Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film

2001-11-22 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Recent threads have got me to thinkin' about this new-fangled colour
 film.  BW film generally has but one layer, and color film has three or
 four layers.  Now, when one focuses, does all the light converge on one
 plane?

This is something which has intrigued me since the introduction
of apo lenses.  Assumedly, film manufacturers are striving to
create better colour, etc, and thereby causing the film to
become marginally thicker.  Contrariwise, lens manufacturers are
convincing us that we should be buying lenses which focus light
of all colours in the same plane.

A paradox of the first order, unless.  the margins of error
are so small as to be unnoticable.  No, perish the thought that
this could all be marketing speak!

mike
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Mike Johnston wrote:
 
 But here's the real rub for your argument. IF you could see a full-color
 proof the size of your computer monitor for each shot you took, would you
 really need to print every single photograph you shot? If you could somehow
 preview your 24-exposure roll before you had it processed and printed at the
 Wal-Mart, do you think you'd still ask them to process and print each and
 every frame? 

Here's an interesting experience:  go to Poland (and maybe many
other cost-conscious countries) and go to the local Kodak
Express or other processor.  Watch people get their processed
roll of negative and hold it up to the light to choose which
frames they get printed, as prints are charged per unit.  Watch
the family point (hard, with sharp fingernails) to the ones
_they_ want printing.  Then watch the prints being made,
everything paid for and then the negative strip (whole film
still) rolled up _really_ tight and wrapped in newspaper, for
safe keeping.

Keeps me amused for hours..

mike
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First tripod

2001-11-22 Thread Michael Henry

I have a feeling I'll be getting a tripod this Christmas ;)

This will be my first tripod, but that doesn't mean I'm after a
cheap one; I'm willing to spend a bit more to get one that will
last my whole photographic career (up to £100). I'm based in the
U.K., and am currently just looking at the Jessops catalog.
(BTW, Are Jessops' own brand tripods ok?)

Any tips/advice/money greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

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FA* 200/4 Macro vs. A* 200/4 Macro (WAS: Re: pentax 200mm f/4 macro)

2001-11-22 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Jonathan wrote:


They are ~not~ optically identical, and I
have no idea how the FA* compares to the A*.



The FA* is slightly sharper. Both are superb and offer great bokeh. The FA* 
is heavier but offer much better handling due to inner focusing . AF also 
works great for macro with the MZ-S.

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Re: Mz-S Battery Drain - where the juice goes...

2001-11-22 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Rob wrote:

Which type of cap is this? The MZ-S is supplied with the push-on style body
cap, given the propensity of these to pop off I simply replaced it with 
what I
thought was a universal Pentax K-mount cap (which causes the index lamp
to remain illuminated).


It's a the cap Pentax currently offer it you order one. Not the type that 
follow the new cameras but similar to the old bayonet type offered with the 
LX, with the exception that the new one locks into place just like a lens 
does. This means that you have to press the bayonet release button in order 
to remove the lens cap from the body.

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New AF360FGZ flash; Problems?

2001-11-22 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

I received this from a fellow in Hong Kong:

One disappointing feature I've found out in the new flash is that there
is no auto flash exposure compensation for bodies older than MZ-S, such
as my MZ-50. It is because the function can only be activated on P-TTL
mode. Flash output level can only be altered at manual mode in older
bodies. Other features like high-speed sync. also not works for the
older bodies. For older bodies users, the new flash seems to me that it
doesn't offer anything extra to the old AF550FTZ flash. But I am not
sure whether I have used the new flash in a proper way or there is any
other tricks to bypass the restriction.
I should be grateful if you would check with the other PDML users whom
have got the new flash whether my observation is true or not. Thanks!
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Re: Any one used Acupan?

2001-11-22 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Wednesday, November 21, 2001, 9:39:21 PM, Paul wrote:
PJ Hi,

PJ I'm looking for comments on Acupan 200 and 800, my local film supplier has
PJ stopped stocking it and is selling it all of quite cheaply, so if it was any
PJ good i was going to pick some up.
PJ It comes in little packs with developer and fixer or just in normal single
PJ rolls.
PJ Is the developer and fixer it comes with worth using?

Hi,
   Acupan sold by Patterson is simply rebadged Foma film Fomapan T. I
   know it well because it is made in my country. I tried out
   extensively Fomapan T800, and simply - it sucks. It is just 640
   film (like the Fuji 1600 is also only ~640, and TMZ is ~1000), that's not a problem
   though. Problem is ugly grain in most developers and bad pushing.
   HP5+ is much better, I regulary use HP5+ at 800 iso without _any_
   degradation from 400 iso speed. But one reviewer I trust quite liked the
   film in Pattersons' Varispeed developer, so you may try it in it.

   Fomapan T200, OTOH, is very nice film. Try it out in Xtol 1+3, do a
   series of exposures shot at 125,160,200 iso. One of them should work best
   for you. Also try it out in Microphen, 1+1 or 1+3, at 160 and 200
   iso. I have some nice 30x40cm blowups on it, without any problems.

   Just now, I like to use Fomapan 100, developed in Microphen 1+1,
   which, when spotmetered, captures a suprisingly wide range of shadows and
   highlights. It also has crisp but small grain, 30x40cm without
   problems and bigger of course possible too (but 30x40 is my current
   limit on easel and trays. Which is fun - I rarely print smaller in
   BW :)

   I don't know about the developer and fixer it comes with, but if
   it's Patterson's FX39, it's said it's _the_ developer for Acupan
   200. Or try Xtol and Microphen.

   Any Thiosulfide ammonium fixer is good, use the cheapest available
   (don't use the old non-rapid fixers, though, they are less
   permitting on overfixing)

   
   Frantisek




Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: Is PUG down, or is it me?

2001-11-22 Thread frank theriault

William Robb wrote:

 I have it coming in, but it is slow tonight. I have an email in
 with Igor. I am sure it is a short term situation.
 William Robb
 PUG Gallery Maintainer

Woke up this morning, and it's coming in fine, Bill.  Thanks for your
response, and your efforts!

-frank


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 From: frank theriault
 Subject: Is PUG down, or is it me?

  Damn!  I was finally gonna get to doing my critiques tonight -
 the
  Tragically Hip is on the stereo real loud, and I got a
 cigarette going -
  and I can't get into PUG.  Anyone else having the same problem
 (with
  PUG, not with smoking or listening to great Canadian rock
 bands), or is
  it just me?
 
  regards,
  frank
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bidpay.com

2001-11-22 Thread Ed

Hi,
 Does anyone here have experience with bidpay?  They say it's OK to
send the goods once they send you the 2'nd confirmation e-mail, because
that means the check has been mailed.  Is this true from anyone here's
experience?

Thanks,
Ed
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Re: Pentax lens on Gold Coast - FWIW

2001-11-22 Thread Rfsindg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 There was an SMC Pentax-M 28mm f2.8 lens which they wanted AUD$120 for.
  ...snip...
 (but please let me know if the 2.8 is a particularly good lens ;) 

Rob,

Just the opposite.  It's a dog.  Wait for a K28/3.5.

Regards,  Bob S.
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OT: Interpolation (Was Re: The true cost of free digital?)

2001-11-22 Thread Francis Tang

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:02:31PM -0500, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 09:43  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  When I speak about medium format digital, I mean (or meant to say) film 
  to
  drum scanned medium format. I was astonished at the size of the files 
  when I
  had my 6x7 negs scanned the first time. They eat up ZIP 250 disks.
 
 Our little Polaroid SprintScan 120 (which was $4000 CDN) puts out files 
 in the neighborhood of 200 megs from 6x7.  I love it.  Set to 8000dpi 
 interpolated and 48 bit colour, the file size is up over a gig!  More 
 information than I can use with my printer, but that's a good thing.

Question unrelated to cost of digital: what's the purpose of
interpolation in the scanner, versus interpolating/resampling on the
computer?

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Re: developing tri-x in ilfosol-s

2001-11-22 Thread Francis Tang

Dear Geordie,

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:36:29PM -0800, Geordie wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone could tell me a developing time for tri-x 400 film
 in Ilford Ilfosol-S developer?

I used to use Ilfosol S for my Ilford film, but I wasn't really
satisfied when using it with HP5.  I tried LC29 (maybe called HC-D in
the US) and have never looked back.  If you have the curiosity, maybe
you might want to try this developer too.  In use it's just like
Ilfosol S (except for dilutions and timings.)

Frank.

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Re: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, andNew-FangledColor Film)

2001-11-22 Thread Lon Williamson

Rob Brigham wrote:
 
 I think you are confusing this with 'Aspherical' - shape of lenses to
 correct aberrations.
 The Sigma APO refers to a lens coating rather than lens design.

You're probably right about the aspherical, but Sigma identifies
the number of APO elements in their lenses, so I'm guessing
that coating alone is not quite right.  Unless only a few
elements get special coating?

Everytime I talk about the technical stuff, I feel like a 13 year old
boy discussing women.  Grin.

-Lon
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Re: Help with LX metering issue

2001-11-22 Thread Lon Williamson

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I finally joined the dream (LX) team, enabled by a
 PDMLer of course. :-)
 
 I am now in the paranoiac phase where I see sticky
 mirrors and problems everywhere. Well, I have ruled
 out sticky mirror, but there is a strange behaviour in
 Automatic mode that I would like to check with you.
 
 In automatic mode and low speed, there is a difference
 between the speed indicated in the viewfinder and the
 actual speed when shooting (always lower when
 shooting, 1 or even 2 stops). I don't know if this
 happens in higher speeds, since I can't distinguish
 between 1/60 and 1/125. My tests are always around 1,
 1/2, 1/4, 1/8… easy to differentiate by hearing it.
 So, my test are always in low light conditions and
 'border line' situations, meaning, a little variation
 of the camera position changes the viewfinder
 indication.
 
 Do you think there is something wrong?
 What kind of test can I made to make sure that I have
 to repair it?

I'm guessing, having never used an LX, that what you're
seeing is a) a stepless shutter in action  --- coupled with
b) a display that doesn't show shutter speed at fine resolution.

Therefore, for example, the display might show 1/8 but the shutter
is firing at anywhere between, say, 1/6 to 1/12.

Any LXers want to jump in here?
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Re: Teleconverter w. FA*80-200/2.8?

2001-11-22 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:35:18 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

I just discovered that my Sigma EX APO teleconverter (the 2x one) won't
work with my SMC-FA*80-200/2.8 (either the elements of the teleconverter
extend too far forward or the elements of the lens extend too far back;
I'm going to let them argue amongst themselves as to which is actually the
case).

The Pentax 1.7x AF converter works fine. Can anyone recommend a good 1.4x
TC?
I'd like to try the Sigma EX APO 1.4x since the 2x is so good, but I'm hesitant
to buy it given the problem with the 2x and this lens. I have the 2x mainly
for use with my 300mm prime but I'd definitely want a 1.4x to be usable
with the 80-200 zoom.

Hi Mark,

I have 3 Sigma converters, the 1.4x and 2x APO and a 'normal' 1.4x
The 1.4x will probably have the same problem, it is only slightly better in this 
aspect!

I just measured the clearing between the K-mount flange and TC front-lens for all:

STD 1.4x8.5 mm
APO 1.4x  1.9 mm
APO 2x 1.4 mm

So while the 2x APO is worst, the 1.4x is not far behind.

The STD 1.4x would not be a problem, but lacks optical quality compared to the others.

Regards, Jan van Wijk
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Re: Help with LX metering issue

2001-11-22 Thread Rfsindg

Jaume,

No, I don't think there is anything wrong with your LX.
What you describe is standard operating procedure.
The LX reads off the film.
Mine often seems a bit longer than it said on the meter,
when shooting at 1/2 sec or slower.

Go shoot some film in the dark and stop worrying!
And remember, the LX is smarter than the MZ-M.

Regards,  Bob S.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 In automatic mode and low speed, there is a difference
 between the speed indicated in the viewfinder and the
 actual speed when shooting (always lower when
 shooting, 1 or even 2 stops). I don't know if this
 happens in higher speeds, since I can't distinguish
 between 1/60 and 1/125. My tests are always around 1,
 1/2, 1/4, 1/8… easy to differentiate by hearing it.
 So, my test are always in low light conditions and
 'border line' situations, meaning, a little variation
 of the camera position changes the viewfinder
 indication.
 
 Using my MZ-M in the same condition and same lens
 produces a similar reading, but it seems a more
 'stable' indication, and there is no difference with
 the actual shooting speed (I know that it is a
 completely different technology, though). Also, the
 MZ-M has 1/2 stop steps.
 
 IMPORTANT: I first tested without film but after I did
 it WITH an exposed film loaded. (because I have read
 that 'dry' shooting can produce this error). I also
 tried moving the ISO dial as indicated in Rob
 Studdert's web site, in case there is some dirt inside
 that produces a false reading.
 
 Do you think there is something wrong?
 What kind of test can I made to make sure that I have
 to repair it?
 In case there is something broken, is it an expensive
 repair?
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RE: Help with LX metering issue

2001-11-22 Thread HUDERER Bernd

Hi,

try it with another lens !
The viewfinder tells you the result of the calculation regarding the
incoming light and the aperture simulation resistor. If the closed aperture
is not according to the resistor value, the LX will control a different
shutter speed, because the final shutter speed is controlled after the
aperture closed and the shutter opened. I had this happen with one lens, but
the pictures came out OK ! That's one of the big advantages of the LX. 
If the problem remains also with another lens, I suppose the resistor of the
aperture simulation is not OK.
On the other hand your MZ-M gives the same metering. Are the pictures with
the MZ-M and this lens correct exposed ? But a real quotation would be only
possible with slide film, I think.

good luck for testing

regards
Bernd

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
...
 In automatic mode and low speed, there is a difference
 between the speed indicated in the viewfinder and the
 actual speed when shooting (always lower when
 shooting, 1 or even 2 stops). I don't know if this
 happens in higher speeds, since I can't distinguish
 between 1/60 and 1/125. My tests are always around 1,
 1/2, 1/4, 1/8... easy to differentiate by hearing it.
 So, my test are always in low light conditions and
 'border line' situations, meaning, a little variation
 of the camera position changes the viewfinder
 indication.
 
 Using my MZ-M in the same condition and same lens
 produces a similar reading, but it seems a more
 'stable' indication, and there is no difference with
 the actual shooting speed (I know that it is a
 completely different technology, though). Also, the
 MZ-M has 1/2 stop steps.
 
 IMPORTANT: I first tested without film but after I did
 it WITH an exposed film loaded. (because I have read
 that 'dry' shooting can produce this error). I also
 tried moving the ISO dial as indicated in Rob
 Studdert's web site, in case there is some dirt inside
 that produces a false reading.
 
 Do you think there is something wrong?
 What kind of test can I made to make sure that I have
 to repair it?
 In case there is something broken, is it an expensive
 repair?
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Re: Pixel Reserves

2001-11-22 Thread Rfsindg

Bill,

Easy for you to say that now...

In 20 or 30 years, the sheepherders in Greenland will be sending their kids 
to the London School of Economics and somebody will decide that they should 
form a cartel and start charging whatever the market will bear for those 
pixels.

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Shel wrote:
  
  Yeah, but in 30 years, when there are no more pixels, what'll we do?
  We're using pixels at an alarming rate!  At some point we'll run out.
  
not to worry, Shelthey just discovered a huge reserve
of pure pixels under Greenland - enuf to last for eternity
and they'll be too cheap to meter once the technology bugs
get worked out regarding getting them to the surface.
 
... it's my Friday  !8^D
 
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Re: TTL multiflash with METZ

2001-11-22 Thread Len Paris

They were just trying to protect their hair and eyebrows from
the flash.
The camera had already been focussed and the picture composed.
A slight
over-dump of flash powder could leave the photographer himself
smokin'
unless he was careful.  I don't know this first hand, but a
teacher I had as
a young lad gave me this explanation.  He ignited just a bit of
flash powder
for a demonstration, too.  After seeing that, the explanation
seemed pretty
reasonable.

Len
---

 - like the old time photographers with head under the
 largeformat focusing hood of their 5x7 or larger camera,
holding
 with one hand above the camera a bracket with
flashpowder...

 Smile!

 I have seen pictures depicting this. But since there is no way
you can see
 through a view camera once the film holder is inserted, it is
not very
 realistic.

 --graywolf
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Re: ZX-10

2001-11-22 Thread Len Paris

  Dear All,
 
  Can anyone tell me if the panoramic switch on the ZX-10 does
 anything
  except mask off the top  bottom of the negative (a la APS).
 It doesn't do
  real panoramic photos does it?

 Thats all it does. But worse. It actually masks the film,
 whereas with APS, we mask the print.
 William Robb

Hmmm.  I didn't know that.  So I guess that, if the customer
wanted the full
print from a particular panoramic, you could do that for him.
Does that
mean that all of the negs are shot in full frame but it's just
the setup data
recorded on the data stripe that determines how they are
printed?

I have never really delved into APS to see how the cameras
worked
because I have had no interest in working with film formats
smaller
than 35mm.

Len
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Re: MX Focusing Screens

2001-11-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I think you're a good guesser ;-))

HUDERER Bernd wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 the internal meter gets more light and controls a shorter shutter speed, so
 your pictures will be under exposed.
 Of course, that's just a wild guess ! ;-)

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Re: Halftone Screens from Inkjet Printers?

2001-11-22 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

I have postscript software for my Epson 1200. I bought it so that I
could print Quark documents. It does that, but the color management is
completely different, and I haven't been able to come close to the
quality I can achieve printing PhotoShop pictures.
Paul Stenquist

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
 On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 07:25  PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
 
  So you need a PostScript RIP for an Ethernet capable inkjet printer to
  emulate the any types of half-tone screening that would generally be
  applied
  to conventional chemical proofs/press output?
 
 They tried to sell us a RIP with our Epson 7500...for a truly insane
 amount of money, considering the cost of the printer itself.
 
 -Aaron
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Thanksgiving Greetings ...

2001-11-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff

... and best wishes for a great and happy holiday.
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Re: You get what you pay for - (reels)

2001-11-22 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

I bought some Hewes reels as well after reading about them here. Another
great example of how valuable this list can be.
Paul


 
 Delano M. wrote:
 
  Well, I finally went out and shelled out $21 for a Hewes developing reel -
  about $10 more than the ones I previously purchased.  All I can say is WOW
  what a difference!  Rolling the film on there the first time was like
  buttah.  

Mike Johnston wrote:

 Very pleased to hear this. Now cheap digicams may not, but those reels
 really *WILL* last a lifetime, literally, so take good care of them.
 
 Good going Delano--
 
 --Mike
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

My boss is a devoted sports photographer who was spending a huge amount
of money on Ilfochrome prints at a very good custom lab. I asked him to
let me see a sheet of his transparencies. I scanned them on our Agfa
Duoscan T2500 at 4000 dpi, then printed the 50 meg images on Ilford Fine
Art paper in my Epson 1200. When I handed hime the 10 x 7 prints, he was
absolutely blown away. The images were crisper and more vibrant than his
Ilfochromes. The very next day he bought an Epson 1280, a new G4 880
Mac, and a Nikon film scanner. (He makes an obscene amount of money, the
bastard. I billed him for the half dozen sheets of that expensive paper
:-) 
Paul

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Mike ...
 
 If you mean using digital cameras, well, I'm not particularly interested
 at this point.  Digital cameras don't work properly for much of my
 photography.  However, I do scan some of my work and put it up for all
 to see, and it's quite possible that, given a good photograph and a good
 negative and a good scan, I may have a digital print made. Actually, I
 intend to do just that, and have already contacted a couple of places to
 get an idea of what's required for a high end print.
 
 Also, although it's a cheap one, I've been using a digital camera longer
 than it seems you have, albeit for entirely different purposes.
 
 Mike Johnston wrote:
 
  But while we're on the subject of changing viewpoints, I think what you (and
  Shel and Mafud and Christian etc.) are forgetting is that I was just like
  you a year ago. I was saying all the same things, making all the same
  arguments.
 
  Digital is coming to your lives as photographers, just as it came to mine
  (whether we also stick with film or not). The only difference between any of
  us is WHEN we jump in.
 --
 Shel Belinkoff
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Happy Happy

2001-11-22 Thread Doug Brewer

I'm going out of town for the holiday weekend. Hope all of you find much for which to 
be thankful, especially those here in the States.

Have fun,

Doug
-- 
Douglas Forrest Brewer
Ashwood Lake Photography
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Re: You get what you pay for - (reels)

2001-11-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff

When I found out they were made for Jobo tanks, I grabbed a few myself
after a plastic Jobo reel broke.  They're a good investment in long term
durability, and easier to use than any SS reel I've tried.

PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
 
 I bought some Hewes reels as well after reading about them here. Another
 great example of how valuable this list can be.

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html
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Re: Re: what are the epson tanks?

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

Oh that hurts Mike.Stop hitting me there.

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:27:42 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what are the epson tanks?


 usual cost for all+- $150 Can

Hmm, there goes that Canadian dollar again      :- )

I paid US $53.58 plus shipping for a full set of BCE-6 inks (for the 
Canon
S800) at techstore.com.




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Re: Pancake lens

2001-11-22 Thread PAUL STENQUIST

I acquired a 40mm pancake lens as part of a package that included a K
85/1.8 and an MX. I had intended to sell it, but I took it with me to
Mexico a few weeks ago, since I figured I could use it with the MX as a
very compact package. It was great. I have a pair of shorts with large
pockets that can be fastened shut. I was able to walk through areas rife
with pickpockets and thieves with the camera tucked securely in my
pocket. When I found something to shoot, I could pull it out and work
inconspicuously. And the results appear to be quite good. I may submit a
pancake lens photo for the January PUG. And if I ever get my web site
working, I'll be posting a few. 
Paul

David A. Mann wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
  I had a look at an example of the famous pancake lens this evening.
 
  I have no idea why people pay so much for those things, but I can see how
 they'd be useful on an ME Super.  That'd be almost as small as a rangefinder :)
 
  I'll stick with my 43mm Limited...
 
 Cheers,
 
 - Dave
 
 David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
 
 Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
  while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield
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Re: Help with LX metering issue

2001-11-22 Thread mike wilson

Hi Jaume,

This is normal LX behaviour.  Although it gives you a number in
the viewfinder, in automatic mode it constantly reads the light
reflected off the film and decides from that when the exposure
should end.  You can only change this and get the speed seen in
the viewfinder by selecting manual speeds.

Well-used LX's are the best - they like it rough 8-)

And yes, repairs are expensive.

mike
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MZ-6 Production volumes

2001-11-22 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

My japanese isn't that good but it seems like Pentax settles for a monthly 
production of 10.000 units of the MZ-6. Thats pretty good.
The new flash will be made at a rate of 1000/month.

Sombody posted awhile back that the digital Contax will be made in a volume 
of 1000/month. If true, I think this is a grossly overrated production 
volume. That a $6000+  digital slr will sell 10% of the MZ-6 is not just 
possible in my opinion.

Pål
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Re: OT: Scanning and printing

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:22:49 -0500, you wrote:

After reading much about ink-jet prints etc here I thought I would try
printing my scans on my DeskJet. Equipment as follows:

http://mick.maguire.net/

Check for the following potential problems:

1. Maybe it's a low-resolution file. From your original scan, resample
to the desired print size at a resolution of 300 ppi. 

2. Maybe you have the wrong paper type selected. In the HP Deskjet
Properties dialog, select HP Premium Photo Paper if you want to
print on glossy photo paper. 

3. Maybe the Color tab in the HP Deskjet Properties is set to Manual
and Dither. For photo-type prints, select Auto, or select Manual
- Scatter. (Auto usually prints the color too intense, Manual -
Scatter with the Intensity slider set to midpoint works best for me.)

The HP Deskjet Properties dialog settings may have changed a little. I
am looking at the dialog box from a two year old Deskjet. I have a new
Deskjet at work, and I could check that out after the holiday if you
like.

I can tell you that if I start with a TIFF file at 300 ppi, and set
the Deskjet to Premium Photo Paper and Auto color settings, the print
is fine for casual viewing. I don't usually try to go further with my
Deskjets, such as enabling ICM profiles.

HP Deskjets don't match the photo-realistic output of the Epson and
Canon photo-quality inkjets, but mostly because the Deskjets are
designed for an office or home-office environment rather than
photo-hobbyists.

Deskjets are fast and reliable, excellent for office BW junk, and
very good for color work that is non-photographic. Deskjets also print
excellent overhead transparencies fairly quickly - and changing the
cartridge on a Deskjet gets you a new print head.

BTW, I have a dozen or so framed 8x10's around the house. From across
the room, I can't tell which ones were printed on a Deskjet at 600 dpi
and which ones were printed on a very expensive six-color Epson at
1440 dpi. But up close, the Epson prints are clearly superior - the
Epson prints have almost invisible ink droplets and smooth tonal
gradations, while the Deskjet droplets are visible and the tonal
transitions are more abrupt.


--
John Mustarde
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Re: Critique request

2001-11-22 Thread Bill Sullivan

Delano,

If it's not too late to reply to your request, I think you need to thank the
person who chose the boy's shirt for the day. The dark brown goes perfectly
with the rest of your good photograph. It helps make it, in other words.
Tone-wise, you've got a plain if simple photo with sepia tones on the
child's face, a dark brown background with blurry spots that don't compete
for attention (on my monitor, at least), and the dark brown shirt. Hey, it's
got yellow stripes!

When you said you wanted a critique, I assume you wanted something slightly
more thoughtful than the words in a Chinese fortune cookie. Let me try. The
things I notice are that you chose a high angle and you aren't giving us any
clues as to what the boy is looking at. The fact that I noticed the angle is
high does not mean you should have taken it at a lower angle. I just noticed
the angle was high, and that's FWIW.

As for the lack of clues as to what has the boy's attention, if you were to
provide clues you would have a different and far less simple picture.
Besides, nowhere is it written that poetry and photographs must tell you
everthing. You've taken a lovely picture of a child in one of those
delicious moments when he is opening his mind to a cause of wonder. He looks
to me as if he is trying to figure out how to use whatever information he is
getting, and I enjoy looking at your photo and creating my own story of what
the boy is thinking.

The Pentax 50mm f1.7 SMC-M is one of four Pentax lenses that I own. It came
with the first Pentax I bought, an ME-Super, over 20 years ago, and I love
it, especially in low light. I don't know the film you used (Ilford 3200)
but I am impressed with the color saturation of so fast a film. It does look
look like you've got some hot spots especially on his cheek, but when you
are wearing the perfect shirt for the occasion, what's a few extra Kelvins
among friends?

I hope this boy will get a copy of his photo that he can carry with him
through his life, and that he will from time to time look at it and be
reminded of his childhood and how wonderful it was and is to be learning
things and adding to his experience.

Bill Sullivan

- Original Message -
From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Delano Mireles' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:11 AM
Subject: RE: Critique request


 Hi Delano,

 Wonderful shot!  I really like the lighting on this one.  Once again,
you've
 captured just the right moment, I think.  (I also liked the one of your
son
 you submitted to the PUG a couple months ago -- another nice moment as
 well.)  Thanks for sharing!

 Bill Peifer
 Rochester, NY

  -Original Message-
  From: Delano Mireles [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:32 PM
  To: pentax discuss pdml.net
  Subject: Critique request
 
  If anyone has the time I'd appreciate any critique on the following
image:
 
  http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?00n2Vn
 
  Thank you!
 
  Delano
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, November 22, 2001, at 01:47  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 E. Medium format digital is alive and well in product (still life) 
 shooting.

It's alive and well in studio shooting in general.  Most (if not all) 
current digital backs work properly with strobe, and this change has 
convinced many studios to move to digital for some or all of their work, 
because they don't need to repurchase their lighting or change their 
shooting style.

Most of the big catalog guys in Toronto have moved to digital.  Even the 
smaller studios are considering it.

-Aaron
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Monopod for heavy camera

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

I have started a search for a monopod to use
inconjuction with the N D1 i use for on site
stuff.I have been using the neck strap which
basicly is a pain in the neck and have seen others
using this camera carry a sturdy monopod.
Can any one help me start the search with 
recommendations.
Its a heavy camera with lenses attached so a sturdy
pod is a must and i know nothing of add on heads
but would like one with a 90 degree tilt so i can
go from landscape-portrait quickly.
I have a light weight Slik i use for my video and 
manual Pentax bodies but i'm afraid its to light for the
D1

Thanks in advance

Dave



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Re: OT: Interpolation (Was Re: The true cost of free digital?)

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, November 22, 2001, at 07:19  AM, Francis Tang wrote:

 Question unrelated to cost of digital: what's the purpose of
 interpolation in the scanner, versus interpolating/resampling on the
 computer?

To offer a scanner with a higher maximum resolution. ;)

Really, I don't know.  I've always thought that images look 
(comparatively) like crap using the scanner's interpolation.

-Aaron
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, November 22, 2001, at 01:27  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But we all know if you buy one of an object, (in this instance, a
 camera-printer-computer), and use it, you ~will~ replace it.

What if it's well-built and lasts a long time? ;)

We bought our big digital printer when I was presented with a print that 
I felt exceeded what we could do in our chemical darkroom, and also that 
I could sell to our customers as photographic.  I also bought a 
well-built printer.  I do not intend to replace it in the next product 
cycle (which came a full four months after I plunked my money down), or 
even the one after that.  In fact, I don't intend to replace it unless 
it develops a serious problem that cannot be economically fixed.

On the other hand, I paid $7500, not $75.

You get what you pay for.  Anyone who expects a printer that costs less 
than $100 to last is nuts.

-Aaron
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Re: Why Fuji Blue Max is evil?

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 10:45  PM, Bill D. Casselberry wrote:

   See!  Even w/ the US/Canandian exchange rate Fuji is dumping
   to the US market somewhat.    Surprize, Surprize!!


Actually, with the US - Canada exchange factored in, they're selling it 
for about the same as I am.

Film is a low profit margin item.

Shopper's Drug Mart have Kodak's Gold 100/24 on for $2.99 most of the 
time.  Does that mean Kodak is dumping?

-Aaron
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Re: Is PUG down, or is it me?

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 09:41  PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Damn!  I was finally gonna get to doing my critiques tonight - the
 Tragically Hip is on the stereo real loud, and I got a cigarette going -
 and I can't get into PUG.  Anyone else having the same problem (with
 PUG, not with smoking or listening to great Canadian rock bands), or is
 it just me?

Frank, are you eating a cruller?

-Aaron
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Re: OT: Jobo service manuals

2001-11-22 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Thursday, November 22, 2001, at 01:52  AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

 Does anyone have a clue how I might obtain a copy of the service manual 
 for
 a Jobo ATL1 automatic processor? I have tried my local distributors but 
 they
 do not supply service manuals. Some time ago I bought some parts from
 Jobo USA direct, included in the order was this particular manual, 
 instead I
 ended up with the users manual. Anyone have direct contacts or other
 suggestions?

How similar is the ATL 1 to the ATL 3?  I have a ratty photocopy of the 
ATL 3 manual that I could copy for you if your search ends up fruitless.

I'll ask Lisle-Kelco if they sell service manuals.  They're the Canadian 
Jobo reseller.

-Aaron
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Re: Why Fuji Blue Max is evil?

2001-11-22 Thread Bill Owens

And, Camera World of Carolina, in Charlotte, sells Agfa Vista 100 for $5.00
for a 4 pack, $1.25 per roll of 27 exposures.

Bill, KG4LOV
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Shopper's Drug Mart have Kodak's Gold 100/24 on for $2.99 most of the
 time.  Does that mean Kodak is dumping?

 -Aaron
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Re: Thanksgiving Greetings ...

2001-11-22 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 11/22/2001 9:06:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ditto from the Great White North
  
  

And all the best from Indiana!

Ed M.
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Lens Opinion Site updated

2001-11-22 Thread Stan Halpin

Thanks for the comments about the Len's (and Stan's) web site which I posted
in beta version on my kc.rr.com site a few days ago.

I think I have now corrected those glitches that were pointed out to me,
plus some others that weren't. I have moved the new version to the primary
site, concentric.net.

If you find any broken links or other major issues, please let me know. If
there are formatting difficulties (but it still works ok) I would like to
know just because I have a lot to learn about how the HTML code reacts on
different systems with different browsers. But I won't spend much time
mixing cosmetic stuff; now that I have the content up-to-date, I am working
on a new look for the site.

For those who haven't seen this before, what I am referring to is the site
at www.concentric.net/~smhalpin. Starting with January (or June?) 1997, I
have read the discussions on this list about Pentax lenses, extracted the
portions that seemed cogent to me, and assembled those comments into the
referenced website. I have further edited the comments so that there is a
brief comments section and a Long comments section.

At this point, if you print the LongComments as is, you'll have 150-200
pages of material (depending on the font size you choose). It is at about
350k on the server.  If you print the brief comments, that is at about 40
pages. If one were to scroll down through the Long comments, it would take
between 200 and 600 page down commands (depending on browser, screen and
window size, etc). Which is a major reason why I am going into a redesign;
it has grown way beyond the point where anybody would ever want to actually
scroll the whole thing.

Enjoy, let me know if here any substantive problems with content or
operation, and I'll keep working on presentation format.

¡Salud, amor, dinero, y el tiempo para gozarlos!

Stan
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

I see a humor in it.  It is true also.  I'm not making fun of another's
plight.

Let me tell ya, if the people in refugee camps are running around with
disposable cameras and getting film processed I'd be surprised.  If they
are, we better stop sending cash.

Disposables are probably just about the most expensive kind of camera one
can buy.  While in Florida I was going to get one for the beach.  Let's see,
I can buy 3 single-use 24 exposure cameras for around $25.00, or I can buy a
cheapo PS for $20.00 and a 4-pack of film for $8.00.  I've now spent
$28.00, only $3.00 more, I have an extra roll of film, and a camera I can
use over and over.  Disposables are one of the biggest ripoffs I've seen in
a long time.

Tom C.


  Sac Ss. Right now, they have more than two billion potential customers,
  one
  Sac billion of whom don't have... electricity.
 
  As most of them don't have even enough food or drinkable water, I think
  Kodak will have to become a major humanitarian player if he wants to
sell
  _any_cameras to them...
 

 The repsumption od course being that all people without electricity are
poor.
 Not true.

  Sac But they all have eyes to see prints. :))
 
  And they all got mouths to eat them (the prints) :(

 That's rude and crude.

 Mafud
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RE: MZ-6 Production volumes

2001-11-22 Thread Rob Brigham

If speculation is right, COntax will only be able to produce them for a
couple of months anyway, and will then have to wait for Phillips to
start making the chip again.  They may only ever make 1000!!

 -Original Message-
 From: Pål Audun Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 22 November 2001 15:34
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: MZ-6 Production volumes
 
 
 My japanese isn't that good but it seems like Pentax settles 
 for a monthly 
 production of 10.000 units of the MZ-6. Thats pretty good.
 The new flash will be made at a rate of 1000/month.
 
 Sombody posted awhile back that the digital Contax will be 
 made in a volume 
 of 1000/month. If true, I think this is a grossly overrated 
 production 
 volume. That a $6000+  digital slr will sell 10% of the MZ-6 
 is not just 
 possible in my opinion.
 
 Pål
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Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-Fangled Color Film

2001-11-22 Thread Mike Johnston

Mike W. wrote:

 A paradox of the first order, unless.  the margins of error
 are so small as to be unnoticable.  No, perish the thought that
 this could all be marketing speak!


They're insignificant. Depth of focus can extend several millimeters.

There is probably a lot more slop in many areas of camera design and
function than you imagine. For instance, viewfinders are seldom 100% because
it's very difficult to built to the tolerances needed to insure that what
you see is precisely what ends up on the film--a 92% finder is convenient
for the manufacturer in more than one way, not only because it allows them
to make prisms and mirrors smaller, but also because it masks slop in
alignment. Autofocus mechanisms can actually be made such that focus would
change with the beating of your heart. But this would require exquisite
precision in the rest of the mechanism, and it would be frustrating, because
you could never lock on to a subject. So the manufacturers choose a
tolerance--generally pretty loose tolerances, since, ironically, the looser
the tolerance, the more precise it _feels_--because then it locks on to a
focus distance and stays there. And if manual focus users are smirking here,
don't, because manual focus is just as bad. When you really study camera
focus, it becomes obvious that there is almost always focus error built into
the camera (that is, when it appears to be in perfect focus, it isn't) _and_
it's almost impossible to achieve truly exact focus visually. Of course,
this typically matters little, just as it does with AF. since the slop is
masked by depth of field. Even a rangefinder like the M6 is not immune to
these problems--although the focus mechanism is more precise than an SLR,
meaning repeatable, it's not terribly accurate. With demanding tolerances, a
rangefinder would need to be calibrated for each separate lens and for only
one focus distance. If a specific 90mm lens is carefully calibrated for a
ten-foot focus distance, for instance, then it will be very precise at that
distance, but chances are that it will still show error at three feet and at
35 feet. And change lenses and all bets are off. As far as the film is
concerned, the surface of the film is actually wavey--it's not perfectly
flat even with a vacuum back. The ripples or whatever you want to call them
are many times the depth of the emulsion. But to make matters worse, no lens
is precisely flat field, although some process lenses come close. But most
camera lenses cast a plane of focus that isn't a plane. That's why
experimenters have to compromise on the point at which lenses are at point
of best focus. If you focus in the center of the field, the moderate Hrel
may be out of the plane and the corners into it again; so do you split the
distance and achieve the best compromise, or do you focus one area of the
field perfectly and say to hell with the rest of it?

So anyway, not need to worry about whether the depth of individual emulsion
layers fall within the tolerance of the apochromatic correction--such
miniscule tolerances are completely overwhelmed by the slop inherent in the
entire system.

--Mike
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Re: Is PUG down, or is it me?

2001-11-22 Thread frank theriault

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 Frank, are you eating a cruller?

Hi, Aaron,

No, but earlier today I had a Tim Horton's Canadian Maple donut - the ones
filled with what they laughingly call custard.  Does that count?  :-)

-frank




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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: aimcompute
Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE


 I see a humor in it.  It is true also.  I'm not making fun of
another's
 plight.

 Let me tell ya, if the people in refugee camps are running
around with
 disposable cameras and getting film processed I'd be
surprised.  If they
 are, we better stop sending cash.

 Disposables are probably just about the most expensive kind of
camera one
 can buy.  While in Florida I was going to get one for the
beach.  Let's see,
 I can buy 3 single-use 24 exposure cameras for around $25.00,
or I can buy a
 cheapo PS for $20.00 and a 4-pack of film for $8.00.  I've
now spent
 $28.00, only $3.00 more, I have an extra roll of film, and a
camera I can
 use over and over.  Disposables are one of the biggest ripoffs
I've seen in
 a long time.

I read a column a while back (I think it was one of Mikes 37th
frames) about this very subject. It turns out that the most
economical camera to use is the most expensive and well built
one money can buy. The reson is that they outlast anything else,
and over time actually become less expensive to use than
replacing cheap cameras as they wear out.
A frind of mine has a 1975 Mercedes Benz. It is the only car he
has owned since he bought it new. Since 1975, I have bought and
worn out or wrecked 6 cars and 8 motorcycles, most of which were
bought new. I know I have spent a lot more on my vehicles than
he has.
You can buy quality once, or replace cheap junk over and over.
Eventually, the junk will end up costing more, as junk has no
residual value (as I discovered with my Grand Am).
I can't beleive how many single use camera we take in at the
lab. There is a demographic to them though. The teenagers, for
whom money still grows on a tree in their parents back yard use
them, for the most part. Once they get a little older and get a
job, they seem to gravitate towards better equipment.
William Robb
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Re: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-FangledColor Film)

2001-11-22 Thread Mike Johnston

Lon wrote:

 Maybe not.  As I understand it, APO elements, like any other element,
 may be a) plastic, b) molded glass, or c) ground glass, with cost
 escalating from a (cheapest) to c (pricey).


No, you're confusing apochromatic with aspherics, which are made in the
types you ennumerate above.

--Mike
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Mike Johnston

Mafud wrote:

 What we're seeing right now is soaring sales in film cameras, APS and high
 dollar sophisticated PSs leading the way.
 I wonder why?

You're gonna have to cite your sources here, Mafud. What you say simply
isn't true. APS is in the doldrums and single-use cameras are sales volume
leaders--high dollar sophisticaed PSs have never been a statistically
significant sales category. See if you can get your hands on a PMA report.
They're very interesting.

--Mike
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off camera cord for 280T (was: 280T questions)

2001-11-22 Thread Nick Wright

I have one of the TTL Duo-Sync cords for the older Pentax flashes. Used it
with my 280T and pz1p... since I cannot repair my 280T, the first $20 (+
shipping) gets it. (large pause) Well, now I can't find it offhand... I know
it's around here somewheres... :P If anyone's interested email me offlist,
I'll find it tomorrow...

Nick

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 btw
  - what's the TTL off camera cord gizmo for a 280T/SuperProgram?
  I've finally got myself one and should keep an eye out for that
  cord gizmo - anyone got a spare laying about?

  Bill
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

Digital will pay for itself depending on the initial price of the
hardware, the individual's film usage, the amount of prints made, and
the longevity of the digital hardware. And maybe other factors such as
picture-to-publication time and reduction in processing staff.

Mike made a good comparison showing a return on investment of two
years; Tom responded with an equally valid lack of return on
investment comparison.

It's really up to the individual to make a comparison based on their
own usage and needs. For me, a digital SLR does not give the desired
return on investment at this time. 

First, I'd have to switch to Nikon or Canon to even get a digital SLR.
That's not in itself a bad thing. However, I am very fond of Pentax
glass in general. I like the unusual old K-mount lenses. I like to
carry a PZ1p and an LX, and enjoy the differences between the two
cameras while sharing lenses.  And, very important to me, I have some
favorite Pentax lenses which have no direct Nikon or Canon equivalent.

Second, I don't shoot enough film. Maybe a hundred rolls per year,
maybe a little less. And I shoot pretty cheap film, with cheap
processing. Enlargements come from an inkjet, so film and digital
enlargements even out. So my film/processing savings are potentially
too low to justify a digicam that cost much over $1500.

But owning some sort of digicam is a very good thing. My work 3.3 mp
digicam PS with a fine, fast zoom lens is a fun thing to have, and
very useful. It won't pay for itself through film/processing savings
anytime soon, but it has nevertheless earned a place in my photo
toolkit.

Of course, if I ran a bureau with six photogs slogging around taking
ten rolls each per day just to get a handful of shots for the daily
paper, we wouldn't have a scrap of film in sight.

BTW, Kodak just bought Encad, who makes large-format inkjets. Kodak is
trying to transition to the real world of production imaging. And
Kodak's latest TV commercial shows a motion-blurred photo taken with a
PS using ISO 200 film compared to a sharp photo taken with Kodak
Versatility film (ISO 400 Kodak Gold, I think). Kodak hints that their
Versatility film is better because pictures taken with it don't come
out blurry. 

No mention that ISO 400 film from any other manufacturer would have
allowed a faster shutter speed, resulting in the same reduced motion
blur compared to the longer shutter speed required by ISO 200 film.

--
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE



  What we're seeing right now is soaring sales in film
cameras, APS and high
  dollar sophisticated PSs leading the way.
  I wonder why?

 You're gonna have to cite your sources here. What you say
simply
 isn't true. APS is in the doldrums and single-use cameras are
sales volume
 leaders--high dollar sophisticaed PSs have never been a
statistically
 significant sales category. See if you can get your hands on a
PMA report.
 They're very interesting.

I suspect his source is someone in his family who just went out
and bought an expensive APS point and shoot. You are correct,
Mike, there are no real hard numbers from the industry to back
up statements like the one you quote above. The real numbers
paint a pretty bleak picture, actually.
William Robb
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Bill Owens

 I can't beleive how many single use camera we take in at the
 lab. There is a demographic to them though. The teenagers, for
 whom money still grows on a tree in their parents back yard use
 them, for the most part. Once they get a little older and get a
 job, they seem to gravitate towards better equipment.
 William Robb

You're absolutely correct.  But look on the bright side, they keep us
supplied with AA alkaline batteries :-)

Bill, KG4LOV
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

Yes I've seen that commercial.  It's a prime example of how dumb KODAK
thinks consumers may be.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, a Rome vacation, they could suggest getting
out of the moving vehicle and standing still... but that wouldn't sell film.

Tom C.

- Original Message -
From: John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE


 Digital will pay for itself depending on the initial price of the
 hardware, the individual's film usage, the amount of prints made, and
 the longevity of the digital hardware. And maybe other factors such as
 picture-to-publication time and reduction in processing staff.

 Mike made a good comparison showing a return on investment of two
 years; Tom responded with an equally valid lack of return on
 investment comparison.

 It's really up to the individual to make a comparison based on their
 own usage and needs. For me, a digital SLR does not give the desired
 return on investment at this time.

 First, I'd have to switch to Nikon or Canon to even get a digital SLR.
 That's not in itself a bad thing. However, I am very fond of Pentax
 glass in general. I like the unusual old K-mount lenses. I like to
 carry a PZ1p and an LX, and enjoy the differences between the two
 cameras while sharing lenses.  And, very important to me, I have some
 favorite Pentax lenses which have no direct Nikon or Canon equivalent.

 Second, I don't shoot enough film. Maybe a hundred rolls per year,
 maybe a little less. And I shoot pretty cheap film, with cheap
 processing. Enlargements come from an inkjet, so film and digital
 enlargements even out. So my film/processing savings are potentially
 too low to justify a digicam that cost much over $1500.

 But owning some sort of digicam is a very good thing. My work 3.3 mp
 digicam PS with a fine, fast zoom lens is a fun thing to have, and
 very useful. It won't pay for itself through film/processing savings
 anytime soon, but it has nevertheless earned a place in my photo
 toolkit.

 Of course, if I ran a bureau with six photogs slogging around taking
 ten rolls each per day just to get a handful of shots for the daily
 paper, we wouldn't have a scrap of film in sight.

 BTW, Kodak just bought Encad, who makes large-format inkjets. Kodak is
 trying to transition to the real world of production imaging. And
 Kodak's latest TV commercial shows a motion-blurred photo taken with a
 PS using ISO 200 film compared to a sharp photo taken with Kodak
 Versatility film (ISO 400 Kodak Gold, I think). Kodak hints that their
 Versatility film is better because pictures taken with it don't come
 out blurry.

 No mention that ISO 400 film from any other manufacturer would have
 allowed a faster shutter speed, resulting in the same reduced motion
 blur compared to the longer shutter speed required by ISO 200 film.

 --
 John Mustarde
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Re: Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

Thats why i did not take out an extended
warranty ,offered by Staples, on the $29.00 optical
logitech mouse i just bought.It breaks, its gone.

Dave

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From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You get what you pay for.  Anyone who expects a printer that costs 
less 
than $100 to last is nuts.

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Vs: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-FangledColor Film)

2001-11-22 Thread Raimo Korhonen

You lose - it´s glass.
All the best!
Raimo
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-Alkuperäinen viesti-
Lähettäjä: Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aihe: Re: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-FangledColor Film)


snip
So, I'd bet that my 70-300 Sigma APO Macro, for example, uses solution
A.

-Lon
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Vs: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-FangledColor Film)

2001-11-22 Thread Raimo Korhonen

You lose, too. It refers to lens construction designed to bring three primary colours 
to focus together. It can be done with aspherics and/or special glasses but not with 
coatings. Actually coating has very little to do with spectral transmission but a lot 
to do with lens surface reflections.
All the best!
Raimo
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Aihe: RE: APO Lenses (was Re: Layers, Sharp Focus, and New-FangledColor Film)


I think you are confusing this with 'Aspherical' - shape of lenses to
correct aberrations.

The Sigma APO refers to a lens coating rather than lens design.

snip 
 So, I'd bet that my 70-300 Sigma APO Macro, for example, uses solution
 A.
 
 -Lon
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Re: MX Focusing Screens

2001-11-22 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Good point.  The new screens are brighter than their older counterparts,
although not by much - about 1/5 of a stop.  And, of course, there may
be differences between certain screens.

That said, I'd of course check the meter for proper calibration in any
case, as I'd do for all cameras and meters that i use.  Thing is, the MX
has a relatively poor readout, little more than a match needle system
with diodes, that I may just choose to go meterless with it.  The camera
seems to lend itself to that type of shooting.

Geoff Moes wrote:
 
 It also raises the question are
 the LX screens consistent in there 
 brightness or the recalibration
 only be valid for certain screens?
-- 
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MZ-5n and grip

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

I was out on an errand for work yesterday and JUST
HAPPENED to pass by Henrys north store so i popped
in for a look at the MZ-5n kit they have on now.
First time i held one and felt small rieght off
the bat,but not to bad.Comes with the af35-80 zoom
which seemed ok,but after a bit my right hand felt
as if something else was needed.
I know a battery grip is available(girl showing me the 
camera was not a sales person)but one was not available 
to try.Does the grip help make it FEEL like the older
bigger AF/MF cameras.I'v grown used to the grip
on the SF-1,nice and big.

Dave


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Re: MZ-5n and grip

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: David Brooks
Subject: MZ-5n and grip


 I was out on an errand for work yesterday and JUST
 HAPPENED to pass by Henrys north store so i popped
 in for a look at the MZ-5n kit they have on now.
 First time i held one and felt small rieght off
 the bat,but not to bad.Comes with the af35-80 zoom
 which seemed ok,but after a bit my right hand felt
 as if something else was needed.
 I know a battery grip is available(girl showing me the
 camera was not a sales person)but one was not available
 to try.Does the grip help make it FEEL like the older
 bigger AF/MF cameras.I'v grown used to the grip
 on the SF-1,nice and big.

I like the MZ-5 better with the battery pack. Think of something
about the size of an autowinder on the bottom of the camera, but
with nothing coming up the front, and you get the idea. I
especially like being able to replace the batteries for 5
dollars, rather than 15.
William Robb
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Re: OT: Interpolation (Was Re: The true cost of free digital?)

2001-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts

Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Francis Tang wrote:

 Question unrelated to cost of digital: what's the purpose of
 interpolation in the scanner, versus interpolating/resampling on the
 computer?

To offer a scanner with a higher maximum resolution. ;)

Really, I don't know.  I've always thought that images look 
(comparatively) like crap using the scanner's interpolation.

I agree with Aaron here. Besides, I prefer to scan at maximum true (optical)
resolution and then experiment with interpolation in the image editig software
where I can change my mind about it if I don't like how it looks. WHen you do it
in the scanner you're stuck with the file that's output.


-- 
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The digital VS film discussion

2001-11-22 Thread Tiger Moses

Few things to keep in mind.
I would assume that 90% of the digital camera owners are computer owners.
While the % of homes in the USA with computers is around 50%, its definatley
not that high in most other countries.

I guess we'll have to see what the Chinese consumer desires over the next
few years, as they'll be the major market force before long.

Maybe technology will brng to market the film that is 10x faster and the
process printing takes 15 minutes including a CDROM of your pics.

Maybe you'll drop your film off at KODAK/FUJI kiosk and all the pics will be
in your e-mailbox by the time you get home!

Its is true in the business world, companies aren't using slide projects any
more!  Powerpoint and a computer projector have 99% of the market!  But how
many of us have a $1500-6000 projector at home to view our digital pictures
any larger than our monitor?  That could be the next product for consumer,
the digital projectors in the under $1000 range.  They do double duty, as
they'll be hooked up to your home entertainment system, and replace TVs.
Your DVD movie will be on your wall as big as the room/optic system allows!
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Re: Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Bill Owens

Extended warranties for electronics are a waste of money (but good for the
seller).  If anything is going to go wrong with any modern electronic
equipment, is likely to manifest itself long before the manufacturer's
warranty expires.

Bill, KG4LOV
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From: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Digital cameras are FREE


 Thats why i did not take out an extended
 warranty ,offered by Staples, on the $29.00 optical
 logitech mouse i just bought.It breaks, its gone.

 Dave
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Re: Teleconverter w. FA*80-200/2.8?

2001-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts

Jan van Wijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Mark,

I have 3 Sigma converters, the 1.4x and 2x APO and a 'normal' 1.4x
The 1.4x will probably have the same problem, it is only slightly better in this 
aspect!

I just measured the clearing between the K-mount flange and TC front-lens for all:

STD 1.4x   8.5 mm
APO 1.4x  1.9 mm
APO 2x 1.4 mm

So while the 2x APO is worst, the 1.4x is not far behind.

The STD 1.4x would not be a problem, but lacks optical quality compared to the others.

Thank you!
I have the standard Sigma 1.4x and it does fit, but I want to sell it and get a
better one.

Funny thing is, I just tried the Sigma 2x and it *does* fit! I must have been
fumbling too much when I tried to attach it in the field the other day. 

BTW: The photo I took using the Pentax 1.7x that day came out quite nice. I just
added it to my fall photo collection last night, along with 3 other new shots:
http://www.robertstech.com/fall_2k1.htm


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Re: MZ-6 Production volumes

2001-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts

Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If speculation is right, COntax will only be able to produce them for a
couple of months anyway, and will then have to wait for Phillips to
start making the chip again.  They may only ever make 1000!!

Actually, they've probably made that many already in the past: I've heard
they're used in medium format digital backs (several CCDs per back, of course).

We could be seeing more soon if the Contax does reasonably well.

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price is right

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

Saw this today

http://cgi.ca.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1298500654

Dave


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Re: Re: MZ-5n and grip

2001-11-22 Thread David Brooks

I agree there Bill.I'm still planning to update 
my AF camera from the SF-1 to probably the 5-n.If
the grip helps in the over all handling/stability/
feel i'll go that way.
BTW camera seems quite nice from first impressions
What flash does Pentax recommend with this camera??
When i buy i want the option of full auto
flash and manual if need be.Right now all my bodies/
flashes are in the look,check guide ,click,hope.

Dave

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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:41:21 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MZ-5n and grip


I like the MZ-5 better with the battery pack. Think of something
about the size of an autowinder on the bottom of the camera, but
with nothing coming up the front, and you get the idea. I
especially like being able to replace the batteries for 5
dollars, rather than 15.
William Robb
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Re: MZ-5n and grip

2001-11-22 Thread Kristian Walsh

Hi,


 .Does the grip help make it FEEL like the older
 bigger AF/MF cameras.I'v grown used to the grip
 on the SF-1,nice and big.

I have a battery grip on the MZ-5n. It adds a bit of weight and bit of 
height (around 1/2.5cm) to the camera, which I find more comfortable 
with my big hands. Against that, there is a tendancy for the camera to 
tip forward when it's placed down on a flat surface.

Plus, AA batteries are about a tenth of the price of CR2's ;-)

--
Kristian
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RE: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1607

2001-11-22 Thread Geordie

Frank,

I will probably give the Ilfoerd LC29 a whirl sometime soon.

The Ilfosol was bought for me, so I'm just trying to us it up. I've gotten
ok results with it while developing Ilford films, such as Delta 400, but my
recent tri-x results were poor. Of course, I think it had more to do with
overdeveloping due to over agitation and perhaps too much time in the tank.
My next try will either confirm or disconfirm my theory...


Thx,

geordie


Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:26:42 +
From: Francis Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: developing tri-x in ilfosol-s

Dear Geordie,

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:36:29PM -0800, Geordie wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone could tell me a developing time for tri-x 400
film
 in Ilford Ilfosol-S developer?

I used to use Ilfosol S for my Ilford film, but I wasn't really
satisfied when using it with HP5.  I tried LC29 (maybe called HC-D in
the US) and have never looked back.  If you have the curiosity, maybe
you might want to try this developer too.  In use it's just like
Ilfosol S (except for dilutions and timings.)
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November PUG - Dave Maki

2001-11-22 Thread frank theriault

Sorry I'm so late with these...

First one:  Dave Maki, Where Flare Comes From

A striking image, imho.  I like the narrow dof.  Wonderful detail at the
eyes and the hair-like feathers around his head;  front of the beak out
of focus.  It really draws one's attention to his eyes.

And yes, as you pointed out, it's neat the way the bright left and dark
right background matches his opened and closed eyes.  The flare,
framing the right side of the head is, in this case very effective -
lucky you left the hood off!

The backlighting is very effective at bringing out those hairy feathers
as well.

It's probably more the camera angle than anything else that makes him
look so pissed, but it works!  I don't think I'd want to get on his bad
side.

I don't know what else I can say - I really liked it a lot.  Thanks!

regards,
frank

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Re: Lens Opinion Site updated

2001-11-22 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

Thanks for putting all the work into your site - it's very useful.

I didn't spend much time there (it's Thanksgiving, you know) but it looks fine and 
easy to use to me.

Maris

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From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: Lens Opinion Site updated


Thanks for the comments about the Len's (and Stan's) web site which I posted
in beta version on my kc.rr.com site a few days ago.

I think I have now corrected those glitches that were pointed out to me,
plus some others that weren't. I have moved the new version to the primary
site, concentric.net.

If you find any broken links or other major issues, please let me know. If
there are formatting difficulties (but it still works ok) I would like to
know just because I have a lot to learn about how the HTML code reacts on
different systems with different browsers. But I won't spend much time
mixing cosmetic stuff; now that I have the content up-to-date, I am working
on a new look for the site.

For those who haven't seen this before, what I am referring to is the site
at www.concentric.net/~smhalpin. Starting with January (or June?) 1997, I
have read the discussions on this list about Pentax lenses, extracted the
portions that seemed cogent to me, and assembled those comments into the
referenced website. I have further edited the comments so that there is a
brief comments section and a Long comments section.

At this point, if you print the LongComments as is, you'll have 150-200
pages of material (depending on the font size you choose). It is at about
350k on the server.  If you print the brief comments, that is at about 40
pages. If one were to scroll down through the Long comments, it would take
between 200 and 600 page down commands (depending on browser, screen and
window size, etc). Which is a major reason why I am going into a redesign;
it has grown way beyond the point where anybody would ever want to actually
scroll the whole thing.

Enjoy, let me know if here any substantive problems with content or
operation, and I'll keep working on presentation format.

¡Salud, amor, dinero, y el tiempo para gozarlos!

Stan
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread SudaMafud

In a message dated 11/22/01 10:40:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Most of the big catalog guys in Toronto have moved to digital.  Even the 
 smaller studios are considering it.
 
 -Aaron
 
Yes. I expect that given the rapid advance in technology, meduim format will 
be all digital in the next 2-3 years. 

But are you saying even fashion is being shot with MF digital? 

Mafud
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Re: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Bob Walkden 
Subject: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE


 Hi,

  Those who travel widely can testify that even in the poorest
countries,
  people have radios, CD players, film and digital cameras,
~AUTOMOBILES~,
  televisions-etc..

I think, Bob, what you have to realize, is that as far as the
original poster is concerned, Harlem is a poor country.
I saw a news report out of Afghanistan a few weeks ago. The
people on the ground there didn't have a clue about why, all of
a sudden, there were bombs being dropped on their heads.
They had never heard of the WTC, and didn't have a clue about
the significance of Sept. 11.
Aww never mind. This is, after all, just the internet.
William Robb
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Happy Turkey Day!!

2001-11-22 Thread Gary L. Murphy

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Depreciation of assets

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Aaron Reynolds
Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE

 You mean for your 35, right?  So, you have to factor in
depreciation
 into your camera and enlarger.  You can't argue that one
depreciates and
 the other doesn't.

Lets see, I bought a new Olympus OM-1 system, then sold it for
half what I paid to buy a new Nikon system, which I eventually
sold for somewhat less than half what I paid, to buy a new
Pentax system. Total loss on the three transactions would amount
to several thousands of dollars.
Fortunately, I was able to write some of this off as a capital
loss on my income tax, and was also able to depreciate the
equipment while I owned it. This option is not available to most
people, however, and the IRS (why is it called a service?) does
check on what they think are bogus deductions.
I bought a Pixur enlarger, and sold it for less than half what I
paid to buy a Durst enlarger, which I then sold for a third of
what I paid to by an Omega enlarger which I eventually sold for
a quarter of what I paid to buy a 6x7 Beseler, which I didn't
bother selling when I bought the 23C.

Cost of depreciation? It hurts me to think about it.
Photographic equipment upgrades have probably cost me a couple
of years worth of salary, even with capital losses and
depreciation added into the equation.

My point? The entire depreciation arguement is a straw man.
If you shoot a lot of pictures, and a presently available
digital will satisfy your needs, not having the cost of film and
processing and custom printing might well start paying for
itself very quickly.
William Robb
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:37:00 -0500, you wrote:

You get what you pay for.  Anyone who expects a printer that costs less 
than $100 to last is nuts.

I want to praise Epsons' service department, while slightly damning
their printer. We bought an Epson Stylus Pro 5000 with Fiery RIP in
late 1998. We were early adopters, so we paid about thirteen grand (it
costs much less now). Luckily, we also bought the extended warranty.
The extended warranty alone was almost a thousand dollars.

After eighteen months, one or more of the print heads failed. We got a
replacement unit the next day under warranty. Another year later, the
RIP failed. Again, replaced under warranty. Then last week, two months
out of the extended warranty, the print heads failed again. To their
credit, Epson sent us another new unit even though the warranty had
expired two months earlier. Epson cautioned that this was the last
warranty replacement we would get.

So we are on our third printer and second RIP, all in the space of
three years and two months.

I think the RIP failure was an unusual circumstance. But the print
head failure on Epson printers should be a planned-for expense. I've
put money in next year's budget for another print head replacement. My
guess is their life is about 18 months or so.

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Re: MX Focusing Screens

2001-11-22 Thread Carlos Royo

Geoff Moes wrote:
 
 I've heard that in order to use LX screens in an MX you need to
 have the meter recalibrated since the screens are brighter and the
 meter reads from behind the screen.  This could probably be
 confirmed through experimentation. It also raises the question are
 the LX screens consistent in there brightness or the recalibration
 only be valid for certain screens?
 

Hi:
I am going to quote myself. This is the message I sent to the list about
this matter six months ago:

Yesterday I installed a SB-21 focusing screen, intended for use in the
LX
in my MX. The new focus screen is 1 and 1/2 stops brighter, then I have
to compensate using the ASA scale of the exposure meter.
That's the only change observed, besides the brighter image through the
viewfinder, which makes focusing easier.



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Carlos Royo
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Mark Roberts

Aaron wrote:

 Most of the big catalog guys in Toronto have moved to digital.  Even the 
 smaller studios are considering it.

I'll bet anyone using the Contax 645 system is considering it now with the
Contax digital on the horizon. Being able to add a digital body, even in 35mm
format, without having to buy any new lenses for it, could look quite
attractive.


-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
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Re: First tripod

2001-11-22 Thread Eric Ming Hui

I have a feeling I'll be getting a tripod this Christmas ;)

This will be my first tripod, but that doesn't mean I'm after a
cheap one; I'm willing to spend a bit more to get one that will
last my whole photographic career (up to £100). I'm based in the
U.K., and am currently just looking at the Jessops catalog.
(BTW, Are Jessops' own brand tripods ok?)

Any tips/advice/money greatly appreciated!

I recommend the Slik U212 Deluxe. It’s a great tripod, not too heavy but 
very stable.
It costs less than $100.
For more information, visit
http://www.sunpak.com/15d.html
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Re: Monopod for heavy camera

2001-11-22 Thread Carlos Royo

Hello David:
I also have a Slik, the model is called Easypod, and its OK for my
cameras and not too heavy lenses. But when I use one of the bodies, plus
the F* 300 mm. 4.5 or FA* 80-200 mm. 2.8, the monopod I use is a
Manfrotto 479-4B + 234 RC head.
They are both really sturdy, much more than other monopods I've tried,
and do their job really well.

--
Carlos Royo
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Re: Leonoid Meteor pic

2001-11-22 Thread Timothy Sherburne

Cool! Do you have the technical specs on that photo?

t

On 11/22/01 10:50 AM, Brendan wrote:

 Unfortunaltly most of the images were wased out due to
 light polution but for those who missed the shower.
 
 
 http://webhome.idirect.com/~trini/flowers2/a002.jpg
 
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Re: OT: Virus Question

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:38:11 -0700, you wrote:

Sometimes, not all the time, when I move the mouse
pointer towards an icon it repls it across the screen, like magnets with
same poles pointing towards one another.

I saw a program once that caused the pointer to repel icons and other
strange behavior. The intention was to install it on your best
friend's computer as a prank. Got any best friends who have access
to your computer?

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Re: why EI-2000 is total CRAP, UNUSABLE for anything but strong daylight!

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:12:58 +0100, you wrote:

Hi,
   I have finally extensively tested functions of EI-2000 in a
   friendly shop. Why is it total crap? Read more...

I'm glad you got a hands-on test. Informative sites such as
www.dpreview.com could have told you much of this information. I saw
your enthusiasm for the EI-2000 in an earlier post, and hesitated to
warn you away from it. Not that the EI-2000 is a bad digicam - there's
just others with more functionality in the same price range.

However, your requirement for a digicam PS that will work as a
reportage tool is a pretty stiff requirement. You'll have to look long
and hard to find the exact model that will meet your needs, and even
then there will be some trade-offs.

--
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Re: OT: Virus Question

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

No... Thanks. :-)  I went out and invested in the newest copy of Norton
Antivirus.  It found 11 instances of W32.Magistr.39921  (not a link...
crappy Outlook Express) on my D:\ drive.  After repairing 8,  quarantining
3, and rebooting, the problem has gone away.

Interestingly, Norton Antivirus is rated as best in class, while I find
McAfee's website to be far more informative about specific viruses.  I was
able to search on W32 and received the following:

http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99040;

Thanks again,

Tom C.


- Original Message -
From: John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Virus Question


 On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:38:11 -0700, you wrote:

 Sometimes, not all the time, when I move the mouse
 pointer towards an icon it repls it across the screen, like magnets with
 same poles pointing towards one another.

 I saw a program once that caused the pointer to repel icons and other
 strange behavior. The intention was to install it on your best
 friend's computer as a prank. Got any best friends who have access
 to your computer?

 --
 John Mustarde
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Re: Monopod for heavy camera

2001-11-22 Thread John Mustarde

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:43:10 -0500, you wrote:

I have started a search for a monopod to use

I use a Bogen 3249B (black). It supports my FA* 600/4 and Wimberly
head, so it should handle about anything you would put on it.

--
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Re: OT: Virus Question

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

God, I hate Outlook.  Piece of$^%$$!!!

http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99040;

You need the '' in the link.

Tom C.


- Original Message - 
From: John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Virus Question


 On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:38:11 -0700, you wrote:
 
 Sometimes, not all the time, when I move the mouse
 pointer towards an icon it repls it across the screen, like magnets with
 same poles pointing towards one another.
 
 I saw a program once that caused the pointer to repel icons and other
 strange behavior. The intention was to install it on your best
 friend's computer as a prank. Got any best friends who have access
 to your computer?
 
 --
 John Mustarde
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Re: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Well, my digital camera is a Nikon Coolpix 100. I bought it new, so I hardly
think you have been into digital longer than I have. I think Shel has
mentioned he has a digital that he uses when he feels it is appropriate.
And, it would not surprise me to find out that Mafud has a digital camera.
There are times when digital is the proper venue. Just as there are times
when 35mm is, or medium format, or larger format is. None are appropriate
for everything. I think none of us you mentioned think digital is a bad
thing, we just think that what we use is better for what we do.

I, for one, think your dollar and cents analysis makes no sense. Because to
do so you would  have to compare equivalent cameras, and equivalent use.
With the PS digitals your mention you have to compare to 100-150 dollar PS
film cameras. Those are normally used by snap shooters who usually show
anybody who will look all their prints. They want to do that at the office,
on a park bench, or in their technophobic friends kitchen. So for them the
first $600 worth of film and processing is free, and they probably shoot 6
to 10 rolls of film a year.

Also I have argued here many times that for a money making photographer, a
$10K digital is a cheap investment. One that he will soon have to make, or
cease to be competitive. In the final analysis you are preaching to the
chorus, but one that does not accept digital as being the One True
Religion.

However, as I have said before. Real photographers use real cameras. The
only real camera is a Speed Graphic. All there rest are just toys.

--graywolf
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The optimist's cup is half full,
The pessimist's is half empty,
The wise man enjoys his drink.


- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Digital cameras are FREE


 Tom R. wrote:

  Let's see? From my view point you are trying to sell me an idea. Someone
who
  is trying to sell me something is a salesman.

 I think that's nonsense. Are you paying me anything? No. Do I care if you
 accept my views as your own? Not in the slightest. In fact, I don't expect
 you to, and I'd be rather disappointed in you if you did. When we talk
here
 in the public forum we're talking to everybody who reads it, not just to
the
 person we're addressing or responding to.

 You may pay me if you want to, of course. s

 But while we're on the subject of changing viewpoints, I think what you
(and
 Shel and Mafud and Christian etc.) are forgetting is that I was just like
 you a year ago. I was saying all the same things, making all the same
 arguments.

 Digital is coming to your lives as photographers, just as it came to mine
 (whether we also stick with film or not). The only difference between any
of
 us is WHEN we jump in. I jumped a little later than a lot of people, and a
 little earlier than you guys. It fit my needs to get into it when I did;
 doesn't fit your needs now.

 But it will.

 Cheers,

 --Mike
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Re: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread SudaMafud

In a message dated 11/22/01 2:56:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd guess that you could count the number of computers, etc., in private 
 hands in Ethiopia in the low thousands, in a total population of about 60 
 million.
 
 We may never learn the true extent that computers have penetrated Ethiopia. 
 But the low thousands surely can't be correct in that the nation has 
 electricity, but not near the degree of America. I'm reminded that 
 electricity is all over Europe, but outdoor toilets still prevail in some 
 areas. Some areas of western Europe have more private telephones than 
 indoor toilets. So electricity is not the benchmark to measure 
 

Most of the country doesn't have electricity to run these things. Most of 
the people 
 couldn't afford batteries even if they were available.


Again, you must not have traveled in the small metro areas I've been in.

Bear in mind that the average family income in these countries is less than 
US$ 100-
 per year.


I'm not going to get into a p*issing match here, but your figures are far too 
low and border on the ludicrous.

Maybe we travel to different countries. Poor does not indicate Destitute, 
though some countries in eastern Europe qualify for the title, as well as a 
nation like Ethiopia. My remark was not intended to explain poverty. I made 
the original remark in context with being able to view pictures in those 
countries without a vast network of electricity. Eastern Europe come easily 
to mind. 
More succinctly: you need electricity to use a computer or view images on it. 
To view photographs, one only needs ~light~. 

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Re: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread SudaMafud

In a message dated 11/22/01 3:06:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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 Harlem is a poor country.

A cutting, vulgar reference Robb, and unforgivable.
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Re: Depreciation of assets

2001-11-22 Thread SudaMafud

In a message dated 11/22/01 3:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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 The entire depreciation arguement is a straw man.
 

By what you said in your post Robb, you seem not to have grasped the finer 
points of business depreciation of capital equipment. 
Or you're exaggerating. 
When any business gets 100% amortized deductions for equipment purchases or 
the cost of doing business, the equipment does not cost you or your 
business one thin dime, not even for the maintenance of said equipment.

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Re: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

It's a GOOD thing you said:
 
 To view photographs, one only needs ~light~. 
 
 Mafud

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Re: Depreciation of assets

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

Start grasping the finer points Bill... Geez.

Tom C.

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Subject: Re: Depreciation of assets


 In a message dated 11/22/01 3:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  The entire depreciation arguement is a straw man.
 

 By what you said in your post Robb, you seem not to have grasped the finer
 points of business depreciation of capital equipment.
 Or you're exaggerating.
 When any business gets 100% amortized deductions for equipment purchases
or
 the cost of doing business, the equipment does not cost you or your
 business one thin dime, not even for the maintenance of said equipment.

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Re: MZ-5n and grip

2001-11-22 Thread Brendan

Dave trust me it helps alot, and if you want you can
try my MZ-3 and grip Fg or take my word on it :) 

--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 From: David Brooks
 Subject: MZ-5n and grip
 
 
  I was out on an errand for work yesterday and JUST
  HAPPENED to pass by Henrys north store so i popped
  in for a look at the MZ-5n kit they have on now.
  First time i held one and felt small rieght off
  the bat,but not to bad.Comes with the af35-80 zoom
  which seemed ok,but after a bit my right hand felt
  as if something else was needed.
  I know a battery grip is available(girl showing me
 the
  camera was not a sales person)but one was not
 available
  to try.Does the grip help make it FEEL like the
 older
  bigger AF/MF cameras.I'v grown used to the grip
  on the SF-1,nice and big.
 
 I like the MZ-5 better with the battery pack. Think
 of something
 about the size of an autowinder on the bottom of the
 camera, but
 with nothing coming up the front, and you get the
 idea. I
 especially like being able to replace the batteries
 for 5
 dollars, rather than 15.
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Re: Re[2]: Digital cameras are FREE

2001-11-22 Thread aimcompute

He meant Harlem, Saskatchewan.

Tom C.

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 In a message dated 11/22/01 3:06:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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  Harlem is a poor country.
 
 A cutting, vulgar reference Robb, and unforgivable.
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Re: Pancake lens

2001-11-22 Thread Rob Studdert

On 22 Nov 2001, at 7:06, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 From: David A. Mann
 
  I have no idea why people pay so 
  much for those things, but I can 
  see how they'd be useful on an ME 
  Super.  That'd be almost as small as
  a rangefinder :)
 
 Actually, David, that would be a much smaller package than a Leica.  A
 Leica is about the same size as a Spotmatic or K1000.

Hi Shel,

If we are delving back as far as the ME Super then the RF of the day just 
might have the edge size wise, think Leica CL and Summicron 40mm f2 :-)

Cheers,

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Re: MX Focusing Screens

2001-11-22 Thread Rob Studdert

On 22 Nov 2001, at 10:45, Geoff Moes wrote:

 I've heard that in order to use LX screens in an MX you need to 
 have the meter recalibrated since the screens are brighter and the 
 meter reads from behind the screen.  This could probably be 
 confirmed through experimentation. It also raises the question are 
 the LX screens consistent in there brightness or the recalibration 
 only be valid for certain screens?

Short of physically recalibrating the actual electronics of the camera at every 
screen change just note the exposure difference between a screen of known 
accuracy and the new screen and counter the difference by applying an 
offset via the ISO selector (note the factor on each screen box).

Cheers,

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Re: Monopod for heavy camera

2001-11-22 Thread Rob Studdert

On 22 Nov 2001, at 10:43, David Brooks wrote:

 I have started a search for a monopod to use
 inconjuction with the N D1 i use for on site
 stuff.I have been using the neck strap which
 basicly is a pain in the neck and have seen others
 using this camera carry a sturdy monopod.
 Can any one help me start the search with 
 recommendations.
 Its a heavy camera with lenses attached so a sturdy
 pod is a must and i know nothing of add on heads
 but would like one with a 90 degree tilt so i can
 go from landscape-portrait quickly.
 I have a light weight Slik i use for my video and 
 manual Pentax bodies but i'm afraid its to light for the
 D1

Dave,

Check out the Bogen/Manfrotto range, product details can be found at 
http://www.manfrotto.com/ , and for an idea of pricing 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/

I use the ART #434B professional monopod and ART #308RC ball 
head, they are quite well priced and it's quite a light weight combo. 
When the leg sections are locked I can put all my weight on it and it 
will not collapse. The combo easily handles a big body and large 
zoom and any large lens (ie 400f2.8) that has a rotating lens collar.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
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RE: MX Focusing Screens

2001-11-22 Thread Emilio Puga

Have you ever fitted a Pz1p screen in your Mx?? It works flawless. 


-Mensaje original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
En nombre de Carlos Royo
Enviado el: jueves, 22 de noviembre de 2001 21:31
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: MX Focusing Screens

Geoff Moes wrote:
 
 I've heard that in order to use LX screens in an MX you need to
 have the meter recalibrated since the screens are brighter and the
 meter reads from behind the screen.  This could probably be
 confirmed through experimentation. It also raises the question are
 the LX screens consistent in there brightness or the recalibration
 only be valid for certain screens?
 

Hi:
I am going to quote myself. This is the message I sent to the list about
this matter six months ago:

Yesterday I installed a SB-21 focusing screen, intended for use in the
LX
in my MX. The new focus screen is 1 and 1/2 stops brighter, then I have
to compensate using the ASA scale of the exposure meter.
That's the only change observed, besides the brighter image through the
viewfinder, which makes focusing easier.



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Re: Depreciation of assets

2001-11-22 Thread William Robb

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Subject: Re: Depreciation of assets




 By what you said in your post Robb, you seem not to have
grasped the finer
 points of business depreciation of capital equipment.

Or, I work under a different tax system than you do.

 Or you're exaggerating.
 When any business gets 100% amortized deductions for equipment
purchases or
 the cost of doing business, the equipment does not cost you
or your
 business one thin dime, not even for the maintenance of said
equipment.

Key word being when. I only know how it works where I live.
Foreign countries do it differently, I am sure.
Also, you may address me as either William (formal), Bill
(friendly) or Mr. Robb.
Just Robb is disrespectful, and I don't tolerate that.
Thanks
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