date:20040909

The last couple of shots from the 35-85mm vivitar for now.
I decided to do a couple of self consciously artsy photos
so here they are.
Comments welcome.
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/Sandals.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/Footprints.html
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during
peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke

Counter point to "overpriced" 35mm f3.5

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3837084832
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Regular expression help - a simple filter - Argh!!!

2004-09-09 Thread Stuart Moore

I need help with a filter using a regular expression in v3. I have tried many many 
times and failed completely. I think I am following the rules but The Bat does not 
seem to follow them.I am not experienced in PERL so hope I am just being very ignorant.

I want to find any posts that have any of the following complete strings (case is not 
relevant):

*ist
*istd
*ist-d
ist
istd
ist-d

(In case you are wondering, the ist refers to a particular Pentax camera and I want to 
filter out messages about this camera from a broader mailing list.)

I do, of course, want to avoid matching on any longer words that have ist or istd in 
them (beginning, end or middle).

Firstly, searches on "message source" do not seem to work at all. Anything in the 
regular expression other than a simple string seems to cause no messages to be parsed. 
I have therefore had to use the same regular expression twice linked with an OR to 
search both "subject" and "text".

Secondly, many many attempts seem to fail if the string falls at the end of the 
subject line.

I thought something like this would do the job:

((?i)\b\*?istd?\b)

which seems to do the trick in The Regex Coach. (I note I can drop \* as the * marks a 
word boundary anyway.)

However, The Bat does not seem to like the (?i) construction so I have replaced this 
thus:

\b[iI][sS][tT][dD]?\b

Still very limited joy. A few messages are selected but nowhere near as many as should 
be. (I have about 6000 messages to search around 2000 of which should be targeted.)

Please can anyone point me in the right direction. I am getting very very frustrated 
and do not find The Bat's help at all useful. (It does not look like it has been 
updated for version 3 either.)

TIA.

-- 
Stuart  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

FS or FT Friday: *ist D (50th Anniv. ed. Gold. NIB)

Well, the listing didn't get any bites on eBay, probably because I started
it as my reserve instead of listing it with a reserve. Anyway, I just came
back from a store in the city which offered to sell it for me (no doubt at a
20% cut! No doubtedly a no.)

So I've decided to forget abandon the investment because I need to buy a
Sigma 70-200 2.8 and a Lexar 2gb 80x CF card pretty soon, so I'm letting it
go at cost. The body, very minty and very new in box with the accs it came
with,  manual and papers for USD1400 (excl shipping and insurance), or AUD
if in Australia.

Or, a partial trade for a used but exc+ Sigma 70-200 EX 2.8? Or a partial
trade for a used but exc Pentax FAJ 16-45 f4.

Here's a pic (lens not included!):
http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/imgp0243a.jpg

Please contact me offlist if you're interested! (or if you know anyone who
might be, or if you have a contact with the Japanese or collector market..)

Cheers,
Ryan

PS. Or it goes back to eBay, tradingpost or camera trader..

Re: We are the Borg

Where love equals nothing, cameras get designed like that.. The pre-Borg
Maxxums were pretty nifty though..

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: We are the Borg


> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:59:29 -0500, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > THAT is the ugliest camera I've ever seen!
> > YECH!
> >
> > Minolta, assimilate Konica.
> > Konica, assimilate Minolta.
>
> Here's the ~real~ Borg:
>
> http://www.bjornborg.20m.com/
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> -- 
> "It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
> as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt
>
>

Re: Canon users buy up stocks of high-end Pentax lenses (Was: Re: Come to papa........)

I'm just waiting for it! Never played with a 70-200 2.8L IS before ;) or a
1DmkII..

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Canon users buy up stocks of high-end Pentax lenses (Was: Re:
Come to papa)


> On 9/9/04, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Adaptors? Doesn't he rip off the lens mount and just fix on one of those
> >Borg Canon ones? Adaptor makes it sound so civil, surely not the right
term
> >for our barbaric Mr Cottrell. Jean Luc Picard indeed..
> >
> >;)
> >Ryan
>
>
> Watch it Lee or I'll assimilate you!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
>
>
>

Re: Hitachi 4Gb microdrive not working in *ist D

Yeah, but the thought of shooting 34 RAW shots on a 512, then having to
change cards.. so much for the digital no-more-film-loading advantage! I
think the 1GB cards are probably the most practical option, but I was still
thinking of the 2gb, not because I'm a gambler, but because I'm quite
confident in a reasonably big name like Lexar or Sandisk (though Lexar does
offer the WA 'technology'.. anyone compared it to normal CF cards?), and
wasn't he talking about his experience with rather dodgy cheap CF cards?
Also, I think babying my equipment counts for something too. Of course, if
something goes wrong, I'll let you reserve the right to go 'I told you so'.
:)

Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Hitachi 4Gb microdrive not working in *ist D


> On 9/9/04, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >(I've got my eye on a 2gb Lexar 80x, but I've got to
> >sell some stuff first..).
>
> I was doing some pricing up of CF cards and was planning to get a 2GB
> card. Then I read this:
>
> 
>
> Which did make me think. I've got a couple of 512k cards, both slow. I've
> just bought a Lexar 40X 1GB card. That'll do me for now
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>
>
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
>
>
>

RE: CR-V3 rechageables

2004-09-09 Thread Jens Bladt

This seems to be a very good idea, Herb - using NiMH (perhaps like 2300
mAh), and then keeping a set of CR-V3 as backup for emergencies only, since
they are quite expensive - app. 50 USD a pair - here.
The pair of CR-V3, that came with my camera, lasted app. 1250 shots. That's
not too bad.
All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. september 2004 01:18
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: CR-V3 rechageables


the four brands i saw used three different incompatible charging systems. i
am sticking with high capacity NiMH batteries for now with a pair of fresh
CR-V3 primary cells as backup.

Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:31 PM
Subject: CR-V3 rechageables


> Anyone tried to use CR-V3 rechargeables (1100mAh) in the *ist D?
> Are they  recommendable to use?

Re: Francis visits Boone -- PESO

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:04:46 -0400, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it help if I posted the link...?
> 
> http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/peso.html
> 
>  graywolf wrote:
> 
> > 1/2 dozen photos. Uncropped so Frank and Shel can criticize them (grin).
> >

Tom,

If anything I applaude the non-croppage of photos!!  Seriously, I like
the look of those photos, with the sprocket-holes visible.  Very cool.

The content of the photos is interesting, too, as a documentary of the
flooding of your area.  Man, it looks like you guys got hit real bad. 
What did you say, 3 days of rain?

We really lucked out.  Northern New York got hit bad, lots of
flooding, and Buffalo got a bit.  The the storm veered east, and
missed Toronto almost completely.  We got some winds and rain last
night and today, that was it.  Montreal got hit with a lot of flooding
and so did other parts of Quebec.  We got a heavy rain, no flooding,
lasted about 12 hours.

Looks like you guys are gonna be cleaning up for a while.

BTW, does that say MIA on the wing of that plane?  If so, what's it
mean?  I'm assuming nothing to do with Missing In Actions...

cheers,
frank
-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: PAW (s) from My New Toy

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:20:37 -0400, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The last couple of shots from the 35-85mm vivitar for now.
> I decided to do a couple of self consciously artsy photos
> so here they are.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/Sandals.html
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/Footprints.html

I like the Sandals one.  It's kinda cool.

The other one is not as interesting to me.  One can hardly see any
footprints.  MInd you, maybe that's the look you were going for. 
Still, I like #1 better.

Good stuff!

cheers,
frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: We are the Borg

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:59:29 -0500, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> THAT is the ugliest camera I've ever seen!
> YECH!
> 
> Minolta, assimilate Konica.
> Konica, assimilate Minolta.

Here's the ~real~ Borg:

http://www.bjornborg.20m.com/

cheers,
frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: PAW: The Roncesvalles Car

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:54:52 -0700, Bruce Dayton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It does seem like a shot that I would see in a train museum or
> something.  Kind of showing what it used to be like.  The lack of
> punch to the photo kind of gives the impression that it is old and
> represents something in the past.

Thanks, Bruce.

I think we did our last redesign of streetcars back in the 70's.  The
ones like in the photo aren't seen on the streets anymore, at least
not for commuter use.  They can actually be rented for parties or
special corporate functions, so I guess that's why the older ones are
still hanging around the yards.

Every so often one sees street cars of this vintage (I suspect it's
from the 50's or 60's) or sometimes an even older one from the 40's,
zipping around town.  That would be an interesting way to get to a
party...

Thanks for your comments - glad you enjoyed it.

cheers,
frank
> 

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

RE: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

-Original Message-
From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:16 PM

Hi,

>> There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
>> which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
>> London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
>> immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
>> some of our drinking water.

> I managed to fall in that, so I wouldn't drink too much of it.

They do say that all our drinking water has already been through at
least 7 people...

I suspect I have a cast iron stomach. Before my first trip to Ethiopia
I bought a water purifier, and memorised all the rules about being
careful what I drink, peeling fruit, not having ice in drinks, etc.
etc. Then I go and stay by the side of Lake Tana and start to clean my
teeth in tap water. When I look at it I see a lot of brown murk and
small living creatures. So I spit and spit, then follow the pipe out
of the building, and all the way into the lake. So now I've got a
stomach full of African lake.

I spent the next 10 days on the toilet*.

But since then I've been able to drink practically any water from any
source**, with no ill effects. It's great.

* I also lost an awful lot of weight. I'm sure there must be a million
to be made from writing "The Tana Diet", by Bill Hartsear.

** within reason. I wouldn't want to drink from another African lake.

--
Cheers,
 Bob

Bob,

I have had a strong stomach that I attribute to spending occasional summers
in Honduras - and off the beaten path.  I figure it had to come from
somewhere...

There were a couple of times that I realized after the fact, in both Mexico
and Honduras, that I had been given tap water the times I had asked for
water.  No problems either way.

Maybe it was eating dirt as a kid,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

RE: Lost Rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror)

-Original Message-
From: billy abbott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:22 PM

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Keith Whaley wrote:

> Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
>> Billy Abbott wrote on 09.09.04 16:57:
>>
>>> http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
>>>
>>> Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
>>> festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
>>> flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.
>
> Now it's _that_ I find hard to believe!
> Considering the labyrinth of modern to ancient passages of all manner
built
> under practically all of London, where would there be ROOM for a river?
> Now I'd love to hear more of that!  

A friend of mine has a book of walks called "Secret London"
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566565278) full of walks around
bits of London that even Londoners (and trainee Londoners such as myself
[6 years and counting]) have never really seen. Included in these are a
bunch of "lost" river walks - we wandered the route of the Tyburn from
marylebone->vauxhall, where we also found (on the other bank) the outfall
gate for the River Effra, which went south from the Thames.

These days it seems that the only people who really care that much about
the underground rivers are the tube engineers who keep getting flooded :)

My friend with the book, who is rather fond of organising things, is now
trying to find out if we can get a group together to be shown around
tunnels under London...we've tried and failed (but will keep trying) to
get london underground to show us around the abandoned "Down Street"
station, which was used as a bomb shelter for Churchill during the second
world war, and there seems to be loads more places we might be able to
wander around... (and take pictures of course)

I also found this bit of news off Neil Gaiman's blog (he's an author and
comic book writer if you haven't heard of him - writes rather well imo):

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Guardian/0,4029,1299449,00.html

When it comes to stuff underground, Paris wins :)

billy (who is claustrophobic and hates caves, but still wants to wander
around in underground tunnels. weird)

--
People who believe in eugenics should be executed for the good of mankind
  Billy Abbott billy at cowfish dot org dot uk

Billy,

Maybe we can work something out when - not if - I get to London...

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

Re: First impressions of my new AF 360 FGZ

2004-09-09 Thread Nenad Djurdjevic

Hi Sid,

I too have the AF360FGZ and I was also disappointed that it didn't swivel
like my old AF280T.  However I have found that it is just as effective to
simply take it off the camera and use it in wireless mode.  That way you can
place it and point it anywhere you like.  What a great feature!

Regards
Nenad
PS - Still got your K2-DMDs?  In my opinion the K2-DMD is the most perfect
camera ever made by Pentax and is the only film camera I would still like to
have now that I have switched to digital.

Epson 4180 Scanner

2004-09-09 Thread Angel Ramos

Hi:
Does any one here has any comments or information on the capabilities 
for this scanner as a film scanner?

regards
Angel 
Arecibo, Puerto Rico

long-time exposures with *istD

2004-09-09 Thread Nenad Djurdjevic

Hi,

For best image quality with automatic long time exposures with the *istD is
it best to use the lowest sensitivity?  Should I take a 30 sec exposure on
200ASA; a 15 sec on 400ASA; or an 8 sec on 800ASA?  I haven't done any real
tests but I have tried some shots using 200-800ASA and they all came out
with very little noise.  Shots using 1600ASA start to get noisy and shots
using 3200ASA are like video camera freeze frames.  What's the theory on
this?  (As an aside, I notice that the *istD noise reduction function takes
a very long time to do its job - the first time I took a long exposure it
took so long to preview the picture that I thought the camera had failed!).
Incidentally I found that I had to overexpose by 3 stops to get reasonable
images.

Nenad

First impressions of my new AF 360 FGZ

2004-09-09 Thread Sid Barras

Just got a new AF360FGZ from Adorama...
My very first impression when taking it out of the box was- Gee this is 
light.
The second was: Gee this feels awfully plastic.
After fiddling with some of the parts-- battery door, 20 mm diffuser, 
head tilting hinge...
I still think it's mighty plasticky.
I took it for a spin today with my MZ-S, and though I still feel it has 
nowhere near the build and quality feel of the AF 500 FTZ, it has some 
very desirable features. I just better be extremely careful with it... 
I also would like it better if it had a 5P socket on the side of it ala 
the 500 FTZ. And I wish it would swivel too. I looked at lots of other 
flashes, and for the money, I could have gotten a 3rd party flash with 
more power and swivel, but it was the P-TTL feature that sold it for 
me.
Greetings from CajunLand USA South Louisiana
Sid Barras

RE: PESO: what is this fruit? How do I get such decent photos on the *ist D?

I had one thought in particular, and it was reaffirmed when I showed the
shot to both my parents.

Avocado...

Just our thoughts,

Cesar


-Original Message-
From: Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:10 AM

I have never tried a close up picture of fruit before, but wandering through
the rain forest in Dominica, as you do, I snapped this. (Feel free to tell
me what the fruit is as well because I can not remember. Pomegranate
possible?)

http://www.lamdesign.co.uk/photos/displayimage.php?album=4&pos=0

Now this was taken using the macro mode and default settings on the small
4meg Olympus 410 using default settings. I have cropped the image slightly
(you can see the original elsewhere in the portfolio) but not messed with
the colours, contrast, et al. This camera was bought for my wife just before
the holiday in Dominica started.

At the end of the holiday, I picked up a *ist D. Now if only I could get as
good a photo with the fancier camera... (like I told my wife)

Feedback on what is good/bad about the photo would be appreciated and advice
on how to achieve even better on the *ist would be more welcome. (Note the
lenses I have are as follows: 18-35, 28-80, 80-320 - all original Pentax
zoom lenses.)


--
Stuart  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: pdmler on tv

Lon,

Mostly wine here, but I am sure I can drum up a beer or two :')

Mi casa es su casa,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

-Original Message-
From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:55 PM

Geeze, folks, I don't know what I clicked on,
but I got some kinda X-rated thing that showed
TV and Tanya doing something dirty on motorcycles
(Courtesy of Mark Robers) a little out of focus
(Courtesy of Frank T) without sufficient smoothness
(Courtesy of WmRobb, Shel, et. al.), no Tak lenses
(JCO complaint), and probably shot on an Olympus
(Pointed out by RedNeck Friends).  Furthermore,
no snake skin was evident (Ceasar).

I think I need a beer.  HELP!

-grin, Lon

RE: Cesar & hurricane Frances

I have been to Ohio.  I had nothing against it :-)

Always try to include pleasure with business,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

P.S. Met Collin B. there.

-Original Message-
From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:19 AM

Ohio is a good bit closer, more civilized, and
don't cotten to no bunny ears.  Ship 'em to ME.

-Lon

frank theriault wrote, in part:
> You know, you have so many LXen, that maybe during hurricane season,
> you should ship a few of them far, far away from Florida..
 > Like, Canada, maybe.

RE: pdmler on tv

-Original Message-
From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:09 AM



Cesar Matamoros II wrote on 9/7/2004, 10:07 PM:

 > Great Tom!
 >
 > But, where was my invitation?  I thought we were tight! :-)
 >

 >
 > http://www.romanphotography.com/office/
 >

Don't feel too bad Cesar...  Apparently they waited for me to leave
before popping the corks on the champagne...

--
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hmmm, how much of a lush are you?  Maybe Tom knows you better than you
yourself does :-)

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

RE: Dslr's and Onsite selling :bit long

David,

I have thought along the same lines as you.
I onced helped a photographer shoot a kids baseball tourney.  Not the most
financially rewarding to say the least.
I did a couple of rugby tournaments a few years back too.
I have taken shots at a rodeo a couple of times for fun and have people tell
me that I should make the photos available since no one around here takes
pictures (close ups).
I have heard that what one photographer is doing locally is contracting with
the tournament directors and providing a CD with shots of the event and all
the rights to the photos.  The parents then tend to have to pitch in so much
to cover the expense.  The photographer's involvement in time is minimal.  I
have to find out who he is and talk with him and get it right from the
source as to how he is doing...

Just what I have come across,

César
Panama City, Florida

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:54 AM


Hi gang.
I'v pretty much finished the crunch of my horse work for the year,1-2 really
small ones
that about it.

I have not sat down and spread sheeted this,but i have gone over rough
fiqures in the
brainal area.

It seems to me that only a few short years ago,in my area anyway,that there
were just a
couple of
people diving into using Dslr's at sporting events weither
horse,soccer,baseball,hockey
etc.
The one thing i have noticed is that there is now a flood of people with
high end and or
consumer end
Dslr's trying to make a buck with the camera,most doing onsite sales,some
web based(like i
am starting
to do.)
I cannot help but think this glut is hurting.I mean how many pictures does
one really need
or willing to
shell out $20-25.00 for YKWIM.

I'm curious to hear from anyone doing sport shooting(not wedding stuff,cause
thats a
different game i
think)and if they are still selling up to expectations or are you getting
the same feeling
i am.To many
players = market share drop.
I know some of my "competiors" have invested in much better computer
equipment/programs
than i
have and can do the funky sport cover pictures,but i'm a traditionalist and
besides cannot
afford to
shell out another 2-3K.
That in itself could be the problem. I'm leaving myself in the dust whilst
others
overtake.

I quess i bring this up as it was another disapointing summer.People loved
my work,just
not buying
much.At least equine. I hear hockey and motosport people are doing well. Is
this the
case.?

Case in point,3 years ago i did well at reining shows.No one was doing
onsite,and sales
were in the
2K per weekend range.Lat year a few more got into it,now less the 1K.This
year more
shooters and
just broke $500 for the weekend(all this is gross BTW).
Its harder to find help so i'm going the web proofs for most work now. Not a
lot of hits
but some.

However the small kids at schooling horse shows,first timers etc, i do quite
well.But
again do i do more
than 1-2 and glut my own market .???

Again, just curious as to what any weekend shooters have to say or think.

Dave

RE: Mediocre lenses

Shel,

Perchance I buck the trend.  I tend to shoot at the lowest ISO I can and
normally my camera bag contains:
77/1.8
31/1.8
24/2
50/1.2
20/4this is the latest addition to get a wider fov on the *ist D...

Wondering how many available light shots I have taken over the years,

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:39 AM

Thanks for that tip, Frank.

I didn't mean to poke fun at your focusing skills, but it was such a fine
opportunity I couldn't pass it up.  I'm sure you'll "get even" at some
point .  And I'm sure someone'll jump in and suggest ways to manually
focus AF lenses, too.

But my jab also had a somewhat more serious side, that being the use of OOF
areas in making photographs.  While I piggybacked my sarcastic comment onto
your work, I've noticed a decided lack of people shooting at wider
apertures here.  Perhaps it's because most people are making nature shots
or macros, but even with the photos of people lots of depth of field is
evident.  maybe that's because of DSLR cameras and the smaller digital
sensor dimensions, but it may also be the result of slower zooms that are
so frequently used along with higher speed films or the higher minimum
speeds that are part of the Pentax DSLR concept.  Whatever happened to
shooting @ f1.4, or f2.0 or 2.8?  Oh, wait, many of the new lenses don't
seem to have those apertures.  Those are wonderful apertures for portraits,
and even for "street" fotographie to soften the backgrounds.

BTW, I like the Erwitt tag line in your sig 

Shel

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:10:10 -0700, Shel Belinkoff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Frank would LOVE a lens that was designed for "pleasing out-of-focus
areas"

> All my lenses have a special feature for easily producing out of focus
areas.
>
> The I move the front ring on the lens (back ring on RF cameras) back
> and forth until everything is nice and sharp.
>
> Then, I turn that ring at least 1/4 turn (doesn't matter if it's to
> the left or the right).  Then I'm all set to shoot!!
>
> I don't believe that this works with autofocus.

RE: Lens hoods (was: Why did this lens sell for so much???)

2004-09-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff

Hi,

While it's nice to be though of as being right, I'm not quite sure what I
was right about.  Perhaps that metal lens hoods offer better protection in
a fall?  I'm not sure I agree with that premise.  A fall is a pretty random
act, and numerous things - surface upon which the object is dropped, angle,
speed, weight of object, resiliency of the object, to name a few, all play
a part in the resultant damage.  While I ~believe~ that a screwed in (on?)
metal hood offers the most protection, there have been those who swear they
were lucky because their camera had a rubber hood, or that a plastic hood
might better absorb shock.

Regardless, I like such hoods because they seem more stable on the camera
than plastic clip-on hoods, and the threads allow for more varied filter
use (although these days filters are rarely on my lenses), and because,
with few exceptions, I find the look and feel of rubber hoods to be cheap
and flimsy, for the most part.  However, I've a gorgeous Vivitar rubber
hood here that is just wonderful - the rubber is firm, the attaching ring
is strong, and the hood is of a good size for the lenses for which it was
designed.

Over the past couple of years I've accumulated a number of round metal
hoods that are of a diameter that accept the yellow plastic lids from
Hershey's syrup cans, Jelly Belly cans, and other such containers.  These
caps slip over the lens hood, affording protection to the lens while
allowing the hood to remain in place.  The caps are an inexpensive
alternative to more expensive caps that essentially do the same thing.  For
those who may find my description a bit vague, you can see such a setup
here:  

http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/cancap.jpg

Shel Belinkoff
"People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next life." 

> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/9/2004 5:08:38 PM
> Subject: Lens hoods (was: Why did this lens sell for so much???)
>
> David,
>
> Shel is absolutely right for a number of reasons.
>
> Ask about my family vacation to Washington DC with 3 little kids.  I was
completely surprised to find a parking space on the street and got out of
the car to drop my Super Program from chest height directly on the A50/1.4
lens (thought I had the strap around my neck)!  The whole thing landed on
the concrete sidewalk, but on the metal lens hood.  It was pretty well
destroyed, but the camera and lens are still fine today.
>
> I don't use the plastic clip-on hoods if I can avoid them.
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> Shel wrote:
> Those plastic clip on hoods may work, but they lack the beauty and
craftsmanship of the all metal Takumar hoods.  They are like a clip-on bow
tie vs a silk cravat or a hand painted Countess Mara tie.  Dave, if you've
never seen the dedicated Tak 35mm hood, or the one for the 20mm lens, or
some of the other early, all metal beauties, you don't know what you're
missing. A great lens deserves a great lens hood

Re: Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8

2004-09-09 Thread edwin

> Thanks for the reminder.  There were some good photos of the lens and
> I've never seen one before but had I known I would not have inserted the
> link.  
> 
> It is on Boz's site but no mention of it on Stan's. Somewhere I read
> some discussion regarding the central area of a fisheye but my short
> term memory is really short.
> 
> > > What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a 
> > > fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?

My girlfriend has a 16/2.8 A fisheye and a *istD.  I think they've been 
used together once, just to see what happens.  
I've used my 17/4 takumar fisheye a little more on my Nikon digitals, 
which have the same AOV as the *istD, although the 17 is only about 170 
degrees AOV (and that's on the diagonals, remember).

Distortion of the image with the fisheyes on a DSLR is a lot less than it 
is on a film SLR, but a lot more than your average ultrawide.  It can be 
corrected with fairly simple hacking in photoshop (with the spherize 
filter) to look just a little odd.  Of course, with careful use the 
distortion of a fisheye can be pretty subtle anyway.
The field of view is pretty much what you'd expect from multiplying the focal 
length by 1.5--i.e. my 17 fish is just a hair less wide than a 24 on a film 
camera, and the 16 fish is just about even with the 24.  Remember that 
most DSLRs (and most Pentax film cameras) do not have 100% viewfinder coverage
which messes up your estimation of FOV a bit.  I found the "24mm" field of 
view that one gets with a fisheye on a DSLR a real disappointment compared 
to the 170-180 degree view you get on film.  I'd recommend a 14 or 15mm 
lens if you really want that ultrawide FOV.  ANYTHING that wide, fish or 
rectilinear, has some real problems with the sun hitting the glass.  The 
fisheyes seem to handle it better, and are in general smaller, lighter, 
and cheaper than the super-ultrawide rectilinears.

On a film camera, I like the A16 fisheye a lot.  I find it to be a better 
performer than my non-smc Takumar 17 fisheye in terms of sharpness (and of 
course contrast).  It's a bit big and heavy and takes some babying to 
protect the front element.  Given my needs and resources, I'd personally 
go for the K17/4 fisheye rather than the A16 (smaller, cheaper, easier to 
find) but I think the A lens is the better one.

On a DSLR, I'd almost advise patience.  I bought a sigma 14mm to give me
back what my 20mm lens used to do on film.  In common with all 14/15mm 
ultrawides it is big, front-heavy, expensive, has mediocre edge sharpness, 
and has severe problems with flare and ghosting.  Compared with Pentax or 
Nikon 20/2.8 or 20/4 lenses it's a dog, with the convenience of a yak.
Eventually they'll have to come out with 35mm-sized digital sensors (that 
work well and don't cost as much as some cars), or MUCH better mega-ultrawide
lenses.

I find it intriguing that Nikon is the only company I know of that 
currently offers a fisheye designed to give 180 degree coverage on a DSLR.   

DJE

Re: *ist D for me

2004-09-09 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Juan, glad to have you back! Just last week I posted a message to the
> list about your web page for the "Pentax H 60mm f/8 Limited" lens (with
> the much sought-after "bokeh-on-demand" feature)!

It seems like the *istD was *made* for the Pentax H. Perfect match in 
its finish, handles great, and the smaller sensor uses the sweet spot 
of the fine one element plastic optic :-)

I'll post some pics taken with it and the *istD (I'm going to get 
carpal tunnel syndrome just from typing that name) as soon as I can.

The 16-45 seems like a nice lens, but it's bulky and the istD feels so
much better with a small prime. The FA35 will be the main lens
attached to this body. The zoom will be around I guess, but I might
ebay it if I don't use it much.

I'm really happy with the istD, I don't think it couldn't be closer to 
an MX in terms of feel, given the market constraints nowadays. It's 
very very nice.

> Pittsburgh is only about 30 minutes east of Ohio - stop on by if you can

I might!  Although I wasn't planning to go anywhere farther east from 
Ohio (it will be a hectic trip as it is, back and forth in two weeks). 
But I'll let you know.

Thanks everybody for the warm welcome!

j

--
 --
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 --

Re: A visit to a park near my home

2004-09-09 Thread Alan Chan

Thanks Attila. The original pictures had too much empty space on the bottom 
so I cropped them off. Now I understand the advantage of pana format with 
super wide angles.  :-)

Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
You have a beautiful park there. My favorites are:
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/33612328
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/image/33612312
I think because they show more space around the trees/flowers,
conveying the feeling of walking in a nice large park.
Attila
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Re: PAW - The last one

Nice.  Without the boy, the scene doesn't quite make it. The two work
well together.  I really like this one.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Friday, August 27, 2004, 12:31:41 PM, you wrote:

D> OK, I just found out that I´ve been at it for exactly half a year (26
D> PAW´s).  I´ve tried to keep posting pictures taken within the previous
D> week, but its hard to get an interesting shot every week so it is time
D> to stop :-)

D> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2646908&size=lg

D> DagT

Re: PESO Tawny

Hello Rob,

Geez, that Voigt is some lens, and you are some photographer for
wielding it so well.  You have shown some fantastic shots with it -
this included.

Bruce


Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:38:52 PM, you wrote:

RS> Another shot from the Voigt, Tawny Frogmouth (Podargus strigoides):

RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/_igp6236.jpg (~290k)
RS> More info:
RS> http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/tawny_frogmouth.htm

RS> I'm off list for the weekend (making images), behave :-)

RS> Cheers,


RS> Rob Studdert
RS> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
RS> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
RS> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
RS> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RS> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
RS> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Sometimes I like grain!

Hello Don,

To me it is not so much the grain, as the colors.  They seem over
punchy and a bit over the top.  Almost makes it surreal.

Bruce


Thursday, August 26, 2004, 4:42:23 PM, you wrote:

DS> Guess I should put my pics where my mouth is.
DS> This is a snap taken with a 105SL (My carseat camera) on Fuji 400.

DS> http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/IowaField.jpg

DS> I also shot this with the MX on Reala.
DS> The Reala shot is pretty but boring.
DS> I think the grain and even "fuzziness" makes this for me.
DS> I shamelessy edited in PS to try to get the "feeling" I had standing there.
DS> Technically awful, very edited, but I look at the 8x10 on my wall a lot, it
DS> relaxes me.
DS> Good photo? Nope.
DS> Pleasing image? Maybe. ;-)

DS> Don

Re: PAW - Wall

Hello Billy,

I have to admit, I rather like this one.  All the rectangles and
colors really work together to form an almost abstract painting.
Nicely recognized and composed.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 3:24:08 PM, you wrote:


BA> http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/grafwall.html

BA> A wall down the road from my house. This is pretty much as scanned - just
BA> tweaked to make it more like the print in sharpness and contrast. Comments
BA> always welcome.

BA> It's a bit minimal, but i like it :)

BA> billy

Re: OT: Lost Rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror)

2004-09-09 Thread Keith Whaley

There are still good ones in Vienna...
Plenty of catacombs.
We (my wife and I) took our libations in a [something or other] subterranean 
Keller, and our table was in a little gouged-out section off a tunnel, that 
had a small table in it. Strung lights followed the roofline of the passageway.
Very interesting indeed!

And believe it or not, a zither player accompanied our early supper...
Perfect!
keith whaley
Billy Abbott wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Keith Whaley wrote:
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Billy Abbott wrote on 09.09.04 16:57:
http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.

Now it's _that_ I find hard to believe!
Considering the labyrinth of modern to ancient passages of all manner 
built under practically all of London, where would there be ROOM for a 
river?
Now I'd love to hear more of that!  

A friend of mine has a book of walks called "Secret London" 
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566565278) full of walks 
around bits of London that even Londoners (and trainee Londoners such as 
myself [6 years and counting]) have never really seen. Included in these 
are a bunch of "lost" river walks - we wandered the route of the Tyburn 
from marylebone->vauxhall, where we also found (on the other bank) the 
outfall gate for the River Effra, which went south from the Thames.

These days it seems that the only people who really care that much about 
the underground rivers are the tube engineers who keep getting flooded :)

My friend with the book, who is rather fond of organising things, is now 
trying to find out if we can get a group together to be shown around 
tunnels under London...we've tried and failed (but will keep trying) to 
get london underground to show us around the abandoned "Down Street" 
station, which was used as a bomb shelter for Churchill during the 
second world war, and there seems to be loads more places we might be 
able to wander around... (and take pictures of course)

I also found this bit of news off Neil Gaiman's blog (he's an author and 
comic book writer if you haven't heard of him - writes rather well imo):

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Guardian/0,4029,1299449,00.html
When it comes to stuff underground, Paris wins :)
billy (who is claustrophobic and hates caves, but still wants to wander 
around in underground tunnels. weird)

Re: Amazing Discovery

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:59:46 +0100, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Only when he asks himself if he wants to see his etchings.

Even his etchings are blurry...

-frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: OT: Cataphiles and Perforating Mexicans (Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

Hi,

>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1299448,00.html

> Fascinating!

Luc Besson's movie "Subway" (sometime in the 1980s, with la tres belle
Isabel Adjani) was set among people living on the Paris Metro.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: Pentax MF DSLR

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:39:00 -0400, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No no no, don't you understand Pentax has invented a time machine, they
> plan to sell them before they make them.
> 

Apparently, that's what they're doing with Tainter's lens 

cheers,
frank

ps:  thanks for the straight line, Peter  

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: OT: Cataphiles and Perforating Mexicans (Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

On 9/9/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1299448,00.html

Fascinating!




Cheers,
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Re: Pentax MF DSLR

Malcolm Smith wrote:
Pål Jensen wrote:
 

How are you
supposed to build up a customer base of DSLRs if it's almost 
impossible to buy them? As for advertising them

REPLY:
I wasn't aware there are problems getting hold of an *istD. 
The next installment is right around the corner and Pentax 
surely plans to sell quite a lot of it! According to this at least: 
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0406/04060601pentax900dslr.asp
   

You will note they can't even get the year correct in that statement. Great
product, optimistic sales programme.
Malcolm 
 

No no no, don't you understand Pentax has invented a time machine, they 
plan to sell them before they make them. 

--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

On 9/9/04, Billy Abbott, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
>
>Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street 
>festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river 
>flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.
>
>comments always welcome


Nice catch Billy. Good colour too.



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Re: PAW part 2: Splashdown

On 9/9/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2682413&size=lg

I much prefer this pic as a standalone shot. EXCELLENT.




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Re: PAW - Poppies

On 9/9/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>Nice capture Cotty.
>I like how the flowers have a "wrap around" look to them. I dont think
>this would have
>worked if there 
>were more flowers,a partial field is plenty. I also like the bit of a
>hill(called
>mountains in 
>Saskatchewan.lol)in the background. Breaks it up nicely.
>
>DAVE
>
>   > I don't often do a PAW, I think this is my second.
>> 
>> This is the site in a field a few miles from home:
>> 
>> 

Thank you sir. Boy you are just catching up here aren't you ;-)




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OT: Cataphiles and Perforating Mexicans (Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

Hi,

> Rumour has it that there are many miles of uncharted abandonned subway
> tunnels in New York, much of which is inhabited by "moles" who are
> said to have their own vicious society down there.  Who knows how much
> of it is urban legend, but there does seem to be at least a seed of
> truth to the myths.

Paris pareil! :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1299448,00.html

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

OT: Lost Rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror)

2004-09-09 Thread Billy Abbott

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Keith Whaley wrote:
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Billy Abbott wrote on 09.09.04 16:57:
http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.
Now it's _that_ I find hard to believe!
Considering the labyrinth of modern to ancient passages of all manner built 
under practically all of London, where would there be ROOM for a river?
Now I'd love to hear more of that!  
A friend of mine has a book of walks called "Secret London" 
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566565278) full of walks around 
bits of London that even Londoners (and trainee Londoners such as myself 
[6 years and counting]) have never really seen. Included in these are a 
bunch of "lost" river walks - we wandered the route of the Tyburn from 
marylebone->vauxhall, where we also found (on the other bank) the outfall 
gate for the River Effra, which went south from the Thames.

These days it seems that the only people who really care that much about 
the underground rivers are the tube engineers who keep getting flooded :)

My friend with the book, who is rather fond of organising things, is now 
trying to find out if we can get a group together to be shown around 
tunnels under London...we've tried and failed (but will keep trying) to 
get london underground to show us around the abandoned "Down Street" 
station, which was used as a bomb shelter for Churchill during the second 
world war, and there seems to be loads more places we might be able to 
wander around... (and take pictures of course)

I also found this bit of news off Neil Gaiman's blog (he's an author and 
comic book writer if you haven't heard of him - writes rather well imo):

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Guardian/0,4029,1299449,00.html
When it comes to stuff underground, Paris wins :)
billy (who is claustrophobic and hates caves, but still wants to wander 
around in underground tunnels. weird)

--
People who believe in eugenics should be executed for the good of mankind
 Billy Abbott billy at cowfish dot org dot uk

Re: Hitachi 4Gb microdrive not working in *ist D

On 9/9/04, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed:

>(I've got my eye on a 2gb Lexar 80x, but I've got to
>sell some stuff first..).

I was doing some pricing up of CF cards and was planning to get a 2GB
card. Then I read this:



Which did make me think. I've got a couple of 512k cards, both slow. I've
just bought a Lexar 40X 1GB card. That'll do me for now




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Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

Hi,

>> There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
>> which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
>> London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
>> immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
>> some of our drinking water.

> I managed to fall in that, so I wouldn't drink too much of it.

They do say that all our drinking water has already been through at
least 7 people...

I suspect I have a cast iron stomach. Before my first trip to Ethiopia
I bought a water purifier, and memorised all the rules about being
careful what I drink, peeling fruit, not having ice in drinks, etc.
etc. Then I go and stay by the side of Lake Tana and start to clean my
teeth in tap water. When I look at it I see a lot of brown murk and
small living creatures. So I spit and spit, then follow the pipe out
of the building, and all the way into the lake. So now I've got a
stomach full of African lake.

I spent the next 10 days on the toilet*.

But since then I've been able to drink practically any water from any
source**, with no ill effects. It's great.

* I also lost an awful lot of weight. I'm sure there must be a million
to be made from writing "The Tana Diet", by Bill Hartsear.

** within reason. I wouldn't want to drink from another African lake.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

RE: Pentax MF DSLR

2004-09-09 Thread Malcolm Smith

Pål Jensen wrote:

> How are you
> supposed to build up a customer base of DSLRs if it's almost 
> impossible to buy them? As for advertising them
>  
> 
> REPLY:
> 
> I wasn't aware there are problems getting hold of an *istD. 
> The next installment is right around the corner and Pentax 
> surely plans to sell quite a lot of it! According to this at least: 
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0406/04060601pentax900dslr.asp

You will note they can't even get the year correct in that statement. Great
product, optimistic sales programme.

Malcolm

Re: Come to papa........

On 9/9/04, Stephen Moore, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oh ghod, NO! What have I done??!
>
>Yaaahhh!!
>
>Stephen

Don't worry Stephen, it's *reversible*.

;-)




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Re: Come to papa........

On 9/9/04, Lon Williamson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And I for one have had e-nuff.  Go to www.stopcot.net
>to register your formal complaint to the Rules Board.

LOL.




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Re: Come to papa........

On 9/9/04, Henri Toivonen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hey, that link doesn't work!
>Where can I register my complaint?
>
>/Henri

Right here bud.

Talk to the back-focus.




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Re: Come to papa........

On 9/9/04, Rob Brigham, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Didn't you seel one of these a while back?

I bought a mint in box 85 1.4 for £650. I used it for a year, then when I
sold up to buy a digicam, I got £750 for it!  I'm never that lucky.


>
>Have you come out of the deal quids in, or do you wish now that you had
>kept your original?

Hmm, not quids in. Yes I do regret selling the original, but needs must.
I won't sell this one though, it is a Galaxy-Class lens.






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Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #271

2004-09-09 Thread J Mason

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
>
> Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
> festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
> flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.

As others have said, very nice.

Great colors.  Graphically interesting.  Reflected street scene is
lively.  And there's just enough of the car visible to remind me what
a Morris Minor looks like.

Thanks for the link.

--John

-- 
J Mason
Charlottesville, Virginia
>>Democracy of Speed, a Photo Documentary Project:
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ds8s/john-m/john-m.html

Re: Canon users buy up stocks of high-end Pentax lenses (Was: Re: Come to papa........)

On 9/9/04, Ryan Lee, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Adaptors? Doesn't he rip off the lens mount and just fix on one of those
>Borg Canon ones? Adaptor makes it sound so civil, surely not the right term
>for our barbaric Mr Cottrell. Jean Luc Picard indeed..
>
>;)
>Ryan


Watch it Lee or I'll assimilate you!



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Amazing Discovery

On 9/9/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> (although I'm really dating myself now,
>
>do you invite yourself in for a coffee then 'accidentally' miss the
>last bus home?

Only when he asks himself if he wants to see his etchings.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Airborne - aerial photographs

On 9/9/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It has been a very nice day. Me and my colleague made a lot of photographs
>in the air above our small town - Koge.
>The pilot was a very nice guy - he makes his living from flying with
>photographers -  in his very nice, black photographers helicopter; a
>Colibri - doing stills and movies.
>
>From time to time he is shooting 16mm film himself. So he knew exactly how
>ansd wher to fly/stayin the air to get just the right shots. We had brought
>a map showing the exact positions, we wanted to be photograph from (X,Y and
>Z coordinates). He even knew where to go, if I changed from a 50mm to a 80mm
>on my Pentacon Six. A great help!
>Take a look!
>
>These shots were made with my *ist D:
>
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414125.html
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414126.html
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414127.html
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html
>http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414129.html

Nice work there Jens. It's great fun, eh?

I go up several times a year, usually in a Squirrel



(click on 'Our Fleet')

because the door comes off very quickly and easily




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: Pentax MF DSLR

2004-09-09 Thread Pål Jensen

Malcolm wrote:

How are you
supposed to build up a customer base of DSLRs if it's almost impossible to
buy them? As for advertising them
 

REPLY:

I wasn't aware there are problems getting hold of an *istD. The next installment is 
right around the corner and Pentax surely plans to sell quite a lot of it! According 
to this at least: 
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0406/04060601pentax900dslr.asp

Re: *ist D for me

On 9/9/04, Juan , discombobulated, unleashed:

> Hello everybody,

Hey dude.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8

I have no experience with this lens on the *ist-d but the 17mm fisheye 
shows enough distortion to look like a
24mm lens with extremely bad barrel distortion.  It's neither fish nor 
fowl.  I wouldn't invest for that sole purpose.
The lens itself has a great reputation for what it is and on a 35mm 
camera I'd love to have it, but not for the *ist-d.
(Just my opinion but you may not mind barrel distortion).

Mark Stringer wrote:
What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a
fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15240&item=383874
9108&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 

Mark Stringer
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PAW - Poppies

2004-09-09 Thread brooksdj

Nice capture Cotty.
I like how the flowers have a "wrap around" look to them. I dont think this would have
worked if there 
were more flowers,a partial field is plenty. I also like the bit of a hill(called
mountains in 
Saskatchewan.lol)in the background. Breaks it up nicely.

DAVE

> I don't often do a PAW, I think this is my second.
> 
> This is the site in a field a few miles from home:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
> 
>

Re: PAW part 2: Splashdown

Now that does look painful.
frank theriault wrote:
There seems to have been a bit of interest in my PAW from earlier
today, This Is Going to Hurt:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2681920&size=lg
For those still interested, here's the inevitable result of the foregoing:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2682413&size=lg
Apparently, separation of rider from bike prior to water contact is of
paramount importance to one's potential reproductive activities.
Also, better Pentax content in this one.
Comment on this one if you like, too!  
cheers,
frank
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Long term digital storage solutions

2004-09-09 Thread brooksdj

Cotty.
As you can see i have some old mailon my system i'm just getting around to.lol

We run PC's at work , and i do at home, and the company uses Maxtor external 120gig 
hard
drives. 
They seem to be ok,in the 2 years using them,and i plan to get one asap to transfer my
photos on to it. I 
also have them on CD but have been reluctant to delete them until i have a second b/u.
Cost is about $249 Can$.

Dave 

> Until now, I have been storing camera original 
files on CD. However,
> based on what I have read here, I have just bought a 160 GB hard drive,
> and am currently duping across all the CDs so that I have 2 copies if
> each file.
> 
> Cost including delivery in UK £67 from www.dabs.com - boy do Mac
> merchants rip people off. The same drive from a Mac store was over a
> hundred squid! Barstewards.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps
> _
> 
> 
>

Re: Amazing Discovery

But you can just do it until you need glasses.
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
 

(although I'm really dating myself now,
  

   

do you invite yourself in for a coffee then 'accidentally' miss the
last bus home?

 

Do you _really_ want the details???
   

I suspect we've find out why Frank can't focus. Brother Kelly told me
that 'dating yourself' leads to blindness.
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Why did this lens sell for so much???

2004-09-09 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I use the 49mm Takumar hood on the K35/3.5 with a step down ring.  Most all
> 49mm hoods will work on the 52mm Kmount lenses in this manner without
> vignetting.  Pentax made the  barrel of the K lenses of a larger diameter
> than the Taks, but the diameter of the glass is the same for comparable
> lenses.

Another question, I am afraid: it turns out I have the 49mm hood for
the Takumar 28/3.5. This uses the same mechanism as the 18/3.5,
whereby you turn the hood against the ring that attaches to the lens
to tighten it. Will this work with a step-down ring, or will there be
too little lip to attach?

Thanks,

Kostas

Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

2004-09-09 Thread Keith Whaley

And the lady in the middle of the street, who walks like a fashion model...
She might be, truth be known.
Damned good shot!
That's the "'street photography" I'd like to take.
Looks almost Weegee-ish, except it's not so much in your face as his...
keith whaley
frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:03:16 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
, not "lost" ones. Not so?
well, technically I suppose you're right - they're not really lost.
But very, very few people are aware of when they're walking above one
of them, or even that there's one there at all.
There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
some of our drinking water.

All this talk of lost subterranean waterways reminds me of moles,
those who live underground, especially in abandonned subway tunnels.
Rumour has it that there are many miles of uncharted abandonned subway
tunnels in New York, much of which is inhabited by "moles" who are
said to have their own vicious society down there. Who knows how much
of it is urban legend, but there does seem to be at least a seed of
truth to the myths.
All of which reminds me of one of my favourite photos by Eugene Richards:
http://www.magnumphotos.com/c/htm/CDocZ_MAG.aspx?Stat=DocThumb_DocZoom&o=&DT=ALB&E=2K7O3R3G9ZPA&Pass=&Total=18&Pic=6&SubE=2K7O3R3OE4C1
See, now we're back to photography again!!
cheers,
frank

Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

2004-09-09 Thread Keith Whaley


Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Thursday, September 9, 2004, 7:23:55 PM, Keith wrote:

I have to constantly be brought back to Google... but seriously, those are
named water courses, not "lost" ones. Not so?

well, technically I suppose you're right - they're not really lost.
But very, very few people are aware of when they're walking above one
of them, or even that there's one there at all.
There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
some of our drinking water.
It's so good it Herts?  :^)
Alright, alright...
keith

Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:30:22 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I managed to fall in that, so I wouldn't drink too much of it.
> 

Speaking of drinking, mike, how much did you have that night?



cheers (hic),
frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:03:16 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
, not "lost" ones. Not so?
> 
> well, technically I suppose you're right - they're not really lost.
> But very, very few people are aware of when they're walking above one
> of them, or even that there's one there at all.
> 
> There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
> which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
> London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
> immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
> some of our drinking water.
> 

All this talk of lost subterranean waterways reminds me of moles,
those who live underground, especially in abandonned subway tunnels.

Rumour has it that there are many miles of uncharted abandonned subway
tunnels in New York, much of which is inhabited by "moles" who are
said to have their own vicious society down there.  Who knows how much
of it is urban legend, but there does seem to be at least a seed of
truth to the myths.

All of which reminds me of one of my favourite photos by Eugene Richards:

http://www.magnumphotos.com/c/htm/CDocZ_MAG.aspx?Stat=DocThumb_DocZoom&o=&DT=ALB&E=2K7O3R3G9ZPA&Pass=&Total=18&Pic=6&SubE=2K7O3R3OE4C1

See, now we're back to photography again!!  

cheers,
frank
-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

2004-09-09 Thread mike wilson

Hi,
Bob W wrote:
There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
some of our drinking water.
I managed to fall in that, so I wouldn't drink too much of it.
mike

Re: A visit to a park near my home

2004-09-09 Thread Bernd Scheffler

I like best: pics 06, 08, 18, 19, 22
followed up by pic17 - it is nice but I (being viewer) can't decide if
foreground or background is more important - attention is rotating; pic15
caught my eyes, but not that very much when seen in great size

All in all nice done, I dare to say ...I hope to learn from those examples,
because to me it is still difficult to capture good shots with an ultra
wideangle lens.

Best, Bernd

-original message---
  a.. From: Alan Chan
  b.. Subject: A visit to a park near my home
  c.. Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:56:16 -0700



http://www.pbase.com/wlachan/summer_time

  I was out doing some shooting, as well as testing my new used
SMC15/3.5. This is a temp gallery only, I am waiting for another sunny day
to cover the rest of the park. All comments are welcome, especially for
individual shots. :-)


Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan

Re: *ist D for me

> - Original Message -
> From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:26 AM
> Subject: *ist D for me
> 
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > Been gone from the list for a long while. I've been shooting a bit,
> > but mainly with the M6.
> >
> > Anyway, given a bit of a lack of inspiration period I've been going
> > through, I decided that a new toy would help me get going again, so
> I
> > decided to finally bite the bullet and get a DSLR. Given the many
> > lenses I already have and love (FA35 2, K85 1.8, K24 3.5, K30 2.8,
> A50
> > 1.4, etc etc), the *ist D was the obvious choice. Looks like K and M
> > lenses will work in manual metering now, so that's sweet.
> >
> > Of course, as soon as I started researching the camera, many things
> > became apparent: Pentax is about to announce something
> > better/cheaper/faster, Canon just announced an 8Mp SLR for $200
> less,
> > etc etc etc...  So I decided to stop reading the PDML and rumour
> sites
> > online, and just order on from Adorama. I guess I'll skip whatever
> > Pentax announces next and then get the 18 megapixel special edition
> LX
> > that they'll anounce in Photokina 2017.
> >
> > Anyway, UPS says my ist and 16-45 will be here tomorrow. Nothing to
> > ask the list, just saying hi and sharing the excitement...
> >
> > j
> >
> >
> > PS: BTW, I'll be driving across most of the USA from San Francisco
> to
> > Ohio starting this coming weekend. Looking forward to see how the
> istD
> > sees America...

Juan,

Welcome back!!

cheers,
frank (still a film-boy)


-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: *ist D for me

2004-09-09 Thread Jostein

Hi, Juan.

Good to have you back. Congrats on the purchase!
Paul Stenquist and Cotty recently proved to me with one of my own
images that the *ist D can deliver images to be enlarged to A3. That's
sufficient quality for me for a good while. At least until a digital
alternative using my Pentax 645 lenses comes along...LOL

Cheers,
Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:26 AM
Subject: *ist D for me


>
> Hello everybody,
>
> Been gone from the list for a long while. I've been shooting a bit,
> but mainly with the M6.
>
> Anyway, given a bit of a lack of inspiration period I've been going
> through, I decided that a new toy would help me get going again, so
I
> decided to finally bite the bullet and get a DSLR. Given the many
> lenses I already have and love (FA35 2, K85 1.8, K24 3.5, K30 2.8,
A50
> 1.4, etc etc), the *ist D was the obvious choice. Looks like K and M
> lenses will work in manual metering now, so that's sweet.
>
> Of course, as soon as I started researching the camera, many things
> became apparent: Pentax is about to announce something
> better/cheaper/faster, Canon just announced an 8Mp SLR for $200
less,
> etc etc etc...  So I decided to stop reading the PDML and rumour
sites
> online, and just order on from Adorama. I guess I'll skip whatever
> Pentax announces next and then get the 18 megapixel special edition
LX
> that they'll anounce in Photokina 2017.
>
> Anyway, UPS says my ist and 16-45 will be here tomorrow. Nothing to
> ask the list, just saying hi and sharing the excitement...
>
> j
>
>
> PS: BTW, I'll be driving across most of the USA from San Francisco
to
> Ohio starting this coming weekend. Looking forward to see how the
istD
> sees America...
>
> --
>  ---
---
>  Juan J. Buhler | Lead FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at
http://www.jbuhler.com
>  ---
---
>
>

RE: Airborne - aerial photographs

2004-09-09 Thread Jens Bladt

Thanks a lot, Frank.
I will try to post scans of the Velvia shots.
I'm worried that they woun't come out quite right. My old Pentcon Six has a
habit of making overlapping frames, if not loaded exactly according to
special precedures. Furthermore, I had to rely on my old Lunasix F meter.
However, according to the Pentax the metering, it seemed right (f5.6-1/1000
sec. or f8-1/500 sec.) So, I hope the shutterpeeds are accurate enough.
When the Pentacon Six works - it surly makes nice photographs (Carl Zeiss
JEna lenses). Velvia 100F is supposed to be very sharp. I should perhaps
have rented a Hassie, a Rollie or a Petnax 6x7 - afterall the flight - just
1 hour - cost app. the same as my *ist D! But I didn't have the time.

Not all, but quite a few roofs are red in Denmark, covered with red tiles
(burned clay - like bricks). In old towns it is often mandatory to use these
red, clay tiles. It's a tradition. They make Denmark look like a H.C.
Andersen fairytale country - which is what it is - basicly!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. september 2004 20:35
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Airborne - aerial photographs

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:21:29 +0200, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It has been a very nice day. Me and my colleague made a lot of photographs
> in the air above our small town - Koge.
> The pilot was a very nice guy - he makes his living from flying with
> photographers -  in his very nice, black photographers helicopter; a
> Colibri - doing stills and movies.
>
> From time to time he is shooting 16mm film himself. So he knew exactly how
> ansd wher to fly/stayin the air to get just the right shots. We had
brought
> a map showing the exact positions, we wanted to be photograph from (X,Y
and
> Z coordinates). He even knew where to go, if I changed from a 50mm to a
80mm
> on my Pentacon Six. A great help!
> Take a look!
>
> These shots were made with my *ist D:
>
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414125.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414126.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414127.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414129.html
>
> The Six MP *ist D is not quite enouhg for aerial photography - that is to
> use for drawings in the project involvoing a 40 ha extention to our
harbour.
> So, I brought a 6x6 Pentacon Six loaded with Velvia 100F. I hope they'll
> come out right!

Pretty cool shots, Jens!

It must have been a pretty interesting excursion.  I don't know about
flying around in black helicopters, though.  All the local UFO
conspiracy theorists must have been going nuts seeing that thing
hovering around all day.  

The shot of the harbour showing what looks like silt in the water is
pretty neat:

http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html

Are all (or most) of the roofs red because they're covered with red
tile or shingles?  Is that a local thing, or is it everywhere in
Denmark?

Again, I enjoyed looking at the photos.  It would be nice to see the
medium format ones when they're ready.

thanks,
frank

--
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

RE: Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8

2004-09-09 Thread Mark Stringer

Thanks for the reminder.  There were some good photos of the lens and
I've never seen one before but had I known I would not have inserted the
link.  

It is on Boz's site but no mention of it on Stan's. Somewhere I read
some discussion regarding the central area of a fisheye but my short
term memory is really short.

And I'll review the faq.  Thanks again.

> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8
> 
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:24:18 -0500, Mark Stringer 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a 
> > fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?
> > 
> > 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15240&item=3838
> > 74
> > 9108&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> > 
> > Mark Stringer
> > 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Just so you know:
> 
> http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
> 
> And, to be more specific:
> 
> "EBAY-- It is all right to mention your own auctions. Do not 
> mention other items until the auction is over (common 
> courtesy). An exception is obviously funny and BS stuff like 
> the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digital, or non-photographic 
> stuff like the wedding dress that was the basis of a long 
> thread here a while back."
> 
> Not scolding you, as you likely didn't know;  just letting 
> you know for future reference.And, of course, 
> they're not "rules", but suggested guidelines.  You can keep 
> posting eBay auctions, but you may then ruffle a few 
> feathers.  Not mine, BTW - I don't do eBay these days (I just 
> look, don't buy).
> 
> As far as the lens goes, I don't know anything about it, 
> except that you're right, on a *istD, the more distorted 
> edges of the 35mm frame wouldn't be visible to the sensor, so 
> it would not be as extreme a fisheye effect as on a 35mm film camera.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> "It's about time we started to take photography seriously and 
> treat it as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt
> 
>

OT: Lost rivers (Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

Hi,

Thursday, September 9, 2004, 7:23:55 PM, Keith wrote:

> I have to constantly be brought back to Google... but seriously, those are
> named water courses, not "lost" ones. Not so?

well, technically I suppose you're right - they're not really lost.
But very, very few people are aware of when they're walking above one
of them, or even that there's one there at all.

There's also at least one 'lost' canal - the New River, an aquaduct
which was built in the early 17th century to bring drinking water to
London from a spring in Hertfordshire (one of the counties to the
immediate north of London). It's still flowing, and supplying us with
some of our drinking water.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PAW part 2: Splashdown

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:46:18 +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2004, at 7:58 PM, frank theriault wrote:
> 

> Frank! This is fantastic! I especially love the second photo - it is
> just weird - legs and bike's wheels coming out from water with a splash
> - you couldn't do that better :-)
> 
> Cheers
> Sylwek
> 

Well, thank you!  I think that Bicycle Dock Jumping should become an
Olympic sport.  Just think:  there could be events for distance
(equivalent to the long jump), and judged events for style (like
diving).  Even Synchronized Dock Jumping, with whole teams of bikers
jumping at once!

Seriously, I sometimes find it odd that a couple of "throwaway shots"
like that seem to be rather popular.  My last two "serious" photos for
PAW ("Spine Cracker" and "The Confrontation") didn't garner much in
the way of comment or discussion, relatively speaking.

My Waterbomber shot (another "non-serious" photo) started a thread of
over 30 posts (most about waterbombers, not my photo ).

I think I shot about three rolls at this Dock Jumping event.  I got
there about 2 hours before the event started, so I was nicely liquored
up by the time the first bike rolled down the ramp.   I just
happily snapped away, not trying to be "artistic" (as if I ever do),
but rather just trying to capture a few friends having fun.

Maybe it's the fun and whimsy of the event that somehow comes through
and interests people.  Whatever, I'm glad you like them, and thanks
again for the comment.

cheers,
frank 

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: PAW part 2: Splashdown

2004-09-09 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk

On Sep 9, 2004, at 7:58 PM, frank theriault wrote:
There seems to have been a bit of interest in my PAW from earlier
today, This Is Going to Hurt:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2681920&size=lg
For those still interested, here's the inevitable result of the 
foregoing:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2682413&size=lg
Frank! This is fantastic! I especially love the second photo - it is 
just weird - legs and bike's wheels coming out from water with a splash 
- you couldn't do that better :-)

Cheers
Sylwek

Re: Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:24:18 -0500, Mark Stringer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a
> fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15240&item=383874
> 9108&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> 
> Mark Stringer
> 

Mark,

Just so you know:

http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html

And, to be more specific:

"EBAY-- It is all right to mention your own auctions. Do not mention
other items until the auction is over (common courtesy). An exception
is obviously funny and BS stuff like the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds
digital, or non-photographic stuff like the wedding dress that was the
basis of a long thread here a while back."

Not scolding you, as you likely didn't know;  just letting you know
for future reference.And, of course, they're not "rules", but
suggested guidelines.  You can keep posting eBay auctions, but you may
then ruffle a few feathers.  Not mine, BTW - I don't do eBay these
days (I just look, don't buy).

As far as the lens goes, I don't know anything about it, except that
you're right, on a *istD, the more distorted edges of the 35mm frame
wouldn't be visible to the sensor, so it would not be as extreme a
fisheye effect as on a 35mm film camera.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: Airborne - aerial photographs

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:21:29 +0200, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has been a very nice day. Me and my colleague made a lot of photographs
> in the air above our small town - Koge.
> The pilot was a very nice guy - he makes his living from flying with
> photographers -  in his very nice, black photographers helicopter; a
> Colibri - doing stills and movies.
> 
> From time to time he is shooting 16mm film himself. So he knew exactly how
> ansd wher to fly/stayin the air to get just the right shots. We had brought
> a map showing the exact positions, we wanted to be photograph from (X,Y and
> Z coordinates). He even knew where to go, if I changed from a 50mm to a 80mm
> on my Pentacon Six. A great help!
> Take a look!
> 
> These shots were made with my *ist D:
> 
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414125.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414126.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414127.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414129.html
> 
> The Six MP *ist D is not quite enouhg for aerial photography - that is to
> use for drawings in the project involvoing a 40 ha extention to our harbour.
> So, I brought a 6x6 Pentacon Six loaded with Velvia 100F. I hope they'll
> come out right!

Pretty cool shots, Jens!

It must have been a pretty interesting excursion.  I don't know about
flying around in black helicopters, though.  All the local UFO
conspiracy theorists must have been going nuts seeing that thing
hovering around all day.  

The shot of the harbour showing what looks like silt in the water is
pretty neat:

http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html

Are all (or most) of the roofs red because they're covered with red
tile or shingles?  Is that a local thing, or is it everywhere in
Denmark?

Again, I enjoyed looking at the photos.  It would be nice to see the
medium format ones when they're ready.

thanks,
frank


-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

RE: Airborne - aerial photographs

2004-09-09 Thread pnstenquist

Nice work. The aerial shots are quite interesting. i was intrigued by the way you can 
see the varying depth of the water in the shoreline shot.
Paul


> It has been a very nice day. Me and my colleague made a lot of photographs
> in the air above our small town - Koge.
> The pilot was a very nice guy - he makes his living from flying with
> photographers -  in his very nice, black photographers helicopter; a
> Colibri - doing stills and movies.
> 
> From time to time he is shooting 16mm film himself. So he knew exactly how
> ansd wher to fly/stayin the air to get just the right shots. We had brought
> a map showing the exact positions, we wanted to be photograph from (X,Y and
> Z coordinates). He even knew where to go, if I changed from a 50mm to a 80mm
> on my Pentacon Six. A great help!
> Take a look!
> 
> These shots were made with my *ist D:
> 
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414125.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414126.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414127.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414128.html
> http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7414129.html
> 
> The Six MP *ist D is not quite enouhg for aerial photography - that is to
> use for drawings in the project involvoing a 40 ha extention to our harbour.
> So, I brought a 6x6 Pentacon Six loaded with Velvia 100F. I hope they'll
> come out right!
> 
> All the best
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 9. september 2004 06:55
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Airborne
> 
> 
> Today I may be going to do aerial photography.
> At work we need photographs for our new 40 ha harbour project. We may go up
> today beacause of the very fine weather we are having in Europe at the
> moment. I'm glad I got the *ist D  - so I dont have to change film for every
> 36 shots. And my Vosonic X-drive can empty my 512 Mb card in 1-2 minutes.
> So, I'll be able to shoot and shoot and shoot. Ishould actually buy one more
> card.
> all the best
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8

2004-09-09 Thread Mark Stringer


What is known about the Pentax SMC-A 16/2.8? Any opinions?  It is a
fisheye.  On an istD would the fisheye be as extreme as on film?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15240&item=383874
9108&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 

Mark Stringer

Re: A visit to a park near my home

2004-09-09 Thread Stephen Moore

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
The pics make a nice document of the park.  #10 is a wonderful example of
that document, and I like #19 as well, but for it's framing and feel - imo
it's the best "photograph" of the bunch.  
I concur: #19 is very, very nice. Photos #15 and #16 are very
interesting from a DoF point of view. (A couple of years ago
Boz was soliciting comments on certain lenses, including the
15/3.5. As regards bokeh I wrote, "As soon as I actually see
some, I'll let you know." Now I've seen some ;-) Nice shots!
You should submit #1 to the PDML self-portraits page. 
(That's another thing this lens does well, whether or not
one wants it to...)
Thanks for sharing.
Stephen Moore

Re: PESO: Tyra

2004-09-09 Thread wendy beard

 --- Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> wendy beard wrote on 9/9/2004, 10:11 AM:
> 
>  > My baby is 2 years old today!
>  >
>  > http://www.pbase.com/image/33614969
> 
> Funny my baby is 2 today too.  The only difference
> is that my daughter, 
> Alex, has much less hair than Tyra!
> 

Happy Birthday to Alex!

Tyra says Alex is welcome to come and share her toys,
but she's keeping the bone to herself 

Wendy

Re: Come to papa........

2004-09-09 Thread Stephen Moore

Oh ghod, NO! What have I done??!
Yaaahhh!!
Stephen

Re: *ist D for me

2004-09-09 Thread Mark Roberts

"Juan J. Buhler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Anyway, UPS says my ist and 16-45 will be here tomorrow. Nothing to
>ask the list, just saying hi and sharing the excitement...

Juan, glad to have you back! Just last week I posted a message to the
list about your web page for the "Pentax H 60mm f/8 Limited" lens (with
the much sought-after "bokeh-on-demand" feature)!

>PS: BTW, I'll be driving across most of the USA from San Francisco to
>Ohio starting this coming weekend. Looking forward to see how the istD
>sees America...

Pittsburgh is only about 30 minutes east of Ohio - stop on by if you can
;-)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Amazing Discovery

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:26:50 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > (although I'm really dating myself now,
> 
> do you invite yourself in for a coffee then 'accidentally' miss the
> last bus home?
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob
> 

Yes, but I'd never put out on the first date.  I'm not that type of
boy, even with myself.

-frank



-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: PAW: This May Hurt

2004-09-09 Thread Steve Desjardins

But Frank, it's . . . sharp.  ;-)

I really like the onlookers.  The bike guy is doing something extreme,
and they look so nonchalant.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

OT - Alex's b-day (was: Re: PESO: Tyra)

2004-09-09 Thread Christian



frank theriault wrote on 9/9/2004, 11:18 AM:


 >
 > Happy birthday to Alex!
 >
 > 2nd birthdays are such fun.  At one, they have no idea what's up
 > (except they know ~something~ neat's happening.  At two, they get
 > right into it.  I know I don't have to tell you, but have a camera
 > ready for the obligatory "cake smeared all over the face" shot.  
 >

Already had the part at Grandma's beach house last weekend.  Cake 
smeared on face shots taken!  You are right about her being into it. 
She was running around the place saying "Alex birthday Alex 
birthday!"  and this morning she was telling me again that she's two. 
Portrait session scheduled this weekend.  If i take a decent shot I'll 
post it on the web.

Thanks, frank.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

2004-09-09 Thread pnstenquist

Ditto to everything Frank said. A truly great shot. Beautiful color. Interesting 
action, and a fresh perspective.
Paul


> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:57:00 +0100 (BST), Billy Abbott
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
> > 
> > Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
> > festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
> > flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.
> > 
> > comments always welcome
> > 
> 
> Yeah!! I love it!
> 
> I think my expectations had a lot to do with my very pleasant
> surprise:  When I saw the title, I thought, "another cliche'ed shot of
> the reflected image in a car's side mirror".
> 
> BUT NO!  This is of the highly polished back of said mirror!  Very
> clever, very interesting reflection - you caught that pedestrian
> perfectly.  I love the OOF hood (sorry, "bonnet") and windshield of
> the car.  Terrific, muted colours contrast very nicely with the bright
> sunny colours of the reflection.
> 
> Geez, I like this one!!  Great shot.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> -- 
> "It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
> as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt
>

Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

2004-09-09 Thread Christian



frank theriault wrote on 9/9/2004, 11:16 AM:

 > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:57:00 +0100 (BST), Billy Abbott
 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > >
 > > http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
 >
 > Yeah!! I love it!
 >
 > I think my expectations had a lot to do with my very pleasant
 > surprise:  When I saw the title, I thought, "another cliche'ed shot of
 > the reflected image in a car's side mirror".
 >
 > BUT NO!  This is of the highly polished back of said mirror!  Very
 > clever, very interesting reflection - you caught that pedestrian
 > perfectly.  I love the OOF hood (sorry, "bonnet") and windshield of
 > the car.  Terrific, muted colours contrast very nicely with the bright
 > sunny colours of the reflection.
 >
 > Geez, I like this one!!  Great shot.
 >
 > cheers,
 > frank
 >
 >
 > --
 > "It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
 > as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt
 >

What he said!  Great shot and contrast between muted colors and bright 
colors.

-- 
Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PAW: Wing Mirror

I was going to comment but this showed up before I could, so, what Frank 
said.

frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:57:00 +0100 (BST), Billy Abbott
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

http://www.cowfish.org.uk/paw/mirror.html
Taken this weekend when I accidentally wandered into the Regent Street
festival while trying to find some people trying to find a lost river
flowing somewhere beneath the streets of London.
comments always welcome
   

Yeah!! I love it!
I think my expectations had a lot to do with my very pleasant
surprise:  When I saw the title, I thought, "another cliche'ed shot of
the reflected image in a car's side mirror".
BUT NO!  This is of the highly polished back of said mirror!  Very
clever, very interesting reflection - you caught that pedestrian
perfectly.  I love the OOF hood (sorry, "bonnet") and windshield of
the car.  Terrific, muted colours contrast very nicely with the bright
sunny colours of the reflection.
Geez, I like this one!!  Great shot.
cheers,
frank
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Amazing Discovery

Bob W wrote:
Hi,
 

(although I'm really dating myself now,
   

do you invite yourself in for a coffee then 'accidentally' miss the
last bus home?
 

Do you _really_ want the details???
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PAW (s) from My New Toy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > This didn't seem to get to the list apologies if you 
receive it twice
 

I promised more shots from the Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 varifocal so here
they are in no particular order.
As always comments are requested but may be ignored.
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_I_see_you.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Bridge.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Boardwalk.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_kittens.html
   

Looks like a decent lens Peter.I like the boardwalk shot.
Dave

 

Thanks, I kind of wish there had been a human figure to give more sense 
of scale.  When I resized it for the web it began to develop a sort of 
pseudo moire pattern, much better in the original size.

--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Amazing Discovery

Hi,

> (although I'm really dating myself now,

do you invite yourself in for a coffee then 'accidentally' miss the
last bus home?

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PAW (s) from My New Toy

frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:41:52 -0400, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

This didn't seem to get to the list apologies if you receive it twice
I promised more shots from the Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 varifocal so here
they are in no particular order.
As always comments are requested but may be ignored.
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_I_see_you.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Bridge.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Boardwalk.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_kittens.html
   

It showed up twice for me, FWIW.  No problem, because I'm having list
and/or internet/e-mail problems, too.
I like the first one - nice narrow dof, lovely bokeh, I like the
grain.  What film did you use?
 

The execrable Kodak Max 400.  Scans nicely though.  The web size doesn't 
do justice to the full scan. 

The second one (bridge) is the weakest of the bunch, IMHO.  Not a bad
shot, just doesn't say much to me, I guess.
I like the boardwalk photo.  It would be ordinary except for the
shadow.  That really emphasizes the feeling of perspective, IMHO.
Kittens is a lovely informal portrait.  The young lady looks very
relaxed and happy.  Who is she?
 

I don't know her name, she hangs out in the coffee shop I frequent a 
friend of one of the employees. 
She's done some paid modeling for a local pro-photographer IIRC.  (Now, 
now Frank, it's not what you
think, at least it better not be she's probably barely 17).

cheers,
frank

 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: Tyra

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:08:25 -0400, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Funny my baby is 2 today too.  The only difference is that my daughter,
> Alex, has much less hair than Tyra!
> 
> Beautiful dog, and a great portrait.

Happy birthday to Alex!

2nd birthdays are such fun.  At one, they have no idea what's up
(except they know ~something~ neat's happening.  At two, they get
right into it.  I know I don't have to tell you, but have a camera
ready for the obligatory "cake smeared all over the face" shot.  

cheers,
frank

-- 
"It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it
as a hobby." -Eliott Erwitt

Re: PAW: Wing Mirror