to get access due to a 'system problem' ,
any one had any luck with it?
Megan

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David
Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 3:38
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Costing the cascade - research evidence



Hope the link works
> Sent by: david
>
> I thought you would find this article on ScienceDirect useful.
>
> If the link below is not active or is partially hyperlinked, copy the
entire link and paste the URL into the Address/Location box on your browser.
>
> Costing the cascade: estimating the cost of increased obstetric
intervention in childbirth using population data,
> BJOG: An International Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Volume 110,
Issue 8, Pages 717-724 (August 2003)
> Sally K. Tracy and Mark B. Tracy
>
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_
uoikey=B6X0R-494P7D1-2&_origin=EMFR&_version=1&md5=1ae3eb67393724e704b4f2688
50611f7
>
>
>

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?

[Larry & Megan]

A 
suggestion for the coffeee table is similar images that Sheila Kitzinger has on 
her birth coat (the yellow one), the paisley and rose prints, it would need 
explaining to people, but thats part of it. When she visited this year she wore 
it and explained the symbolic meanings, its just beautiful. You would probably 
find it on her website.
 
Good 
luck, I'm still waiting for a good design to go on my belly 
cast,
 
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M 
  FisherSent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 11:21To: 
  OzmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and 
  mosiac?
  Dear List,
   
  I've just returned to Brisbane and have re-joined 
  the list again after spending time in Perth doing some observations for my 
  studies with the fabulous midwives of the CMP - (Hi all you lovely ladies over 
  there).  This is a wonderful list to be on and so educatonal.  I've 
  been asked by my tutor to talk to the Grad Dip Mid students at ACU in Oct, so 
  I'll be enthusiastically spreading the word of continuous midwifery 
  care.  She (my tutor) is also encouraging me to do my Masters, (not sure 
  if I will yet), so I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions 
  for me for subjects that I could do a small research on.  I've never done 
  anything like this before and know nothing about research, (I'm a hospital 
  midwife and have only recently embarked on university studies).  I 
  already have some vague ideas but I'm sure there are plenty of other 
  ideas that I haven't thought of.  
  I also want to mosiac my coffee table and would 
  love to do something that symbolized birth/midwives etc, but being a hopeless 
  artist I haven't been able to think of a simple design to do.  Can anyone 
  help???
   
  Cheers, 
  Joanne 
(Fisher)

RE: [ozmidwifery] Reducing C/S rates

[Larry & Megan]

Thankyou everyone, this is the one I had in mind. 
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Debbie 
  SlaterSent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 1:16To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reducing 
  C/S rates
  Mary/ MeganThis was the one I was thinking of, which was posted 
  about 6 months or so ago:"The North Hampshire Hospital, 
  Basingstoke, has halved its caesarean section rate!>The Head of 
  the Labour Ward (Carol) is behind it, supported by the Lead Obstetrician 
  (Claire). Carol was at the last Rising Caesarean Rate Conference in 
  January and expressed her frustration that it was all very well but what 
  *exactly* had to happen to get the rate down.>> The Maternity 
  Forum met last week, and since we have just lost our administrative 
  support goodness knows when we'll get any minutes so what follows is from 
  my memory:>> The graph showed that the csr peaked in Dec/Jan at 
  around 28-30%. There was lots of talk about how they could get the rate 
  down. From May there has been a steady decline in the rate reaching 15% in 
  October, and 13% over the first couple of weeks in November. They are 
  hoping to be able to maintain this. They are really excited by their 
  success, but it was clear they wanted to maintain it for a few more months 
  before they feel confident to start shouting about it. The year end csr 
  won't show the dramatic improvement although they are expecting it to end 
  up at around 20% overall as opposed to 25% last year.>> So, 
  how have they done it. Well it is multifactorial.>> 1. Feb/March 
  saw the annual change of registrars. Two female registrars joined who are 
  very pro vaginal birth.> 2. VBAC - women with a history of caesarean 
  section are encouraged to labour.> 3. Breech - Despite results of 
  the Term Breech Trial, they are still supporting those women who wish to 
  give birth vaginally to breech presenting babies to do so. In 1991 3% of 
  breech babies were born vaginally, currently 15% of breech babies are born 
  vaginally.> 4. CTG training package - Last year they had a doctor who 
  was very interested in this and who put together a very good training 
  package for the midwives resulting in better interpretation of EFM 
  traces.> 5. Carol was given a small amount of money to spend on 
  improving things for women. She decided the beds in the labour rooms 
  looked very clinical and spent the money on nice duvet covers and pillow 
  cases (no, wait, keep reading). She then moved the beds so they are along 
  the wall, with a chair in front of bed. Male partners are encouraged to 
  sit on bed with the labouring woman using the chair. Women then generally 
  stand up and move for contractions, the more upright position being better 
  for labour. She has had to fight to keep those beds along the walls. 
  Auxillary staff keep moving them back to the middle and it sounded like 
  she has had a bit of a set to with them. Her and Claire have had to be 
  very persistent in moving the beds back! But she has won.> 6. 
  Induction - There has been a change of induction procedure. Epidurals are 
  no longer fitted before induction but are available afterwards if and when 
  needed. Women are finding that they can cope with induced labour and 
  midwives are gaining confidence that women can cope. More inductions are 
  being carried out since it is now policy to induce at 10 days (due to NICE 
  guidelines) rather than 12 days as previously, but more are resulting in 
  spontaneous vaginal deliveries.> 7. Midwife ventouse practitioners 
  - Basingstoke now have four midwives trained to do ventouse deliveries. In 
  55% of cases where a midwife is called to carry out a ventouse delivery, a 
  spontaneous vaginal birth is achieved. But more important are the 
  opportunities this gives for experienced midwives to pass on their skills 
  to less experienced midwives.>> What these measures have 
  succeeded in doing is changing the attitude ofthe unit as a whole. It is 
  early days yet, but they have high hopes of being able to sustain the 
  change. They have recently taken on a new obs and Carol says she made it 
  very clear to him at their first meeting that this is how things are going 
  to be run and that he will have to fit in.>> There was another 
  graph too. Just in case anyone thinks they are doing less cs and more 
  forceps/ventouse that is not the case. The forceps/ventouse deliveries 
  have remained unchanged. The number of caesareans has gone down and the 
  number of svd's has gone up.>> I am so please this has happened 
  anywhere, but for it to happen on my patch> is great - although I can 
  claim absolutely no credit whatsoever!"Whatever, it shows that 
  some UK hospitals are taking the issue to heart and trying to do something 
  about it.Debbie 
   

[ozmidwifery] lowering caesarean rate

[Larry & Megan]

did anyone file away the posting on the hospital in UK that lowered its C/S
rate by a dramatic amount just by making some changes such as relocating the
bed, updating education on reading monitors, etc, do you remember the one?
I have searched and can't find it, I wish to send it along with a letter to
a head of one of our hospitals in SA that has drastically reduced women's
VBAC rates by taking it out of the birth centre and into labour ward only. I
was hoping to inspire them to reconsider their decision, for what it is
worth.

thanks in advance
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] opportunistic session with two Indigenous midwives in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

Not sure what you mean, all the info is included for the Adelaide workshop,
"Sunday 3 August 10:30 – 12:30 at Clarence Park Community Centre:72-74 East
Ave., Black Forest, Cost $10:00  $5:00 students/non-working"
as for other states I guess it would be worth contacting Jen Byrne on 08
82718740, or ACMI SA branch,
cheers
Megan

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midwives in Adelaide


Dear All,
Can anybody give me any further information regarding the Aboriginal Women's
Workshop mentioned below? ie. date, location, cost etc.
Thanks,
Leanne.


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>Subject: [ozmidwifery] opportunistic session with two Indigenous midwives
>in Adelaide
>Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:59:45 +0930
>
>The SA Branch of the ACMI invites you to come and share a coffee and a chat
>with
>
>Two International Indigenous midwives:
>
>Carol Couchie  Heather Muriwai
>
>First Nation midwife from Canada - Maori midwife from 
>Aotearoa /
>Carol was the first Indigenous New Zealand
>graduate from Ontario’sShe has been 
>instrumental in
>Bachelor of Midwifery Education Program.   The development of Maori
>midwifery
>a Cree community
>
>Drop in for a morning coffee session:
>Sunday 3 August 10:30 – 12:30
>at Clarence Park Community Centre: 72-74 East Ave., Black Forest
>Cost $10:00  $5:00 students/non-working
>
>Carol and Heather have been invited to Adelaide as international guests
>participating in a statewide Aboriginal Women's Workshop for the Improving
>Indigenous Birthing Outcomes Project of the Aboriginal Services Division,
>DHS.   All Welcome  Inquires -  Jen Byrne 82718740
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RE: [ozmidwifery] curette and miscarriage

[Larry & Megan]

how would a first time mum know if she was or not, especially if she didn't
seek medical treatment, and what woul dthe implications of that be?
just wondering,
Megan.

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All Rh Neg women who have a miscarriage with or without a D&C, have anti D
given.  Cheers, MM

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RE: [ozmidwifery] curette and miscarriage

[Larry & Megan]

Thanks for the responses, would these ideas go along with a blighted ovum as
well, the suggestion was that leaving it would cause adhesions to form etc,
true or what?
Megan

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Subject: [ozmidwifery] curette and miscarriage


What are peoples thoughts on having a curette after a miscarriage?
I didn't involve the medico's, just my midwife so we just let nature take
its course. However many I hear who go to hospital, have one as recommended.
I guess there are medical indications for having one, but is it just a
routine procedure?

Cheers
Megan

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[ozmidwifery] opportunistic session with two Indigenous midwives in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

The SA Branch of the ACMI invites you to come and share a coffee and a chat
with

Two International Indigenous midwives:

Carol Couchie   Heather Muriwai

First Nation midwife from Canada -  Maori midwife from 
Aotearoa /
Carol was the first Indigenous  New Zealand
graduate from Ontario’s She has been 
instrumental in
Bachelor of Midwifery Education Program.The development of Maori 
midwifery
a Cree community

Drop in for a morning coffee session:
Sunday 3 August 10:30 – 12:30
at Clarence Park Community Centre: 72-74 East Ave., Black Forest
Cost $10:00  $5:00 students/non-working

Carol and Heather have been invited to Adelaide as international guests
participating in a statewide Aboriginal Women's Workshop for the Improving
Indigenous Birthing Outcomes Project of the Aboriginal Services Division,
DHS.All Welcome  Inquires -  Jen Byrne 82718740

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[ozmidwifery] curette and miscarriage

[Larry & Megan]

What are peoples thoughts on having a curette after a miscarriage?
I didn't involve the medico's, just my midwife so we just let nature take
its course. However many I hear who go to hospital, have one as recommended.
I guess there are medical indications for having one, but is it just a
routine procedure?

Cheers
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Third time labours

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Rhonda,
I had an 'easy' third birth. First two were 
8-9 hours, no problems, third was 3 hours, no problems. That is to say, no 
complications, but it was full on and hard work. I guess if your family is to 
have another baby, then you have to take the pregnancy and birth journey that 
comes with it, no doubt easier said than done.
Maybe these women had some deeper emotions 
going on that were holding back the labour and birth, I love how this idea is 
explored in "Spiritual Midwifery".
 
Megan
 

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  labours
  


  
 
Well you just totally quashed my desire for another child - already 
rather worried because of my last two disaster stories, I had this 
little bit of hope in me as my sister's all had very easy 3rd births - 
best pregnancy and birth for all three of them and they said that 
the third was better than the fourth and all gave me some hope that 
maybe if I did try again it would not be so bad.  Now I 
am even more confused as maybe the third is not always the 
best after all.
Hmm.
So I would be interested if there are any studies.
Rhonda

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20, 2003 20:11:52
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[ozmidwifery] Third time labours
 I too have observed this. it also happens in grand 
multies, but i have noevidence or research. MM> We 
have recently had two women, third pregnancies, experiencing 
difficult> spurious labours. They have come in, contracting 2/60, 
with what feelslike> good conts. But have gotten no where. 
Bubs head high, no dilatation, justan> exhausted mum and very 
tired and puzzled support people. I have done asearch> on the 
net, but no research seems to have been done. Anecdotal evidence> 
suggests third pregnancies often fiddle around. Anyone have 
anysuggestions as> to why, and what can be done to support 
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[ozmidwifery] which tests are needed?(longish)

[Larry & Megan]

Any thoughts and opinions would be wonderful please.
I have a girlfriend living in Chiang Mai, Thailand, who is early pregnant
and wanting a vaginal, intervention free birth. The problem is Thailand has
a very medical model of care that the Thai women have embraced. They have a
"Hippy Farm" with midwifery care but may not be affordable to her. Her Thai
is very basic, but hubby is a local, so that helps.
She would like to know what tests are of benefit, one appointment has
already had her being told to have numerous things done.(she said no) Her
history is relevant I think, she has had typhoid, cholera, last year had
Denghi fever and in Jan this year came home to Adelaide to have her
endometriosis removed by surgery. No previous pregnancy.
She is very strong on her ideas and has a supportive husband, but we all
know how easily one can be bullied.
I have sent her some sites on maternal screening, but I think she is more
concerned about pregnancy health not birth abnormalities.
If there was one book that would give the most advice and support on
pregnancy and birth, what would that be? She will have no access to books in
Thailand, unless purchased, and money is an issue.

Hope this isn't a too difficult question,
thanks
Megan.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and constipation

[Larry & Megan]

Just some ideas,
firstly baby may benefit from treatment by an osteopath who specialises in
paeds. Also contacting an infant massager who could teach the mum some
techniques to help with moving the poo along, any wind etc. Likewise a
homeopath/naturapath could be of help. It may be good to drop the solids off
for a while and let the baby get 'regular' again, its body may just not be
ready to cope with food. Finally, is the baby vaccinated, digestive problems
can be associated with this.
Hope things improve, its terrible to see a baby in agony over constipation.

Megan

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Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 6:26
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding and constipation


Dear List

Does anyone have any ideas why a perfectly healthy 6+ month old baby (fully
breastfed - still is) is suddenly getting badly constipated?  Since birth
she has regularly gone 48-72 hours between full nappies with no concern from
her or Mum;  starting solids slowly - pureed fruit and veges  and chewing on
Sao's with sore gums.  Went 8 days (bit of a drama by day 6  - very unhappy
baby) and was shockingly distressed by day 8.  Used water, infant coloxyl,
massage etc

We are now heading into day 4 - starting to get a bit restless (the baby)
again.


Cheryl

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[ozmidwifery] Birth Matters evening get-together

[Larry & Megan]

For those in Adelaide,

Birth Matters is getting together on Thursday 24th July, 7.30pm-9.30pm,
Eastwood Community Centre, 95 Glen Osmond Rd, Eastwood, in the sitting room
(out the back). Charge of $2 to cover room hire.
I won't put forward a topic to discuss, last time we took 1 1/2 hour to
finish the intro round, it all seems to look after itself. As always
everyone is welcome and please feel free to raise any subject you wish,
hope to see you there,

Megan Resch

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend

[Larry & Megan]

That would be lovely, send it to Birth Matters PO box 611 Brighton SA 5048.
Thankyou so much
Megan

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Megan

Not exceptionally computer-literate - but if you want a photocopy sent by
snail mail - can do.  Have the article torn out and sitting in the study.

Cheryl


>From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:54:42 +0930
>
>Hi Julie and others , is it possible to post the article or a link on
>ozmid.
>I'm in Adelaide , so havn't seen it. I like your response and would love to
>put both in our birth consumer group newsletter,
>thanks
>Megan
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julie Clarke
>   Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:10
>   To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List
>   Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
>
>
>   Hi
>
>   Below is my response to the SMH Good Weekend article – hope they are
>inundated with lots of letters - SMH Letters  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>   You can tell it pressed my buttons J
>
>   Do you like my last point?
>
>   Hug to all
>
>   Julie
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:34 PM
>   To: SMH Letters
>   Subject: Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
>
>
>
>   Mia Freedman in her article criticising “Birth Plans” and “Natural
>Birth”
>reveals herself as a woman who had unrealistic expectations about labour
>and
>birth, an unpreparedness to understand and work with her body during
>labour,
>along with bizarre ideas about maintaining appearances (her hairdo) instead
>of embracing the use of a hot shower for pain relief.  What a strangely
>old-fashioned aspect that was to her birth story. I had heard stories from
>some of my friends who were like Mia and it taught me that attitude was
>everything when it comes to birthing – luckily, I was able to learn from
>their mistakes, made smart choices. With enough courage and determination
>had a natural birth in the squatting position with my first baby and then a
>homebirth waterbirth with my second baby, all the while cared for by wise
>and wonderful midwives.  So Mia was “spitting the dummy” when her birth
>wasn
>’t quick and easy, didn’t go according to plan and rather than accepting
>the
>responsibility for her own behaviour, she is turning her anger on to others
>and blaming those who endorse natural birth. Well there is a little more to
>it than the superficial tone to your article Mia.  Becoming pregnant is a
>very grown up thing to do, fortunately there is usually about 9 months to
>realise this.  Many women approach it as a personal growth experience both
>physically and emotionally, they listen and learn from experienced mothers,
>read a wide variety of books, attend good quality birth and parenting
>preparation sessions, accept the responsibility for decision-making and
>choose wise options.
>
>   Many couples recognise the time during the pregnancy when changes to
>lifestyle need to occur, they talk more about the future, they plan all
>sorts of things together (only one of these elements is a birth plan) and
>they will often discover a maturing of their relationship.  They become
>closer and work more as a team together – this is exactly what a baby needs
>from it’s mum and dad – isn’t it?
>
>
>
>   Julie Clarke
>
>   T. (02) 9544 6441
>
>

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RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall tearing

[Larry & Megan]

My 
heart goes out to you, I'm not a midwife but I know enough to know youv'e been 
bullied. 
I had 
a second degree tear with my first which I think was brought on by obs coaching 
to push my baby out. Second baby was born at home in the water, wonderful 
midwife and only my breath and involuntary pushing to birth my baby, small first 
degree tear, no stitching required. Third baby at home, same results. I also had 
a physiological third stage for both bubs at home. 
I 
truly believe that you must have faith in what you are trying to do and must 
also have faith in those supporting you. I don't know what options you have 
regarding who you birth with, but it may be worth seeking other care providers. 
We did our homework, and were greatly supported by our midwife, we accepted the 
associated risks and birthed as best we could.
It is 
important to be informed of possible adverse outcomes, but this can't be your 
focus, or your carers. 
Nows a good time to be with like minded people, 
reading positive birth stories, be 
kind to yourself and take a breath to get back on track for the birth of 
your baby.
I hope you are feeling better, and your birth goes 
well,
love Megan
 
 
 
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Isis and Andrew 
CapleSent: Wednesday, 16 July 2003 9:27To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal wall 
tearing

  
  I apologize in 
  advance for rehashing an old topic of discussion, but I need to get this off 
  my chest.
   
  I had a 36 week ANC 
  appointment with one of the hospital OB’s yesterday and I 
  left the appointment shaking with anger. I also left questioning my own wishes 
  and plans. I was asked if I realized the risks of a VB due to my tear. I 
  answered to the affirmative. I was asked if I truly appreciated the ‘great’ 
  possibilities of incontinence if I had a VB. I answered yes, but didn’t engage 
  in a debate over the actual research done and what may cause the 
  incontinence.. I was then asked how I felt in the event of a successful VB, 
  with no tear, still meaning that 10-20-30-40 years down the track I would most 
  likely still need a colostomy bag due to the damage to the perineal 
  nerves/muscles- all linking back to my ‘ungiving’ scar tissue and my adamant 
  wish to have a VB. How does he expect me to feel, with this doom and gloom 
  prediction being spouted in an extremely patronizing tone of voice?  He 
  went on and on for about 6-7 minutes about how I must realize the risks that 
  my choices could entail. I felt my face getting hot, I felt sweat beading on 
  my upper lip, I started shaking. The only part of my wishes that he actually 
  ‘approved’ was the possibility of an episiotomy..  Then he started on my 
  wish for a physiological 3rd stage- again predicting doom and 
  gloom. His exact wording was ‘Sure it is great to have a natural delivery of 
  the placenta, but you can also die naturally from massive blood loss. Did you 
  know that a PPH can mean that blood is running with the speed of a household 
  tap and before you know it you have lost 3000cc of blood?’ I just nodded 
  dumbly in shock and disbelief..
   
  Today I doubt myself, 
  my abilities, my wishes, my knowledge, my body. I feel physically sick, 
  thinking of all the women who go to see a doctor and end up being scared into 
  submission. No wonder the rates of intervention are so high, no wonder the 
  concept of a normal, natural birth doesn’t actually mean what it sounds like.. 
  
   
  I am scared of this 
  birth, I am wavering in my resolve to not have a c-section just in case. I 
  feel empty.
   
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend

[Larry & Megan]

Hi 
Julie and others , is it possible to post the article or a link on 
ozmid. I'm in Adelaide , so havn't seen it. I like your response and would love 
to put both in our birth consumer group newsletter,
thanks
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Julie 
  ClarkeSent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:10To: Ozmidwifery 
  Mailing ListSubject: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good 
  Weekend
  
  Hi
  Below is my response 
  to the SMH Good Weekend article – hope they are inundated with lots of letters 
  - SMH Letters  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  You can tell it 
  pressed my buttons J
  Do you like my last 
  point?
  Hug to 
  all
  Julie
  -Original 
  Message-From: Julie 
  Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 
  14 July 2003 
  3:34 
  PMTo: SMH LettersSubject: Ridiculous Story in the Good 
  Weekend
   
  Mia Freedman in her article 
  criticising “Birth Plans” and “Natural Birth” reveals herself as a woman who 
  had unrealistic expectations about labour and birth, an unpreparedness to 
  understand and work with her body during labour, along with bizarre ideas 
  about maintaining appearances (her hairdo) instead of embracing the use of a 
  hot shower for pain relief.  What 
  a strangely old-fashioned aspect that was to her birth story. I had heard 
  stories from some of my friends who were like Mia and it taught me that 
  attitude was everything when it comes to birthing – luckily, I was able to 
  learn from their mistakes, made smart choices. With enough courage and 
  determination had a natural birth in the squatting position with my first baby 
  and then a homebirth waterbirth with my second baby, all the while cared for 
  by wise and wonderful midwives.  
  So Mia was “spitting the dummy” when her birth wasn’t quick and easy, 
  didn’t go according to plan and rather than accepting the responsibility for 
  her own behaviour, she is turning her anger on to others and blaming those who 
  endorse natural birth. Well there is a little more to it than the superficial 
  tone to your article Mia.  
  Becoming pregnant is a very grown up thing to do, fortunately there is 
  usually about 9 months to realise this.  
  Many women approach it as a personal growth experience both physically 
  and emotionally, they listen and learn from experienced mothers, read a wide 
  variety of books, attend good quality birth and parenting preparation 
  sessions, accept the responsibility for decision-making and choose wise 
  options.
  Many couples recognise the time 
  during the pregnancy when changes to lifestyle need to occur, they talk more 
  about the future, they plan all sorts of things together (only one of these 
  elements is a birth plan) and they will often discover a maturing of their 
  relationship.  They become closer 
  and work more as a team together – this is exactly what a baby needs from it’s 
  mum and dad – isn’t it?
   
  Julie 
  Clarke
  T. 
  (02) 9544 6441
   

[ozmidwifery] Vaccination seminar in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

Vaccination Information SA
is pleased to host visiting lecturer
Dr Viera Scheibner
vaccine researcher, author and presenter.
Viera presents her latest research including information on the very
topical-
·Meningococcal, Anthrax and Smallpox vaccines,

·MMR and autism and

·“Shaken Baby Syndrome”

These topics and more on vaccination will be discussed, literature will be
available.



When : Friday July 25, 7-10pm &

  Saturday July 26, 2-5pm

Where: Goodwood Community Centre Rosa St, Goodwood

Cost :   $12 Single

  $20 Double

  $8 Concession



BYO Mug for delicious organic soup!

 *Bookings essential!



To secure seats now, send a stamped, self-addressed envelope enclosing a
cheque,money order or credit account details for tickets to :

Vaccination Information South Australia P.O.Box 643 Magill SA 5072

For further information -

Ph/Fax  8336 5236

Email   [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Investigate Before You Vaccinate

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Lars

[Larry & Megan]

I 
often wonder about baby Lars too, his birth story had a real impact on me, 
thanks for asking Sheena,
 
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pinky 
  McKaySent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 9:12To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lars 
  
  Hi Sheena,
  I have been wondering the last few days too- are 
  we getting vibes - or have we missed something?
  Pinky

[ozmidwifery] letter to editor

[Larry & Megan]

Howdy all,
we have had very little newspaper coverage in Adelaide about how the
Insurance will effet midwives but I did get my Letter to Editor published in
the Advertiser and the local paper said they will also print it,

"Where is the government’s support of Midwives?
The World Health Organisation recognises Midwives as “the most appropriate
and cost effective type of health care provider to be assigned to the care
of women in normal pregnancy and birth, including the risk assessment and
the recognition of complications” [WHO,1999, Care in Normal Birth].
What is the explanation for the huge financial bailout of Obstetricians, yet
not a single cent has been made available for Midwives. This is not about an
increase in insurance premiums, but a total unavailability of any indemnity
insurance, effecting Midwives in private practice, Midwifery students and
agency Midwives.
For two years now we have been crying out for support of Midwives and the
need for assistance in obtaining Insurance, when will our pleas be
addressed. Why have Obstetricians not offered their united support to
Midwives, surely they don’t think that they can run maternity services on
their own? Keep up the prejudice and we just might get to see it happen.
The birth of a baby is one of life’s most precious events, please give women
the chance to strengthen the experience by birthing with Midwives.

Megan Resch"

there was some good radio coverage though on local ABC,

cheers
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Pinky,
I'll be happy to place around your flyers, send them to Birth Matters, PO
Box 611, Brighton SA 5048.

Megan Resch

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay
Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 11:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep


Hi Jackie,
Yes Ace are selling my books, but you can also down load an order form at my
website (I can also send out nice coloured fliers if anyone wants some to
leave lying around -free and free postage) I offer a discount for orders of
both books (at my site) and postage is free in Australia.
I will also file you under Breastfeeders -I am thinking where I can now do a
longer article on extended breastfeeding -its so good to hear of all these
lucky babies - and their mums are all healthy and happy - I so often used to
hear -"it must be taking a lot out of you" - mostly just milk??
Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Jaqueline Marwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep


> Dear Pinky
> Your book must be the one! Is it on sale through Ace graphics?
>
> As far as breastfeeding goes, I have been breastfeeding since March 2001
> when my son was born. I breastfed him all throughout my pregnancy and I
have
> only weaned him when I was 8 months pregnant and a month later I started
> again with my baby girl who is now 8 months old.
> I will continue to breastfeed her for as long as we want, hopefully for a
> long time :)
>
> Hey Tina, well done
>
> Jackie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of M & T Holroyd
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 1:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
>
>
> Hi Pinky,
>
> Pnky wrote: "Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1
> to 2 years old
>  right now) willing to be interviewed?"
>
> My breastfeeding times grow longer with each child.  I am not currently
> feeding an older child, but did feed my third child until 3 years & 1
month.
> We weaned because I was approx. 4 mths pregnant & suffering with fatigue &
> morning sickness.  We weaned in Oct / Nov last year.  If this is recent
> enough feel free to contact me.
>
> Tina H.  Brisbane.
>
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[ozmidwifery] Chicken Pox

[Larry & Megan]

Hi,
I posted the question about chicken pox to VISA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and
the following is Kathy Scarborough's reply,

"Thanks Megan - it is recommended for susceptible women in pregnancy but it
is a human plasma product which to me would carry its own set of risks. What
about homeopathics as an alternative? Also an antibody measurement is not
necessarily an accurate assessment for immunity.
Kathy"

Cheers
Megan Resch

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..

[Larry & Megan]

I 
can't believe we needed a study to show this, what was supposed to happen 
to the babies waste product.
Or am 
I just too simplistic?
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mary 
  MurphySent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 7:20To: 
  listSubject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting..
  
  
   American Journal of Obstets & Gynae. Vol 188. jan 2003 pgs 
  153-156
  
  Defecation in utero: A physiologic fetal function 
  C. López Ramón y Cajal MDa and R. Ocampo Martínez MDb 
  From the Unit of Prenatal Diagnosis, Service of Obstetrics and 
  Gynecology,a and the Service of Interne Medicine, Xeral 
  Hospital.b Received 30 November 2001;  revised 18 
  April 2002.  Available online 7 February 2003. 
  
  Abstract
  Objective: The objective of this study was to investigate the occurrence of 
  in utero defecation as a normal function in the human fetus. Study Design: The 
  anuses of 240 fetuses were studied sonographically between weeks 15 and 41 of 
  gestation. Fetal defecation was defined as the expulsion of rectal contents 
  through the anus into the amniotic fluid. The diameter and area of the anus 
  were measured sonographically at times of maximum anal aperture. Results: One 
  or more defecations were documented in all fetuses. The frequency of 
  defecations was highest between week 28 and 34 of gestation. Conclusion: This 
  study confirms that defecation in utero is a normal function and supports the 
  view that the evacuation of rectal contents into the amniotic fluid is no 
  departure from normal fetal physiologic behavior. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 
  2003;188:153-6.) 
  
    
  . 

RE: [ozmidwifery] 2 questions about pregnancy

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Nat,
I'm not a midwife, but maybe the cramping could be to do with her pubic
symthysis. Having suffered from an over-stretched one with my second and
third pregnancy, the pain can feel like this. However there can be other
pain, the thigh muscles get very tight and contracted, even your backside
aches. Things like climbing into the car, walking on uneven surfaces
(beach), pushing a shopping trolley, anything that involves widening of the
legs whilst supporting your weight will aggravate this problem. Maybe a
visit to an Osteopath to check her alignment might help as well. I also
remember if I had done a lot of bending etc, the lower abdominal muscles can
get sore.

Hope this is helpful,

cheers
Megan

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Sent: Monday, 26 May 2003 10:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 2 questions about pregnancy



   Hello, my name is Nat and im a direct entry midwifery student and i
had two questions asked of me which i could not answer with any certainty by
a pregnant woman and i was hoping for a little push in the right direction,
or an answer.

They were;

Whether labor is generally longer or shorter with an epidural for a second
baby, or not? and

What would be the cause of the child bearing woman's severe, almost period
pain like, cramping below her pregnant belly that goes out towards the hip
region?

I was thinking that it could be her uterus streaching, but with the pain
extending to her hips i wasn't sure and wanted another opinion

Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thankyou.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Story of love and warmth

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Story of love and warmth



This 
family must be going through so much emotionally, joy that they have Lars with 
them , but knowing that the time is limited. When I told my husband their story, 
he asked what was keeping him alive, without thinking I croaked out "love". What 
an amazing gift this baby is, just for being alive hundreds of people over 
the world know and think of him.
 
My 
thoughts are aslo with you,
Megan.
 

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lieve 
  HuybrechtsSent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 1:00To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Story of 
  love and warmthHello 
  Rhonda,Lars is still with us. He looks fine, he is growing and very 
  alert. There are no signs that there is something wrong. I go there every day 
  and we chat about a lot of things. Life is going on for the family, but the 
  knowing of what will come is there. We phoned again to the university 
  hospital. The pediatric cardiologist could hardly believe that he was still 
  alive, but didn’t give any hope, it had no reason to do a new echo.Nele 
  came to the birthcentre for the postnatal talkgroup last Thursday. It was a 
  lovely day and we were outside in the garden. For us it is springtime and we 
  have a marvellous month of march with temperatures of 20 degrees, what is 
  exceptional for the time of the year . It was so nice to see how she was 
  surrounded by the other mothers. One by one they came sit near her to talk and 
  to admire Lars. It was really a day out for her.Thanks for all your 
  support and warm thoughts. I will keep you 
  informed.LieveOn 31-03-2003 07:06, "Rhonda" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dearest Leive, You have been 
in my thoughts for the past two days and I am just writing to let you know 
that i am thinking of you and too see how things are 
going. Hope all is well Regards 
 Rhonda ---Original 
Message---From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, 22 March 
2003 08:52:37 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Story 
of love and warmth Dear friends,Thank you all for your 
replys, I read them all carefully and I really feelsupported by 
them.Lynn, my heart is with you and the family of the stillborn 
baby. During thepregnancy I had a lot of conversations with Nele and she 
felt verysupported and comforted when I told her that I believe that no 
life iswithout purpose, how long of how short it will take. Nobody knows 
whatlessons we have to learn, but maybe for those little baby's that are 
sowelcome but do not have much time, the feeling of being welcome is the 
onlything they have to learn.Julie, you spoke af a sad pathway, 
I don't feel it that way. When you cansee what happens in these family, 
the changings of the peoples thinkingabout quality of live and the 
gratefullness of every minute they havetogether, I feel not sad at the 
end. There are moments of tears but thegreat picture is 
happiness.Pinky, I gave your text 'the child God lent' to the 
parents and they weretouched by it. They give him to read to every 
visitor. It explains very goodwhat they (and I) feel, even they are not 
very religieus.Debby, I think the memories of your own child come 
very clear again whenreading all those postings. It's so good you can 
now celebrate the being ofyour son in stead of grieving the 
loss.Thanks Tina, Janet, Sally, Sandy, Marilyn, Denise, Margie, 
Mary, Aviva,Megan and Robin, also for your warm replys full of support 
and usefulladvice.Rhonda, I kept you last. Thank you so much for 
the poem you wrote. I gave itto the parents and they were very touched 
and they let it read to everybodythat comes near. I truly hope that the 
lovecircle that Lars created will becounterweight against all the 
violence of the war.I plan to write his story for the Flamish journal 
for midwifes. I would askyou if I can use your poem to illustrate my 
story?Meanwhile, Lars is happy and triving. He already passed 
his birthweight. Theparents went walking to the cityhall, with Lars in a 
sleng to make his birthofficial. They are really greatfull for the 
moments they have, every day isa milestone. Some reactions of people 
are not so nice to the parents. There are stillpeople (thos who didn't 
see Lars) that wonder if an abortion wasn't been abetter option. But 
Nele and Frederik are laughing with those reactions, theyknow they made 
the right decision.For me, the week was hard, but also very rich. So 
many people are around usto support. The mothers of the birthcentre are 
very involved. They arevisiting Nele and they call me to ask how I am. 
It's a real circle I dreamtof when I started the birthcentre. The 
midwife that cares and the mothersthat care for the midwife, it creats a 
balance for everybody. When

[ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA, evening getogether

[Larry & Megan]

Sorry for the late notice, but Birth Matters is having a birth info
gathering tonight (Thurs 27th) at Eastwood Community Centre, 95 Glen Osmond
Rd, Eastwood. 7 pm - 9.30 pm . We are around the back of the building,
charge of $2/person for room hire.

Everyone is welcome, we will probably have an open discussion, guided by the
groups questions and thoughts.

hope to see you there,
Megan.

PS you can ring me on 8296 1883 for further info.


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Hep B for newborns, att Sandra

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Sandra,
Make you own minds up about the payments, but my husband just commented on
how can you expect an unbiased opinion in this case. I always thought it
would be good if this payment was collected and given to a children's
charity.

cheers
Megan.



VISA's reply to US study,

Probably - I'll have a dig - here's the reference from my handy little
'Investigate Before You Vaccinate' booklet! - Linder N., et al, Unexplained
fever in neonates may be associated with Hepatitis B vaccine, Arch Dis Child
Fetal Neonatal Ed, Nov 1999;81:F206-207 - I'd have a copy somewhere...but
you could get it from Medscape. Thanks for the go-ahead - it is important
news!
Kathy S

also a response from Dr Baratozy regarding incentive payments, etc.


> Hi Kathy.  As fas as the Hep B goes, as far as I know, it's all or
nothing. You have to
> have all vaccines to be elegible for payment. Missing out just one makes
you
> "incomplete" therefore in-elegible. So therefore I believe you have to
> become a conscientious objector to just miss out on 1 vaccine and still
get
> your money.
> Doctors get their payment based on each individual vaccine given. In the
end
> they also get a vaccine bonus based on percent fully immunised in the
> practice. That is the PIP (Practice Incentive Programme)payment.
> I hope that answers your query.
>
> Peter






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Eales
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B for newborns, att Sandra


Megan
I am happy for them to reprint my email and thanks for the other info.
I would like to know of the US study you mentioned that had reported the
same experience.
Sandra

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[ozmidwifery] Hep B for newborns, att Sandra

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Sandra,
VISA (Vaccination Information South Australia), have asked if they can
reprint your email dated 11/03/03 on Hep B in their newsletter, i had passed
it on to them. I also asked your Questions re payments etc, reply follows.

To answer your questions - as HepB is part of the schedule refusal of just
that component would mean that requirements aren't met and you would have to
go through the C.O. Form process to claim Maternity Immunisation Allowance
and you also need proof of immunisation according to the schedule for child
care benefit. As for doctor bonuses I'm not sure - at birth it is through
the hospital and when the subsequent doses are given by the doc HepB is
attached to Hib or DPT anyway. Omitting the HepB and having the others will
mean that vaccines are being given anyway so docs would get payment bonuses.
I'll check with Dr Baratosy.
There is a study from the US reporting the same experience in the hospitals
there and I know that since the re-introduction of HepB there they are very
reluctant to give it.

they can be contacted on email, Kathy Scarborough [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excellent support and information provided.

cheers
Megan

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[ozmidwifery] closure of neonatal intensive care unit

[Larry & Megan]

Last week I posted info regarding a rally to protest over the closure of one
of Adelaides neonatal intensive care units, well in the afternoon the
minister announced that the unit was to remain open. A win for women,
children and families.  Nice to know that when the people speak, we are
listened to.(for a change)

Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine at Birth

[Larry & Megan]

Dear 
Sandra,
I 
remembered when you first raised this, congratulations and a big thankyou for 
following it through. 
With 
your permission I would like to pass on your inspiring e-mail to Adelaides 
vaccination support group, let me know if you agree, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
best 
of luck with it
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sandra J. 
  EalesSent: Monday, 10 March 2003 1:01To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B Vaccine 
  at Birth
  I have previously expressed concerns related to 
  the administration of Hep B Vaccine (HBV) to all babes at birth ie that the 
  midwives in my unit had become aware of marked increase in numbers of 
  irritable babes and many more with breastfeeding difficulties in the first few 
  days, since May 2000 when the new schedule was introduced.
  Since then we have done some investigation 
  and as we became convinced of the connection we have been much more 
  conscientious about gaining "informed consent" prior to administration of 
  birth dose of Hep B ie "full disclosure of risks/benefits without coercion or 
  fraud".  As a result, parents are not 
  consenting and the rate of uptake of the birth dose in our unit has 
  dropped off dramatically.  (It is generally much nicer to come to 
  work these days too with fewer screaming babies, distraught mothers and 
  frantic fathers!)
  We (the midwives) are now copping flak 
  because we show up very large on the radar in the 'Early Warning System' of 
  the authorities pushing the universal immunisation issue.  The 
  pressure to conform has come from Public Health Unit, District Manager, 
  Medical Superintendent as well as letters of complaint from a local GP (who 
  may be fearful that he will lose his incentive payments if the children who 
  return to hispractice have missedthe birth dose!).  We have been told 
  that we must "actively encourage" our clients to accept the vaccination..that 
  "it is frequently reported that the unit works well because of the high degree 
  of trust and respect. Herein lies the opportunity to disseminate the positive 
  effect of early Hepatitis vaccination"  We have been told that we must 
  "act in line with the Code of Conduct" to actively promote this 
  policy.
   
  I do believe this is a terribly important ethical 
  issue and will not persuade my clients to act against there best interests and 
  instincts. 
  We use the materials and information provided by 
  Qld Health and "immunise Australia" when we discuss the issue with the 
  parents.It is acknowledged in the "Understanding infant hepatitis 
  B immunisation" pamphlet put out by the "immunise Australia Program" that 
  among the common side effects are mild fever, joint pain, irritability and 
  baby going "off its food for a short time". - discuss how this might affect 
  their newborn in the first few days of life.
  Whilst these common and perhaps transient side effects may be of little 
  concern in an older child they are liable to be of much greater significance 
  in a newborn child who is already facing many challenges at this deeply 
  important point in its life.  Challenges to the newborn (physiological 
  and iatrogenic pathology)
  
adaptation to extrauterine life – profound physical changes in all 
systems respiratory, circulatory, neurological, sensory, 
digestive/alimentary 
organisation of suck to enable feed 
overcome effects of pharmacological substances used in labour, birth an 
postnatally 
recovery from the traumatic effect of birth eg head moulding and other 
birth injury
  We also give them the Qld Health Hep B Information which has this 
  advice "give extra fluids e.g more breast feeds or water"  - we discuss 
  the implication of this at initiation of breastfeeding.
  We also discuss the risk factors for contracting the disease both in 
  infancy and throught the lifespan.  
  All women are screened for HBsAg antenatally so that babes of 
  HB positive mothers can receive both Immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth. 
  This has been shown to be extremely effective in managing the risk of vertical 
  (mother to baby) transmission
  The risk factors (for contracting the disease) are IV drug use, unsafe 
  sexual practices and certain ethnic groups have high endemnicity so may have a 
  slightly elevated risk of transmission (e.g aboriginal, TSI, particular asian 
  groups for whom we have had an effectective 3 dose targetted program for many 
  years). Certain occupational groups, eg health workers, have a higher than 
  average risk and are generally vaccinated witha 3 dose progam.
  World Health Organisation classifies Australia as a "low" risk for Hep B 
  with low endemnicity of <2%, transmission rates in infancy are "rare" and 
  "infrequent" in childhood. Qld Health Notifiable Diseases Annual Report 1997 
  -2001 did not count any in the age group of < 13 years. The majority

[ozmidwifery] RALLY -Neonatal intensive care closure

[Larry & Megan]

Hi all,
you may be aware that the Flinders Medical Centre's (FMC) neonatal intensive
care centre is to be closed and all bubs are to be cared for at Woman's and
Childrens Hospital.

Women who are concerened about the impact of this have organised a rally for
Wed 12th March (tomorrow)in the front foyer of the FMC, Flinders Drive, at
10 am for a 10.30 start. As many people as possible present will be good to
let them know how important this is to Adelaide's families. The media and
MP's have been invited.

There are two petitions going around, one is to be presented to the House of
Assembly in the near future, tomorrow is a good opurtunity to get your name
down.

Apart from the obvious, there are many good reasons not to support this
closure, separation of mother and baby, long distance to travel for those in
the South, no helicopter pad at W&CH ( longer transfer time), Obstetricians
will have their rooms cetrally located in the city (more travel for South),
the list goes on.

Hoping to see you there,

Megan Resch.
Can you please pass this info on to those who may be interested.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] night nappies and night dreams

[Larry & Megan]

A tad 
more input on this one,
 
my 4 
1/2 year old son wets at night, still in napies, not worried. He can have a dry 
night, pleased with himself  when he does, but if its wet he says 
he'll try next time. No pressure, he takes a water to bed, I'd rather he was wet 
than dehydrated. He sweats an awful lot at night, so he really needs the water 
intake. Methinks that night nappies is another of those unrealistic expectations 
we have on our kids just to please other parents.
 
The 
dreaming of going to the toilet is quite normal and in my dream book it says 
that it is a cleansing process, so is in fact very healthy for you. I remember 
the first time I managed to go to the toilet in my dream and not wet in 
real life, I was so excited. 
Have 
also occaisionally dreamed of having my period, very poweful, and also a 
cleansing process. 
All of 
it probably very healthy for our body and soul
 
Cheers
Megan

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Graham & 
  HelenSent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 10:49To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] night 
  nappies
  
  
  Hi everyone
   
  Thank you for all your stories and advice.  
  It is reassuring to hear he is pretty normal really.  It actually has 
  prompted me to think about my own childhood.  I can distinctly remember 
  the "dream" too and remember feeling ashamed when I woke up to know I had 
  wet the bed.  So I must have been pretty old .. can't remember 
  mum thinking I had a problem tho.  Will have to ask her about that 
  one I think.  
   
  I will let you know how it goes.
   
  Cheers
  Helen Cahill
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Robyn, 
South Australia has an excellent vaccination support group called VISA, you
can e-mail them on  [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I'm sure that they can provide
you with the info you need.

Megan Resch

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:15
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information
> 
> Does anyone have a collection of websites that give the pro's and con's of
> Vaccination.  I do have some but I want to give women a good list of
> valuable references so they can be better informed.  Would appreciate any
> information you may have.
> 
> Robyn 
> 
> Robyn Thompson
> 
> Melbourne Midwifery
> Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
> Independent Midwifery Practice
> 
> Midwife Practitioner
> * Homebirth  
> * Lactation
> * Maternal & Child Health
> 
> www.melbmidwifery.com.au
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth through water & ACMI SA study day

[Larry & Megan]

I've used water in my three labours and birthed two babies into water(at
home). During my ante natal time I discussed "catching" the baby a number of
times with my midwife. When birthing with love and trust as with my 2nd
baby(first homebirth), it came naturual to put my hands down and feel my
baby's head as it came out and touching the bub's hair floating in the
water. When the head was out and I was waiting for the last contraction to
birth the baby, I was thinking of the responsibility I had in being in
control of finishing the birth. I was scared, but so excited that only I was
going to know when the baby would come out, no coaching to push. The water
is really useful in supporting the weight of the baby as it comes out,
giving the mum time to put her hands around the babies body and bring it up
to her. I think water birth gives mum the chance to see the baby at the same
time as everybody else, unless someone is in the pool with goggles on.
I don't think the education needs to be much more than a relaxed discussion,
letting mum know it's there for her to do if she wants to and perhaps a
supportive reminder at the time of the birth.

Whilst on water birth, I am the consumer voice at SA's water birth study day
on Fri 28th Feb. Does anyone have any thoughts on what they see as being
important in sharing about using water during birth? I can be e-mailed on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if people want to comment.

Thanks
Megan.

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Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 9:24
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> A new midwife to our unit from England said our baths would not be
suitable
> because of back care for the midwife! My response was that from what I've
read
> the baby is birthed by the mum, hands off by the midwife, so why should
there
> be a  problem!!

how many women are willing to touch their baby during the process of birth
and immediately at the moment of birthing???

i can see that with much pre education this may be possible. However if it
is to happen the way you idealistically suggest then perhaps one criteria
for  in  water birthing will need to be that  women are fully educated
willing and cooperative in  handling her baby  at the moment of birth.

we do have to be careful in the asumptions we make about how women may feel
and be able to respond at the various stages of birthing.

Ruth


-
Ruth Cantrill
Griffith University
NATHAN QLD   4111

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war

[Larry & Megan]

Can any one tell me what the best way will be to send back my "How to Spot a
Terrorist" brochure? There isn't a return postal address and don't want to
waste the oppurtunity and have Aus Post just bin it.
Any suggestions welcome,
thanks
Megan.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] J K Rowling

[Larry & Megan]

Had a read of the article and I think that "She has splashed out £1800 to
hire independent midwife Deborah Purdue, one of the few experts who advocate
the practice." is money well spent, how many pounds is $5000 that the Ob
charges here(as posted last week). What exactly does the last comment mean,
these reporters need some education.

Megan


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Subject: [ozmidwifery] J K Rowling


Wooohooo!
>From the UK midwives list...
J K Rowling is planning to have a homebirth next month with an independent
midwife in the UK.
http://www.sundayherald.com/31121
I wonder if it will get as much publicity as Claudia's & Posh's C/S births?
Andrea

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[ozmidwifery] Birth Matters SA coffee morning

[Larry & Megan]

Hi everyone,

just sending you the dates for our gatherings for 2003, topics are not
decided. We have found that people are happy to just share and discuss, as
is shown by how long it takes to do a round. If you particularly want a
subject matter or a guest speaker then suggest away and it can be organised.
Likewise if any are intersted in looking after this aspect of Birth Matters
then your assitance is more than welcome, just let me know. We are
introducing evening sessions this year, accommodating those who are working
during the day, but everyone is welcome as always. Summer edition of our
newsletter is not finished so please note the first coffee morning is on
Thursday 13th Feb, 10am-12. Not everyone is on e-mail so please pass this on
to those you know who would be interested but aren't on the internet.
Thanks for your support and I look forward to catching up with everyone in
2003,

Megan Resch.


Morning 10am – noon Evening 7pm – 9.30pm

February 13th   March 27th

April 10th  May 22nd

June 12th   July 24th

August 14th September 25th

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December 11th

















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RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Story

[Larry & Megan]

In Adelaide it is less expensive to birth with a private midwife than our
"top" obs, costing parents upwards of $1,500-$2000 easily plus the expensive
necessary "special" ultrasound they recommend and any other costs involved.
Not to mention the pedeatrician's fees.
Our midwives fees were the best money we ever spent.
Megan

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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Story


Did you see how much some of them are paying their ob's?  This is out of
pocket that they can't claim back from their private health insurance.  Some
of them are having to pay a $1,000 fee (non claimable) on top of their
consultations and birth fee.  I'd much rather pay that to a midwife anyday!

That is a really depressing website to visit!

Jayne



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[ozmidwifery] non midwifery, but very important

[Larry & Megan]

Hi all,
I know this is supposed to be for midwifery but I have to recommend you all
try to go and see " Bowling for Columbine", a documentary movie by Michael
Moore that will change the way you think. It is primarily about gun laws in
America and the impact of guns on the country. It explores at great depth
the attitudes and history to why they have over 10,000 gun related deaths a
year. Australia has just over 60.
This is a film about human rights and is a must. You walk out of the cinema
numb, and have also managed to have a laugh and a cry. In Adelaide it is
showing at the Palace Nova, its not a mainstream film so look for it in your
'arty type' cinemas.

Thanks for reading
Megan Resch.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings

[Larry & Megan]

Congratulations, sounds just beautiful.
Best wishes
Megan.

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Sent: Saturday, 4 January 2003 5:43
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings



Glad to hear of the safe arrival.

Well, after two boys we have a girl (still in shock) and had a great
hospital birth, one of the few hearing some people's stories.  Saw my doc on
Thurs, had a whinge and whine, then started niggling on early Fri morning.
Stayed at home until midday, ruptured membranes and the pain level went up a
few notches.  Arrived at hospital by 1230, settled into my routine (when you
work there, you know where to find things!!) of arranging pillows, beanbag,
the nitrous etc.  5cm on arrival - very happy.  Warned the midwives that
once I start pushing the baby will arrive NOW, went into my own little
dreamworld (thanks to analgesia) and had a 5 min second stage, birthed an
8lb + baby at 3:20pm, intact, and the midwife was the accoucher, doc turned
up to do the congrats bit with head on view!!

Came home less than 24 hours later, and the girls at work I'm sure think I
must be manic - just excited - can't sleep at work, keep hearing all the
buzzers.  Sorry we are a bit disjointed, just happy.
Kate is sleeping so I'm enjoying my boys.

Cheryl


>From: Jan Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: Mary Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings
>Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 23:34:44 +1100
>
>Hi Cheryl
>
>Yes, I had my New Year baby, but closer to midnight on New Year's Day
>rather
>than first thing in the morning ...
>Anna Cassandra (4700g and 42 and a half weeks by dates) arrived into the
>arms of her mother, cheered on by the whole support team, Father and
>brothers, Grandma and good friend and me.
>
>Almost a twenty four hour labour, long for a third, but I think a low-lying
>anterior placenta had a lot to do with the slow start, also the membranes
>remained intact right until the end (as had her mother's when she was born,
>so her mother told me).
>
>My client did lots of walking in the fresh air during the morning, used
>Mary
>Murphy's magic Western Australian pain cream and back massage (thanks Mary)
>and lots of supportive soothing words in the afternoon. She graduated to
>the
>wonderful water in the pool in the late evening, but STOOD UP TO GIVE BIRTH
>(you'd like that Jackie, but I forgot to wear my "Get up and Give Birth
>T-shirt)
>
>Oh, well, there's always next year for some great homebirth publicity.
>Right now I'm on a high and preparing for the next two births.
>
>Cheryl, I'll be crossing my fingers that you give birth a few seconds into
>Australia Day and your baby becomes entrenched in Australian history as the
>first Australia Day baby to be born!
>
>I'll be watching the papers and this list.
>Thanks for all the interest and support
>
>Jan
>
>
>On 1/1/03 8:27 AM, "Cheryl LHK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Happy New Year to all.
> >
> > Wonder if Jan got her Jan 1 baby??
> >
> > Mind you, I was wondering if I was going to go into labour last night -
> > would have been nice, will probably have to wait until Australia Day
>though
> > ??  Drats.
> >
> > Hope those that worked had a great night.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
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[ozmidwifery] OneVoiceforPeace

[Larry & Megan]

If you are concerned about Australia's proposed involvement in an unlawful
war, join me in making a Resolution for Peace for 2003. If you'd like to add
your voice, visit www.onevoiceforpeace,org.

Not sure if you agree or not, but have a look and make up your own mind,
Thanks
Megan.

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[ozmidwifery] New years baby

[Larry & Megan]

Was watching the fireworks on ch 9 at midnight, afterwards they went to a
reporter in Sydney, with a dad in theatre scrubs holding his brand new baby
wrapped in a foil blanket. Bubs was born by caesarean at 12.01am.
Fancy that!

Megan.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] support needed

[Larry & Megan]

Thanks to all who have responded.
The woman is a friend of a friend and I'll be passing all the info on.
Luckily the friend of mine is well informed and has made well researched
choices when it came to her own pregnancy, so with your wonderful
suggestions and support she should be able to act. Apparently money is of
concern, so might rule out some options.
Let you know what happens later,

thanks
Megan.



Dear Megan

Doula Express is based in the inner city area I think ... However, if this
woman is going to pay a doula for some continuity of care, why not consider
paying her own midwife and plan to have her baby on her own turf?

To adequately deal with her problem this woman should voice her concerns
about lack of continuity of midwifery care with the manager of the Birth
Centre and see what can be done about changing the status quo. If she gets
nowhere with this tactic, next approach the clinical services manager, Val
Smith who is trying to some more choices for women introduced into RPA.

It would not be impossible for one of the birth centre midwives to take this
woman on as their personal "case" and agree to be on call for her when she
comes into labour. She will never know what she can achieve unless she talks
about her needs with the people who are caring for her.

I suggest you also tell this woman about the Maternity Coalition and get her
to access their website. The MC NMAP makes a great evidence-based document
when trying to achieve a change in midwifery care.

This woman should place the NMAP document in front of the Birth Centre
manager while making her plea for the BC midwives to consider changing their
model of care. The more women who matter "NMAP" to hospital managers the
sooner they will have the choice of having continuity of care from a
midwife.

I wish her good luck

Jan Robinson



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RE: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Christmas Baby



Hi 
Jan, 
thats 
a great birth story, or three. I was "wowing" when reading the woman sipping her 
tea and then her babies head was born, so beautiful. 
We 
women are just so damm clever.
 
Best 
wishes for 2003 to everyone,
Megan.

[ozmidwifery] support needed

[Larry & Megan]

A woman in the inner west of Sydney is looking for some support. She is 35
weeks pregnant, first baby, and is currently booked in at the
R.P.A.(formerly King George V), in the midwifery programme, to birth in the
birth centre.
However she is not feeling like there has been muchh continuity and has not
felt comfortable with many of the midwives she has met. She would like to
talk this trough with a sympathetic midwife on the programme but doesn't
know who to contact and is fearful of having her concerns dismissed.
Any suggestions?
Any doulas in this area that are available, it might be a way of getting
some continuity for her.

Thanks in advance
Megan.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: Good websites to visit

[Larry & Megan]

Hi 
Lynne
I'm 
not able to access this site, keeps telling me its unavailable, any 
ideas?
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  lyncotteeSent: Monday, 23 December 2002 2:28To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: Good 
  websites to visit
  
  Hi 
  Julie,
  www.starlightangels.com is my 
  website. It’s a nanny agency specializing in overnight care of infants and is 
  based in Melbourne.
  Regards,
  Lyn 
  Cottee
   
   

[ozmidwifery] Merry Christmas

[Larry & Megan]

Wishing all on the list a wonderful festive season, whatever it is that you
do.
Here's to a new year that brings much happiness to women and families in
their time of bringing new life to this world. Maybe we could declare it
"The year of the Midwife" (unofficially of course).
I'll drink to that.
Best Wishes
Megan.


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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: mothers rights in public hospital

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Message



Well 
said Caroline.
I 
think we all want whats best for women in birth, but of course we have different 
ideas of what that is. 
Cas, 
you sound like you have done oodles of preparation, and no doubt there will be 
something in hindsight that you wished you knew. If you feel truly informed and 
safe with your choices then that is the path you will take. Just remember to 
take lots of time to enjoy your baby inside of you, the pregnancy is also very 
special and we can get lost in the birth at the pregnancies expense. I can 
suggest joining a pregnancy yoga class, surround yourself with like minded 
people, have a belly cast done, occasional massage, I always fancied having my 
pregnant tummy done with body art and then photographed,there is lots you can do 
to make yourself feel good. 
 
My 
very best wishes to you and you family in your birth 
journey.
Megan

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carolyn 
  DonagheySent: Monday, 16 December 2002 11:00To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  mothers rights in public hospitalHi CarolineHaving 
  done exactly what you are preparing to do now, some 3 years ago, I can share 
  some of my experience.  You can always read my birth story on the CARES 
  SA website www.cares-sa.org.au .(our new address 
  and domain name woo hoo!).At 30 weeks, I changed obstetricians to 
  someone supportive of my need for a non-interventionist birth and employed the 
  services of a brilliant independent midwife.  I cleared it with the mids 
  at the hospital, who all were very supportive on face value. I had a great 
  labour in hospital, basically they were so short staffed that we were left 
  alone most of the time.  They knew I didn't need 
  them.  My biggest thing was to labour at home as long as 
  possible, the best protection against any type of intervention in my book. 
   At 8 cms (my first VE) I really needed to leave home and go to hospital. 
   My midwife and I had discussed this previously, and or some reason that 
  I did not understand I really needed to be in hospital to have this baby. 
   Fears existed that I didn't and still dont fully understand, but I know 
  they came from my upbringing largely.  We got to hospital and my 
  membranes ruptured and I went back to 5cms dilation.  I laboured on all 
  fours in the shower for the entire labour, my obstetrician had to get down on 
  the floor in the shower to move and anterior lip that had formed on my cervix 
  - probably due to position, but a big posterior baby meant I couldn't get 
  comfortable in any other position. I only had intermittent doppler monitoring 
  and no IV - it just wasn't necessary.   I had no interventions until the 
  last moment after pushing for 1.5 hours, he was still posterior.  After 
  some negotiation, which was always done through my midwife (fully recommend 
  this way), we decided to agree to a ventouse rotation.  He rotated and 
  shot out so quickly it was incredible, and although I was in stirrups it was a 
  small compromise after 20 hours of labour.  It was not ideal, and I know 
  this probably needn't have happened, however, I am also realistic about the 
  private hospital system.  Theatre staff are not always available, 
  pressures were placed on my ob to decide whether the theatre staff needed to 
  stay or go home at 1am in the morning.  No excuse, but just a 
  reality.The greatest thing about the labour was my midwife, she shone 
  like a star for both my husband and myself.  Yes, how your partner feels 
  is vitally important to most women.  We need them there, emotionally and 
  physically - they're not much good at understanding birth etc but we love them 
  and need them.  I think a fathers fears must be considered and if there 
  is enough time you can work through them.  For me, it is the next birth 
  that I am able to address his fears and my own fears - as I still have plenty. 
   A vbac woman, usually has heaps of doubts and fears that a women who has 
  had a vaginal birth previously can not imagine.  It is like a cauldron of 
  conflicting emotions and rational thoughts, usually after a negative first 
  birth experience emotions can get the better of you.  What is 
  important for any woman is that she births in an environment she feels safe 
  and secure in, surround by people she trusts.  Trust is the key! 
   Make sure you can trust this ob, sounds like you can.  Just let him 
  know that you will only want to see him if there is a truly medically 
  indicated need, something your midwife will know way in advance anyway. We are 
  all aware of the complete failure of the private hospital system to provide 
  women with safe, non-interventionist births in a midwifery model - lets pray 
  for the day that will come.  However, it is possible to gather a team of 
  health care providers who you can trust and who will respect your wishes for 
  birth, even in

[ozmidwifery] FW: US man trying to get health insuranvce to pay for breastmilk

[Larry & Megan]

I know we discussed this earlier in the year, but do we have anything like
this in Australia?
Megan.


http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/5483588p-6467052c.html


A father's quest

After his wife's death, he seeks insurance coverage for breast milk

By Dorsey Griffith -- Bee Medical Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PST Friday, December 6, 2002
NEVADA CITY -- Wesley Forslund-Mooers is a sturdy 6-month-old with rosy
cheeks and lively blue eyes. He scoots. He rolls. He coos. And he offers his
toothless smile to anyone who catches his eye.

His robust health, says his dad, is due in large measure to breast milk. He
believes the milk not only sustains Wesley, but arms him against any number
of maladies he may face down the road.

But because Wesley's breast milk does not come from his own mother, it is
also the source of a brewing battle between Wesley's father and his health
insurance company, Blue Cross of California.

The battle began shortly after Wesley's mother, Sarah Forslund, died of a
massive stroke. Her death came at age 31, just three days after Wesley's
birth.

The Nevada City couple long had planned to breast-feed their first baby,
knowing it decreases risks for many infections and diseases, possibly
including diabetes, which runs in the Mooers family.

And Tom Mooers was committed to following through, even after his wife's
death.

"Wes misses so much with the loss of his mother," said Mooers, a soft-spoken
33-year-old with his son's blue eyes and blond hair. "I try to make up for
it in every way I can. This is one of those ways."

In their serene and rustic home amid tall pines and cedars just outside
Nevada City, Mooers teases Wesley with a tickle of the bottle's nipple on
his chin. Wesley drinks eagerly, his eyes fixed on his father and his hand
grasping his dad's shirt.

After Sarah's death, Mooers found a reliable source of safe, donated breast
milk at a special bank in San Jose. He asked Wesley's pediatrician to write
a prescription for it, and asked Blue Cross to reimburse him for the cost:
$3 an ounce, or about $90 a day, for a total so far of $15,138.

So far, Blue Cross has refused, leaving Mooers to cover the costs on his
own.

Blue Cross said no on the grounds that breast milk is a food, not covered
except for the treatment of PKU, an inherited defect that causes mental
retardation.

In a letter listing 31 studies on the health advantages of breast milk,
Mooers appealed the decision. Again, he was denied.

"They already have determined that Wesley is not ill, and he doesn't have
PKU, so we have to stick to what's in the contract," Blue Cross spokeswoman
Lisa Mee-Stephenson told The Bee.

Mooers filed a complaint with the state Department of Managed Care, which
can force health plans to reverse denials of coverage. The state, which will
put the issue before a panel of doctors, has not reached a decision on the
case.

In the meantime, Mooers continues to receive a big red cooler full of breast
milk every 10 days. The tiny glass bottles line the shelves of his freezer,
individually thawed and warmed for Wesley's feedings. Mooers considers the
liquid a precious substance, and not an ounce is wasted.

"Getting milk from other people is a far cry from Sarah nursing him," he
said. "But it's still an incredible resource, and a lot better than if I had
to rely on formula."

Sarah and Tom met in 1992 as members of Green Corps, a field school for
young environmental activists. Although Tom had a crush on Sarah, they
remained just friends in the years that followed, each gaining experience in
jobs that promoted their mutual values: land conservation and healthy
communities.

They became romantically involved during a Green Corps reunion in 1996, then
launched a long-distance love affair. Sarah left Vermont in 1998 to join Tom
in California, and two years later, they were married in a mountain
ceremony. Tom now runs a small environmental group called Sierra Watch;
Sarah served as Green Corps' associate director.

"We were so close," Mooers said. "It was hard to know where one of us left
off and the other started. So much of me was her, and so much of her was
me."

Sarah loved planning for parenthood. Except for a period of high blood
pressure in the month before Wesley's birth, she was healthy throughout the
pregnancy, even snowshoeing with her husband last February.

The couple had hoped for a natural childbirth. But during a long and
difficult labor two weeks after the baby was due, they agreed to a Caesarean
section at Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital. Early the morning of June 13,
Sarah delivered a healthy, 9-pound boy.

"We were so happy," Mooers said of their brief time as a threesome. "It was
the greatest three days. We'd eat dinner every night and give thanks. We
spent the time taking care of Wes, holding Wes, watching each other hold
Wes."

Shortly before Sarah and Wes were to be released from the hospital, Mooers
drove home to shower and change clothes, feed their dog and pick up a pint
of

[ozmidwifery] Birth Matters coffee morning

[Larry & Megan]

Just letting the Adelaide people know that Birth Matters is having its last
coffee morning for 2002 this Thursday 12th Dec, 10am-12 noon, Eastwood Comm
Centre(in the back room), Glen Osmond Rd, Eastwood. No topic, just having a
general chat about birth, unless someone wants to talk about something
specific.
Everyone welcome and a great playground for the kids,
Megan.

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[ozmidwifery] RE:

[Larry & Megan]

Congratulations to the family and those supporting the birth, 
yippee!
Megan.

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 
  2:55To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  To all mws and consumers I have just witnessed a 
  complete hands off breech birth baby girl born up to the nipple line in caul 
  clear liquor intact perineum great apgars and believe it or not in one of our 
  public hospitals in melbourne .in hosp all up 6 hrs and home the power of 
  women jan MIPP

RE: [ozmidwifery] Saturday's Hearing

[Larry & Megan]

Hi 
Aviva,
I 
missed the first 20 mins(putting children to bed), but thoroughly enjoyed what I 
heard. I had some thoughts on your experiences and if you want to hear them I'll 
email you privately. let me know.
 
Congratulations
Megan.
 

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aviva 
  Sheb'aSent: Thursday, 5 December 2002 2:29To: 
  "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@mail.chariot.net.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] 
  Saturday's Hearing
  
  Hi, All,
   
  If you're not doing pre-Chrissy stuff on Saturday night and want to hear 
  my radio 'docudrama' on ABC Radio National, it's on the Night Play program, 
  8:30 p.m., goes for almost an hour. 
   
  Soft of Hearing is about my experiences as a seventeen year-old 
  Jewish/Australian Flamenco and Jazz dancer entertaining the troops through 
  South Vietnam, March to June, 1970. It also goes into why I went, my godawful 
  'homecoming' and the aftermath pretty well up to the present. Has 
  some great sound effects as the producer, Mike Ladd, went 
  bananas...couldn't resist the idea of mingling flamenco and machine guns with 
  sewing machines. I love it! (This is the one that received a Special Mention 
  in the Prix Italia as the ABC's Original Drama entry, so I'm not the only one 
  who loves it.)
   
  Whatever you do Saturday night, I hope you enjoy it!
   
  Best wishes to all of you,
   
  Aviva
   
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: [awhn-list] Fw: [AustHumanRightsNews] FW: pads for freedom

[Larry & Megan]

Whilst 
I am appalled at this treatment, do we need to confirm that it is true? Have the 
detention centres been given the chance to improve how women are accessing 
toiletries? Hubby suggested that Greenpeace go through appropriate channels 
first and when that fails they pull ot the big guns, like sending pads to 
ministers etc. 
I'll phone Sandra Kanck, (very woman friendly Democrat 
in Adelaide) and see what she can do to help these women 
out. 
Besides very un-environmental to waist all those 
pads.
 
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denise 
  HyndSent: Thursday, 5 December 2002 9:15To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 
  [awhn-list] Fw: [AustHumanRightsNews] FW: pads for 
freedom
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Helen 
  Keleher 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:19 PM
  Subject: [awhn-list] Fw: [AustHumanRightsNews] FW: pads for 
  freedom
  For your information and response as you see 
  fit!RegardsHelen
  Original Message-From: Wood, kathy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Wednesday, 4 December 2002 7:30 AMTo: Sarah WoodCc: 
Sammy RingerSubject: pads for freedomI got very 
upset yesterday when I learned that women in the detention centres when they 
get their period are forced to queue to fill in a requisition form for 
sanitary pads and then wait to be issued  with a small number , 
invariably by a man. I was so appalled that the Australian government is 
using this sort of psychological and cultural humiliation to degrade women 
in this day and age. I felt that I had to do something.  a 
quick think and then I decided that if women all around Australia sent their 
local federal politicians and senators a sanitary pad in the mail and asked 
them to please see that  it is forwarded to a woman in detention , 
thousands of pads might get the message through that the women of Australia 
want all women and girls treated with absolute dignity, the same sort 
of  basic human dignity that we would expect.  This is a 
women's issue. please consider what this must be like for these women and 
resolve to do something about it now. so how do we do 
this: choose a slim sanitary pad, write a quick note to the 
politician asking them to ensure that a woman in detention receives your pad 
( which you can signlike those little packets of seeds that we send to 
Somalia) pop the pad and note into a business size envelope and mail it off 
to your politician of choice. I think that this is an easy and inexpensive 
way to get a message across. link to addresses for 
politicians: Senate: http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senators/#contactHouse 
of reps: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/mi-alpha.asp I 
would love to think that you would do this and spread the message. please 
pass this email on to anyone who you think would like to do something to 
give a woman back her human dignity. To unsubscribe 
from this group, send an email 
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use 
of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 
  
  -Helen 
  Keleher (PhD), FRCNAMPH CoordinatorSchool of Health Sciences221 
  Burwood HighwayDeakin UniversityBURWOOD VIC 3125phone (03) 
  9244 6688fax (03) 9244 
  6017email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Convenor, 
  Australian Women's Health 
  Network-- 

  
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prisoners & detainees in Australia in the 21st Century, 2-3 April, 2003, 
Brisbane 

[ozmidwifery] pain or hypnobirth

[Larry & Megan]

Can't resist adding my bit to this.
I've had 1 baby on land and 2 babies in the water and wouldn't birth
anywhere else(by choice). Waterbirth allows the baby to come out with its
weight supported by the water allowing mum time to reach down and bring baby
up to the surface without feeling like she'll drop it. I loved it!
I also would not choose to birth "pain free", yeah it hurts a bit, but what
an experience to feel your own body working towards birthing the baby inside
of you. I was strenghthened by my labours, such power in what the body goes
through.
Must add that excellent midwifery care during pregnancy makes for reassuring
childbirth. No tricks in that.
So Frank,
Does hypnobirthing allow the woman to stay connected to her labour? Saw on
TV where a woman birthed with hypnotherapy (not sure which style) her focus
was on listening to her hypnotherapist, laying in bed hanging off his every
word, and it ended up she needed an assited birth. How would this compare to
hypnobirthing? To me you would still need to know about active birthing etc.

cheers
Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Tongue Tie

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Jo,
I'm not sure on this but I have heard that a speech pathologist can assist
with this and of course a good osteopathic treatment can also be of benefit.
Good luck,
Megan.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo Slamen
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 5:15
To: Midwifery List
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Tongue Tie


Dear List,

Me again.

It was with interest I read the discussion on talipies, and with that in
mind I have come to ask about tongue tie and the necessity, or lack thereof,
to treat.

I really know almost nothing about this condition, except that I think it's
to do with the frenulum under the tongue being short and forward?

My brother and SIL's baby has a tongue tie, and there are differing opinions
as to the severity of it.  Baby is feeding well - mother has sore nipples,
but they are improving, and babe has gained 320 gms since her day 3 weigh,
and today is day 9 - so obviously she's getting the good stuff in plenty.

Apparently the domicilliary nurse noticed the condition, saw babe feeding
and was quite happy, but the MCHN saw her today, and wants to do more, and
she didn't see baby feeding.

Is surgery required if baby is feeding and gaining?

Jo Slamen



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RE: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA SCREENING

[Larry & Megan]

I'm 
not entirely sure on this , but I remember hearing that there is a risk to the 
next baby if  a woman has rubella vaccination after a birth. That is the 
rubella is a live virus and takes time to be passed through the system, if a 
woman was to get pregnant during this period, the effect of the vaccination 
could impact on the health of bubs. For more info I suggest women contemplating 
this vaccination to get in contact with a vaccination information and support 
group in their state. 
A 
girlfriend had never received a vaccination for rubell and when pregnant was 
told to stay away from high risk areas, blah, blah. The doctor at the hospital 
told her she would have to be vaccinated straight after her baby was born 
(before leaving the hospital) and put it in her records. I was a able to give 
her some info on this and she then made an informed choice not to. Her main 
concern was what if she reacted to the vaccination and what would the impact of 
it on her ability to care for her newborn. Being a first time mum is hard enough 
without that in your body. Think of those women trying to breastfeed, what 
effect on the baby, etc.
Another friend has been re-vaccinated after each child 
because she doesn't seroconvert, expecting baby no.4 and in the past 6 years has 
had 2 or 3 rubella vaccinations. Not Good.
 
regards
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kirsten 
  BlackerSent: Wednesday, 4 December 2002 3:01To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RUBELLA 
  SCREENING (OR CALL ME LORETTA)
  Interesting arguement. Which supports rubella 
  screening BEFORE pregnancy so that women can be immunised. The other value of 
  rubella screening is to identify people who aren't immune so they can at least 
  be immunised after pregnancy with the hope that they will be immune in their 
  next pregnancy.
  There is of course a small percentage of the 
  population who won't seroconvert no matter how many times we immunize 
  them.
  Kirsten
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] Answer to Debby State/Fed Health Funding

[Larry & Megan]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Answer to Debby State/Fed Health Funding



Along 
the line of this subject, today I had a phone conversation with a staffer from 
Dept Human Services in SA, about midwifery of course. I had sent a letter having 
a go at them for lack of consumer input, in particular regards to a project to 
be set up using Alternative Birthing Services Unit money. Eventually we got on 
to NMAP and she felt that it would be a very long time before this type of care 
was mainstream because, A: its too expensive to run and B: there isn't the 
midwives to run it. I asked if the cost took into account that this type of care 
had less intervention, less hospital care, less postnatal depression and the 
ongoing costs etc. Reply was yes but, then went on to tell me how expensive it 
is to run the comm midwifery in SA nthn suburbs as the women who use the 
programme have special needs, low income, aboriginal, etc. I pointed out that 
this would not be the case for everyone if NMAP was available for all to 
access.
 What else can we say in response to this type of comments. She says 
she has read the document inside out, blah, blah, blah. What about not having 
enough midwives, what is the response to that. I said that there wasn't enough 
anyway, so whats the difference.
 
Any 
thoughts would be appreciated,
Megan.
 

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justine 
  CainesSent: Tuesday, 3 December 2002 1:14To: OzMid 
  ListSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Answer to Debby State/Fed Health 
  Funding
  Hello Debby and AllAh the state 
federal health divide!  Yes you are right the comment that it is a 
federal issue is pathetic and weak, lacking vision and showing no interest 
in reducing the obscene waste in unnecessary obstetric care! So essentially 
how the states spend their money on health is up to them.  The 
intervening factor has been the PI stuff, which is a federal matter! But if 
community midwifery is funded by the state then the state takes on the PI as 
they would all their employees working in health facilities across the state 
(vicarious liability).The Fed Gov can intervene and ear mark funding 
for a specific purpose through the Australian Health Care Agreements. 
 This is essentially what happened under the Labor Fed Gov when the 
Alternate Birthing Services Program was established.  The Fed Gov 
directed the states to set Alt Birthing programs.  An interesting aside 
is that the ABSP required homebirth to be an option.  In the ACT a 
community midwifery model was set up with experienced ACMI accredited 
midwives.  The Obs came in with the 11th hour power play stating they 
would not treat homebirth transfers (as if they can but naturally they did). 
 Our Chief Minister got scared and would not veto homebirth.  The 
Fed Gov nearly pulled funding due to the program not allowing HB!! what a 
joke.The community program (Due to the skilled midwives, community 
setting etc) had stunning results, either doubly as better or half as bad as 
the Canberra Birth Centre.  But yet again the medicos won out and at 
the end of the funding this NMAP style program was subsumed into the Birth 
Centre, and what we have today is a 49% transfer rate overall (70% primip). 
 WHY, because our midwives aren’t allowed to do what they do best, they 
are forced to work within a medical model based on fear and control, with 
only a flagrant regard for evidence and an overall view (from the Mgmt) as 
women forming the “numbers” for teaching material in our tertiary hospital. 
 When the head of O&G is also the head of the clinical school what 
hope do you have!!So long story, but with the current conservative 
Fed Gov state lobbying certainly is certainly the ticket, and no do not take 
such a pathetic response from Beattie.  Hey get a group together for 
the next community cabinet and blitz them!!In 
solidarityJustine 
Caines

RE: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together

[Larry & Megan]

This makes me think back to a recent posting of the family whose first baby
was born still at home and the baby had a lotus birth. Where the placenta
was left attached to baby, and in this case forever. I see this as a
wonderful gift to a child and perhaps the family you are with may consider
this as an option.

Love to the family and yourself
Megan.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lieve
Huybrechts
Sent: Monday, 2 December 2002 8:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together


Dear friends,

Thanks for your advices and sharing.
The baby is inoperable. The left side of the heart is not there, the aorta
is hihgly underdeveloped, so as soon as the ductus of botalli closes the
baby will go into a coma. Only a transplantation could help and that's
impossible, they only do it on older children. We have pretty good
heartsurgeons in Belgium, lets say that they are much better in pathology,
but forgot a lot about fysiology :-))

I already suggested the mother to write things down. She has a very good
contact with the baby, she can exactly tell how he is laying in her womb. We
listen to the heartbeat together and she can talk about it.
We plan to make foto's at birth and after.
The mothers chooses a homebirth at this moment. It was her decision already
for a healthy child and now she wants to be sure that there are no
interventions to 'save' the baby. In the university hospital they sayd that
if she gives birth there, for sure the baby will get an operation, even when
there is no hope for him. It will be a child of the science.
In the nearby hospital, the gyn is very supportive to her, but in a hospital
so many peaple are involved and she will never know what midwife will be
with her, what gyn, or what pediatrician. Even when she gets all what she
wants, you can never predict that it is not a very busy day with a lot of
births and that she can't stay in peace with her baby and her husband.

I indeed feel it as a great honor and privilige to be with them and I also
see birth and death as 'gateway' experiences. Maybe the baby just needs to
be live in the womb and be born to become complete.

Thanks for your support and I will let you know what happens.
Warm greetings
Lieve











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RE: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Alphia,
would love to offer my experiences of birthing at home to your research.
Email me on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards
Megan Resch

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 1:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] SEEKING RESPONDENTS


Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone out there might have some home birth mothers who
are willing to participate in my research.  I am currently interviewing
women who give birth through the private system, the public/tertiary led
system and the public/midwifery led system.  I feel that the women who seek
out a home birth experience are needed for this study.  I live in the NSW
area, but am able to interview face to face in Melbourne as well.  I also
have a transcriber that allows me to tape conversations over the phone, but
I do realize that not everyone enjoys this form of interaction.  I would
greatly appreciate any assistance with this.  As always I greatly enjoy the
debates that continue on this listserv- very passionate and intelligent
debates- including the most recent one on Sting :-)

Take care everyone
Alphia
Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
PhD. Candidate
School of Sociology and Justice Studies
Bankstown Campus, University of Western Sydney
UWS Locked Bag 1797
South Penrith Distribution Centre
NSW 1797 Australia

Phone: 02 97726628
Fax: 02 97726584

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[ozmidwifery] hospital uniforms

[Larry & Megan]

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

[Larry & Megan]

Comes from trying to find a free carpark on Flinders Drive at FMC at peak
hour for the kids swimming lessons in the hydro-pool there. Normally not to
ananl about the perfect park.

Megan.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo & Dean
Bainbridge
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:02
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)


Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for a
carpark, can't talk much then either

Oh Megan!  Does that mean you are one of 'those' car park seekers who take
the challenge to find the perfect park very seriously!!!
Jo Bainbridge
founding member CARES SA
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918
birth with trust, faith & love...
- Original Message -----
From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)


> We planned on having out two sons present at the birth at home of number
> three, boys were 3 1/2years and just under two. I showed them the video of
> number two being born, water birh at home, we watched it lots and also
some
> other videos our midwife lent us. I told them about the noise I might make
> and about how not to talk when I was concentrating on the baby coming out.
> Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for a
> carpark, can't talk much then either. I told them it might hurt me, but it
> was a special hurt just for helping babies to come out. I told them it had
> to come out between my legs, a special whole that only mummies have, boys
> don't have one. Daddy would be rubbing my back and helping me and the
baby.
> Importantly you need to arrange a person/s for the children, someone they
> trust and they need to support your philosophies of childbirth, you don't
> want their fear coming into your birth. My husband wasn't as keen as I
was,
> but he agreed to take it as it came. I also told them that I might want to
> be on my own and they may have to go for a walk or to grandma's. I
> acknowledged that this could upset them and hence affect my labour, but
> figured I would allow half an hour extra in labour for this to be worked
> through(not scientifically based).Birth can take a while so children will
> probably want other things to do. You have to accept that may not even
like
> to be there at the time, nothing is set in concrete.
> It helps if they are involved with the pregnancy, attending appointments
if
> in hospital or helping the midwife if at home. Kids just love the tools of
a
> midwife, fundal measurements might be a bit out though if they help.
> Some good books are "Having a Baby" by Jenni Overend and also the writer
of
> "Maisie Mouse" series has one about introducing a new sibling etc, (sorry
> don't know the name).
> Lots of talking, my youngest wasn't that interested, but the older boy new
> all about the placenta and unbilical cord, he loved the blood and mess.
> After all my education, baby decided to enter the world in the middle of
the
> night and the boys slept right through it all. We woke the eldest up a
> couple of hours later to help cut the cord. Little one didn't wake til
usual
> time. It was a fast and demanding labour so it was appropriate that the
boys
> weren't there, I believe I wouldn't have coped as well, things happen for
a
> reason.
> My oldest, now 4 1/4 years thinks I should have another baby so as our
> midwife can visit us again and so as he can be awake to see the birth this
> time. I love this, but dad's not to keen. He offered to pay the midwife
just
> to visit, no baby.
>
> So I don't think it matters how old other children are, just prepare them
as
> best you can for the birth and enjoy the time.
>
> Cheers
> Megan.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Sheila Kitzinger in Australia

[Larry & Megan]

Don't fancy Sting much myself , but both Pinky and Sting have pretty groovy
names!
and I'd love to hear what Pinky has to say.
Megan.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of barbara glare
& chris bright
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 6:10
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sheila Kitzinger in Australia


Dear Jo,

Well, we couldn't do Sheila Kitzinger in QLD, but she's speaking in Adelaide
on March 1st..and our own Pinky McKay is on the same program, so a
seminar not to be missed. (better than sting!)

Love, Barb

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [Children Present at Births)

[Larry & Megan]

We planned on having out two sons present at the birth at home of number
three, boys were 3 1/2years and just under two. I showed them the video of
number two being born, water birh at home, we watched it lots and also some
other videos our midwife lent us. I told them about the noise I might make
and about how not to talk when I was concentrating on the baby coming out.
Likened it to having to concentrate when driving the car and looking for a
carpark, can't talk much then either. I told them it might hurt me, but it
was a special hurt just for helping babies to come out. I told them it had
to come out between my legs, a special whole that only mummies have, boys
don't have one. Daddy would be rubbing my back and helping me and the baby.
Importantly you need to arrange a person/s for the children, someone they
trust and they need to support your philosophies of childbirth, you don't
want their fear coming into your birth. My husband wasn't as keen as I was,
but he agreed to take it as it came. I also told them that I might want to
be on my own and they may have to go for a walk or to grandma's. I
acknowledged that this could upset them and hence affect my labour, but
figured I would allow half an hour extra in labour for this to be worked
through(not scientifically based).Birth can take a while so children will
probably want other things to do. You have to accept that may not even like
to be there at the time, nothing is set in concrete.
It helps if they are involved with the pregnancy, attending appointments if
in hospital or helping the midwife if at home. Kids just love the tools of a
midwife, fundal measurements might be a bit out though if they help.
Some good books are "Having a Baby" by Jenni Overend and also the writer of
"Maisie Mouse" series has one about introducing a new sibling etc, (sorry
don't know the name).
Lots of talking, my youngest wasn't that interested, but the older boy new
all about the placenta and unbilical cord, he loved the blood and mess.
After all my education, baby decided to enter the world in the middle of the
night and the boys slept right through it all. We woke the eldest up a
couple of hours later to help cut the cord. Little one didn't wake til usual
time. It was a fast and demanding labour so it was appropriate that the boys
weren't there, I believe I wouldn't have coped as well, things happen for a
reason.
My oldest, now 4 1/4 years thinks I should have another baby so as our
midwife can visit us again and so as he can be awake to see the birth this
time. I love this, but dad's not to keen. He offered to pay the midwife just
to visit, no baby.

So I don't think it matters how old other children are, just prepare them as
best you can for the birth and enjoy the time.

Cheers
Megan.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] jittery newborn

[Larry & Megan]

Don't 
know where you are, but again I would recommend an experienced cranial 
osteopath. Not saying it will cure anything, but will rule out some things. 
Regardless, the difference osteopathic treatment does to the body is worth its 
weight in gold.
 
worth 
a try,
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
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  7:46To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] jittery 
  newborn
  Case to ponder 
  4 hr 1st stage 1hr 40 mins 2nd MI till 30 mins 
  before birth at term plus 2days PG 4000 gram baby SVD under water at home 
  apgars 9+10 .breast feed well
  mother GBS + AND DECLINED abs unless 
  PROM or prem birth etc etc
  No signs of sepis at birth or subsequent days 
  some transient rapid resps and early jaundice 
  problem periods of jittering when disturbed not 
  cold not hypo bf non stop if limbs held then jittereing ceases no 
  associated high pitch in cry or unusual stare in eyes babe is well and now d6 
  still jitters at times not confused with moro a real tremor fine motor 
  type
  Any mws out there come across this 
  before? I havn't in an otherwise well babe 
  and I've been around 30 years love jan 

RE: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.....when Sally met Harry....(Long)

[Larry & Megan]

this 
is why I love waterbirth, my bits are out of view. There is no mistaking that 
feeling of having a babies head crowning, "Ring Of Fire" it 
is!
 
Megan.
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sally 
WestburySent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:44To: 
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thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long)

  
  But then you don’t 
  need to be staring at her bits.. honestly women will tell you when the baby is about to come 
  out. They don’t need us to look … wait until she 
  tells you that the baby is stinging/burning/stretching then watch to help her 
  guide the baby out!  Really makes 
  for powerful birthing when it is the woman who is tell you what is happening 
  down there.  I took me a leap of 
  faith to stop staring at the woman’s private bits and trust she would tell me 
  when she needed my help.. but fantastic.
   
  In peace and joy 
  
  Sally 
  Westbury
   
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  Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JoFromOzSent: Friday, 22 November 
  2002 1:06 
  PMTo: 
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  journey.when Sally met Harry(Long)
   
  
  What a beautiful story, 
  Tina!
  
   
  
  I have a few nice ones like that, but mostly I'm at 
  the other end.  How nice it would have been for you to just focus on the 
  woman through the second stage of labour, instead of staring at her bits, 
  waiting for the baby to come! :)  
  
   
  
  Onto more beautiful births 
  !
  
   
  
  Jo
  
   
  
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  Delivered.
  
   
  
   

RE: [ozmidwifery] ABC radio

[Larry & Megan]

when 
you go on radio you can hear it all through the phone so it gives you some 
chance to listen and think about what is being said, that aside you will finish 
up and wish you had said a heap of other stuff not to mention the style of 
language you use, eg delivery instead of birth etc.
Have 
fun, i'll race home from kindy and listen, might phone in to, I bet they get 
inudated with calls.
 
Megan.

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jo & Dean 
  BainbridgeSent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 1:20To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] ABC 
  radio
  Next Tuesday at 9am (EST) ABC radio is running a 
  15 minute segment on cs and women's choices.  Anne Dealany has asked me 
  to talk about choices and processes that women go through which brings them to 
  the choice of elective cs or vbac.  I am going to do a bit of prep work 
  tonight and will send the list some ideas I will bring into the 
  conversation.  If any one has anything they want me to include (yes, NMAP 
  and continuity of carer and so forth are already on my list.)  please let 
  me know.  
  wish me luck, I am scarred shitlesswhen ever 
  I get nervous I cant stop talking (as many of you have already had the 
  misfortune to experience first hand!!!)
  Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES 
  SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 
  8388 6918birth with trust, faith & 
love...

RE: [ozmidwifery] HIV and birth

[Larry & Megan]

The women on the show were from Johannesburg, and I would say not very
wealthy, though not impoverished. The doctor said he would perform a
caesarean on all mothers with HIV+ but the hospital cannot
support/accomodate this. I wondered if there was a greater risk of transfer
at birth if the woman had intervention, episiotomy etc, which would be
likely if the hospital had high intervention rates. How does the baby avoid
contracting the virus whilst inside? surely they share bodily fluids, does
the amniotic fluid not carry the virus?

I'm still confused?
Megan.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and the power of the mind

[Larry & Megan]

I have been doing yoga for over 5 years now, attending pre-natal yoga with
my three pregnacies and it has to have made a difference. The power of the
breath in helping to let go is true. I was taught as you inhale you invisage
that enrgising breath going to where the discomfort is and then on the
exhale breath soften and allow the body to stretch . Very important to me
was remebering to keep my lips soft which in turn kept my vagina(lips) soft
allowing the cervix to relax and open. Shoulders need to be kept down away
from your ears, again avoiding tension. Basically surrender to the strength
of a contraction and feed it good breath. My contractions hurt, often
needing to breathe through them right from early on. If they hurt when you
are relaxed, how much more will it hurt if you tighten up. Even now I can
still revisit that feeling of letting go. I still use it in yoga to allow
the body to stretch and move.
I must add that to relax in labour it helps if you are trusting and secure
with the people and environment around you. My thoughts on pain is that
there is a line and only when you cross it does that pain turn into fear.
Fear creates the adrenaline ( fight or flight) and then the spiralling
affect. You can come back from it, but need good strong support.

Absolutely recommend pregnancy yoga for birth preparation and of course yoga
for everyone anytime.

Megan.


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[ozmidwifery] Hair Loss

[Larry & Megan]

In my previous life I was a hairdresser, so my thoughts and experience is
that hair loss can be due to a trauma and if this is the case then it
usually takes about three months after for hair to start falling out, by
which time most people have forgotten the incident. This can be as simple as
an illness. You will only lose as much hair as you are meant to, meaning X
amount will come out wether it take one week or one month, so being gentle
etc makes no difference. My hair responded beautifully to my first two
pregnancies but after number three it fell out, took a few months before it
subsided. You will then notice a lovely crop of new hair growing back. Women
with curly hair can lose their curls, returning a couple of years after
their last baby and of course the colour can change. Hold up your hair into
the light and you may see different bands of colour that would relate to
what was going on in your body. I guess its only naturual that our hair
responds to the hormones in our body, nails and skin are the same.
I have heard that hair post chemo therapy is never the same, that it perms
and colours differently, sometimes not working at all and does often grow
back different looking to previous hair.
A hair and scalp specialist is called a Trichologist and if concerned about
hair loss then look one up in the yellow book.

Hope info is of some use,
Megan

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[ozmidwifery] HIV and birth

[Larry & Megan]

Did anyone else watch SBS, Cutting Edge, last night? It was on two women who
were HIV positive and pregnant. Followed them through to post birth. It was
said that there is less risk of transfer of the virus if baby is born by
caesarean. They also said it was safer if baby was bottle fed, which makes
sense if the mothers milk will pass on the virus. Can anyone enlighten me on
why this is the case?
Fortunately both babies were born HIV negative and there mothers were
continuing to be drug free.
Statistics at the end were that 25% of pregnant women in Sth Africa are HIV
positive, and most cannot receive medication due to governments continuing
disbelief that the disease exists.

Megan

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RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk

[Larry & Megan]

Greenpeace has put out a booklet called True Food Guide, info available 
online at  www.greenpeace.org.au/truefood . 
Thumbs down to Nestle Formula S-26, SMA & Infasoy Progress Baby 
Formula(Wyeth), meaning no policy to remove GE derived ingredients,inc those 
from animals fed GE feed.
 
Megan.

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robyn 
  ThompsonSent: Saturday, 16 November 2002 10:33To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 
  
  Terry
  Can 
  we access this information so it can be placed on a Link or how can we obtain 
  the written document?
   
  thanks,    Robyn
  
-Original Message-From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Terry 
Garnons-WilliamsSent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:12 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 
Of note is a recent booklet put 
out by GreenPeace - after extensive exploration, S26 was found to contain 
Genetically modified products... makes me wonder what we are doing in 
hospitals with our very tiny bubs, feeding them S26 routinely...  Heinz 
on the other hand does not appear to contain GMO's - I discuss these 
findings with every mother who is (or is considering) formula feeding - 
again, many do not know and would probably look at breast feeding a little 
bit closer if they did know.
Cheers! Terry

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Robyn 
  Thompson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 
  8:24 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: Milk 

  
  The same applies to the risks of Cow's milk formulas, many babies 
  are sensitised in-utero because of the mothers ingestion during pregnancy 
  and then they have increased risks of all the problems associated with 
  Dairy products.