Re: OT Histogram tutorial

2004-01-04 Thread Leon Altoff
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 08:38:22 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:

A good histogram tutorial for those listers new to digital imaging:

http://www.bayphoto.com/Instructions/Histogram.htm


Rob,

Thanks for the link, I need to explain this to people sometimes.

Did you notice the left handed SLR in the banner at the top of the
page?  The camera second from the right has a shutter release and grip
for the left hand.  Or they reversed the image to make it look better.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon




Re: Photographic New Years Resolutions?

2004-01-04 Thread P Kong
At 05:02 PM 1/2/2004, Tanya wrote:
WHAT a fantastic way to wake up in the morning, I came to my 'puter and
literally laughed my way through breakfast.  You guys are so hilarious, and
have just increased my motivation to get to GFM about 10-fold...
This one of the reasons I hang around this list. My daily dose of comedy.

Pat in SF



Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Chris Brogden
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

 Firstly, let me say that this has got to go down as the best response ever
 to a thread on PDML.  Thank you SO much Chris for your detail and thought
 that has gone into this, it must have taken you for EVER.  Every point has
 been noted and is very much appreciated.  I will now try to address what I
 can...

Well, it's certainly one of the longest responses, at any rate.  :)  More
thoughts...

 So here's my issue - this is quite off topic and a bit personal, but
 it may explain alot to you...  For some reason, that I don't know, I am
 extremely hard on myself in many contexts.  I am a perfectionist to the
 extreme.  Honestly, and I say this without exception, I feel EVERY time
 that someone offers me money to take their photo, that I am committing
 fraud.  I look at the work of others, and those that I aspire to be
 like, and I see that they have worked for many years to be able to
 achieve in their art at some level.  I *know* just how much I *don't
 know* when it comes to photography, and I honestly feel that the only
 thing that has apparently led people to believe that I am good at it,
 is pure luck.  Fer gawd's sake, I don't even know how to use a flash
 manually, and don't even ask me how the zone system works.

Who cares?  If you are familiar enough with your equipment that you can
get predictable and consistent results with your flash set to TTL, then
there's nothing wrong with that.  You'll never need the zone system for
35mm photography, so no worries there.

I get your point, though.  The problem is that you're holding yourself up
to some unattainable ideal, and you'll never feel that you've reached it
if you keep on doing that.  Sometimes you just have to suck it up.  I
guest-lectured some undergraduate honours seminars while I was doing my
Masters, and many of the students were around my own age.  Sure, there's a
lot of stuff that I don't know, but it doesn't matter at all, because I
know enough to be able to answer their questions.  I'm no professor, and I
probably don't even realize how little I know yet g, but I knew enough
for that situation.

Everyone on this list has a lot to learn about some aspect of photography,
and that's natural.  You can't postpone becoming a professional until
you've learned everything because that will never happen.  Let your images
speak for themselves.  You call them flukes; others would call them
instinct, or quick reflexes, or an intuitive connection with your subject.
You make your own luck.  The better you get, the luckier you'll seem to
be.  :)

 Even at school, I felt like this, and I don't know why it is.  I did do
 really well at school, in fact I only just missed out on being my high
 school Dux by one mark.  BUT, again, I feel that this was by pure luck
 rather than anything else, cause secretly, I never did feel as smart as
 the rest of the achievers in my class.  My mother contributes alot to
 this, I know, and somehow I have to get over it.

Yours is a pretty typical response to growing up in a situation where
you're made to feel inferior, stupid, etc.  I'll stay away from pop
psychology, but you need to try to realize that this is a load of bunk.
Of course you'll listen to what your mother has to say, but you have to
admit that a group of photographers is a much better judge of your
photographic talent than your family and friends.

 As recently as last week, I had someone say to me but you can't charge
 that much, your mother says that you're not as good as you think you are
 and that you've only even owned a camera for a couple of years  I
 live in a small town, and comments like that, well, they hurt,
 particularly when I know that they originated from my own mother.

Unfortunately, there's nothing much you can do with people like that,
other than give them the chance to educate themselves.  Let them know that
yes, you are charging that much, and yes, people are happy to pay it, and
yes, your clients think you're as good as you think you are.  :)  Invite
them to see your work.  If they'd rather base their opinion of your talent
on what someone says instead of seeing for themselves, they're obviously
too stupid to matter.  Invite them to judge for themselves, and laugh at
them if they won't.  You are not responsible for curing their stupidity...
that's their problem, not yours.

And how long you've owned a camera for has nothing to do with anything.
I can show someone how to use a 35mm AF SLR in about 3 minutes.  Remember
this: a camera is a tool, not an end in itself.  It is the tool you are
using to express your artistic vision.  The hard part--the reason why
you're going to charge people a lot of money--is having the artistic
vision itself.  Any monkey can learn how to operate a camera, but not
every person using a camera is using it to convey their artistic vision.
I'm doing a lousy job of that myself... you're light-years ahead of me
there.  You have a very clear concept of the type 

RE: Extension tube K

2004-01-04 Thread Andy Chang
Fantastic!!! Thanks a lot!!! I think I'll give it a try with TTL cameras
first.

Cheers Guys!!!

Andy

-Original Message-
From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Extension tube K

Andy, the basic formula for calculating the additional exposure required
is
given in this table (taken from The Asahi Pentax Guide, Focal Press
1967):
Tube No  Magnification  Exposure factor
1.0.35x1.8
2.0.52x2.3
3.0.69x2.9
1+3.0.86x3.5
2+3.1.04x4.1
the assumption is you are using a 55mm lens focussed at 18in.
The factors may vary slightly for the K tubes, but this may get you
going in
the right direction!
.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:12 PM
Subject: Extension tube K


 Hi guys,

 A belated Happy holiday to you all!!!

 I have just acquired a Pentax Extension Tube set K. I had no idea what
 it does first but after looking at Boz's web site, I have some idea
how
 it works. It was a bargain and I couldn't resist bidding for it.

 According to Boz's site, it is a manual extension tube set and I guess
 the differences between the Auto set and the manual set is about the A
 position on the A and later lenses.

 If you remember, I have asked about losing F stops using
teleconverter.
 I'm just wondering if it also applies on the extension tubes. By
adding
 extension tubes behind the lens, do I have to adjust the exposure
 accordingly?

 Thanks

 Andy












Re: Polarizer pictures, which is better, and why?

2004-01-04 Thread Herb Chong
under average circumstances, you should not be able to tell any difference
at all. a very slight difference in color would have been the most i would
have expected, and i suspect that a minor variation in the camera's auto
white balance to be the main cause of that. the differences should be more
apparent under flare conditions, but even then, unless one of them is
multicoated while the other isn't, you should see little difference. both
Hoya and B+W have multicoated versions. i presume you got the cheapest of
each. B+W filter rings are slightly stronger and don't compress as much when
you are gripping them to put on or take off. that means them spin easier in
the filter thread.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: OT: Polarizer pictures, which is better, and why?


 This has nothing to do with Pentax, but I reckon there are some experts
here
 might be able to tell the differences. I did 2 shots this afternoon with
 identical setting just to see if there was any colour difference between
 HOYA  B+W CPL. I turned the filters until they gave the deepest blue
colour
 possible. These shots were done with the Canon A80 because I do not have
the
 *ist D. Now called me naive, but I compared these 2 shots side by side at
 100% in Photoshop, and while there is some very slight colour difference
 (could be due to the lack of precise angle of the CPLs), I would not be
able
 to determine which is better and found them equally good on my monitors.
 Some comments I received from other forum suggested the HOYA one was
 slightly fogged, while another said he would buy B+W. What am I missing?
 Why cannot I see the difference? I could faked their titles and tricked
 people to believe the HOYA was B+W, and like vise, but I did not. I want
 some honest opinion here. Anyone?




RE: Extension tube

2004-01-04 Thread Andy Chang
Thank you Ian,
Your advice is most welcomed and hopefully I can make good use to those
extension tubes. It is more of an experiment than a sort of have-to-use
basis since I have purchased a 100/2.8 macro to do most of my macro
work. And it has served me exceptionally well. I'm fairly new to macro
work (naturewise) since I had been taking shots of products or close-up
of products in a room without the nature interfering with the shots. But
as a biologist, I do like to take pictures of the wild and especially
the little things which we usually missed (I can't take photos of
bacteria even though I am a microbiologist grin, that'll take more
than a macro lens...)
I hope I can start getting some good pictures and put it up in PUG to
share with all of you!
I can't believe I only found you guys a few months ago What was I
doing all these years?

Cheers

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Ian bromehead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Extension tube

Andy
I am just as gullible as you, and couldn't resist buying one of these
sets 
On ebay. I bought the Extension Tube K set, which is A compatible to
stop
down the aperture
But no auto-focus compatibility 

So far I don't regret it, but they are clearly less practical than a
good
macro. Just before I read your pdml email this morning, I was outside
relaxing in the morning california sunshine. I spied heavy dew on the
leaves
behind me and used them to take a few photos. 

My biggest learning by trial and error has been that of DOF. Clearly
this is
one way to really understand how to use and control DOF and the
necessity to
take one's time in composition and think carefully in your mind's eye
where
to stand vs natural light to get the right image content.

The guy I bought them from advised me to see ...the ultimate book for
macro
photography is John Shaw's Closeups in Nature. It's a great read and has
wonderful photos too.. I have yet to purchase it, but he's probably
right.

I bought a small tripod which is absolutely essential for work with them
in
all cases. 
Also I picked up tips from folks much more experienced than I on this
and
other pdml's. Tips such as using cardboard to shield the subject from
winds
and draughts, crucial given the highly restrictive DOF.

I saw Rod's reply to you, and thought it might be useful to give you my
experience, which as he says is probably lens dependant. 
For f stops I have found that I loose 0.6EV sequentially with each unit,
used mostly with my SMC-n 50mm, 1:1.7. Just to remind myself of this, I
re-tested again today. @ ISO 200, I focused at f16, 1/125mm on a neutral
subject in full sun. I then inserted ET K tube 1, lost 0.6EV, and
subsequently lost 0.6EV for ETK tube 2, and 1 full stop when I added ETK
tube 3 which is the longest. How much you loose will depend on which
sequence you use these in, you doint have to use them in this sequence
of
course.

I use a PZ-1P and an older Kodak Dc280 digital. Clearly the capacity to
mess with glass and accessories is missing from the fixed, snapshot
digital, but the capacity to make mistakes and throw them away is
attractive
with digital, and I miss it. So I'm really anxious to see prices come
into
my range before I'll switch to SLR digital.
In between times, the PZ-1P is a wonderful instrument, solid and big
enough
even when fixing the extension tubes with a long telephoto or my Tamron
28-300mm zoom. It makes for a long lever in front of the camera, but the
PZ-1P is a hefty build so I don't have any issues, and a tripod is
required
of course.

Welcome to macro photos, see some of my work in my portfolio on
photo.net,
not sure exactly
How to direct you.

Cheers
Ian



Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:12:22 +0800
From: Andy Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Extension tube K
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Hi guys,

A belated Happy holiday to you all!!!

I have just acquired a Pentax Extension Tube set K. I had no idea what
it does first but after looking at Boz's web site, I have some idea how
it works. It was a bargain and I couldn't resist bidding for it.

According to Boz's site, it is a manual extension tube set and I guess
the differences between the Auto set and the manual set is about the A
position on the A and later lenses.

If you remember, I have asked about losing F stops using teleconverter.
I'm just wondering if it also applies on the extension tubes. By adding
extension tubes behind the lens, do I have to adjust the exposure
accordingly?

Thanks

Andy









Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Herb Chong
Tanya, same thing as what Arnie says, but even more. you have to figure your
break even rate, what you need to run your business and stay open. cost of
materials is a small portion of that total and that is entirely billed to
your clients. you have obvious business expenses like equipment, telephone,
computer, software, insurance, travel, advertising, and so on. anything you
can claim on your income tax forms as identifiably for business use should
be included as part of the cost of doing business. if this is full time (you
aren't doing anything else that generates income), then you have to figure
in yourself as the minimum you need to support yourself. don't cheat by
saying hubbie can support you even if you made nothing. take whatever that
figure is annualized and divide by the number of billable weeks you want to
work a year. you need to run your own business and it takes one day a week.
that's ten weeks gone right there. add four weeks for vacation, sickness,
and education. you're under 40 weeks. two assignments a week is a lot of
work and i don't think you want to exceed that. better to have fewer high
paying ones than lots of little ones. this is the absolute minimum you
should charge. you have to charge more than that since you want to do more
than break even.

you don't have to go through all this complicated calculation though. what
do your successful competitors charge? you can't charge big city rates
because you don't live in a big city, but surely you aren't the only one
around where you live. they're pros and charge what they have to so that
they stay in business and make a living. you have to charge about the same
as well. your lowballing will do two things, force them to lower their rates
and possibly go out of business because their margins drop too low, and
force you to keep your rates low so that you end up making money only
because you are being subsidized by your hubbie.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something


 What you need to realize is that you are not an amatuer doing this for
fun.
 You are a professional, and you work reflects that. Your rates also need
to
 reflect this if you want to make a living. I went through the same thing
in
 my line of work. One day I realized that I was a professional at what I
do,
 and I needed to charge what professionals charge, otherwise I wont be able
 to work.




Re: *ist D finder magnification

2004-01-04 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Sven,

on 04 Jan 04 you wrote in pentax.list:

I still wonder, why they don't make those finders a bit larger. Would
this really require a very large prism - or do the manufacturers just
find it unimportant? How wonderfull if the *ist D had a ME-Super-sized
finder image...

Yes, but the ME Super has no built in flash ;-) Those small viewfinders  
are not a DSLR problem but a problem of modern SLRs with loads of  
electronics and/or flash components in the prism housing. Actually you  
have to buy a Nikon F100 or a comparable EOS if you want to get a modern  
SLR with a real viewfinder.

I'm very satisfied with my *istD's viewfinder but it is also the  
absolute minimum. I'm wearing glasses and maybe I would have bought a  
Nikon D100 which is a great camera, too. But I wouldn't pay 1500-1800  
Euro for a great camera with a viewfinder that I cannot use.


Cheers, Heiko



Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread Bob W
Hi,

Sunday, January 4, 2004, 7:36:15 AM, you wrote:

 Me too - just on the list the other day, I noticed that I had used the words
 their, they're and there in *their* wrong contexts!  I was almost
 going to post an apology for it too, but decided to swallow my pride for
 once and just accept that I am human...! lol.

 I think that word is homonym, but I *have* been known to be wrong on
 occasion...

 John said: Steak and stake ain't a typo or a mispelling now is it? Theres
 a term for words that sound the same but are spelled and
 mean different things but it escapes me at the moment... I am guilty
 of all three types of mistakes from time to time.

homophone.

Bob



RE: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread J. C. O'Connell
someone please refresh my memory of the url for the pug please?
JCO


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com




Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Steve Jolly
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh!
Are you using the official Epson plastic negative holder?

I have a Perfection 1660 and haven't had any problems scanning colour 
negatives of any description, although Fuji tend to come out slightly 
better than Kodak.

S



RE: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread P Kong
At 02:57 AM 1/4/2004, JCOwrote:
someone please refresh my memory of the url for the pug please?
It's at http://pug.komkon.org/

Pat in SF



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Keith Whaley
Good call. . . If you've ever been where a gaggle of geese figured you
as a terratorial interloper, and tried to crowd you off their space, the
analogy works.  g

keith whaley

Ryan Lee wrote:
 
 Had the cricket on as background noise and I heard something I haven't heard
 in a while: gaggle of photographers. Gotta prefer it to mob or hoarde or
 swarm..
 
 :-)
 Ryan
 
 A gaggle of photographers huddled on the sidewalk beside a swelling crowd
 of onlookers  - Gioia Diliberto



Re: diy light table

2004-01-04 Thread brooksdj
 Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] burst forward and 
uttered:
 
 
  Spot-on again Tom. I didn't read the question properly - my apologies.
 
 Perhaps if I had phrased it better, my apologies for that.
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin

Nor did I,sorry. But the portable light table i described is way cool:-)

Dave




AW: *ist D finder magnification

2004-01-04 Thread keller.schaefer
I don't know about the Canons but neither a Nikon F100 nor F5 would be an
alternative - they both have a .7 finder magnification.

Does anybody know how cameras with digital viewfinders (like the Minolta A1)
compare to this?

Sven



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Januar 2004 11:23
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: *ist D finder magnification


Hi Sven,

on 04 Jan 04 you wrote in pentax.list:

I still wonder, why they don't make those finders a bit larger. Would
this really require a very large prism - or do the manufacturers just
find it unimportant? How wonderfull if the *ist D had a ME-Super-sized
finder image...

Yes, but the ME Super has no built in flash ;-) Those small viewfinders
are not a DSLR problem but a problem of modern SLRs with loads of
electronics and/or flash components in the prism housing. Actually you
have to buy a Nikon F100 or a comparable EOS if you want to get a modern
SLR with a real viewfinder.

I'm very satisfied with my *istD's viewfinder but it is also the
absolute minimum. I'm wearing glasses and maybe I would have bought a
Nikon D100 which is a great camera, too. But I wouldn't pay 1500-1800
Euro for a great camera with a viewfinder that I cannot use.


Cheers, Heiko



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Ryan Lee
I've had violent ducks believe my fingers held bread when it long ran out. I
think I get the picture :-) But hmm.. I forgot what it is for ducks- it's
not flock is it.. sheesh. Oh and a long time ago in Trafalgar Square when
they were still selling birdseed for 25p, a friend of mine discovered he
could recreate a certain Hitchcock movie by throwing birdseed at me. Not bad
enough? One of those germ motherships saw some birdseed slip into my
jackethood and I *swear* they've got a collective consciousness..

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..


 Good call. . . If you've ever been where a gaggle of geese figured you
 as a terratorial interloper, and tried to crowd you off their space, the
 analogy works.  g

 keith whaley

 Ryan Lee wrote:
 
  Had the cricket on as background noise and I heard something I haven't
heard
  in a while: gaggle of photographers. Gotta prefer it to mob or hoarde
or
  swarm..
 
  :-)
  Ryan
 
  A gaggle of photographers huddled on the sidewalk beside a swelling
crowd
  of onlookers  - Gioia Diliberto






Re: New to list

2004-01-04 Thread brooksdj
 Hello!
 
 I am new to this list and new to photography.  I have a feeling this is 
 not the list for me - from the messages I've been reading you all seem 
 very experienced.  Maybe I need to find a list for beginners?
 Thanks so much,
 jasmine
 
 

Hi Jasmine.
Nope,your in the right place alright. As mentioned this group of people have a wide 
range
of experience 
and tastes. I have been here about 3 years now and still find i am learning and 
growing in
this hobby.

As far as the scremount equipment goes,there are several people here who can help you
out,point you 
to websites etc.

Do you know about the PUG?Great place to show off your shots.

Dave in Canada  




RE: Evening / night photography

2004-01-04 Thread brooksdj
 
 Re the stars photo - I would love to be able to recreate photo's where the
 shutter stays open for a period of time with the starts creating almost a
 circle effect.
 
 Thanks a lot
 
 Naomi

I dabble in this once in   while in the spring and or fall in my backyard. Civilization
has not quite 
creeped up on me,YET.
I use a K 1000 and my 35-80 zoom set about 35 to 40mm at wide open.I like to find the
north star and 
offset it to upper right.I found 1 hour on bulb setting gives a stationary centre and 
ever
increasing 
circles.
I found anything under 1 hour does not close the circles very well.
However YMMV.

Good luck

Dave




Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Tom Reese
Ryan Lee wrote:

Had the cricket on as background noise and I heard something I haven't
heard
in a while: gaggle of photographers. Gotta prefer it to mob or hoarde or
swarm..

that isn't very alliterative though. How about phalanx of photogs or flock
of photographers?

Tom Reese






Re: *ist D finder magnification

2004-01-04 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Sven,

on 04 Jan 04 you wrote in pentax.list:

I don't know about the Canons but neither a Nikon F100 nor F5 would be an
alternative - they both have a .7 finder magnification.

I didn't care of the magnfication but of the viewfinder size: the  
viewfinders of the F100 and F5 are quite big and you get a similar  
impression as if you would use a good old manual SLR ;-)

Cheers, Heiko



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Ryan Lee
Nup! I still like gaggle. If one's a stickler for that little bit of
cadence, how bout a photogaggle of photographers? But then again, just
'photogaggle' would suffice wouldn't it? I think phalanx sounds too
anatomical and flock sounds too Heidi.. Hmm.. a farm of photographers.
No no! Gaggle!

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..


 Ryan Lee wrote:

 Had the cricket on as background noise and I heard something I haven't
 heard
 in a while: gaggle of photographers. Gotta prefer it to mob or hoarde
or
 swarm..

 that isn't very alliterative though. How about phalanx of photogs or flock
 of photographers?

 Tom Reese









Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 mike wilson wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Ann Sanfedele wrote:
  
   Scanning BW negs -- no problem
   Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem
  
   scanning slides - no problem
  
   but, but, but..
  
   scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh!
 
  Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour
  negative, haven't you?
 
  mike
 
 duh  - yes, mike  --

I only asked because,...well, er, the voice of experience and all
that.  8-))

m



Hello, a bit about me part2

2004-01-04 Thread William R.
Hello everyone,

I`ve tried posting about myself last friday when I saw a couple of you do so 
and it has occured to me that it would be nice that I make a little 
introduction about myself.  However for some strange reason it didn`t go 
through and so here I go agian.

My name is William Robert and I`m from Canada now living in Hong Kong.  I`m 
into photojournalism and documentary photography.  Presently I`m working on 
a book about life here in Hong Kong and I have a long ways to go before I 
finish.  I`m not a technological wizard in photography but I know enough to 
get what is needed done.

Gear wise I use medium format stuff like the Pentax 645N system and Rollei 
system.  For 35mm slr I use pentax LX`s through to MZS`s etc and an 
assortment of lenses.  I also use a Canon EOS system when I need autofocus 
because Pentax autofocus just doesn`t cut it for me.  When I`m using 
rangefinders I use a Leica M system.

I want to thank you all for having me and for providing a place to share.

William R.

_
Linguaphone :  Learning English? Get Japanese lessons for FREE 
http://go.msnserver.com/HK/30476.asp



RE: Evening / night photography

2004-01-04 Thread mapson
At 07:32 AM 4/01/2004 +, you wrote:

 Re the stars photo - I would love to be able to recreate photo's where the
 shutter stays open for a period of time with the starts creating almost a
 circle effect.


1. you need a tripod (or other sturdy, stable support)
2. decide on the exposure time - the longer the time the longer the trail 
(obvious) but also the brighter the 'background' sky and more likely the 
earth lights will affect it. for lng, long times I would probably 
consider smaller apertures.
3. probably avoid moonlit nights - no moon of any size in the picture
4. for shorter times it is nice to have prominent a famous constellation. 
IMHO it looks good and more like a deliberate shot, rather than ooops, it 
just happened.
5. for me having a silhouette of some nice landmark in the foreground does 
the trick. A nice tree with thick branches, lighthouse etc.

have fun bracketing and experimenting ;-)

   (*)o(*) 
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Re: Thanks for the Welcome!

2004-01-04 Thread Pieter Nagel
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 11:43:28AM -0800, Jasmine wrote:
 
 One thing I would like to get is a flash-thingy.  Are they hard to 
 find?  Expensive?  (and yes, I said flash-THINGY - I have a fine command 
 of the English language, thank you very much!)

You already received a lot of good advice.

I would only add that you hold back on buying a flash-thingy until you've
got a good grip on taking photographs using only the light that you have
available in the scenery.

I have an ulterior motive, of course: once you understand natural light, I
hope that you would also respect and appreciate it more, making you less
likely to want to go and fry the Holy Baloney out of it with a Big Honking
Raygun.

As you can see, I don't much like the indiscriminate use of flash. 

Flash is a tool, mostly used as a weapon that makes one look more flashy
and professional, and to scare your subjects into blinded submission and
approriate awe of one's photographic talents. 

Some people also use flash as a means of carrying a kind of virtual bubble
of boring, head-on, miner's headlamp frontal white lighting around with
them, so as to make all there photographs appear to be taken in the same
surroundings.

And a smaller minority use flash, intelligently and judiciously, as a way
to subtly enhance the light or make a photograph possible in a situation
where they otherwise would not have been able to take one.

But that intelligence and judicion builds on experience of just what
possibilities the light that is there offers them, so start there.

-- 
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 /_)  /| /
/   i e t e r/ |/ a g e l



Re: diy light table

2004-01-04 Thread Pentxuser
Here is a link to my homemade light table. I did not make it a friend of mine 
did , but it might be good for some ideas...
Vic 
P.S. You have to scroll down to the bottom to see it...

http://hometown.aol.ca/pentxuser/200lens.html



Re: BreezeBrowser 2.8

2004-01-04 Thread Frits Wüthrich
Now that I have the *ist D and installed the try-out version of BB, it
shows the images from Pentax RAW format rather blue. It might improve
with the next version. I'll keep an eye on it.


On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 09:32, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 My first look at it seems that it only supports viewing the raw file,
 not allowing you to convert it.  I guess it is a start.
 
 Bruce
 
 
 
 Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 1:46:25 PM, you wrote:
 
 PE BreezeBrowser 2.8 was just released, now with support for raw from our ist
 PE D's.
 
 PE Paul
 
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Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread Bill Owens
But he did take a lesson from Dan Quayle.  No e on potato.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: PUG January is open


 If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those
blasted
 splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-)

 Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?!

 tan.

 graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake,
 potatos.






Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread Bill Owens
That would be a homonym.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: PUG January is open


 Steak and stake ain't a typo or a mispelling now is it?
 Theres a term for words that sound the same but are spelled and
 mean different things but it escapes me at the moment...
 I am guilty of all three types of mistakes from time to time.
 JCO

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 -Original Message-
 From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:48 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PUG January is open


 If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those
blasted
 splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-)

 Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?!

 tan.

 graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake,
 potatos.






Re: laptop question...

2004-01-04 Thread Pentxuser
I fear a long thread is about to begin but I have to say it again for Tanya's 
sake. I use both systems. I use Macs, my daughter uses a PC IBM clone. The PC 
works. There are some advantages to owning a PC over a Mac but for people who 
are not computer literate, who want a machine that works intuitively... the 
Mac is the superior machine. It always has been and continues to be. That's not 
to say that the PC can't get the job done, but I will guarantee you that you 
will have more problems understanding the PC - it's filing system etc etc. I 
know the PC lovers will attack me on this but most of them have not used both 
systems. I have and take it from me that the Mac is simply much easier to use. 
And if you are going to buy a used one, the cost factor is not that great. 
Tanya, ask yourself if it's better to have a computer that you feel comfortable 
with and truly love, or one that can get the job done and save yourself a few 
bucks
PS - at my daily newspaper, all the photogs have Mac laptops...
Let the flames begin...



RE: hello again

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Robert,

I've been on the list for several years (feels like an eternity, with all 
the abuse I put up with here).  Either you left just before I came around, 
or I forget you.  Likely the latter.

Either way, welcome back!

cheers,
frank, Toronto, Canada
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: hello again
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 18:20:40 +1030
After a long absence on the list (several years), I'm back. ;-)

Since then I've gained more experience and Pentax equipment. Surprise, 
surprise.

I could only find a couple of names of the old users, so let's start from 
new.

I live in Australia
I have worked as a professional photographer (part time) for 8-9 years.
I have quite a few Pentax bodies MZ-10, ZX-5n, Z-1, Z-1p (2), *istD + a 
whole bucket full of lenses, flashes and other accessories.

So, once again - Hello everyone!
Robert


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RE: Hello, a bit about me part2

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, William,

I'm a Canadian living in Canada (Toronto).  What part(s) of Canada are you 
from?

I'm pretty much a Pentax guy (Spotmatics, MX, LX) with an old Yashica Mat 
(just for fun), and a Leica CL/40mm Summicron C (that's all the Leica I can 
afford, but I love it dearly).

Sounds like you'll enjoy yourself here.  I look forward to getting to know 
you better.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: William R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hello,  a bit about me part2 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 13:31:15 +
Hello everyone,

I`ve tried posting about myself last friday when I saw a couple of you do 
so and it has occured to me that it would be nice that I make a little 
introduction about myself.  However for some strange reason it didn`t go 
through and so here I go agian.

My name is William Robert and I`m from Canada now living in Hong Kong.  I`m 
into photojournalism and documentary photography.  Presently I`m working on 
a book about life here in Hong Kong and I have a long ways to go before I 
finish.  I`m not a technological wizard in photography but I know enough to 
get what is needed done.

Gear wise I use medium format stuff like the Pentax 645N system and Rollei 
system.  For 35mm slr I use pentax LX`s through to MZS`s etc and an 
assortment of lenses.  I also use a Canon EOS system when I need autofocus 
because Pentax autofocus just doesn`t cut it for me.  When I`m using 
rangefinders I use a Leica M system.

I want to thank you all for having me and for providing a place to share.

William R.

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Re: Introductions, introductions...

2004-01-04 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 02:58, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Don't complain. I'm living in a country full of... Americans!

My sympathy Mark.
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Re: January PUG Comments Part I

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Holy crap, Herb,

That makes all the difference in the world!  It's not that the yellows are 
brighter or more vibrant, but that I can see many more yellow tones in the 
animal.  It's kind of like more contrasty, but not really.  Just much more 
yellow information in there, if you know what I mean.

Probably more information, period.  It seems that the whole thing is 
sharper.  Believe it or not, with the new image, the focusing seems much 
less of a problem to me than the one posted.  To be fair to you, I'm going 
to rethink my earlier critique, and once I'm done the rest of them, I'll do 
another one for your new image, because quite frankly (and I'm always 
frank with people - I know, bad joke, but I've been using it for like 40 
years now...) it's a completly different image.

BTW, I thought the unidentified animal was a much more interesting 
photograph - what the hell is that, anyway?  Looks way cool to me!

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: January PUG Comments Part I
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:59:06 -0500
i changed the color space on the copy that is on my web site. this is a
closer approximation. what i see is more saturated.
http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Gallery/Selected_Images7.htm

Herb...

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OT: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Rfsindg
Tanya,

A few thoughts after 58 spins around the sun on this rock...

I've seen Moms do rotten things to daughters, often out of jealousy.
You can't change who your relatives are, so you'll have to live with it.
Just remember that you've got what she hasn't, and really wants.

Keep working and raise your prices gradually.  
I like the idea of taking on new areas at a discount, an experiment of sorts.
Eventually, you're going to have to charge more to weed out the clients.
Remember, you can work 52 wedding a year for $X or 26 for $2X,
and still make the same amount of money...plus have time for yourself/family!

Regards,  Bob S.



Re: Aperture sensing lug on Fujinon?

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Chiasson
You would now *have* infinity focus because the lens would be seated
properly.

Going the other way is no problem, i.e. putting a SMC Tak on a Fujica body -
at least it works for me, except that the Fujicas feel like garbage compared
to a Spottie or Rolleiflex body.

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: John Shelton lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: Aperture sensing lug on Fujinon?


 Here's a retro question.

 I have a Fujinon 55mm 1.8 m42 mount with the aperture sensing lug, which
 prevents the lens body from mating snugly with the  Spotmatic. It's
 obvious that I could file it off to get the right physical fit. But I
 wonder what would happen to infinity focus. I assume that sense your
 moving closer to the film plane, it would have no effect.




 John  Lawrence





Re: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Chiasson
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: OT: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful



 And here I thought the flash circuit was simple and mostly
 mechanical...  Though I'll agree that the mechanism is a
 bit tricky.  Okay, more than a bit.


The main trick to the synch circuit is that the FP synch contacts act as the
safety switch for the X synch circuit. The safety switch is open except when
the shutter is being fired, because the X contacts remain closed until the
shutter is cocked again. Thus an electronic flash won't be repeatedly
triggering until the shutter is wound, or a fresh flash bulb won't
immediately ignite. Pentax realized that most folks will be using flash
bulbs for FP synch, and electronic flash for X synch, so the simple solution
to the safety switch solution (for them, not having mirror lockup) was to
put the FP contacts in series with the X contacts.

For you this means that you have to disconnect the FP socket from the FP
circuit, but leave the FP switch in there for use as the safety switch for
the X circuit(s). The FP contacts are closed by the mirror as it rises, and
then opened again when the mirror returns after the shutter cycles. Clever,
those Japanese.



 Got everything but the scope.  Here's hoping I can figure this
 out with geometry, eyeball measurements, and trial-and-error,
 or that I can borrow a scope.  (Though perhaps sticking a
 sensor from a digicam or some Polaroid film behind the camera
 would be easier than trying to set things up to get useful
 information from the scope...)


You shouldn't need a scope for this job, unless you want to CLA the shutter
while you're in there. And that, as Frank and Doug used to say on SCTV, in
another topic, for another day. Some back bacon and Moosehead are always
handy, but not while you're working.

--
Robert





RE: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Homonyms?

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: PUG January is open
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 02:17:06 -0500
Steak and stake ain't a typo or a mispelling now is it?
Theres a term for words that sound the same but are spelled and
mean different things but it escapes me at the moment...
I am guilty of all three types of mistakes from time to time.
JCO

   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com

-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PUG January is open
If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those 
blasted
splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-)

Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?!

tan.

graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake,
potatos.
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Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

One of the *most* interesting threads here on PDML while I've been a 
member. I am sorry that I am joining a little late.

Yeah, I suppose so.  I just feel guilty being paid to have fun, but I guess
movie stars do it all the time and they earn alot more than i could ever
conceive of! lol
Tanya, you're a professional, that by the way, just by the way g 
happens to have fun while doing their professional job. Without 
getting into much of my usual wordiness - this is a blessing, 
definitely a blessing, and even more definitely not something to feel 
guilty about.

I will have to get back home and re-read all of this thread if I am to 
add any more words here.

But thanks for a great lesson. 

Boris



Re: Thanks for the Welcome!

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
What ~exactly~ are you driving at, Pieter?  vbg

-frank

The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Pieter Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Flash is a tool, mostly used as a weapon that makes one look more flashy
and professional, and to scare your subjects into blinded submission and
approriate awe of one's photographic talents.
Some people also use flash as a means of carrying a kind of virtual bubble
of boring, head-on, miner's headlamp frontal white lighting around with
them, so as to make all there photographs appear to be taken in the same
surroundings.
snip


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Re: Thanks for the Welcome!

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
But, seriously,

I agree with you, Pieter.  Despite my earlier advice to Jasmine about 
flashes, when I got back into photography several years ago, after my 
hiatus, I didn't use a flash for about 2 years.  Not out of choice, just 
because I didn't have one.  It did force me to learn to use available light 
quite a bit more, and I think that wasn't a bad thing.

I have a flash now, and don't use it all that much.  Mostly parties (at 
night, inside dark halls) and family snaps.  I would like to learn to use 
the flash better, which is why I'm in the process of arranging the purchase 
of a ttl flash so I can exploit my LX a bit better.

That's not to say that Jasmine shouldn't obtain a flash;  if she chooses to 
obtain one (let's face it, there ~are~ situations that it's necessary or 
useful) there's a really cheap Vivitar that most stores sell on eBay for 
like $20 or something.  Not too powerful, no tilt or zoom or anything, 
none-the-less it would make some indoor night shots more available to her.

But, your advice is good - learn to use light around you first, then learn 
to use the flash judiciously.

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Pieter Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You already received a lot of good advice.

I would only add that you hold back on buying a flash-thingy until you've
got a good grip on taking photographs using only the light that you have
available in the scenery.
I have an ulterior motive, of course: once you understand natural light, I
hope that you would also respect and appreciate it more, making you less
likely to want to go and fry the Holy Baloney out of it with a Big Honking
Raygun.
As you can see, I don't much like the indiscriminate use of flash.

Flash is a tool, mostly used as a weapon that makes one look more flashy
and professional, and to scare your subjects into blinded submission and
approriate awe of one's photographic talents.
Some people also use flash as a means of carrying a kind of virtual bubble
of boring, head-on, miner's headlamp frontal white lighting around with
them, so as to make all there photographs appear to be taken in the same
surroundings.
And a smaller minority use flash, intelligently and judiciously, as a way
to subtly enhance the light or make a photograph possible in a situation
where they otherwise would not have been able to take one.
But that intelligence and judicion builds on experience of just what
possibilities the light that is there offers them, so start there.
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Re: January PUG Comments Part I

2004-01-04 Thread Herb Chong
when i look at the image on the web site using Internet Explorer 6 and
compare to the source image in Photoshop CS, the source is more saturated
and there isn't a greenish tinge to the image. the entire anemone should be
shades of orange and no other color. the only difference between what is on
the web site and what i see in Photoshop is a change in color space. also,
since i updated the site with the newest versions of all my *istD photos
while converting them to sRGB for the site, i made a crop to the left to
remove the light area. i had been thinking about it since i was going
through the shots from that day and your comments made up my mind.

i have no idea what kind of animal is in the image above the PUG image. i
need someone who is familiar with what appears in marine aquaria to tell me.
it's definitely an animal and not a plant since the tentacles move like such
animals do. i would hazard a guess it is a colony of another anemone. BTW,
the two animal shots are hand held using *istD using the FA 50mm F2.8 macro
at 1/20 @ f4.5 using ISO 800. i was under a foot away, getting close to
minimum focus distance.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: January PUG Comments Part I


 Holy crap, Herb,

 That makes all the difference in the world!  It's not that the yellows are
 brighter or more vibrant, but that I can see many more yellow tones in the
 animal.  It's kind of like more contrasty, but not really.  Just much more
 yellow information in there, if you know what I mean.

 Probably more information, period.  It seems that the whole thing is
 sharper.  Believe it or not, with the new image, the focusing seems much
 less of a problem to me than the one posted.  To be fair to you, I'm going
 to rethink my earlier critique, and once I'm done the rest of them, I'll
do
 another one for your new image, because quite frankly (and I'm always
 frank with people - I know, bad joke, but I've been using it for like 40
 years now...) it's a completly different image.

 BTW, I thought the unidentified animal was a much more interesting
 photograph - what the hell is that, anyway?  Looks way cool to me!




Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Tanya,

I'm not a pro.  I don't know anything about being a pro.  So take what I'm 
about to say with a grain of salt.  Besides, Chris seems to be doing a fine 
job of providing advice, much better than I could.

But what you said below scares me.  Is it not normal practice to get the 
money for a job, or at least a good chunk of it, up front?

What happens if she doesn't pay you?  Sure, you could say well she won't 
get the images, but then you've invested all your time for nothing!  She's 
not paying for the images, she's paying for your expertise, she's paying for 
your time.  You're not just another supplier, sending off textiles or 
cutting machines or something.

Maybe a few of the pros on this list can enlighten me.  For a commercial job 
like Tanya's doing, what's the industry norm?  Payment or part payment up 
front?  Or complete the work and then invoice?  And wait.  And hope you get 
paid.

And, well, even though it's been addressed, I just have to comment on the 
she's assisting me in buying a camera thing.  NO SHE'S NOT!! (sorry for 
yellingg)  You can't think like that.  She's paying you for goods and 
services rendered.  What you do with the money is your business.  You charge 
her according to what you're work is worth, not what you personally need to 
do with YOUR money that she pays to you.  By your logic, if you decided to 
buy a BMW with payment for that job, you'd charge her $100,000?

I think you must separate Tanya the business from Tanya the person.  Which 
BTW, is something I've never been able to do with frank-the-whatever and 
frank-the-person.  So, learn from my mistakes.

Enough from me, already...  vbg

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
When she pays me the $400 in coming days, it will go straight to the seller
of the camera, and so, really, she has assisted in enabling me with said
camera, and for that I am very greatful.  snip
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Re: Polarizer pictures, which is better, and why?

2004-01-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: OT: Polarizer pictures, which is better, and why?



. I want
 some honest opinion here. Anyone?

It looks like the B+W is the stronger polarizer, but judging from the flare
towards the bottom right, the Hoya may well have the better anti reflective
coatings.
I also can't see any colour differences that are enough to mention

William Robb



Re: *ist D finder magnification

2004-01-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: keller.schaefer
Subject: AW: *ist D finder magnification


 Nice work - and makes the *ist D look a little better when compared to its
 competitors rather than to film cameras (and this looks like a major
 disadvantage of the Olympus E1 system, too).
 I still wonder, why they don't make those finders a bit larger. Would this
 really require a very large prism - or do the manufacturers just find it
 unimportant?

I think that some of finder size is based on screen size, which relates to
sensor (or film) size.
APS sized digital cameras are starting at a disadvantage because the sensor
is quite a bit smaller than the 35mm film cameras that people want to
compare them to.
What surprised me about the ist D was that it appears that the finder is
just a cropped 35mm finder, which is why the magnification is close to 1x
with a 50mm lens.

William Robb



Re: New to list

2004-01-04 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault
Subject: Re: New to list


 See?  Again, I'm making nice to the newbies, and I get slagged for it!

 I'm taking my toys and going home.  I don't think I want to play with you
 guys anymore.

Ahh Frank, I forgot the smileys again.

William Robb



Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Herb Chong
Tanya, isn't there an Australian professional photographers association? you
should be using them as a resource too. random Google gives me Accredited
Professional Photographers Australia as an organization. then there is
http://www.acmp.com.au/ who should know who the wedding photographers
organization is. however, if you are starting into fashion, these are the
people you need to know about.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something


 Hi, Tanya,

 I'm not a pro.  I don't know anything about being a pro.  So take what I'm
 about to say with a grain of salt.  Besides, Chris seems to be doing a
fine
 job of providing advice, much better than I could.

 But what you said below scares me.  Is it not normal practice to get the
 money for a job, or at least a good chunk of it, up front?




Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread graywolf
No, es is added. As it is in most words that end with O.

--

Steve Larson wrote:

But the e is added when pluralized.

Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message - 
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: PUG January is open



Potato is the proper American spelling. Which I guess makes Dan Quayle
smarter than you (no one ever accused me of not knowing how to use sarcasm
acrimoniously).
--

Bill Owens wrote:


But he did take a lesson from Dan Quayle.  No e on potato.
--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.





--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway.



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
mike wilson wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
  mike wilson wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   Ann Sanfedele wrote:
   
Scanning BW negs -- no problem
Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem
   
scanning slides - no problem
   
but, but, but..
   
scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh!
  
   Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour
   negative, haven't you?
  
   mike
 
  duh  - yes, mike  --
 
 I only asked because,...well, er, the voice of experience and all
 that.  8-))
 
 m

gotcha :)

I tried a newer neg last night -- same problem -
(btw, if I had not switched to
TPU from neg it would have been too orange, not to
green.:) ) 

I tried scanning as a positive and reversing in
photoshop... it was worse
(well, that seemed like a bad idea anyway)

sigh

annsan



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Tom Reese wrote:
 
 Ryan Lee wrote:
 
 Had the cricket on as background noise and I heard something I haven't
 heard
 in a while: gaggle of photographers. Gotta prefer it to mob or hoarde or
 swarm..
 
 that isn't very alliterative though. How about phalanx of photogs or flock
 of photographers?
 
 Tom Reese

Needs to be more photo-oriented - hmmm a pose of
photographers?
a shutter of photographers?  an emulsion (close
to exaultation) of
...?  a click of ...?

you would think I had time on my hands...

annsan

annsan



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
 
 Ann,
 
 I have the Epson Perfection 1650.  It seriously sucks for neg scans and I
 loathe the day that I bought the thing.  For print scanning it is great, but
 I shouldn't have been such a tight-wad and spent the extra 500 or so bucks
 to get a neg scanner.
 
 I can't help you much cause I've never been able to get it to do anything
 that is even remotely usable for me...
 
 tan.

aarrggh

annsan



Re: Pentax's dSLR future?

2004-01-04 Thread Steve Desjardins
The funny thing is that I suspect the reasoning surrounding dropping
the 
aperture ring control may have partly been a function of the move to
make this 
body as small as possible. Anyone who actually owns a *ist will well
know that 
you have to set the lens in the A position before it's mounted, the
simple 
reason is that there is such a small gap between the overhanging
prism/rtf that 
even I can't get my finger in to depress the lock button :-(  

This explains a lot.  I had no idea what you meant when I first read
this because I have never had any problem pressing the A-lock button on
the end.  I also have no trouble removing my CF card, although I can
easily see how someone might.  My fingers must be a lot thinner than
yours.  I've always been comfy with Pentax because the cameras are
small.  It just shows how personal some of these calls can be.

On a more general note, my FA 100 2.8 macro has decide to start working
with the *ist D again.  When I get home I'll try the FA 135 and the FA
50.  I just have no idea what when wrong.  I have been fiddling with
these lenses every other day for about two weeks in the hope that I
would see the problem.  The only thing different is that this is the
first time I had the grip on the camera.  In addition, I took out the
batteries in the camera itself so that the entire package would be
lighter  but I would still have the vertical grip.  Could removing the
batteries have reset some function that was causing me problems?


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: OT: News about Nachtwey and Weisskopf

2004-01-04 Thread Kenneth Waller
A recent Time Magazine (The Person of the Year Issue) has a full story on
the incident.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: OT: News about Nachtwey and Weisskopf


 Thanks for posting that ... very much ON topic as far as I'm concerned.

 shel



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Steve Jolly wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh!
 
 Are you using the official Epson plastic negative holder?
 
 I have a Perfection 1660 and haven't had any problems scanning colour
 negatives of any description, although Fuji tend to come out slightly
 better than Kodak.
 
 S

The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't
image it would affect color

ann



New kid in town : Introductions .. again

2004-01-04 Thread Ian bromehead
Well after seeing Nick and Steve both present themselves, and given that its
new
Year, I'd better do the same.

Hello everyone, I'm Ian. Currently expatriated to San Francisco working for
HP, I was born in
Rotherham S. Yorkshire, and lived in Lyon, France from 1984-2000. 
Which makes me a heinz 57, brit-euro-frog-yank, somehow.

During most of my early years, I learned on Kodak box cameras, Instamatics,
Dad's old Zeiss 
Ikon Nettar 515 (which he has handed down to me, dunno if its works, but
everytime I touch it I see Ansel Adams come in my mind's eye), an old
Practika SLR, before investing in Olympus and Zuiko glass
From '78-2000. 
It was until after 2.5 years of messing with a Kodak DC280 digital between
2000- and May 2003, 
that I realised it was too early to go digital SLR and my budget doesn't
allow for it. 
Also, life is too nice to spend in front of a monitor, which I find all too
often happens
With digital.
I simply love messing with glass and accessories (like tubes, bellows and
the like), but the
Family budget doesn't support *istD -- yet -- keep playing the national
lotto ian.

So, when my Olympus Oms decided to die, the quote for repairs was 1/2 the
cost of an
old stock, new ex demo PZ-1P,  Tamron 28-300 AS-IR (not XR). 
The PZ-1P is a dream machine, the twin wheels are a delight. 
Bought these @ Keeble  Schuchat, Palo Alto and SMC-F 50mm/1:1.7, SMC-A
F1:2, Extension
Tube K, and AF280T off ebay.
I'm seeking a 20 or 24mm fixed or decent 24-90mm, but pennies are short at
Xmas, 
so I'll have to wait.

This is all spare time stuff, last theme was macro/closeup work, just to get
the feel for 
The extension tubes. http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=364748

Also did some downtown SanFran night work, but not 100% pleased with it.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=364189

My current theme is early morn/late eve medium rise buildings. The bay area
has some wonderful structures, that reflect superbly the sun's colours. I'll
be posting some of these late feb 
Probably.

I've been subscribed to this list since end of July '03 and it is nice as
Steve says, 
full of experts, who spontaneously provide feedback, hints and tips. There
are
Some clear characters too, which makes for spicey e-conversation.

I hope to meet some of them one day.

Cheers
Ian




Re: (PUG idea..) and Smithsonian entries

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Ryan Lee wrote:
 (snip snip)
 
 PS. I'm sure there are a couple of others in it too.. just wait til sometime
 in February- someone's going to post a yeah it was a total surprise, I
 didn't think I'd win.. didn't you know I entered it too, Ann?
 
Hey, IF they say that in February it would
indicate a fix or insider info -
My rules thing says finalists will be notified by
March 31, 2004  ;)

But you are right, there is plenty of competition
without the rest of
our family in there too!

annsan



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Steve Jolly
Ann Sanfedele wrote:
The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't
image it would affect color
They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of 
the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in 
transparency mode.  Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's 
guess how the scan will come out.  (See 
http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for 
just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...)

S



Re: Bowl photos and chat

2004-01-04 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

ft Cory,

ft The photo you called 10 zig is as good a football shot as one will ever see! 
ft   It's terrific!  That's as good as anything you'll ever see on the cover of 
ft Sports Illustrated;  it's that good!

ft You mentioned the lens.  Was it taken with the *ist D?  Whatever it was 
ft taken with, I'm impressed.

ft I too got a calendar for Christmas.  An Audrey Hepburn calendar.  Photos of 
ft her, not by her.  I have an Audrey Hepburn fetish...

ft Anyway, glad you had a good Christmas and New Year, too.  I'm still blown 
ft away by that photo!  g

ft cheers,
ft frank

Not that often disagree with Frank, but indeed this shot is quite
amazing. The timing is probably just perfect.

Thanks for sharing.

Boris



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 gotcha :)

indeed 8-)

It was because I had been using Vuescan for a while, when it went all
funny on me.  I switched back to the original scanner software and, I
think because I had been having so much trouble with colours for a few
days, I completely missed that it was set for the wrong type of film and
wasted more time trying to correct what I thought was now a hardware
fault.  Another step up the learning curve.

Once I work out why I can't FTP stuff to my web space, I will post some
comparisons of scans using Vuescan and the Canon software to see if
anyone has an idea of what the problem is.

mike



Re: It's Stopped Raining

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
Steve wrote to Thrainn:
 Denim might not be too great an idea - cotton soaks up water like a
 sponge, and water resistant sprays wear off quite quickly in my
 experience.  A better plan might be to start with water-proof material -
 cut up a cheap plastic raincoat or something?

Thrainn,
Denim is too coarsely woven, but cotton isn't too bad if the garment is
wind-proof to begin with. But you have to find the right waterproofing
agent. We have some stuff here that requires the garment to be soaked for
ten minutes at boiling temperatures and then thoroughly ironed when dry to
melt the stuff into the fibres.

I prepare my cotton anorac like that. :-)

But seriously, I would think it's too much work for covering a camera. And
the garment would be quite expensive too. Steve's suggestion is good. A
polyurethane raincoat would do nicely. Try to fit a piece to the shape of
your camera to avoid wind tug.

Cheers,
Jostein



GFM Panoramic

2004-01-04 Thread Bill Owens
The wife and I went to GFM yesterday for lunch.  I went on up to the top and
took these shots with the *ist D.  There are 8 images stitched together
using PT Assembler in the final.  It looks pretty good printed on Epson 8
inch wide roll paper and 34 inches long:

http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=59

Bill




Re: New Year's Resolution

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Mine is 3600 dpi
 
 Thankyouverymuch :-P

Your welcome.
I think I'll settle for 365 dpy...

Jostein

:-)



Address change

2004-01-04 Thread Stan Halpin
1. For those who have me listed in their address book, 
please note that my primary email address is changed; I will 
be receiving mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2. Also note the new address for the old Lens Info site:
http://stans-photography.info
This will also be the address of the new site when that is 
ready.

Thanks to Doug (?) who suggested pair.com as a possible web 
hosting site. So far they are very good to work with, very 
responsive to questions. For a little bit lower cost per 
month I have vastly increased my storage and my allowable 
bandwidth.

Stan

See the Pentax® Lens Info Site at
http://stans-photography.info


Re: New Year's Resolution

2004-01-04 Thread Bill Owens
It's 366 dpy for 2004 :-)

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  Mine is 3600 dpi
  
  Thankyouverymuch :-P
 
 Your welcome.
 I think I'll settle for 365 dpy...
 
 Jostein
 
 :-)
 
 



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I've had violent ducks believe my fingers held bread when it long ran out.
I
 think I get the picture :-) But hmm.. I forgot what it is for ducks- it's
 not flock is it..

Quackpack?

Jostein



Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 4, 2004, at 12:29 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Needs to be more photo-oriented - hmmm a pose of
photographers?
How about a bunch of poor people? vbg

Speaking of language and typos, I wrote a message about panning last 
night while I was falling asleep. I kept nodding off after every few 
words, and the resulting message was close to incomprehensible. I was 
too tired to proofread the result, and I knew it was in shambles, but 
since I don't embarrass easily, I hit the send butt anyway.  Hey, 
I've been known to run out in the driveway for the newspaper in my 
skivvies g.



Re: New kid in town : Introductions .. again

2004-01-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Ian,

Welcome aboard.  Nice to have another NorCal body on the PDML.  Stayed
tuned for another PDML get together for our area.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce



Sunday, January 4, 2004, 10:00:30 AM, you wrote:

Ib Well after seeing Nick and Steve both present themselves, and given that its
Ib new
Ib Year, I'd better do the same.


Ib Cheers
Ib Ian






Re: GFM Panoramic

2004-01-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Beautiful view, nice shot. Makes me want to go there. Who knows what  
the spring will bring?
Paul
On Jan 4, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Bill Owens wrote:

The wife and I went to GFM yesterday for lunch.  I went on up to the  
top and
took these shots with the *ist D.  There are 8 images stitched together
using PT Assembler in the final.  It looks pretty good printed on  
Epson 8
inch wide roll paper and 34 inches long:

http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw? 
action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=59

Bill





Re: January PUG Comments Part III

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
Glad you liked it, Frank.
Thanks for the kind words.

And a huge thanks for taking time to comment all the pictures so well.

Cheers,
Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Party Time! by Jostein Oskne:

 Here's another shot where bird's faces seem to take on some character!  I
 wouldn't have thought birds capable of such expression, but this shot
seems
 to capture that!  The gull on the right seems to be saying, Yeah, just
 ~try~ taking garbage from this can!  Nicely captured, humourous shot, the
 composition is spot on, and it's nice and sharp too.  I like this one,
 Jostein.  Thanks.



Re: Address change

2004-01-04 Thread Doug Franklin
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:39:56 -0500, Stan Halpin wrote:

 Thanks to Doug (?) who suggested pair.com as a possible web 
 hosting site. So far they are very good to work with, very 
 responsive to questions. For a little bit lower cost per 
 month I have vastly increased my storage and my allowable 
 bandwidth.

I was at least one of the folks that suggested pair.  I've had the
NutDriver.org site and domain with them for a year or so, and I've been
quite happy with their service.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
Ann,
I have the 1640 too.
While I haven't scanned the Gold 100 film, I have used it a lot with Portra
400 VC which scans quite nicely.

One problem I have run into sometimes is that adjustments from previous
scans sticks. So I have to reset the box by clicking either the Reset or
Auto button to get a reasonable starting point.

Another problem was that for some configurations of colour profiles, the
scanner preview window would look substantially different from photoshop.

Hope this could be some useful leads...

Cheers,
Jostein
-
Pictures at: http://oksne.net
-
- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?


 mike wilson wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Ann Sanfedele wrote:
  
   Scanning BW negs -- no problem
   Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem
  
   scanning slides - no problem
  
   but, but, but..
  
   scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh!
 
  Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour
  negative, haven't you?
 
  mike

 duh  - yes, mike  --

 It then converts the neg to a positive on the
 screen.  which it does,
 but the colors are poor.

 This is set in the SCANNER software... (twain
 version 5)

 Ive been away form the machine for a number of
 hours --
 I'm going to try a more recent neg.

 One thing I worried about was it being wonky
 because I just
 don't have enough room in ram when I'm doing it...


 ann




Re: laptop question...

2004-01-04 Thread Mr. William M Kane
Ok quick!

   Tell me the name of 1 native windows program that automatically 
imports and catalogs your pictures from a digital media source.  It 
allows you to catalog the pictures in your own virtual folders (not 
actual folders), using an XML file.  This way a picture can be in 3 
folders, and not take up any more disk space than 1 picture.  Not only 
that, but once the pictures are on your disk, it can play a slideshow 
of these pictures with any music file on your computer.

   The mac native program?  iPhoto.

IL Bill - mac convert

P.S. - there is no such program native to windows XP

On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Amita Guha wrote:

I wondered if there's something about Macs that make them
good for that
application, ie:  quickly editing then sending jpegs back to the
paper/magazine immediately after the game.
I doubt it. There's really nothing a Mac can do that a Windows machine
can't do just as well. Maybe years ago that was true, but not anymore.
Amita




Re: New Year's Resolution

2004-01-04 Thread Jostein
Oh, bugger.
I'll be late as usual, then.
Hope I catch the plane to GFM..
Jostein
-
Pictures at: http://oksne.net
-
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution


 It's 366 dpy for 2004 :-)
 
 Bill
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:34 PM
 Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   Mine is 3600 dpi
   
   Thankyouverymuch :-P
  
  Your welcome.
  I think I'll settle for 365 dpy...
  
  Jostein
  
  :-)
  
  
 



January PUG Comments Part IV

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Man oh man!  I just quickly looked at the main page of PUG, and I've barely 
made a dent in this month's offerings!  Big gallery!  Better get cracking:

Cormorants, Lake Awassa Ethiopia, 1988 by Bob Walkden:

Cropped and composed just about perfectly, this shot would be wonderful if 
it were only of the three birds on the left.  But, the one on the right, 
looking in the opposite direction, adds just that bit of whimsy to the shot, 
making it quite memorable!  Beautiful bokeh, but the colours seem a bit 
muted - I guess it was an overcast day, and one must take what nature 
offers, right?  All in all a terrific shot, Bob.  Thanks.

Whitetail Deer in the Snow by Bill Sawyer:

When I initially looked at the gallery, scanning through the thumbs, I 
opened this as soon as I saw it.  It just jumped out at me, even as a 
thumbnail.  When I opened it, I wasn't disappointed.  Man, you nailed this 
one, Bill!!  Everything is as close to perfect as can be:  focus is Right 
There, composition is gorgeous (that tree in the upper left background, 
highlighted by the clumps of bright snow, balancing the deer's head on the 
right - man, it really came together for you, eh? g), beautiful bokeh (but 
still enough resolution that you can see what the background is), the snow 
on the animal, it appears to look right into the lens.  I could go on and 
on, but suffice to say, this is one of the best shots this month, in a 
gallery that has an awful lot of strong images.  Wow.  Thanks for sharing it 
with us, Bill.

Denali Caribou by Kenneth Waller:

Another winner.  Nice sharp focus, just one of the nicest, smoothest bokehs 
one will ever see, great composition.  In addition to all that, there's the 
added point of interest of the shedding antlers, kind of bumping the image 
up to another level.  Terrific photo, Ken.  Thanks.

Buck by Bob Sullivan:

Well, Bob, you have the misfortune of following two of the best deer shots 
I've seen in a long time. g  I must admit, though, I find too many 
distractions in your photo to say that it's top notch.  The bright green 
grass is overexposed, the backlit deer is underexposed, the branches and 
leaves in the foreground distract me.  Granted, it's a real tough shot, 
especially with the exposure difficulties you're presented with.  And, like 
Pat's hawk, earlier, I recognize that shooting in the wild, you grab what 
you can, when you can, because the deer ain't gonna stand still.  I'm not 
being facetious when I say this would not be a bad illustration of how a 
deer's natural camoflage works well in the forest.  Maybe it's just more 
that you had the bad luck of being in a great gallery.  Sorry, but I gotta 
be honest.  Not a bad shot, just not a great one either.

Snow Horse by Steven Desjardins:

Just a lovely shot, Steve.  The horse couldn't have posed for you any better 
if you asked it to.  I like the few wisps of dry long grass in front of the 
horse; somehow they just give that bit of atmosphere.  Beautiful blanket of 
white snow, lovely bokeh of the wooded background.  Very well done.

Donkey by Boris Liberman:

Like so many other photos this month, just a very, very strong entry!  
Beautiful, tight composition.  What really jumps out at me is that the eye 
is very sharp (auto focus?  we don't need no steenkin' auto focus!), and 
other parts of the face are softer - just a great portrait, imho.  Also love 
the way the hay in front is sharp, giving way to nicely out-of-focus hay.  
Just a lovely shot, Boris. Thanks.

Solitary Buffalo by Harald Rust:

One criticism:  It's a bison, not a buffalo.  That's it (and I'm just joking 
anyway).  After that, I can only praise this beautiful, tranquil scene.  
Just to show how bad I am at nature shots, I would likely have put the BISON 
g dead centre.  You showed that would have been a mistake.  I would have 
likely put in the tops of the trees.  By cropping then out (either in the 
viewfinder or later, I don't know), you ended up putting the horizon in a 
~perfect~ place.  So many beautiful details, I can't mention all of them, 
but I love the way the BISON's shadow breaks up the monotony of the yellow 
grass.  Gorgeous shot!

The Eyes Have It by Cotty:

After this one, I'm going to watch the last quarter of the Packers game, but 
first, I must relate a humourous anecdote (at least, I think it's 
humourous).  Before I knew the gallery was open, I got an e-mail from Cotty, 
commenting on my entry this month.  I immediately replied, and part of my 
reply was that I tried to do something other than the expected glut of 
housecats that were bound to be in this gallery.  Then, I go through the 
thumbs, and what image (er, digital capture) does Cotty send in?  vbg  
Well, it's a cat, but what a great shot it is!  Again with the manual focus 
just being spot on!  Hmmm... let's see, a K50 1.2 - could it be wide open?  
Other than that eye, everything's soft.  That dark background with the 
tinges of red works beautifully.  There's something more 

RE: January PUG Comments Part III

2004-01-04 Thread zoomshot
Frank,

Your comments are much appreciated. I watched him for about an hour, will
post the rest of the series when I get the time.

Many thanks,

Ziggy



-Original Message-
From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 04 January 2004 16:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: January PUG Comments Part III



Fishy Thoughts by Zoomshot:

See, now ~this~ is why you don't stick the subjects in the middle of the 
frame!  A terrific shot, it has everything going for it.  Over to the right,

looking to the left, with a ~very~ serious look on his face, we get the 
feeling this bird means business!  Love the composition.  Beautiful bokeh - 
I think that background makes the subject look even sharper than it might 
otherwise look.  However, nice sharp subject, great colours.  Overall, a 
terrific photograph, IMHO.  Thanks.






Lens comments website

2004-01-04 Thread Geheim
Hello all,

I've been away from this list for a extended period of time. I have just
recently started to read it again. I have a question. Does a website exist
that lists comments from PDML members on different Pentax mount lenses. I
recall of one such site a long time ago, but have lost track.

I don't want to start threads on different lenses that have already been
discussed. 

Thanks,
Chad Richardson



Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Steve Jolly wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
  The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't
  image it would affect color
 
 They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of
 the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in
 transparency mode.  Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's
 guess how the scan will come out.  (See
 http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for
 just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...)
 
 S

Oh shit,
maybe that's it!  I was pressing the negs right up
against the glass!
duh.  Thanks, steve!



Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #27

2004-01-04 Thread Stan Halpin
Ian, he IS right. Buy, read, study Shaw's Closeups in 
Nature. Go try some macro shots. Then go back and read Shaw 
again. He is an extremly good writer, one who is effective 
at getting his ideas across.

Stan

Ian bromehead wrote:
Andy
I am just as gullible as you, ...
The guy I bought them from advised me to see ...the ultimate book for macro
photography is John Shaw's Closeups in Nature. It's a great read and has
wonderful photos too.. I have yet to purchase it, but he's probably right.
...
Cheers
Ian





Re: Panning-was: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
I haven't shot racecars for a long time, but I got my practice as a teenager 
at Mosport.

One thing I did learn and remember is that both Doug and Paul are right:  
it's all in the followthrough!  Keep following the subject well after you 
snap (sorry, s-q-u-e-e-z-e) the shutter release.  Makes everything nice and 
smoth.

I don't know about 1/30th for racecars, Doug, but I think I shot this bike 
at around 1/15th, wide open:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1101005size=lg

Able to stand close enough to the track that I was shooting a 2.0 55mm 
(uncropped, escept to fit 8x10 print)

cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:49:29 -0500
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 22:37:55 -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 It's all about getting in the swing.  Once one has practiced high
 speeds pans, they're easy. If the car is going 150 mph, 1/125 is
 slow enough. But if it's going 70, you'll want 1/30.
I'm not as good at panning as John and Paul, so I use about 1/250 with
higher speeds and 1/125 or 1/60 for lower speeds.  I still need a lot
more practice, which I'm less likely to get, since my brother and I
(http://www.NutDriver.org) are preparing to get our competition
licenses in February.  Then I'll be spending more time behind the wheel
and less behind the viewfinder.
 Then continues the swing until the car is out of range and your
 shutter is closed.
Just like golf or baseball or shooting, the follow through is critical.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ


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Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?

2004-01-04 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Steve Jolly wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
  The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't
  image it would affect color
 
 They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of
 the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in
 transparency mode.  Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's
 guess how the scan will come out.  (See
 http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for
 just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...)
 
 S

Looks like it was my brain contributing to the
problem
I didnt realise how crucial the holder was...

(which is silly of me, because I had used the
technique of not
pressing something right up against the glass when
I was scanning real objects.
ugh.)

However the first neg I was scanning that had a
problem, had been in
the holder, now that I think of it...  boy, I sure
feel stupid.

Thanks much for this..  better than the manual
(which I can't find anyway:) )

ann



Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 Me too - just on the list the other day, I noticed that I had used the
words
 their, they're and there in *their* wrong contexts!  I was almost
 going to post an apology for it too, but decided to swallow my pride for
 once and just accept that I am human...! lol.

 I think that word is homonym, but I *have* been known to be wrong on
 occasion...

 John said: Steak and stake ain't a typo or a mispelling now is it?
Theres
 a term for words that sound the same but are spelled and
 mean different things but it escapes me at the moment... I am guilty
 of all three types of mistakes from time to time.

homophone.

Bob

Homalone.

Cotty




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Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

So, they are geese? How about a pantheon of photographers (are they
gods)? No, I 
got it a murder (crows) of paparazzi. GRIN

Where I work, it's a focus of cameramen, a whinge of reporters, an
assembly of editors, and the collective noun for soundmen is not
repeatable here.




Cheers,
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Re: Hello, a bit about me part2

2004-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

My name is William Robert and I`m from Canada now living in Hong Kong.  I`m 
into photojournalism and documentary photography.  Presently I`m working on 
a book about life here in Hong Kong and I have a long ways to go before I 
finish.  I`m not a technological wizard in photography but I know enough to 
get what is needed done.

Gear wise I use medium format stuff like the Pentax 645N system and Rollei 
system.  For 35mm slr I use pentax LX`s through to MZS`s etc and an 
assortment of lenses.  I also use a Canon EOS system when I need autofocus 
because Pentax autofocus just doesn`t cut it for me.  When I`m using 
rangefinders I use a Leica M system.

I want to thank you all for having me and for providing a place to share.

Nice one William. I've always wanted to see HK, maybe I will one day. Let
us know when and where re the book.




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Re: diy light table

2004-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 3/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] burst forward and uttered:


 Spot-on again Tom. I didn't read the question properly - my apologies.

Perhaps if I had phrased it better, my apologies for that.

Kind regards
Kevin

Hey - I'm the Brit here - I can apologise better than you!




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Re: Some waaaaay cool photos

2004-01-04 Thread Pieter Nagel
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 03:56:09PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Taken by a robot on Mars!
 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/rover-images/jan-04-2004/images-1-4-04.html

Its mission is to find life, right?

They should have send Lewis the robot photographer we discussed a while
ago. That robot was designed to seek out life. And it composes its
pictures better.

-- 
 ,_
 /_)  /| /
/   i e t e r/ |/ a g e l



Re: Printing XP2 - weirdness

2004-01-04 Thread Gianfranco Irlanda
Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The negatives look pretty normal to me (errors in 
 technique notwithstanding ;-) ), but the prints look extremely
odd. 
 I've tried to point out the weirdness in the captions. 
Overall, the 
 dark areas have come out looking almost solarised - areas that
are 
 virtually black in the negative have been printed even lighter
than some 
 of the shadows.

Hi Steve,

My guess is that they do digital printing on photographic paper
with a kind of digital mask not perfectly adjusted.
It reminds me the kind of look the AGFA digital lab printer
(dunno its name) gives to certain shots: it provides a digital
mask to alter the normal contrast of the pictures through some
sort of electronic dodging and burning, mainly avoiding that,
for instance, dark areas (clear on the neg) are reproduced
completely black. My lab has one of those machines and it
ususally gives wonderful results, although a couple of times the
mask was too evident (nothing compared to your shots but very
similar). 

 Anyways, my question is: is this normal, or should I be
asking for 
 reprints? :-)

I guess you should.

Ciao,

Gianfranco

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Re: Re[2]: laptop question...

2004-01-04 Thread Mr. William M Kane
Bruce et al.,

   Mea culpa, maybe I was spouting a bit there.  My posting had been 
made just after seeing that Tanya was looking for a laptop (for one 
reason) to use to project pictures while at the wedding reception 
coupled with the posting I copied that said pc's and macs could do 
exactly the same things . . .

   I was attempting to give Tanya (and others) an insight on a piece of 
software for the mac, and probably sounded alot like a zelot while 
doing so.  If so, I apologize.  I'm a little behind in my readings, and 
found that most of the posts simply said something to the extent of a 
pc can do what a mac can, and wanted to offer up some actual positive 
mac advice.

   Keeping this post on topic with PDML, I just made a purchase that I 
may regret (pocketbook wise), an *ist D may be on it's way to me this 
week along with the grip and batteries.

Bill

On Sunday, January 4, 2004, at 02:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

Why is it whenever we say that we shouldn't have flame wars about PC
vs Mac that all the Mac zealots chime in anyway?  Don't you guys know
how to control yourselves?  Or does that come with not knowing how to
operate a computer?
Get a life you guys - go take some pictures - Tanya already said that
Mac's are non-existent where she is.  The PC people have been far more
restrained this time around.
--
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, January 4, 2004, 12:00:57 PM, you wrote:

MWMK Ok quick!

MWMK Tell me the name of 1 native windows program that 
automatically
MWMK imports and catalogs your pictures from a digital media source.  
It
MWMK allows you to catalog the pictures in your own virtual folders 
(not
MWMK actual folders), using an XML file.  This way a picture can be 
in 3
MWMK folders, and not take up any more disk space than 1 picture.  
Not only
MWMK that, but once the pictures are on your disk, it can play a 
slideshow
MWMK of these pictures with any music file on your computer.

MWMK The mac native program?  iPhoto.

MWMK IL Bill - mac convert

MWMK P.S. - there is no such program native to windows XP

MWMK On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 11:15 AM, Amita Guha wrote:

I wondered if there's something about Macs that make them
good for that
application, ie:  quickly editing then sending jpegs back to the
paper/magazine immediately after the game.
I doubt it. There's really nothing a Mac can do that a Windows 
machine
can't do just as well. Maybe years ago that was true, but not 
anymore.

Amita






Re: PUG January is open

2004-01-04 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Nothing wrong with that graywolf - I lrv(ed) Buffy.

Actually, was just looking at the series on DVD on Ebay...

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: PUG January is open


 Watching too much Buffy grin.

 --

 Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

  If you are eating stakes graywolf, you'd wanna watch out for those
blasted
  splinters - at least you won't be short on toothpicks though... ;-)
 
  Sorry, couldn't help myself, nasty aren't I to play on a typo?!?!
 
  tan.
 
  graywolf wrote: Ah yes, the 4 basic food groups: pizza, beer, stake,
  potatos.
 
 

 -- 
 graywolf
 http://graywolfphoto.com

 You might as well accept people as they are,
 you are not going to be able to change them anyway.






Re: OT: While we're on language, have a collective noun won't ya..

2004-01-04 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
graywolf said:

 So, they are geese? How about a pantheon of photographers (are they gods)?
No, I
 got it a murder (crows) of paparazzi. GRIN

DEFINITELY a pantheon of photographers, but only if it allows for godESSES
too! lol

tan.



Re: Pentax's dSLR future?

2004-01-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jan 2004 at 12:34, Steve Desjardins wrote:

 This explains a lot.  I had no idea what you meant when I first read
 this because I have never had any problem pressing the A-lock button on
 the end.  I also have no trouble removing my CF card, although I can
 easily see how someone might.  My fingers must be a lot thinner than
 yours.  I've always been comfy with Pentax because the cameras are
 small.  It just shows how personal some of these calls can be.

My fingers are quite small too, I should have qualified the statement a little 
better. For instance when using the 77Ltd I can depress the A lock button 
however when using most lenses that taper to a larger diameter it becomes a 
difficult feat. I guess my card seats in more securely, some listers indicated 
that they could tip the cards out or give the camera tap, no way will mine come 
out using these methods.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Re[2]: laptop question...

2004-01-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Jan 2004 at 12:27, Bruce Dayton wrote:

 Get a life you guys - go take some pictures - Tanya already said that
 Mac's are non-existent where she is.  The PC people have been far more
 restrained this time around.

We know it's as futile as trying to justifiably criticize the *ist D :-)

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: January PUG Comments Part IV

2004-01-04 Thread Bill Sawyer
Thank you, Frank - I'm flattered!!

Being the photographer, I can nit-pick the shot with such things as I wish
the falling snow were more obvious, that I were a few steps to the left,
etc.  I was deliberately looking to demonstrate the winter coat of these
animals, and how that changes their appearance markedly - see this:

http://pug.komkon.org/01mar/MarchPUG.html

These obviously are semi-tame creatures, allowing an approach to about 30
feet or so - it makes things a whole lot easier.
I'm fortunate that two other members of the Michigan PDML, Ken Waller and
Mark Cassino, are both excellent Nature Photographers, and trying to keep up
with the two of them improves my own photography.  From Paul Stenquist, the
other Michigan PDMLer, I'm learning to shoot dilapidated trailer
parks.VBG!!

And thanks for taking the time to comment on the whole PUG this month - an
accomplishment in itself!!

-Original Message-
From:   frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   January 04, 2004 3:09 PM

 Whitetail Deer in the Snow by Bill Sawyer:
When I initially looked at the gallery, scanning through the thumbs, I
opened this as soon as I saw it.  It just jumped out at me, even as a
thumbnail.  When I opened it, I wasn't disappointed.  Man, you nailed this
one, Bill!!  Everything is as close to perfect as can be:  focus is Right
There, composition is gorgeous (that tree in the upper left background,
highlighted by the clumps of bright snow, balancing the deer's head on the
right - man, it really came together for you, eh? g), beautiful bokeh (but
still enough resolution that you can see what the background is), the snow
on the animal, it appears to look right into the lens.  I could go on and
on, but suffice to say, this is one of the best shots this month, in a
gallery that has an awful lot of strong images.  Wow.  Thanks for sharing it
with us, Bill.




Re: Re[4]: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful

2004-01-04 Thread Robert Chiasson
Because the module just set the camera to synch speed when the flash
recycled.

Billy Gates and confusers are smarter than *you*!  :)

--
Robert


- Original Message -
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: Re[4]: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful


 Hello Robert,

 How would it know how long to wait?  What if the shutter was set for
 1/15 or 1/8 or 1 second.  The flash faking it would not be much of a
 trailing curtain synch now would it?  Seems that the body needs to
 signal to the flash when to fire.

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce



 Saturday, January 3, 2004, 9:30:17 PM, you wrote:

 RC The flash could be faking it, being triggered by the normal X synch,
but
 RC waiting 9 milliseconds (whatever) before firing the flash.

 RC --
 RC Robert


 RC - Original Message -
 RC From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 RC To: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 RC Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:22 PM
 RC Subject: Re[2]: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful


  While it is a switch on the flash, my hunch is that the camera body is
  told by the flash that trailing synch is set.  Otherwise the camera
  wouldn't know to trigger the flash at the trailing curtain instead of
  the first curtain.
 
  --
  Best regards,
  Bruce
 
 
 
  Saturday, January 3, 2004, 3:16:03 PM, you wrote:
 
  PW Maybe I'm wrong, but with modern gear, isn't trailing-curtain sync
a
 RC feature
  PW of the flashgun?  With my Metz flash, it's a switch on the adaptor.
 RC It'll
  PW do trailing-curtain sync with the MZ-5n and the MZ-S, although
there's
 RC no
  PW setting on the camera for it.
 









Re: Panning-was: why trailing-curtain-sync is useful

2004-01-04 Thread John Francis
 
 I don't know about 1/30th for racecars ...

It's impressive as all get-out if you can manage it.
I've never got quite that slow, but I have shot several at 1/60,
and even one reasonable shot at 1/45.  One of the regulars from
a few years ago used to consistently do shots at 1/20 or slower.

A quick back-of-the-envelope calculation: on a high-speed track
the cars will be running at 200mph or faster - over 300 feet/sec.
That means that during a 1/30 exposure the car will travel 10 ft;
around half its own length.

It's easier to practice with slower-moving vehicles.  These are
a couple of shots from AMA superbikes at slower-speed parts of
my local track - I doubt if either is moving as fast as 100mph.
I'd guess I was shooting at 1/180 or 1/250 for these shots.

http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/ama-ls-99-1.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/ama-ls-99-2.jpg



Re: January PUG Comments Part III

2004-01-04 Thread Ryan Lee
Thanks for your thoughts Frank! About blown out whites and underexposed
shadows, other than available lighting conditions, I'm guessing the 2 stop
overexposure and the cross-processing added to it as well. About sharp
enough, I'm pretty happy with it, but I might have lost some shooting at
2.8. I really wanted to get rid of as much background as I could, and I
guess there goes some sharpness for some bokeh (I like it in this one,
creamy and not too angular). About fill flash, I'd love to have had my
360fgz on me! You know what I didn't like? The critter's eye couldn't be
seen at all! Like death by mascara.. There was the option of the RTF, but it
doesn't cover the 28 end of that lens, let alone any length with the hood
(which I needed because if not it would have probably flared).
I know cross processing it wasn't the best option for such a shot, but I was
experimenting and that's what was in the camera. Didn't expect to see a
kookaburra, so it was an incidental subject for me. BTW I didn't think much
of Elitechrome for crossing- the green cast in the non-colour balanced image
is sickly. Tried some Ektachrome 100 Plus Prof lately, rated 25.. oh yumm..
I might put one of those shots in for February.

Best Regards,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: January PUG Comments Part III


 Kooky by Ryan Lee:

 Good composition, nice framing.  There's just something about it that
 doesn't sit right with me, and I think it's the lighting.  The whites on
the
 bird just seem blown out, and the shadows on the bird seem a little
 underexposed.  I think had the light been coming from the right, it would
 have brightened the dark feathers, and left the white feathers in the
 shadow, for a much more pleasing balance.  But, of course, the light isn't
 coming from the right, is it?  Somehow this just doesn't seem sharp enough
 for such a tight shot, but I have a hunch it could be the above problems
re:
 the lighting, rather than focus or camera vibrations.  Like my initial
 review of Herb's anenomie, this isn't a bad shot, it just doesn't have
that
 Wow! factor for me.  I don't know flashes for nothing, but I wonder if a
bit
 of fill flash might be what's needed?




Re: Thanks for the Welcome!

2004-01-04 Thread Ryan Lee
lol Piet!

Do it again!
Haha it tickles!
Again again!

- Original Message - 
From: Pieter Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Welcome!


 Can you do that beam thingy again,
 mate?




January PUG Comments Part V (I think it's up to V)

2004-01-04 Thread frank theriault
Packers won in OT!  Right now, I'm a cheesehead (only North Americans will 
know what that means, but I doubt many will disagree in any event g).  
Time to do a few others, until I make supper (it's my turn to make it 
tonight)

Fluffy by Fred Widall:

First off, a great job on cropping.  I love the way the bottom of the chin 
and the eyes form a nice triangle - very pleasing.  I don't know how much 
you had to crop out, but there's still lots of detail left, evidenced by the 
fact that one can still see individual hairs quite easily.  Focus (manual, 
of course - are we seeing a pattern here? g) is spot on, with nice 
softening as we move away from the plane of focus.  Again, I'm guessing that 
the 55mm 2.0 was wide open or close to it.  As an aside, that has long been 
one of my favourite lenses, one that always seems to be overlooked when 
someone starts a poll of favourite lenses.  Sharp as hell, nice colour 
rendition, great bokeh - but, back to the photo g.  Another winner in this 
month of winners, Fred.  You've also reminded me to take my Spottie out for 
a spin soon!

A Stack of Cats by John Francis:

Great job of capturing cats doing what they do best - not much of anything.  
Top one looking at the camera, middle one deciding whether to swat at the 
hanging rope/toy (Is it worth the effort?  Yawn...), bottom one pretending 
to ignore you when we really know he's paying really close attention.  Great 
humour in this one, John!  Well composed, and a moment well captured.  Only 
criticism is that it seems a bit fuzzy to me, but I won't take off points 
the way I have some others, due to the genre (I'm going to be more critical 
of lack of sharpness for macros and tight shots), and the other redeeming 
features.  Cute shot!

Kitty Cat by Youri Shostak:

Interesting and different feline shot.  He/she (or if it's like mine:  it 
g) almost seems entwined in among the branches.  The branches alone are 
interesting, all knurled and twisted as they are.  The cat is captured in an 
interesting pose, and we're left wondering what it's looking at.  I love 
photos where you can make up your own little story, or imagine scenarios, as 
you can with this one.  Well done.

Repose by Amita Guha:

I have a photo of my old cat (the one that lives with my ex and kids) 
that's very similar to this one, and I was considering submitting it to this 
PUG.  This certainly wins the award for rudest shot of the month (Hi, I'm 
Misty, and I'm a 7 year old SST [single spayed tom]...) g  This is a nice 
sharp shot, quite surprising to me when I looked at the lens (!), but maybe 
this is one of those sleeper off-brands?  Nice detail of the cat and in the 
foreground, the wall is nicely warm and slightly fuzzy.  The shot has a nice 
rustic feel to it;  it makes me feel very comfortable.  Thanks, Amita.

Male Cheetah by Max McRae:

The eyes grabbed me first.  That gaze - somehow cheetahs seem to be able to 
stare forever!  Further examination of this wonderful image reveals lovely 
bokeh both in the foreground and background - now here's a situation where 
the foliage in front of the animal, being off to the side a bit, doesn't 
obscure the subject, but adds tremendously to the 3D feel of the shot.  
Focus and sharpness are excellent, and the composition again shows why we 
don't put things dead centre.  Those leaves in the left foreground balance 
the animal so nicely!  I really like this shot, Max.

No Fair by Butch Black:

Social commentary in an animal photograph.  I like it.  Had I not read your 
narrative, I'd have thought this a rather cute shot, but I don't anymore.  I 
wonder how many hours a day that poor predator has to look at his meal 
through that glass?  A nice detail is the cat's face reflected in the glass 
- one can almost see the frustration in that face.  Nice and sharp, well 
composed, quite poignant.  Thanks for the image, and your comments, Butch.

Lions by Tim Marsden:

You've really captured the majesty of these animals, Tim!  That is one sharp 
lens, and the focus is dead on.  Nice dark background to bring out the 
wonderful lighting - these lionesses seem to almost glow!  I also like the 
moving tail of the one on the left, behind the other's body!  Nice touch.  
Great shot.  Thanks!

Now, I'm off to make supper.  Might get a few more done this evening - , 
I hear Monty Python on the telly downstairs!  g

cheers,
frank


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Re: Printing XP2 - weirdness

2004-01-04 Thread Steve Jolly
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote:
Anyways, my question is: is this normal, or should I be
asking for reprints? :-)
I guess you should.
My thanks to you and William for the advice; I've sent the lab a snotty 
email and I shall expect a grovelling reply from them tomorrow. ;-)

S



Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

2004-01-04 Thread Anders Hultman
frank theriault:

Maybe a few of the pros on this list can enlighten me.  For a commercial
job like Tanya's doing, what's the industry norm?  Payment or part payment
up front?  Or complete the work and then invoice?  And wait.  And hope
you get paid.
Here in Sweden, the norm for basically all business-to-business 
contract work (which applies to photographers too) is to complete the 
work and then invoice. Standard time from invoice to payment is 30 
days. Some demand 10 days. Not all get that, though. Big companies 
sometimes demand 45 days from their suppliers.

Exceptions to this is if the contract time is longer than, say, a 
month. Then you'd problably send an invoice each month. Another 
exception is if it's a small and poor startup company in an area of 
business that involves big costs up front; then you may invoice part 
when the contract is signed and part after delivery. Still with 30 
days to pay each of those invoices, though.

To demand payment before anything is done is generally considered bad 
faith. That is something you only do if you suspect that your 
customer is going bancrupt very soon, or if you suspect fraud.

anders
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Re: Some waaaaay cool photos

2004-01-04 Thread Steve Jolly
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/rover-images/jan-04-2004/captions/image-6.html

I see lots of tyre tracks and a big yellow arrow - proof of an ancient 
Martian one-way system, perhaps?  It's definitely ancient - just look at 
those pot-holes...

S

Bob W wrote:
Hi,

Dogs in space! Over here we're all rather hoping that you chaps will
get your Rover to find our lost Beagle. Or at least pin a note on a
lamppost.



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