greetings...

[SJ]

hi,

season's greetings and hope the new year is everything we all want it
to be

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Cotty]

On 24/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think you are both right Jostein and John. Mother earth as the planet will
>most likely survive. But that won't do us any god. If we let all the
>Cottmobiles loose (God forbid letting the man himself loose) she will
>change. 
>There are a lot of signs that she is changing right now. Into something
>beyond our existence. 

Nothing to do with all of us letting Cottmobiles loose. Everything to do
with applying pressure to countries reluctant to reign in pollution on a
larger scale.



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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[cbwaters]

I think this is the view from McRae.  Looking to the left there you can see 
the peak with the parking lot and bridge.

I'm fat, out of shape and a-feared of places up high with no railing or 
whatever...  This climb was pretty scary in places (I left my companion a 
couple ladders back from here) but OMG, it's worth it to stand way the hell 
up there...

This is one of the photos that Mark and Nico saved for me from a mac-attack.

CW


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> Cotty wrote:
>
>>On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
>>>http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>>
>>Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
>
> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature
> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic
> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming.
> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
>
> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct
> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of
> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather
> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The
> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly
> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and
> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to
> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear
> of heights.
>
> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak.
> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized
> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You
> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The
> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is
> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
>
> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on
> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to
> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized
> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of
> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders
> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking
> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4
> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your
> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a
> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got
> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon
> excursion.
>
> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out
> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the
> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos.
> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when
> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and
> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday
> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jostein Øksne]

IMVHO, Tim:
Even if the climatologists' worst-case scenarios comes to be, the
planet doesn't go beyond supporting human existence.

I have more worries about what humans can do to other humans in the
wake of the climate change. When the location of land suitable for
agriculture has shifted, and a significant part of "advanced"
society's infrastructure is submerged in the big salty, humans will
face a logistical problem, but not extinction.

Jostein

On 12/24/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are both right Jostein and John. Mother earth as the planet will
> most likely survive. But that won't do us any god. If we let all the
> Cottmobiles loose (God forbid letting the man himself loose) she will
> change.
> There are a lot of signs that she is changing right now. Into something
> beyond our existence.
>
> Merry Christmas ;-)
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: 23. desember 2006 21:54
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 09:06:33PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> > I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
> > Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
> > With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
> > blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.
>
> I think you underestimate mother nature.  The entire earth stockpile
> of nuclear weapons looks insignificant when compared to the energy
> in the storms of a major hurricane season.  And the secondary effects
> (dust in the atmosphere, etc.) pale besides the contributions of a
> massive volcanic eruption.
>
> Then, of course, there's a massive meteor strike like the one that
> is currently believed to have hastened the end of the dinosaurs;
> that's thousands of times more devastating than anything we can do.
>
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Cotty]

On 23/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:

>He did not write DC-3, Cotty.

What's a digit between friend ;-)

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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[David Savage]

On 12/24/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 23/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >He did not write DC-3, Cotty.
>
> What's a digit between friend ;-)

Depends how close they are.

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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David J Brooks]

Quoting cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


>
> I'm fat, out of shape and a-feared of places up high with no railing or
> whatever...  > CW

So it looks like me, Walter and Cory could make it up the baby hill at  
least 200 meteres.



Dave
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)
>
>
>> Cotty wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>>>
>>> Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
>>
>> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature
>> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic
>> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming.
>> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
>>
>> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct
>> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of
>> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather
>> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The
>> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly
>> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and
>> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to
>> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear
>> of heights.
>>
>> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak.
>> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized
>> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You
>> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The
>> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is
>> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
>>
>> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on
>> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to
>> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized
>> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of
>> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders
>> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking
>> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4
>> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your
>> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a
>> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got
>> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon
>> excursion.
>>
>> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out
>> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the
>> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos.
>> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when
>> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and
>> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday
>> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
>>
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David J Brooks]

Looking forward to meeting you Paul, as well as Walter, Dave and  
anyone else who have not made it before, or i missed in 2004.

Dave

Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'm planning on it. Who knows what June will bring. My plans were
> layed askew last year, but I'm prepared to try again.
> Paul
> On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Cotty wrote:
>
>> On 23/12/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> I'm in good enough shape to do it, (I run three miles a day), but I
>>> don't like heights. Makes me dizzy.
>>
>> Scuse me Mr Steady, am I given to understand by this that you could be
>> in GFM attendance mode by about June of next year??
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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David J Brooks]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/Grandfather%20Mountain%20NPW%202006/?action=view¤t=group1-5117.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/Grandfather%20Mountain%20NPW%202006/?action=view¤t=group2-5126.jpg

Here is digital proof. Talk amungst your selfes.

:-)

Dave






Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>>
>> ...and beautiful people.
> Obviously you've not seen the photos of the attendees, if you say that...
>
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>> I've seen those pictures before, but I don't think I've told how much I like
>> them.
>> This is my favourite http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>>
>> I wish I had the funds to attend. It sounds like a kinder egg; beautiful
>> nature, talking photography, and beautiful people. It is so tempting that I
>> might do it some day.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Roberts
>> Sent: 23. desember 2006 21:13
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)
>>
>> Walter Hamler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Are most of the photo opportunities
>>> available from the hiking trails, etc?
>>>
>>
>> One of the great advantages of Grandfather Mountain is the variety of
>> photo locations available to people with widely varying abilities and
>> levels of fitness. There are a huge number of great photo spots just a
>> few steps away from a parking spot for your car. Many others just a
>> short (100 meters or so) away from parking areas (and on good trails),
>> as well as places where you have to undertake a couple of hours if
>> hiking over *tough* terrain. There's something for every ability.
>>
>> Here's one taken while standing *in* the parking lot at the top:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_11.htm
>>
>> This one is from just past the swinging bridge and less than 200m from
>> the parking lot:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_01.htm
>> This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
>> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>> This one requires an overnight camp-out on the trail:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>>
>>
>>> I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so
>>>
>> as
>>
>>> long as I take it slow.
>>>
>>
>> You'll have lots of opportunities. And if all else fails, shoot flower
>> macros!
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601792.html
>>
>>
>>
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GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Walter Hamler]

Gee Dave, 200 meters. How far is that?  Me thinks maybe you are giving me 
more credit than I am due! :-)

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Re: What are you cooking?

[Cotty]

Or rather, what are you *not* cooking...




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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf"
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?


Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing
the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do
whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do
not have the power you are imagining we do.

Some of the most respected scientists in the world seem to think we are 
causing a change in the climate.
The northern Inuit are definitely be affected by a warming of their habitat.
Do you know something they don't?


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?



Nothing to do with all of us letting Cottmobiles loose. Everything to do
with applying pressure to countries reluctant to reign in pollution on a
larger scale.



I figure the Kyoto protocol will be enforced by putting a massive tax on the 
end user of motor fuels, on the theory that if you can't afford it, you 
won't buy it.
It's the way our governments do things.
The Kyoto protocol, as well meaning as it is, is fatally flawed on many 
levels.


William Robb




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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[David Savage]

Don't worry Walt, I'm another who's fat & out of shape (although I'm
working to fix it), and uncomfortable with unsecured heights.

If everything goes as planned & I make it to GFM '07 you'll have company.

:-)

Dave

On 12/24/06, Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gee Dave, 200 meters. How far is that?  Me thinks maybe you are giving me
> more credit than I am due! :-)
>
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[David Savage]

On 12/24/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "graywolf"
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>
>
> Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing
> the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do
> whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do
> not have the power you are imagining we do.
>
> Some of the most respected scientists in the world seem to think we are
> causing a change in the climate.
> The northern Inuit are definitely be affected by a warming of their habitat.
> Do you know something they don't?

Apparently man can't adversely affect the environment. Didn't you know
the recent rises in global temperature are all natural phenomenon?

Dave (while it may be the case, we can't be helping the situation)

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Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting

[ann sanfedele]

Ken -
You misunderstand a bit
although I mentioned the neighbors - one factor - I want everything I 
listen to wherever I am in
my apartment to be at a _consistent_ volume -  I'm talking about an 
ideal here... I was amazed
actually, that there was some super techno stuff that actually could 
accomplish this out there
already.  

I have speakers trailing from the TV to the kitchen /bathroom area so I 
can get up during commercials
and still know when the show starts again.  I never sit in one spot for 
more than about 20 minutes
watching anything.  earphones would be like being on a leash.  

well - I need to get out of here - still have packages to wrap... the 
house is a disaster and I
have company tomorrow.  

Have a Merry!
ann



Kenneth Waller wrote:

>Ann
>Have you given earphones a thought? Probably a lot cheaper than some of the 
>devices the list has suggested.
>
>Kenneth Waller
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting
>
>
>  
>
>>Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios.
>>Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to
>>build in, rather hard to add on.
>>
>>
>>ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Digital Image Studio wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm
more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility
may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression
and some even compress regular program material rly extensively.
But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a
far higher compression than the program material so that the actual
volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB.
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>>>So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply
>>>to your TV
>>>that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have
>>>adjusted it
>>>to the level you can hear.   If they can build rockets to go to the
>>>moon why not?
>>>
>>>ann
>>>
>>>
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[P. J. Alling]

That might depend upon the digit, one would suppose...

Cotty wrote:
> On 23/12/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> He did not write DC-3, Cotty.
>> 
>
> What's a digit between friend ;-)
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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

One more thing: The list climate has been hot lately. 

I don't want to go to war over the weather, it will just make it hotter. 

Peace folks. And Good Light :-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim
Øsleby
Sent: 24. desember 2006 04:30
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

May I ask a question in return? 
Suffering from a guilt complex, are you? 

No reason being sarcastic on my behalf simply because you disagree. 

Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
graywolf
Sent: 24. desember 2006 03:03
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing 
the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do 
whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do 
not have the power you are imagining we do.

But I guess it helps to feel like someone somewhere is in control. 
However, I have come to terms with the fact that I am insignificant.



Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the
idea
> of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
> growing faster than ever. 
> 
> I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
> than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
> process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

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Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting

[Mark Roberts]

ann sanfedele wrote:

>earphones would be like being on a leash.  

Not if you got wireless earphones (they come with an infra-red 
transmitter)!


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[P. J. Alling]

And some have recently changed their minds and decided that we probably 
aren't.  Mars is also in a 10+ year warming trend, (we don't really have 
good data for a longer period), are we causing that too? 

It's all moot, really.  The much touted Kyoto accords wouldn't make any 
real difference even it they were implemented.  No one would be willing 
to take the political repercussions if something that might actually be 
effective were attempted. 

Think about it after they wreck their own economies, European American 
and Japanese troops will be invading Brazil to save the rain forest, or 
China to enforce CO2 emissions regulations?  Lets be real. 

Oh I forgot we're talking about the international community here, we'll 
talk these governments into doing something suicidal, and they'll all 
agree.  Then if a country is big and powerful it cheats, if it's small 
and weak it gets screwed. 

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "graywolf"
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>
>
> Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing
> the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do
> whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do
> not have the power you are imagining we do.
>
> Some of the most respected scientists in the world seem to think we are 
> causing a change in the climate.
> The northern Inuit are definitely be affected by a warming of their habitat.
> Do you know something they don't?
>
>
> William Robb 
>
>
>
>   


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Battery Technology Improvements

[Doug Franklin]

According to this article:

Battery makers recharge their lineups


The various battery makers are upgrading the technology in their 
rechargeable batteries and the new products are already appearing with 
more to come in the new year.  They specifically mention the Eneloop 
batteries from Sanyo.  The focus of the improvements seems to be in two 
areas, mainly: (1) have the batteries arrive charged out of the package 
and (2) reduce self-discharge.

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Re: Mmm about K100D / K10D upgrades ...

[Doug Franklin]

Thibouille wrote:
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=21362909
> 

Roland used to be a regular on the PDML, and may still lurk for all I 
know.  I hope his information is correct.

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" 

> Oh I forgot we're talking about the international community here, we'll 
> talk these governments into doing something suicidal, and they'll all 
> agree.  Then if a country is big and powerful it cheats, if it's small 
> and weak it gets screwed. 
>

That is the way it works.


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage"
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?


> Apparently man can't adversely affect the environment. Didn't you know
> the recent rises in global temperature are all natural phenomenon?
>

There is something to be said for this theory as well.
Both sides of the debate have political motivations, I don't trust either 
side to be honest.

William Robb 



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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[graywolf]

Yes, I can read.

It is not as warm today as it was a 1000 years ago. But then I go 
through this every time the global warming crap comes up here on the 
list, why don't you guys remember what I wrote, even if you don't agree 
with it. I sure remember the doomsayers here a year ago, and 5 years a 
go, and elsewhere 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, and 50 years ago. Before that I 
was not personally paying attention. However, I read that they have been 
singing their "it is all going to hell in a hand basket" song for the 
past 20,000 years or so, probably longer but there are no records of 
what they were saying. I remember reading that all life would be wiped 
from the face of the earth by 1966; funny, the afterlife seems no 
different from real life.

In fact things have improved in just my lifetime. People did not used to 
wear hats and topcoats for the weather, they wore them to keep the soot 
and dirt off their hair and indoor cloths. You could not swim in, or eat 
fish from the Great Lakes. The little guy has done more than his share, 
it is time to make the big guys pony their share. Why should the guy who 
can barely feed his family have to buy a new car that will meet current 
emissions standards, while Duke Power dumps ten-twenty times as much 
crap in the air as all the cars in the state of NC? (Retorical question, 
I know damn well, why.) And for you anti-technology types, pick out 
which 90% of your friends and reletives you are willing to kill to go 
back to the uncomfortable, miserable, disease ridden, hungry, era. I 
would rather breath auto exhaust than coal soot, and powdered horse 
shit. And I have no intention of living with the livestock because the 
keep the house warmer. And how about not naming the baby until it was 
two because it probably would not live long enough to need a name? "The 
GOOD OLD DAYS" never were.

I have been thinking lately about my parents generation. The went 
through the depression, WWII, Korea, and the A-bomb scares yet 
maintained a "things are getting better" outlook. You people who have 
never been hungry, scared, homeless, nor hopeless think the world is 
falling apart.

In my life I have met there people who thought they were wealthy. The 
first said. "I owe 5 million dollars, so I must be rich". The second 
said, "Those idiots are paying me $14 an hour to do nothing, as long as 
I have that job, I'd be crazy not to be happy". The third said, "When I 
need it, God, will see that it is there". The other businessment around 
the first was screaming the the were being driven into the poorhouse. 
Those other factory workers around the second were screaming that they 
were overworked and underpaid. The other people around the third were 
too busy trying to survive to take the time to scream anything.

Have you (general you) ever thought about the fact that we here are this 
list are so well off that we are only bothered by things that do not 
affect us directly. The other 80% of the people in the world should have 
it so good.




William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "graywolf"
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
> 
> 
> Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing
> the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do
> whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do
> not have the power you are imagining we do.
> 
> Some of the most respected scientists in the world seem to think we are 
> causing a change in the climate.
> The northern Inuit are definitely be affected by a warming of their habitat.
> Do you know something they don't?
> 
> 
> William Robb 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[David Savage]

On 12/25/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage"
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>
>
> > Apparently man can't adversely affect the environment. Didn't you know
> > the recent rises in global temperature are all natural phenomenon?
> >
>
> There is something to be said for this theory as well.
> Both sides of the debate have political motivations, I don't trust either
> side to be honest.
>
> William Robb

Whatever the cause, the fact remains that life on this here rock is
going to get increasingly uncomfortable in many places.

Already we're seeing less rain, and as a result fresh water supplies
are becoming a big issue here. It doesn't matter if the lack of
rainfall is due to man's influence or not. Wasteful habits have to
change.

Cheers & Merry Christmas,

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Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[Walter Hamler]

I was trying out the slow sync(second curtain) flash last evening with the 
K10D. I don't think it is working properly. When the shutter speed is around 
1 sec so you can see what is going on, the flash discharged when the shutter 
is first tripped, then is discharged a second time with the trailing 
curtain. I thought there should only be one discharge, at the second 
curtain. Am I missing something?

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Re: Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The first flash is the pre-flash used in P-TTL for integrated flash/ 
ambient TTL metering purposes before the mirror swings up.

The second flash is actual flash made for the exposure, approx 1/250  
second before the second curtain begins to close.

Godfrey

On Dec 24, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:

> I was trying out the slow sync(second curtain) flash last evening  
> with the
> K10D. I don't think it is working properly. When the shutter speed  
> is around
> 1 sec so you can see what is going on, the flash discharged when  
> the shutter
> is first tripped, then is discharged a second time with the trailing
> curtain. I thought there should only be one discharge, at the second
> curtain. Am I missing something?


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[graywolf]

Oh we effect the environment on the macro level, it is on the global 
level that I have my doubts. Billions of people have to warm the 
environment some, but then we have killed billions of 4 legged critters 
that use to roam the globe, so that is probably a wash. No one but a 
self-serving fool thinks we do not affect the environment. But anyone 
who has a decent concept of numbers will realize that we do not account 
for more than about one-percent of the effect.

The thing is that almost everything we use is already here in the world. 
We, with much effort and expense, glean it from the earth and 
concentrate it to a point where we can use it. But if it was fully 
dispersed again it would cause no more problem than it did before we 
went looking for it. We are not gods, we do not make anything. What we 
are a artisans, who take something that is already there and shape it 
into something useful to us.

On one side you have the exploiters, on the other you have the 
environmentalists, both in my opinion are dangerous extremists. The 
proper path is as almost always the middle one, a balanced one. However 
the middle way is unpopular with both sides leaving it in a minority 
position, so what we end up with is a teeter-totter effect as one side 
or the other has its way. I guess in the long run that is better than 
one or the other having its own way all the time .



David Savage wrote:

> 
> Apparently man can't adversely affect the environment. Didn't you know
> the recent rises in global temperature are all natural phenomenon?
> 
> Dave (while it may be the case, we can't be helping the situation)
> 

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[graywolf]

Oh, my god, you mean we are polluting Mars too?





P. J. Alling wrote:
> And some have recently changed their minds and decided that we probably 
> aren't.  Mars is also in a 10+ year warming trend, (we don't really have 
> good data for a longer period), are we causing that too? 

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 24, 2006, at 11:56 AM, graywolf wrote:

> Oh we effect the environment on the macro level, it is on the global
> level that I have my doubts. Billions of people have to warm the
> environment some, but then we have killed billions of 4 legged  
> critters
> that use to roam the globe, so that is probably a wash. No one but a
> self-serving fool thinks we do not affect the environment. But anyone
> who has a decent concept of numbers will realize that we do not  
> account
> for more than about one-percent of the effect.

I read recently that when Mt. St. Helens blew it put more greenhouse  
gasses into the atmosphere than humans have in their entire history.   
And, compared to Tamboro (1815) and Krakatoa (1883), Mt. St. Helens  
was a pimple.  Tamboro and Krakatoa affected the weather, but only  
for a few years.

I think global warming, if it is happening at all, is part of a  
natural cycle that human activity has nothing to do with.  We'd be  
much better off turning our time and energy into getting rid of  
mercury pollution in our oceans.  Now there's a genuine danger that  
no one is doing much about.

Bob

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Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[Walter Hamler]

Thanks Godders. That makes sense, I guess.
BTW, I got my Sigma flash back from Sigma for repairs/update. It now works 
with the K10D for regular ttl flash, but not with the second curtain. 
However, I don't think this cheaper model had that in the inventory from the 
beginning. The higher end "deluxe" version does.
Sometimes next year I will get a 540 that will work better. Hopefully there 
will be a firmware update soon that allows using the built in flash for 
triggering the off camera flash. 


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Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting

[graywolf]

The local Big Lots has wireless headphones for $15. I can not imagine 
why anyone would want speakers from their TV into other rooms, the HIFI, 
yes, but not the TV. Of course I have only owned a TV for a week or so.

So far, I have seen nothing on Channels 2 thru 23 that is worth 
watching. So when I have to get up for something, I hit the stop button 
on the DVD remote.


ann sanfedele wrote:
> Ken -
> You misunderstand a bit
> although I mentioned the neighbors - one factor - I want everything I 
> listen to wherever I am in
> my apartment to be at a _consistent_ volume -  I'm talking about an 
> ideal here... I was amazed
> actually, that there was some super techno stuff that actually could 
> accomplish this out there
> already.  
> 
> I have speakers trailing from the TV to the kitchen /bathroom area so I 
> can get up during commercials
> and still know when the show starts again.  I never sit in one spot for 
> more than about 20 minutes
> watching anything.  earphones would be like being on a leash.  
> 
> well - I need to get out of here - still have packages to wrap... the 
> house is a disaster and I
> have company tomorrow.  
> 
> Have a Merry!
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
>> Ann
>> Have you given earphones a thought? Probably a lot cheaper than some of the 
>> devices the list has suggested.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Automatic volume control? Used to be pretty much standard on AM Radios.
>>> Seems to have disappeared from modern audio. Rather simple circuit to
>>> build in, rather hard to add on.
>>>
>>>
>>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Digital Image Studio wrote:

  

> I'm a broadcast engineer (currently part time radio broadcast) so I'm
> more than a little familiar with these issues. Each broadcast facility
> may have a set of adopted standards for advertising audio compression
> and some even compress regular program material rly extensively.
> But virtually all commercial broadcasters broadcast commercials at a
> far higher compression than the program material so that the actual
> volume on the receiver may increase by 3 to 6dB.
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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>
>
>
>
 So what I want someone to invent is a little gadget that you can apply
 to your TV
 that keeps the volume absolutely at the same at all times once you have
 adjusted it
 to the level you can hear.   If they can build rockets to go to the
 moon why not?

 ann


  

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[David Savage]

It's them damn NASA rovers that are doing it.



Dave

On 12/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, my god, you mean we are polluting Mars too?
>
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Happy Yuletide!

[graywolf]

As your Shaman, I have determined that the sun is coming back, and 
declare twelve days of visiting, feasting, and merriment just as we have 
done for the past ten thousand years.


Interesting information on the word Yule,
http://www.cauldronfarm.com/asphodel/articles/Yule_Is_Not_The_Wheel.html


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PAW 2006 - 44 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A classic sunset scene in Green River, Wyoming ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/44.htm

Comments, critique appreciated; flames would have been nice as it was  
about 26 F degrees when I took this one!

enjoy
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OT: Merry Christmas

[David Savage]

Well it's 3am X-mas morning and I've just finished printing my cards
(I'm a world class procrastinator :-).

I thought I'd take this opportunity before I turn in, to wish everyone
on the PDML the very best. I hope you all have a great day & a happy &
healthy new year.


Cheers,

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Re: PAW 2006 - 44 - GDG

[Rick Womer]

Godfrey,

Nice, but it's either a bit too straight or a bit too
crooked.

Happy Holidays,

Rick

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> A classic sunset scene in Green River, Wyoming ...
> 
>   
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/44.htm
> 
> Comments, critique appreciated; flames would have
> been nice as it was  
> about 26 F degrees when I took this one!
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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Re: TV volume, was: My holiday greeting

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 10:35:28AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> ann sanfedele wrote:
> 
> >earphones would be like being on a leash.  
> 
> Not if you got wireless earphones (they come with an infra-red 
> transmitter)!
> 

Those ones are mostly useless - they require line-of-sight.
Anytime they work you're close enough to the TV to hear it
(their main use is for watching the TV without disturbing
others).  But you can get various other kinds of wireless
headphones - we've got several sets from Accoustic Research
(my wife uses a pair at work so she isn't tethered to her
desk, but can still get up to get at the filing cabinets).
I've also got a pair that use Bluetooth technology, although
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Re: OT: Merry Christmas

[Perry Pellechia]

Come on over here, you'll still have more than ten hours left before
Christmas 8-)

Happy Holidays to you and all of PDML!

On 12/24/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well it's 3am X-mas morning and I've just finished printing my cards
> (I'm a world class procrastinator :-).
>
> I thought I'd take this opportunity before I turn in, to wish everyone
> on the PDML the very best. I hope you all have a great day & a happy &
> healthy new year.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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MerryChristmasHoHHo

[Shel Belinkoff]

A warm and wonderful Merry Christmas greeting to all those who embrace and
celebrate the holiday.

Tonight I'm going to my first ever Christmas Eve dinner.  We're having
Indian food prepared by an Armenian cook who grew up and learned her craft
in Jerusalem.  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon from
Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a 1978 Mt.
Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot Grigio. 
That should have us covered pretty well.

I also made a simple rice pudding desert, made with Basmati rice and
flavored with cardamom and rose water. 

Happy Holiday to all ...


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Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Steve Farnham]

 
>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
environment. Didn't you know
>> the recent rises in global temperature are all
natural phenomenon?
>>  
 
>There is something to be said for this theory as
well.
>Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>I don't trust either 
>side to be honest.
 
>William Robb 


Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
many of them are politically motivated.

Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
years learning the underlying science and more years
studying the climate by actually going out and
measuring things, and in general are not political,
pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
global climactic change and that the change may become
irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
than anything else.

So, people who don't know what they're talking about
claim that the people who do know what they're talking
about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?

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Re: OT: Merry Christmas

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Good job! I got mine finished just last night too.

G

On Dec 24, 2006, at 9:58 AM, David Savage wrote:

> Well it's 3am X-mas morning and I've just finished printing my cards
> (I'm a world class procrastinator :-).
>
> I thought I'd take this opportunity before I turn in, to wish everyone
> on the PDML the very best. I hope you all have a great day & a happy &
> healthy new year.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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RE: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Well stated  thank you for posting that.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Farnham

> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
> many of them are politically motivated.
>
> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
> years learning the underlying science and more years
> studying the climate by actually going out and
> measuring things, and in general are not political,
> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
> global climactic change and that the change may become
> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
> than anything else.
>
> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?



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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

Valid points. 

And those logistical problems can lead to wars. 

One thing that worries me is that we, in our search for alternative fuels,
use agricultural land to produce fuel instead of food. 
Poverty can be dangerous. Not only for the less fortunate. 

Speaking of food. Enough of this depressing debate. My pinnekjøtt is
shouting for me. 


Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 24. desember 2006 11:35
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IMVHO, Tim:
Even if the climatologists' worst-case scenarios comes to be, the
planet doesn't go beyond supporting human existence.

I have more worries about what humans can do to other humans in the
wake of the climate change. When the location of land suitable for
agriculture has shifted, and a significant part of "advanced"
society's infrastructure is submerged in the big salty, humans will
face a logistical problem, but not extinction.

Jostein

On 12/24/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are both right Jostein and John. Mother earth as the planet
will
> most likely survive. But that won't do us any god. If we let all the
> Cottmobiles loose (God forbid letting the man himself loose) she will
> change.
> There are a lot of signs that she is changing right now. Into something
> beyond our existence.
>
> Merry Christmas ;-)
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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> Francis
> Sent: 23. desember 2006 21:54
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>
> On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 09:06:33PM +0100, Jostein ?ksne wrote:
> > I share your worries, Tim, but not the reasoning. :-)
> > Mother earth will do well even with all the crap we can throw at her.
> > With possible exception of a massive nuclear war, she has taken worse
> > blows before and just brought new life forms into existence.
>
> I think you underestimate mother nature.  The entire earth stockpile
> of nuclear weapons looks insignificant when compared to the energy
> in the storms of a major hurricane season.  And the secondary effects
> (dust in the atmosphere, etc.) pale besides the contributions of a
> massive volcanic eruption.
>
> Then, of course, there's a massive meteor strike like the one that
> is currently believed to have hastened the end of the dinosaurs;
> that's thousands of times more devastating than anything we can do.
>
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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

Haven't had access to the link, but see my reply to Cotty. 

About the Koyoto protocol. Everything involving taxes is provoking. I can
understand your arguments. But generally I don't agree ;-) 

I'm not too fond of paying taxes either. 

But, do you have any better solutions? 
I don't. Therefore, in lack of them, I accept the protocol. 


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- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"
Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?



Nothing to do with all of us letting Cottmobiles loose. Everything to do
with applying pressure to countries reluctant to reign in pollution on a
larger scale.



I figure the Kyoto protocol will be enforced by putting a massive tax on the

end user of motor fuels, on the theory that if you can't afford it, you 
won't buy it.
It's the way our governments do things.
The Kyoto protocol, as well meaning as it is, is fatally flawed on many 
levels.


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Also a hollyday wish

[Tim Øsleby]

Tom.
I'm offline now at work, and I am wondering if this message of mine came out
a bit too strong.
I felt you went for the man instead of the ball, and then I did the same in
return. That's a stupid thing to do. Sorry about that. 

Our opinions differs, that's obvious. But Tom and others.

I am aware of the theories around the disappearance of the dinosaurs. They
may be right, but it is unproven theories. I'm also very aware the natural
changes in the climate. That's more than theories, it seems like facts.

Just for the sake of the argumentation, let us say that both meteor theory
and natural changes are correct. This does not implicate that human activity
does not have an impact. It proves nothing. 
Folks, please don't confuse theories with proves when making an argument.

On the other hand we do have some knowledge about the ecosystem. We know
that ecosystem is the sum of other systems. Some systems working together,
others are working against each other. All these systems make a very
delicate balance. 
(By using the word knowledge I'm not saying that this is proven, I'm only
suggesting that I'm referring very strong theories)

And Tom. I do suggest that we try to do something about what seem to be a
new situation. That may be wrong, and it may be stupid. But it does not mean
that I have a god complex. 
On the contrary, it means that I see myself as a tiny bit, or more a
fragment, no, more like a fragment of a fragment of something larger and
more important than myself. 

But unlike you Tom (it seem that), I see myself as a part of a system. 
The nature of a system is that every fragment, large or not, has an impact
of the circle. 

BTW. System theories have impact on a lot of other theories, including eco
theories. They are also used to describe social relations like families and
societies or organisations. What makes them so interesting is that they
describe and leads to an interesting understanding of almost anything
organic, and a lot of mechanical stuff, including engines ;-)
Being offline, I'm not able to pick references out of my hat at the moment,
but if you are interested, I could probably find something later. 


I also wish you all an Organic Hollyday ;-)


Tim
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-Original Message-
From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24. desember 2006 04:30
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

May I ask a question in return? 
Suffering from a guilt complex, are you? 

No reason being sarcastic on my behalf simply because you disagree. 

Tim
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Sent: 24. desember 2006 03:03
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Ah, suffering from a bit of a god complex, are you? We must be causing 
the world to do this and that? Got news, the world is going to do 
whatever the world wants to do, including exterminating mankind. We do 
not have the power you are imagining we do.

But I guess it helps to feel like someone somewhere is in control. 
However, I have come to terms with the fact that I am insignificant.



Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Seriously I find the weather situation a lot more disturbing, than the
idea
> of a converted Knarf. In the north it is raining and the desserts are
> growing faster than ever. 
> 
> I am convinced we need to take a grip on this. It is a lot more dangerous
> than terrorists. Mother earth is suffering, if we don't act soon, the
> process could accelerate out of control. This scares the shit out of me.

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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

One thing first, "God forbid letting the man himself loose" was nothing but
a joke. I have nothing against you Cotty. You are a splendid chap, splendid
indeed. 

Another thing. I could have used my own car as an example too. But the thing
is, mine is a small car. It is far from clean, but using less fuel. 

I did not have time to check your link Cotty (now I'm off line again), but I
assume it refers to a big time polluting source (I will check the link
later). I also assume you have a valid point. But the thing is that
pollution adds up. Many off the single sources have little significance
alone, but together they do make a problem. So I do believe we need to deal
with them too.

For me personally it means that I need to use my legs more and my car less.
And I am working at it. I lived without a car for two years. As my situation
is now, I have a car. When my life changes again, I may go back to living
without one.

And to all Cottymobile owners. I _can_ respect owning and using a
Cottymobile, as long as you really need it, and don't use too much. 

Ok folks. This is my regular pattern. I feel strongly, and I make some
strong statements at first. After a while, I usually come back saying what I
really meant. This can be annoying, but that's me ;-)

In other words. I only shoot blanks when shooting Cottymobile owners ;-)
Enjoy your ride.


Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cotty
Sent: 24. desember 2006 11:14
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On 24/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I think you are both right Jostein and John. Mother earth as the planet
will
>most likely survive. But that won't do us any god. If we let all the
>Cottmobiles loose (God forbid letting the man himself loose) she will
>change. 
>There are a lot of signs that she is changing right now. Into something
>beyond our existence. 

Nothing to do with all of us letting Cottmobiles loose. Everything to do
with applying pressure to countries reluctant to reign in pollution on a
larger scale.



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Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[K.Takeshita]

On 12/24/06 1:59 PM, "Steve Farnham", <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What does that tell you?

It tells me that a possibility of me dying from hitting my head at a sharp
corner of "Tofu" would be far greater than dying from climate change in my
life time.

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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

Are they driven by petrol? 
Ok then. Nuke them ;-)


Tim
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Sent: 24. desember 2006 18:37
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Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

It's them damn NASA rovers that are doing it.



Dave

On 12/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, my god, you mean we are polluting Mars too?
>
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RE: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

>What does that tell you?
Honestly? It confuses me. 


Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 24. desember 2006 19:59
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?


 
>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
environment. Didn't you know
>> the recent rises in global temperature are all
natural phenomenon?
>>  
 
>There is something to be said for this theory as
well.
>Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>I don't trust either 
>side to be honest.
 
>William Robb 


Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
many of them are politically motivated.

Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
years learning the underlying science and more years
studying the climate by actually going out and
measuring things, and in general are not political,
pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
global climactic change and that the change may become
irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
than anything else.

So, people who don't know what they're talking about
claim that the people who do know what they're talking
about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?

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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Shel

Have a great holiday yourself

Dave

Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> A warm and wonderful Merry Christmas greeting to all those who embrace and
> celebrate the holiday.
>
> Tonight I'm going to my first ever Christmas Eve dinner.  We're having
> Indian food prepared by an Armenian cook who grew up and learned her craft
> in Jerusalem.  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon from
> Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a 1978 Mt.
> Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot Grigio.
> That should have us covered pretty well.
>
> I also made a simple rice pudding desert, made with Basmati rice and
> flavored with cardamom and rose water.
>
> Happy Holiday to all ...
>
>
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RE: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jack Davis]

As stated, it means that it can apply to either viewpoint.
Well said!

Jack
--- Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >What does that tell you?
> Honestly? It confuses me. 
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> Steve Farnham
> Sent: 24. desember 2006 19:59
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
> 
> 
>  
> >> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
> environment. Didn't you know
> >> the recent rises in global temperature are all
> natural phenomenon?
> >>  
>  
> >There is something to be said for this theory as
> well.
> >Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
> >I don't trust either 
> >side to be honest.
>  
> >William Robb 
> 
> 
> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
> many of them are politically motivated.
> 
> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
> years learning the underlying science and more years
> studying the climate by actually going out and
> measuring things, and in general are not political,
> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
> global climactic change and that the change may become
> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
> than anything else.
> 
> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
> 
> Steve Farnham
> 
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Re: Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[David J Brooks]

Is it the 500 DG Super you had upgraded, Walter.?

I have not heard back from Gentek(Sigma North) about my request for  
upgradeing my 500dg super.

Dave

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> Thanks Godders. That makes sense, I guess.
> BTW, I got my Sigma flash back from Sigma for repairs/update. It now works
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> beginning. The higher end "deluxe" version does.
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Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Adam Maas]

Steve Farnham wrote:
>  
>>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
> environment. Didn't you know
>>> the recent rises in global temperature are all
> natural phenomenon?
>>>  
>  
>> There is something to be said for this theory as
> well.
>> Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>> I don't trust either 
>> side to be honest.
>  
>> William Robb 
> 
> 
> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
> many of them are politically motivated.
> 
> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
> years learning the underlying science and more years
> studying the climate by actually going out and
> measuring things, and in general are not political,
> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
> global climactic change and that the change may become
> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
> than anything else.
> 
> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
> 
> Steve Farnham
> 
> 

Actually, there's a reasonable amount of dispute among the experts as 
well. And it's a fairly politically-influenced area of study.

Until someone comes up with a very fine-grained model of the climate 
which regresses properly, this will be in dispute. The current models 
have distinct issues (Either regression, or cell sizes significantly 
larger than certain improtant microclimates like Panama [which has three 
seperate climatic regions within an area smaller than the typical cell 
size for a computer climate model).

There's a fair bit of data to suggest human influence. There's also a 
fair bit which suggests it's minimal. And nobody has a good solar 
radiation model (We've only got around 30 years of good data for that, 
far too small a sample for good predictions given what we know of solar 
output cycles). That issue may take hundreds of years to resolve, as we 
know there are certain solar output cycles that are in the several 
hundred year range (like the Maunder Minimum).

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RE: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Tim Øsleby]

I think we can agree on that the scientific prognoses on this topic are
unsure. Politics is one factor. The lack of data is another. 

The question is, can we afford to wait? 


Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
Maas
Sent: 24. desember 2006 21:39
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Steve Farnham wrote:
>  
>>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
> environment. Didn't you know
>>> the recent rises in global temperature are all
> natural phenomenon?
>>>  
>  
>> There is something to be said for this theory as
> well.
>> Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>> I don't trust either 
>> side to be honest.
>  
>> William Robb 
> 
> 
> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
> many of them are politically motivated.
> 
> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
> years learning the underlying science and more years
> studying the climate by actually going out and
> measuring things, and in general are not political,
> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
> global climactic change and that the change may become
> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
> than anything else.
> 
> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
> 
> Steve Farnham
> 
> 

Actually, there's a reasonable amount of dispute among the experts as 
well. And it's a fairly politically-influenced area of study.

Until someone comes up with a very fine-grained model of the climate 
which regresses properly, this will be in dispute. The current models 
have distinct issues (Either regression, or cell sizes significantly 
larger than certain improtant microclimates like Panama [which has three 
seperate climatic regions within an area smaller than the typical cell 
size for a computer climate model).

There's a fair bit of data to suggest human influence. There's also a 
fair bit which suggests it's minimal. And nobody has a good solar 
radiation model (We've only got around 30 years of good data for that, 
far too small a sample for good predictions given what we know of solar 
output cycles). That issue may take hundreds of years to resolve, as we 
know there are certain solar output cycles that are in the several 
hundred year range (like the Maunder Minimum).

-Adam

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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[John Francis]

On Sun, Dec 24, 2006 at 10:40:47AM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
>   .  .  .  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon from
> Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a 1978 Mt.
> Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot Grigio. 
> That should have us covered pretty well.

I'm sure you'll enjoy those.  Personally I think that you often end up
paying a premium for the Coppola name on the label; comparable bottles
from less well-known names can be found at perhaps two thirds the price.
I'd suspect that is even more likely for the 1985, which is the first
year of production for the Rubicon, and thus has some collector value.


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Re: Pentax glass

[j]

Yes, I am serious, that I have all this glass and 
more, if that is what you mean ? or if you mean, 
am I thinking of selling ??, I am leaning toward 
it, because if Pentax is going and there will be 
no pro digital body,something like a digital LX, 
but better, I will stick with Nikon. I worked as 
a photojournalist for the last 26 years for a 
newspaper and I used my own equipment up until 
2001(because I had better glass than the paper) 
when the paper when digital with D1's and Nikon Glass..


At 08:03 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>j are you serious or pulling out legs?
>
>A135/1.8 - $1,500+
>A15/3.5 - $650+
>K18/3.5 - $350+
>A16/2.8 fisheye - $350+?
>A200/4 Macro - $1,100+
>K1000/11 Reflex - ??$750+??
>
>Regards,  Bob S.
>
>On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18
> > F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro,
> > 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
> >
> > At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
> > >Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
> > >Paul
> > >On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
> > > > K200/2.5 - $500+
> > > > A200/2.8 - $750+
> > > > A300/2.8 - $1,500+
> > > > M300/4 - $500+
> > > > A50/1.2 - $350+
> > > > K105/2.8 - $250+
> > > >
> > > > Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
> > > > Regards, Bob S.
> > > >
> > > > On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
> > > >> F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
> > > >> are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
> > > >> me without looking in the boxes ???
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
> > > >>> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
> > > >>> offer you
> > > >>> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to pay
> > > >>> the postage!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Peter
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  What have you got?
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> > >  I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
> > >  shouldn't
> > >  be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
> > > 
> > >  :-)
> > > 
> > >  Dave
> > > 
> > >  On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high end
> > > > Pentax glass, as I still have not bought a digital body in the
> > > > Pentax
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Re: Pentax glass

[j]

Yes, I do have the A100mm F2.8 auto focus macro, 
also 50mm F2.8 macro and 100mm F4.0 macro and some newer auto focus glass...


At 08:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>j, I am surprised you have no A100/2.8 macro. I have one if you are
>looking to expand your collection of the best Pentax glass...I also
>note you have nothing less than 10-15 years old. I have a few newer
>lenses for sale.
>
>
>On Dec 23, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>
>Stan
>
>
> > j are you serious or pulling out legs?
> >
> > A135/1.8 - $1,500+
> > A15/3.5 - $650+
> > K18/3.5 - $350+
> > A16/2.8 fisheye - $350+?
> > A200/4 Macro - $1,100+
> > K1000/11 Reflex - ??$750+??
> >
> > Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> > On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18
> >> F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro,
> >> 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
> >>
> >> At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
> >>> Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
> >>> Paul
> >>> On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >>>
>  A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
>  K200/2.5 - $500+
>  A200/2.8 - $750+
>  A300/2.8 - $1,500+
>  M300/4 - $500+
>  A50/1.2 - $350+
>  K105/2.8 - $250+
> 
>  Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
>  Regards, Bob S.
> 
>  On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
> > F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
> > are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
> > me without looking in the boxes ???
> >
> >
> > At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
> >> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
> >> offer you
> >> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to
> >> pay
> >> the postage!
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> What have you got?
> >>>
> >>> I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
> >>> shouldn't
> >>> be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high
>  end
>  Pentax glass, as I still have not bought a digital body in the
>  Pentax
>  brand, however I do have a Nikon D1x and D100..What do you
>  think ??? jay
> 
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Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[Walter Hamler]

It is the 500 DG-ST, the "basic" version. I have been pretty happy with it 
since it puts out a lot more light than the built in flash. The folks in New 
York were very quick and did it under warranty.

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Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Adam Maas]

Based on known historical climates, yes. Depending on how fast it warms 
up, we can wait 10-50 years before it's a real issue.

Remember, grain was once a cash crop in Greenland.

-Adam


Tim Øsleby wrote:
> I think we can agree on that the scientific prognoses on this topic are
> unsure. Politics is one factor. The lack of data is another. 
> 
> The question is, can we afford to wait? 
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
> Maas
> Sent: 24. desember 2006 21:39
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
> 
> Steve Farnham wrote:
>>  
 Apparently man can't adversely affect the
>> environment. Didn't you know
 the recent rises in global temperature are all
>> natural phenomenon?
  
>>  
>>> There is something to be said for this theory as
>> well.
>>> Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
>>> I don't trust either 
>>> side to be honest.
>>  
>>> William Robb 
>>
>> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
>> many of them are politically motivated.
>>
>> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
>> years learning the underlying science and more years
>> studying the climate by actually going out and
>> measuring things, and in general are not political,
>> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
>> global climactic change and that the change may become
>> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
>> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
>> than anything else.
>>
>> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
>> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
>> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
>>
>> Steve Farnham
>>
>>
> 
> Actually, there's a reasonable amount of dispute among the experts as 
> well. And it's a fairly politically-influenced area of study.
> 
> Until someone comes up with a very fine-grained model of the climate 
> which regresses properly, this will be in dispute. The current models 
> have distinct issues (Either regression, or cell sizes significantly 
> larger than certain improtant microclimates like Panama [which has three 
> seperate climatic regions within an area smaller than the typical cell 
> size for a computer climate model).
> 
> There's a fair bit of data to suggest human influence. There's also a 
> fair bit which suggests it's minimal. And nobody has a good solar 
> radiation model (We've only got around 30 years of good data for that, 
> far too small a sample for good predictions given what we know of solar 
> output cycles). That issue may take hundreds of years to resolve, as we 
> know there are certain solar output cycles that are in the several 
> hundred year range (like the Maunder Minimum).
> 
> -Adam
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Also a hollyday wish

[graywolf]

I am sorry you took my comment as a personal attack. It was not meant to 
be. I was trying to make the point that we humans are not all that 
powerful. We mean little in the greater scheme of things. We get to 
thinking that we have more effect than we have. There is a name for that 
in German, I think, Weltscherz (?). It seems to be kind of a normal 
human emotion.



Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Tom.
> I'm offline now at work, and I am wondering if this message of mine came out
> a bit too strong.
> I felt you went for the man instead of the ball, and then I did the same in
> return. That's a stupid thing to do. Sorry about that. 

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Merry Chrismouse!

[Mark Roberts]

Lisa's mother made us some decorations for the mantelpiece. Apparently, 
these Christmas mice are a sort of tradition in her family.
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Re: Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Bob Sullivan]

Steve,

I'm a quantitative, measurable kind of guy with a background and love
of science.  I see what you are saying, but recognize that 'Science'
is much more political than most any scientist will admit.  Ths
scientific establishment dismissed/burried Einstein for nearly 20
years before it acknowledged he was right.  The experimantal results
finally overwhelmed the prevailing theories.

In this case, I am a bit suspicious.  The climatologists have way too
much incentive to find that 'The Sky Is Falling!'  If it is, they are
terribly important people and we must pay absolute attention to
everything they say.  If it isn't, then their work is just another
'ho-hum' fact in the ebb and flow of our planet.

Now what outcome do you think those who study climate would favor for
their careers?  Only actual results will tell us the truth.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/24/06, Steve Farnham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >> Apparently man can't adversely affect the
> environment. Didn't you know
> >> the recent rises in global temperature are all
> natural phenomenon?
> >>
>
> >There is something to be said for this theory as
> well.
> >Both sides of the debate have political motivations,
> >I don't trust either
> >side to be honest.
>
> >William Robb
>
>
> Non-scientists have opinions all over the map, and
> many of them are politically motivated.
>
> Climatologists, that is scientists who have spent
> years learning the underlying science and more years
> studying the climate by actually going out and
> measuring things, and in general are not political,
> pretty much agree that mankind has contributed to
> global climactic change and that the change may become
> irreversable in the near future.  What disagreement
> exists amoung climatologists is more to do with timing
> than anything else.
>
> So, people who don't know what they're talking about
> claim that the people who do know what they're talking
> about are mostly wrong.  What does that tell you?
>
> Steve Farnham
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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Malcolm Smith]

Tim Øsleby wrote:

> And to all Cottymobile owners. I _can_ respect owning and 
> using a Cottymobile, as long as you really need it, and don't 
> use too much

Tim, it's the most ecological vehicle every made! I still see from time to
time my old Land-Rovers I owned 15 years ago (which were 15 or so then)
still on the road and my own current ones were rebuilt rather than replaced
(saving all those resources of making a new vehicle). Living on the
outskirts of a capital city ensures you walk or cycle everywhere locally
because it's quicker and of course, there's no where to park anyway! Hurrah!

Seasons greetings,

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Re: Merry Chrismouse!

[David J Brooks]

Neat decorations.

Five stitch pano.??

Dave

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Lisa's mother made us some decorations for the mantelpiece. Apparently,
> these Christmas mice are a sort of tradition in her family.
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chrismouse.jpg
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Re: Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Walter.

I have the DG Super to upgrade, and you had me a tad worried.:-)

I'll contact Gentek after Christmas and see what the deal is up here.

Dave

Quoting Walter Hamler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> It is the 500 DG-ST, the "basic" version. I have been pretty happy with it
> since it puts out a lot more light than the built in flash. The folks in New
> York were very quick and did it under warranty.
>
> Walt
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Re: Happy Yuletide!

[Jostein Øksne]

Same to you, O Shaman! :-)

Jostein

On 12/24/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As your Shaman, I have determined that the sun is coming back, and
> declare twelve days of visiting, feasting, and merriment just as we have
> done for the past ten thousand years.
>
>
> Interesting information on the word Yule,
> http://www.cauldronfarm.com/asphodel/articles/Yule_Is_Not_The_Wheel.html
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jostein Øksne]

IIRC, there was a mass demonstration this autumn in your particular
capitol over all the commuters using big SUVs? :-)
Anyways, I understand that pollution in City is coming down, and the
total number of cars on the streets as well? Seems like a good
development to me.

Jostein


On 12/24/06, Malcolm Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>
> > And to all Cottymobile owners. I _can_ respect owning and
> > using a Cottymobile, as long as you really need it, and don't
> > use too much
>
> Tim, it's the most ecological vehicle every made! I still see from time to
> time my old Land-Rovers I owned 15 years ago (which were 15 or so then)
> still on the road and my own current ones were rebuilt rather than replaced
> (saving all those resources of making a new vehicle). Living on the
> outskirts of a capital city ensures you walk or cycle everywhere locally
> because it's quicker and of course, there's no where to park anyway! Hurrah!
>
> Seasons greetings,
>
> Malcolm
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Re: Pentax glass

[David J Brooks]

Humm

I use Nikons for my "paying" work and have good nikonglass aswell.(D1,  
D1H,D1H,D200, 70-200 F2.8VR etc)

However, just because Pentax does not have a five pound body does not  
mean it cannot be used as a "pro" camera. I often use my Pentax  
cameras when i don't want to be noticed, like in street work.

I have two systems, and they have different uses. No need to dump one AFAIC.

Good luck in your choice.

Dave

Quoting j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yes, I am serious, that I have all this glass and
> more, if that is what you mean ? or if you mean,
> am I thinking of selling ??, I am leaning toward
> it, because if Pentax is going and there will be
> no pro digital body,something like a digital LX,
> but better, I will stick with Nikon. I worked as
> a photojournalist for the last 26 years for a
> newspaper and I used my own equipment up until
> 2001(because I had better glass than the paper)
> when the paper when digital with D1's and Nikon Glass..
>
>
> At 08:03 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>> j are you serious or pulling out legs?
>>
>> A135/1.8 - $1,500+
>> A15/3.5 - $650+
>> K18/3.5 - $350+
>> A16/2.8 fisheye - $350+?
>> A200/4 Macro - $1,100+
>> K1000/11 Reflex - ??$750+??
>>
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Couple others I have are 135 F1.8, 15 F3.5, 18
>> > F3.5, 16 F2.8 fish, 17 F4.0 fish, 200 F4.0 macro,
>> > 1000mm mirror..What do you think they are worth ? Thanks
>> >
>> > At 02:54 PM 12/23/06, you wrote:
>> > >Bob, you're not helping here:-)).
>> > >Paul
>> > >On Dec 23, 2006, at 2:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > A85/1.4 - $1,000+  or  FA85/1.4 - $750
>> > > > K200/2.5 - $500+
>> > > > A200/2.8 - $750+
>> > > > A300/2.8 - $1,500+
>> > > > M300/4 - $500+
>> > > > A50/1.2 - $350+
>> > > > K105/2.8 - $250+
>> > > >
>> > > > Totals something more than US$5,000 I would guess...
>> > > > Regards, Bob S.
>> > > >
>> > > > On 12/23/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >> Ok, what is a 85 f1.4, 200 F2.5, 200 F2.8, 300
>> > > >> F2.8, 300 F4.0 M, 50 F1.2. 105 F 2.5 worth. These
>> > > >> are some of my many pieces of glass that comes to
>> > > >> me without looking in the boxes ???
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> At 02:50 PM 12/22/06, you wrote:
>> > > >>> Dave show some compassion to a brother in distress. Jay I'll
>> > > >>> offer you
>> > > >>> £100 sterling although obviously at that price you would have to pay
>> > > >>> the postage!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Peter
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On 12/22/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >  What have you got?
>> > > 
>> > >  I may be interested in taking some of it off your hands, It
>> > >  shouldn't
>> > >  be worth much. I'd say AU$100 for the lot
>> > > 
>> > >  :-)
>> > > 
>> > >  Dave
>> > > 
>> > >  On 12/22/06, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > SO what does everyone think, is it time to unload all my high end
>> > > > Pentax glass, as I still have not bought a digital body in the
>> > > > Pentax
>> > > > brand, however I do have a Nikon D1x and D100..What do you
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Jostein Øksne]

graywolf  wrote:

> It is not as warm today as it was a 1000 years ago. But then I go
> through this every time the global warming crap comes up here on the
> list, why don't you guys remember what I wrote, even if you don't agree
> with it.

I remember, Graywolf. :-)
Still, it's the rate of change that is unprecedented, isn't it?

[...]
> "The GOOD OLD DAYS" never were.

True.


> Have you (general you) ever thought about the fact that we here are this
> list are so well off that we are only bothered by things that do not
> affect us directly. The other 80% of the people in the world should have
> it so good.

They should. But they won't. Because none of us wants to go backwards,
as you just said.

Jostein

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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi John,

I do believe there were some earlier Rubicons - I'll have to check, but I
recall having a sample glass at the winery of something older, something
that Coppola would break out for special guests.

As for the cost, well, I got a couple of cases when they were released ( I
got a couple of cases several years in a row, in fact), and at a very good
per-bottle price.  A friend's company insured Frankie's winery, and as a
Christmas gift we were able to buy cases at a substantial discount. I
recall something along the lines of about $16.00/bottle, maybe less.

The Mount Veeder LH Zin was free, having received a case of everything
Michael and Arlene Bernstein made that year as a little "thank you" for
having effected the sale of the winery and vineyards for them.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> > 
> >   .  .  .  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon from
> > Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a 1978
Mt.
> > Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot
Grigio. 
> > That should have us covered pretty well.
>
> I'm sure you'll enjoy those.  Personally I think that you often end up
> paying a premium for the Coppola name on the label; comparable bottles
> from less well-known names can be found at perhaps two thirds the price.
> I'd suspect that is even more likely for the 1985, which is the first
> year of production for the Rubicon, and thus has some collector value.



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Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[cbwaters]

Crap, Forgot the link...
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/b/cbwaters/photo/nico25.jpg
Nico and I got a bit farther than 200 meters, I think.

Merry Christmas, Ya'll.

CW


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>I think this is the view from McRae.  Looking to the left there you can see
> the peak with the parking lot and bridge.
>
> I'm fat, out of shape and a-feared of places up high with no railing or
> whatever...  This climb was pretty scary in places (I left my companion a
> couple ladders back from here) but OMG, it's worth it to stand way the 
> hell
> up there...
>
> This is one of the photos that Mark and Nico saved for me from a 
> mac-attack.
>
> CW
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:01 PM
> Subject: Re: GFM (Possible First Timer)
>
>
>> Cotty wrote:
>>
>>>On 23/12/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
>>>
>>>Yes please. Put me down for one of those Mark !
>>
>> For anyone else interested, on the Saturday afternoon of the GFM Nature
>> Photography Weekend I am going to lead an unofficial hike to Attic
>> Window Peak on the mountain. Open to anyone who's interested in coming.
>> Frank's done it with me in the past so it can't be that difficult ;-)
>>
>> Grandfather Mountain consists of a fairly long ridge with four distinct
>> peaks. Linville Peak, the lowest of the four, is the one at the end of
>> the road up the mountain. You drive there to get onto the Grandfather
>> Mountain trail, which follows the ridge to the other three peaks. The
>> first half mile is moderate in difficulty but after that it gets fairly
>> tough: There are sections that would require ropes, harnesses and
>> technical climbing experience if it weren't for the ladders bolted to
>> the rock face. Not for people who are out of shape or who have any fear
>> of heights.
>>
>> The first peak you come, about a mile out on the trail, is MacRae Peak.
>> 3rd highest peak on the mountain. The peak itself is a house-sized
>> boulder which is accessed via one of the aforementioned ladders. You
>> can bypass the peak itself and continue on the trail if you like. The
>> climb up to the top of the peak is a bit scary but the view is
>> spectacular (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm)
>>
>> About half a mile farther on is Attic Window Peak. Still tough going on
>> the trail: Some exposed ladder climbing and a spot where you have to
>> shimmy through a crack between a cliff face and a large-building-sized
>> boulder. Might be worrying if you get claustrophobic. The last part of
>> the trail up to Attic Window is through a chute full of rocks/boulders
>> of varying sizes (http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_13.htm - looking
>> down from the top... in appalling weather). Definitely upper class-4
>> scrambling. As you climb up through this chute there is a cave on your
>> left that goes all the way through (about 20 ft) where you can sit on a
>> shelf on the side of another cliff face. Frank and I did that and got
>> some great shots. This is the destination of my Saturday afternoon
>> excursion.
>>
>> On the Thursday night before the weekend officially begins, I hike out
>> all the way to Calloway Peak, the fourth and highest peak on the
>> mountain, and camp out for the night to get sunset and sunrise photos.
>> This is a good mile past Attic Window and really quite strenuous when
>> carrying a backpack loaded with tent, sleeping bag, camera gear and
>> other supplies, but it's worth it :) Anyone who'll be there on Thursday
>> and is willing and able to make the trip is welcome to come along.
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Re: Happy Yuletide!

[DagT]

I tried to mail a PESO yesterday with "PESO - God Jul" which is the  
Norwegian version of "Good Yuletide!" but somehow it was killed in  
cyberspace and has not occurred on the list yet. Wheel, by the way,  
is Hjul in Norwegian .-)

Anyway, here´s the picture:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=279991

Now they are asleep, at last...

DagT

Den 24. des. 2006 kl. 18.40 skrev graywolf:

> As your Shaman, I have determined that the sun is coming back, and
> declare twelve days of visiting, feasting, and merriment just as we  
> have
> done for the past ten thousand years.
>
>
> Interesting information on the word Yule,
> http://www.cauldronfarm.com/asphodel/articles/ 
> Yule_Is_Not_The_Wheel.html

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Re: Merry Chrismouse!

[Jostein Øksne]

Very charming!

Jostein


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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? Also a hollyday wish

[Tim Øsleby]

I believe I am a bit emotional about this. 56 days of rain scares me. 

This said. You where not going for me, to get me, I know that. So don't
worry. I just felt you did not direct the point of my message, but only
directed me. Hope you understand what the difference. I'm saying that I was
not personally offended. 

I agree that we mean little in the greater scheme. But we have a saying
here; many small streams makes a large flood. Some times that's comforting,
some times it is scary. But I believe there is a truth in it.

BTW. This is an odd Christmas for me. I'm partly at home, partly ay work,
partly here. But I will get some days off between Christmas and New Year.
I'm looking forward to that. 


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Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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I am sorry you took my comment as a personal attack. It was not meant to 
be. I was trying to make the point that we humans are not all that 
powerful. We mean little in the greater scheme of things. We get to 
thinking that we have more effect than we have. There is a name for that 
in German, I think, Weltscherz (?). It seems to be kind of a normal 
human emotion.



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> Tom.
> I'm offline now at work, and I am wondering if this message of mine came
out
> a bit too strong.
> I felt you went for the man instead of the ball, and then I did the same
in
> return. That's a stupid thing to do. Sorry about that. 

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Re: Merry Chrismouse!

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>Neat decorations.
>
>Five stitch pano.??

Two-stitch pano with massive crop :)

>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chrismouse.jpg



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Hoya To Close.....

[Cotty]

.the door when it's chilly outside.

That got your attention :-)

Coming up to midnight here in the UK.

Just a Christmas message from me wishing you all a safe and peaceful
festive season and new year. What a great e-family you are. Best to all.

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PESO: Camera phone pic

[Paul Stenquist]

My daughter is a huge Chicago Bears fan. So I took her to see the  
Bears beat the Lions today in Detroit. I shot this pic of her at the  
game with my Motorola phone. It's not a real high end phone. I  
believe the camera is 1.3 megapixels. Not bad, I'd say.
Paul
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5370227&size=lg

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Cotty]

On 24/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And to all Cottymobile owners. I _can_ respect owning and using a
>Cottymobile, as long as you really need it, and don't use too much. 

I use it for work and do about 25,000 miles a year.

When I eventually retiee, I expect I will hve a nice little open-topped
sports car for summer Sundays, and that's it.

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Cotty]

On 24/12/06, Tim Øsleby, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I did not have time to check your link Cotty (now I'm off line again), but I
>assume it refers to a big time polluting source (I will check the link
>later).

Actually it is a 2.5 litre diesel engined vehicle that does between 20
and 30 to the gallon. It is carrying about 250 lbs of film kit. I rest
easy at night ;-)

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RE: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Malcolm Smith]

Jostein Øksne wrote:

> IIRC, there was a mass demonstration this autumn in your 
> particular capitol over all the commuters using big SUVs? :-) 
> Anyways, I understand that pollution in City is coming down, 
> and the total number of cars on the streets as well? Seems 
> like a good development to me.

I'm a great believer in no cars being used where you can walk or otherwise
travel - buses/underground etc. I get truly hacked off with the attacks on
the larger vehicles as, A: I first owned them when they were deeply
unpopular for reasons of undesirability (and how I wish they still were) &
B: nobody seems to have the same attitude to the vast executive/sports cars
seen in our cities. I once was stopped in Camden by a crowd putting leaflets
on 4x4s, which one of them had supplies of on the passenger seat of his
Porsche 911. Hypocrites, no doubt jetting off around the world on holidays
with all the pollution that entails.

Anyway, Happy Christmas to one and all :-)

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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[Paul Stenquist]

Sounds like fun. I've had the Mt. Veeder Zin. Maybe not that vintage,  
but I remember it as a very good wine with high alcohol content. Zins  
were my first love for many years, but I don't like very many of the  
new ones. While Zin is a wine that is usually consumed young, an  
older one should be interesting if the cork has held. The Coppola  
wine is a collector's item. Very special, as I'm sure you know.
Enjoy.
Paul
On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> A warm and wonderful Merry Christmas greeting to all those who  
> embrace and
> celebrate the holiday.
>
> Tonight I'm going to my first ever Christmas Eve dinner.  We're having
> Indian food prepared by an Armenian cook who grew up and learned  
> her craft
> in Jerusalem.  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon  
> from
> Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a  
> 1978 Mt.
> Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot  
> Grigio.
> That should have us covered pretty well.
>
> I also made a simple rice pudding desert, made with Basmati rice and
> flavored with cardamom and rose water.
>
> Happy Holiday to all ...
>
>
> Shel
>
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Re: Merry Chrismouse!

[David Savage]

Har!

Cute.

Cheers,

Dave

On 12/25/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lisa's mother made us some decorations for the mantelpiece. Apparently,
> these Christmas mice are a sort of tradition in her family.
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chrismouse.jpg
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Re: Happy Yuletide!

[David Savage]

On 12/25/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried to mail a PESO yesterday with "PESO - God Jul" which is the
> Norwegian version of "Good Yuletide!" but somehow it was killed in
> cyberspace and has not occurred on the list yet. Wheel, by the way,
> is Hjul in Norwegian .-)
>
> Anyway, here´s the picture:
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=279991
>
> Now they are asleep, at last...
>
> DagT

They look like a handful. :-)

Great shot

Cheers,

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Re: Happy Yuletide!

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice composition. Fun pic.
Paul
On Dec 24, 2006, at 8:10 PM, David Savage wrote:

> On 12/25/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I tried to mail a PESO yesterday with "PESO - God Jul" which is the
>> Norwegian version of "Good Yuletide!" but somehow it was killed in
>> cyberspace and has not occurred on the list yet. Wheel, by the way,
>> is Hjul in Norwegian .-)
>>
>> Anyway, here´s the picture:
>> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=279991
>>
>> Now they are asleep, at last...
>>
>> DagT
>
> They look like a handful. :-)
>
> Great shot
>
> Cheers,
>
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RE: GFM (Possible First Timer)

[Tim Øsleby]

Franks bunny ears are poetry. You can't argue that.  


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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>
> ...and beautiful people.
Obviously you've not seen the photos of the attendees, if you say that...

Tim Øsleby wrote:
> I've seen those pictures before, but I don't think I've told how much I
like
> them. 
> This is my favourite http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>
> I wish I had the funds to attend. It sounds like a kinder egg; beautiful
> nature, talking photography, and beautiful people. It is so tempting that
I
> might do it some day.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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> Roberts
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>
> Walter Hamler wrote:
>
>   
>> Are most of the photo opportunities 
>> available from the hiking trails, etc?
>> 
>
> One of the great advantages of Grandfather Mountain is the variety of 
> photo locations available to people with widely varying abilities and 
> levels of fitness. There are a huge number of great photo spots just a 
> few steps away from a parking spot for your car. Many others just a 
> short (100 meters or so) away from parking areas (and on good trails), 
> as well as places where you have to undertake a couple of hours if 
> hiking over *tough* terrain. There's something for every ability.
>
> Here's one taken while standing *in* the parking lot at the top:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_11.htm
>
> This one is from just past the swinging bridge and less than 200m from 
> the parking lot:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_01.htm
> This one requires a tough hour-long hike (and (*no* fear of heights!):
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/gfm_21.htm
> This one requires an overnight camp-out on the trail:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601782.html
>
>   
>> I am not in the best of shape but can walk for upwards of an hour or so 
>> 
> as 
>   
>> long as I take it slow.
>> 
>
> You'll have lots of opportunities. And if all else fails, shoot flower 
> macros!
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/feature/d601792.html
>
>
>   


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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[Brendan MacRae]

Shel,

I have a new wish for Christmas this year.

I want to sample your wine cellar!

Warm Regards and Happy Holidays!

-Brendan
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A warm and wonderful Merry Christmas greeting to all
> those who embrace and
> celebrate the holiday.
> 
> Tonight I'm going to my first ever Christmas Eve
> dinner.  We're having
> Indian food prepared by an Armenian cook who grew up
> and learned her craft
> in Jerusalem.  One of the wines I'll be bringing is
> a 1985 Rubicon from
> Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the
> other will be a 1978 Mt.
> Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a
> nice Alsace Pinot Grigio. 
> That should have us covered pretty well.
> 
> I also made a simple rice pudding desert, made with
> Basmati rice and
> flavored with cardamom and rose water. 
> 
> Happy Holiday to all ...
> 
> 
> Shel
> 
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Re: Merry Chrismouse!

[Paul Stenquist]

Fun. Grace loves them.
Paul
On Dec 24, 2006, at 8:03 PM, David Savage wrote:

> Har!
>
> Cute.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 12/25/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Lisa's mother made us some decorations for the mantelpiece.  
>> Apparently,
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>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chrismouse.jpg
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Re: MerryChristmasHoHHo

[Jack Davis]

The wife and I are planning a couple of double B&B's in front of the
fireplace. just prior to a "long winter's nap".

NOEL ALL!

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sounds like fun. I've had the Mt. Veeder Zin. Maybe not that vintage,
>  
> but I remember it as a very good wine with high alcohol content. Zins
>  
> were my first love for many years, but I don't like very many of the 
> 
> new ones. While Zin is a wine that is usually consumed young, an  
> older one should be interesting if the cork has held. The Coppola  
> wine is a collector's item. Very special, as I'm sure you know.
> Enjoy.
> Paul
> On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> > A warm and wonderful Merry Christmas greeting to all those who  
> > embrace and
> > celebrate the holiday.
> >
> > Tonight I'm going to my first ever Christmas Eve dinner.  We're
> having
> > Indian food prepared by an Armenian cook who grew up and learned  
> > her craft
> > in Jerusalem.  One of the wines I'll be bringing is a 1985 Rubicon 
> 
> > from
> > Francis Ford Coppola's vineyard in Napa, and the other will be a  
> > 1978 Mt.
> > Veeder late Harvest Zinfandel. I'll also bring a nice Alsace Pinot 
> 
> > Grigio.
> > That should have us covered pretty well.
> >
> > I also made a simple rice pudding desert, made with Basmati rice
> and
> > flavored with cardamom and rose water.
> >
> > Happy Holiday to all ...
> >
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[graywolf]

I really have not seen much in the way of changes. Some years it is 
warm, some it is cold. But then I have only seen 63 winters although I 
do not remember the first three or four very well. Besides, as long as 
the world lasts another twenty-thirty years what do I care... ?





Jostein Øksne wrote:
> graywolf  wrote:
> 
>> It is not as warm today as it was a 1000 years ago. But then I go
>> through this every time the global warming crap comes up here on the
>> list, why don't you guys remember what I wrote, even if you don't agree
>> with it.
> 
> I remember, Graywolf. :-)
> Still, it's the rate of change that is unprecedented, isn't it?
> 
> [...]
>> "The GOOD OLD DAYS" never were.
> 
> True.
> 
> 
>> Have you (general you) ever thought about the fact that we here are this
>> list are so well off that we are only bothered by things that do not
>> affect us directly. The other 80% of the people in the world should have
>> it so good.
> 
> They should. But they won't. Because none of us wants to go backwards,
> as you just said.
> 
> Jostein
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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[David Savage]

I've only seen 28 winters, but the weather is doing something screwy.

It's obviously warmer & dryer during winter.

Cheers,

Dave

On 12/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really have not seen much in the way of changes. Some years it is
> warm, some it is cold. But then I have only seen 63 winters although I
> do not remember the first three or four very well. Besides, as long as
> the world lasts another twenty-thirty years what do I care...  cheek>?

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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[Paul Stenquist]

I've seen 58 winters, and I can tell you that the weather always does  
something screwy.
Paul
On Dec 24, 2006, at 8:52 PM, David Savage wrote:

> I've only seen 28 winters, but the weather is doing something screwy.
>
> It's obviously warmer & dryer during winter.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> On 12/25/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I really have not seen much in the way of changes. Some years it is
>> warm, some it is cold. But then I have only seen 63 winters  
>> although I
>> do not remember the first three or four very well. Besides, as  
>> long as
>> the world lasts another twenty-thirty years what do I care...  
>> > cheek>?
>
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Re: Slow-Sync Use with K10D

[Gonz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The first flash is the pre-flash used in P-TTL for integrated flash/ 
> ambient TTL metering purposes before the mirror swings up.
> 
> The second flash is actual flash made for the exposure, approx 1/250  
> second before the second curtain begins to close.
> 

I would imagine that since the flash is very fast, probably faster than 
1/1 of a sec, that you could wait right up until the second curtain 
started to close.  So if you did this, it would be closer to 1/500th of 
a sec before the second curtain closes, assuming the first and second 
take equal time to traverse the frame and the sync time is 1/250th.  I 
suppose you could experiment with the shutter speed, i.e. try 1/125th 
and 1/250th + second curtain sync to see where the time actually is for 
the flash.

> Godfrey
> 
> On Dec 24, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Walter Hamler wrote:
> 
> 
>>I was trying out the slow sync(second curtain) flash last evening  
>>with the
>>K10D. I don't think it is working properly. When the shutter speed  
>>is around
>>1 sec so you can see what is going on, the flash discharged when  
>>the shutter
>>is first tripped, then is discharged a second time with the trailing
>>curtain. I thought there should only be one discharge, at the second
>>curtain. Am I missing something?
> 
> 
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Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO

[Kenneth Waller]

Kenneth Waller
> Supposing two swallows carried the LX together...

African or European?

Kenneth Waller
"Are you suggesting coconuts migrate"?

- Original Message - 
From: "Mat Maessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GFM: Nature Photography Weekend reminder - ONLY 10 DAYS TO GO


> On 12/23/06, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Not sure if its doable, after all i still have to findways to get
>> > Frank over the boarder, so we'll see,
>> You could build a large wooden chicken...
> 
> Supposing two swallows carried the LX together...
> 
> -Mat
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Seasonal Greetings

[Boris Liberman]

Heyo boyos and gals! ;-)

Mesa feelin' time-o-greetin' is comin'...

Have a good one! Whatever is your faith or lack thereof let the next 
year be way better than this one. In fact this one was very close to 
rock bottom on my scale.

Have fun, ladies and gentlemen ;-).

Boris

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Boris - Week 51

[Boris Liberman]

Hi there.

Just a bit of easy going this time. Shot a day before yesterday ;-).

http://not.contaxg.com/document.php?id=15992

Brutal and honest comments are sought after.

Boris


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Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?

[P. J. Alling]

I live in a place with abundant water.  I can use as much as I wish 
without adversely affecting your life, or anyone else's..Should I stop 
taking hot, (or cold), showers in solidarity with you?  On the other 
hand a really cold winter can cost a great deal of money in fuel to keep 
a minimal "comfortable" temperature, (which for me is really quiet 
chilly apparently, according to my friends).  Will you help me pay my 
heating bills?  Life on this rock has always been uncomfortable, humans 
have always attempted to change the environment to make life easier for 
themselves.  If you don't like it you can try to live on some other 
rock, good luck.

David Savage wrote:
> On 12/25/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Savage"
>> Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us?
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Apparently man can't adversely affect the environment. Didn't you know
>>> the recent rises in global temperature are all natural phenomenon?
>>>
>>>   
>> There is something to be said for this theory as well.
>> Both sides of the debate have political motivations, I don't trust either
>> side to be honest.
>>
>> William Robb
>> 
>
> Whatever the cause, the fact remains that life on this here rock is
> going to get increasingly uncomfortable in many places.
>
> Already we're seeing less rain, and as a result fresh water supplies
> are becoming a big issue here. It doesn't matter if the lack of
> rainfall is due to man's influence or not. Wasteful habits have to
> change.
>
> Cheers & Merry Christmas,
>
> Dave
>
>   


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