Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #724

2004-03-28 Thread edwin
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:28:29 GMT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Screw mount lens to K-mount body
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> 
> I recently bought a late model SMC Takumar 50mm lens and adapter and
> mounted it to my ZX-5n. It seems for focussing you move the switch to 
>open the lens and for metering and shooting you have move the switch on 
>the lens to the stop down mode? It seems very akward and slow.  Anyone 
>care to comment or share some advice?
> 
> Jim

Unless you are shooting at wide apertures and can see well enough
to focus at working aperture your description is correct.

On the earlier screw-mount cameras, the aperture was held open and you
had to push a switch on the camera to stop it down and thus meter
at working aperture, which was a little more convenient but not much.
Late screw-mount cameras (ES, ESII, SP F) had a form of full-aperture
metering system like modern cameras and lenses do, but it isn't
compatible with the system in modern pentax cameras (different connections 
and such).

My advice would be either to buy a Spotmatic F which could use the lens
in a convenient way, or to buy a cheap M 50mm f/2.0 which is a fine
lens and will work in a convenient way on the ZX-5n.  The new lens is
probably the better and cheaper solution.  While some Pentax optics may 
have slipped a little since the screw-mount era, the 50mm lenses have
 remained good.

DJE



card write speed

2004-03-28 Thread edwin
> > John, you'd know, does it make a difference, or much of difference how fast the
> > write speed is of a flash card? If things are buffered anyway? I mean I still
> > have to get one, a big one, and I am debating the cost of the faster ones v.s.
> > the slower ones and whether any speed gain is that significant.

The extra speed is not important for slower working styles.  For faster 
working styles (action, etc) it can be important, especially if you have
a small buffer.  I have several times switched from my D100 to the lower 
res D1h for model shoots because I was working fast enough that the D100 
was having to stop to write (buffer full) and I was missing shots.
 
> Card write speed is more of a marketing tool than anything, real world 
> operation is where it counts and there isn't much in camera speed difference 
> between most cards, see:
> 
> http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6432

Do check out rob's tests.  For "most cards" it probably does not matter 
much.  I wouldn't expect much difference between most manufacturer's high 
speed offerings.  

I have a bunch of older Sandisk 128 and 256 MB compact flash cards,
baseline models with no high speed qualifications, that I bought myself.
The company bought me 2 Microtech Xtreme 256 MB cards and a Lexar 12X
256 card.  The speed difference is QUITE noticeable in some conditions.
When I'm shooting action at 5fps with the old cards I will sometimes see 
the camera writing data for some time after the action has stopped.  With 
the new cards, by the time I take the camera down from my eye it is done 
writing.  Of course the buffer on the D1h makes this a non-issue, but the 
speed difference is noticeable.

DJE



Re: Screw mount lens to K-mount body

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
That's exactly the way it's meant to work.  Just remember this was a 
stopgap when Pentax moved from
screw mount to bayonet mount. Photographers with a large investment in 
m42 lenses didn't have to
replace their entire investment.  The technique wasn't as onerous as it 
seems now, only a few
years before Pentax didn't offer open aperture metering on any of their 
35mm bodies, many people still had
more that a few Super Takumars that they were using on ES/ESII and 
Spotmatic F cameras.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I recently bought a late model SMC Takumar 50mm lens and adapter and mounted it to my ZX-5n. It seems for focussing you move the switch to open the lens and for metering and shooting you have move the switch on the lens to the stop down mode? It seems very akward and slow.  Anyone care to comment or share some advice?

Jim

 





Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread edwin

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:41:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago 
>>and
>> STILL HAS IT.  

>Actually, tons of people who bought them sold them. And people who have 
>bought them more recently, for photography classes usually, turn around 
>after the 
>classes and sell them. And move on to something else, usually another 
>camera 
>brand, as well. Else they would all be on this list. :-)

Pentax made an awful lot of K1000s.  A lot of them are still out there.
There can't be THAT MANY photo students!  Honestly the K1000 has become 
enough of a cult camera that it is overpriced for photo students and there 
are better choices nowadays.

One of my co-workers, who is adamant that "Canon is better", has a K1000
that he takes mountain biking.  He wound up with my 135/3.5 and 24/2.8.

DJE



Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #722

2004-03-28 Thread edwin
> > 1) The numbers somebody posted said that in the last couple of years all
> > the companies had sold something like 1.5 to 2 million DSLRs total, most
> > of them to pros.  Look at the pro photojournalists at any major event and
> > you will see a lot of DSLRs (and no film ones).  I do see D100s and
> > digital rebels in my beat where rich parents who are sort of serious
> > about photography buy them to photograph their children.  Then they go and
> > put Tamron 28-200 lenses on them...
> 
> no, most of them Digital Rebels. it is the single largest selling DSLR model
> by a comfortably margin. 

Those numbers suggest that Nikon sold roughly 200,000 DSLRs, none of them 
digital rebel class.  At least locally, more guys seem to have EOS1Ds and 
10Ds.  That would suggest that pro and semi-pro DSLRs still account for a 
substantial chunk of the sales.  
It still amazes me that Nikon thinks it can sell most of a million D70s
this year at $1000 each.  A $1000 film camera is still much more capable, 
and a D70-caliber film camera is only a couple hundred dollars.  

> > My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago and
> > STILL HAS IT.  They still work as well as they ever did.
> > There are a lot more people in the K1000 market niche than
> > the LX market niche, and those folks are not going to run out and buy a
> > $1350 DSLR.  They're going to get a digital P&S.  Remember that P&S was
> > really lousy until fairly recently, so anybody mildly serious got an SLR.
> > This is no longer the case.
> 
> having it is irrelevant if it's not being used, even if in perfect operating
> condition. the only people in the all manual low end market niche are people
> in photography classes and most of them are strapped enough for cash or
> planning to upgrade to a real camera after the requirements are met that
> they will buy used for the semester or two they have to have one.

A lot of casual photographers are probably in NO market niche, because 
they don't intend to replace whatever film camera they have until it 
breaks.  When I'm out and about, I don't see the majority of casual 
photographers using this year's model, although recently I would say that
a majority of them have AF SLRs.
Canon is not selling all those film rebels (the best selling camera in the 
world) to photo students.  Perhaps all the people buying K1000s used are
photo students or collectors, but there is still a very large market for
cheap new film SLRs.

> the older cameras require operating systems and peripheral hardware that are
> hard to get. there was a column on buying used Pro DSLRs like the DCS520.
> the advice was that most of them were not worth buying because they were
> worn out. only if you get very lucky will there be one that will have enough
> residual physical life to be worth buying.

In general, it seems like poor economy to buy a used pro DSLR because they
are used hard and likely to be used up, and because at least right now the
older models are pretty limited in capability.  This might also be said of
pro film SLRs, and there is no shortage of those on the used market, and 
there was even before DSLRs came along.
Standardization of peripherals and such has increased, although the 
ability to get an older DSLR repaired has not.

DJE



RE: Sydney Intenational PDML

2004-03-28 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography

Mine were burning, but that was probably more due to the "wrestle" that I
had with my boys last night.  They seem to think it is hilarious to hold me
down by the ears whilst the other one tickles me mercilessly...

;-)

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 4:14 PM
To: Rob Studdert; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Sydney Intenational PDML


It came out as I thought it might Rob.A1.Love the colour and the depiction
of serenity.
By the way Frank,if I had known you really trashed my
pics,well...,However 'twas not me that burnt your ears.
Regards Chris K




RE: Computer Question

2004-03-28 Thread David Miers
Tanya, do yourself a favor and rename your folder.  Too many clean up
programs might mistake this for a temp folder or file constituting a
possible disaster of the worst kind.

-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Computer Question


lol! Sorry, Herb, my mistake there!

My "TMP" folder isn't my Temp folder - it is my "Tanya Mayer Photography
(hence the TMP) folder.  It contains everything pertaining to my business
which is why I was worried about the mentions of "loss" in the error
message.

I do understand what you are saying about the TEMP folder though...

Many thanks!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 12:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Computer Question


TMP means exactly what it sounds like, temporary. you should never care what
is in it unless you put it there yourself. my startup script unconditionally
deletes everything in it every time i boot my system.

Herb
- Original Message -
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: Computer Question


> I just began to copy my TMP folder over to the "D:" and got the following
> error message:
>
> "Confirm Stream Loss - The file "Thumbs" has extra information attached to
> it that might be lost if you continue copying.  The contents of the file
> will not be affected.  Information that might be lost includesL
> ":encryptable:$DATA".  Do you wish to proceed anyway?  Yes, Yes To All,
No,
> Cancel etc".




big is beautiful

2004-03-28 Thread edwin
>From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Small black cameras do not have the psychological impact with 
>photographers's 
>customers that big black cameras do. To a very large percent of the 
>population's 
>minds "big black camera" and "pro" are synonymous.

I agree that carrying a big black camera and a big black bag tends to get
respect.  I normally take the camera out of the bag and drape it around
my neck when I'm going to sporting events just to make it clear to the
guys at the gate why I'm not handing them a ticket.  I find that I get
a lot less hassle that way.

>You better believe that Nikon and Canon know this, and it is why their 
>top end 
>cameras are 1/2 again as large as they need to be.

No.  Nikon has been trying damn hard to make their pro cameras smaller, 
probably a result of getting an earful over the size of the F4 which many 
small-handed photogs disliked and even I will admit was HEAVY.
A lot of the extra size is for the extra batteries which are needed to
drive the things at warp speed, plus the actual warp motors which are not
small.  Back in the old days, most of the warp drives were external
(just like on the Enterprise) and the Nikon F2 and F3 were not much 
bigger than the Spotmatics or K-series except the full-frame, high 
eyepoint viewfinders.
The top end Nikon and Canon cameras are bigger because they are tougher
and more capable than anything else out there, and you just can't shrink
that but so much.  

>So as a pro camera, yes the small size is a fault. As a user's camera, no 
>it is 
>not, in fact it is a major benefit.

It's not so much that the public doesn't trust pros with small cameras, 
but that pros don't themselves trust small cameras.  Something that small
can't be tough enough and capable enough, they think.  I remember one 
member of the white house press corps describing the Nikon 8008, which was 
the second best camera in the Nikon line at the time, as "a lightweight".
My own experience tends to confirm the relatively lower durability of
small cameras.

DJE



Re: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Do not to use of any glue, the adapter could not be removed any more.
- remove the spring and its screw
- screw the adptor on the mount
- give the screw and to tighten
- put a little painting or varnish on the junction mount-adaptator, that 
will block the unit



Re:Sydney Intenational PDML

2004-03-28 Thread Chris
It came out as I thought it might Rob.A1.Love the colour and the depiction
of serenity.
By the way Frank,if I had known you really trashed my
pics,well...,However 'twas not me that burnt your ears.
Regards Chris K




RE: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread David Madsen
Thank you very much, I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress...

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Quick Pricing Question



ROLFLOL! That is too funny Dave!!

tan.

-Original Message-
From: David Madsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Quick Pricing Question


I won't work for less than $75 an hour, and I suck.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Quick Pricing Question


What's a reasonable price range in the US for a portrait
sitting ("on location"; I don't have a studio set up).
I'm about to go STFW, but figured I'd ask here at the same
time.  I know there are too many variables to just ask
"what should I charge", but I'm looking for enough of a 
clue that I won't be asking something completely outrageous,
nor selling myself short and seriously undercutting the
market.

-- Glenn




RE: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread David Madsen
>>What would you work for if you didn't suck?

>>Marnie aka Doe  Sorry, it had to be asked. :-)

That is a fantastic question.  If I had better self confidence I would
probably charge the same amount but might go out and get more work.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com




Re: Screw mount lens to K-mount body

2004-03-28 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> I recently bought a late model SMC Takumar 50mm lens and adapter and mounted it to 
> my ZX-5n. It seems for focussing you move the switch to open the lens and for 
> metering and shooting you have move the switch on the lens to the stop down mode? It 
> seems very akward and slow.  Anyone care to comment or share some advice?

well, in the good old days photographers were tough and
a minor requirement for physical action didn't faze them at all

they were primitive times - stone knives & bearskins & such

;^)  Bill
 
-
Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast

http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-



Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

ft> Here's the full frame:

ft> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2241649

ft> If you want to take a shot at cropping it, go ahead.  Same thing for
ft> everyone else.  Sort of a mini-WOW.  I'd be interested to see what other
ft> people come up with.  I don't think I'm very good at it, myself - I do try
ft> to crop in the viewfinder, and I think I'm not bad at that, but if I'm
ft> forced to do it after the fact, I always have misgivings.

I can relate to your reluctance to crop after the fact...

Nonetheless, the uncropped image is much better than the tight one.

I don't think that I have a crop of my own though comparing directly
the Jostein's version and the original uncropped one it clicked in my
head.

You know, among other things I am reading a book about NLP ...

Now, the original makes it look like the guy is driving uphill. The
car is behind him. The uphill is of course difficult and the backpack
on his back is pulling him backwards... So, everything is not easy.

Now, Jostein-the-wise  turned it a little so that now he is rolling
just a little tiny bit downhill. And now everything is cool. The guy's
having fun, and so is the viewer too.

Now it works!

Boris
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: PAW #5 - Sludd

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

>> This is high fidelity image, if you know what I mean. I almost want to
>> run for a rain coat...

DT> I´m not sure if I know what you mean, but I consider it a compliment :-)

Dag, it is a compliment indeed. You know, there is this hi fi sound. I
think that this photo is hi fi too. It is so true to the snudd... You
know, many people try to photograph falling snow and/or  rain, but
you've succeeded wonderfully.

I am afraid if I go on explaining I will loose any semblance of sense
here...

Boris
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: PAW - Zion National Park and new PAW

2004-03-28 Thread Larry Hodgson
Boris Liberman wrote:

>I can produce a question/request though - mind if I ask you to share
>with us, mere mortals , some basic key points of the stitching
>technique you use?

Hi Boris,

I use ArcSoft Panorama Maker 3.0 for my stitching. The basic key points for
stitching images is to plan ahead how you want to stitch and how many images
you will need to get the size you require. This will determine what lens you
use. Once you know this you can proceed. Overlap images by at least 25% both
vertical and horizontal if you have more than 2 rows. The stitching program
takes care of the remainder. When the stitching is complete, I check with
Photoshop to make sure all stitching makes are repaired if necessary.

Here is a link to an image I took this weekend on another "short trip".

http://tripodman.smugmug.com/gallery/65384/1/3136496/Large

Also in this gallery is an image of the La Sal Mountains. This was just
after sunrise on my way home this morning. This was 12 images that I shot
vertical and then rotated each so I could stitch them. I used a Super
Takumar 135 screw mount on my *istD. I most always shoot in manual mode so
the exposure is the same for all images to be stitched. The original image
is 13590x2913 pixels and is 116 MB 24 bit file. I plan on making some BIG
enlargements from this image.

There are 2 other images I also shot this weekend. One, another waterfal and
a Monolith in the desert.

Larry from Prescott

Comments welcome.



SMC-M 135mm f3.5 vs. SMC-M 150mm f3.5

2004-03-28 Thread jjmeeks1

Does anyone have experience with these lenses? I'm interested in which lens produces 
the nicest bokeh and their other merits as well. I saw an example of the bokeh from 
the 150mm on Valentin's site, but no example for the 135mm.

Jim



Screw mount lens to K-mount body

2004-03-28 Thread jjmeeks1

I recently bought a late model SMC Takumar 50mm lens and adapter and mounted it to my 
ZX-5n. It seems for focussing you move the switch to open the lens and for metering 
and shooting you have move the switch on the lens to the stop down mode? It seems very 
akward and slow.  Anyone care to comment or share some advice?

Jim



Re: Sydney International PDML meet

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
Rob (aka the human tripod),

I believe you, already!!  

Lovely shot, btw.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sydney International PDML meet
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:59:57 +1000
On 29 Mar 2004 at 13:32, Chris wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words Rob.Loved your non flash pics.What about the 
one
> you took out side at the end?

Thanks Chris. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2242946

1/6th hand held with witnesses (for Frank :-)

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 5:38:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I won't work for less than $75 an hour, and I suck.

David Madsen

-
What would you work for if you didn't suck?

Marnie aka Doe  Sorry, it had to be asked. :-)



Re: Sydney International PDML meet

2004-03-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 Mar 2004 at 1:57, Chris wrote:

> We all look forward to the next one with a (hopefully)larger turnout.Mr.
> Farrs apologies in advance accepted.
> Regards Chris Kennedy

Thanks for the pix and organizing the venue Chris, it was an enjoyable evening, 
it's always a pleasure to meet fellow PDMLers and their seldom mentioned 
partners. It's an interesting experience as the faces are generally unfamiliar 
but there is much familiarity on so many other levels (I bet some ears were 
burning :-). It's a pity that Stan and Megs visit to our city was so fleeting 
however they had good weather and made absolutely the most of it. Stan 
mentioned that he shot 600 exposures that day so I can't wait to see what he 
posts when he returns home :-)

My small selection of pics from the eve can be see here:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386781&display_list=false

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Wideangle lens choice

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
So does the smc 17mm fisheye.

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Andre Langevin"
Subject: Re: Wideangle lens choice

 

graywolf wrote:

 

AFAIK the filter glass is computed into the lens formula. That
would mean replacing the filters with gels would not be a good
   

idea.
 

But to add it behind the lens would not cause any problem.  It has
been tried by some PDMLers I think.
   

Gel filters are apparently optically neutral.
The polyester ones certainly are, and are a whole bunch tougher.
For those who are interested, the SMC Pentax 6x7 45mm f/4 has a gel
holder on the back, so it must be doable.
William Robb



 





Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 5:03:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Card write speed is more of a marketing tool than anything, real world 
operation is where it counts and there isn't much in camera speed difference 
between most cards, see:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6432

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
--

Thx! I am all for saving a few bucks. :-)

Marnie aka Doe 



RE: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread David Madsen
I won't work for less than $75 an hour, and I suck.

David Madsen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.davidmadsen.com

-Original Message-
From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Quick Pricing Question


What's a reasonable price range in the US for a portrait
sitting ("on location"; I don't have a studio set up).
I'm about to go STFW, but figured I'd ask here at the same
time.  I know there are too many variables to just ask
"what should I charge", but I'm looking for enough of a 
clue that I won't be asking something completely outrageous,
nor selling myself short and seriously undercutting the
market.

-- Glenn



Re: OT? Advice wanted for setting up a web site

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
You can download everything you need from sun for free.  (I don't 
remember the URL and I'm too lazy to look it up).

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:55:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Javascript is indeed supported.

There was some controversy about Java not being supported natively, 
though, since Microsoft wanted to do some changes to Java that it's 
owner Sun Microsystems didn't allow. You could still install a Java 
interpreter separately, and as far as I know, most people have.

Java and Javascript is not the same thing.

 

anders
   

Aha. I think I always found it a bit confusing about what MS wouldn't support 
anymore. Thanks. Some Java libraries are no longer distributed free any more, 
I think. Anyway, I know I ran into problems with that. But managed to 
download the last set of Java class libraries (from a friend) that now are no longer 
available.

Marnie aka Doe 

 





Re: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread Don Herring
At 05:10 PM 3/28/2004 -0800, you wrote:

Hi,

I have a lens which was converted as you'd like.  I'll dig
it out, examine it, and maybe even send some pics.  Give me
a day or two.
shel


That would be cool.  Thanks

Don



Voyeuristic Photos

2004-03-28 Thread Chris
Frank I can understand why you found these photos disquieting,considering
the content!But this time eveybody knew they were being shot,and anyway
blame the waiter who took the shots.
Chris K
No liability accepted whatsoever.My camera?I still don't care.(All in Jest)




Re: Wideangle lens choice

2004-03-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Mar 2004 at 8:41, William Robb wrote:

> I also wonder about the possibility of putting gel filters on the
> rear of the lens.
> I should have mine in a month or so, and will be exploring these
> possibilities.
> The colour filters are pretty useless for me as well, since I rarely
> shoot black and white with the pee-wee format.

The 15/3.5 isn't a lens that will lend its self to rear mount filters as the 
rear elements sit proud. I too would love to replace at least one filter in my 
filter wheel with a dark blue filter.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi,

I have a lens which was converted as you'd like.  I'll dig
it out, examine it, and maybe even send some pics.  Give me
a day or two.

shel

Don Herring wrote:
> 
> Been digging my SMCT Screwmount 500/4.5 a bunch since I've gotten my lens
> support issues out of the way.
> 
> The biggest hassle I have at the moment is dealing with the screw mount
> adapter and my *ist-d.  So, I've been thinking about a semi permanent
> attachment of the adapter to the lens.
> 
> I've tried removing the locking spring from the adaptor and using the screw
> to set the adapter on the lens, but it doesn't seem to hold. Which has lead
> to the thought of drilling a small hole or indent into to thread for the
> screw to set into.
> 
> I've also thought about some form of adhesive to attach the adapter to the
> lens, but I'm kind of torn as to what to use.  I know epoxy would do the
> trick, but that would make it permanent.  I've also thought about some of
> that blue thread lock compound but am unsure if that would be sufficient.
> 
> Has anyone used any type of adhesive in this manner, and how did it work
> out?  Any other thoughts? I would like to come up with a solution that
> could be reversed if need be.
> 
> tia
> 
> Don



Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?

2004-03-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Mar 2004 at 15:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> John, you'd know, does it make a difference, or much of difference how fast the
> write speed is of a flash card? If things are buffered anyway? I mean I still
> have to get one, a big one, and I am debating the cost of the faster ones v.s.
> the slower ones and whether any speed gain is that significant.

Card write speed is more of a marketing tool than anything, real world 
operation is where it counts and there isn't much in camera speed difference 
between most cards, see:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6432

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Recommendations: Roll Film Washer

2004-03-28 Thread Bill Sawyer
I'd like to get a film washer for processing 35mm and 120/220 roll film.
Thus far, I've looked at Calumet, Doran & Watson (both from B&H). Does
anyone have any thoughts on the subject?

Thanks in advance.




PAW: Sunset on Kauai

2004-03-28 Thread Fred Widall
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2242453

Back in February 2000 my wife & I had the great pleasure of visiting the
Hawaiian Islands. One of the islands we visited was Kauai. This shot
was taken one evening on the beach at the Radisson Kauai Beach Resort
outside of Lihue. A warm tropic breeze was blowing, the waves were
lapping the shore, and the setting sun was turning the sand golden. A
perfect time for a romantic stroll on the beach  but I was too
busy taking photographs. Still I did manage to photograph another
couple enjoying a stroll 

Hope you like it.

--
 Fred Widall,
 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
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Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
Large reversable history among other things.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/28/2004 5:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
   

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The number one culprit behind file fragmentation is Internet Explorer's
Temporary Internet files. Especially if you don't delete them each time you
close the browser.
My favourite configuration of drives is to have 3 partitions (or even
better: 3 physical drives), one for system files and the WindowsXP swap
file, one for Temporary Internet Files, and one for data and Photoshop
Scratch File.
This keeps most of the fragmentation on one drive, and thus don't mess with
the read/write speed of anything else.
I have tried to put the Photoshop Scratch File on either the system
partition or the data partition, but can't see any difference in
performance.
 

Jostein
   

I've never used PS. But from people are saying it must use one LARGE scratch 
file. What is the purpose of this? Some sort of buffering? For memory control? 
Making it faster? Or providing a workspace? Like the edit/paste space that 
the Windows Clipboard provides? 

Marnie aka Parker  And I am beginning to be very glad I've never upgraded 
from ME to XP. ;-)

 





Re: OT what is that makes the CD not usable ?- was : Photo Software

2004-03-28 Thread John Mustarde

>>I'm at a loss for use with photo software since my PhotoShop CD appears to
>>be not usable anymore when I needed to reinstall it.   :-/
>>

Adobe used to replace damaged or lost Photoshop CD's for a small fee,
I think it was ten dollars.  They required a simple affidavit of loss,
and of course they had me on record as the registered owner.  I used
this service a couple of years ago and got a brand new CD.

--
John Mustarde
www.photolin.com



Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
Since they put the paging file on the FAT partition, I remember that 
there may be a legitimate reason to set up
a machine with a NTFS and FAT partition.  Supposedly there is a 
performance gain from using FAT for that
purpose.  Just how much is a question since I never notice a perceptible 
change when I changed the laptop I was
using to a single NTFS partition. (Just a heads up).

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Seems that whoever set up your machine has made it difficult
for you.  However, it should be fairly simple to change the
location of the paging file.  I think I did that on my Win
XP machine.
BTW, if you have enough memory and disk space, having the
paging file and the scratch disk on the same drive may not
be a problem.  I've got PS 6 running quite well on one
drive, which includes the scratch disk and paging file,
There is, BTW, a way to locate the paging file so it doesn't
move around and get in the way of the scratch disk.  I'll
check the XP machine and get back to you later.
shel

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
 

*eek* I changed my PS Scratch disks as suggested earlier on to have the
primary scratch disk as "D:".  Well, I have just gone in to reopen PS to do
some work, and I get this message:
"You currently have Adobe Photoshop's primary Scratch and Window's primary
paging file on the same volume, which can result in reduced performance.  It
is recommended that you set Adobe Photoshop's primary scratch volume to be
on a different volume, preferably on a different physical drive".
So this kinda puts a spanner in the works!  I thought that the windows file
would have been on the C: and thus this is why I went with D: as the Scratch
Disk?  Geeez, I am so confused...
tan.
   



 





Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread Peter J. Alling
I forgive him he was a lawyer but he got better.

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

Frank, the smarty pants wrote:

"Not to nit pick, Peter,..."

Har!

tan.

 





Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 Mar 2004 at 9:31, Rob Studdert wrote:

> The general rule of thumb is don't assign your PS scratch disk to the same drive
> as your Windows swap file resides on.

Further to this if any Windows users wish to assess their actual physical hard 
drive speeds in order to assess where to assign your PS scratch file the 
following little test utility provides a great graphical display of disk 
performance.

http://www.hdtune.com/

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?

2004-03-28 Thread John Francis
> 
> John, you'd know, does it make a difference, or much of difference how fast 
> the write speed is of a flash card? If things are buffered anyway?

Only if you fill up the buffer (which, on the *ist-D, means shooting more
than five images in continuous shooting mode).  If, like most people, you
generally stop and think between exposures you'll never see the difference
when shooting.  You *might* see a difference when uploading images to your
computer (that rather depenmds on what sort of card reader you use), but
it's not going to be all that significant in total time.  In fact I'll
often just use the (really slow) USB 1.1 transfer cable, even for several
hundred MB of images - just start the transfer, and by the time I'm ready
to work on the images things are all ready for me.



Re: Wideangle lens choice

2004-03-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Andre Langevin"
Subject: Re: Wideangle lens choice


> >graywolf wrote:
> >
> >>AFAIK the filter glass is computed into the lens formula. That
> >>would mean replacing the filters with gels would not be a good
idea.
>
> But to add it behind the lens would not cause any problem.  It has
> been tried by some PDMLers I think.

Gel filters are apparently optically neutral.
The polyester ones certainly are, and are a whole bunch tougher.

For those who are interested, the SMC Pentax 6x7 45mm f/4 has a gel
holder on the back, so it must be doable.

William Robb




Re: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Herring"
Subject: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment



> I've tried removing the locking spring from the adaptor and using
the screw
> to set the adapter on the lens, but it doesn't seem to hold. Which
has lead
> to the thought of drilling a small hole or indent into to thread
for the
> screw to set into.

Check and make sure that the hole does indeed go all the way through
the adaptor. If it does, that should be all that is required.
>
> I've also thought about some form of adhesive to attach the adapter
to the
> lens, but I'm kind of torn as to what to use.  I know epoxy would
do the
> trick, but that would make it permanent.  I've also thought about
some of
> that blue thread lock compound but am unsure if that would be
sufficient.
>
> Has anyone used any type of adhesive in this manner, and how did it
work
> out?  Any other thoughts? I would like to come up with a solution
that
> could be reversed if need be.

Thread locking compounds come in a variety of strengths, from easily
removable to rent a jack hammer. I hesitate to recomend the stuff
though, as if you really want to be able to remove the ring down the
road, it might make it difficult to clean the threads on the lens
when you want to convert back to screw mount.

You should be able to lock it on sufficiently with the spring
attachment screw, providing it can be screwed entirely through the
adaptor.

William Robb




Re: Sydney International PDML meet

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley
Well done, sir!
Nice to see those with whom I've corresponded for a long time.
Put a face to the name...
Thanks,

keith whaley

Chris wrote:

Well here they are ,hot off the press(*istD),the first photos of our get
together in Sydney Sunday Night.Rob S.and Stan Halpin will probably post
better shots,these were taken by the waiter.In attendance were Ger and Rob
Studdert,Stan and Meg Halpin,Chris Kennedy(moi)and Marika and David
Nelson.Altough it was a small turnout it wasanextremely enjoyable one with
the seafood at Doyles up to scratch.Stan and Meg seemed quite sprightly
considering they had been traipsing around Sydney for two days following a
long journey over.They brought the good weather over with them and we hope
it continues for them as they are a delightful couple and most welcome
here.We all were meeting for the first time (Except partners of course.)and
hit it off well.Remarkable when you have a commonality.There were three
*istD's in evidence and all were used.No doubt to be posted later.
Check out the attendees:
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362425
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362433
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362482
We all look forward to the next one with a (hopefully)larger turnout.Mr.
Farrs apologies in advance accepted.
Regards Chris Kennedy






Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Mar 2004 at 16:13, Herb Chong wrote:

> it always does, even on tiny files. it backs up what is in memory so that if PS
> runs out of space in RAM and there is a copy on disk, it doesn't have to write
> it to disk again. you find out things like this reading the Photoshop Plugin SDK
> documentation.

The "grunting" or excessive hdd access usually only occurs when the system runs 
out of real RAM and the OS starts to bight into the system swapfile for memory.

A Photoshop temp file is always generated as Herb mentioned but it is generally 
written on the drive chosen in the Photoshop scratch disk preferences and can 
be found in the subdirectory assigned as temp in the users variables (type set 
in a DOS box to see your current temp folder settings)

The general rule of thumb is don't assign your PS scratch disk to the same 
drive as your Windows swap file resides on.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



PAW - birds and long lenses

2004-03-28 Thread Herb Chong
http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/temp/

the first three were taken with my *istD at ISO 200 using my FA* 400 f5.6
with the Pentax A1.4X-L and then cropped exactly 50%. that means a total
effective FOV of 400mm * 1.4 * 1.5 * 2.0 = 1680mm. the second three were
taken with *istD at ISO 800 using my FA* 400 f5.6 with the Sigma AF APO 2.0
extender and then cropped 50% too. that is an effective FOV of 400mm * 2.0 *
1.5 * 2.0 = 2400. all were taken this weekend in the Hudson Valley region of
NY State.

Herb




Pictures of a young lady friend

2004-03-28 Thread Lasse Karlsson
I uploaded another set of pictures of a young lady friend.
We happened to be on the same boat for Aland in late July a few years back.
I had previously been thinking of asking if I she'd like to model for me, why I took 
the opportunity to ask her if I could finish my half a roll of Agfa 200 in a portrait 
series on the rear deck as there was a nice low sun, although a bit windy and not 
really warm.
I used the MZ5 and my old M42 Pentacon 135/2.8 at full open at 1/250 s.
These are consecutive shots from the first to the last, omitting a few where she was 
talking to me.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=386748

Comments welcome, also on specific shots.

Thanks,
Lasse




Re: Wideangle lens choice

2004-03-28 Thread Andre Langevin
graywolf wrote:

AFAIK the filter glass is computed into the lens formula. That 
would mean replacing the filters with gels would not be a good idea.
But to add it behind the lens would not cause any problem.  It has 
been tried by some PDMLers I think.

Andre



RE: Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread Alan Chan
I think the very high strength threadlock from Threebond might do the trick. 
You should be able to find them in auto shops.

Regards,
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Been digging my SMCT Screwmount 500/4.5 a bunch since I've gotten my lens 
support issues out of the way.

The biggest hassle I have at the moment is dealing with the screw mount 
adapter and my *ist-d.  So, I've been thinking about a semi permanent 
attachment of the adapter to the lens.

I've tried removing the locking spring from the adaptor and using the screw 
to set the adapter on the lens, but it doesn't seem to hold. Which has lead 
to the thought of drilling a small hole or indent into to thread for the 
screw to set into.

I've also thought about some form of adhesive to attach the adapter to the 
lens, but I'm kind of torn as to what to use.  I know epoxy would do the 
trick, but that would make it permanent.  I've also thought about some of 
that blue thread lock compound but am unsure if that would be sufficient.

Has anyone used any type of adhesive in this manner, and how did it work 
out?  Any other thoughts? I would like to come up with a solution that 
could be reversed if need be.
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Semi-permanent screw mount adapter attachment

2004-03-28 Thread Don Herring
Been digging my SMCT Screwmount 500/4.5 a bunch since I've gotten my lens 
support issues out of the way.

The biggest hassle I have at the moment is dealing with the screw mount 
adapter and my *ist-d.  So, I've been thinking about a semi permanent 
attachment of the adapter to the lens.

I've tried removing the locking spring from the adaptor and using the screw 
to set the adapter on the lens, but it doesn't seem to hold. Which has lead 
to the thought of drilling a small hole or indent into to thread for the 
screw to set into.

I've also thought about some form of adhesive to attach the adapter to the 
lens, but I'm kind of torn as to what to use.  I know epoxy would do the 
trick, but that would make it permanent.  I've also thought about some of 
that blue thread lock compound but am unsure if that would be sufficient.

Has anyone used any type of adhesive in this manner, and how did it work 
out?  Any other thoughts? I would like to come up with a solution that 
could be reversed if need be.

tia

Don



RE: Moving some webpages

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Thornsberry
Where is that article on Chromatic abberation.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jostein
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Moving some webpages


 
Gang,
I'm in the process of switching ADSL provider these days. Installation is due
Wednesday, and by that time, all the pages currently at
http://home.online.no/~jooksne/ will disappear.

It's not much there, but my early comments on chromatic aberration with the
*istD and FA 100/2.8 macro are still seeing a couple of visitors a week, and
there's the PAWs and WOWs I have indulged into.

I will patch them up again at my domain address http://oksne.net/ but it will
probably not happen until after Easter. The just published PAW is at my domain
address, though.

Time to strap the Goggles, I'll be getting 1500 Kbit downstream, 512 Kbit
upstream. Wohoo!

Cheers,
Jostein

-



Re: Jostein's 3rd PAW:

2004-03-28 Thread Jostein
Thanks, mate.
Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Jostein's 3rd PAW:


> 
> >http://oksne.net/paw/paw3.html
> >
> >I'm behind schedule to post once a week, but I do my best..:-)
> >
> >This will be the last lighthouse image from me for a while.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jostein
> 
> Simply beautiful
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
> 
> 



Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread Jostein

From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> ah, yes - a famous supplier to the meat pie trade. Of course, nobody
> with a degree would ever cut a customer's throat, would they?

I think it was the meat trade they wished to stop...

Jostein



RE: My first PAW

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Kevin,

Well, I already commented on PAW 2 (the sequel), so I should really comment 
on this one, eh?

I like it.  I've read the other comments already, and I have to say, I like 
the building right where it is.  I wouldn't really want to stick it dead 
centre, 'cause that would be boring, and dropping it any lower (to get more 
sky), would make you lose too much swampy grass, or whatever that is.

Nope, I like it the way it is.

Interesting shot. What is it about abandonned buildings that intrigues us 
so?  I think they're kind of scary/spooky, but still pretty cool to look at 
from a distance.  You really did a good job of capturing this one's 
"personality" (that may make no sense, but it's the best word I can think of 
for now)

Nice one!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Kevin Thornsberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "PDML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: My first PAW
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:19:25 -0600
I am posting this purely for the purpose of receiving critique.  I am 
hoping for
lots of suggestions.

I know some others have posted similar PAWs recently but this old house (or
could be a fishing camp) has caught my eye many times while traveling 
coastal
Louisiana and I finally took my camera along.

http://thornsberry.smugmug.com/gallery/64097/1/3095034/Medium

Before posting this picture I

1) rotated it to keep the water from running out into your monitors
2) cropped it to my liking
3) Made some very minor brightness/contrast adjustments
Concerning the rotating, I have been having trouble lately with taking 
slanted
pictures.  I never  used to have this problem.  Any suggestions?

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RE: Jostein's 3rd PAW:

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
Another gorgeous lighthouse, Jostein.

I won't analyse this one, I'll just leave it at that.  The photo speaks for 
itself.

Beautiful!!

thanks,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Jostein's 3rd PAW:
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:12:20 +0200
http://oksne.net/paw/paw3.html

I'm behind schedule to post once a week, but I do my best..:-)

This will be the last lighthouse image from me for a while.

Cheers,
Jostein
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RE: First Birthday_paw week something

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
That's a sweet shot, Dave.

Definitely more than an ordinary everyday piccie made by someone's grandma 
on a p&s at grandchild's first b-day party, that's for sure.

You really captured the joy on both faces.  I like the pose.  Did you tell 
them to do that, or did you just catch it that way?  Makes for an 
interesting shot, one way or the other.

I like it!!

BTW, that coach looks real familiar.  Does she work or live in Toronto?  I 
just get the feeling I've seen her...

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: First Birthday_paw week something
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:37:44 US/Eastern
  	http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2239734

One of the good ones from Saturdays BD party.D2h and SB80DX flash with 
diffuser.Shot in Av
with
flash on bounce and AA setting,no comp.
Minor tweak in PS.For some reason they all were about 1/3-top under and 
with a goldish
tinge.The walls
were a yellowy colour so it may be from the bouncing light.

Enjoy.

Comments welcome

Dave


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Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread P Kong
At 01:56 PM 3/28/2004, you wrote:
"The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" By Stephen Sondheim
Ahhh, the memories of my last high school musical program. The outfits & 
make up were truly grusome.

Pat in SF



Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?

2004-03-28 Thread Herb Chong
i have had the Digital Rebel manual for a while because i wanted to see
exactly what was different between it and the 10D.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?


> with the self timer enabled, it doesn't focus until the timer ends.
>
> Herb...
> 
> Aha. All is explained.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-) :-) :-)




Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:01:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Marnie...

I have one I might be persuaded to part with, in case you ever get the 
urge again...  

keith whaley

LOL!

I gotta to admit, except for film load, an all manual camera has a lot of 
appeal.

Marnie aka Doe  But a DSLR appeals more. ;-)



Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley
Hi Marnie...

I have one I might be persuaded to part with, in case you ever get the 
urge again...  

keith whaley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:41:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago and
STILL HAS IT.  


Actually, tons of people who bought them sold them. And people who have 
bought them more recently, for photography classes usually, turn around after the 
classes and sell them. And move on to something else, usually another camera 
brand, as well. Else they would all be on this list. :-)

Marnie aka Doe  I'm just glad I sold my K-1000 on ebay before DSLRs really 
took off.






OT - WTB - Hinged lens cap for...

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley
...Yashica-44 TLR.

Built exactly like Rollei, except 4x4cm film.

I'd appreciate a lead on a potential source.

Thanks,

keith whaley



Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> BobW wrote: 
>> What - you need a degree to be a barber?!

> Yes. It all started after the incidents in Fleet Street. :-)

> Jostein
> --
> Come on, you can't stop the story there.

“Attend the tale of Sweeney Todd
His skin was pale and his eye was odd
He shaved the faces of gentlemen
Who never thereafter were heard of again
He trod a path that few have trod
Did Sweeney Todd
The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.”

“The Ballad of Sweeney Todd” By Stephen Sondheim

The true story:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial9/sweeney/


-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:41:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago and
> STILL HAS IT.  

Actually, tons of people who bought them sold them. And people who have 
bought them more recently, for photography classes usually, turn around after the 
classes and sell them. And move on to something else, usually another camera 
brand, as well. Else they would all be on this list. :-)

Marnie aka Doe  I'm just glad I sold my K-1000 on ebay before DSLRs really 
took off.



Re: Jostein's 3rd PAW:

2004-03-28 Thread Cotty

>http://oksne.net/paw/paw3.html
>
>I'm behind schedule to post once a week, but I do my best..:-)
>
>This will be the last lighthouse image from me for a while.
>
>Cheers,
>Jostein

Simply beautiful


Cheers,
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OT: Medium Format Presentation Slide Mounts

2004-03-28 Thread Paul Jones
Hi,

I have some medium format slides that i need to mount, i bought some 
black presentation  mounts, they are made of poly plastic with a window 
in the centre to see the slide and come with a clear acrylic sleeve.

So my question is how do i actualy mount them to the black part? sticky 
tape or something similar?

Thanks,
Paul Jones


Re: Computer Question

2004-03-28 Thread Bill D. Casselberry
Cotty wrote:
 
> Thanks Tom. I finally understand.

Sounds sorta like only C/: can have the blessed folder

;^)   Bill

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Re: What is the *stD's shutter lag?

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:38:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
with the self timer enabled, it doesn't focus until the timer ends.

Herb...

Aha. All is explained.

Marnie aka Doe :-) :-) :-)



Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:26:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
BobW wrote: 
> What - you need a degree to be a barber?!

Yes. It all started after the incidents in Fleet Street. :-)

Jostein
--
Come on, you can't stop the story there.

Marnie aka Doe :-)



Jostein's 3rd PAW:

2004-03-28 Thread Jostein
http://oksne.net/paw/paw3.html

I'm behind schedule to post once a week, but I do my best..:-)

This will be the last lighthouse image from me for a while.

Cheers,
Jostein

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RE: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> What's a reasonable price range in the US for a portrait 
> sitting ("on location"; I don't have a studio set up).

Try and estimate how much film you might shoot in an hour, figure out how
much it will cost to buy and process. Add in an hourly wage and a bit for
overhead. That's your hourly rate.

$100/hour would be a reasonable starting point around here.

tv



RE: Sydney International PDML meet

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
Chris,

These shots have a certain voyeuristic quality that I find disquieting...

Oops, wrong post.

Seriously, it's great to see all the faces of folks that I chat with here.  
Stan I've met (once), and will meet again at GFM, but I've never met the 
lovely Mrs. Stan, and of course all you loonie Aussies.

Glad you had a great time.  My experience with meeting what's now amounting 
to quite a few PDMLers, is that the conversation never lags, there's always 
cameras and Pentaxes to talk about if it does, and as a last resort, we can 
whip out our portfolios.  Without exception, every list member that I've met 
has been wonderful - okay, except Dave Brooks, who's a bit odd, really 
(joking, Dave ).

Thanks again for the pix and the report!

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sydney International PDML meet
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:57:16 +1000
Well here they are ,hot off the press(*istD),the first photos of our get
together in Sydney Sunday Night.Rob S.and Stan Halpin will probably post
better shots,these were taken by the waiter.In attendance were Ger and Rob
Studdert,Stan and Meg Halpin,Chris Kennedy(moi)and Marika and David
Nelson.Altough it was a small turnout it wasanextremely enjoyable one with
the seafood at Doyles up to scratch.Stan and Meg seemed quite sprightly
considering they had been traipsing around Sydney for two days following a
long journey over.They brought the good weather over with them and we hope
it continues for them as they are a delightful couple and most welcome
here.We all were meeting for the first time (Except partners of course.)and
hit it off well.Remarkable when you have a commonality.There were three
*istD's in evidence and all were used.No doubt to be posted later.
Check out the attendees:
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362425
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362433
http://www.pbase.com/image/27362482
We all look forward to the next one with a (hopefully)larger turnout.Mr.
Farrs apologies in advance accepted.
Regards Chris Kennedy

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Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread Bob W
Hi,

> But, then a surgeon was a guy with a very sharp knife, usually the local
> barber, that is what the red (blood) and white pole indicated. Then the 
> Universities got into the act...

What - you need a degree to be a barber?!

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph

2004-03-28 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Boris,

Thanks for your candor, and your thoughtful comments.

If everyone liked the same stuff, it wouldn't be a very interesting world, 
would it?  Besides, I know you didn't say you didn't like it, just that it 
didn't work for you.  I know what you mean.  Sometimes it's hard to 
articulate something emotional, or how something makes us feel.

I would have preferred the crop to be not so tight, too.  But, I didn't have 
much space below the bike to work with.  On the neg, the bike is dead 
centre, which I didn't like, so I took out dead space on the right to make 
it more pleasing to my eye, but to me it's still not perfect.

Here's the full frame:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2241649

If you want to take a shot at cropping it, go ahead.  Same thing for 
everyone else.  Sort of a mini-WOW.  I'd be interested to see what other 
people come up with.  I don't think I'm very good at it, myself - I do try 
to crop in the viewfinder, and I think I'm not bad at that, but if I'm 
forced to do it after the fact, I always have misgivings.

Thanks again for your comments, Boris.  I'm always very interested to hear 
what you say.

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist 
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:00:38 +0200
Frank,

As usual, I am going to be honest here...

The elements are here. The car, the motion blur, the tones... But it
does not click together in my head/eye/mind/etc...
May be it is too tight or may be the pattern on the bottom left
contradicts the overall direction of motion... I don't know. I cannot
put my finger at something that does not work for me...
Sorry, if I don't make much sense here...

Boris
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Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley
Thank you. I suspected as much...
I'm very aware of image.
You don't get to my age, having had so many jobs as I've had when 
dealing with the public, without becoming keenly aware of what flies and 
what doesn't...

I agree with you.  keith

graywolf wrote:

Small black cameras do not have the psychological impact with 
photographers's customers that big black cameras do. To a very large 
percent of the population's minds "big black camera" and "pro" are 
synonymous.

You can not imagine the utter respect that carrying a black Mamiya 
Universal Press camera (very bulky) generated for me. I probably would 
not have realized exactly what was happening except way back in 61-62 my 
very first potential wedding customer did not hire me because he wanted, 
"A real pro, someone with a big black camera". Of course back then he 
meant a Speed Graphic, but I have noticed the syndrome again and again 
over the years.

You better believe that Nikon and Canon know this, and it is why their 
top end cameras are 1/2 again as large as they need to be.

So as a pro camera, yes the small size is a fault. As a user's camera, 
no it is not, in fact it is a major benefit.

--

Keith Whaley wrote:

graywolf wrote:

Very true, Mark. Also many used MF because pro's were expected to use 
BBC's (Big Black Cameras). In this day and age a DSLR is a BBC to 
most of their customers. The *istD has a major faults. It is small.
--
[...]

Two disparate comments.

What do you call one or more of the *istD's major faults, and DO you 
actually number the small size among them?

keith whaley




RE: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Jens Bladt
Hmmm...I just hope they will keep on making 120-film for quite some time.
And 35mm as well :-)
This is why I was enquiring about figures for film sales earlier.
Jens

Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
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Emne: Re: DSLR sales


> > With all the Digital Rebels and other Canons and Nikon DSLRs out
> > there, you'd think I'd be seeing them out and about.  I was walking

1) The numbers somebody posted said that in the last couple of years all
the companies had sold something like 1.5 to 2 million DSLRs total, most
of them to pros.  Look at the pro photojournalists at any major event and
you will see a lot of DSLRs (and no film ones).  I do see D100s and
digital rebels in my beat where rich parents who are sort of serious
about photography buy them to photograph their children.  Then they go and
put Tamron 28-200 lenses on them...

2) Pentax made a about five million spotmatics, plus another bazillion
ME supers, Super Programes, and K1000s.  All the other companies likewise
have produced millions of film SLRs since the 1950s.  That leaves an awful
lot of film SLRs still in service.  Plenty of people haven't replaced
their newer film SLRs let alone their older ones.  DSLRs may be all the
rage, but they are still not very common, and probably won't be for a
while due to the expense.  There aren't a lot of Nikon F100s, Canon
EOS-3s, or Pentax MZ-Ss out there either (besides the ones pros use)
because of the expense.  Realistically 2 million DSLRs (many of which have
since died, too, since photo-J is hard on cameras) spread over the whole
world is not a lot.

> > How many did they SELL?  Last I looked you could still buy NEW Nikon
F3s,
> > but I doubt they have been manufactured in recent years.  Perhaps they
are
> > all held by dealers and are counted as "sold" by the manufacturers.
>
> if they don't sell 95-99% of what they make, they are going to be out of
> business very quickly. new F3s were sold already to a dealer who then has
> the problem of selling. that's a sold camera and revenue to Nikon.

I got the distinct impression that Nikon had made PARTS for an awful lot
of F3s because they were selling an awful lot of them to pros.  At some
point, they noticed AF cameras causing a drop in F3 sales and stopped the
production line, simply assembling the heap of F3 parts to meet demand.
It would seem to make sense on a low volume product to make a given number
all at once and then retool for a new design rather than maintaining a
production facility to make a handful a year.

> the average shooter will have nothing to do with a K1000. all-manual means
> that if they did somehow buy it without having to take a photography
course

My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago and
STILL HAS IT.  They still work as well as they ever did.
There are a lot more people in the K1000 market niche than
the LX market niche, and those folks are not going to run out and buy a
$1350 DSLR.  They're going to get a digital P&S.  Remember that P&S was
really lousy until fairly recently, so anybody mildly serious got an SLR.
This is no longer the case.

> it would be unused after the first two or three rolls of film. low end
film
> SLR sales probably have plunged to near nothing.

I suspect exactly the opposite is true.  Canon and Nikon have not
introduced a new high-end film SLR in years, but they are working very
hard to capture the low-end market with a lot of new, cheap models.
Look at the Canon Rebel (the best selling film SLR, I believe) and Digital
Rebel and tell me that the companies aren't doing their damnedest to make
them even flimsier, cheesier, and cheaper.  Again, a lot more people will
buy a $150 camera than a $1500 one.  OTOH the $800-1000 semi-pro film SLRs
are probably a lot less tempting to "advanced amateurs" these days than a
cheap DSLR.  If Nikon and Canon together have sold a dozen F5/EOS1V
cameras this year I'd be surprised.  Nikon has said that they will not
make another "pro" film SLR (everyone buys F100s, or D1s).

> > Interesting numbers, although I wonder if they are a "one-time" thing.
> > The market is flooded with used film cameras, and most photographers
> > probably have a film camera.  Eventually, most folks who want a digital
> > camera may have one, and the sales of digital may taper off.  I've seen
> > DSLRs penetrating into the lowest levels of the professional market
> > locally.  Eventually, there will be a noticeable number of used DSLRs,
> > too.
>
> it is a one time thing, but any manufacturer who is not part of it in the
> next two years it won't be there at all. i figure in 3 years at most, the
> serious amateur and pro DSLR market will be saturated

Not quite.  All the guys who now have EOS1s will have to upgrade to the
EOS1mark12s with 16MP sensors and 15 fps, as will all the guys w

Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Small black cameras do not have the psychological impact with photographers's 
customers that big black cameras do. To a very large percent of the population's 
minds "big black camera" and "pro" are synonymous.

You can not imagine the utter respect that carrying a black Mamiya Universal 
Press camera (very bulky) generated for me. I probably would not have realized 
exactly what was happening except way back in 61-62 my very first potential 
wedding customer did not hire me because he wanted, "A real pro, someone with a 
big black camera". Of course back then he meant a Speed Graphic, but I have 
noticed the syndrome again and again over the years.

You better believe that Nikon and Canon know this, and it is why their top end 
cameras are 1/2 again as large as they need to be.

So as a pro camera, yes the small size is a fault. As a user's camera, no it is 
not, in fact it is a major benefit.

--

Keith Whaley wrote:


graywolf wrote:

Very true, Mark. Also many used MF because pro's were expected to use 
BBC's (Big Black Cameras). In this day and age a DSLR is a BBC to most 
of their customers. The *istD has a major faults. It is small.
--


[...]

Two disparate comments.

What do you call one or more of the *istD's major faults, and DO you 
actually number the small size among them?

keith whaley


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html




Re: Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 13:05 2004.03.28 -0500, you wrote:
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:36:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What's a reasonable price range in the US for a portrait
sitting ("on location"; I don't have a studio set up).
I'm about to go STFW, but figured I'd ask here at the same
time.  I know there are too many variables to just ask
"what should I charge", but I'm looking for enough of a
clue that I won't be asking something completely outrageous,
nor selling myself short and seriously undercutting the
market.
-- Glenn
$50 to $75 for the sitting + any extensive travel expenses.
Don't forget that you may be carrying a lot of equipment
and the expenditure of time & energy is greater.
Plus, if you don't shoot for a living, your personal time
is being sold.  Make it worth your while.
And have fun.

Collin



Re: PAW #5 - Sludd

2004-03-28 Thread Dag T
På 28. mar. 2004 kl. 19.48 skrev Boris Liberman:

DT> which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow:
DT> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042&size=lg
"Mokryj Sneg" - "Wet Snow" is the Russian term.
Sounds wet, even in Russian.  Dry snow is nice, you can brush it off 
before entering a house, rain is OK, a good coat can handle it, but 
"sludd" is like rain with some glue on it.  It sticks to the surface 
long enough to let the water penetrate almost anything... :-)

Everything is moving in this photograph. The snow, the rain (the
sludd?! ), the people, the photographer himself...
Thanks, that was what I was trying to tell...

This is high fidelity image, if you know what I mean. I almost want to
run for a rain coat...
I´m not sure if I know what you mean, but I consider it a compliment :-)

So, how you *istD came out of this experience?
It handled it OK, even though it got a bit wet.  Thanks to its small 
size and low weight (with a 50mm 1.4 attached to it) I managed to hold 
an umbrella as well

DagT



Re: all about the glass

2004-03-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt"
Subject: RE: all about the glass


> In the days of no digital photogrphy, the lenses would set the
limits to
> resolution, sice film can resolve more than 100 lp/mm. Not many
lenses can.
> Today, as digital technology gain market shares, the sensors seem
to be
> setting the limits to resolution. The sensors cannot yet utilize
very high
> quality lenses. The sensor technology still have to develop further
in orfer
> to reach 100 lp/mm, or whatever is equals 35mm negatives (3600
linepars
> across the long side of the image = 3x3600 = 10.800 pixel). This
should
> mean, that in digital photography - it's all about the sensors, not
the
> glass!

This debate, of course, ignores all lens qualities other than
resolution, and has to ignore resolution vs. subject contrast to
work.

Since you cannot ignore subject contrast when discussing film and
lens resolution, the numbers stated are deceiving.
Pray tell, what film can resolve more than 100 lp/mm?
I haven't found one yet that will do it without the help of a 1000:1
target.
Velvia 50 does 80, I expect that's about as good as it gets, maybe
Tech Pan can do a bit better, but it's not well suited to colour
photography.
Lenses, OTOH, when used for pictorial purposes, don't usually get
much more than 60 lp/mm resolution.

One thing I have never seen answered definitively is this:

Do digital sensors also lose resolution as measured in lp/mm when
subject contrast drops?
And if so, by how much?

It seems to me that sensors wouldn't be as sensitive to subject
contrast, but I don't know for sure.
Anyone?

I believe Rob calculated the istD sensor resolution to be somewhere
around 43 lp/mm or some such.
If sensor resolution can be brought up to 60 lp/mm and made full
frame, then you are pretty much at a film equivalent for raw
resolution, and have a tremendous advantage over film WRT
granularity.

This takes the lenses out of the equation, and ignores colour
aberrations.
No comparison is really perfect.

William Robb







Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography"
Subject: RE: OT - A computer Question...


 how can you tell when PS is using the scratch file?

The hard drive runs pretty much continuously.

William Robb



shutter lag

2004-03-28 Thread edwin

Somebody, perhaps Marnie, was asking about a 300D which was experiencing
an "8-9" second shutter lag.  I hope this is a mistype!  I didn't 
originally think much of it because I wouldn't expect much of a camera
like the 300D.

Then it occured to me, if 8-9 seconds rather than .8-.9 seconds is
what was meant, that you could shoot the equivalent of TWO ENTIRE
ROLLS through an EOS1Dmk2 in that time.  Even at .9 seconds you could
get 6-7 frames off.  The shutter lag in pro DSLRs is down to substantially 
under 100ms according to the manufacturers.  If they could only make a 
little better pellicule mirror there would be nothing really stopping them 
from a 15fps DSLR, especially if somebody figures out how to get the 
shutter out of the loop too.

On the "all about the glass" topic, I know a number of action shooters 
who switched from Nikon to Canon primarily because of the extra frame 
rate.  One of my buddies tells me that he "always gets the ball in the 
picture" now at 8fps.  Canon glass isn't bad, but increasingly I think 
that it's all about the cameras.  Hopefully that'll help the *istD which
is a good camera for its price class.

DJE



Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread edwin
> > With all the Digital Rebels and other Canons and Nikon DSLRs out
> > there, you'd think I'd be seeing them out and about.  I was walking

1) The numbers somebody posted said that in the last couple of years all 
the companies had sold something like 1.5 to 2 million DSLRs total, most 
of them to pros.  Look at the pro photojournalists at any major event and 
you will see a lot of DSLRs (and no film ones).  I do see D100s and 
digital rebels in my beat where rich parents who are sort of serious
about photography buy them to photograph their children.  Then they go and 
put Tamron 28-200 lenses on them...

2) Pentax made a about five million spotmatics, plus another bazillion
ME supers, Super Programes, and K1000s.  All the other companies likewise
have produced millions of film SLRs since the 1950s.  That leaves an awful
lot of film SLRs still in service.  Plenty of people haven't replaced 
their newer film SLRs let alone their older ones.  DSLRs may be all the 
rage, but they are still not very common, and probably won't be for a 
while due to the expense.  There aren't a lot of Nikon F100s, Canon 
EOS-3s, or Pentax MZ-Ss out there either (besides the ones pros use)
because of the expense.  Realistically 2 million DSLRs (many of which have 
since died, too, since photo-J is hard on cameras) spread over the whole 
world is not a lot.

> > How many did they SELL?  Last I looked you could still buy NEW Nikon F3s,
> > but I doubt they have been manufactured in recent years.  Perhaps they are
> > all held by dealers and are counted as "sold" by the manufacturers.
> 
> if they don't sell 95-99% of what they make, they are going to be out of
> business very quickly. new F3s were sold already to a dealer who then has
> the problem of selling. that's a sold camera and revenue to Nikon.

I got the distinct impression that Nikon had made PARTS for an awful lot 
of F3s because they were selling an awful lot of them to pros.  At some 
point, they noticed AF cameras causing a drop in F3 sales and stopped the 
production line, simply assembling the heap of F3 parts to meet demand.
It would seem to make sense on a low volume product to make a given number 
all at once and then retool for a new design rather than maintaining a 
production facility to make a handful a year.

> the average shooter will have nothing to do with a K1000. all-manual means
> that if they did somehow buy it without having to take a photography course

My point is that the average shooter probably bought a K1000 years ago and
STILL HAS IT.  They still work as well as they ever did.  
There are a lot more people in the K1000 market niche than 
the LX market niche, and those folks are not going to run out and buy a 
$1350 DSLR.  They're going to get a digital P&S.  Remember that P&S was
really lousy until fairly recently, so anybody mildly serious got an SLR.
This is no longer the case. 

> it would be unused after the first two or three rolls of film. low end film
> SLR sales probably have plunged to near nothing.

I suspect exactly the opposite is true.  Canon and Nikon have not 
introduced a new high-end film SLR in years, but they are working very 
hard to capture the low-end market with a lot of new, cheap models.
Look at the Canon Rebel (the best selling film SLR, I believe) and Digital 
Rebel and tell me that the companies aren't doing their damnedest to make
them even flimsier, cheesier, and cheaper.  Again, a lot more people will
buy a $150 camera than a $1500 one.  OTOH the $800-1000 semi-pro film SLRs
are probably a lot less tempting to "advanced amateurs" these days than a 
cheap DSLR.  If Nikon and Canon together have sold a dozen F5/EOS1V 
cameras this year I'd be surprised.  Nikon has said that they will not 
make another "pro" film SLR (everyone buys F100s, or D1s).

> > Interesting numbers, although I wonder if they are a "one-time" thing.
> > The market is flooded with used film cameras, and most photographers
> > probably have a film camera.  Eventually, most folks who want a digital
> > camera may have one, and the sales of digital may taper off.  I've seen
> > DSLRs penetrating into the lowest levels of the professional market
> > locally.  Eventually, there will be a noticeable number of used DSLRs,
> > too.
> 
> it is a one time thing, but any manufacturer who is not part of it in the
> next two years it won't be there at all. i figure in 3 years at most, the
> serious amateur and pro DSLR market will be saturated

Not quite.  All the guys who now have EOS1s will have to upgrade to the 
EOS1mark12s with 16MP sensors and 15 fps, as will all the guys with Nikon
DSLRs.  Technology is moving faster, and it doesn't seem to be the case 
that a company can put out one pro SLR every 10 years any more.
Last I looked, the St. Paul Pioneer Press, a large daily, was still using
original D1s.  Most companies budget for replacements every 3-4 years, 
which leaves a lot of companies still waiting to buy this year's model.
In 3-4 years, of

Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley


graywolf wrote:

Very true, Mark. Also many used MF because pro's were expected to use 
BBC's (Big Black Cameras). In this day and age a DSLR is a BBC to most 
of their customers. The *istD has a major faults. It is small.
--
[...]

Two disparate comments.

What do you call one or more of the *istD's major faults, and DO you 
actually number the small size among them?

keith whaley



Re: Wideangle lens choice

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
See correction below:

graywolf wrote:

AFAIK the filter glass is computed into the lens formula. That would 
mean replacing the filters with gels would not be a good idea.
   ^^
--

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: Wideangle lens choice



Anyone aver heard of a repair shop replacing these filters as a


custom

job? I'd readily replace the Y2 and O2 with, say, an 81A and 81B if


it

were possible... and if I could afford the undoubtedly great


expense of

doing so!


I also wonder about the possibility of putting gel filters on the
rear of the lens.
I should have mine in a month or so, and will be exploring these
possibilities.
The colour filters are pretty useless for me as well, since I rarely
shoot black and white with the pee-wee format.
William Robb




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FS: Pentax Products

2004-03-28 Thread Kenneth Waller
An good acquaintance of mine has the following 35mm lens he's looking to
sell.
If interested, contact me off list.

SMCP-A 400mm f2.8 ED IF, new in box.

Kenneth Waller



Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Frank,

As usual, I am going to be honest here...

The elements are here. The car, the motion blur, the tones... But it
does not click together in my head/eye/mind/etc...

May be it is too tight or may be the pattern on the bottom left
contradicts the overall direction of motion... I don't know. I cannot
put my finger at something that does not work for me...

Sorry, if I don't make much sense here...

Boris
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Re: PAW- Eagle Harbour Lighthouse-Wk of 3/22/04

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Ken, this is very emotional picture. At least to me.

I have one minor gripe. How to put it - the tone of the sky is too
similar to tone of water. It feels almost as if there is a blue cast
here...

I rather like the lighthouse being put into the corner - it gives more
space to what light shines upon...

Well, my wife tells me that the monotone character of the image is the
whole point - the light shines through the monotone...

Well, now you have two opinions in one package...



Boris
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Re: PAW - Mexican Girl

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Shel, my first and immediate reaction was "Poor baby girl"... Actually
the man on the background (the one that has his back turned to us)
adds to the overall sense of poverty...

The more I look at the picture the more my first reaction get
stronger...

Perhaps I am misreading this photo, but nonetheless this is what I
have to say.

Thanks for sharing!

Boris
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Re: PAW: Rainy day

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

BA> As the photo was taken shortly after the rain, the driver had no
BA> reason to use the wiper blades... As you say this, I realize it would
BA> be fine, but I didn't had that in mind when I took the photo. I almost
BA> depressed the shutter when I heard the car coming, and waited a sec...
BA> it was a quick decision, not much time for thinking:)

It happens to me all the time too. I press the shutter and only then I
actually see the better shot but it is too late almost always...

Still, I like the uncropped one better ...

Stubborn me.

Boris
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Re: PAW #5 - Sludd

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

DT> which is the Norwegian word for a pleasant mix of rain and snow:
DT> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2231042&size=lg

"Mokryj Sneg" - "Wet Snow" is the Russian term.

Everything is moving in this photograph. The snow, the rain (the
sludd?! ), the people, the photographer himself...

This is high fidelity image, if you know what I mean. I almost want to
run for a rain coat...

So, how you *istD came out of this experience?

Boris
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Re: PAW3 - ice cream cone

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Rac> To those of you with young children, enjoy them, take lots
Rac> of photos, and keep even the not so good ones.  They will make
Rac> you smile later.

Roger that ...

This is very lovely picture. Very lively too, I might add.

I like the expression and just a trace of her teeth. The more I look
at her the more I want to smile back...

Lovely and lively!

Boris
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Quick Pricing Question

2004-03-28 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
What's a reasonable price range in the US for a portrait
sitting ("on location"; I don't have a studio set up).
I'm about to go STFW, but figured I'd ask here at the same
time.  I know there are too many variables to just ask
"what should I charge", but I'm looking for enough of a 
clue that I won't be asking something completely outrageous,
nor selling myself short and seriously undercutting the
market.

-- Glenn



Re: PAW Week 5

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I first clicked on the link and then thought to myself - good PS work.
But then I read the story.

You're a lucky man, Peter. This is a shot that many air-addicted 
people would like...

It is by all means excellent.

Boris
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Re: PAW: More Cows

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Steve, it is a little hard to explain, but I think that b/w version is
actually closer to my taste... The lines, the geometry is better seen
this way and somehow I'd say this one rather works for me...

Just my pixels...

Boris
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Re: First Birthday_paw week something

2004-03-28 Thread Kenneth Waller
Dave, very cute & well done. But you gotta do sumthin about the tilt 
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: First Birthday_paw week something


>
>   http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2239734
>
> One of the good ones from Saturdays BD party.D2h and SB80DX flash with
diffuser.Shot in Av
> with
> flash on bounce and AA setting,no comp.
> Minor tweak in PS.For some reason they all were about 1/3-top under and
with a goldish
> tinge.The walls
> were a yellowy colour so it may be from the bouncing light.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Comments welcome
>
> Dave
>
>



Re: PAW - Zion National Park

2004-03-28 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Larry, all that I can produce is words of appreciation and awe...

I can produce a question/request though - mind if I ask you to share
with us, mere mortals , some basic key points of the stitching
technique you use?

Thanks.

Boris
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Re: DSLR sales

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Very true, Mark. Also many used MF because pro's were expected to use BBC's (Big 
Black Cameras). In this day and age a DSLR is a BBC to most of their customers. 
The *istD has a major faults. It is small.
--

Mark Roberts wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Does this mean that pros are abandoning MF in droves?  


My sources in the photo retail business say that medium format sales are
just about dead.
I observed some time ago that many professionals who use/used medium
format didn't do so for the increased resolution necessary for large
prints, they did it to be able to make moderate sized prints (8 x 10 or
11 x 14) with ISO 800 or 1600 film without grain becoming objectionable
(as it does with 35mm film). For this application 6MP digital works just
as well - for less money and greater convenience. Of course there are
some applications for which the bigger neg and superior resolution of
medium format really are indispensable, but this is a relatively small
segment of the market (which is dominated by wedding shooters in terms
of sheer numbers), and most of these guys already own MF cameras :)
I'd also note that medium format cameras are generally built to pro
standards and are very durable, so they last longer and are readily
available in good condition on the second-hand market.
The market for MF is tiny these days.

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Re: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Seems like an intermediate approach. In the USA back in the 1800's there were no 
formal requirements. You read law (Blackstone mostly) then went a took your bar 
exam. But, then a surgeon was a guy with a very sharp knife, usually the local 
barber, that is what the red (blood) and white pole indicated. Then the 
Universities got into the act...

--

frank theriault wrote:

Hi,

Well, first of all, please understand that it really makes no difference 
to me if I can still call myself a lawyer or not.  I haven't practised 
in 8 years, and I have no intention of practising again.  Nor do I have 
the intention of using my law degree in the future (at least not 
directly).  So, 't'is no big deal at all.

But, as I understand it, a lawyer is one who has had the degree of law 
conferred upon them.  It's the degree that gives one the title, not the 
practise.

In order to practise law, I must be a barrister and solicitor, which I'm 
no longer.

I think it's like a PhD.  Once the degree is conferred, that person is a 
doctor for the rest of their life.

In the case of your father, well, that's a throwback to the "old days" 
(no insult to him intended), back before law schools were formalized to 
the extent that they are today.  Lawyers became lawyers basically by 
apprenticing with an established lawyer.  The remnant of that is seen in 
today's articling system for lawyers.  So, perhaps in your part of the 
US, at that time, there was more or less a "hybrid" system.  You could 
go to law school to become a lawyer.  Or, you could do it "the old 
fashioned way", and apprentice to become a lawyer.

Of course, I could be wrong, and I invite someone with better 
information than me to enlighten us all (with appropriate authorities 
and references, of course ).

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT -- Lawyers, seriously; formerly Re: something weird...
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:35:26 CST
frank said:
> I was about to say "was".  As in I "was" a lawyer.  But, really, I 
still am
> one. (scary thought, eh?)  It's a degree that's been conferred upon 
me, so
> as long as I can still put the letters LLB behind my name, I'm a 
lawyer.
> Just a "non-practicing" lawyer.

frank, if you aren't -- or, to be safer by being not so personal, 
"someone
isn't" -- currently licensed to practice law, or a member of the 
relevant Bar,
or whatever confers the right to practice law, but has the degree, 
would that
not make you or the hypothetical someone a "person with a law degree" 
rather
than a "lawyer"? Just wondering. It's a usage question, not a legal 
one. :-)

(If you think it's a legal question, I guess I could ask my father, 
who *is* a
practicing lawyer, but then that opens another can of confusion-worms 
since he
does not have a law degree. He's a relic of the old articled-clerk
system.)

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Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Well, you did forget to mention that such a letter may have no legality at all. 
As you basically said in a previous post, lawyers are very good at bluffing. In 
fact that is what that text which worried Tan was, isn't it?

--

frank theriault wrote:

Right you are, Keith,

Just the logistics alone would cost way way more than it's worth.

There would be US lawyers, Oz lawyers, there'd be documents flying back 
and forth (literally).

The question of jurisdiction alone would make your head swim.  Usually a 
law suit occurs when the injury-causing action took place.  Where would 
it be here?  The original e-mail came from the US, but the "offensive" 
one, was sent out from Oz, and received (that's where any injury to 
reputation actually occurred, right, when it was received?) around the 
world.

So, before they could even have a trial, Tan's lawyers would argue that 
Oz is the appropriate forum, Max' Company's lawyers would say the US, 
and they'd be in court for weeks arguing that legal point alone.  Just 
to decide where the trial will take place.

Then, they'd go to trial.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees later...

And, you hit the nail square on the head in your last comment.  First 
thing would happen is a nasty letter from Max' co's lawyers saying, 
"cease and desist", and poor little Fairygirl, quaking in her boots, 
would send back a letter saying, "sorry", and that would be the end of 
it.  Of course it'll never get that far.

Anyway, my last word on this subject, barring any unforeseen subsequent 
posts .

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: something weird...
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:25:00 -0800
In my most humble and non-binding opinion, any such person in the U.S. 
would have a hell of a time sueing an Australian citizen!
In fact, it takes a whole lot more than just wanting to.
You have to have MONEY to sue. A lot of it. Or if you don't, an 
absolute certainty that you will prevail in any court action.
That in and of itself is uncertain, especially if you're dealing with 
a jury.
I most certainly would not hesitate to say or do anything that seems 
reasonable -- the law says "prudent" -- to you. If someone doesn't 
like it, it's their job to say so, and give you a chance to "cease and 
desist."

Your's is a non-worry, so far as I'm concerned...

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Re: Suggestion (humour)

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Color of the year house.

David Mann wrote:

On Mar 28, 2004, at 02:03, Steve Desjardins wrote:

BTW, I once saw a bumper sticker that said "Montana: First Line of
Defense Against Canada".


I saw a good one today.  "If you can read this, my caravan is missing!"

How about the green house? :)

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/


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Re: something weird...

2004-03-28 Thread graywolf
Come on now, he is rehabilitated. Just because I kid him a lot, does not mean we 
should hold his past against him. We should treat him just as we would an ex-con 
who has done his time, and not gotten in trouble again.

On the other hand, can't you just see him in a three piece suit, peddling his 
bicycle like mad, trying to catch up with an ambulance? LOL.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/27/2004 8:30:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Phew! Thanks Frank!  I was a bit worried about that - in Australia it is
generally thought that those in the US are extremely litigious (sic?), and
that it pays to be very careful...

tan.


Do bear in mind that frank is a lawyer.

Marnie aka Doe  So we are not sure we can believe what he says. ;-)


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Re: OT - A computer Question...

2004-03-28 Thread Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Mayer Photography" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: OT - A computer Question...


> Jostein, how can you tell when PS is using the scratch file?
> 
> tan.
> 

Um...
Distinctive grunts from the box...:-)

Jostein



Re: PAW - Blue Banded Bee on Fuscia

2004-03-28 Thread Keith Whaley


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 3/26/2004 11:37:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
G'day,
Took this photo a couple of weeks ago, but it was a little underexposed. 
Just played with it in photoshop (did a level adjustment, bit of a burn 
here and there...).  It's the Blue Banded Bee, Amegila bicingulatum, one 
of Australia's solitary native bees.

http://davidavid.whatsbeef.net/amegilaweb.jpg
Hi David,

Does that mean they do not live in hives, etc?
Never heard the term, and merely assume that's what it means...
keith whaley



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