RE: New to group - Looking for advice : )

2002-04-11 Thread Erik Nordin

Hi Julia,

If someone tells you that you're note serious enough based upon your camera
body, you don't need to listen to them (at least not concerning photography,
they might of course have something else useful to say - good cake recipes
or whatever). It's the images that count, and lenses create the image. The
body just opens the shutter, although they tend to have more or less
developed aids for measuring light etc.

I just quickly opened the links to your Photo.net pictures. Great stuff,
very pleasant and beautiful available lighting. With a good portrait lens,
like the ones recommended by other list members, you'll be able to make
those future pictures shine!

/Erik

 -Original Message-
 From: J. Gerace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: den 9 april 2002 21:52
 To: Peifer, William [OCDUS]
 Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Re: New to group - Looking for advice : )
 
 
 Hi Everyone (I hope I'm doing this right!), if not this is 
 just going to 
 Bill I guess
 
 Thanks for all the great advice - plus the fact that 
 everyone's one the 
 same wavelength just makes me more secure with a decision.  
 Thanks very 
 much.  How does everyone manage this on their computers? My 
 husband just 
 set up a separate folder but - wow - there's  a lot going on here. : )
 
 I do post on photocritique.net. I would never have thought 
 that anyone 
 would recognize my name here.  So, thanks so much, Bill for 
 your words 
 of encouragement.
 
 I feel good that nobody here thinks I have a 'baby' camera. I was 
 getting the feeling that if I didn't have the top model then maybe I 
 just wasn't serious enough. I came to the right place.
 
 I just recently signed up for the NYIP course and as far as 
 portraiture 
 - anything! Though I find - so far- that I really enjoy adults/teens. 
  Manual focus and toddlers just do not mix.:  )
 
 I also have an 80-210, a 35-80 (both are like 4.5), and I 
 bought a nice 
 50mm 1.4 that I really like and I use it with a 2x extender - 
 so it was 
 a cheap way to get a 100mm2.8 : )
 
 Really, pretty new - Thanks for the warm welcome and I hope to 
 participate when I feel knowledgeable on anything...: )
 
 take care,
 
 Julia
 
 Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote:
 
 Julia Gerace wrote:
 
 This is my first message here and I've never seen this 
 format before - 
 Wow...
 
 
 
 Hi Julia,
 
 Welcome to the group!  As I was going through my in-box, I 
 noticed your name
 right away -- recognized it from the considerable number of 
 shots you've
 posted to Photocritique.net over the past several months.  
 I'm no expert,
 but I've enjoyed quite a number of your postings there.  A 
 couple I think
 are particularly adorable:
 http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?zzma5n-p10110737
 http://www.photocritique.net/g/s?zzmgJn-p10110737
 
 You do a very nice job photographing children.  Children can 
 be difficult
 subjects -- the little ones often don't sit still long 
 enough, and the older
 ones are often self-conscious.  Wish I could do a better job 
 of it.  I find
 it difficult to manually focus fast enough to keep up with 
 the action.  My
 16-month-old grandson doesn't mind me getting right in close 
 and shooting
 away with a fast 50mm while he's eating, playing, etc., but his older
 brother and sisters don't like a camera right in their 
 faces.  For them, I
 find that 105 is a good focal length for head-and-shoulders 
 indoor shots,
 and maybe 85 for including a little more of the body or 
 background.  I have
 better luck if they're engrossed in an activity and not 
 aware of the camera.
 My 135 is faster at f/2.5, but I usually don't have the 
 necessary distance
 to get the framing I like indoors.  It's my choice for 
 outdoor portraits,
 however.
 
 For what it's worth, I'd say you're doing well with the 
 equipment you have.
 A fast portrait lens might be the best bet for your next equipment
 acquisition.  There's a great site Stan Halpin maintains 
 discussing SMC
 Pentax lenses:
 http://www.concentric.net/~smhalpin/
 
 But like several other folks have mentioned already, your 
 creative vision is
 probably the most important thing.
 
 If you haven't seen it already, there's a monthly Pentax 
 Users Gallery:
 http://pug.komkon.org
 
 I think the May gallery is an open theme, and the June one 
 is a portrait
 theme.  Hope you'll consider sharing some of your work in 
 these upcoming
 galleries.
 
 Regards,
 
 Bill Peifer
 Rochester, NY
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Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Did Pentax make a high performance
K mount 2X teleconvertor for long lenses?
I want one to try on my SMCK 1000mm
F8.

If not Pentax, who made the best one?
I dont care about meter coupling,
I'll be using manual exposure.

JCO
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RE: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Erik Nordin

Definitely a hobby, although lot's of people make a living out of it, only
not me. It's also a way of travelling for me, a way of relating to the world
around, and a door opener (sometimes a door closer too).

/Erik
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Re: UK PDML 2002 UPDATE

2002-04-11 Thread David A. Mann

Cotty wrote:

 Date and venue: July 13th/14th at the Flying Legends
 Airshow, Duxford, near Cambridge.

 International visitors especially welcome, and we will do our best to
 look after you.

 I doubt I'll be able to make it.  I'm due to leave on the 14th.

Cheers,


- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
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Re: Can K1000 meter correctly with M42 lenses ?

2002-04-11 Thread Nitin Garg

In the auto mode, the lens diaphragm stays open so the meter needle
wont move. And the K-mount cams have no mechanism to push the pin of SM
lens which causes the lens to stop down. So one has to always use them
in manual setting (ie stop down metering). This actually allowed me to
buy cheaply lenses with stuck auto-man switch or sticky diaphragm but
otherwise good for use on k-mount bodies as these dont matter :)


On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 12:41:30AM -0600, William Robb wrote:
 
 That would explain the several stops discrepancies I got between
 metering with a 50mm f/2 bayonet lens and a 55mm f/2 M42 lens, I
 guess.
 I also discovered that the lens needs to be in the manual
 setting to get the meter to deflect at all.
 
 William Robb
 
 
  Yes it can! When you put the screwmount adapter on, the
  open aperture sensor on the K1000 body, goes to rest
  on the WIDE OPEN position, that is to say the camera
  thinks the lens will operate at zero stops down from the
  current aperture setting. Thus as you stop the lens down
  it gives a true reading as the aperture gets smaller or
  larger. This is the way the original spotmatic meter works
  except it didnt have a aperture cam sensing resistor and
  always assume the f-stop chosen was the fstop for shooting.
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Re: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread Nitin Garg

I read somewhere (dont remember where) that 7 element converters are
much better than 4 element ones (or was it the other way round ? :))

I guess thats not much of a help :D


On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:45:14AM -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Did Pentax make a high performance
 K mount 2X teleconvertor for long lenses?
 I want one to try on my SMCK 1000mm
 F8.
 
 If not Pentax, who made the best one?
 I dont care about meter coupling,
 I'll be using manual exposure.
 
 JCO
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Re: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

That raises a quick question...

Is there a limit to the usage of a teleconvertor? Wouldn't putting a 2x tc 
on a 1000mm making it very slow?

regards,

Rogier


From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Best 2X TC for K mount
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:45:14 -0400

Did Pentax make a high performance
K mount 2X teleconvertor for long lenses?
I want one to try on my SMCK 1000mm
F8.

If not Pentax, who made the best one?
I dont care about meter coupling,
I'll be using manual exposure.

JCO
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RE: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Yes, it will be a 2000mm F16!
JCO

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 That raises a quick question...
 
 Is there a limit to the usage of a teleconvertor? Wouldn't 
 putting a 2x tc 
 on a 1000mm making it very slow?
 
 regards,
 
 Rogier
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someone was selling pictures on ebay... question..

2002-04-11 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

Someone mentioned he was selling pictures on ebay when I asked whether 
people are pro or do it as a hobby (photography I mean).

Don't remember who it was, but I was wondering under which section you are 
selling it on ebay.. Cause I'd like to take a look (just interested)

regards,

Rogier

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Re: The Queen Mum

2002-04-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Nah, he's more like The Who


No. Nitin is right. What should be targeted are those who start these 
innocent totally off-topic threads. Does people never learn?
This is a Pentax forum and everything else is going to start flame wars.

Pål
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RE: to mount or not to mount

2002-04-11 Thread John Coyle

Dave, I think nowadays most slide shooters would mount only those which are 
considered keepers, and then only if they are to be projected or sent to an 
agency or other body that needed mounted submissions.  Having your slides 'cut 
and sleeved' by a pro lab is the cheapest way to go for non-process-paid film 
anyway. and is what I do myself.  It's amazing how ruthless one can be in 
ditching the disasters when noy tempted to keep them just because they're 
mounted!

For metering, if you are using TTL metering the effect of the extra extension 
should be compensated for automatically.  The only thing you may need to add 
additional compensation for would be reciprocity failure.  If you are using 
external metering, a good set of reciprocity failure tables will be invaluable.

HTH

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:17 PM, David Brooks 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 I have a ? for all the slide shooters on the
 list,do you mount or not.Is one method better for
 scanning and one for just viewing with a projector?
 I hope to do some slide film this summer and may
 scan a lot.Any help is appreciated.

 Also when using bellows and extensions,am i going
 to have to watch out for adjusting meter readings
 either hand held or in camera.

 Thanks

 Dave
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Pentax binoculars?

2002-04-11 Thread Erik Nordin

I'm looking for a small, sturdy, preferably somewhat weatherresistant,
good-quality and not to expensive binocular (up to about $100). Pentax have
the UCF range in various models (UCF WR 8x24 for example, almost exactly
$100) . How do they stand against the competition in this price range? Any
recommendations?

/Erik
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Re: someone was selling pictures on ebay... question..

2002-04-11 Thread Nitin Garg

http://www.mail-archive.com/pentax-discuss@pdml.net/msg66732.html

Ann Sanfedele i know has done this before. But thats an old post. You
might be talking of some other recent post.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:08:26AM +0200, Rogier van der Peijl wrote:
 Someone mentioned he was selling pictures on ebay when I asked whether 
 people are pro or do it as a hobby (photography I mean).
 
 Don't remember who it was, but I was wondering under which section you are 
 selling it on ebay.. Cause I'd like to take a look (just interested)
 
 regards,
 
 Rogier
 
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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

the best that I know of for your purposes might be the Gossen Luna
Pro, although they're not cheap even on the used market. There are
several variants, so you'd need to do a bit of research before making
your final decision.

The meter I used for years before getting the all-whistling amazing
dancing Sekonic was (still is sometimes) the Sekonic Studio Deluxe
L-398M. They are cheap, robust, accurate, reliable and entirely analogue -
no batteries. They only measure down to EV4 at ISO 100, so they're not
great low-light meters (the Gossen goes down to -4 or -6 I think), and
you have to insert metal slides to baffle the light in bright
conditions, so it's not as simple as it could be and is more fiddly
than it should be.

Other than that it's fine. But I'd probably recommend a Luna Pro over
the L-398M.

---

 Bob  

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thursday, April 11, 2002, 12:28:20 AM, you wrote:

 Some pending work may best be served by using an incident meter.  I'd
 like some recommendations.  I want something simple ... no zooms, no
 spots, no flash, don't need a gazillion functions.  Just a simple, easy
 to use, accurate incident meter that can lock the exposure reading.  I
 don't mind buying used ... in fact, it's preferable.  Suggestions?
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PENTAX need to move soon

2002-04-11 Thread Kevin Waterson

Sorry, went to wrong topic...

Like a lot of other PENTAXians I have been waiting on a
35mm Digital release. My main reason is almost $10k in 
glass I have for my bodies. My last PENTAX purchase was
the MZ-S body and this may well be my last PENTAX purchase.

Other than rumours, I have not seen an authoritive statement
on PENTAX's position with Digital 35mm bodies. Even a 
Digital back for the 645nII would be good.

After talking with others who use PENTAX I find I am not
alone in being frustrated by the lack of availability. Even
a 1.2 MegaPixel would do to get the ball rolling, instead
of what I can only assume is the 'waiting for the perfect
Digital 35mm body', it does not exist. 

I am faced with a choice in the near future of selling all
my PENTAX gear and jumping ship to Nikon, or, using a 
Digital 35mm from PENTAX. As mentioned previously, I am
no alone in this. Has PENTAX gone over in favour of the 
users who take holiday and snapshot pics at the expense of
professional and enthusiest photographers?

Is there a reason why, when I approach my PENTAX rep and ask
about a digital 35mm solution I am bombarded with FUD.
Why not a statement on their position, even it is 'We will
be releasing our new range of 35mm digital cameras in Sept
2010' so people can make an informed choice.

Kevin Waterson
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Re: Pentax binoculars?

2002-04-11 Thread Bruce Dayton

Erik,

I have a pair of the UCF Mini 8X21.  They are quite well built and
optically quite good. I don't know that I would consider them somewhat
weather-resistant however.  I have never looked at the WR versions. In
comparing the various brands, I was happy to purchase Pentax.


Bruce Dayton



Thursday, April 11, 2002, 12:23:03 AM, you wrote:

EN I'm looking for a small, sturdy, preferably somewhat weatherresistant,
EN good-quality and not to expensive binocular (up to about $100). Pentax have
EN the UCF range in various models (UCF WR 8x24 for example, almost exactly
EN $100) . How do they stand against the competition in this price range? Any
EN recommendations?

EN /Erik
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Re: The Queen Mum

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Rapp

I am very sorry, all. I started it as a respect for a unique individual. I
did no mean it to go WELL OFF TOPIC!

Bob
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Re: Good news!

2002-04-11 Thread mike wilson

Hi David,

David Spaulding wrote:
 Any album is better than nothing, I know...but the 'gem' is having a
 complete wedding. Really helps the sell.

Why not get hold of a couple of aspiring models, a clothing hire
company willing to co-operate and find a suitable venue?  There
will be some things missing from this [the light of lurve, known
to make all brides beautiful, for instance 8-)] but it should
display your photographic skills well.

Or is this unethical?

m
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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Rapp

I have had both. My old Luna Pro took mercury batteries and I dumped it when
they no longer became available. I even had the spot attachment, however,
the mirror silver disintegrated.

The 398M, as you said is reliable and it travels with me and my Pentax
Digital Spotmeter. I would, actually rather have the analogue meter as I am
colour blind and have trouble seeing the leds in bright light.

Bob
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From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Incident Meter


 Hi,

 the best that I know of for your purposes might be the Gossen Luna
 Pro, although they're not cheap even on the used market. There are
 several variants, so you'd need to do a bit of research before making
 your final decision.

 The meter I used for years before getting the all-whistling amazing
 dancing Sekonic was (still is sometimes) the Sekonic Studio Deluxe
 L-398M. They are cheap, robust, accurate, reliable and entirely analogue -
 no batteries. They only measure down to EV4 at ISO 100, so they're not
 great low-light meters (the Gossen goes down to -4 or -6 I think), and
 you have to insert metal slides to baffle the light in bright
 conditions, so it's not as simple as it could be and is more fiddly
 than it should be.

 Other than that it's fine. But I'd probably recommend a Luna Pro over
 the L-398M.

 ---

  Bob

 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Thursday, April 11, 2002, 12:28:20 AM, you wrote:

  Some pending work may best be served by using an incident meter.  I'd
  like some recommendations.  I want something simple ... no zooms, no
  spots, no flash, don't need a gazillion functions.  Just a simple, easy
  to use, accurate incident meter that can lock the exposure reading.  I
  don't mind buying used ... in fact, it's preferable.  Suggestions?
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Spotmatics and screwmount lenses

2002-04-11 Thread Conrad F. Samuels

David Brooks wrote:

  Hi Frank.
  Now that you have that MX,have you tried any of your
  M42's on it.I'm having a meter problem when i set
  mine on a K1000 and i was wondering if you were having
  success or not.


Well,  for what it is worth,  I did a few tests on my MX and the results 
are as follows.  I used the same spot of sunlit lawn for metering.  Setting 
was 100 ISO.

MX with 50mm 1.7 PK-A lens  reading was 1/250  f5.6
MX with 55mm 1.8 Super Takumar M42 lens was 1/250  5.6
MX with 50mm Meyer Oreston M42 1.8 lens was 1.250  5.6
MX with Tokina preset (!) 105mm lens on PK adaptor reading was 1/250  5.6

So there.  The readings are pretty consistent.  I can't tell about my K1000 
since the meter is no longer able to communicate with me..




Conrad F. Samuels
Kirstenhof SA
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Re: UK PDML 2002 UPDATE

2002-04-11 Thread mike wilson

Hi Steve,

Are you planning to buy (or otherwise acquire) a group ticket?

m

Cotty wrote:
 
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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Any of the late Westons.  With invercone.  No batteries and
nicely accurate.  Read in speed/fstop or EV numbers if IRC.

m

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Some pending work may best be served by using an incident meter.  I'd
 like some recommendations.  I want something simple ... no zooms, no
 spots, no flash, don't need a gazillion functions.  Just a simple, easy
 to use, accurate incident meter that can lock the exposure reading.  I
 don't mind buying used ... in fact, it's preferable.  Suggestions?
 --
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Re: ok crazy camera people...a ?

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

My old rule of thumb was, 400ws for 35mm, 800ws for 120, and 1200ws for 4x5.
That is with 4 heads for Portraiture, and with a single head for commercial
stuff. It always seemed to give me enough light when I needed to rent
strobes. Large groups call for mutiple lights not more powerful ones.

I have two old Norman 200B, and a couple of shoe mount (Vivitar 283) strobes
that work well for portraiture (with umbrellas on the Normans). This
provides Key, fill, background, and hair or back lights. The varipower
modules on the Vivitars allow good control of the latter. This outfit has
the advantage of being 100% battery powered. It lacks modeling lights,
though I can get by with my flash meter as I have a good idea of how
standard setups are going to look.

Despite the Normans, et al, I would suggest going with the type system Bill
recommends if you have to build from scratch on a budget. A few years ago I
suggested to some one on the rec.photo.* newsgroups to get a power pack and
one head, add heads, as Bill suggests, as money and needs dictate, then add
power packs for redundancy and commercial needs. Sort or a growable system.

Much portraiture can be done with one light and a reflector. Adding lights
makes things more versatile, but many photographers I have known chose to
work with a maximum of two lights outside the studio. With the retro look in
as it is, some current photogs try to make their strobes look as much like
hot lights as they can, one can even do a lot of work without lightmodifiers
these days.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto



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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: ok crazy camera people...a ?


 - Original Message -
 From: David Spaulding
 Subject: ok crazy camera people...a ?


  My question is...how much light to I need? Anyone gotten away
 with using
  330WS or so? This seems like a real risk...I might get a big
 group and need
  the little extra I don't have.

 I presently use a Photogenic 800ws box and cable with 4 heads.
 This is tons for 35mm, I rarely use full power with 35,
 sufficient for medium format, and a bit of a stretch for large
 format portraiture.
 If you are on a budget, get a box and a couple of heads, and add
 heads as your ability to control the light improves.
 I have disliked monolights since my head was nearly crushed by a
 600WS Bowens that was on the end of a 7 foot stand.
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Re: Interesting task Resend

2002-04-11 Thread Cotty

Hi Lasse,

I like a bit of Swedish line-wrap, when I can get it...

;-)

Cotty

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Re: Spotmatics and screwmount lenses

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Rapp

One lens, that I don't have the K equivalent, is my 85 f1.8 SMCT. I have use
it on my LX (in the past, the SMCT 28 f3.5 and 105 f2.8 screws lived there
too) with great success. The advantage of the later TTL meters is that they
are centre weighted and compensate for light fall off at wide aperatures.
Since you need to stop the Takumars down on the K1000 and the fact that it
is a full frame adveraging meter like the Spotmatics, care needs to be given
as to what you are metering.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: Conrad F. Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Spotmatics and screwmount lenses


 David Brooks wrote:

   Hi Frank.
   Now that you have that MX,have you tried any of your
   M42's on it.I'm having a meter problem when i set
   mine on a K1000 and i was wondering if you were having
   success or not.


 Well,  for what it is worth,  I did a few tests on my MX and the results
 are as follows.  I used the same spot of sunlit lawn for metering.
Setting
 was 100 ISO.

 MX with 50mm 1.7 PK-A lens  reading was 1/250 @ f5.6
 MX with 55mm 1.8 Super Takumar M42 lens was 1/250 @ 5.6
 MX with 50mm Meyer Oreston M42 1.8 lens was 1.250 @ 5.6
 MX with Tokina preset (!) 105mm lens on PK adaptor reading was 1/250 @ 5.6

 So there.  The readings are pretty consistent.  I can't tell about my
K1000
 since the meter is no longer able to communicate with me..




 Conrad F. Samuels
 Kirstenhof SA
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Re: Using a Macro Lens

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

DOF = depth of field. That is the near point to the far point that appears
sharp in the print.

Ciao,
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From: Rogier van der Peijl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: Using a Macro Lens


 Okay now I've followed these mails... but I still don't know what you guys
 mean with DOF..

 regards,

 Rogier


 From: Flavio Minelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Using a Macro Lens
 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:09:00 +0200
 
 Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
   ... What do you macro shooters do when you
   want good DOF and good surface detail?  Here's the object I want to
   photograph.  Suggestions gratefully accepted.
   ...
 
 Shel,
 Mark already provided a good answer.
 Scale is missing in your photo but the less the reproduction ratio the
 biggest the DOF with the rest of the parameteres equal.
 A slightly less sharp image is better then a partly out of focus one so
 I'd stop down the lens as far as you need and forget about diffraction,
 especially with the 200mm.
 One the other hand a wideangle provide you with much more DOF then a
 tele-macro lens. I did try a few shots with a SMC K 24/2.7 on a short
 tube (about 12mm) and i really gives you the sense of being inside the
 subject...
 
 Ciao, Flavio
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RE: Offtopic Stuff- please stop

2002-04-11 Thread Cotty

Taka,

Email lists come in different flavours. There are:

1. Unmoderated.
2. Slightly moderated.
3. Very moderated.
4. Highly moderated.
5. And then there's the Powerlist, but that's another story.

I belong to three lists. One is so well moderated that you can't even 
post stuff for sale with a 'FS' at the front of the subject line. There 
is an army of listmoms and they'll unsubscribe you if you even think of 
an off-topic word in your post. It's a very active list.

Another is so-so. There is one list moderator and he vets the posts (only 
20 or so a day, admittedly). But he's not totally strict, only moderating 
when it's obvious things have run there course. He removes excessive 
signatures with advertising, including mine (that follows this email - 
and he's a Mac man too!) so it's a tidy list. But fun.

Then there's the PDML. It has a great atmosphere. As Graywolf has written 
(very well, too) it can be a little brash here from time to time, but 
that is the nature of a very slightly moderated list. Doug Brewer walks 
very softly, but boy he carroes a big stick. Hardly anybody gets 
unsubbed, but it happens.

Now, I don't mean to be patronising, and forgive me if I come across that 
way, but:

with a list like this, it requires a little more work on behalf of the 
subscriber. What you have to do is set up a filtering system on your 
email application. If you don't like to read a thread, what you do is set 
it to go straight into your deleted folder. Most call this a 'kill file'. 
This way, amazingly, your eyes are not molested by the spurious 
blitherings of Off-Topic Ranting. Yes, it's a free world my friend, and 
with some things there is a price to pay. With this list, it's a very 
free exchange of information and ideas, usually with a Pentax-related 
issue g, but to get that uncensored, unmodified free excahnge of ideas, 
you have to be prepared to wade through stuff you aren't the slightest 
bit interested in.

Hey, I get the digest version and *I* have to scroll through Gigabytes of 
irrelevant text - sometimes - but actually quite rarely.

Without wanting to sound harsh - use the delete button, or subscribe in 
digest mode, or unsubscribe. But if you do hang around, and I would 
highly recommend it, be prepared for some interesting debate and exchange 
on Pentax, photography, and.anything!

Best,

Cotty

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RE: fav macro lens.

2002-04-11 Thread Malcolm Smith

Hi Shel,

Nice to hear you got a good deal. Thanks for the reply, I can't say I like
the new price, but that is just what I need.

Better start looking

Malcolm

 Hi Malcolm ..

 Well, yes to both questions, although I wasn't looking too hard.  One
 day I had an idea for some photos and realized a copy stand might be
 useful, and a week or so later there was one on eBay with a BIN price of
 about $125.00 or so.  So, I BINed it g

 I later discovered that the new version of that stand is over $450.00 at
 BH.  I'm real pleased because it's like new, right down to the carrying
 case, instruction booklet, grey card, etc.  The whole thing breaks down
 and fits into a suitcase for easy carrying. Like a lot of earlier Pentax
 (and other brands) gear, this is beautifully built ... much nicer, IMO,
 than the later models.  I was lucky to find it.
 Shel Belinkoff
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RE: fav macro lens.

2002-04-11 Thread Malcolm Smith

Hi Wendy,

You got one for HOW much? Screams

Malcolm

 I managed to pick a nice one up with case and everything just before 
 Christmas. Spotted it on ebay.co.uk and bought it with BIN 
 option. (I think 
 it was about 25 pounds but I can't remember if that included my 
 postage - a 
 lot of sherry has passed under the bridge since then)
 It would have been just the ticket for my still life PUG submission this 
 month, except I forgot I had the blessed thing. Oh well, I'm sure 
 I'll find 
 lots of use for it in the future.
 
 Wendy
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Re: ok crazy camera people...a ?

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Rapp

Believe it or not, and I do not do much partraiture thes days, I still have
an ofl Soff Shoulder I bought back in the early 70s. It is a portable
umbrella that has the standard base mount camera bracket and the flash is
fired into the umbrella.

I hadn't use if for years, but I picked up a Metz 45 CL1 and, with its head
(the 202 would not swivel so all exposures were calculated) I can use the
flashes automation. I would rather have a TTL setup like Pentax's AF400 but
I do so little flash work, the expense is not worth it.

Anyone else use Larson's Soff Shoulder? It was great for weddings.

Bob

Bob
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Re: PENTAX need to move soon

2002-04-11 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Kevin wrote:


Other than rumours, I have not seen an authoritive statement
on PENTAX's position with Digital 35mm bodies. Even a
Digital back for the 645nII would be good.


Pentax have stated in press releases that they are working on a K-mount 
digital slr. Thats authorative enough for me.
They also have production lines ready for a digital slr. Hence, I find it 
hard to believe it can be that far away.


Pål
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Norman Baugher

Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
Norm
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

by pro I meant someone who makes a living by doing photography

regards,

Rogier


From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:48:29 +0200

Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
Norm
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Re: Good news!

2002-04-11 Thread Len Paris

- Original Message -
From: David Spaulding [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Good news!


  Were people not getting married before? ;)
 
 Apparently not! The number seems to double each year...I had
to get the
 stats for my business plan. Crazy :)



Must have been a lot like this place.  The population hasn't
changed in years.  Every time a baby is born, some guy leaves
town. }:-)

Len

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Re: How we got to use the Pentax.

2002-04-11 Thread Carl Bowden

Could someone please take this guy's batteries out !!
  - Original Message -
  From: Nitin Garg
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:10 AM
  Subject: Re: How we got to use the Pentax.


  I didnt rage about anyone's mourning or their decision/right to do so.
  All i said (and all i wanted to say) to the original message was not the
  whole world is likely to mourn her. I meant no disrespect to that nor
  did i say anything disrespectful to that. I reacted sharply to
  suggestions that she had nothing to do with colonization and that
  colonization was good for all regions. She had and it wasnt good for all.

  Regarding other post thinking it ironic: I personally dont have any
  problem with the british rule (tho i know people who have) and that has
  in part to do with my british education. What is sad is that my
  british education never said much on the evil side of colonialism just
  as my other education didn't on the good side.


  On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:05:53AM -0400, gfen wrote:
  
   If someone, especially someone who lives in a country under the British
   Empire (or whatever term I should use here) wants to mourn the loss of
the
   Queen Mother, then so be it. Its not for me to judge, and it certainly
   isn't for Nitin to rage on about, either.
  
   Now, I didn't want to keep this thread going, either, but I did want to
   defend my stance a bit, and pull myself out of the hole I felt I was
being
   edged towards. :)
  
   --
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Bob Rapp

I'm not going there.

Bob
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From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: pro or hobby


 Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
 Norm
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Re: Tall Pentaxians

2002-04-11 Thread Paul Stenquist

I'm only 5'11, but I've been referred to as a MF.
Paul

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 08:15  AM, Cotty wrote:
 
  You watch: not to be outdone by anyone, the 67 bunch will now form an
  exclusive Tall MF Brotherhood...
 
 Though I am only six-foot-two, I have actually been referred to as a
 tall MF before.
 
 -Aaron
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RE: 1 Quart?

2002-04-11 Thread Paris, Leonard

If you read the Usenet newsgroup rec.food.recipes for a while you'll be able
to get their FAQs, which explain all of these units of measurement. It's a
fully moderated group, so the volume of posts are resticted greatly.  The
whole idea is to share recipes.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: wendy beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 1 Quart?

I'm familiar with both metric and imperial, but I know exactly how you feel.
I haven't a clue what some of the american measurements are. When a recipe 
calls for a stick of butter or a cup(!) of butter I am well and truly
stumped.

Wendy
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RE: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Paris, Leonard

Find a nice, used, Gossen Luna-Pro SBC. Mine uses the common 9-volt
(transistor radio style) battery, easy to find at any drug store, Wal-Mart,
Radio Shack, etc.  You'll appreciate it.

Len
---

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:28 PM
To: Pentax List
Subject: Incident Meter


Some pending work may best be served by using an incident meter.  I'd
like some recommendations.  I want something simple ... no zooms, no
spots, no flash, don't need a gazillion functions.  Just a simple, easy
to use, accurate incident meter that can lock the exposure reading.  I
don't mind buying used ... in fact, it's preferable.  Suggestions?
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread MPozzi

I guess semi-pro (whatever that may mean)...
My main income is as Market researcher/Marketeer,
however most of my photography, which started as a
passionate hobby, is being paid for and I use it to
buy equipment and materials...therefore non-profit. 

Michele
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Re: My 6x7 Buy of the Century!

2002-04-11 Thread Evan Hanson

Bill, I'm so glad another PDMLer got this one.  I was about to
bid when by boss walked into my office to discuss medical
insurance problems. When I saw it went for 64 there was a loud
groan in my office.

Evan

William Kane wrote:
 
 Hey gang,
 
   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1343911862
 
   6x7 camera no prisim, no lenses.  Sounds like the advance is sticky.
 Anyone have any idea on what this might be and how easy/cheap it might
 be to fix this?
 
Now all I need to do is figure out which prisim I need (and a lens).
 Can I get ANY 67, 6X7 or 67II prisim?
 
 Many thanks,
 Illinois Bill
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Re: Re: 1 Quart?

2002-04-11 Thread David Brooks

FWIW Paul,my converter program lists:
1 Quart = 3.785 Liter not sure if us or imperial.
1 Quart UK = 4.54 Liters.

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:54:13 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 1 Quart?


Hi,

Thanks for everyones replies, i'm glad i didn't go with my 
calculation/guess 
:) 946mls it is.

Thanks

From: Tim Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 1 Quart?
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:17:04 -0500

Paul,

1 US Gallon =  0.832675 Imperial Gallon (British) = 3.785306 liters 
=  231
cubic inches = 0.1336816 cubic foot = 0.0037854 cubic meter

One quart = 0.25 US Gallon = 0.9463265 liter.

Regards,
Tim Engel



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From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: 1 Quart?


  HI,
 
  I'm trying to mix up some Diafine and on the box it says to mix 
the
contents
  of each to tin up to make 1 Quart. Now living in a metric country 
I had 
no
  idea what a quart is :)
 
  Most conversion charts list pints and gallons, but not a quart. 
So I am
trying
  to work out what a quart is in Metric. My guess is that a quart 
is a
quarter
  of a gallon which would make it 1200ml (1.2litres) when 
calculated on 
the
size
  of a US gallon?
 
  Thanks,
  Paul Jones
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Re: STOP OT Posts

2002-04-11 Thread Evan Hanson

Salted or Unsalted?

: )

Jeff wrote:
 
 I use butter instead of gel on my filters to create a blurred effect.
 When I'm done, I can recycle the butter.
 
 Jeff
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Re: Pentax 67 and CZJ

2002-04-11 Thread Evan Hanson

Hooray another Evan.  If we get tweleve more we can match all the
Bills.  DO you have any details on the milling of the lenses.

Evan

Evan J Dong wrote:
 
 Evan (my namesake!) and Frantisek,
 
 I have seen and handled tthe following CZJ lenses that were permanentily
 modified to fit the Pentax 6 X 7.
 The Biometar 120mm, 180mm SOnnar, 300mm Sonnar, and the Meyer / Pentacon
 500mmF5.6 were all modified to fit onto the Pentax 6 X 7.
 
 It is not a matter of just an adapter, some milling of the original rear
 and machining is required to fit the Pentax 6 X 7 mount.
 The lenses all over the 6X 7 range without a hitch. Basically what the
 Pentacon 6Tl should had been in the first place, a 6 X 7.
 
 Hope this info helps you out.
 
 Evan Dong
 
 On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:55:23 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Since they were originally designed for 6x6 I don't believe they
   provide enough coverage for the 6x7 negative.
  
   Evan
 
  Evan, this is quite a simplification, without knowing exact facts
  I wouldn't say so. As I know exact facts, I also know you are
  wrong :)
 
  The longer lenses can and have been in the past used on 67. The
  Pentacon(CZJ) Prakticar/Meyer Goerlitz 5.6/500 telephoto has been
  used by fashion shooters adopted to 67. Although it was made by
  machining the rear part of lens I think. I have actually seen one
  in flesh, but not from close.
 
  The 180/2.8 CZJ Sonnar is a non-telephoto design (ie it's a
  longfocus lens) covering about 30 degrees IIRC, so it could
  perhaps cover 67 as well (non-telephoto lenses have usually quite
  bigger coverage than telephotos). This one, if you can find the
  older Flektoskop (for Contax RF cameras, like Leitz Visoflex
  system), the rear mount part can be easily unscrewed, and a
  simple adapter made from 67 tube could be made by machinist.
  There should be enough space for infinity focus IMHO (will check).
  I don't know if it would be economical there, here P6 lenses are
  relatively quite cheaper (or were, until Ebay), so it would be
  economical certainly over an original 500/5.6, and perhaps over
 
  Also, the Arsenal Kiev (IIRC) made Fisheye lens 30/3.5 CAN be
  made into 67 mount. See www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf and he has quite
  lot of posts pertaining to this theme, if you can find them. The
  deal was that the rear housing of the lens was removed (easily,
  as the lens is manufactured in one version but fitting two
  bayonet mounts, P6 and K88/Hassy1000, so they just exchange the
  rear part at the factory IIRC), and a 67 mount machined. Some
  have extrememly good praise of the fisheye, saying that it is
  better than the original Pentax (and certainly it is quite
  cheaper).
 
  HTH,
Frantisek
 
  P.S.: I think it would all make sense only for the 500/5.6 lens
  and the fisheye. I don't think the wides like the excellent 4/50
  or 2.8/65 flektogons would cover 67 fully. Who knows, though?
 
  
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Re: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread Jan van Wijk

Hi JCO,

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:45:14 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

Did Pentax make a high performance
K mount 2X teleconvertor for long lenses?
I want one to try on my SMCK 1000mm
F8.


I think the 'best' one quality wise would be the rear converter-A 2X-L
This is a large (over 2 inches long) converter designed for the A* long
lenses like the 300mm f/2.8 and the 400mm f/2.8.
It has a large lens-diameter to avoid any vignetting with those lenses.

I am not sure they will fit the 1000mm because they have a 'snout' that 
goes over half an inch INTO the lens you are putting it on.

If not Pentax, who made the best one?
I dont care about meter coupling,
I'll be using manual exposure.

Bad luck here :-)  These A converters (there is a 1.4X as well) have full
coupling for any A type lens. 


I disadvantage is that they are expensive (well over $300 US I think) and
are somewhat hard to find.  BH always used to have them new too.

Regards, JvW
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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

Well, I'll see you that 9v, and raise you one AA cell. That is what the
Sekonic L308B uses.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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- Original Message -
From: Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: Incident Meter


 Find a nice, used, Gossen Luna-Pro SBC. Mine uses the common 9-volt
 (transistor radio style) battery, easy to find at any drug store,
Wal-Mart,
 Radio Shack, etc.  You'll appreciate it.

 Len
 ---

 -Original Message-
 From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:28 PM
 To: Pentax List
 Subject: Incident Meter


 Some pending work may best be served by using an incident meter.  I'd
 like some recommendations.  I want something simple ... no zooms, no
 spots, no flash, don't need a gazillion functions.  Just a simple, easy
 to use, accurate incident meter that can lock the exposure reading.  I
 don't mind buying used ... in fact, it's preferable.  Suggestions?
 --
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Re: Why i'll take my IR film to a list member

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 05:31  PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Hey, Aaron, you'll be at our little pdml gathering this
 Saturday, won't you?

Sadly, I gotta say no.

-Aaron
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Re: STOP OT Posts

2002-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

And it was as least as relevent as the numerous posts bragging about the
poster's height.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

 The Queen Mum thread was far more interesting than the butter thread. I
 heard she was the subject of many Pentax photographs.

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Re: Another Toronto Meeting

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 07:33  PM, David Chang-Sang wrote:

 Think of the moolah you'd save in the elopement.
 Better think of the new 6x7 equipment you could buy with said saved
 moolah *smirk*

Were you on the list when I had to decide between the engagement ring 
and the SMCP-67 300mm f4 ED IF?  There was a used 300 at Henry's, it 
cost to the dollar the same as the ring.

-Aaron
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Re: Why i'll take my IR film to a list member

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 08:02  PM, David Brooks wrote:

 Maybe he can set up a dropoff/pickup box near
 Spring Rolls,like the FedEx guys doG

I couldn't do that -- I'd blow every cent I made at Spring Rolls...I'd 
make excuses to come out and check the drop box at lunch time, at dinner 
time, at breakfast time...man, it's 8am and I'm hungry for spicy 
eggplant with tofu.

I do deal with a lab in Barrie, if any of you are out that way.  ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Tall Pentaxians

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 06:01  PM, wendy beard wrote:

 Well, that's me excluded on two counts and I _own_ a 67

We're shunning you because you didn't vote for the 67 in the Favorite 
Bodies Roll Call.

Just kidding!  But we were hurt.

-Aaron
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Re: Outta' here

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 09:40  PM, David Chang-Sang wrote:

 Looks like you'll be here just in time for spring :)

To quote The Canadian Conspiracy, everyone knows there are only two 
seasons in Canada: winter and July.

-Aaron
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Re: 43mm wide open comparison?

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 10:05  AM, Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

I too like to do tack sharp 30x45cm prints, from 35mm, btw. Even
more - after I made my first good big prints, I almost don't do
small prints now... looking forward to the 6x6 SLR I am getting
tomorrow :)

Bad habit I got into while in school: 8x10s are 'small' prints.

-Aaron
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Re: Top 5 SLR - was RE:

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 03:03  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom wrote: Make your own list, buddy.

 Reminds me of Spike Lee's response when others fault his movies for 
 presenting his own people--or another group--in an unfavorable light: 
 Paraphrasing: It's my movie. You don't like it the way I made it? Make 
 your own. I don't blame him.

I remember him saying this.  Didn't he also address one critic's dislike 
of the way he chose to represent (or leave out) some historical events 
in Malcolm X by saying Where's [critic's name]'s film about Malcolm X?

-Aaron
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Re: Favorite Body Survey Results UPDATE 26

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 04:39  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Medium Format:
 - 645 (1)
 - 6x7 (7)
 - 67 (1)
 - 67II (1)

Brothers, are we just spinning our wheels here or what?

-Brother Aaron
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Re: 1 Quart?

2002-04-11 Thread Bill Owens

 I'm familiar with both metric and imperial, but I know exactly how you
feel.
 I haven't a clue what some of the american measurements are. When a recipe
 calls for a stick of butter or a cup(!) of butter I am well and truly
stumped.

 Wendy

 ---
 Wendy Beard
 Ottawa, Canada

Here in the US, butter and margarine are available in cardboard boxes
containing 4 sticks of the product.  Therefore, a stick of butter is 1/4
lb.  The wrappers on the sticks are usually marked in Tablespoons.

Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: Street Spirit

2002-04-11 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 05:56  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 Hey, I'm not down on my skills, I just know what they are.  You don't
 see me photographing flowers or insects, do you?

No...but you have some cat pictures, don't you?

Anybody heard from Mike lately?  :)

-Aaron
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Re: Offtopic Stuff- please stop

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

WOW! Paal called ME arrogant

Ok, now eveybody get up off the floor and go back to what you were doing.

Ciao,
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- Original Message -
From: Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Offtopic Stuff- please stop


 Tom wrote:


 But you are still wrong. Your perception of list reality is a delusion.
 Your list don't work. This list work because the majority don't behave
like
 they are in a bar.
 Besides, your last paragraph below is incredibly arrogant. If you do have
a
 position against moderation, please refrain from critisizing people who
 come to this list in order to learn about Pentax and photography.
 This has nothing to do with sensor ship or moderation but everything to do
 with self moderation. The latter can be translated into common decency and
 showing a minimum of consideration.
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RE: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Paris, Leonard

The 9-volt lasts longer.  And the Luna Pro SBC comes with calibration
instructions.  Easy to do.

Len
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-Original Message-
From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Incident Meter


Well, I'll see you that 9v, and raise you one AA cell. That is what the
Sekonic L308B uses.

Ciao,
Graywolf
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Re: Street Spirit

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

I love cats - cats are my business. 

Mike is stirring things up again.  In his latest newsletter he reviewed
the Leica pre-ASP 35mm Summicron, said it was a great lens except for
light fall off wide open.  Naturally that stirred up some controversy on
the list.  LOL .. he doesn't even have to be on line to get people
excited.

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 05:56  PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
  Hey, I'm not down on my skills, I just know what they are.  You don't
  see me photographing flowers or insects, do you?
 
 No...but you have some cat pictures, don't you?
 
 Anybody heard from Mike lately?  :)

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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Albano_Garcia

Hi, Shel.
I have a Gossen Variosix F2 (It's sold as Lunastar F2 in usa), it's a fully
spec'ed incident meter. It's digital, and the user interface is so simple
that you don't even need a manual for most used operations. It's in very
good condition, and was calibrated some months ago by official service
center.
It's a great tool, but I never use it to justify it.
It's at 380 usd in BH.
I ask 250 for mine including international insured airmail.
Regards

Albano
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

Yes, Norm, you are a pro agitator. G

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- Original Message - 
From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: pro or hobby


 Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
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OT: Spike's History ?

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Isn't that the same way that the recent academy award winning A Beautiful Mind won 
their oscar ?  

I never ventured to see the film but all the bruhaha about it centered around the fact 
that it was VERY loosely based on the main characters life but it was marketed and 
touted as being based on a true story.  Very little of it being actually true or 
real.

By this I mean, any story can be true if you choose it to be.  Perhaps a better 
tagline would/should be based on reality.  Then of course you get into the whole 
parallel universe discussions and the whole bunk about virtual reality etc.

Just meandering thoughts,
Dave


Original Message:
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From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:03:08 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Top 5 SLR - was RE:


On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 03:03  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom wrote: Make your own list, buddy.

 Reminds me of Spike Lee's response when others fault his movies for 
 presenting his own people--or another group--in an unfavorable light: 
 Paraphrasing: It's my movie. You don't like it the way I made it? Make 
 your own. I don't blame him.

I remember him saying this.  Didn't he also address one critic's dislike 
of the way he chose to represent (or leave out) some historical events 
in Malcolm X by saying Where's [critic's name]'s film about Malcolm X?

-Aaron




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Re: Re: (1)fav macro lens.

2002-04-11 Thread David Brooks

Saw a LadyBug on the driveway last night.Can the rest
of the bug world be far behindG
Thanks Bill,i'm looking to expand abit from JUST 
horses.

Dave
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This sort of stuff is always a bit experimental anyway.
Go out and shoot some bugs.

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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Dave Kennedy

I find it to be a great hobby/creative outlet. This way I can shoot
what I want and not worry about having to shoot what other people want.


That's what I keep telling myself, 'cause I know that I'd starve at my
current skill level. 

It would be nice to be able to dedicate more time to it tho. 

dk


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Re: Tall Pentaxians

2002-04-11 Thread T Rittenhouse

Hey, you are the second person claiming to be a tractor. This is too OT for
me.

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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Tall Pentaxians


 I'm only 5'11, but I've been referred to as a MF.
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RE: Offtopic Stuff- please stop

2002-04-11 Thread Doug Brewer

Um, just to set the record straight, I have never unsubbed anyone for being 
an ass, so don't think I'm sitting around waiting for you to screw up so I 
can nuke you.

Carry on, then,

Doug


At 10:01 AM 4/11/02 +0100, you wrote:
Taka,

Email lists come in different flavours. There are:

1. Unmoderated.
2. Slightly moderated.
3. Very moderated.
4. Highly moderated.
5. And then there's the Powerlist, but that's another story.

I belong to three lists. One is so well moderated that you can't even
post stuff for sale with a 'FS' at the front of the subject line. There
is an army of listmoms and they'll unsubscribe you if you even think of
an off-topic word in your post. It's a very active list.

Another is so-so. There is one list moderator and he vets the posts (only
20 or so a day, admittedly). But he's not totally strict, only moderating
when it's obvious things have run there course. He removes excessive
signatures with advertising, including mine (that follows this email -
and he's a Mac man too!) so it's a tidy list. But fun.

Then there's the PDML. It has a great atmosphere. As Graywolf has written
(very well, too) it can be a little brash here from time to time, but
that is the nature of a very slightly moderated list. Doug Brewer walks
very softly, but boy he carroes a big stick. Hardly anybody gets
unsubbed, but it happens.

Now, I don't mean to be patronising, and forgive me if I come across that
way, but:

with a list like this, it requires a little more work on behalf of the
subscriber. What you have to do is set up a filtering system on your
email application. If you don't like to read a thread, what you do is set
it to go straight into your deleted folder. Most call this a 'kill file'.
This way, amazingly, your eyes are not molested by the spurious
blitherings of Off-Topic Ranting. Yes, it's a free world my friend, and
with some things there is a price to pay. With this list, it's a very
free exchange of information and ideas, usually with a Pentax-related
issue g, but to get that uncensored, unmodified free excahnge of ideas,
you have to be prepared to wade through stuff you aren't the slightest
bit interested in.

Hey, I get the digest version and *I* have to scroll through Gigabytes of
irrelevant text - sometimes - but actually quite rarely.

Without wanting to sound harsh - use the delete button, or subscribe in
digest mode, or unsubscribe. But if you do hang around, and I would
highly recommend it, be prepared for some interesting debate and exchange
on Pentax, photography, and.anything!

Best,

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Re: 1 Quart?

2002-04-11 Thread mike wilson

Hi

David Brooks wrote:
 
 FWIW Paul,my converter program lists:
 1 Quart = 3.785 Liter not sure if us or imperial.
 1 Quart UK = 4.54 Liters.

Don't know what they are (Klingon quarts? - real warrior stuff,
anyway) but they are a lot bigger than any quart I've ever
seen.

mike
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Re: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread Fred

 Did Pentax make a high performance K mount 2X teleconvertor for
 long lenses? I want one to try on my SMCK 1000mm F8.

I just dug out the Pentax user manual for the Rear Converter A's,
JCO, and it seems that:

1.  The A 2X-S should work OK on the K 1000/8.

2.  The A 1.4X-S will show some corner vignetting on the 1000/8.

3.  Both the A 1.4X-L and the A 2X-l will work fine on the 1000/8.

Since the two L models will indeed fit into the lens mount end of
the 1000/8, and since these two TC's are specifically designed for
many of the long lenses, I'd recommend using either of them over any
other TC for the K 1000/8.  The L TC's really seem to be sweet
performers on the long lenses that can accept them (and I am basing
that statement on personal experience with both L TC's on a few of
my own lenses, plus almost universally favorable comments about
their use on other long lenses here on the PDML.)

The only down side would be the color clash - the battleship-gray of
the L TC's will look a little funny on the back end of that big
black 1000/8 - g.  Problems, problems...  ;-)

Fred
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Gear to take to an airshow (was: Re: UK PDML 2002 UPDATE)

2002-04-11 Thread Cotty

Might I start the ball rolling with a list of intended
bringings?

1. Large (and I mean _really_ big) umbrella 8-)
2. LX, Z1-p, Zoom 90 WR, 300/2.8, 24-35, 50/1.4, 90/2.5, 16/2.8,
AF280T, AF200T, various cords, winders, finders and flash
accessories. (Not all of this list is Pentax...)
3. Benbo monopod.
4. Senses of humour and patience

Significant other will be equipped with an Espio 140 and a
bloody big rucksack 8-)

Aha! A meaty thread! (grinning wide like Worf dreaming of battle)

Well, I haven't shot stills at an airshow before, so I was wondering what 
to bring. However, having said that, because there will be a gathering of 
PDMLers, I was gonna sorta bring everything. That way, folk who've never 
seen or used what I have could get a chance to play. I'm still hopeful 
that John Dickins will provide some lenses (at least) and that's reminded 
me that I must get in touch again and pin him down.

For an airshow though, I would have thought it's mostly telephoto work? I 
suppose a wide angle would be useful on some of the static displays. And 
IMO fill-in flash would be essential in a cockpit with a sunny day 
outside (ha!) and so I'll birng the modified AF280T for some pubic 
scrutiny.

Actually thinking about it, I'm getting some good ideas of what I'd like 
to shoot. Bearing in mind this airshow will feature planes of WWII 
vintage, the largest bird there is likely to be a Lancaster? It would be 
nice to catch a row of formated Spits in the distance turning, sunlight 
glinting of the canopies...

Anyway, my list will be:

LX+drive
MX+winder
Leica CL + 40 f/2
A*85 1.4
Tok 17 3.5
Tok 28-70 2.8
Sig 70-200 2.8
Tok 300 2.8
Tok 500 f/8 mirror (which will be for sale - price TBA with 10pc discount 
at show!)
AF280T (modified for fill-in)
Superia 200
Delta 400 + 100
Polarising filters
LowePro pack
Monopod
Oh yeah, nearly forgot: a working pre-production 6MP full frame Pentax 
DSLR...

;-)

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Re: New to group - Looking for advice : )

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Julia,

Many fine books have been written about the art of portrait photography. You might 
want to check your local camera store. Also, EBay has a section devoted to books on 
photography.

Last year, for a few months, PDML had the privilege of mentoring Tanya, a 26-year-old 
Australian mother who was just getting into photography, with an emphasis on shooting 
people in natural settings. (I brought her onboard after competing with her for an 
EBay purchase!)  She dropped out when she and her family moved to a new town. 

Can anyone remember the URL where Tanya posted her pictures?

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Re: Why i'll take my IR film to a list member

2002-04-11 Thread Brendan

Because of you I am now going down to eat breakfast
for the 2nd time today. 

-- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 08:02  PM, David
 Brooks wrote:
 
  Maybe he can set up a dropoff/pickup box near
  Spring Rolls,like the FedEx guys doG
 
 I couldn't do that -- I'd blow every cent I made at
 Spring Rolls...I'd 
 make excuses to come out and check the drop box at
 lunch time, at dinner 
 time, at breakfast time...man, it's 8am and I'm
 hungry for spicy 
 eggplant with tofu.
 
 I do deal with a lab in Barrie, if any of you are
 out that way.  ;)
 
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Rogier van der Peijl

I'm asking the rest of the list permission to shoot to kill

From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pro or hobby
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:38:09 +0200

And also, if you are not a pro and do it as a hobby, does that make you
an amateur? G
Norm

T Rittenhouse wrote:

  Yes, Norm, you are a pro agitator. G
 
  From: Norman Baugher

   Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
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Re: Pentax MZ-10 eats batteries?

2002-04-11 Thread Dave Kennedy

--- wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I first arrived in Canada and was trying to figure out which
 road I 
 should take to get on to the motorway to and from my home, I got it
 into my 
 head that Arnprior was Welsh for Airport (I'm in a foreign land,
 okay) 
 and therefore I should never follow that sign. Yes, I'm burbling
 nonsense 
 but it just set me off again seeing it written down.


Hey, we do have an airport :-) Just don't blink as you pass it on the
hwy tho. They do have a skydiving school there - If you are ever
interested in getting shots of skydivers landing, it is a great spot
(haven't shot it myself -yet). 

Back to topic  (kinda). I found the metering on the Mz-10 to be very
good. There are a few circumstances when it seemed to overexpose about
1 stop - seemed when the image was predominantly brown. 

Since I picked up a used PZ-1 tho, this camera has been more the
'family snapshot camera'. Easy to use, and does a great job. 

dk

 

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Re: Spotmatics and screwmount lenses

2002-04-11 Thread David Brooks

Hi Conrad.I did a similar test after work too,however i
can go from f5.6 to f 22 and not get the needle(on both
K1000's)past middle.Very confusing.
Going to keep hand meter in pocket for this work.
Could not get them to work on the SP at all.
Dave

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From: Conrad F. Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well,  for what it is worth,  I did a few tests on my MX and the 
results 
are as follows.  I used the same spot of sunlit lawn for 
metering.  Setting 
was 100 ISO.

MX with 50mm 1.7 PK-A lens  reading was 1/250 @ f5.6
MX with 55mm 1.8 Super Takumar M42 lens was 1/250 @ 5.6
MX with 50mm Meyer Oreston M42 1.8 lens was 1.250 @ 5.6
MX with Tokina preset (!) 105mm lens on PK adaptor reading was 1/250 
@ 5.6

So there.  The readings are pretty consistent.  I can't tell about my 
K1000 
since the meter is no longer able to communicate with me..




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RE: Best 2X TC for K mount

2002-04-11 Thread TM

Jan,
You've answered a question of mine before I've even asked it-
I was always wondering what the differences were between the -S
and the -L convertors. Thanks.

The snout to which you refer- is that cause for incompatibility
with certain lenses of a more conventional focal length, like a 80-200?

Are there any differences in brightness between the two?

Taka
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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Francis_Alviar

Strictly hobby but by my wife's account the money I spend on my photo stuff
is pro quantity.

How do you guys manage it?  I mean how are you able to buy all the goodies
and yet still be in good terms with
the significant other?  For the single folks, how are you able to do it and
still have enough dough?

Just wondering.  Didn't mean anything by this question.
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Re: Using a Macro Lens

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

So what's the advantage of that?  It would need to be enlarged 4X as
much in order to get a resultant image the same size as one photographed
to fill the frame. I don't get it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1/4 life-size means that the image width 
 fills 1/4 of the width of the negative.

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FDP grip - where to buy?

2002-04-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk

Hi!
Has anyone seen FDP grips for Z1P on the market? It is difficult to find
these days :-)

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Zooms--Why are filters so large?

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can someone explain why one must pay such a penalty in filter size when buying a short 
or mid-length constant-aperture zoom?

At the wide end, it's not uncommon for a 28-70/2.8 zoom, say, to use a 72mm filter. 
Yet the 28/2.8 and 77/1.8 can use a 49mm filter.

The Rikenon 28-100/4 requires a 67mm filter. Yet a 28/4 or 100/4 can use a 49 or 52mm 
filter.

As for the 28-135/4, its 77mm filter size simply dwarfs any f/4 prime in its focal 
range.

For telezooms, there doesn't seem to be such a penalty. A 200/2.8 uses a 67 to 77mm 
filter. An 80-200/2.8 zoom typically uses a 72 or 77mm.

What explains why short to mid zooms must be so much wider in front than the primes in 
their range, but not long zooms?

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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Norman Baugher

And also, if you are not a pro and do it as a hobby, does that make you
an amateur? G
Norm

T Rittenhouse wrote:

 Yes, Norm, you are a pro agitator. G

 From: Norman Baugher

  Can someone define what a pro is? G, D  R
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Re: Using a Macro Lens

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Shel, 
1/4 life-size means that the image width fills 1/4 of the width of the negative.

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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

What in your opinion makes it desirable?  

Paris, Leonard wrote:
 
 Find a nice, used, Gossen Luna-Pro SBC. Mine uses the common 9-volt
 (transistor radio style) battery, easy to find at any drug store, Wal-Mart,
 Radio Shack, etc.  You'll appreciate it.

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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi ...

I looked up the details on the Gossen site ... looks interesting, but in
truth, I don't want to spend that much money for a meter that probably
won't get much use.  And while I've not looked at all the
recommendations yet, it seems that many of the meters have flash
metering as part of their feature set, and I really don't want that. 
Maybe I'll have to take it, but what I'm really looking for is an
incident meter, pure and simple, that is small, and which has a memory
lock. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi, Shel.
 I have a Gossen Variosix F2 (It's sold as Lunastar F2 in usa), it's a fully
 spec'ed incident meter. It's digital, and the user interface is so simple
 that you don't even need a manual for most used operations. It's in very
 good condition, and was calibrated some months ago by official service
 center.
 It's a great tool, but I never use it to justify it.
 It's at 380 usd in BH.
 I ask 250 for mine including international insured airmail.

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Re: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread tom

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:47:24 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How do you guys manage it?  I mean how are you able to buy all the
goodies
and yet still be in good terms with
the significant other?  

I couldn't.

 For the single folks, how are you able to do
it and
still have enough dough?

I have much more dough since I split with my ex.

tv
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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Aren't selenium cells considered slow and relatively inaccurate in low
light?  And what's the business of using slides for this meter?

Bob Rapp wrote:
 
 Seconic Studio Master 398? Selenium cell - no batteries. Quite handy.

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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi Tom ...

See my questions about this meter in response to Bob Rapp.

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 The Sekonic Studio Meter, and all its past incarnations, is the standard.

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Re: Gear to take to an airshow (was: Re: UK PDML 2002 UPDATE)

2002-04-11 Thread tom

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:29:20 +0100, Cotty wrote:

And
IMO fill-in flash would be essential in a cockpit with a sunny day
outside (ha!) and so I'll birng the modified AF280T for some pubic
scrutiny.
 
Don't forget your macro lens.

HAR!

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RE: pro or hobby

2002-04-11 Thread Alan Abbott

The problem I have is that my wife is a Pentaxian as well so she 'notices'
 the extra lens and then I usually loose it!
Alan
 There are many ingenious ways, some of the favorites -- pay 
 cash, have the
 package shipped to the office or a friends house, sneak it 
 home and mix it in
 with the other stuff, so it's not readily noticed (doesn't work on all
 items)...
 Norm
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Re: RE: 1 quart

2002-04-11 Thread David Brooks

0.55 Kilo's,if my cal's are correct.
Dave
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From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:06:27 -0400
To: Pentax discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 1 quart


A stick of butter is 1/4 lb - I'm not sure what that makes it in kilos
:)BUTCH

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Re: Zooms--Why are filters so large?

2002-04-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Brendan wrote:
Due to the fact that it is a zoom, you have more groups and elements, there needing 
more light to enter to get the same F stop...

Brendan,
Why, then, don't we see the same penalty in 80-200/2.8 zooms or 100-300/4s? f/stop is 
just a mathematical quotient, an indirect indicator of brightness. If the designers 
could create an f/2.8 zoom with a 67mm filter size, I doubt they ever say, I'm afraid 
we must go back make the front element larger; the view looks too dim. In any event, 
the high transmissivity of multicoating like SMC has mnde the number of elements 
largely irrelevant.

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Re: Incident Meter

2002-04-11 Thread Christian Skofteland

Ah, yes, Sorry about that.  I had forgotten what your initial post had said 
about size and features.  I read that one sometime last night during a 
marathon session at work.

ps!

Christian

On Thursday 11 April 2002 07:08, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 Hi,

 I don't want a brick ... I don't want features and functions, bells
 and whistles.  I just want a simple, accurate, relatively small,
 incident meter.  I don't need flash metering, don't need spot metering.
 I won't be using it in a studio, so size and durability are a prime
 concern.  It has to fit comfortably into the Domke F-803 satchel along
 with my other gear.

 Christian Skofteland wrote:
  I just got a used Luna Pro F which does the whole
  thing: incident, reflective, flash and spot (with attachment).
 
  It's a bit of a brick but it's working
  out quite well with the home studio
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Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #2492

2002-04-11 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 11/04/02 13:43:50 GMT Daylight Time, Mike writes:

 Significant other will be equipped with an Espio 140 and a
 bloody big rucksack 8-) 

Mine will be equipped with poi-poi camera  Amex card - oh dear.

KR 
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Re: PENTAX need to move soon

2002-04-11 Thread Ryan K. Brooks

Ditto.

I'm _extremely_ brand loyal to Pentax, but this is driving me crazy.   I
took my first pictures at age 11 on a Spotmatic and a 50/1.4.  I now own
everything from more old SPs to a MZ-S, LX and  a nice collection of glass.

  The majority of shots I take are E6 and I end up scanning them anyway- I
do appreciate the quality of film, but for a life-long amateur, digital will
provide me with more immediate feedback and lower cost/frame to improve my
photography skills.

Like you,  I'll jump ship to Canon if nothing happens soon- and it kills me
to say this.   My Pentax ownership will be relegated to 67 and my original
SP.

R


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Re: OT: Spike's History ?

2002-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

They did leave out a few facts about his personal history and conduct that were 
unattractive but probably based in his mental illness.  It is not accurate, however, 
to say that very little of the movie was based on the true facts of his life.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Isn't that the same way that the recent academy award winning A Beautiful Mind won 
their oscar ?

 I never ventured to see the film but all the bruhaha about it centered around the 
fact that it was VERY loosely based on the main characters life but it was marketed 
and touted as being based on a true story.  Very little of it being actually true 
or real.

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Re: Most Used Body Survey Rules

2002-04-11 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/10/2002 8:19:33 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Oh, this is going to be a difficult one.
 As Bruce pointed out, it's not necessarily going to be your favourite one.
 Like for me, my favourite body is the MX, but at the moment the most used 
 is the MZ-S because it's still my new toy. Come the summer, it might be the 
 
 LX that's most used because it's got the sports finder or it might be the 
 MX again because I'm cycling.
 

I'm sure a lot of us are going to find the same -- I like my LX best, I 
think, and if I had to keep only one, would pick the PZ-1, but my most-used 
Pentax is the ZX-5n. 

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Re: OT: Spike's History ?

2002-04-11 Thread Nitin Garg

When i saw the move A Beautiful Mind the credits said inspired from
the events in the life of john nash. It didnt say based on true story.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:04:54AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Isn't that the same way that the recent academy award winning A
 Beautiful Mind won their oscar ?  
 
 I never ventured to see the film but all the bruhaha about it centered
 around the fact that it was VERY loosely based on the main characters
 life but it was marketed and touted as being based on a true story.
 Very little of it being actually true or real.
 
 By this I mean, any story can be true if you choose it to be.
 Perhaps a better tagline would/should be based on reality.  Then of
 course you get into the whole parallel universe discussions and the
 whole bunk about virtual reality etc.
 
 Just meandering thoughts,
 Dave
 
 
 Original Message:
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 From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:03:08 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Top 5 SLR - was RE:
 
 
 On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 03:03  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Tom wrote: Make your own list, buddy.
 
  Reminds me of Spike Lee's response when others fault his movies for 
  presenting his own people--or another group--in an unfavorable light: 
  Paraphrasing: It's my movie. You don't like it the way I made it? Make 
  your own. I don't blame him.
 
 I remember him saying this.  Didn't he also address one critic's dislike 
 of the way he chose to represent (or leave out) some historical events 
 in Malcolm X by saying Where's [critic's name]'s film about Malcolm X?
 
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Re: Significant others and Pentax (was: pro or hobby)

2002-04-11 Thread David Brooks

My wife suprised me,when i mentioned to her that
the show photographer that comes to most of our
area shows,was selling his D1 to finance the Dx and
i'd like to buy it and some computers etc from
him,i got a sounds good to me.Even when i told
her the costs,it did not seem to faze her to much.
However,knowing i was going to sell pictures to 
finance it probably helped.
On the other hand,if i look at a used film camera/lens
etc its the 'what do you need that for' look.
Thats why my 2 PDML purchases have been mailed to the
office and i can sneak it home.
Hey a guys gota do what a guys gota do eh.

Dave

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From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:05:32 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Significant others and Pentax (was: pro or hobby)


My EX-wife never allowed me freedom or free time to pursue 
photography so I 
was languishing for several years in the mid nineties.  Now she is my 
EX

My current wife supports and encourages me to have creative 
outlets.  She is 
my current subject (semi-willing) for my experimentation with 
portraiture in 
my low-budget home studio (basement).

She encouraged me to bid on a $700+ lens on eBay and was disappointed 
when I 
lost but happy when I won the consolation prize of another lens for 
less 
money 5 minutes later.

So, in response to your question, I have nothing to manage and have 
no need 
to sneak around to purchase lenses, etc.  I feel that I am one of the 
lucky 
ones.

Christian

On Thursday 11 April 2002 09:47, you wrote:
 Strictly hobby but by my wife's account the money I spend on my 
photo stuff
 is pro quantity.

 How do you guys manage it?  I mean how are you able to buy all the 
goodies
 and yet still be in good terms with
 the significant other?  For the single folks, how are you able to 
do it and
 still have enough dough?

 Just wondering.  Didn't mean anything by this question.
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Re: 1 Quart?

2002-04-11 Thread ERNReed

In a message dated 4/10/2002 8:59:48 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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 I'm familiar with both metric and imperial, but I know exactly how you feel.
 I haven't a clue what some of the american measurements are. When a recipe 
 calls for a stick of butter or a cup(!) of butter I am well and truly 
 stumped.
 

Four ounces, and eight fluid ounces, respectively. As noted elsewhere, the US 
pint is 16 fluid ounces. One cup is half of that.

ERNR
(Familiar with both metric and US measures, but not in the same contexts.)

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RE: OT: Spike's History ?

2002-04-11 Thread Mick Maguire

I heard that the Nobel speech was also a work of fiction too, that he wasn't
allowed to speak at all.

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