Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Hello I also do, but my opinion, is that the MZ-S does not fit the purpose it has to. Because I am waiting for a better SLR, and I do believe that this will only help Pentax to built a better camera. (I also do not like Mz-S as I hold a sample for a moment) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 13 avril 2001 07:31 Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know The Maxxum 7 may be a good SLR, but then you are stuck using Minolta lenses. I use Pentax because, in part, I don't like Minolta lenses. William Robb - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 12, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I am very waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. If a camera that fits the purpose, why care if it was better than Minolta or any other brands. Besides, there are always something better and more advance in the near future. regards, Alan Chan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Hello I also do, but my opinion, is that the MZ-S does not fit the purpose it has to. Because I am waiting for a better SLR, and I do believe that this will only help Pentax to built a better camera. (I also do not like Mz-S as I hold a sample for a moment) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] A better SLR body would be nice, but I doubt there would be any from Pentax. Not that I do not want one of course (even though I might not be able to afford it). regards, Alan Chan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine should be
Hi,
3 sites that I particularly like are
Mary Ellen Mark at www.maryellenmark.com
Magnum at www.magnumphotos.com
Reportage at www.reportage.org
they are clean and simple, with the emphasis on content. I like a site
to have an index of thumbnails, in the way the pug has, so you can get
an overview of what's there and choose by random access.
I particularly like the way MEM has thumbnails of the whole gallery
subsesction you're in on each page. The Reportage site is notable because
it scrolls across rather than down. This is unusual but effective, imo.
At times the Reportage site falls into the 'click here for yet another
page with no content' trap. In fact, the words 'Click here...' or
equivalent are a bit of a red flag that the designer has stopped
thinking. The Magnum site is great content right from the word 'go', but it
can be a bit slow for my hopeless little home PC.
What I really, really hate are sites that have useless pages such as 'click
here to enter my site', 'click here to enter the gallery' bla bla.
Commercial sites sometimes do this to make you look at adverts. I
usually click elsewhere to get out. When you get to the gallery it's just one
picture after another, sequentially, with no indication of how many there are,
and what's coming next. In this sort of user interface the emphasis should be
on content and on the user being in control.
Photos look best against a plain, neutral background. Think of museums
photo galleries - white walls, simple frames, plain mattes. You don't
see photographs in museums displayed in heavy gold roccoco frames against
crimson flock wallpaper, so you shouldn't do the webby equivalent.
Captions should be limited to who, what, when, where and why.
Don't tell the viewer what to think.
Don't tell the viewer why the picture isn't better than it is, don't
offer excuses ('Maybe I should have been a bit to the right so Auntie
Flo's head wouldn't be in the way. Then you could have seen the last
surviving dodo just before my dog got it, but my shoes were pinching
me a bit and I didn't want to take 2 steps to the right').
Avoid kitsch titles (see PUG for plenty of examples. Sorry!!).
Avoid pretentious titles (eg a photo of your toe-nail clippings entitled
'Metaphysical universe #9 in satin. 3rd reprise a la turque').
In fact, avoid titles.
I personally am not interested in what equipment, film or f-stop you
used, unless it really is of great importance, but I suppose some people
like that. Keep it separate from the caption, and be consistent from page
to page about where controls, and information are laid out.
My own website is www.web-options.com/index.htm. I unashamedly stole
ideas from Mary Ellen Mark and the PUG. The idea for a thumbnail for
the 'previous' and 'next' controls belongs to Ralf Stubner.
The big problem with my site is that all the code is hand-crafted, which
makes it difficult to maintain. If I add another menu item I will have to
change every page to include it. It's also not W3C conformant. When I get
the energy to do version 2 I will use a frame-based menu system, and probably
write a simple program to generate compliant html.
"A good artist copies. A great artist steals" - Picasso (I think). But that
doesn't mean that everybody who steals is a great artist!
Hope that's of some use to you.
---
Bob
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Friday, April 13, 2001, 2:10:10 AM, you wrote:
[...]
So, help me out here, group! If you think your site is Boss, or you know
of someone else's, please tell me. I promise not to steal, just to get
ideas; and probably just temporary as we work on a permanent site.
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Re: Rear Converter-A 2X-L lens compatibility, experiment
Interesting. I had considered doing the same thing to my SMC 400/5.6. I purchased an A-2XL and then discovered that the snout was too wide to fit inside the rear baffles. But like the 200/2.8, the rear element was far enough forward. I eventually chickened out, however, and bought the A-2XS (from you Rob, if I recall). In any case, I'd be interested in your comparison of the two converters. Paul Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, I've been naughty :-) I was re-organizing my tele-kit and was prompted to do a little experimentation. Thought: Wouldn't it be nice to be able to use the Rear Converter-A 2X-L on my SMCPA*200f2.8, can't though, it won't fit, have to carry the 2X-S just for this lens. Light-bulb over head: Measure the rear element clearance in the 200f2.8, seems to be enough room, 2X-L won't fit though as there are two short light baffles that prevent it from seating fully. Icky part: Miniature hex point screw driver in hand, remove screws that secure the entire rear baffle, slip it out carefully, lens is now looking decidedly bald from the rear :-) Cool part: Carefully pop the 2X-L on the back of the lens, no bumps, clashes, fits perfectly, locks in no problems, looking good. Take the combo outside mounted on an LX, no noticeable vignetting, great crisp view through the finder, have to do some real performance tests between the two converters now. Since there seems to be no issue with this coupling optically was the addition of the two baffles simply a marketing ploy or what, I can't see the baffles being significant optically excepting when the sun is just out of frame at the top of the long edge of the frame? Am I now obliged to file off the baffles :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 Fax +61-2-9554-9259 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My decision...
Doug has this exactly right. It's OK to shoot lots of film because you can experiment with new ideas while you do it, but cut down on the number of shots that to give the customer. I'd say let them select from the best twenty or twenty five images. You get to use them all to build your repertoire. I don't know about anyone else but the Muse of spontaneous, creative photography is not on me every shooting session, and I have found that having a good repertoire of "formula" shots can save a session, or at least get me warmed up to the point where the creative juices can flow. Remember to work out a contract for your customers to sign and include a model release so that you can use your best work to advertise your business. I'd recommend you require payment a week or more ahead of the shoot and be sure to have a clause in the contract that says cancellations, after some point in time, will not be refunded. No ifs, ands, or buts. You can always temper that under circumstances that you may believe require compassion, but never, ever, even hint that you might do so. Sample contracts and model release forms abound on the web. Find them, modify them, and check with a lawyer/solicitor before you start using them. Len --- -Original Message- From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: My decision... Tanya, Sounds like a pretty reasonable plan, I guess. Only a couple of things to think about: Plan for repeat business. Giving them 70-80 5x7's will assure that they will be awash in photos for the foreseeable future. Maybe forever. You have a pretty good eye, but I don't think you're yet at the point where you can come up with 70-80 shots that are unique and different enough from one another, as well as photographically valid, as to warrant including them all. Also, you don't want to shoot your wad right away. If you use up every single idea you have, what are you going to do next time? A smaller number of carefully edited and arranged portraits will work better for you, because the clients will be impressed with your work, you leave room for reorders (which will be non-existent if you deliver 80 5x7's), AND, possibly most important, the client will begin to think of the next session. And speaking of reprints, keep the prices up there on them. If folks figure out that the reprints are cheaper than the initial package, they'll cheap you on the first order and then reorder you to death. Entirely up to you, Doug -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine should be
Kevin Thornsberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to all my favorite sites and realized that they are all pretty simple. I appears to be the images that draw me, not the site. They are all clean, direct and simple. Not much to copy except the idea. For good design advice see http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com It's a lot of fun, but smart as well. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
Hi Guys, Ours does 400..800..1600. Ser # 1079xxx. Does it look like later models had 1000? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "William Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "pentax discuss" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds Hi Paul, Mine does the 400...1000...1600. It is a #151. I don't know any of the answers to your questions, but I will speculate on one. About the time that the Super Program was in production, Kodak came out with their VR1000 high speed color print film. I don't believe that there were any 800 speed films being produced at that time, and Kodak was pushing the low light capability of the 1000 speed film pretty hard (I think this may have been the first T-grain emulision, first in color anyway). Perhaps Pentax thought that it would be less confusing for the general consumer to have a mark at 1000 for a film that existed vs 800 that only someone who might be pushing film speed etc. (in other words, knew what they were doing) would be using. Just a guess. Regards, William in Utah. Paul wrote; Does anyone know when the change was introduced? Which came first? Why the change was made? What other changes occurred during the Super Program / Super A's manufacturing cycle? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: My decision...
Congratulations on finally deciding Tanya.I aslo read all of the replies as I am going through a similar delema my self only not with photo's of people but of our equine friends.For the past two years I practiced on our local riders working on timing framing and trying to promote my name,selling the pictures back tothe riders at my cost to re gain monies spent.The parents constently told me to charge more but as i felt i was still learning,it felt ocward to do so.Now I feel talented enough to venture into the competetive world of the equine 'pro'and started to sell some pic's from some indoor shoots this spring.I toiled with a fair price schedule,posted it with my album(i put the pic;s in an album for all to look at with a price list and order form)and still told 'your pic's are great but you'r still not charging enough'.I do not charge per hour etc just shoot on spec,post the pictures and try to promote as much as possible.Very hard for a one man operation.The plus side of all the time spent is i met a very influental coach/judge last week who liked some of my work,took 3 pictures for a magazine column he writes and will use them soon,and he asked if i would shoot pictures at his next clinic in 2 weeks. I think everyone who submits to this digest knows how hard it is to prosper in this medium but if we did not enjoy the fun aspect of it would be doing x word puzzles instead. BTW my prices are $3 per 4x6,$10 per 5x7 $15 per 8x10 and $25 per 11x14 to cheap Thanks for all the infor group Dave Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on?
I hate to say that your blanket statement that "Loc-tite is extremely corrosive (that's why it works)." is WRONG but it is! First "Loctite" is a brand name for many, many products. They run from thread lockers to lubricants. There are epoxies, gasket materials, anti-seize, rust proofers, and even hand cleaners. If you are referring to thread lockers; then retention is done by setting up by the exclusion of oxygen. You can precoat and then assemble years later and it still works. One statement from the factory manual says that it eliminates galvanic corrosion in aluminum and magnesium. These thread lockers meet strict Mil-specs (MIL-S-46163A) so they can be used in miltary and aviation applications. They are FAA approved for aviation use. They come is various strengths, and as they get stronger, they are removable by the simple application of heat. But the low strengths are easily removable with normal hand tools in the same order of lock washers without the limited torque range. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh - Original Message - From: "PAUL STENQUIST" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on? The adapter is supposed to stay in the camera body. There's a spring clip that keeps it there. You can use a screwdriver, fingernail, knife, or other similar object to release the clip and remove the adapter. You can mount an adapter on each lens and remove the locking clip from the adapters. I would just screw the adapter on snugly. It should stay put. Loc-tite is extremely corrosive (that's why it works). I wouldn't want to get it anywhere near a camera or lens. (You can also buy yourself a Spotmatic F and throw away the adapters.) Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have acquired ttwo Vivitar Series 1 telephotos--the 135/2.3 and the 200/3.0--I find myself annoyed by the M42 screwmount-to-K mount adapters. When I set about to remove the lens, the adapter stays in the Super Program body; the lens unscrews from the adapter. It's VERY annoying to have to extract the adapter, with whatever tools I have available, so that I can fit the body with another lens. (That is the idea of interchangeable lenses, isn't it?) Last night I used a screwdriver, but I realize this is a no-no. I had hoped that by using genuine Pentax-brand adapters I wouldn't face this problem, a problem that I first experienced last year when using a Samigon-brand adapter to fit an 85/1.8 screwmount lens to my Super Program. The Samigon actually came with a little tool to extract the adapter. If I'm going to have this problem each time he removes the lens, I might as well dedicate a body to it. If I decided to do that, I could have bought these lenses in their multicoated versions in Minolta mount, or Canon, or Olympus. The screwmount units--certainly the 200/3--appear to be single-coated. I'm tempted to use Loc-Tite to more or less permanently keep each adapter on the lens. Comments? Suggestions? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine should be
Three i like: http://clixphoto.com http://timeflys.com http://brooks1952.tripod.com tha later is mine with ideas from above.It helps topromote myself as well as the barn we board at(we mutually promote each other) Dave Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
David, The only way to get a Super Program in black is to get a Super A. Those are scarce in the States, and some Americans will pay a premium to get one. KEH charges more for the Super A than they charge for an SP in the same condition. "David P. Chernicoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A broken SP body went for $104, but I had only 1 bidder for a working SP body with 50mm f1.4 and MEII winder, all in excellent shape, which went for $195. FWIW, the same setup, with a Super A rather than a SP, and the body not in as nice shape and a 50 f1.7, went for a BIN of $275. I just don't understand ebay economics /ebay rant David Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Mystery lens - Sigma 28mm, F2.8 macro, manual focus, PK mount
It's called the Mini Wide II Macro. In 1999 one of them sold for $65 in EX at KH. That's all I know; I don't have any specs or date of introduction. But it continued to be sold long after the 28/2.8 was introduced in the early or mid 90s. You might still find them new. Sigma designs many of its lenses to shoot a 1:4 magnification or better, so I suspect that this lens is a 1:4 or at best 1:3. Martin Tammer wrote: Would appreciate any information at all about this lens [Sigma 28/2.8 Macro]. Can't find a thing on the Internet. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Upgrade consumer grade bodies! (Was:Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know)
Hi, Is MZ-S better than Z-1p? Maybe yes, maybe no... For me it in fact doesn't matter at all, since I can't afford them anyway:))) I LOVE Pentax lenses, they're just excellent, even the cheapest ones are far better than those of Minolta for example. But I would really welcome spot metering and autobracketing in my MZ-7 (instead of multiexposure perhaps). In other words, I don't understand why those features are implemented into the most advanced bodies of MZ/ZX line, i.e. MZ-5n and MZ-3. Don't flame me - EOS-300, a much cheaper C body, has it all. I think, that at least MZ-7 and MZ-10 should have them too. Greetz Artur PS: Happy Easter to all of You -- = "Our time has come, get ready to fight. Sisters and brothers, in metal unite. The dreams that you had are about to come true. The voice of the Warrior is calling for you!" Hammerfall "The Way of the Warrior" --- Bezpieczne zakupy w sieci! http://www.ws.pl/Reklama/m.html?s=3 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page
Doug, Nice choice! Mine is in sore need of a revamp for design, navigation, and content since I've been focusing more on my car-related stuff recently: http://www.lumine.net/ http://www.lumine.net/subaru/legacyb4/ Cheers, Jeff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pentax-discuss-digest) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:25:27 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #591 http://www.tonysweetphotography.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: A*85/1.4 Hood
This one's a beauty - as close to new as I've seen. BH sells this puppy for $53.00. I'll let this one go for $40.00 + $3.50 for priority shipping within the US - slightly more for other areas. Please contact me off list if interested. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tamron 90/2.5 Macro, $140 [with mount?]
Not necessarily. It could suggest that the lens is capable of that. In any event, I'll keep mine (including the matched multiplier and hood) Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: FS: Tamron 90/2.5 Macro, $140 [with mount?] The ad suggests that the dealer will fit the lens with any Tamron mount you wish. Even if the mount costs extra, $140 is an outstanding price for one of these 1:2 macros in Mint. It typically goes for $175 to $250 in a variety of conditions. http://www.thephotoctr.com/view_used_items.php?item_type=LEN: TAMRON SP90/2.5 TELE-MACRO MINT ALL 1 $140.00 (U.S.) Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
e: Ultra-Wide Angle Lens Recommendations
Michel, Check Ed's price bracket again. These 14 and 15mm rectilinears cost about $550 to $1050 more than he was planning to spend. "Michel Adam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a slippery slope. To get a 'fix' that last, I would recommend a 15mm, or maybe the Tamron or the Sigma 14mm/2.8. Michel Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Subject: Re: Fairy pics
Actually, it's not eBay economics. It's the bidders, and sellers(wherever they are from) that cause all of the anomalies. As eBay says, they are only a venue. Like a public highway, they aren't responsible for the actions and decisions of the drivers of the vehicles that use it. Trash or treasure is all in the opinion of the individual. When you have millions of individuals involved, there's no guarantee things will go the way that you think they should. Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Fairy pics David, The only way to get a Super Program in black is to get a Super A. Those are scarce in the States, and some Americans will pay a premium to get one. KEH charges more for the Super A than they charge for an SP in the same condition. "David P. Chernicoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A broken SP body went for $104, but I had only 1 bidder for a working SP body with 50mm f1.4 and MEII winder, all in excellent shape, which went for $195. FWIW, the same setup, with a Super A rather than a SP, and the body not in as nice shape and a 50 f1.7, went for a BIN of $275. I just don't understand ebay economics /ebay rant David Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
Mine is a #157, with 1000 setting. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds Yes, Steve. All three SPs whose owners have weighed in (mine and two repliers) had serial numbers from 135 to 151. That suggests that William's hypothesis--that the 800 marking was changed to 1000 in response to new 1000-speed films--is a plausible one. Hi Guys, Ours does 400..800..1600. Ser # 1079xxx. Does it look like later models had 1000? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vivitar Series 1 vs. Pentax 135 and 200mm telephotos: f/stop, brightnessshootout
Steve, At Steve Larson's request, I compared my Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3 and 200/3.0 screwmount telephotos against my Pentax K-mount f/2.5s at the same ISO and f/stop. It appears that the Vivitars are "brighter"--that is, they delivered a faster shutter speed at the same f/stop. For the 200s, I used ISO 1000 and f/4. I aimed at a variety of targets in my basement. About half the time, the Vivitar beat the Pentax by 1 stop in my Super Program readout. The other half the time, the readouts were the same. That suggests the Vivitar is a half-stop brighter, f/stop for f/stop, so that its f/3 is as bright as a Pentax 2.5, since f/2.5 is 0.33 stop faster than f/2.8. For the record, the Vivitar uses a 72mm filter; the Pentax, a 77. For the 135s, I probably didn't use as reliable a method. ISO remained at 1000. But I set each lens to its maximum f/stop. Result? About 80 percent of the time, the Vivitar delivered a shutter speed that was 1 stop faster. It would be difficult to account for this by an f/2.3 vs. f/2.5 alone. The Vivitar uses a 72mm filter; the Pentax, a 58mm. I repeated the tests by switching cameras. Results were the same. I suspect that the Vivitars' brightness owes in part to the fact that they are only single-coated, and in part to a conservative f/stop claim. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Upgrade consumer grade bodies! (Was:Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know)
Alin Flaider wrote: Actually, no EOS up to 5 has spot metering. All sport the so called partial metering - a 9% area good for nothing. To put it another way - 9% of the area is what you get when you take 30% of the width and 30% of the height. Not exactly 'spot'. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SLRs that I have known
Peter Spiro wrote: The discussion about viewfinder magnification on PDML last week prompted me to think about the features of Pentax cameras over the decades. Thanks to eBay, it's now possible to buy a used camera without worrying about taking a big loss on it if I don't want it anymore, and I have indulged with quite a few over the past few years: Pentax KX, K2, MX, ME, ME Super, Super Program, P5, MZ-5, MZ-10, MZ-M and MZ-5n; Sigma SA-1, and Olympus OM-1, OM-10 and OM-2S. I have written a little article about the features I found useful or not so useful on these cameras, at: http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/PentaxSLR.htm If you have a chance to look at it, and spot any errors, please let me know, and I will correct it in the next version. According to Pentax brochure 06100/1085 the Program Plus Super Program are the same at 490g, 92% and 0.82X magnification. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on?
Thanks to all who have shared their experiences, suggestions, and cautions.
I have two Pentax adapters. One came with no instructions. The other came
with instructions in Japanese. I confess, I was stupidly trying to twiet
the gizmo off the body. I didn't realize that one can simply depress a
spring and it is free. Thanks, guys!
When I had the 85/1.8 in my hot little hands, only to discover that I
couldn't meter at full aperture on my K-mount bodies, I considered getting
a late-model SpotMatic. But I prefer the amenities and lighter weight of
more recent bodies. SInce I would want to use the lens at all apertures, I
decided it wasn't for me, and sold it. Sigh! It was the best built,
smoothest-operating lens in my collection!
To acquire the Vivitar 135/2.3 on EBay, I had to buy two screwmount
teleconverters, a screwmount Ricoh 50/1.4, a 1975-model Ricoh screwmount
SLR, for a total of $200. (I thought the setup would be K mount, but that
was my own misunderstanding.) On the Ricoh, I confirmed that the auto
Vivitar could meter at full brightness with any f/stop selected, and I
thought, "Yes!" Now I have it all." But after spending an afternoon
studying the Ricoh manual and the body, I gave up. Perhaps I'm spoiled by
aperture priority, but the Ricoh required far more intervention than I was
prepared to provide. ("Using the dial at the upper left, tell the camera
the maximum f/stop of your lens." I thought that was the camera's job!) And
it's damn heavy.
Perhaps when I have a couple more K-mount bodies in my stable (currently
consisting of two working Super Programs), I'll dedicate one to the
screwmounts. But chances are, wherever I go with the 135mm, I'll want to
take the 200 to switch between them as the subject requires. So I'll still
be needing two bodies.
Paul Franklin Stregevsky
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Scam or Sham?
I received a letter in the mail yesterday from picture.com. Apparently (I don't remember) I entered a photo in an on-line photo contest. OK after returning to the site, I remember. The letter came in an envelope with a window, through which I could see a thumbnail of my photo, Takhlakh Venus. So it got my attention. http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm The form letter is pleased to announce that the photo was selected as a semi-finalist in the nature category of the International Open Amateur Photography Contest, there is an excellent chance of winning "over 114 cash or gift prizes - including the $1000 Grand Prize - you may even win the $10,000 Annual Grand Prize!". You should have seen my 10-year old's face light up when he said "You're going to win $10,000?". He's trying to save $35.00 and figures it will take him about 5 more weeks. :-) They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. I need to reply, giving them permission to publish the photo, and am under no obligation to purchase the book. Copyright remains mine. Here's what bothers me about this: 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Features vs. build quality
After following the latest threads with complaints about the features in various Pentax SLR's (MZ-S, MZ-7 etc.) it's clear to me that the majority of users wants features, features and nothing but features. Performance and build quality is of 2nd concern. This is of course very bad for Pentax since they have, in contradiction to Canon and Minolta, choosen the blessed pathway of good build quality and high performance. All, but the most expensive cameras, are a compromise between build quality, performance, features - and price. This is because everything cost money and a maker has to decide very carefully about what to concentrate on without raising the price. Take for example the MZ-7 vs Canon EOS 300 and Minolta 505Si. Now, tests in Practical Photography (uk), and in other magazines, has clearly showned that Pentax is the winner when it comes to performance and build quality, while the Canon and Minolta wins the feature race. Nikon is a strange mix between advanced features and strange omissions (like the abscense of remote controlled shutter release). The Pentax MZ-7 has both the fastest AF and the fastest winder in it's class. It has metal reinforcements where the competition uses plastic instead. Of course Pentax could have put in spot meter and auto bracketing in the MZ-7, but in order to avoid a price raise - they would be forced to slow down the autofocus by using a simpler and less expensive AF motor, they would also be forced to remove some of the expensive metal and replace it with cheap plastic. And hey, welcome the new Pentax 300 (or is it Pentax 505Si?). Same story with the MZ-S. Minolta Dynax 7 is a feature filled camera - but it lacks the smoothness, the build quality and the exact performance of the MZ-S. Hyundai or Mercedes? It's an easy choice for me... If the Dynax 7 had the build quality of the MZ-S, it would be much more expensive than the MZ-S. Compare the Dynax 7 to the Dynax 9 and discover that the Dynax 7 wins the feature race, but the Dynax 9 has much better build quality (and a much higher price tag). Pentax is all about quality and performance. If one believes that features is of more importance, then choose Canon or Minolta instead. If you care about quality and performance, then go Pentax. Best regards, -- Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.algonet.se/~rolamo - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, aimcompute wrote: They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. SCAM! Well, I'll qualify that. The prizes will be genuine, but your odds of winning will be negligible and they might even pick the winners out of a hat. Have you ever heard of the National Library of Poetry? They run the same type of deal. They suck you in with (1) the potential of winning the prize money and (2) having your work published. They fit about 8 poems on a page (they explicitly limit you to 20 lines or less), and it looks like this is doing the same thing with photographs. They make a *ton* of money off these books, as there's a lot of people who will pay the money to have their ego stroked. If you enter, don't expect the winners to be based on artistic merit. :) These type of scams usually come out with at least one book every year, and sometimes four or more. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
- Original Message - From: "aimcompute" Subject: Scam or Sham? snip 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. No, it's their contest. They get to set the rules. You get to either play by them, or not play. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! Yup. 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. Think of it as a get rich scheme for the publishers. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. Don't you have a state lottery? Buy tickets. If you agree to let them use your work, think of it as a donation to people you probably wouldn't like if you knew them. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on?
Hi Cy, You don't have to hate to say that I'm wrong, since I obviously am, and I appreciate the correction. Of course you're right that Loc-Tite is a brand name and the company makes a lot more than thread locking compounds, but the name has become somewhat of a generic for thread locking compounds. I once worked as a race-engine builder, and I used a lot of Loc-tite Stud and Bearing Mount. It seemed to be a bit nasty in terms of how it reacted with steel fasteners, but perhaps what I was seeing was the residual compound or corrosion caused by nitromethane racing fuel. I didn't know that heat would help with the removal of a fastener that has been installed with Loc-tite, but that's good information and it may come in handy some day. (I still dabble with scale race cars and occasionally have to resort to Loc-tite to keep things from coming apart.) Anyway, things for the clarification. Paul Cy Galley wrote: I hate to say that your blanket statement that "Loc-tite is extremely corrosive (that's why it works)." is WRONG but it is! First "Loctite" is a brand name for many, many products. They run from thread lockers to lubricants. There are epoxies, gasket materials, anti-seize, rust proofers, and even hand cleaners. If you are referring to thread lockers; then retention is done by setting up by the exclusion of oxygen. You can precoat and then assemble years later and it still works. One statement from the factory manual says that it eliminates galvanic corrosion in aluminum and magnesium. These thread lockers meet strict Mil-specs (MIL-S-46163A) so they can be used in miltary and aviation applications. They are FAA approved for aviation use. They come is various strengths, and as they get stronger, they are removable by the simple application of heat. But the low strengths are easily removable with normal hand tools in the same order of lock washers without the limited torque range. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh - Original Message - From: "PAUL STENQUIST" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: screwmount adapters: how to keep them on? The adapter is supposed to stay in the camera body. There's a spring clip that keeps it there. You can use a screwdriver, fingernail, knife, or other similar object to release the clip and remove the adapter. You can mount an adapter on each lens and remove the locking clip from the adapters. I would just screw the adapter on snugly. It should stay put. Loc-tite is extremely corrosive (that's why it works). I wouldn't want to get it anywhere near a camera or lens. (You can also buy yourself a Spotmatic F and throw away the adapters.) Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have acquired ttwo Vivitar Series 1 telephotos--the 135/2.3 and the 200/3.0--I find myself annoyed by the M42 screwmount-to-K mount adapters. When I set about to remove the lens, the adapter stays in the Super Program body; the lens unscrews from the adapter. It's VERY annoying to have to extract the adapter, with whatever tools I have available, so that I can fit the body with another lens. (That is the idea of interchangeable lenses, isn't it?) Last night I used a screwdriver, but I realize this is a no-no. I had hoped that by using genuine Pentax-brand adapters I wouldn't face this problem, a problem that I first experienced last year when using a Samigon-brand adapter to fit an 85/1.8 screwmount lens to my Super Program. The Samigon actually came with a little tool to extract the adapter. If I'm going to have this problem each time he removes the lens, I might as well dedicate a body to it. If I decided to do that, I could have bought these lenses in their multicoated versions in Minolta mount, or Canon, or Olympus. The screwmount units--certainly the 200/3--appear to be single-coated. I'm tempted to use Loc-Tite to more or less permanently keep each adapter on the lens. Comments? Suggestions? Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Roland Mabo wrote: After following the latest threads with complaints about the features in various Pentax SLR's (MZ-S, MZ-7 etc.) it's clear to me that the majority of users wants features, features and nothing but features. Don't forget the 'squeaky wheel' factor: you don't hear much from those people who are happy with their cameras. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
aimcompute wrote: They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. And they hope that enough of their 'winners' will buy the book to cover their costs in producing it. It's not exactly a scam, but it's not the sort of outfit I'd choose to support. -- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Graphics, Inc. (650)933-82952011 N. Shoreline Blvd. MS 43U-991 (650)932-0828 (Fax) Mountain View, CA 94043-1389 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: e: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty lame defense, I suppose, for one who earns his living as a technical writer... Ironically, I earn my living as a writer as well. I think that my frequent e-mail typos are the result of a general reluctance to actually "work" at writing when I'm dashing off something for the list. I figure most of you are smart enough to figure out what I meant to say, except for those occasions when what I meant to say makes such little sense that no one could possibly comprehend it even if it were error free :-) Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, it's their contest. They get to set the rules. You get to either play by them, or not play. So you're saying I don't deserve a free book? :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
I'm pretty sure feature hungry users will defect sooner or later for the digital and film SLR will remain a build quality niche. So relax and hold on to our elitist-to-be company... Servus, Alin ;o) Roland wrote: RM After following the latest threads with complaints about the features in RM various Pentax SLR's (MZ-S, MZ-7 etc.) it's clear to me that the RM majority of users wants features, features and nothing but features. RM ... RM Pentax is all about quality and performance. If one believes that RM features is of more importance, then choose Canon or Minolta instead. If RM you care about quality and performance, then go Pentax. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Scam or Sham?
Nice Photo. The book thing is not really a scam so much as a cheesy way to get free content. I think you spotted the looney. Have you entered the Publishers Clearinghouse contest yet? Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: aimcompute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:24 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: Scam or Sham? I received a letter in the mail yesterday from picture.com. Apparently (I don't remember) I entered a photo in an on-line photo contest. OK after returning to the site, I remember. The letter came in an envelope with a window, through which I could see a thumbnail of my photo, Takhlakh Venus. So it got my attention. http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm The form letter is pleased to announce that the photo was selected as a semi-finalist in the nature category of the International Open Amateur Photography Contest, there is an excellent chance of winning "over 114 cash or gift prizes - including the $1000 Grand Prize - you may even win the $10,000 Annual Grand Prize!". You should have seen my 10-year old's face light up when he said "You're going to win $10,000?". He's trying to save $35.00 and figures it will take him about 5 more weeks. :-) They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. I need to reply, giving them permission to publish the photo, and am under no obligation to purchase the book. Copyright remains mine. Here's what bothers me about this: 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
That's another version of the old "Who's Who" scam. In this one, you receive a letter saying that you have been selected for inclusion in, oh, something like "Who's Who in American Engineering." They give you a Bo sheet to fill out and send in, then let you know that you can order your very own copy of the book for just $99.50. Same scam, different words. Paul aim compute wrote: I received a letter in the mail yesterday from picture.com. Apparently (I don't remember) I entered a photo in an on-line photo contest. OK after returning to the site, I remember. The letter came in an envelope with a window, through which I could see a thumbnail of my photo, Takhlakh Venus. So it got my attention. http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm The form letter is pleased to announce that the photo was selected as a semi-finalist in the nature category of the International Open Amateur Photography Contest, there is an excellent chance of winning "over 114 cash or gift prizes - including the $1000 Grand Prize - you may even win the $10,000 Annual Grand Prize!". You should have seen my 10-year old's face light up when he said "You're going to win $10,000?". He's trying to save $35.00 and figures it will take him about 5 more weeks. :-) They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. I need to reply, giving them permission to publish the photo, and am under no obligation to purchase the book. Copyright remains mine. Here's what bothers me about this: 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
This is one of those up to you kind of things. No doubt permission to publish went along with conditions of entry. Something in me tells me that the book filled with 2-3" prints from jpg cannot sell on the open market for $70. I certainly wouldn't pay it even if one of my images was in it, though many will. In fact, those with photos in the book may be the only buyers! (Along with their relatives) Knowing the name and address of the publisher is will tell a lot, especially if the publisher tells you the number of copies in the initial printing. If the number is 750 or 1000 or so (as opposed to 20,000), this tells you who the real audience is. Note: If the contest is legal, no purchase should be necessary to be eligible for the prizes. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received a letter in the mail yesterday from picture.com. Apparently (I don't remember) I entered a photo in an on-line photo contest. OK after returning to the site, I remember. The letter came in an envelope with a window, through which I could see a thumbnail of my photo, Takhlakh Venus. So it got my attention. http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm The form letter is pleased to announce that the photo was selected as a semi-finalist in the nature category of the International Open Amateur Photography Contest, there is an excellent chance of winning "over 114 cash or gift prizes - including the $1000 Grand Prize - you may even win the $10,000 Annual Grand Prize!". You should have seen my 10-year old's face light up when he said "You're going to win $10,000?". He's trying to save $35.00 and figures it will take him about 5 more weeks. :-) They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. I need to reply, giving them permission to publish the photo, and am under no obligation to purchase the book. Copyright remains mine. Here's what bothers me about this: 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Scam or Sham?
Rest assured, your picture will be published in the book *if* you agree to pay the $59 to buy a copy. I wouldn't count on any actual prize money until you actually put it in the bank. There a lots of variations on this scam but they pretty much all depend on people wanting to see their name/picture/whatever published in a book that they can put on their coffee table to impress their friends with. Somebody may actually win some cash, but the real effort is to get you to part with your $59.00. Not long ago, there was a strip in Dilbert with a similar plot. Len --- -Original Message- From: aimcompute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:24 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject: Scam or Sham? I received a letter in the mail yesterday from picture.com. Apparently (I don't remember) I entered a photo in an on-line photo contest. OK after returning to the site, I remember. The letter came in an envelope with a window, through which I could see a thumbnail of my photo, Takhlakh Venus. So it got my attention. http://pug.komkon.org/99oct/TakhlakhVenus.htm The form letter is pleased to announce that the photo was selected as a semi-finalist in the nature category of the International Open Amateur Photography Contest, there is an excellent chance of winning "over 114 cash or gift prizes - including the $1000 Grand Prize - you may even win the $10,000 Annual Grand Prize!". You should have seen my 10-year old's face light up when he said "You're going to win $10,000?". He's trying to save $35.00 and figures it will take him about 5 more weeks. :-) They wish to publish the photo in a book entitled "Frozen Highlights" which is a classic coffee-table quality book, hardbound, with 750 "timeless images in full color." The book is only $69.95 if I wish to purchase one at the pre-publication price, $59.95 each if I purchase 2, plus $8.00 shipping each. I need to reply, giving them permission to publish the photo, and am under no obligation to purchase the book. Copyright remains mine. Here's what bothers me about this: 1) If my photo was to be in the book, I naturally think I deserve a free copy, don't you? I haven't been paid anything for the photo and there's no guarantee that I will. After the two prizes listed above, the next level is $35.00... $25.00 and so on. 2) The book is 8 x 11, and from the looks of it there is 6 images per page. So the size of my picture that was "selected... because of its unique perspective and artistic vision" will end up being 2 - 3 inches. Big whee! 3) How "professional" of an approach can this be? They are publishing my picture in a coffee-table book and are using a low-quality .jpg file as the image source? That bothers me more than anything else. You would think they would at least ask for a dup of the slide. The idea of winning a large cash prize intrigues me. The idea of having my photo published in such a way, possibly alongside other photos of questionable quality, turns me off big time, and, I think would degrade my work, not elevate it. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
Deserving ain't the same thing as entitlement. Sorry, welcome to the real world. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So you're saying I don't deserve a free book? :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
- Original Message - From: "aimcompute" Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? No, it's their contest. They get to set the rules. You get to either play by them, or not play. So you're saying I don't deserve a free book? :-) Yes, that is what I am saying. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
aimcompute wrote: Here's what bothers me about this: ... snip My neighbor, a beginner but with the makings of a good eye, entered a print one of these about a year ago, and he was told his photo was selected for the coffee-table book. No prize. I remember thinking at the time that it reminded me of the "you have been selected for inclusion in Who's Who of enter field of endeavor here" mailings. I suspect the real deal here is to sell books to the include-ees. My two pfennigs... Stephen Moore - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: e: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz
And now I've caused a new thread because I left the "R" out of "Re" in the subject line. Is there no end to my self-inflicted public humiliation? Let's see: Two Paul S's, each a writer who dashes off quick messages full of typos, then apologizes. We might as well confess, Paul: Yes, dear reader, we are conspiring to confuse you. -- PAUL STENQUIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: e: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty lame defense, I suppose, for one who earns his living as a technical writer... Ironically, I earn my living as a writer as well. I think that my frequent e-mail typos are the result of a general reluctance to actually "work" at writing when I'm dashing off something for the list. I figure most of you are smart enough to figure out what I meant to say, except for those occasions when what I meant to say makes such little sense that no one could possibly comprehend it even if it were error free :-) Paul Stenquist Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa³ / wrote: I'm pretty sure feature hungry users will defect sooner or later for the digital and film SLR will remain a build quality niche. So relax and hold on to our elitist-to-be company... I don't think I'll ever move to a digital area. It's something completely different and uncomparable to the "traditional" photography and I'm quite a traditionalist. I absolutely agree with the statement, that Pentax has the great quality of their products. As I posted, I find the Pentax lenses to be far superior to those of Minolta and Canon (personally I think that Nikon lenses are very good too). But what's wrong about the demand for features? Is autobracketing so difficult to implement? I don't believe it would significantly increase the price. As for the spot metering, mind that I'd like to be able to get reading from the area narrower than the whole viewfinder scene. Even that 9% is better than nothing. MZ-7 is destined for the non-profs (mind its program features). Personally I think those people would far better benefit from the autobracketing or DOF preview or spot (even 9%) metering than from the multiexposure. And I disagree (sorry:() with the statement that MZ-7 has the fastest AF in its class. I was able to compare it with F60 and EOS 300 and found out that EOS has the fastest and most quiet. F60's AF is pretty much like that in MZ-7. Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining (well, not that much anyway:)) I have chosen Pentax exactly because of it's overall great quality and excellent lenses. I like my MZ- 7, find its matrix metering to be very accurate and so on. I'd only welcome more ...hmmm... flexible Pentax' approach to the amateur segment of the market. If the demand for features is so bad, then why do you use those features? How about a pinhole camera?:) I really didn't want to offend any of You. Sorry if I did. Greetz Artur -- = "Our time has come, get ready to fight. Sisters and brothers, in metal unite. The dreams that you had are about to come true. The voice of the Warrior is calling for you!" Hammerfall "The Way of the Warrior" --- Bezpieczne zakupy w sieci! http://www.ws.pl/Reklama/m.html?s=3 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz)
FWIW here is one on eBay that is most likely SMC - check the coating colors and S/N - http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1229939152 I have noticed that the S/N is placed differently on the beauty ring with the two SMC versions (and this one shown here) - (S/N following the lens name) vs. the one I had that was not SMC (S/N then lens name) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Provencher, Paul M. Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:05 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz) The Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 (S/N 4391349) was for many years "just" a Super Takumar with traditional Super Takumar coatings. But according to Gerjan van Oosten in "The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Guide http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/907653702X/diecastpro Asahi first used the SMC coating on the Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150. I had a much earlier version with regular coating (light amber). See: http://whitemetal.com/pentax/st_70~150_45/index.htm This one here is definitely SMC'd. I have another that is a little earlier than this one (serial number is a couple thousand lower) and the coating is also SMC. It's too bad this lens is so large - it really is quite nice in spite of that, and with SMC, I expect it will be very usable. I will try to put images up on my site when I can - right now I am behind on two deadlines for Krause and a book deadline besides. Pay first then play! The other one I have needs to have a sticky diaphragm taken care of. It is unmarked and still quite smooth other than the diaphragm, has no tripod ring, hood, case, caps OR attachment lens. So it will probably be sold fairly cheaply (I have sold the plain ST's in complete working order for between $100-$150) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz .etc (ppro) happy as a pig in with my "new" ST 70~150 (late SMC version!) - They actually put out a "late" SMC coated version of the ST 70-150 zoom??, never seen nor heard of that one. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
The flier goes on to say that this book will later be able to be ordered at all the major booksellers, but not at the special pre-publication price. Ha! I would be tempted to go down to Borders and order one, because you are under no obligation to buy and would be curious. Except I'm not giving permission to publish... Tom C. - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? No, it's their contest. They get to set the rules. You get to either play by them, or not play. So you're saying I don't deserve a free book? :-) Yes, that is what I am saying. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
What? :-) - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? Deserving ain't the same thing as entitlement. Sorry, welcome to the real world. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "aimcompute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So you're saying I don't deserve a free book? :-) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
- Original Message - From: "aimcompute" Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? Except I'm not giving permission to publish... Hopwfully, they respect that. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
That certainly is a good point. I'm not giving them permission to include merely because their use of .jpgs as the image source shows it not only to be not professional, but totally amateurish (which I am, but wish not to be viewed as such) , IMO. - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? snippety snippety Knowing the name and address of the publisher is will tell a lot, especially if the publisher tells you the number of copies in the initial printing. If the number is 750 or 1000 or so (as opposed to 20,000), this tells you who the real audience is Regards, Bob... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
Allegedly, the photo is in the contest, but they need an "Artist's Proof" that the photo is my original piece of art, in order to publish it. So I don't foresee a problem, except for receiving more junk mail. Tom C - Original Message - From: "William Robb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? Except I'm not giving permission to publish... Hopwfully, they respect that. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine should be
I have always liked this site a lot: http://www.lostamerica.com/lostframe.html Not my site, but I certainly wish it was... Todd At 08:10 PM 4/12/01 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I have acquired a very nice lady friend and agent who'd like to design a web page for my photography. She is about to complete a course in web page design basics, and she wants to get a web page up for me quickly, because I have an exhibition in early June, and she wants me to have a web presence prior to and during the exhibition. She's even arranged for a local TV station to do a segment on me and my photography on a local show that showcases "talented (read: "undiscovered") local artists and eccentric characters" I think I qualify under both parameters I think I must have done something good in a previous life to run into this Lady Anyways, here's the deal: She would like for me to find a web site I like and in a style that would be appropriate for show casing my work. I'm not talking about plagiarism, guys. She would just like to see what other photographers have done to get ideas for layout and format. Then, as time permits, she and I will get together on a style that is more original and more personal. But she thinks (and I agree) that a web presence is essential in today's market. An address to my site that we could include on our invitations and flyers regarding the exhibition. So, help me out here, group! If you think your site is Boss, or you know of someone else's, please tell me. I promise not to steal, just to get ideas; and probably just temporary as we work on a permanent site. Thanks a million for your help, Sid B - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
aimcompute wrote: 2) The book is 8 x 11, H Must be a book for small coffee tables. :-) -frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
New lens
My SMC-M 135mm f1:3.5 came in the mail today! I'm stoked. My Pentax family is looking good: FA 35/2, A 50/1.7, A 50/2, FA 100/2.8, M 135/3.5 (the new kid). :-) Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Artur wrote: But what's wrong about the demand for features? Is autobracketing so difficult to implement? I don't believe it would significantly increase the price. As for the spot metering, mind that I'd like to be able to get reading from the area narrower than the whole viewfinder scene. Even that 9% is better than nothing. MZ-7 is destined for the non-profs (mind its program features). Personally I think those people would far better benefit from the autobracketing or DOF preview or spot (even 9%) metering than from the multiexposure. A camera range like Pentax is targeted at different buyer segments. Saving a buck here and there may be the difference betwee profit and loss. Also, a particular model in the line-up should not canibalize too much of other models. Saving features for certain bodies is a common way to lead customers to more expensive models. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Roland wrote: This is of course very bad for Pentax since they have, in contradiction to Canon and Minolta, choosen the blessed pathway of good build quality and high performance. Built quality force its way into slr design again because of low volumes. The SLR market has shrinked significantly the last 20 years. During that late 80's and 90's the manufacturers compensated for the shrinking volume and increasing developing cost by adding features at lowest possible price resulting in reduced material quality in cameras and lenses. The result was that nobody was making money. Money is in either high volume or high end products. In former category you can make up for a low profit margin by sheer volume; in the latter category you have high profit marging and small volumes. However, the volume is pretty much gone except at the entry level. So except for the entry level you have to make premium products or loos money. Its no coincidence that the Limited lenses and a metal body comes now. I believe one can forget anything remotely like the Z-1p price/feature wise in the future. I feel sorry for Minolta for the Dynaxx 7; it must be a money drain. Some numbers to illustrate the realities. Around the period 77-81 Pentax manufactured 50 000 - 60 000 a month of their most popular SLR's ME/ME-Super. It was said at the time that LX was manufactured at 1/10 of the volume of the ME-Super. That should be about 4 000 - 5 000 a month. In comparison the possibly most popular MZ-Series camera, the MZ-7, was at the introduction manufactured at 7 000 a month. The MZ-5n is now at 3 000 a month. The realities are pretty harsh. Pl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Hi Roland, I'm glad Pentax has taken the path they have, even if their speed on that path is a little slower than ideal. Although I've never held a Minolta body, I have held a few Canons. The Rebels struck me as being almost disposable in quality, if not in price. My ZX-5n feels a little more solid to me, but, truthfully, I'd prefer to have something even more so, could I afford it. The midlevel EOS cameras felt ugly, bulky, and misproportioned in my hands (my hands are large)--I certainly don't want to own or use one. Sometimes I do envy Canon users, but only for one thing--the number of PC lenses they have available. Fortunately, I can live with that level of envy. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] After following the latest threads with complaints about the features in various Pentax SLR's (MZ-S, MZ-7 etc.) it's clear to me that the majority of users wants features, features and nothing but features. Performance and build quality is of 2nd concern. This is of course very bad for Pentax since they have, in contradiction to Canon and Minolta, choosen the blessed pathway of good build quality and high performance. All, but the most expensive cameras, are a compromise between build quality, performance, features - and price. This is because everything cost money and a maker has to decide very carefully about what to concentrate on without raising the price. Take for example the MZ-7 vs Canon EOS 300 and Minolta 505Si. Now, tests in Practical Photography (uk), and in other magazines, has clearly showned that Pentax is the winner when it comes to performance and build quality, while the Canon and Minolta wins the feature race. Nikon is a strange mix between advanced features and strange omissions (like the abscense of remote controlled shutter release). The Pentax MZ-7 has both the fastest AF and the fastest winder in it's class. It has metal reinforcements where the competition uses plastic instead. Of course Pentax could have put in spot meter and auto bracketing in the MZ-7, but in order to avoid a price raise - they would be forced to slow down the autofocus by using a simpler and less expensive AF motor, they would also be forced to remove some of the expensive metal and replace it with cheap plastic. And hey, welcome the new Pentax 300 (or is it Pentax 505Si?). Same story with the MZ-S. Minolta Dynax 7 is a feature filled camera - but it lacks the smoothness, the build quality and the exact performance of the MZ-S. Hyundai or Mercedes? It's an easy choice for me... If the Dynax 7 had the build quality of the MZ-S, it would be much more expensive than the MZ-S. Compare the Dynax 7 to the Dynax 9 and discover that the Dynax 7 wins the feature race, but the Dynax 9 has much better build quality (and a much higher price tag). Pentax is all about quality and performance. If one believes that features is of more importance, then choose Canon or Minolta instead. If you care about quality and performance, then go Pentax. Best regards, -- Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.algonet.se/~rolamo - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
Tom, On your offer to buy a 2x3 inch copy of 'YOUR PHOTO' published in an 8x10 inch 'BOOK' for only $69.95... Scam, Sham, and Spam if you ask me. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
They seem somewhat less interested in the quality of their book than the color of your money...:-) Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
That cuts right to the quick Bob! Pretty astute! Tom C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? Tom, On your offer to buy a 2x3 inch copy of 'YOUR PHOTO' published in an 8x10 inch 'BOOK' for only $69.95... Scam, Sham, and Spam if you ask me. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
Ha! I hadn't thought of that Frank. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Frank Theriault" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Scam or Sham? aimcompute wrote: 2) The book is 8 x 11, H Must be a book for small coffee tables. :-) -frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
For the complete story, have a look at: http://wind.wind.org/ilp.htm This talks mainly about the International Library of Poetry, but it has links to some photo sites at the bottom that are run by the same company. Picture.com is one of them. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
Holy shit, I just went to picture.com and looked at their publications. They're popping out an anthology of winners once a week on average! There's more than 50 books of "winners" from 2000 alone. Can you imagine the money they must be raking in? Hey, I think I'm starting an International Library of PDML Photos. Send in your most awful shots, and they might be winners... everyone will be a semi-finalist at least! :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I've never held a Minolta body, I have held a few Canons. The Rebels struck me as being almost disposable in quality, if not in price. My ZX-5n feels a little more solid to me, but, truthfully, I'd prefer to have something even more so, could I afford it. If you get your hands on a used KX or K2 you'll probably never want to let go of it. I speak from experience ;) Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Tele-Zoom Opinions?
I was just perusing the Photodo Photozone tele-zoom (70/80 - 300 range) reviews and found the following: (higher, generally better) Photodo- Pentax FA 80-320/4.5-5.6 = 2.5 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 DL MS = 2.9 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 AP M = 2.4 Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6 LD =2.4 Photozone- Pentax FA 80-320/4.5-5.6 =3.01 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 DL MS = 2.17 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 APO M = 2.60 No Tamron listed I know all these different reviews are hard to compare, but its really confusing to see one case where the Sigma DL lens outperforms the Sigma APO lens, and another just the opposite and also where the Pentax 80-320 is somewhere in between. In general, what have folks' experiences been w/ any of these lenses? The consistent best performer in tests has been the Tokina ATX 100-300 but that's quite expensive and quite heavy. thanks! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
International Library of PDML Photography
The ILPP is accepting applications for the many editorial positions available. If you wish to be considered as a semi-finalist for these positions, please send $49.99 US to my mailing address. If you do not know this address, you can request it for a nominal Informational Fee of $19.99 US. For an additional $49.99 US you can request a copy of the "Who's Who's Guide to Editorial Applicants." This delightful volume will provide the names of everyone who applies and succeeds in becoming a semi-finalist. As an editor, you would be responsible for ensuring that every photo submitted to the contest becomes a semi-finalist. In addition to this duty, you would be required to promote our weekly anthologies of Fine Photography, and to purchase the remaining anthologies if sales fail to meet projections. Good luck! C. J. Brogden, D.O.P.E. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tele-Zoom Opinions?
K C wrote: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:35:22 From: "K C" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tele-Zoom Opinions? I was just perusing the Photodo Photozone tele-zoom (70/80 - 300 range) reviews and found the following: (higher, generally better) Photodo- Pentax FA 80-320/4.5-5.6 = 2.5 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 DL MS = 2.9 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 AP M = 2.4 Tamron AF 70-300/4-5.6 LD =2.4 Photozone- Pentax FA 80-320/4.5-5.6 =3.01 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 DL MS = 2.17 Sigma AF 70-300/4-5.6 APO M = 2.60 No Tamron listed I know all these different reviews are hard to compare, but its really confusing to see one case where the Sigma DL lens outperforms the Sigma APO lens, and another just the opposite and also where the Pentax 80-320 is somewhere in between. In general, what have folks' experiences been w/ any of these lenses? The consistent best performer in tests has been the Tokina ATX 100-300 but that's quite expensive and quite heavy. thanks! I have been using the Sigma 70-300 DL Macro for some time now, bought it on the basis of a magazine review which drew basically the same conclusion as Photodo, the DL version scoring optically better than the APO. I can't compare both lenses myself, but IMO the DL is a very good lens indeed, for its class. The pic on the opening page of my photogallery was made with it (URL below). I have had the same confusion as you lately, looking at the moment for a Pentax standard zoom and comparing ratings and tests. It seems the F(A) 28-80/3.5-4.5 is the one to go for, followed closely by the 28-70/4 AL, but there are contradictionary reviews. Could anybody please comment and/or recommend on this issue? In short, what is the best (apart from the 28-70/2.8) Pentax AF standardzoom at the moment? At while I'm at it, what about the A versions? I think I've read the most positive things about the A 35-70/4. Could this be right? -- Vriendelijke groeten/kind regards, Willem Falhaber Rotterdam, Holland = email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] photogallery: http://home.wanadoo.nl/falh = - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realize that every time I or someone else posts a "spotted: used this or that" link, dozens of you are adding the URL to your bookmarks. So our secrets are oozing out anyway. I do. Maybe, [now that I've finished my lens collection,] it's time we worked together, in the spirit of cooperation. Who's with me? Paul, I've found Jeff Albro's Impact! Guide http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/albro.html useful but too tedious to identify good target shops. My favorites are Charlotte Camera and KEH and I've been to both (even if only to drive by KEH). From my favorites list, the URL's are... http://www.charlottecamera.com/ccamerav1/dir2.icl?secid=0subsecid=35orderide ntifier=ID94227885810959235345571C4F and http://209.35.112.41/shop/class.cfm?bid=PKsid=newusedcrid=562462 (or Maybe www.keh.com and www.charlottecamera.com would be better?) I have also purchased from Cameta (before the internet days) and Camera Direct http://www.cameta.com/ and http://www.camera-direct.com/ I believe Nathan's Camera in the Detroit metro is the same place as American Transphoto(?) that you see on ebay auctions (can't respond Thurs. thru Sundays). http://www.nathancamera.com/pentaxnz.htm I haven't purchased from the following, but check their sites. http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/catalog/cq11.htm http://www.mxv.co.uk/pentax.htm http://www.vintagecameras.co.uk/pentax.htm Oh, and if you see a 28mm f2 or an 85mm f1.8, let me know. G Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Scam or Sham?
I "won" that contest too, even though I never remember entering it. I'll give them credit, the mailing they sent me was very nicely done. But I could still read between the lines, and determined this is a "vanity" publishing scam. The photographer/snapshooter pays for the privilege of getting published, but "published" is not quite the right term to use. More like paying someone to make a print for you, and then they use paper with other people's prints on the sheet also, so they can maximize their revenue-per-page. The six-photos per page layout is really cheesy, and not worth a dime to me. I can print out a beautiful 13x19 glossy wall print for the small cost of a sheet of Epson photo paper plus ink. Most of the sample photos in the ad for the vanity book were snapshots. Including mine. But *my* photo was a *good* snapshot, as opposed to the cute-ducky snapshots I usually take ;-) -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: I need someone to tout their own web page as an example of how mine should be
Be sure to check out Jakob Nielsen's information on website usability at http://www.useit.com/ and http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My decision...
At 06:10 14/04/01, you wrote: David J Brooks wrote: "BTW my prices are $3 per 4x6,$10 per 5x7 $15 per 8x10 and $25 per 11x14 to cheap" David, I don't know what your lab charges, but the prices you just quoted are virtually identical to what my local (non-proff.) lab charges JUST for enlargements. ie if I were to sell any of those shots at the sizes/prices you just mentioned, I would be selling at cost with no allowance even for film. However, from your thread I am assuming that you are making at least something on each of your sales, so I will leave it up to the others who have been advising me to offer their suggestions If you are paying the above prices for re-prints anywhere in Australia you are paying way too much. Take as an example a pro lab here in Perth, Mirage Photographics (www.miragephoto.com.au) who have the following prices for prints: 6x4 $1.00 7x5 $2.40 10x8$5.70 14x11 $12.00 20x16 $23.00 If your local mini-lab is charging above this then you are getting ripped off. :-) Time to find a pro-lab with reasonable prices. Cheers Jon Relax! Take life as it comes, you can't chase the sun, you can't race the wind - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT New List
Here's someting I saw on the Leica list, and it may apeal to some of you (us) gearheads out there. Its a list about optics and testing. The guy who is starting the list is a very serious tester, and he has a great website about optics in general and Leica optics in particular. Here's the intro from the man himself: After considerable thought, I have finally decided to create my own list. It is focussed on the quest for and study of high quality photographic imagery. There is so much information and experience about this topic (also known as image clarity or the imaging chain) at other lists like Minox, Olympus or Pentax, that is being disregarded or mis-interpreted, but is of high relevance to the pursuit of optimizing the optical-mechanical-chemical potential of the analogue photographic process. Anyone can post to the list, using whatever make of camera, but my personal contributions will be Leica-biased. There is only one requirement I wish to address: if you post results, make sure there is a solid scientific basis for your results. I would prefer this list to contain the most substantiated and trustworthy facts about this most fascinating and rewarding topic. As I am aware that the quest for ultimate image quality transgresses the borders of camera companies, I would hope that this list can present facts that are rewarding to anyone who is in the same area of interest and can accept that most current photographic companies do deliver products that need an objective assessment to be used in the most rewarding way. It is my conviction that the joy of photography is to be found in the result, not the instrument. I am also convinced that the use of the Leica camera (M and R) can enhance this joy considerably, but only when the operator has an open eye to the general optical, physical, chemical and engineering basics that govern any photographic process and the way Leica has implemented these facts and theories. The wealth of knowledge that is collected by as example Minox or Hasselblad users, is of interest to anyone in the same area of searching for the ultimate in image quality and I am sure that sharing this knowledge is a worthwhile effort that can benefit all, whatever the choice of camera model. The goal of this list would be to be a forum for ideas and methods for image evaluation and methods and techniques for improving upon the state of the art of image quality, which comprises all aspects of photography from exposure to development and enlargement and choice of materials (films, lenses, cameras, tripods, filters, enlargers, etc). The name of the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erwin I hope to see some of you there... Isaac - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz)
Paul, that one has nice coatings for sure. I`d say it`s multi-coated. There`s just something about those colors, they are beautiful. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Provencher, Paul M." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: RE: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz) FWIW here is one on eBay that is most likely SMC - check the coating colors and S/N - http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1229939152 I have noticed that the S/N is placed differently on the beauty ring with the two SMC versions (and this one shown here) - (S/N following the lens name) vs. the one I had that was not SMC (S/N then lens name) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: Provencher, Paul M. Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:05 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 with SMC? Yes! (Was a thread-drifted RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz) The Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150 (S/N 4391349) was for many years "just" a Super Takumar with traditional Super Takumar coatings. But according to Gerjan van Oosten in "The Ultimate Asahi Pentax Screw Mount Guide http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/907653702X/diecastpro Asahi first used the SMC coating on the Super Takumar-Zoom 1:4.5/70~150. I had a much earlier version with regular coating (light amber). See: http://whitemetal.com/pentax/st_70~150_45/index.htm This one here is definitely SMC'd. I have another that is a little earlier than this one (serial number is a couple thousand lower) and the coating is also SMC. It's too bad this lens is so large - it really is quite nice in spite of that, and with SMC, I expect it will be very usable. I will try to put images up on my site when I can - right now I am behind on two deadlines for Krause and a book deadline besides. Pay first then play! The other one I have needs to have a sticky diaphragm taken care of. It is unmarked and still quite smooth other than the diaphragm, has no tripod ring, hood, case, caps OR attachment lens. So it will probably be sold fairly cheaply (I have sold the plain ST's in complete working order for between $100-$150) Paul M. Provencher (ppro) -Original Message- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fairy pics/Photo Bizz .etc (ppro) happy as a pig in with my "new" ST 70~150 (late SMC version!) - They actually put out a "late" SMC coated version of the ST 70-150 zoom??, never seen nor heard of that one. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fairy pics
Just remember, a living wage is just a little bit more than you make. "Provencher, Paul M." wrote: Suffice to say that it shouldn't take 20 years... But real life does demand an income that keeps up with your lifestyle (I may have that backwards :-). Paul M. Provencher (ppro) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 vs. Pentax 135 and 200mm telephotos: f/stop, brightness shootout
Sorry if this is a duplicate, I think the first one got lost. Paul, Interesting results. The early VS1`s just always seemed bright to me. I think the lens manufacturers in the old days did not "fudge" the f values as much as they do today, and the old VS1`s used some big gnarly glass. Thanks for checking it out. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: Vivitar Series 1 vs. Pentax 135 and 200mm telephotos: f/stop, brightness shootout Steve, At Steve Larson's request, I compared my Vivitar Series 1 135/2.3 and 200/3.0 screwmount telephotos against my Pentax K-mount f/2.5s at the same ISO and f/stop. It appears that the Vivitars are "brighter"--that is, they delivered a faster shutter speed at the same f/stop. For the 200s, I used ISO 1000 and f/4. I aimed at a variety of targets in my basement. About half the time, the Vivitar beat the Pentax by 1 stop in my Super Program readout. The other half the time, the readouts were the same. That suggests the Vivitar is a half-stop brighter, f/stop for f/stop, so that its f/3 is as bright as a Pentax 2.5, since f/2.5 is 0.33 stop faster than f/2.8. For the record, the Vivitar uses a 72mm filter; the Pentax, a 77. For the 135s, I probably didn't use as reliable a method. ISO remained at 1000. But I set each lens to its maximum f/stop. Result? About 80 percent of the time, the Vivitar delivered a shutter speed that was 1 stop faster. It would be difficult to account for this by an f/2.3 vs. f/2.5 alone. The Vivitar uses a 72mm filter; the Pentax, a 58mm. I repeated the tests by switching cameras. Results were the same. I suspect that the Vivitars' brightness owes in part to the fact that they are only single-coated, and in part to a conservative f/stop claim. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: International Library of PDML Photography
Congratulations C.J. Brogden, D.O.P.E.! In recognition of your achievements, and the excellence of the ILPP (International Library of PDML Photography), you have been nominated for inclusion in the prestigious Who's Who of SFVPO (Sucker Fleecing Vanity Publications Organizations). However, deadlines are tight and we need your permission to include in your name and vital statistics in our Official Limited Edition Semi-weekly Faux Leatherlike Simulated Vinyl Binder of Nominees. Won't your friends and colleagues be amazed to see your name in print! Please hurry to send your authorization for inclusion and vital statistics to Who's Who SFVPO now! Also, because this is a limited edition, reserve* YOUR copy of the Official Limited Edition Semi-Weekly Faux Leatherlike Simulated Vinyl Binder of Nominees now! Congratulations! Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] *remit only $4.95 per copy plus $75.00 sh to SFVPO. Limited time offer which may be rescinded due to limited participation or unexpected legal expenses, so hurry now! The ILPP is accepting applications for the many editorial positions available. If you wish to be considered as a semi-finalist for these positions, please send $49.99 US to my mailing address. If you do not know this address, you can request it for a nominal Informational Fee of $19.99 US. For an additional $49.99 US you can request a copy of the "Who's Who's Guide to Editorial Applicants." This delightful volume will provide the names of everyone who applies and succeeds in becoming a semi-finalist. As an editor, you would be responsible for ensuring that every photo submitted to the contest becomes a semi-finalist. In addition to this duty, you would be required to promote our weekly anthologies of Fine Photography, and to purchase the remaining anthologies if sales fail to meet projections. Good luck! C. J. Brogden, D.O.P.E. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Features vs. build quality
- Original Message - Dan Scott wrote: Sometimes I do envy Canon users, but only for one thing--the number of PC lenses they have available. Fortunately, I can live with that level of envy. to which Bill Robb replied: Buy a view camera, they are cheaper and better for doing what the PC lens is supposed to do. I second Bill's statement. I've got a friend with a couple of the PC lenses. They're nowhere as good as his large format gear. (Enabling mode on) But I do recall seeing a Pentax 28/3.5 shift lens on ebay : ) Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FS: A*85/1.4 Hood
Shel wrote: This one's a beauty - as close to new as I've seen. BH sells this puppy for $53.00. I'll let this one go for $40.00 + $3.50 for priority shipping within the US - slightly more for other areas. Please contact me off list if interested. Great! The lens comes with it right? ; ) Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New lens
Nice lens, compact, and dirt cheap. I have two of them now, I bought a nice one for $46 on eBay a while back, and then I got one with the ME I bought. I guess I can't have too many, now can I? If you like the 135mm, another gem from the M series is the M 28mm F3.5, which is also an inexpensive lens. Todd Thanks Todd. I'll add it to my list. g Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Mystery lens - Sigma 28mm, F2.8 macro, manual focus, PK mount
Thanks Paul. I've gotten some other feedback from some happy campers. It appears it's a decent lens. thnx again, Martin. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's called the Mini Wide II Macro. In 1999 one of them sold for $65 in EX at KH. That's all I know; I don't have any specs or date of introduction. But it continued to be sold long after the 28/2.8 was introduced in the early or mid 90s. You might still find them new. Sigma designs many of its lenses to shoot a 1:4 magnification or better, so I suspect that this lens is a 1:4 or at best 1:3. Martin Tammer wrote: Would appreciate any information at all about this lens [Sigma 28/2.8 Macro]. Can't find a thing on the Internet. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Upgrade consumer grade bodies!
From: Artur Ledchowski I LOVE Pentax lenses, they're just excellent, even the cheapest ones are far better than those of Minolta for example. I find such generalizations rather amateurish. This is clearly your opinion and not fact. Test results don't bear this out nor due user reports. As someone who owns both systems, I can say that I like my Pentax lenses (K28/3.5. K35/3.5, M50/1.4, K105/2.8). I also like my Maxxum lenses (50/1.7, 100/2.8 Macro, 200/2.8). The optical quality from all my lenses is very good. I've yet to show a print to anyone and have them say, "oh, those weren't shot with your Pentax lenses" due to a performance deficit. Puhhlease... Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tele-Zoom Opinions?
The best bang for the buck in a something-to-300 zoom is the Pentax F 70-210/4-5.6, and a pair of feet. Second best is, I think, is one of the FA 70-200 or 80-200 zooms, I forget which one, accompanied again by a pair of feet. The A* 200/4 Macro and AF 1.7X Adapter makes a pretty good 200-340/f4-6.3 semi-zoom. Another good option is the M 135/3.5 and F* 300/4.5. As you can tell, I don't have much use for cheap something-to-300 zooms, which I believe have diluted the equipment money of many a poor soul who expected much better than they got. The newest list on PDML will be "the seven focal lengths you use the most on your something-to-300 zoom". Let's see, mine would be 82.4mm, 119.86mm, 142.423mm, 174.9984mm, 237.48267mm, and 284.1236547mm. Hmmm... that's only six. Oh well. Maybe I should have bought a 50/1.4 and 135/2.8 and a 2x teleconverter instead, which would result in: 50/1.4, 100/2.8, 135/2.8, and 270/5.6 ...probably all focal lengths being functionally better (and faster!) than any cheap something-to-300 zoom. Add an extension tube and I'd even have a Macro lens in the kit. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Inspiration
I bought a copy about a year ago when I first started playing with 4x5, but it was so expensive (here in Australia) that I couldn't justify it on an ongoing basis. Ten or twelve issues would equal the cost of my Speedgraphic or Calumet monorail (including lenses). Like anything of real quality it is worth the cost, but I want equipment more than (yet) another photo magazine. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia. - Original Message - I just picked up my first copy of "View Camera". What an inspiring journal! Does anyone else look at it? Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT New List
I shot a flower with my new digital camera, and uploaded it to my computer, and my wife says it looks great. So that's scientific enough for me. Put down one vote for the fabulous lens on the Epson PhotoPC 3000Z. I'm pretty sure it is a re-badged Carl Zeiss 7-21mm/f2.0-2.5. Check out the flower at: http://web2.airmail.net/linnm3/pugfrid-a.jpg Actually, the proposed list sounds like group obsessive-compulsive disorder. We qualify to join en masse. -- Pug Friday (the artist formerly known as texdance) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT New List
Nice shot. That same lens is on the DSC-S70 Sony and the Canon G1 digicams. Jeff - Original Message - From: "John Mustarde" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:53 PM Subject: Re: OT New List I shot a flower with my new digital camera, and uploaded it to my computer, and my wife says it looks great. So that's scientific enough for me. Put down one vote for the fabulous lens on the Epson PhotoPC 3000Z. I'm pretty sure it is a re-badged Carl Zeiss 7-21mm/f2.0-2.5. Check out the flower at: http://web2.airmail.net/linnm3/pugfrid-a.jpg Actually, the proposed list sounds like group obsessive-compulsive disorder. We qualify to join en masse. -- Pug Friday (the artist formerly known as texdance) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: International Library of PDML Photography
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Dan Scott wrote: Congratulations C.J. Brogden, D.O.P.E.! In recognition of your achievements, and the excellence of the ILPP (International Library of PDML Photography), you have been nominated for inclusion in the prestigious Who's Who of SFVPO (Sucker Fleecing Vanity Publications Organizations). [snip] If I act now, will I still receive the genuine cubic zirconia cufflinks? C. J. Brogden, Designated Official Publisher / Editor - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: Re: My decision...
Jon Hope wrote: "If you are paying the above prices for re-prints anywhere in Australia you are paying way too much. Take as an example a pro lab here in Perth, Mirage Photographics (www.miragephoto.com.au) who have the following prices for prints: 6x4 $1.00 7x5 $2.40 10x8$5.70 14x11 $12.00 20x16 $23.00 If your local mini-lab is charging above this then you are getting ripped off. :-) Time to find a pro-lab with reasonable prices." John, thankyou so much for this information! Being in Mt Isa, it becomes very easy to "settle" for what is on offer close to home (we are extremely isolated). I have researched a variety of QLD labs and their prices have never been more than 1 or 2 dollars cheaper than here, so I never worried about it considering postage and time delays etc. The lab here charges the following prices: 4x6$1.00 (less if there is more than 10) 5x7$5.95 6x8$5.95 (yep, same as 5x7, as apparently they "use the same paper". 8x10 $12.95 8x12 $29.95 11x14 (I'm not game enough to ask!) Mirage photo in Subiaco has just found itself a new customer! (btw, I used to live in Subiaco!) fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Super Program Exposure Dial: Two Kinds
I just noticed something about my three SPs: On two of them, the markings go 400 800 ... 1600. On the third (serial number 1358162), the markings go 400 ... 1000 ... 1600. Click stops are in 1/3 steps on both varieties. I don't know how the serial numbers relate between the Super Program and Super A , but my Super A has the 1000 stop, with three intermediates between 400 and 1000 and one intermediate between 1000 and 1600. Serial number is 1391297. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT New List
Wow. The Cult of Sharpness now has a home, and a spiritual leader. All hail. At 9:19 PM -04004/13/01, Isaac Crawford caused thus to appear: Here's someting I saw on the Leica list, and it may apeal to some of you (us) gearheads out there. Its a list about optics and testing. The guy who is starting the list is a very serious tester, and he has a great website about optics in general and Leica optics in particular. Here's the intro from the man himself: After considerable thought, I have finally decided to create my own list. It is focussed on the quest for and study of high quality photographic imagery. There is so much information and experience about this topic (also known as image clarity or the imaging chain) at other lists like Minox, Olympus or Pentax, that is being disregarded or mis-interpreted, but is of high relevance to the pursuit of optimizing the optical-mechanical-chemical potential of the analogue photographic process. Anyone can post to the list, using whatever make of camera, but my personal contributions will be Leica-biased. There is only one requirement I wish to address: if you post results, make sure there is a solid scientific basis for your results. I would prefer this list to contain the most substantiated and trustworthy facts about this most fascinating and rewarding topic. As I am aware that the quest for ultimate image quality transgresses the borders of camera companies, I would hope that this list can present facts that are rewarding to anyone who is in the same area of interest and can accept that most current photographic companies do deliver products that need an objective assessment to be used in the most rewarding way. It is my conviction that the joy of photography is to be found in the result, not the instrument. I am also convinced that the use of the Leica camera (M and R) can enhance this joy considerably, but only when the operator has an open eye to the general optical, physical, chemical and engineering basics that govern any photographic process and the way Leica has implemented these facts and theories. The wealth of knowledge that is collected by as example Minox or Hasselblad users, is of interest to anyone in the same area of searching for the ultimate in image quality and I am sure that sharing this knowledge is a worthwhile effort that can benefit all, whatever the choice of camera model. The goal of this list would be to be a forum for ideas and methods for image evaluation and methods and techniques for improving upon the state of the art of image quality, which comprises all aspects of photography from exposure to development and enlargement and choice of materials (films, lenses, cameras, tripods, filters, enlargers, etc). The name of the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erwin I hope to see some of you there... Isaac -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: FS: A*85/1.4 Hood
Mark Dalal wrote: Great! The lens comes with it right? ; ) Shoot! I boxed it up and sent it to the buyer but forgot to remove the lens! Do you think the buyer will mind - it cost extra postage. I suppose the next thing to go will be the case for the durn thing ... got no use for it now. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: My decision...
Just looked at a map. You really are off the beaten track aren't you? Tanya wrote: John, thank you so much for this information! Being in Mt Isa, it becomes very easy to "settle" for what is on offer close to home (we are extremely isolated). fairy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT New List
Pug Friday writes: Check out the flower at: http://web2.airmail.net/linnm3/pugfrid-a.jpg Actually, the proposed list sounds like group obsessive-compulsive disorder. We qualify to join en masse. -- Pug Friday (the artist formerly known as texdance) Flower is not to shabby for a digital! Can you sing in a high falsetto too? Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
