Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
Bill, does this mean that Mark works at, or runs/owns a lab? Bill said: > The lab I work at can go as big as 12x18 from digital. > The first 12x18 print I did from my ist D was printed within about 15 > minutes of being shot. > > William Robb > > tan.
Re: It's Stopped Raining
Bill said: " Or, use the character map." Ok, Bill so enlighten me on what a "character map" is... tan.
Re: It's Stopped Raining
- Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining > > It's about -24C right now, but the windchill makes it feel like -30C. > Takes a while to scrape the ice off the car every time it's parked, but > we're used to it I haven't even put on a pair of gloves or a hat this > winter yet. When the days drop to around the -25C range consistently, the > winter gear will come out. Did you here that environment Canada changed the way it measures wind chill? You have the disadvantage of living with the same climate I have, but having an inland sea right next door. I complain about the cold where I am, but Winnipeg gets it way harder than we do. I hear Edmonton isn't much fun in the winter either, though they at least have a good football team. William Robb
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
- Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" Subject: Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet > Mark, do you have a printer at home that is capable of printing 12x18?!?! > Or do you have a lab nearby that is able to make one quickly? Or do you run > a business yourself? Sorry for the barrage of questions, I was just amazed > that you said you were shooting today and that you already had a 12x18 > print! The lab I work at can go as big as 12x18 from digital. The first 12x18 print I did from my ist D was printed within about 15 minutes of being shot. William Robb
Re: It's Stopped Raining
- Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining > how to you get the little "o" > (degrees sign) next to your numbers?!?!!? > press and hold "alt" while typing 0186 Or, use the character map. William Robb
Re: It's Stopped Raining
- Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining > Bill said:"Right now, we are dreaming of the warmth of 8ºC. Daytime highs > here are around -20ºC, night time lows are probably > around -30ºC" > > Seriously, how do you drag yourself out of bed in weather like that?!!? How > do you get your fingers to work?!!? 30 below isn't too bad. 40 below is getting to the point where you don't want to leave the house. The advantage is that we don't get bugs that are as big as small dogs here. William Robb
Re: Regarding Legal Proceedings
- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" Subject: RE: Regarding Legal Proceedings > > PS: that was very good, Bill. Did you talk to a real lawyer, or did you > just know that stuff? Sorry about the typo. My wife is a paralegal. I come by it naturally, so to speak. William Robb
Re: can you read me now?
Amita Guha wrote: > Ann, could you send me one of the bouncebacks from me with the headers > included? That way I'll be able to see what's going on and talk to Time > Warner about it. Send it to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other people > and lists have been complaining about mail to me bouncing. > > Amita Sure , will do ann
Re: can you read me now?
Herb Chong wrote: > a reply is another email. there is nothing in the email protocol that > distinguishes between a reply and a new email. only applications know the > difference. your reply is another email and that is all that matters. it is > completely up to your friends to do something. there is nothing you nor your > ISP can do. this is RoadRunner policy. thanks, Herb! (I always like it when I can't do anything and someone else has to:) ann > > > Herb > - Original Message - > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: can you read me now? > > > Yup. That much I knew. One message got through _without a subject line_ > > oddly... but > > the thing is I'm not initiating the mail -- I'm REPLYING to someone on > their > > server. Very annoying spam blocking. > > What I was hoping to find out, is if anyone else was having a problem with > them > > - that > > is, people on other servers... > > > > It is bouncing from my reply to people who have me in their address book > and > > have > > Mac computers. > > sigh.
RE: Elliott Erwitt at the LEica Gallery
I have to second this one. I took it in the last time I was up in NY. I always try to make it into the gallery. >From the brochure I picked up it seems the exhibit began on 21 November. The next exhibit begins 9 January - Franz Hubmann: A 90th-Birthday Celebration Didi Sattmann: Photographs Looking at some *ist D portraits taken with the Super-Takumar 85/1.9 I took today, Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:29 PM -- -- -- (Butch, time to come into New York - tomorrow is -- the last day of this wonderful exhibit :) ) -- -- This is a small but wonderful show - a number of -- things there I had never seen before -- (which is saying a lot, since , as they say in -- Tinsel town "I'm a big fan, big fan") I -- sure wish I had been at the opening - I might have -- been brave enough to speak to him. -- Also, they were selling signed copies of out of -- print books - and had I been there sooner -- I would have not been able to resists a signed -- copy of "Son of Bitch" but they were sold out. -- The signed posters were $100, and were not really -- my favorites (fortunately). -- -- and I already have his autograph on a post card :) -- -- I don't know where else this little exhibit might -- be headed, but catch it if you can. -- All beautiful black and white archival silver gel -- prints. -- -- annsan -- -- --
RE: LX MLU
The topic didn't catch my attention so I am a little late to reply on this
matter. My sold LX had the same problem and I decided to tackle it myself as
Pentax Melbourne repair service was hopeless at the time. The MLU locking
mechanism is built-in with the self-timer assembly. What caused the problem
is the metal piece with a hole guiding the multi-purpose lever is worn. This
causes the moving part of the MLU mechanism on the self-timer assembly
doesn't move clockwise direction enough to lock the mirror. Now, if the wear
of that hole (a piece of small metal held by 2 tiny screws, or 3??) is not
severe, you can alter its position (to the left) a little for it to work
again. However, shifting it too much will cause other feature (don't
remember the detail) not working so don't overdo it. If the wear is severe,
you have to buy the whole self-timer assembly and extract that piece of
metal to replace it (unless Pentax has that piece of metal to sell, you have
to look up the LX parts manual which I don't have). This is a very easy job.
You only need to peel off the leatherette, remove the lever which is held by
a few screws, then you have complete access to that small piece of metal.
Just remember to test all functions of the lever before you apply the thread
lock.
Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Playing with the LX the other day, and it seems the MLU doesn't want to
work.
The mirror goes up, but won't stay up. In other words, when I release the
multi-function lever, the mirror comes back down, rather than staying
locked up until released.
I'm not worried about it at all, because it's a feature that I would rarely
if ever use. But, it's cool to show friends ("See? See all the things my
camera can do? The prism comes off just like this, and the mirror locks
up, just like this...").
I'm guessing that something's merely out of adjustment, or maybe a bit
dusty or something. In any event, I'm not going to do anything about it
until it goes in for a routine CLA or some other servicing.
I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem, and if so,
how it was resolved.
cheers,
frank
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Re: It's Stopped Raining
*eek*, it's a wonder that people aren't sick all the time with colds and flu with temperature fluctuations such as those... I am a real baby - I hate the cold and I would be quite happy to hibernate right through our winter, during which times temperatures generally range from 3degrees celsius during the night, and sit at around the 20 degrees celsius during the day. BTW Gianfranco, how to you get the little "o" (degrees sign) next to your numbers?!?!!? tan. Gianfranco said: "Tan, you'd better avoid to come here (Naples, Italy) in this period, when you can have a 12°C day, followed by a 21°C day and then another day at 5°C... (really happened last December.)"
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
Mark, do you have a printer at home that is capable of printing 12x18?!?! Or do you have a lab nearby that is able to make one quickly? Or do you run a business yourself? Sorry for the barrage of questions, I was just amazed that you said you were shooting today and that you already had a 12x18 print! tan.
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
Really Chris, do I detect a strange tone to your voice? Sarcasm? Cynicism even? I promise you, I could never lay claim to such eloquently written words, and yes, I do agree that the imparitiality and objectivity are to be admired. I'll have to look it up and see just who it is that gets chosen to write these things... ;-) oops, who put that wink there?!? tan. > > Ah, yes... I couldn't help but be bowled over by the overwhelming > impartiality and objectivity that is the hallmark of academic writing. :) > Good job on the transcription. > > ;) > chris > > > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: > > > Chris said: "That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :)" > > > > Chris, I have no idea what you are talking about, those definitions were > > plaguarised straight from the "Oxford Dictionary of Australian > > Pronounciations and Prose" - a text that is used and referred to in > > Universities all over the country!! > > > > > > > > tan. > > >
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
Mark, wear did the trails go?!? Cool shots, btw... tan. - Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet > The first one was shot on Royal Gold 400, so it's hard to say what the > colors were exactly like. But the first shot (last year) was taken during > a January thaw after a few inches of snow had melted, during a very dark > and over cast day. This winter has seen no snow and it was in the 50's > today - so the leaves on the ground were not tamped down - and there was > actual sunlight shining through a high overcast today. So the colors were > different, though I'd say the contrast levels are more the results of > lighting and media. > > - MCC > > At 08:18 PM 1/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >Are the colors in the two scenes really as different as the photos show? > > > >Mark Cassino wrote: > > > > > http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP2100_sm.jpg > > > > > http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/landscapes/0308land05.htm > > > > > > > > > - > > Mark Cassino Photography > > Kalamazoo, MI > > http://www.markcassino.com > > - >
Re: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell)
Gee thanks Tan. After seeing your photography I'd say you are very talented as well. Charles
RE: Bunch of OT stuff
-- -Original Message- -- From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:52 PM -- -- - Original Message - -- From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:13 PM -- -- > -- > to the DC PDML. Were you talking this fall about dogfish -- head beer/ale? I -- > just tried a bottle of their Raison D'Être, pretty good stuff -- -- It's one of my favorites! I reccomend the "Imort Ale" as -- well as the 60 -- Minute IPA along with the "standard" Shelter Pale Ale. It's -- all brewed near -- my parents' place in Deleware. -- -- http://www.dogfish.com -- -- Christian -- Ask Christian to pronounce it though. I got a kick out of it when he brought some to the next to last DCPDML gathering. Good stuff, but having some 2001 Bardolino Classico Lovatti at the moment, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Robert Chiasson wrote: > > For a while I've been thinking that one of these days I need to > > take a close look at the exploded diagram of an S3 or S1a to see > > whether it'd be feasible to modify it to use trailing-curtain > > sync. [...] > You should be able to add a switch activated by the same gear that returns > the mirror after the second curtain closes. That gear starts moving shortly before the curtain actually moves then? If so, that's bloody convenient and exactly the sort of linkage I was hoping to find somewhere in the mechanism. > It'll just take money, no problem. I have no money. Please tell me that it'll just take patience and steady hands... -- Glenn
RE: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Of course, the last IN FRONT OF should have read "BEHIND". > -Original Message- > From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2-Jan-04 18:14 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > If, OTOH, the car is moving at 50mph, but I am panning more > slowly than the > car is moving, leading curtain sync will give trails IN FRONT OF > the car (as > we normally expect from leading curtain sync), because the apparent motion > of the car within the frame is forwards. If I use trailing curtain sync, > the trails, also as expected, will be IN FRONT OF the car. >
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
The first one was shot on Royal Gold 400, so it's hard to say what the colors were exactly like. But the first shot (last year) was taken during a January thaw after a few inches of snow had melted, during a very dark and over cast day. This winter has seen no snow and it was in the 50's today - so the leaves on the ground were not tamped down - and there was actual sunlight shining through a high overcast today. So the colors were different, though I'd say the contrast levels are more the results of lighting and media. - MCC At 08:18 PM 1/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: Are the colors in the two scenes really as different as the photos show? Mark Cassino wrote: > http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP2100_sm.jpg > http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/landscapes/0308land05.htm > - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: First Photo Ever Sold was: Photography: Fun or Profit????
Anders Hultman wrote: > > It's two lines of Greek text that I can't read either, and then there's > this text in English: > > DANGER > CORY EXIT > 100 m > > We drove past it every day for a week, and couldn't figure out what > it was all about. A hundred meters down the road it was a hairpin > bend to the right, and an entrance gate to some industrial site to the > left. > > English isn't my native language, and I didn't know the word "quarry" > at the time. Apparently the Greek sign maker didn't either :-) > > anders I knew it had to be something like that - Nice irony there, though in view of "Whenever Richard Cory went down town..." ann > > - > http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
You should be able to add a switch activated by the same gear that returns the mirror after the second curtain closes. Note that you will need to keep the FP switch, as it acts as a safety switch in the X synch circuit - just disconnect it from the FP socket. It'll just take money, no problem. -- Robert - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > > For a while I've been thinking that one of these days I need to > take a close look at the exploded diagram of an S3 or S1a to see > whether it'd be feasible to modify it to use trailing-curtain > sync. (They've got two PC sockets -- "X" and "FP" -- so as long > as I never intended to use flashbulbs with that particular body, > I could wire trailing-curtain to the "FP" socket, assuming it's > possible at all.) I need to check for clues in the slow-speed > timing mechanism. Something needs to happen there just before > the shutter closes, consistently enough to be usable at several > speeds, that I can poke a wire at. >
Elliott Erwitt at the LEica Gallery
(Butch, time to come into New York - tomorrow is the last day of this wonderful exhibit :) ) This is a small but wonderful show - a number of things there I had never seen before (which is saying a lot, since , as they say in Tinsel town "I'm a big fan, big fan") I sure wish I had been at the opening - I might have been brave enough to speak to him. Also, they were selling signed copies of out of print books - and had I been there sooner I would have not been able to resists a signed copy of "Son of Bitch" but they were sold out. The signed posters were $100, and were not really my favorites (fortunately). and I already have his autograph on a post card :) I don't know where else this little exhibit might be headed, but catch it if you can. All beautiful black and white archival silver gel prints. annsan
Re: Regarding Legal Proceedings
Sad, I was just getting to know Frank. I had wondered about him after seeing the raindeer headpiece. :) Charles
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
Are the colors in the two scenes really as different as the photos show? Mark Cassino wrote: > http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP2100_sm.jpg > http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/landscapes/0308land05.htm >
RE: OT: Photographer-Spies (was: OT: Best photography novel?)
Frank, I got the same response for a friend today. She used to lurk on the list, but does not have the time to anymore... I was helping her remove a CPC brand lens that was stuck on her MZ-5. Finally got it off. Then I let her use the *ist D to test out some Pentax M lenses she got from ebay. She got a kick out of using it. By the way, she was the one that got the snake skins for my LXen, César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:13 AM -- -- Yeah, as normal as anyone else here on this list, eh Cesar? -- -- Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!! -- -- -frank -- -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible -- worlds. The pessimist -- fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer -- -- -- With a straight face, Cesar claimed: -- -- I am just a normal guy ;-) -- -- _ -- STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* -- http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3 -- a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmark -- et%3den-ca --
RE: Battery grip FG/ battery life
-- -Original Message- -- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:19 AM -- -- I just had a curious thing happen with my battery grip. My -- 5n has been on a -- break for a couple of weeks, after shooting about 3 or 4 -- rolls. On a couple -- of occasions, I've forgotten to switch it off as well, -- sometimes for just an -- hour or two, once overnight. Anyway, I was quite -- disappointed to see the -- battery indicator flashing so soon, so I removed the 4 -- Energizer e2 alkaline -- batteries (battery of choice, usually long lasting, and Big -- W has packets of -- 8 going for around AUD11, maybe USD7.50). -- -- Quite amused by those inbuilt battery life testers, I picked up each -- (presumably dead) battery and pressed the designated points -- as hard as I -- could to see if I could get a green mark to light up, and -- the strangest -- thing- the first battery was dead flat, while the other 3 -- were full or very -- close to it! They were all from the same batch, straight -- from a new packet -- into the camera. Would anyone have an idea of how this could -- be possible? I -- thought they were all in a serial circuit.. -- -- Other things I'm considering- for a while I actually removed -- the grip from -- the camera just for storage reasons (leaving the batteries -- in), could that -- have contributed anything? Also, I used the 360fgz for a few -- rolls (not sure -- how much this would factor in, since it does use 4 batteries -- of its own). -- -- Curiouser and curiouser! Any thoughts? -- -- Ryan -- Ryan, This is correct. I always have a battery tester on hand when I shoot. I have found, time after time, that when I check the four batteries that have shown as depleted on the unit it is almost always only one of them that is low. I have been able to reuse the other three with no problems. I actually came across this by accident. A friend was moving out of the area and had a bag of batteries to be disposed of at the military base. I told him I would take care of it. Just for fun I went through them with a battery tester. A great majority of them were useable. As a matter of fact, I still have quite a few of them still in my refrigerator. As for battery storage, I usually remove batteries and keep them band them together for use later. This minimizes any chance of battery leakage - but then again I have quite a bit of gear that it may be a while before I get back to an item. César Panama City, Florida
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
ooops - here's the *ist-D image I printed large: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP2100_sm.jpg - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Semi OT: Anyone do a big print yet
I went out shooting today and a made a 12 x 18 print of a scene shot with the *ist D. I have mixed impressions, but must admit that I shot a scene that I knew would challenge the digital format. Here's a small image of the shot: If it looks familiar, that's because I shot the same location just about a year ago: http://www.markcassino.com/galleries/landscapes/0308land05.htm I don't think one can really compare images taken almost a year apart, even if they are of the same place. I did a lot of work on the first image and printed several copies, and today did a quick touch up on the digital image and ran off one quick 12 x 18 print. Nonetheless, I am disappointed with the large print from the *ist-D. The tree trunks have a plastic look to them - they do not have the rich detail that they have in the film version of this shot. Also, there are several places in the digital image where the distant patchwork of leafless twigs just melts into a gray haze, while in the film version the branches retain their integrity. Lastly, the acutance of the branches against the sky is exaggerated in the digital print, and looks weird when you look closely at the large print. So, my first impression of a large print from the *ist-D is not so great. I suspect that in the case of close up shots - where edge definition is more improtant that resolution - things will flip the other way. FWIW - I shot several shots side by side with the *ist-D and Mz-S loaded with velvia today. Hope to do a more thorough (and valid) comparison next week 9when I get the vevlia back from the lab.) - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: It's Stopped Raining
Well, Tanya, Bill, you see, lives in a part of Canada called "Saskatchewan". It gets ~real~ cold there. Cold winds whipping across the prairies and all. I live in Toronto. It doesn't get that cold here. Even so, the average high here for this time of year is about -5. That's the high. Mind you, last winter we had a cold spell that lasted the better part of a month, with wind chills most mornings between -30C and -40C. Try riding a bike in that! We're in the middle of an exceptional mild spell for winter. It's been pretty mild here for the better part of a week. +8C is like a heat wave. Really. In fact, I would say something about G. W., but it would start another long nasty thread, so I won't. But, what you really want to know is: Did frank get any good pictures on his walk? Sadly, only took a few frames, and I fear it's nothing inspiring. Some days you see stuff, some you don't. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:36:41 +1000 Bill said:"Right now, we are dreaming of the warmth of 8ºC. Daytime highs here are around -20ºC, night time lows are probably around -30ºC" Seriously, how do you drag yourself out of bed in weather like that?!!? How do you get your fingers to work?!!? Give me hot sun, and sweat any day... tan. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
RE: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
You are partially correct. The blurs would be behind the apparent direction of movement of the object *within the frame*, not necessarily behind the actual direction of movement of the object with respect to the viewer. For example, if the car travels at 50 mph, and I pan with the direction of travel of the car, but faster than the car is moving, the car appears to be moving backwards within the frame. If I use leading curtain sync while doing this, the trails from the car's lights will appear to be BEHIND the car. if I use trailing curtain sync in this same experiment, the trails will be IN FRONT OF the car. If, OTOH, the car is moving at 50mph, but I am panning more slowly than the car is moving, leading curtain sync will give trails IN FRONT OF the car (as we normally expect from leading curtain sync), because the apparent motion of the car within the frame is forwards. If I use trailing curtain sync, the trails, also as expected, will be IN FRONT OF the car. You can do the same thing with a stationary object. Pan to the left, the apparent motion of the object within the frame is to the right, and leading curtain sync gives a trail to the right with a clear image to the left. Use trariling urtain sync, and the clear image is on the right, with a trail to the left. Absolute motion is irrelevant - it's the motion of the object within the film frame that matters. > -Original Message- > From: Christian Skofteland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2-Jan-04 17:40 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > > > either way (panning or not) trailing-curtain sync would put whatever blurs > were in the picture caused by subject motion or camera shake BEHIND the > direction of movement. You are still freezing the subject with that burst > of flash at the END of the exposure. Look at the pictures. The > headlights > are clearly in front of the frozen cars indicating that the exposure was > still going on while he panned (or didn't; I think he was > panning) but after > the flash fired. > > Quoting "Bucky": > "Forgive me for being dense . . ." > ;-) > Christian Skofteland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > > > > BTW, I should add that if a background were visible, and it exhibited > motion > > blur, or if there was a brightly lit foreground, we could probably tell > which > > sync was used, because the background is almost certainly moving on one > > direction as seen through the viewfinder. Because these shots are so > dark, > > there's nothing meaningful to use as a frame of reference. > > > > Quoting myself: > > > > > Forgive me for being dense . . . > > > > - > > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > >
Re: BMP Scans
Well, Mark, it's annoying to me. I'm glad you find that it's OK for you. I guess we just have different personalities. I know how to make an action, and all that other stuff ... it's just annoying. I don't like unloading the dishwasher, either ... although I don't mind loading it. My experience is otherwise as I've been using high quality labs that do what I ask them to do, and, so far, do it well. Even Ritz, a generally low-end place, has given me "no corrections." My quality lab does a fine job ... I won't tolerate "pretty poor" from any lab that's doing serious work for me. Mark Cassino wrote: > At 10:36 AM 1/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: > > >Well, assuming that the BMP files produce a good image quality, using > >them in PS is a PITA. Conversion from BMP to a PSD or TIFF file is > >annoying > > Why? Load the BMP, save as TIF of PSD. Or make an action that reads all > the BMP's in and saves them as TIF's, or use a utility (like ACDSee) that > will batch convert from one format to another... > > >, and had I been using color instead of C-41 B&W for this test, > >I'd have had to fiddle with that as well. > > I consider scanning and Photoshop work to basically be the analog to > darkroom printing. My experience has been that scanning and adjusting an > image so it is ready to be sent to a printer or presented on a screen takes > about as much time as printing and toning in the dark room - less the > rinsing and drying times of course. So yeah, you do have to fiddle with > everything... > > Of course > > >The lab's "high res" scans were awful. > > having a good scan as a starting point is essential. > > > I asked for no corrections as i > >was playing around with different exposures of the same scene. Of > >course, they screwed that up pretty badly. In fact, an underexposed > >frame was actually brighter than the normally exposed frame taken > >afterwards. It looked more like the following overexposed frame. > > My own experience is that scan software will always try to adjust the > image, and it's almost impossible to get a good neutral scan to work with. > Personally, I scan slides in Vuescan with no adjustments which gives me a > very flat, blah, terrible image. I then adjust it manually in > Photoshop. For color negs I set the scanning software to do minimal > adjustments just to get the colors in the ball park, but for difficult > shots it's easier and faster to just do a completely unadjusted scan of the > neg (i.e. scan it as a slide) manually invert the image and cancel out the > orange mask. > > >While I've not had this problem with the pro lab that I use, his mess > >leads to the question of how to reduce the possibility of this happening > >again, with any lab. I was thinking of including a calibration frame on > >the first frame ... maybe a grey card or a grey scale shot. Do you > >think this'll help? > > I'd expect the lab to be able to kick out scans as good as machine prints > from the negs - which are usually pretty poor. You'd be better off IMO > getting the to do truly neutral scans but those will look really terrible > right off the disk. But then you have the raw data and can adjust to fit > your own tastes. > > - MCC > - > > Mark Cassino Photography > > Kalamazoo, MI > > http://www.markcassino.com > > -
Re: Bunch of OT stuff
- Original Message - From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: OT: Bunch of OT stuff > > to the DC PDML. Were you talking this fall about dogfish head beer/ale? I > just tried a bottle of their Raison D'Être, pretty good stuff It's one of my favorites! I reccomend the "Imort Ale" as well as the 60 Minute IPA along with the "standard" Shelter Pale Ale. It's all brewed near my parents' place in Deleware. http://www.dogfish.com Christian
Re: Regarding Legal Proceedings
Bernard, a legal partner(?!?) declared in this here public forum known as PDML: "Please be advised that our client, Mr. F Therriault, has been declared unable to look after his own affairs by a judicial order instigated by his family. A few days ago, Mr. Therriault started an action against certain members of the Pentax Discuss organization. This action will proceed, as Mr. Therriault is not deemed compentant to dismiss his council, and his legal guardian feels this action has enough merit to go ahead." Commiserations to you Frank, it seems that it is all out of your hands now. I will be sure to visit you in the Loony Bin, and I will endeavour to pass the hat around to fellow PDML'ers so that we may all be able to put in for a Pentax oriented "Care Package" for you too Pity, don't think they'd have any Photo Lab facilities within those padded walls though At least it will make great sound insulation, no more worries about noisy autofocus or shutter sounds... BTW, your LX MLU never did stop working, that was just crazed mind of yours playing tricks on you... tan.
Re: It's Stopped Raining
LOL! Tan, you'd better avoid to come here (Naples, Italy) in this period, when you can have a 12°C day, followed by a 21°C day and then another day at 5°C... (really happened last December.) Gianfranco PS: yesterday we had a almost constant 9°C temp, not that bad. PPS: Frank, you are crazy. Vox Populi, Vox Dei... :-) So am I, btw... - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining > Ok, I now declare Frank to be 100% crazy... > > 8 degrees celsius!?!?!? That is "sitting by the fire, wrapped in a blanket, > watching a DVD and drinking hot milo (aussie hot chocolate), weather in > these parts. And in fact, I don't think it is ever below 18 degrees celsius > in anytime other than the dead of night, at any time of the year around > here. I think that last year, in the middle of winter, the coldest night > was around 0 degrees celsius (for like, half an hour at sunrise!) in the > early morning, and the coldest temp during the day was around 19 degrees > celsius... Going outside to photograph at 8 degrees celsius, well, lets > just say, you won't have anywhere left to warm your films next time you > remove them from the fridge, if you do it on a regular basis... > > tan. > = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
On 2 Jan 2004 at 16:44, Bob W wrote: > Hi, > > 'winjing' is correct. The phrase is usually 'bloody whinging Pommie > bastards' though. > > Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so > much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent. Bob, I don't know if you are aware of one of your current export programs "A Place Down Under", it's not good, it confirms all the Aussie beliefs about Poms :-( See: http://www.thewest.com.au/20031209/news/general/tw-news-general-home- sto116829.html Rob an Antipodean decadent of convicts (and relatives of landed gentry) :-)
Re: PUG "January" is open
Tanya Mayer Photography <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Love the sidelighting in " Walking on a Strange Animal " by Gianfranco > Irlanda, a shot that was captured with great timing! > Hi Tanya, Thanks for the kind words. Actually I had a lot of time for taking that picture (I shot two or three frames with the 645 and at least five frames with the same lens on the Z-1p - which means mounting the adapter, etc.). In another couple of shots there were two butterflies. They spent around two minutes on Veronica's fingers (and probably they would have rested there even longer if Veronica did not move - she was really patient to wait for me to take the pictures...) Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
Chris said: "That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :)" Chris, I have no idea what you are talking about, those definitions were plaguarised straight from the "Oxford Dictionary of Australian Pronounciations and Prose" - a text that is used and referred to in Universities all over the country!! tan.
Re: BMP Scans
Yes Herb, I know that Herb Chong wrote: > none of your problems have anything to do with the file format or any of the > equipment. it had to do with a scanner operator that didn't give a damn or > didn't know anything. >
Re: OT: Bunch of OT stuff
There's a whole section devoted to the Fuji DSLRs here: http://www.robgalbraith.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php The camera seems to give great color, but a number of them have had problems and Fuji support doesn't get good reviews. Rumor has it that there's an S3 in the pipeline. BR Subject: OT: Bunch of OT stuff Does anyone have any experience with the Fuji S2? any comments for or against?
Re: It's Stopped Raining
Bill said:"Right now, we are dreaming of the warmth of 8ºC. Daytime highs here are around -20ºC, night time lows are probably around -30ºC" Seriously, how do you drag yourself out of bed in weather like that?!!? How do you get your fingers to work?!!? Give me hot sun, and sweat any day... tan.
Re: BMP Scans
Hi Bob ... Well, you know my feelings about getting high quality scans. When I said "tweak" (admittedly a poor word choice) I was referencing my admonishment to this particular lab to make no corrections for exposure, which I mentioned in my original post. The default is to make adjustments, so mo adjustments is perhaps? a tweak. Bob W wrote: > You may also want to rethink the idea of having them tweak your scans. > If they've profiled the scanner then you want them to use those exact > same settings for each scan they do for you; that way you get exactly > what the scanner saw, which should be the best it was capable of > getting from your negative or slide. In other words, you should be > trying to work from a fixed baseline all the time. > > Bob
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
either way (panning or not) trailing-curtain sync would put whatever blurs were in the picture caused by subject motion or camera shake BEHIND the direction of movement. You are still freezing the subject with that burst of flash at the END of the exposure. Look at the pictures. The headlights are clearly in front of the frozen cars indicating that the exposure was still going on while he panned (or didn't; I think he was panning) but after the flash fired. Quoting "Bucky": "Forgive me for being dense . . ." ;-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > BTW, I should add that if a background were visible, and it exhibited motion > blur, or if there was a brightly lit foreground, we could probably tell which > sync was used, because the background is almost certainly moving on one > direction as seen through the viewfinder. Because these shots are so dark, > there's nothing meaningful to use as a frame of reference. > > Quoting myself: > > > Forgive me for being dense . . . > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
Ok, so moral of the story is that I am better off just bying a normal flat screen 19" monitor that costs pretty much half the price of the LCD displays anyways?!!? Just gotta find room on my desktop for the huge montrosity of a thing... tan.
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
On 2 Jan 2004 at 13:37, John Francis wrote: > That sounds very much as though they were still using a monitor gamma > response curve. LCD displays have a very different gamma value. Virtually no photo-apps (but some specific LCD cal products) have the complex S- shaped curves required to pull LCD monitors into reasonable linearity. When calibrated the gammas are very similar, generically LCD doesn't not out perform CRT in this respect. > Sshhh - don't tell the guys in the film industry. Back when I was > working for SGI the biggest customers for the LCD displays were from > the folks working on special effects for films. One of the major > selling points of the LCD was the ability for it to be accurately > (and repeatably) calibrated for colour reproduction. Another was > the contrast ratio, which far exceeeds what a conventional monitor > can do. This is assuming of course that you are comparing them next to a CRT with has a high reflectivity phosphor mask and isn't hooded (or otherwise protected from direct lighting). Using a CRT under ideal conditions can provide a 10x contrast advantage over LCDs. The paper "LCDs Versus CRTsColor-Calibration and Gamut Considerations" by GAURAV SHARMA, is a good read, it can be found on the web as: lcdvscrtprocieee.pdf Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: It's Stopped Raining
- Original Message - From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" Subject: Re: It's Stopped Raining > > > 8 degrees celsius!?!?!? .. Going outside to photograph at 8 degrees celsius, well, lets > just say, you won't have anywhere left to warm your films next time you > remove them from the fridge, if you do it on a regular basis... Right now, we are dreaming of the warmth of 8ºC. Daytime highs here are around -20ºC, night time lows are probably around -30ºC William Robb
Re: It's Stopped Raining
Ok, I now declare Frank to be 100% crazy... 8 degrees celsius!?!?!? That is "sitting by the fire, wrapped in a blanket, watching a DVD and drinking hot milo (aussie hot chocolate), weather in these parts. And in fact, I don't think it is ever below 18 degrees celsius in anytime other than the dead of night, at any time of the year around here. I think that last year, in the middle of winter, the coldest night was around 0 degrees celsius (for like, half an hour at sunrise!) in the early morning, and the coldest temp during the day was around 19 degrees celsius... Going outside to photograph at 8 degrees celsius, well, lets just say, you won't have anywhere left to warm your films next time you remove them from the fridge, if you do it on a regular basis... tan.
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
That has to be the best o' the lot so far. Thanks, Tan. :) chris On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: > Chris asked... "How do you pronounce "whinging"? I assume it's wine-ing, > but I keep saying win-jing in my head." > > then, Bob said: "Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we > whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent" > > followed by Franks image of fairygirl in a, *gulp* cheerleader's outfit... > *eek*... > > and then, Chris's observations of fairygirl "complaining about her puppies > or something"... > > it gets worse... cause then, Bob W chimes in with his FANTASTIC explanation > of the definition and history behind the terminology "bloody whinging pommy > bastards" and adviced that fairygirl could "remove her cheerleader's outfit > now" *double EEK*... > > to which Graywolf added his very concise, and accurate definition of the > aforementioned terminology... > > and then, Cotty, the only one who apparently is talking ANY sense at all, > sums it all up with "World Goes Mad - Official"... > > WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and > literally laughed my way through breakfast. You guys are so hilarious, and > have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold... > > Ok, seems that there is an Aussie accent lesson in order here... > > The terminology is pronounced as follows in my "neck o' the woods" (thanks > for the quote Al Rocker...), hehe... > > drum-roll please... > > "blud-dee win-jin' pom-ee baar-stads!" (with emphasis on the EXCLAMATION > mark!) lol... > > meaning as follows in said context: > > "bloody" - please place emphasis on the following terminology, and know that > it is said with passion... > > "whinging" - a verbal occurance that happens frequently and continuously, > usually a complaint of sorts, that is both annoying and punishable with > violence toward the whinger, if repeated frequently and continuously > enough... (the point at which it reaches "enough" is decided upon at the > discretion of the whingee...") > > "pommy" - an individual of English descent, usually with fair skin, pink > cheeks, and generally assumed to have a very strange concept of bathing... > > "bastard" - an australian colloquial, generally meaning "whinging pommy", so > really, a tautology when used in conjunction with the above defined terms, > *however*, in typical australian form, it generally has many meanins and can > also be taken as a term of endearance when used in an altogether separate > context... eg. "how ya goin', ya fat bastard?", usually accompanied by a > friendly slap on the back, and said as the recipient is being offered a > seat, and having a "coldie" forced into his awaiting palm. This term has > also been known to be used in context with display of the typically > Australian "tall poppy syndrome", when someone achieves at a high level of > their chosen vocation, phrased as follows "'friggin' lucky bastard, how did > he/she manage to get THAT far/famous/rich etc?!?" > > hope this clears some things up for you, obviously uneducated mob of > vegemite hating, pentax loving, bloody hooligans... > > hooroo...! > > tan. *as she ducks for cover* >
Re: Evening / night photography
Ho hum, only serves to remind me how hopeless I am at anything that doesn't involve people! Tom these shots are fantastic! Don't ask me why, but I really love this on: http://www.bigdayphoto.com/cityscapes/munich_subway_04020001.htm tan.
Re: Nick's pics
Some great shots there Nick! I particularly love that bee one, I have tried shooting bees before and they are bloody hard - the move so quickly and are so difficult to get in focus! Now, if you could only add some cute little babies faces poking out of those "bee outfits", the image would be just about perfect... (that one was for Frank, the huge fan of all things Anne Geddes) tan.
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
Chris asked... "How do you pronounce "whinging"? I assume it's wine-ing, but I keep saying win-jing in my head." then, Bob said: "Australians pronounce 'bastards' wonderfully. That's why we whinge so much - we just love to listen to their cute little accent" followed by Franks image of fairygirl in a, *gulp* cheerleader's outfit... *eek*... and then, Chris's observations of fairygirl "complaining about her puppies or something"... it gets worse... cause then, Bob W chimes in with his FANTASTIC explanation of the definition and history behind the terminology "bloody whinging pommy bastards" and adviced that fairygirl could "remove her cheerleader's outfit now" *double EEK*... to which Graywolf added his very concise, and accurate definition of the aforementioned terminology... and then, Cotty, the only one who apparently is talking ANY sense at all, sums it all up with "World Goes Mad - Official"... WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and literally laughed my way through breakfast. You guys are so hilarious, and have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold... Ok, seems that there is an Aussie accent lesson in order here... The terminology is pronounced as follows in my "neck o' the woods" (thanks for the quote Al Rocker...), hehe... drum-roll please... "blud-dee win-jin' pom-ee baar-stads!" (with emphasis on the EXCLAMATION mark!) lol... meaning as follows in said context: "bloody" - please place emphasis on the following terminology, and know that it is said with passion... "whinging" - a verbal occurance that happens frequently and continuously, usually a complaint of sorts, that is both annoying and punishable with violence toward the whinger, if repeated frequently and continuously enough... (the point at which it reaches "enough" is decided upon at the discretion of the whingee...") "pommy" - an individual of English descent, usually with fair skin, pink cheeks, and generally assumed to have a very strange concept of bathing... "bastard" - an australian colloquial, generally meaning "whinging pommy", so really, a tautology when used in conjunction with the above defined terms, *however*, in typical australian form, it generally has many meanins and can also be taken as a term of endearance when used in an altogether separate context... eg. "how ya goin', ya fat bastard?", usually accompanied by a friendly slap on the back, and said as the recipient is being offered a seat, and having a "coldie" forced into his awaiting palm. This term has also been known to be used in context with display of the typically Australian "tall poppy syndrome", when someone achieves at a high level of their chosen vocation, phrased as follows "'friggin' lucky bastard, how did he/she manage to get THAT far/famous/rich etc?!?" hope this clears some things up for you, obviously uneducated mob of vegemite hating, pentax loving, bloody hooligans... hooroo...! tan. *as she ducks for cover*
Re: Photodisks Failing
On 3 Jan 2004 at 2:28, Pieter Nagel wrote: > That said, despite knowing that the fast majority of my photography > henceforth will be digital. I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of my > future film work will be with the LX, due to the OTF metering, of a future > foray into medium format. Whilst I'm pretty confident that my digital images will remain viable and protected given the means that I take to protect them I'm with you to a degree. I bet both ways, pure digi for the snap-shot events and film for anything that's more demanding/important to me and then I make a whopping scan so that it's backed up :-) IMHO Few factors have more relevance to the longevity of photo or storage media than correct storage and handling. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Carl Zeiss Lenses
Hi, several people here have experience of Carl Zeiss lenses. Some of us like them, some of us prefer Pentax. I prefer Zeiss, on balance, but they are very expensive and if I'd been spending my own money when I bought them I wouldn't have, if you see what I mean. To put it into perspective, I had a good set of Pentax K, M, A and A* lenses, from 24mm up to 400mm, which I was by and large quite happy with. I'd bought them all over a period of years on the 2nd-hand market. They were stolen and I was lucky or wise enough to have a new-for-old insurance policy, and ended up with a set of new Contax and Zeiss equipment, with manual focus lenses from 21mm to 300mm. I prefer the colour rendition, balance and warmth of the CZ lenses, as well as the uniformity of 'look' (optical as opposed to physical) that I didn't get from having Pentax lenses from different series. On average the CZ lenses seem sharper, although I didn't have direct replacements for all of them. For instance, I replaced the A* 135/1.8 with a CZ 135/2.8, but I replaced the M 35/2 with a CZ 35/1.4. The most noticeable way in which the Pentax lenses are better than the CZs is that the Pentax ones showed less flare, as I've mentioned here recently. I know people here have directly compared the 85/1.4s from each company, and I think they slightly preferred the Pentax. I was never able to do a direct comparison, although I've had both, but based on comparing different photos of different subjects, for what it's worth, I do prefer the CZ. But, it is very soft wide open. One of the problems with Pentax lenses, until you know your way around the vast historical range of them, is that you don't know whether you're buying a dog or a good one until you actually use it. It can be very confusing. With the CZ ones you know you're getting good stuff, but you have to pay for it. I do still have some Pentax equipment, which I still use of course. It's the price of entry for this place. www.photodo.com has some reviews. -- Cheers, Bob Saturday, January 3, 2004, 12:25:52 AM, you wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has had experience with Carl Zeiss lens. How do > they compare with Pentax and does anyone know where I might find reviews of > them. > Regards > Charles
Re: Carl Zeiss Lenses
On 3 Jan 2004 at 11:25, Charles Wilson wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has had experience with Carl Zeiss lens. How do > they compare with Pentax and does anyone know where I might find reviews of > them. I (and a few other listers here) have had a fair exposure to CZ lenses for Contax SLRs. There is quite significant similarities between the Pentax C/Y mounts as they were developed when there was some co-operative ventures between the two companies. The mount diameter is the same and the mounting flange to film plane distance is the same however the aperture feedback and activation levers work in opposite directions and the bayonet has been made incompatible. Similarly specified lenses from both marques of similar age have very similar performance and in some cases share lineage (such as the 15/3.5 designs). Optical performance is very similar and the *T coatings from Zeiss are very close in performance to that of the Pentax SMC AR coatings. The exceptions are that the Contax macro lenses may provide a performance advantage over similarly spec'd Pentax glass. In operation the CZ lenses are often slightly larger but most do have a better operational feel, the only problem is that both the focus rings and aperture rings turn the opposite direction to Pentax lenses, this can be a little disconcerting if you use both systems. Contax also has a range of very nice bodies, the RTSII being nearly as nice to use as the LX. I've no experience with the new N series bodies and lenses but I'm sure that they'd be very good performers. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Regarding Legal Proceedings
Please be advised that our client, Mr. F Therriault, has been declared unable to look after his own affairs by a judicial order instigated by his family. A few days ago, Mr. Therriault started an action against certain members of the Pentax Discuss organization. This action will proceed, as Mr. Therriault is not deemed compentant to dismiss his council, and his legal guardian feels this action has enough merit to go ahead. Regards Bernard Schwartz LLB. Nordheimer, Schwartz, Garson. Partners at Law. Notice Regarding Confidentiality of Transmission This message is intended only for the person to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copying of this communication is prohibited. Please notify me of the error in communication by return e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication. Thank you.
RE: Bunch of OT stuff
> -Original Message- > From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > As the title says: > > Does anyone have any experience with the Fuji S2? any > comments for or > against? Friend od mine shoots professionally with it. Seems pretty good to me, good low light ability. He seems pretty happy with it. > > to the DC PDML. Were you talking this fall about dogfish > head beer/ale? I > just tried a bottle of their Raison D'Être, pretty good stuff Yep. tv
Re: can you read me now?
a reply is another email. there is nothing in the email protocol that distinguishes between a reply and a new email. only applications know the difference. your reply is another email and that is all that matters. it is completely up to your friends to do something. there is nothing you nor your ISP can do. this is RoadRunner policy. Herb - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: Re: can you read me now? > Yup. That much I knew. One message got through _without a subject line_ > oddly... but > the thing is I'm not initiating the mail -- I'm REPLYING to someone on their > server. Very annoying spam blocking. > What I was hoping to find out, is if anyone else was having a problem with them > - that > is, people on other servers... > > It is bouncing from my reply to people who have me in their address book and > have > Mac computers. > sigh.
Re: The weirdest booking ever...
Thanks Frank, now lets just hope I don't stuff it up... "That's great gnus. Good things happen to good people (so I've been telling myself for years )." t.
RE: PUG "January" is open
I have the same trouble with ZA. When I want to view the PUG, I just turn the thing off. I could never find the specific setting causing the problem. -Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 02, 2004 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: PUG "January" is open Yep, I'm running it and have changed lots of settings to no avail. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 > -Original Message- > From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: PUG "January" is open > > > Are you running Zone Alarm Pro? I had the same problem and > the fix was > somewhere in the ZA settings. > > Bill
Re: The weirdest booking ever...
Frank wrote: "English accent? Sounded like he was talking from a million miles away? You recently (despite his protestations to the contrary) pissed off that vengeful bastard Cotty?" And to think, I was all excited about this very cool possible booking, when really it was only yet another of those bloody whinging pommy bastards pulling my leg... tan.
Re: Photodisks Failing
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 11:11:12AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > On 2 Jan 2004 at 20:47, Pieter Nagel wrote: > > > And even if Digital should be replaced by Quantum Imaging, I can at least > > take a Quantum image of my negative and reverse the colours in > > PhotoGalaxy. > > However you might not see much. A lot of my dads colour negs from the '60-'70 > don't even contain enough data to make a crude B&W print these days. Ah, but it is *Quantum* imaging I am talking about... :-) Ok. So I overestimate the average longevity of negatives. So I'm left with saying, er, that it is easier to accidentally delete a digital picture than a frame from a negative, yup, that's the ticket. But honestly, it's actually just that I *like* the physicality of the film medium, despite being a professional computer programmer (or maybe, because of it). Storing an image using a 2D grid of molecules of varying densities feels just so, well, elegant and simple. Maybe because molecules don't crash and have bugs as often. That said, despite knowing that the fast majority of my photography henceforth will be digital. I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of my future film work will be with the LX, due to the OTF metering, of a future foray into medium format. -- ,_ /_) /| / / i e t e r/ |/ a g e l
Re: can you read me now?
Mark Roberts wrote: > Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > > >I just reread my original query and realize why a couple of folk thought > >maybe i was on road > >runner. > > > >I was making the point that I couldn't get through to friends who ARE on rr > >while they > >could still send mail to me > > > >RCN normally keeps me very happy. > > If your mail to Roadrunner is bouncing, there's a 99% chance it's > Roadrunner's fault. I've never heard of any ISP blocking *outgoing* mail > to a particular domain or netblock - deliberately or accidentally. > What I dont' know is if rr is blocking mail from everyone on rcn. What bothers me about rcn is that i get spam addressed to me as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" - which is not my address. When I complained about this to RCN they just said there wasn't anything they could do about that because it was "basically the same thing". Ugh. ann > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? Digest V04 #14
On 2/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >See, now I had a different mental image on that one, Chris. > >I was thinking "winging" as in slang for "throwing". > >Not being familiar with this ever so quaint Aussie slang, I have no idea >what a "pom" is, but in my mind, I'm thinking "pom-poms", like the fuzzy >things cheerleaders flail about. > >So my mental image is Tanya, dressed up in a cheerleader outfit, throwing >her pom-poms at Cotty. > >But then, I'm a dirty old man, aren't I? World Goes Mad - Official. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....
Vic wrote:"Maybe incorporate some Australian landmarks in the background to help identify it. I'm not suggesting these photos would be better than what you have already shot, just different and it may lead to a visual concept that would help sell the clothing. I know that in North America anything Australian is pretty cool." Many thanks for your lovely comments and great suggestions Vic! This is exactly what we intend to do with the location photography, incorporating the kids wearing the clothes, some very Aussie backdrops, and the kids doing some very "Aussie" things... I will be sure to post some for you to see when they are done, and again, many thanks... t.
Re: The weirdest booking ever...
Frank said: " English accent? Sounded like he was talking from a million miles away? You recently (despite his protestations to the contrary) pissed off that vengeful bastard Cotty?" Hohum, and I thought I had this great booking to look forward to, but really, it was just another of those bloody whinging pommie bastards pulling my leg t.
Re: The weirdest booking ever...
Tom Reese wrote:"I always feel that way when I have an assignment. That nervousness can help you as long as your hands aren't shaking . Use it to motivate you to do good work." Many thanks Tom, and I totally agree. I often tell myself (and other people in earshot when I mention that I am nervous), that if I ever stop feeling nervous before a job, I will stop shooting for money. I think the nervousness aids to keep me "grounded", ensuring that I never get complacent with what I do, and reminds me that I still have so very much to learn when it comes to photography... tan.
Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....
Leon asked:"Does the Oly have depth of field preview?" No, but I generally have a "gut" instinct of what will and will not be in focus. My MZ-6 has it and I have never used it! I think that this, like most of my photography related "knowledge" is one of my "instinctual" things, that for some reason, I just seem to "know"... Pity I couldn't say the same about exposure and metering though... ;-) "Does the gold reflector change the colour? I have a small silver/white reflector that I have used on the figurines and other "products" I have photographed and was thinking of a larger one for natural light portrait photography, but have yet to decide if the gold would be more use than a silver/white one." I have a 5-in-1 disc reflector (has gold, silver, white, translucent and a black panel that absorbs light), which I love. I also have a couple of car window shades that do just as good a job when needed. I love the gold reflector, but that is cause I primarily shoot people and it adds that tiny touch of warmth to their skin that I am always seem to be chasing. Not sure how it would affect your type of shooting, but it is very subtle and not obvious at all. I never use silver for shooting people, unless I am going for a high-end fashion look, as it gives obvious shine, and high contrast to them, and has an almost "harsh" look at times. "Sounds like you are getting jobs from all over. What do you charge for travelling to Brisbane?" Uh-oh, its my rates again... I love to travel to Brisbane, the break away is so much fun. I generally just charge about an extra $400 on top of my standard price. The airfare is around the $250 mark, and then the rest covers food/taxis etc. I have many friends in SE QLD and can basically pick and choose so don't need to pay for accom. I just make my money on my normal "day rate" that I add to my wedding packages, as really I'm not putting in any extra work than I would be shooting up here... Soon, when I get some courage, I will start to drive in Brisbane, so then there will be car hire to add to that, I guess... Thanks again Leon, tan.
Carl Zeiss Lenses
Just wondering if anyone has had experience with Carl Zeiss lens. How do they compare with Pentax and does anyone know where I might find reviews of them. Regards Charles
Re: OT: Bunch of OT stuff
On 2 Jan 2004 at 19:13, Butch Black wrote: > Bitmap. I'm trying to create a table document that can be read and printed > from my computer at work. I tried jpeg but there is no program that lets me > resize it to print properly (should I resize to the document size at 72 PPI?). > It has paint that will accept a bitmap. would that be a better option? Paint is hopeless. If you could embed the BMP into a Word doc or perhaps save it embedded into a pdf then you'll have far more success. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
frank theriault wrote: > I've got enough things to think about when I'm shooting. Firing the flash > manually when I reckon the end of a 1/15th second time span is near, just > ain't gonna happen! For a while I've been thinking that one of these days I need to take a close look at the exploded diagram of an S3 or S1a to see whether it'd be feasible to modify it to use trailing-curtain sync. (They've got two PC sockets -- "X" and "FP" -- so as long as I never intended to use flashbulbs with that particular body, I could wire trailing-curtain to the "FP" socket, assuming it's possible at all.) I need to check for clues in the slow-speed timing mechanism. Something needs to happen there just before the shutter closes, consistently enough to be usable at several speeds, that I can poke a wire at. Even more clever would be to do it to a Spotmatic so that the flash shoe could be switched between leading-curtain and trailing-curtain. -- Glenn
Re: BMP Scans
On 2 Jan 2004 at 17:54, Mark Cassino wrote: > I'd expect the lab to be able to kick out scans as good as machine prints > from the negs - which are usually pretty poor. You'd be better off IMO > getting the to do truly neutral scans but those will look really terrible > right off the disk. But then you have the raw data and can adjust to fit > your own tastes. And if you can get a raw scan then it should preferably be 16bits per colour channel so that you have room to tweak after the fact. If you shot a frame from a Kodak step card or a Macbeth Color Checker then at least you will have a reference to work to. All in all it sounds like a painful work around to accommodate a skill-less lab :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Hi, I did exactly that a few years ago for some night exposures in Santa Monica, California. It's the sort of thing the LX is very good at. I didn't try it at exposures as short as 1/15, but I did some fairly short ones and just fired the flash manually just after I released the shutter. I haven't got time to dig the pictures out & scan them right now, but they were quite successfully, technically. For exposures I could time with a watch I waited until 1 second before it was due to close, and fired the flash. The light from the flash causes the shutter to close immediately, of course. -- Cheers, Bob Friday, January 2, 2004, 11:38:45 PM, you wrote: > Chris, > I've got enough things to think about when I'm shooting. Firing the flash > manually when I reckon the end of a 1/15th second time span is near, just > ain't gonna happen! > OTOH, it might be fun to try in non-critical situations. >>From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>I've never tried my old 500FTZ on an LX, but I'd have to assume that it >>won't work. >> >>You might be able to approximate it manually with a long enough exposure >>time. If you choose your shutter speed manually, and can fire your flash >>by pressing the test button on the back of it, then you can manually >>trigger the flash near the end of your exposure. Won't be perfect, but >>may be close enough, and better than nothing. >> >>chris
Re: can you read me now?
Herb Chong wrote: > your email is bouncing from rr.com with a security error. they think you are > a spammer. > > Herb... Yup. That much I knew. One message got through _without a subject line_ oddly... but the thing is I'm not initiating the mail -- I'm REPLYING to someone on their server. Very annoying spam blocking. What I was hoping to find out, is if anyone else was having a problem with them - that is, people on other servers... It is bouncing from my reply to people who have me in their address book and have Mac computers. sigh. ann > > - Original Message - > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 6:17 PM > Subject: Re: can you read me now? > > > Don't think I'll be able to convince my friends of that - and I cant > > really > > suggest it to ebay clinets. > > Btw, I'm on rcn - it sounds like you thought I was on rr.
OT: Bunch of OT stuff
As the title says: Does anyone have any experience with the Fuji S2? any comments for or against? to the DC PDML. Were you talking this fall about dogfish head beer/ale? I just tried a bottle of their Raison D'Être, pretty good stuff Bitmap. I'm trying to create a table document that can be read and printed from my computer at work. I tried jpeg but there is no program that lets me resize it to print properly (should I resize to the document size at 72 PPI?). It has paint that will accept a bitmap. would that be a better option? Thanks Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Photodisks Failing
On 2 Jan 2004 at 20:47, Pieter Nagel wrote: > And even if Digital should be replaced by Quantum Imaging, I can at least > take a Quantum image of my negative and reverse the colours in > PhotoGalaxy. However you might not see much. A lot of my dads colour negs from the '60-'70 don't even contain enough data to make a crude B&W print these days. Yes I know chemistrys have changed over the years and are definitely more archival however who is to say that the stabilizer used to process your last set of negs wasn't being pushed beyond its working lifetime? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: First Photo Ever Sold was: Photography: Fun or Profit????
Ann Sanfedele: That reminds me of this road sign I once saw in Greece: http://anders.hultman.nu/bilder/135/135-19.jpeg Substantially underexposed, but the English text should be visible. arrggh - the sign is totally unreadable on my monitor -- and since I love funny signs (big surprize) would you tell us what it says? thanks It's two lines of Greek text that I can't read either, and then there's this text in English: DANGER CORY EXIT 100 m We drove past it every day for a week, and couldn't figure out what it was all about. A hundred meters down the road it was a hairpin bend to the right, and an entrance gate to some industrial site to the left. English isn't my native language, and I didn't know the word "quarry" at the time. Apparently the Greek sign maker didn't either :-) anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: PUG "January" is open
previously written: You know what, I have never been scuba diving, or even snorkeling for that matter. I have asthma and have never been able to go when the opportunity has presented itself to me... It is so funny that we get so complacent (sic?) with those regions that we come to know and never truly "explore" them. I have said to my hubby on a number of occasions that it is ironic that people travel from all over the world to visit what we literally have on our doorstep, and are yet to properly explore ourselves. Too true. I live an hour's drive from NYC and a 2 minute walk to a bus stop that will take me to the local train station. I have lived in Connecticut since 1988 and have probably been in NYC a dozen to 18 times. At least half were going to the Photo plus show at the Javits. I've been to Madison Square garden and Yankee Stadium 1x each. I've yet to visit Ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State Building, etc. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Forgive me for being dense, but it seems to me that you cannot tell whether he is using trailing curtain or not, because he's panning at the time hew's releasing the shutter. I will explain why I think this, then you can educate me as to how I'm wrong. The relative motion that's important in establishing the direction of the blur is that of the car in the viewfinder (or, more precisely, on the film) during the period the shutter is open. If the lens is panning forward faster than the car is moving, such that the car appears to be moving backwards in the viewfinder (or on the film) at the time of the exposure, trailing curtain sync will look like leading curtain sync. The only way to tell for sure is to have the lens stationary and the object moving, or to know somehow that the car was actually moving forward at a greater rate than the lens was tracking it. If the lens is stationary, such that the car is certain to be moving from right to left in the viewfinder at the time the shot is fired, then the blur will reliably indicate whether leading or trailing curtain sync was used. OK, where have I misapprehended the physics of all this? Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I > On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: > > > > I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning > > using > > flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved > > using > > trailing-curtain-sync. > > > > That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash > that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. > But without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done > these kind of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic > equipment. The solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course > that won't work when shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably > in trouble and you might as well wait for the impending crash - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
if you are the only user, it's not a large problem. even the Apple monitor, won't be that great in color from 45 degrees off axis. it's inherent in the design of all LCD monitors. also, there is the contrast range. the monitor is spec'd at 350:1 contrast ratio. that isn't very high. Tanya specifically wants to sit with someone else to show them her photos. Herb - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > I've had numerous CRT monitors, including some very good ones. I'm now > working with the Apple 21 inch flat panel cinema display. It's by far > the best monitor I've ever owned. The resolution is incredible: I can > see grain in my 3200 dpi 6x7 scans at 100%. I've never seen that much > detail on a CRT. The color is very accurate in terms of synching up > with my Epson 1200 printer. I love it and will never go back. The view > from various angles is quite consistent.
Re: Happy new Year from a new list member (Charles Braswell)
Mark wrote... > For those who don't know, Charles was "Best of Show" winner at GFM in > 2003. Listmeister Brewer and I judged he's the contest (just so you > don't attach *too* much credibility to his win!) and Charles's photo is > the one for which I unofficially re-named the awards: Instead of > "Honorable Mention", "Runner-Up" and "Winner", I suggested they be > categorized as "Great Shot", "I Wish I'd Taken That One" and, "I Hate > This Guy!" ;-) > > Here's Charles' winning shot: > http://www.grandfather.com/events/naturephoto2003/leaf_Braswell.jpg > (It looks even better as a print or projected) > > He *also* won the Wildflower category: > http://www.grandfather.com/events/naturephoto2003/flame_Braswell.JPG omigosh! When I was first considering GFM and browsing their website, I looked over those photographs! I was completely blown away by them both, and particularly the leaf one. I am humbled to be in such talented company... tan.
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
the 1983 book "The Story of the English Language" concluded that the first was more likely, but that there wasn't enough evidence to draw a definite conclusion. the OED traces first documented use, which doesn't give any clue as to how long it was used before it was documented. Aussie rhyming slang was well established by the early 1800s when the term appeared and pomegranate rhymed. that's what mattered. no logic involved at all. check Cockney rhyming slang as one of the strongest influences to Aussie rhyming slang and it works much the same way. sound is the only logic. Herb - Original Message - From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > My Collins says, "among a number of explanations are: (1) based on a blend > of IMMIGRANT and POMEGRANATE (alluding to the red cheeks of English > immigrants); (2) from the abbreviation POME, Prisoner of Mother England > (referring to convicts)"
RE: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Thanks, Bruce, I read Chris' and Christian's responses before yours, but you (I think) answered my supplementary question to their posts. I guess that I couldn't do it on my LX, could I? cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:49:22 -0800 Frank, Unless you shoot more modern cameras, it is one of those features that you never knew about, so never needed. Basically, flash synch is when the first curtain is all the way open and then the flash fires, then the second curtain closes. The problem is that if the shutter speed is slow enough (along with enough ambient light) to record movement, the flash will fire causing a solid image, then the subject moves, then the second curtain closes. What this does is causes an image where it looks like the movement is backwards. You would think that the solid part of the image should be at the end instead of the beginning of the motion. Picture a speeding bullet, traveling left to right caught by the flash. With normal flash the left side of the frame would have a solid bullet, while the middle to right side would show a moving bullet. With second curtain synch, the flash fires just before the second curtain closes. So now the picture would look like a moving bullet from the left frozen at the right edge of the frame. Now it looks like a speeding bullet. The same would hold true with someone walking, a car driving by, etc. HTH, Bruce Friday, January 2, 2004, 2:12:03 PM, you wrote: ft> Okay, time to admit my extreme ignorance right here in the open, on the ft> list. ft> What's trailing-curtain-sync? I've heard the term, but have no idea what it ft> is (other than what Paul just said about shooting slower than max-sync ft> speed). ft> There are obvioulsy at least two people on list right now who know . ft> Would anyone care to disseminate your knowledge, as there may be others here ft> who don't know. ft> thanks, guys, ft> frank ft> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist ft> fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer >>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful >>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:06:34 -0500 >> >>I >>On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: >>> >>>I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using >>>flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved >>>using >>>trailing-curtain-sync. >>> >> >>That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash >>that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. But >>without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done these kind >>of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic equipment. The >>solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course that won't work when >>shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably in trouble and you might >>as well wait for the impending crash >> ft> _ ft> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ft> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ft> http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
i'm looking at a high end Misubishi with builtin color calibration. still under $1K complete. my NEC 5FG is now about 10 years old and there are a lot of ominous crackling sounds from the picture tube for about 5 minutes after it gets turned on. main thing is that its contrast isn't what it should be. the phosphors have faded a lot. Herb - Original Message - From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > Nate's old CRT just died, and it was tough finding him a good > replacement because he doesn't like the visible wires in the flat-screen > aperture grille CRTs. I ended up ordering him a 19 inch Samsung > Syncmaster 957mb on Amazon. It looks gorgeous. Actually, you're welcome > to come over here and check it out if you'd like. I kind of wish mine > would die now so I could get one! :)
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Thanks Chris (and Christian in the previous post), I think I get it now. So, how does one achieve trailing shutter sync? It sounds like it would be a feature available on newer cameras with electronic shutters? I guess what I'm getting at, is that I couldn't do it on my LX, for example (as it's the most modern body I have)? thanks again, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:53:32 -0600 (Central Standard Time) The two terms (leading versus trailing curtain sync) refer to whether the flash fires at the beginning or end of the exposure. Leading curtain sync fires at the beginning; trailing, at the end. That option exists because flash at the start of a longish exposure often looks unnatural. Imagine a flash-lit shot of a person walking in a dark room, but with a 1 second shutter speed to expose for the background. If the flash fires at the beginning of the exposure, you'll have a perfectly frozen person with a blurry motion trail leading out in front of them, which looks pretty crazy. If you use trailing curtain sync, then the flash fires at the end of the 1 second exposure, leaving you with a nice blurry trail leading up to a flash-frozen person, which looks more normal. If you imagine the same thing with a car, leading curtain sync will extend the headlights out in front of the car, while trailing curtain sync will leave the headlights looking like a trail extending behind the moving car. This principle works for faster shutter speeds, too, although it's not always as noticeable. Flash has a duration of around 1/10,000 of a second, IIRC. chris _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
see my other post. 3000:1 is considered acceptable for a decent CRT monitor properly adjusted. a higher end LCD still under $1K are at the 800:1 end of the scale. Herb - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > I was given a flat screen color LCD monitor for Christmas, and it has a > contrast ratio of 450:1. > How does that stack up with a decent analog RGB CRT monitor, of > approximately the same size and resolution? > Or, can one talk about both in the same breath?
Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Frank, Unless you shoot more modern cameras, it is one of those features that you never knew about, so never needed. Basically, flash synch is when the first curtain is all the way open and then the flash fires, then the second curtain closes. The problem is that if the shutter speed is slow enough (along with enough ambient light) to record movement, the flash will fire causing a solid image, then the subject moves, then the second curtain closes. What this does is causes an image where it looks like the movement is backwards. You would think that the solid part of the image should be at the end instead of the beginning of the motion. Picture a speeding bullet, traveling left to right caught by the flash. With normal flash the left side of the frame would have a solid bullet, while the middle to right side would show a moving bullet. With second curtain synch, the flash fires just before the second curtain closes. So now the picture would look like a moving bullet from the left frozen at the right edge of the frame. Now it looks like a speeding bullet. The same would hold true with someone walking, a car driving by, etc. HTH, Bruce Friday, January 2, 2004, 2:12:03 PM, you wrote: ft> Okay, time to admit my extreme ignorance right here in the open, on the ft> list. ft> What's trailing-curtain-sync? I've heard the term, but have no idea what it ft> is (other than what Paul just said about shooting slower than max-sync ft> speed). ft> There are obvioulsy at least two people on list right now who know . ft> Would anyone care to disseminate your knowledge, as there may be others here ft> who don't know. ft> thanks, guys, ft> frank ft> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist ft> fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer >>From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful >>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:06:34 -0500 >> >>I >>On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: >>> >>>I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using >>>flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved >>>using >>>trailing-curtain-sync. >>> >> >>That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash >>that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. But >>without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done these kind >>of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic equipment. The >>solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course that won't work when >>shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably in trouble and you might >>as well wait for the impending crash > ft> _ ft> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ft> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ft> http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
refurbished ones with full warrantee are going for about $130 at computer shows. Trinitron tubes, which matter to me a lot. i'm thinking i am going to get a new Mitsubishi with built in calibration though. Herb - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > LCD monitors were great for one thing. My high-end CRT 19" monitor was bought > used for about $100 3 years back when all the corporations were converting over > to LCD.
Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....
They obviously had heard what Tanya's hit rate is, and knew that it four rolls (of 24) would give them just the right amount of photos. Couldn't resist. -frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> four rolls of film, and expecting 100 shots? HAR! _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, frank theriault wrote: > What's trailing-curtain-sync? I've heard the term, but have no idea > what it is (other than what Paul just said about shooting slower than > max-sync speed). The two terms (leading versus trailing curtain sync) refer to whether the flash fires at the beginning or end of the exposure. Leading curtain sync fires at the beginning; trailing, at the end. That option exists because flash at the start of a longish exposure often looks unnatural. Imagine a flash-lit shot of a person walking in a dark room, but with a 1 second shutter speed to expose for the background. If the flash fires at the beginning of the exposure, you'll have a perfectly frozen person with a blurry motion trail leading out in front of them, which looks pretty crazy. If you use trailing curtain sync, then the flash fires at the end of the 1 second exposure, leaving you with a nice blurry trail leading up to a flash-frozen person, which looks more normal. If you imagine the same thing with a car, leading curtain sync will extend the headlights out in front of the car, while trailing curtain sync will leave the headlights looking like a trail extending behind the moving car. This principle works for faster shutter speeds, too, although it's not always as noticeable. Flash has a duration of around 1/10,000 of a second, IIRC. chris
Re: Photodisks Failing
assuming that you did a decent job of processing and washing. very big assumption for a commercial lab, even a good one. Herb - Original Message - From: "Pieter Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Photodisks Failing > One day when I'm old and gray and doddering, no matter what happens, no > matter what image file formats are patented or whether the last 50 > terrabit Selenium Memory Pin reader in the world gives up the ghost; worst > comes to worst, I can always hold my negatives up to the light.
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
It means that the flash fires at the END of the exposure rather than at the beginning. Imagine taking a picture of a car driving by. You use a slow shutter speed to blur the motion. If you used a flash with a slow shutter speed the motion would be stopped for a portion of the image but there would still be blur because of the slow shutter. With standard flash the blur happens AFTER the flash fires and is therefore in front of the car (the car appears stopped because of the flash) because the car continued to move forward after the flash fired. With trailing-curtain sync (also called second-curtain sync) the flash fires at the end of the exposure. Therefore the blur occurs BEFORE the flash fires and appears as streaks of blurred motion BEHIND the car which looks much more natural. The flash still "freezes" the car for the instant it fired but the blur is behind rather than in front. Confusing a bit but hopefully I've explained it enough to make some sense! ;-) HTH Christian I haven't had the opportunity to try it since getting the ist-D and AF360FGZ (my first camera/flash with the capability) - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > Okay, time to admit my extreme ignorance right here in the open, on the > list. > > What's trailing-curtain-sync? I've heard the term, but have no idea what it > is (other than what Paul just said about shooting slower than max-sync > speed). > > There are obvioulsy at least two people on list right now who know . > Would anyone care to disseminate your knowledge, as there may be others here > who don't know. > > thanks, guys, > > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:06:34 -0500 > > > >I > >On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: > >> > >>I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using > >>flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved > >>using > >>trailing-curtain-sync. > >> > > > >That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash > >that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. But > >without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done these kind > >of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic equipment. The > >solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course that won't work when > >shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably in trouble and you might > >as well wait for the impending crash > > > _ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca >
Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?
being calibrated more accurately is true, but only over a significantly reduced brightness range. the dark end of the scale isn't dark enough on any LCD panel under $1000US. i have been carefully checking. there are only a couple that reach 800:1 while almost any decent monitor is closer to 3000:1, the same that a good plasma display can reach with ease. the net result is that you won't be able to adjust the shadows properly for printing without a lot of practice. Herb - Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions? > Sshhh - don't tell the guys in the film industry. Back when I was > working for SGI the biggest customers for the LCD displays were from > the folks working on special effects for films. One of the major > selling points of the LCD was the ability for it to be accurately > (and repeatably) calibrated for colour reproduction. Another was > the contrast ratio, which far exceeeds what a conventional monitor > can do.
Re: BMP Scans
none of your problems have anything to do with the file format or any of the equipment. it had to do with a scanner operator that didn't give a damn or didn't know anything. Herb - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: BMP Scans > Well, assuming that the BMP files produce a good image quality, using > them in PS is a PITA. Conversion from BMP to a PSD or TIFF file is > annoying, and had I been using color instead of C-41 B&W for this test, > I'd have had to fiddle with that as well. Just as the wise people on > this list suggested ... however, I didn't think it would be so annoying.
Re: can you read me now?
rr.com has an automatic spam detection filter that is triggered at the slightest thing and when it is triggered, it blocks everything forever, unless the owner of the destination email id complains. as far as i am concerned, that is a reason to drop Road Runner. Herb - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: can you read me now? > If any of you guys are on Road runner in NY, or > rcn and know what is going on > between them could you write me ? > > I can't get through to RCN on the phone and all my > mail to people one Road Runner > (nyc.rr.com) bounces with a security block...
Re: The weirdest booking ever...
Chris, Your sage advice to Tanya reminds me of back in my previous life, when I was married, had a respectable job, and actually owned a house (how middle class of me!) We were selling our house, and in an attempt to save the 6% real estate agent's commission, decided to sell it privately. If we were unable to sell privately after 4 weeks, we decided that we were going to use a real estate agent who was a friend of ours. Well, we didn't sell privately. So, we got the agent in. First thing she said was, "You're listing it too low. First thing I'd suggest is raising the price from $90,000 to $120,000 (this was a ~long~ time ago! ). We did, and within a week got an offer. After brief negotiations we settled on $112,000, which covered the commission and still made us quite a bit more than our original asking price. Moral of the story? Well, I guess there are two. From the perspective of Tanya's clients, it's well worth their money to hire someone who knows what they're doing - it will save or make money for them in the long run. From Tanya's perspective, don't undervalue your worth. If you ask too little, people will think your work will be reflected in the asking price. Now, as I seem to know the lesson so well, I should apply it to myself, eh? cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Chris Brogden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are you reading this, Tanya? :) There's more to setting a price than the value of the materials, or the rates set by others. I can buy and cook a pretty good steak for well under $10.00 CAN. I can buy a steak from a mediocre steak house for about $15.00-$20.00. A very good steak house will charge me around $30.00 for the same steak, and it will be worth it. If I go to a high-end restaurant that uses the best beef, I'll consider it a bargain if I only have to pay $40.00-$60.00. Never be afraid to charge premium rates for premium services. Some people in North America spend tens of thousands on a photographer. Part of the reason why they do that is that spending lots of money makes them feel *better* about their photographer and about the quality of the results. Think about this. You need your roof reshingled, so you call a couple of companies. The first guy you call tells you the price. It's a lot of money, but he explains to you why he charges so much, what his philosophy is concerning quality work and materials, etc. Sounds good, but you call another company to get a competing quote. This time, the guy sounds insecure, almost apologetic about his price. When you ask him to repeat it, he drops several hundred dollars off it. You try to bring the conversation around to his work philosophy, work history, etc., but all he does is keep talking about his price and offering to lower it. Which company would you trust more to do quality work? Here's one thing I've learned from years of sales: there are three kinds of buyers, but every kind wants to feel that they are buying high-quality merchandise. The vast majority of consumers are prepared to spend what they consider a fair bit on good products/services, but they want a good combination of low price and good product. They're the first type of consumer. The second type is a minority. These buyers, by necessity or preference, are looking to spend as little as possible. They'll moan about Walmart's prices and try to haggle over every dollar. At the same time, they still expect their $100 p&s camera to produce superb pictures. The third type is even more rare. These buyers have (and are willing to spend) enough money that cost really doesn't enter into their decision. They want the best product/service for their needs, whatever it happens to cost. If you're selling them a product, they don't care if you give them a discount. They'll thank you politely and accept it, but they would happily pay full price. If you're selling them an individualized service, as you are, then they expect to pay a premium price. If you try to discount your price, they may begin to doubt the quality of your work, or your suitability as a photographer. It's nothing personal, but they believe the old adage... you get what you pay for. The other thing to remember is that he's not thinking in Aussie prices. He couldn't care less what the going rate is in Brisbane, or what most photographers Down Under charge. He wants you. If you happen to be the most expensive photographer in Australia, so much the better for him: he can feel that he's getting the highest-quality work possible, which he is. Wedding photography isn't like buying a camera; there are no set prices. Customers tend to assume that good wedding photographers charge a lot of money while lousy ones don't. Your client has probably looked at a lot of photographers lately, and you came out on top as the highest quality one. He'll be expecting you to charge accord
Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, John Francis wrote: > > I was surprised to find the budget so low. You'd think the photography > > budget for advertising/promotional needs would be a lot greater. > > That's not a budget - it's a joke. > > four rolls of film, and expecting 100 shots? > > HAR! > > When I donated my photographic services for a one-and-a-half day shoot > the budget for materials and incidentals (hire of equipment, etc.) was > probably more than this entire project. It's a tricky situation. On the one hand, you (generic "you") have the chance to get experience doing something you've maybe never done before. You can get some shots to add to your portfolio, a shoot for a company to add to your CV, and perhaps even contacts within companies. On the other hand, agreeing to do a shoot like this for so little money only encourages companies to devalue the work of photographers. It's now going to be that much harder for you (or other photographers) to convince clients that $100 is a ludicrously small amount of money. I don't want to comment on Tanya's situation, as I don't know all the details, but she does very good work and shouldn't have to work for peanuts. chris
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Okay, time to admit my extreme ignorance right here in the open, on the list. What's trailing-curtain-sync? I've heard the term, but have no idea what it is (other than what Paul just said about shooting slower than max-sync speed). There are obvioulsy at least two people on list right now who know . Would anyone care to disseminate your knowledge, as there may be others here who don't know. thanks, guys, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:06:34 -0500 I On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved using trailing-curtain-sync. That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. But without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done these kind of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic equipment. The solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course that won't work when shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably in trouble and you might as well wait for the impending crash _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
I On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Christian wrote: I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved using trailing-curtain-sync. That's exactly what he was doing. You shoot at 1/15 or so with a flash that's close in exposure to ambient and you get some nice motion blur. But without trailing curtain sync they go the wrong way. i've done these kind of shots for magazines from time to time using my archaic equipment. The solution? You just have the driver back up. Of course that won't work when shooting race cars. If it does, they're probably in trouble and you might as well wait for the impending crash
Re: Nick's pics
"frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ooo! Oooo! > >"Battle of Epping Forest". Genesis, on "Selling England by the Pound". >Their last great album. Okay, "Lamb Lies Down" was pretty good, but I liked >"Selling England" better. Then, after "Lamb", Peter Gabriel left, and >whatsisname, the drummer, Phil Collins became lead singer. Ugh. And then a >bit later their guitarist, the one who always sat on a chair while he played >(was that Ant Phillips?) left, too. The guitarist was Steve Hackett. Great player and, yes, when he left it was pretty much the end of Genesis. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What, was he panning handheld, > causing the lights to squiggle around like that? I've never really seen > that effect before. I've no idea what he was doing! I was thinking that he was panning using flash and getting the blur-going-forward effect which should be solved using trailing-curtain-sync. While I was timing and scoring on the pit wall I got a few shots off with my little optio 330. the day-time shots were just as good as his. My night shots were done by holding the camera on top of the pit wall and pressing the shutter release. I got some interesting headlight/taillight streaks. I'll post a link tonight. > I wanna take racing pictures again. The few races I've been to in the past > few years (basically the Molson Indy here in Toronto) have absolutely no > areas to take photos from unless you have a press pass. SCCA racing at Summit Point Raceway in West Virginia is pretty accessable. The fencing is close enough to the track that you can get some good shots with a 200mm or 300mm lens from the spectator areas. This year I'm going to see about getting a press-pass so that I can get closer/better angles. I'm also trying to do some paid work for a friend who races motorcycles at the same track. Shooting Motorsports is a blast! Christian
