Re: 16-50, local stores etc.

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
These sort of reports annoy the s#!t out of me.

Why the hell can't the retailers here stock some Pentax lenses

(I know why, but it's still frustrating.)

Cheers,

Dave

On 10/20/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I stopped by a local store (Nelson) here, in San Diego.
 I was surprised by the inventory they had for Pentax
 K10D, K100D, 16-50/2.8 ($900), 50-135 ($1000), 77/1.8 ($1100),
 40/2.8, 50 (?probably macro, f/2.8)...
 And this was at their smaller store in La Jolla.

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Re: I Guess Discrimination Cuts Both Ways...

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BH

 http://tinyurl.com/2j7rz8

I wonder if their prices will go up to recoup the loss ?

:-)

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Re: PESO: Visitor in the office

2007-10-20 Thread David Mann
On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html

That's just begging for use on icanhascheezburger.com

- Dave


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Re: PESO: Visitor in the office

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

  http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html

 That's just begging for use on icanhascheezburger.com

LOL

I loved this one:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128346488213125000.jpg

Cheers,

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Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread William Robb
We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt tonight. I got a 
number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I 
thought were nice.
Here is one of them.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

It's trying to be art, I think.

Technical:

K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
The warmth is deliberate.

Have at it.

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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread Tom C
No.  But I read publicly available industry reports and news items and am 
referring to what I read.  Good enough?

Tom C.


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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:49:10 +

Tom,
You know Hoya management? Can you introduce them to the rest of us?
Paul
  -- Original message --
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly
  with those holding the purse strings.
 
  I just can't see Hoya management, more pragmatic than the former
  Pentax mgmt., going down a risky road with a 645D.
 
  Tom C.
 
  On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy.
  
   -Adam
  
   Tom C wrote:
Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades and did
have a respectable MF presence.  Where has that gotten them to 
today?
   
   
Tom C.
   
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camera(s)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
   
645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web site. If 
the
645d does return it will be a large scale New Product 
introduction.
Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor 
do I
think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real 
demand
for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand for K 
mount
lenses.
   
All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in stock.
Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-angle 645
lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map.
Joe
   
   
   
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RE: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread Bob W
Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.

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 -Original Message-
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 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)
 
 From the Writer's Almanac 10/19/2007
 
 It's the anniversary of the surrender that effectively ended the
 American Revolutionary War, in Yorktown, Virginia, in 1781. That
 summer, the British had expected Washington to attack New York City.
 But when he learned that he might be able to capture the British
 forces on the Yorktown Peninsula in Virginia, he executed one of the
 boldest moves of the entire war, moving his army 400 miles in order
to
 catch his enemy by surprise. He had to march his troops toward New
 York City first, to scare the British into hunkering down for an
 attack. Then he quickly moved south. The British commander only
 realized what Washington was doing two days after he'd already gone.
 
 Washington's men and their French allies marched every day from 2:00
 a.m. until it grew too hot to continue. It was a hot summer, and on
 one day, more than 400 men passed out from the heat. Few armies in
 history had ever moved so far so fast. By the second week of
October,
 they had reached Yorktown and surrounded Cornwallis. He agreed to a
 surrender that began at 2:00 a.m. on this day in 1781. The one
soldier
 who didn't surrender was Cornwallis himself. He sent his sword with
 his second-in-command to be offered to the French general,
signifying
 that the British had been defeated by the French, not the Americans.
 Washington was furious, but it didn't matter. England didn't have
 enough money to raise another army. Two years later, the Treaty of
 Paris was signed, and the war was officially over.
 
 
 Tom C.
 
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OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread David Mann
Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's  
feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the  
painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only  
taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A  
couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.

Most of the pain I'm getting now is in the upper back.  I think this  
is partly due to my sleeping position and also due to the arm-in-a- 
sling pulling downwards on my neck.  As a result I'm finding it quite  
hard to stand still for very long (I was getting quite impatient in  
the shops today).

During the past couple of days I've been trying to keep my arm out of  
the sling as much as possible.  I only wear it now when I'm out   
about to show people that they should take care not to bump into me.   
I have regained limited use of my arm and it seems to be really good  
unless I move that f***king muscle that pulls the shoulder forward.   
The one that, whenever you drop something, instinctively lunges quite  
forcefully.

At some stage I know that the novelty of this new experience is going  
to wear off.  I'm still keeping my spirits up but I'll be happier  
when I can cook again.  I also need to work out a better solution for  
my commuting situation.  I don't mind being unable to mow the lawn  
though :) :)

I have my first physio appointment on Tuesday, then it's back to the  
fracture clinic on Thursday for a checkup.  Most of my healthcare is  
covered by ACC, our state-run provider of accident coverage.  Its  
reputation is pretty typical for any government department but I'm  
still glad it's there.

The damage to the bike, as far as I can tell, is just a bent front  
wheel - the road rash on the rim suggests that it actually went under  
the wheel of the van that I only just missed myself.  There are also  
some nasty scratches on one of the brake levers.  I'll have the bike  
fully checked out anyway as you never know what else might be wrong.   
I'm especially sensitive about brakes, for some reason ;)

BTW I'd like to thank everyone here again for their wishes, they were  
quite lifting :)

Cheers,

- Dave

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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's
 feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the
 painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only
 taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A
 couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.

snip

Good news Dave

So are you upping the choc dosage?

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/10/07, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:

Is there any camera on the market that has a 1.2/1.3 crop at the moment?  It 
does not make sense to me to shoot for somewhere between APS-C and FF. You 
wouldn't *need* new lenses of course...

As others have already posted,

The Leica M8:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/leicam8/

The Canon 1D series with 4 generations (not to be confused with the 1Ds
series which is FF)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1d/

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1dmkii/

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_eos1dmkiin.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_eos1dmkiii.asp

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Re: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.

We don't need to. Their skies are full of their own nukes ;-)

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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
David,

Good to hear that you're mending. It's a pain, but you'll get through  
it.

I always hated the damn sling they bound me up in. I found what  
worked better for me was a simple, wide fabric belt loop that went  
around my neck and around my wrist. Adjusted carefully for length, it  
held my arm right where it was supposed to go and allowed me to stand  
and sleep better. Might not work for you, but on the occasions I've  
needed to immobilize my arm due to shoulder dislocation or collarbone  
breakage it worked beautifully for me.

best,
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Re: Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

It's trying to be art, I think.

Technical:

K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
The warmth is deliberate.

Have at it.

Excellent lens choice for live music. Too much warmth for me. Like the
composition and focus.

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GESO: Vivitar Series 1 105 macro

2007-10-20 Thread Derby Chang
Nice lens. Fast becoming my favourite macro.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_vivitarmacro/index.htm


And an OT PESO (it was taken with a Fuji F20)
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_fashionistas/01.htm

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RE: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread Bob W
 I cut the  
 painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only

 taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A  
 couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.

You should join the SAS, you hard bastard.

Glad to hear you're mending.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of David Mann
 Sent: 20 October 2007 08:12
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: OT: 1 week on
 
 Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's  
 feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the  
 painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only

 taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A  
 couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.
 
 Most of the pain I'm getting now is in the upper back.  I think this

 is partly due to my sleeping position and also due to the arm-in-a- 
 sling pulling downwards on my neck.  As a result I'm finding 
 it quite  
 hard to stand still for very long (I was getting quite impatient in

 the shops today).
 
 During the past couple of days I've been trying to keep my 
 arm out of  
 the sling as much as possible.  I only wear it now when I'm out   
 about to show people that they should take care not to bump 
 into me.   
 I have regained limited use of my arm and it seems to be really good

 unless I move that f***king muscle that pulls the shoulder forward.

 The one that, whenever you drop something, instinctively 
 lunges quite  
 forcefully.
 
 At some stage I know that the novelty of this new experience 
 is going  
 to wear off.  I'm still keeping my spirits up but I'll be happier  
 when I can cook again.  I also need to work out a better 
 solution for  
 my commuting situation.  I don't mind being unable to mow the lawn  
 though :) :)
 
 I have my first physio appointment on Tuesday, then it's back to the

 fracture clinic on Thursday for a checkup.  Most of my healthcare is

 covered by ACC, our state-run provider of accident coverage.  Its  
 reputation is pretty typical for any government department but I'm  
 still glad it's there.
 
 The damage to the bike, as far as I can tell, is just a bent front  
 wheel - the road rash on the rim suggests that it actually 
 went under  
 the wheel of the van that I only just missed myself.  There are also

 some nasty scratches on one of the brake levers.  I'll have the bike

 fully checked out anyway as you never know what else might be 
 wrong.   
 I'm especially sensitive about brakes, for some reason ;)
 
 BTW I'd like to thank everyone here again for their wishes, 
 they were  
 quite lifting :)
 
 Cheers,
 
 - Dave
 
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Re: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread cbwaters
That's really nice Bill.  I'd like to see the DOF just a little more 
forward, but I like it this way too.
Cory

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Subject: Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose


 We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt tonight. I got 
 a
 number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I
 thought were nice.
 Here is one of them.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

 It's trying to be art, I think.

 Technical:

 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.

 Have at it.

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Toralf Lund
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

   
 Possibly with 14bit RAW's
   
 Do you think that would be possible?

 I know you (or was it someone else?) have been saying the light
 collecting capability of sensors has been improved lately, but in  
 order
 to achieve a higher bit count, a better electric charge storage  
 capacity
 would probably be needed as well. Or at least, some papers I read on
 this a year or so ago seemed to suggest that 14 bits won't be possible
 with the current element sizes even with 0 noise.
 

 My take on this:

 12 bit vs 14 bit RAW files has more to do with quantization than with  
 charge capacity, which translates to DR. They could quantize the data  
 captured by the current sensor to an 8, 11, 12, or 14 bit  
 representation. The question is whether or not it is useful to do so.  
   
Exactly!
 12 bits is 4096 discrete energy levels; 14 bits is 16,384. Is there  
 adequate resolution of energy levels in the sensor to make expressing  
 that energy in a larger quantization meaningful?
That was essentially the question I was trying to ask.

I was saying that based on some papers I've read in the past (but don't 
have in front of me, or care to search for right now), the answer seems 
to be no unless *something* has been done to improve the  sensor's 
capacity for storage of energy levels - or if you like, to make room for 
some extra electrons/electron holes.

But actually, I didn't really do any maths when I said that. After doing 
some quick calculations, I think that there would actually be enough 
levels for 14 bits, or 15 even - but not 16. You have to consider the 
noise as well, though. The noise will essentially add random variation 
to the (theoretical) lower bits from the sensor so that it is not 
possible to extract useful info about the energy levels from them, and 
including them in the final output gives no extra value. The number of 
unusable bits depends on the amount of noise, obviously, but having just 
1 bit to throw away may not seem sufficient.

In other words, a sensor using the old technology would in fact have 
enough levels for 14 bits, but such a setup would leave virtually no 
room for noise.

Oh, and if you wanted to know, the papers I mentioned suggested that you 
can simply assume a storage capacity of 1000 electron/electron 
holes/energy levels per square micron of sensor area.
  The assumption is  
 that, given the present sensor, 12 bits is an accurate representation  
 and there is no added value in going to a larger representation.
   
 The implication is that a new sensor might have sufficient resolution  
 of energy levels to make a 14 bit quantization an advantage. Improved  
 accuracy is the result, exercising more of that 22bit A-D converter.  
 Maybe increased DR as well, if the imager actually does have  
 additional DR.

 Godfrey
 I'm no electrical engineer, I play one on the PDML.
   
- Toralf
  Me too (I did study at the electrical engineering department, but 
chose the IT option.)


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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Toralf Lund
Adam Maas wrote:
 Toralf Lund wrote:
   
 Adam Maas wrote:
 
 Roman Melihhov wrote:
   
   
 I remember how it all started with K10D. Lotta rumors, unrealistic 
 expectations, [ ... ]
 Roman.

 
 
 Good bet?

 12MP, 5fps, improved AF system, ~20 RAW buffer, 1-2 stops better high ISO 
 noise. ISO200-6400 native.  New shutter with 1/8000 and 1/250 sync. 

 Possibly with 14bit RAW's 
   
 Do you think that would be possible?

 I know you (or was it someone else?) have been saying the light 
 collecting capability of sensors has been improved lately, but in order 
 to achieve a higher bit count, a better electric charge storage capacity 
 would probably be needed as well. Or at least, some papers I read on 
 this a year or so ago seemed to suggest that 14 bits won't be possible 
 with the current element sizes even with 0 noise.

 - Toralf


 

 That was me talking about the improved light collecting ability of the 
 sensor.
   

 Note the 'good bet' I describe is the Sony 12MP CMOS sensor, which is 
 available in 12 or 14bit forms (the D300 is 14 bit, the Sony A700 is 12 
 bit). The only real guess there (if Pentax goes for the Sony sensor)
I'd actually be surprised if they went for a 12 or 14 bit variant from 
Sony, or any 3rd party producer, seeing as the K10D has a special A/D 
converter designed by Pentax.

- Toralf


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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd actually be surprised if they went for a 12 or 14 bit variant from
 Sony, or any 3rd party producer, seeing as the K10D has a special A/D
 converter designed by Pentax.

I don't believe they designed the A/D converter. Evidence suggests
that it was an off the shelf item from Nucore.

Remember the 22bit marketing hype before the K10D was released?:

http://www.nucoretech.com/nu3/20_products/tech_backgrounder/ndx-2240_start.html
http://www.nucoretech.com/nu3/images/80_downloads/pb_ndx2240.us.pdf

Cheers,

Dave

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PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
 I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
thought that was kinda' cool :-)

Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
extra info available inside the image.

This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.

Cheers,

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Peter Fairweather
On 20/10/2007, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/20/07, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'd actually be surprised if they went for a 12 or 14 bit variant from
  Sony, or any 3rd party producer, seeing as the K10D has a special A/D
  converter designed by Pentax.

 I don't believe they designed the A/D converter. Evidence suggests
 that it was an off the shelf item from Nucore.

 Remember the 22bit marketing hype before the K10D was released?:


Marketing hype?? Please use the correct technical term. Bullsh**

Peter

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Re: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
We gotta fly them around every once in a while, just to prove we can.  ;-)
(I'm mystified.  The real weapons have red noses as a visual warning.
How do you miss that?)   Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/20/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 20/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
 have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
 counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.

 We don't need to. Their skies are full of their own nukes ;-)

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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Good to hear it's working out.  The wheel and van part is scary!
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/20/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's
 feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the
 painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only
 taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A
 couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.

 Most of the pain I'm getting now is in the upper back.  I think this
 is partly due to my sleeping position and also due to the arm-in-a-
 sling pulling downwards on my neck.  As a result I'm finding it quite
 hard to stand still for very long (I was getting quite impatient in
 the shops today).

 During the past couple of days I've been trying to keep my arm out of
 the sling as much as possible.  I only wear it now when I'm out 
 about to show people that they should take care not to bump into me.
 I have regained limited use of my arm and it seems to be really good
 unless I move that f***king muscle that pulls the shoulder forward.
 The one that, whenever you drop something, instinctively lunges quite
 forcefully.

 At some stage I know that the novelty of this new experience is going
 to wear off.  I'm still keeping my spirits up but I'll be happier
 when I can cook again.  I also need to work out a better solution for
 my commuting situation.  I don't mind being unable to mow the lawn
 though :) :)

 I have my first physio appointment on Tuesday, then it's back to the
 fracture clinic on Thursday for a checkup.  Most of my healthcare is
 covered by ACC, our state-run provider of accident coverage.  Its
 reputation is pretty typical for any government department but I'm
 still glad it's there.

 The damage to the bike, as far as I can tell, is just a bent front
 wheel - the road rash on the rim suggests that it actually went under
 the wheel of the van that I only just missed myself.  There are also
 some nasty scratches on one of the brake levers.  I'll have the bike
 fully checked out anyway as you never know what else might be wrong.
 I'm especially sensitive about brakes, for some reason ;)

 BTW I'd like to thank everyone here again for their wishes, they were
 quite lifting :)

 Cheers,

 - Dave

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
On 10/20/07, Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 20/10/2007, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Remember the 22bit marketing hype before the K10D was released?:
 

 Marketing hype?? Please use the correct technical term. Bullsh**


LOL

Yes well...

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread Derby Chang
David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,

 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

 The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
  I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
 thought that was kinda' cool :-)

 Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
 extra info available inside the image.

 This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave

   

Idyllic. Tricky too because light at this time changes quickly, so it's 
hard to colour-match the shots. Well done.

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Re: PAW 2007 - 43 - GDG

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
It could be your monitor, Ken. I can't see the streak under any  
conditions, even after upsizing the image in PS.
Paul
On Oct 19, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 ann sanfedele
 that what you see on the monitor that
 magenta streak, can come from a kind of eye problem whose name I  
 don't
 know...  but of course,

 Yeah, it must be an eye problem - I only see the magenta streak  
 when looking
 @ that image.

 where is the streak you see?  do you still see it?
 As I stated in my original response, the very slight magenta streak  
 runs
 from the ULH side to the  LRH corner. Its in the area between the  
 dark sky 
 light. And yes, I still see it.


 Kenneth Waller
 http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


 - Original Message -
 From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PAW 2007 - 43 - GDG


 Kenneth Waller wrote:

 I don't see the magenta - either the trhee of us are really  
 going blind
 or Ken needs a trip to
 the eye doctor ;)



 I won't deny a trip to the eye doctors would probably help my close
 distance
 focus, but I've never had an issue with color.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://tinyurl.com/272u2f

 Well, I would say the same of mine - but I think, and I may be wrong,
 that what you see on the monitor that
 magenta streak, can come from a kind of eye problem whose name I  
 don't
 know...  but of course,
 looking at the screen and away at something else, or vice versa,  
 could
 bring it about...
 where is the streak you see?  do you still see it?

 ann



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 Subject: Re: PAW 2007 - 43 - GDG




 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:



 I don't either; it's a grayscale rendering .. ??

 Godfrey



 I don't see the magenta - either the trhee of us are really  
 going blind
 or Ken needs a trip to
 the eye doctor ;)

 godders, this isn't my kind of picture, either, and given my  
 proximity
 to certain structures in NY
 I find it rather creepy...  that is, I still have a real hard time
 looking up at a plane in the sky

 ann



 On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:





 Hi Ken,
 I don't see a magenta band. But I frequently miss things other  
 people
 see.
 Paul
 On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:





 As posted, it has a very light magenta band to it running  
 from ULH
 to LRH
 corner.
 The subject matter is un-interesting to me  I'm a little in a
 quandary as
 to the composition.





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Re: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread David Savage
Yeah!

Pfft...at about 7000 m/s it's not that hard to miss.

Cheers,

Dave

On 10/20/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We gotta fly them around every once in a while, just to prove we can.  ;-)
 (I'm mystified.  The real weapons have red noses as a visual warning.
 How do you miss that?)   Regards,  Bob S.

 On 10/20/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 20/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
  have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
  counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.
 
  We don't need to. Their skies are full of their own nukes ;-)

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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
No.
On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:37 AM, Tom C wrote:

 No.  But I read publicly available industry reports and news items  
 and am
 referring to what I read.  Good enough?

 Tom C.


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next  
 camera(s)
 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:49:10 +

 Tom,
 You know Hoya management? Can you introduce them to the rest of us?
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly
 with those holding the purse strings.

 I just can't see Hoya management, more pragmatic than the former
 Pentax mgmt., going down a risky road with a 645D.

 Tom C.

 On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy.

 -Adam

 Tom C wrote:
 Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades  
 and did
 have a respectable MF presence.  Where has that gotten them to
 today?


 Tom C.

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 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

 645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web  
 site. If
 the
 645d does return it will be a large scale New Product
 introduction.
 Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor
 do I
 think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real
 demand
 for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand  
 for K
 mount
 lenses.

 All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in  
 stock.
 Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide- 
 angle 645
 lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map.
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Re: Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice composition, great tonality. The receding DOF works well here.  
An attempt to do something different that works very well. I like it.
Paul
On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:34 AM, William Robb wrote:

 We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt tonight.  
 I got a
 number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I
 thought were nice.
 Here is one of them.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

 It's trying to be art, I think.

 Technical:

 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.

 Have at it.

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Re: GESO: Vivitar Series 1 105 macro

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Some nice compositions and color. Most would benefit from more DOF in  
my opinion. Are you shooting from a tripod?
Paul
On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:05 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 Nice lens. Fast becoming my favourite macro.

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_vivitarmacro/index.htm


 And an OT PESO (it was taken with a Fuji F20)
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_fashionistas/01.htm

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Re: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
To my old eyes, the focal point appears to be the knuckles and the  
ring. I would think that's the best choice here.
Paul
On Oct 20, 2007, at 5:03 AM, cbwaters wrote:

 That's really nice Bill.  I'd like to see the DOF just a little more
 forward, but I like it this way too.
 Cory

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 We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt  
 tonight. I got
 a
 number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I
 thought were nice.
 Here is one of them.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

 It's trying to be art, I think.

 Technical:

 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.

 Have at it.

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2 PESO: pentaxian

2007-10-20 Thread skye pdml
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skye/tags/pentaxian/

couple of quick snaps from the show. Some helpful folks set up the
latest firmware on my k10d which I was avoiding from sheer laziness,
then explained about how I can now use it to control my 540fgz (rather
than just being a master). Then they had to answer all my questions
and let me test out all the ltd lenses... it was a long hour or so for
at least one of us (and it was not me)...

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Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Himm.

I have a version here on the ibook, but maybe i'll down load on for
the PC and see what it does.

I could always use CKRename for rnaming, then irfanview for resize and
water marking, then drag the smaller pictures into jalbum.

Might be worth a try, and a different look for 2008

Dave

On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave -

 Try using JAlbum as your gallery generator - the one Scott is using for
 the PUG gallery.  Right clicking on the image only gets you the link to
 previous, index page or next image.  At least, that's the way it
 works w/Firefox 2.0.0.8.

 -p

 David J Brooks wrote:
  Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages.
 
  I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save
  picture as pop ups.
 
  Dave
 
  On 10/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dave, drop this line into the head of any web page.
 
   body oncontextmenu=return false;
 
  That will do it as best as you can.
 
  Here is a simple HTML:
  --code starts below this line--
  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
 
  html
 
   head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1
  body oncontextmenu=return false;
titleA Picture/title
   /head
 
   body bgcolor=black
pfont color=blackI suck!!/font/p
  center
  pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=1/p
  pimg src=nytimes.jpg/p
  pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=16/p
  /center
   /body
  /html
  -code ends above this
  line-
  Note where I located the line mentioned.
 
  Now go here and try to save the picture using either right click or 
  keyboard
  shorcuts.
 
  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/nytimes.html
 
  This will stop the casual web browser. As has been mentioned before, 
  nothing
  can stop the serious people who are intent on grabbing your content no
  matter what.
 
  William Robb
 
 
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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Dave, just be sure that whatever you do, the way the broken parts are 
aligned is not disturbed.

And heal fast!

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Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 I have been waiting for more information on this. I expect Ned is  
 pretty busy these past couple of weeks, and of course he's been in NY  
 for the past week with the PhotoPlus Expo.
 
 Personally, I don't really need more high end products ... my  
 photography doesn't require a whole lot of more zoomy equipment ...  
 but having professional services available for rapid turnaround on  
 repairs, loaners, etc when an assignment comes up that I need to  
 cover would be very useful.
 
 Godfrey

I think that it also means that Pentax and whomever is behind them are 
more hmmm tightly (I am not sure this is the right word, but still) 
committed to their camera business and their customers.

Another question that I have.

Suppose purely theoretically that some of PDMLers become members of the 
Pro Services. Suppose some of another list member, let it be me, for 
example ;-), gear is broken. I guess I would be able to send my broken 
stuff to generous PDMLer to help me fix it more professionaly, right?

Boris

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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice stitching job and an interesting scene. I'm left wishing the  
area below the horizon were brighter.
Paul
On Oct 20, 2007, at 7:00 AM, David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

 The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
  I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
 thought that was kinda' cool :-)

 Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
 extra info available inside the image.

 This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.

 Cheers,

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Re: 16-50, local stores etc.

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
The Henrys in Newmarket, thats the closest store for me, usually has
some Pentax stuff. Lat time they had the K100 and a few DA lenses and
the 360 and 540 flashes.

I didi not see any Ltds but not suprised. Stuff liek that needs to be
ordered through the outlet.

The 77 ltd price i paid was a lot less than $1100. I beleive it was
$699 Candian, which was $200 less than Camera Canada in London
Ontario.

However sayimg that, they still don't seem to push it, unless asked
for it or aboyt it.



Dave

On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Henry's in downtown Toronto has (last I checked, a day or so ago):

 All the DA lenses except the 40 Limited, 2 43 Limiteds, 2 50/1.4's, 2 each of 
 the D-FA Macro's, 3 16-50's, a 50-135, a half dozen 360 and 540's, a couple 
 MZ-M's, K10D's, K100D's and K100D Super's galore and a full set of finder and 
 remote accessories.

 -Adam


 Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
  I stopped by a local store (Nelson) here, in San Diego.
  I was surprised by the inventory they had for Pentax
  K10D, K100D, 16-50/2.8 ($900), 50-135 ($1000), 77/1.8 ($1100),
  40/2.8, 50 (?probably macro, f/2.8)...
  And this was at their smaller store in La Jolla.
 
  First of all, I was surpised to see 16-50 and 50-135 in stock,
  while even large mail-order places don't have them.
  Second, I was surprised to see them at these prices,
  especially in contrast to the $1100 for the 77-ltd.
  I guess, it is because these prices are still at or close to MSRP,
  and that's probably an indication that they will go down (at mailorder
  placed) once the initial rush is over and the supply catches up
  with the demand.
 
  It was nice to see these lenses live. I was pleasantly surprised that
  the 16-50 is smaller then I expected (it is smaller then my
  Tokina 28-70/2.6-2.8 atx-pro). So, it was very tempting...
 
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Re: GESO: Vivitar Series 1 105 macro

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Derby,
I think the Vivitar 105 macro has a good reputation and you show why.
At the risk of being a bore, here are some comments...
1) Blue Pansy(?) - Nice.  Did you see Ken Waller's comments about
holding the whole exposure back on red birds so the red doesn't
block-up.  Your yellow has this problem.  Ken talked about using
individual channels and curves to fix it.  Something about lowering
the whole exposure and bringing the other channels back up later.
2) Orchid - Dreamy composition with single vertical pedal, but not
enough in focus for my tastes.
3) Orchid branch/bunch - Sharp blossoms really draw the eye.  Out of
focus blossoms are a big distraction :-(  This is a continuing problem
when trying to get the composition you are shooting for.  Keep working
on it.
4) see 3
5) I think the subject is interesting but ugly.  I'd lose the 2nd
spike in the lower left of the photo.  I think it detracts, competing
with the main spike.  I especially appreciated the contrast between
the pointy/hairy bits with water drops and the creamy background.
6) Can you get more detail in the blossom?  What works for me is the
contrast between the blossom and the soft stem and background.
7) I like the composition with the two bright background spots.  Stem
is sharper but Lady Slipper Orchid blossom is not.  Better might be
more DOF to get both in focus.
8) My favorite of this set.  The colors remind me of an abstract
painting and showing all those bits so sharp is a real challenge.  A
difficult shot with a great result.  I wish my attempts were so
successful.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Nice lens. Fast becoming my favourite macro.

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_vivitarmacro/index.htm


 And an OT PESO (it was taken with a Fuji F20)
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_fashionistas/01.htm

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Re: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ya, but how to you hang them under the plane on a training mission.
The training dummies don't have red noses.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/20/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah!

 Pfft...at about 7000 m/s it's not that hard to miss.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 On 10/20/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We gotta fly them around every once in a while, just to prove we can.  ;-)
  (I'm mystified.  The real weapons have red noses as a visual warning.
  How do you miss that?)   Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On 10/20/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 20/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
  
   Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
   have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
   counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.
  
   We don't need to. Their skies are full of their own nukes ;-)

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Toralf Lund
David Savage wrote:
 On 10/20/07, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I'd actually be surprised if they went for a 12 or 14 bit variant from
 Sony, or any 3rd party producer, seeing as the K10D has a special A/D
 converter designed by Pentax.
 

 I don't believe they designed the A/D converter.
No, probably not. I didn't choose my wording carefully when I said they 
did. The point was that they are using an A/D different from the one 
that's supplied by or recommended the sensor producer, and that's (I 
think) integrated into the image processing chip - so the sensor 
variants suggested don't quite seem to fit in.
  Evidence suggests
 that it was an off the shelf item from Nucore.
   

 Remember the 22bit marketing hype before the K10D was released?:
   
Distinctly...
 http://www.nucoretech.com/nu3/20_products/tech_backgrounder/ndx-2240_start.html
 http://www.nucoretech.com/nu3/images/80_downloads/pb_ndx2240.us.pdf

 Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Nice photo and good stiching.  I like how the sky turned out.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 G'day All,

 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

 The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
  I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
 thought that was kinda' cool :-)

 Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
 extra info available inside the image.

 This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.

 Cheers,

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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread Toralf Lund
David Mann wrote:
 Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's  
 feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the  
 painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only  
 taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A  
 couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.
   
You should take all your medicine, or your doctor may get fewer free 
dinners and trips to nice locations next year ;-)

- T


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Re: OT: 1 week on

2007-10-20 Thread ann sanfedele
dave -
Didn't know about this earlier - having had a broken shoulder I um feel 
your pain...
I screwed myself up by not getting as much phys theorpy as I should have 
(although I had an excuse)
so by all means don't miss a beat on that score... I never got my full 
range of motion back.

Also, don't try to bull through the pain without pain killers  - not 
being in pain helps you heal

No I'm not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday inn last night  - Har !

Just feeling uncommonly motherly this week

ann


David Mann wrote:

Its already been a week since I broke my left collarbone and it's  
feeling a lot better than I would have expected.  I cut the  
painkillers down to bedtime-only after a couple of days (I was only  
taking about half of what I was allowed to in the first place).  A  
couple of days later I decided to stop them altogether.

I have my first physio appointment on Tuesday, then it's back to the  
fracture clinic on Thursday for a checkup.  Most of my healthcare is  
covered by ACC, our state-run provider of accident coverage.  Its  
reputation is pretty typical for any government department but I'm  
still glad it's there.

The damage to the bike, as far as I can tell, is just a bent front  
wheel - the road rash on the rim suggests that it actually went under  
the wheel of the van that I only just missed myself.  There are also  
some nasty scratches on one of the brake levers.  I'll have the bike  
fully checked out anyway as you never know what else might be wrong.   
I'm especially sensitive about brakes, for some reason ;)

BTW I'd like to thank everyone here again for their wishes, they were  
quite lifting :)

Cheers,

- Dave

  




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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Good work Dave, and excellent stitching

Dave

On 10/20/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day All,

 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

 The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
  I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
 thought that was kinda' cool :-)

 Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
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 This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.

 Cheers,

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Re: 2 PESO: pentaxian

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
The second shot is interesting.

Dave

On 10/20/07, skye pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/skye/tags/pentaxian/

 couple of quick snaps from the show. Some helpful folks set up the
 latest firmware on my k10d which I was avoiding from sheer laziness,
 then explained about how I can now use it to control my 540fgz (rather
 than just being a master). Then they had to answer all my questions
 and let me test out all the ltd lenses... it was a long hour or so for
 at least one of us (and it was not me)...

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DA* lenses with FF sensor (was next move from Pentax: hints about sensor)

2007-10-20 Thread Roman Melihhov
Pentax expands for new hungry markets like Russia and one on my friend 
in St. Petersburg has attended Pentax presentations to try DA* 50-135mm 
f2.8 lens not so long ago. Only Pentax he has with him was older FF film 
body and he claimed there were about 3mm blackouts in the FF viewfinder 
corners, meaning DA* lenses cover almost full frame and would definitely 
cover 1.3x or 1.25x crop. This is good news in anticipation of bigger 
that APS-C crop sensors to come into game.

Just my 2¢

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Not buying, not buying, not...

Dave

On 10/19/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree. And it will make a nice camera paired with the K10D as backup.
 Paul
 On Oct 19, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

  Good bet?
 
  12MP, 5fps, improved AF system, ~20 RAW buffer, 1-2 stops better
  high ISO noise. ISO200-6400 native.  New shutter with 1/8000 and
  1/250 sync.
 
  Possibly with 14bit RAW's and Live View. Hopefully all stuffed into
  a K10D body (I like the K10D body)
 
  Sounds like a good prognostication to me.
 
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Re: PESO: Visitor in the office

2007-10-20 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:20, David Mann wrote:

 On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html

 That's just begging for use on icanhascheezburger.com


The cat's new owner is planning on using the photo for some sort of  
meme so I'll point him there for consideration!

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Thibouille
Hmm if they do not go for the Sony sensor (which is the current
highlight in various speculations) then I'd say 14Mpix.

Cypress maybe? I dunno what they are worth, honestly. Or a PentSungYa
of some sort ;)

But they need to update the K100D as well so why not a combined 12Mpix
K200D / 14Mpix offer K1D or something like that? I know 12Mpix10Mpix
of the K10D but Canon did the same si what the heck is that really
important...

The other specs you list are very nice ideed ;) For those who like the
MZ-S concept, they might (eve if I beleive they won't ever) use the
body but the concept including aperture ring use is of course
completely doomed since DA lenses (including DA*) do not have the said
aperture ring.

My 2 cents...

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Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 20, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I think that it also means that Pentax and whomever is behind them are
 more hmmm tightly (I am not sure this is the right word, but still)
 committed to their camera business and their customers.

I certainly hope it means that Pentax is strengthening their interest  
in the professional photographer with respect to their camera  
business, yes.

Godfrey

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Re: It is crazy... (or lost opportunities for Pentax)

2007-10-20 Thread Igor Roshchin
Fri Oct 19 19:12:21 EDT 2007
Doug Franklin wrote:

 Bob Blakely wrote:
  No, but it's where I'm going to get some of my money. Careful choice of the 
  best of the most desired has made the value of my collection grow over the 
  years. If you buy the good stuff that everyone covets, you don't loose, it 
  grows in value.
 
 True, but I won't sell some of them unless it's either that or starve to 
 death, or I end up switching systems down the road.  I could make a huge 
 profit on the 1.7X T/C and the FA* 200/2.8, for example, but they're 
 /much/ too good to let go of.
 

Doug,
This would be exactly my opinion if I had either of these lenses.

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Peter Fairweather wrote:

 On 20/10/2007, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/20/07, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd actually be surprised if they went for a 12 or 14 bit variant  
 from
 Sony, or any 3rd party producer, seeing as the K10D has a special  
 A/D
 converter designed by Pentax.

 I don't believe they designed the A/D converter. Evidence suggests
 that it was an off the shelf item from Nucore.

 Remember the 22bit marketing hype before the K10D was released?:

 Marketing hype?? Please use the correct technical term. Bullsh**

I'm not sure what portion of the information that Pentax is using a  
22bit A-D converter in the K10D is either marketing hype or horsepucky.

They use a higher bit space A-D converter to allow greater accuracy  
in the transform from voltage to discrete intensity values, it's  
produces a higher resolution fit to the voltage potentials which are  
sampled down to the 12 bit output quantization space. What practical  
value this lends is contributory to the K10D's excellent image  
qualities and in-camera image processing capabilities.

Yes, there's marketing hype associated... but that's assumed. ;-)

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Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement

2007-10-20 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement




 I certainly hope it means that Pentax is strengthening their interest
 in the professional photographer with respect to their camera
 business, yes.

Before digital, they had (at least in Canada) very good pro service on their 
pro cameras (read 6x7/645).
I don't think they can ignore that the pro market has moved to digital, and 
that their pro presence has to move with it.
My harping about AF and buffer size/speed on the K10 aside, it's a capable 
enough camera for just about every kind of phoography, be it pro or amateur, 
and the lenses they are putting out now are also pro calibre for image 
quality (the 21 is a bit slow for my taste).
With the 16-50 and 50-135 f2.8 zooms now on the market, they have built an 
excellent base for attracting pros in with the equipment.
The 60-250 will be a welcome addition as well.

I've come to recognize that most photographers, pro or amateur, are now 
married to zoom lenses (I'm not there yet, but I'll probably up my number of 
zooms to two with the 60-250), and that they are definitely capable of 
giving excellent results.
I think a good pro service program and some good flogging of it in the trade 
publications would do them as much good as a 14mp camera.

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Re: Interesting times with Pentax

2007-10-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Thibouille wrote:

Hmm if they do not go for the Sony sensor (which is the current
highlight in various speculations) then I'd say 14Mpix.

It is very likely that the K10D will be the last Pentax camera to use a 
Sony sensor (except perhaps for some lower end models).


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Re: OT - Britain Surrenders :-)

2007-10-20 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote:
 Looks like our fake surrender tactic is working - those colonial fools
 have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. It will soon be time for the
 counter-attack, when they're least expecting it.

/Noone/ expects the Bloke-ish Inquisition!

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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular 
engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and you 
get 
10 times the power output you thought you were supposed to, you do not proceed 
with testing.

The fact is that the Blackbird was retired because it was obsolete. The current 
crop of stealth aircraft can do everything it could, plus are operational 
combat 
aircraft. Also, current recon satellites are so good that it would be stupid to 
bother with replacing it.


Bob Blakely wrote:
 The top speed and altitude of the craft is still classified for some reason. 
 Only NASA flies the few that are left. Under orders from the government, all 
 the molds for the skin and other special jigs used in construction of the 
 craft were destroyed.
 
 Regards,
 Bob...
 
 Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection.
   -Jean Luc Godard
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Yes the SR-71 was beautiful too.  Almost science fiction.

 Tom C.


 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Oct 18, 2007, at 1:14 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Can we talk about the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter?  Please Bob?
 There's a
 plane that is gorgeous.  The B-58 Hustler gives me goosebumps too.
 That was the most beautiful aircraft ever designed, IMHO.

 Okay, there's the Spitfire, but it's the most beautiful (and dangerous
 looking) jet was (and is) the Starfighter.
 The Starfighter is beautiful, but my personal favorite has been the
 SR-71 Blackbird since I first saw a picture of one over 35 years ago.
 
 

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Re: Haven't posted a PESO in a while...

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, Mark, perhaps you could post slightly more of your photographs. 
This one is most pleasant to look at.

Boris

Mark Roberts wrote:
 So here's one from a couple of years ago:
 http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d504802.htm
 
 ist-D and 43 Limited.
 Adjustments in Photoshop for color/levels/curves, but the 
 impressionistic effect is caused by photographing the reflection of the 
 chateau in the water.
 
 Oh yeah... I also used Photoshop to flip the image 180 degrees so it's 
 right side up :)
 
 
 


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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Another urban legend. The fact is that by the time the bullets slowed that much 
their trajectory would have dropped below the aircrafts line of flight.

I saw a training film while in the AF of a pair of F-104's strafing concrete 
pillboxes in which they first hit it with rockets and then made a second pass 
with their Gatling guns, so the idea that they did not have guns is ridiculous.

The most interesting thing to me was that after the rocket attack the pillboxes 
looked like the photos of bombed out buildings you saw in magazine photos, 
after 
the Vulcan Gatling gun pass there was nothing left standing. Of course the 
supersonic shock wave from a couple of 104's going over at 25 feet, or so, most 
likely helped flatten the shattered pillboxes, but the Gatlings were outright 
amazing. IIRC, they were the 20mm's which means 5000 HE rounds per minute.

So, as I recall it the F-104 (or at least one version) was armed with one 20mm 
Vulcan Gating gun in the nose, four rocket launchers under each wing, and I 
believe there was a hard point under the belly for one bomb or drop tank for 
increased range.




John Sessoms wrote:
 From: Adam Maas
 
 Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level
 nuke ground attack birds (Absolutely no air-to-air capability due to
 lacking a gun prior to 1972 and a dedicated ground-attack radar
 instead of the normal air-to-air set). We shoulda bought F-105 thuds
 instead.

 The CF-104 killed a lot of Canadians.
 
 
 AFAIK, none of the F-104s were equipped with guns.
 
 There's one minor problem with guns in super-sonic interceptors. Once 
 the bullets leave the barrel, air resistance slows them dramatically. 
 The aircraft, still flying at super-sonic speed, rapidly overtakes them.
 
 Doesn't matter if the bullet catches up with you from behind or you 
 catch up with it ... the end result is still un-wanted holes in the 
 aircraft.
 

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Re: PESO - Beach Scene

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Bruce, I am sorry, but this one does not work for me. The middle part of 
the beach, the ground - it seems to actually break the picture apart. At 
least in my eyes.

No offense meant of course!

Boris




Bruce Dayton wrote:
 Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused
 the soft glow depicted.
 
 
 Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm
 ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld
 
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/ptreyes_0097.htm
 


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Re: Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Bill, it works. It grows on the viewer (me) slowly but surely. I wonder 
how it will look in plain black and white.

Boris

William Robb wrote:
 We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt tonight. I got a 
 number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I 
 thought were nice.
 Here is one of them.
 
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html
 
 It's trying to be art, I think.
 
 Technical:
 
 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.
 
 Have at it.
 
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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
I do admit that there is very certain feeling of presence as I saw the 
panorama unfolding before my eyes! Lovely done!

Boris

David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,
 
 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov
 
 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames
 
 The original .psb file is 1.2GB, the image itself is 35081x4127 pixels
  I were to print it, would be 1.45m high by 12.4m long @ 72ppi (I
 thought that was kinda' cool :-)
 
 Also, for those who have Google Earth installed, there's a little
 extra info available inside the image.
 
 This was done just for fun, but any and all comments are welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 


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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Because Ike could not congress to pay for the bridge?

Which reminds me of a hoary old joke.

A guy finds an old oil lamp and when polishing it a Genie appears and tells him 
gets one wish. So the guy says he wants a bridge from Hawaii to San Fransisco 
named after him. The Genie says that is too hard ask for something else, so the 
guy says OK he wants to understand women. The Genie replies, How many lanes 
did 
you want that bridge to be?


John Sessoms wrote:

 Another thing ...
 
 Why does Hawaii have INTERSTATE highways? I mean, what other states can 
 you drive to from Hawaii?   ;-D
 

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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Well, Bob, sometime in the 1960's they determined that long straight stretches 
of road caused accidents because drivers quit paying attention, so they quit 
designing them that way. They actually put in curves where none are needed now.

Also when dealing with governments strange things happen. For instance, when I 
worked for the Michigan DOT we (the state) maintained the on and off ramps, 
while the counties maintained the Interstate itself.

Bob Sullivan wrote:
 John,
 Yes, Hawaii has about 6 miles of Interstate Highway (if I remember
 correctly).  Everybody has to get their political pork.
 And I don't believe 1 mile out of every 5 has to be straight.
 (I've probably been on 20,000 of the 42,000 miles of interstate in the USA.)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Sorenson
The latest version of JAlbum is 7.3.  It will resize the images for you 
and the Chameleon skin has a watermark function so all you need to do 
externally is re-name the files.

-p

David J Brooks wrote:
 Himm.
 
 I have a version here on the ibook, but maybe i'll down load on for
 the PC and see what it does.
 
 I could always use CKRename for rnaming, then irfanview for resize and
 water marking, then drag the smaller pictures into jalbum.
 
 Might be worth a try, and a different look for 2008
 
 Dave
 
 On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave -

 Try using JAlbum as your gallery generator - the one Scott is using for
 the PUG gallery.  Right clicking on the image only gets you the link to
 previous, index page or next image.  At least, that's the way it
 works w/Firefox 2.0.0.8.

 -p

 David J Brooks wrote:
 Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages.

 I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save
 picture as pop ups.

 Dave

 On 10/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave, drop this line into the head of any web page.

  body oncontextmenu=return false;

 That will do it as best as you can.

 Here is a simple HTML:
 --code starts below this line--
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN

 html

  head
   meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1
 body oncontextmenu=return false;
   titleA Picture/title
  /head

  body bgcolor=black
   pfont color=blackI suck!!/font/p
 center
 pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=1/p
 pimg src=nytimes.jpg/p
 pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=16/p
 /center
  /body
 /html
 -code ends above this
 line-
 Note where I located the line mentioned.

 Now go here and try to save the picture using either right click or 
 keyboard
 shorcuts.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/nytimes.html

 This will stop the casual web browser. As has been mentioned before, 
 nothing
 can stop the serious people who are intent on grabbing your content no
 matter what.

 William Robb


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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
When I rode the train through Montana, when was it 2003?, there were actually 
NG 
troops at the doors of the train at one stop. There were also some US Marshalls 
stomping up and down the aisles of the train. I thought for a moment that the 
train had wound up somewhere in Europe during the late 30's somehow. I remember 
someone saying that station was only 10 miles from the border. I guess Frank 
and 
Dave were trying to sneak in.


Paul Stenquist wrote:
 New York has the largest share of Homeland Security dollars. If you  
 break it down into per capita spending, it's obvious that some of the  
 states with no people get more dollars per person. I don't think it's  
 Wyoming, however. It's probably North Dakota or Montana. Thousands of  
 miles of border. It's a no brainer. They need the funding.
 Paul
 PS: Not that the Canadians are going to nuke us:-). But there are  
 some leaks up there in the great northern expanses.
 On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Joseph Tainter
 Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics


 Why does Hawaii have INTERSTATE highways? I mean, what other  
 states can
 you drive to from Hawaii?   ;-D

 Whatever makes you think that road projects are primarily about  
 moving
 vehicles?

 Hawaii, I suspect, has interstate highways for the same reason that
 Wyoming (or some such state) has more Homeland Security dollars per
 capita than New York.
 Mountain hideaways cost more than penthouse suites
 WW

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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
The design role of the 104 was never air to air combat. It was designed as a 
ground attack aircraft, not as an fighter/interceptor. It had no need for air 
to 
air combat capability as it could out run any fighter/interceptor in the world 
when it was introduced. Also It did not have the maneuverability a 
fighter/interceptor needed. Yes, I know some small countries used it as an 
fighter/interceptor, but that was because they were given the aircraft by, 
guess 
who, probably with the knowledge that if we ever needed to attack their country 
they would not be able to fight off our planes with it. The Air Force did not 
see much need for air to air fighters in that period; on the other hand the 
Navy 
was heavily into air to air fighters as their perceived role was to fight off 
air attacks on the fleets.


mike wilson wrote:
 From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/10/18 Thu PM 08:14:36 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

 Well, Canada did buy a bunch of F-104's. Too bad ours were low-level nuke 
 ground attack birds (Absolutely no air-to-air capability due to lacking a 
 gun prior to 1972 and a dedicated ground-attack radar instead of the normal 
 air-to-air set). We shoulda bought F-105 thuds instead.

 The CF-104 killed a lot of Canadians.  
 
 Not to mention the Germans and Americans.  Should have gone for the EE 
 Lightning.
 
 
 
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Re: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

 Technical:
 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.

Nice shot with some good potential. It's all in the rendering ...

- I like the warmth but find it's a bit too warm, it taints the  
highlights and color of the fleshtones a bit too much for my eye.  
Converting to BW, nipping up the contrast a little bit while  
preserving the lower edge separation between hand and guitar, and  
then bringing some of the color saturation back in to warm it up  
might produce a more pleasing warm tonal rendition.

- Another thing is that I find the 2:3 oblong composition with the  
neck of the guitar making a strong diagonal to a corner is a little  
distracting, and the defocus as my eye follows the strings to the  
corner adds to that distraction. A very nearly square crop focusing  
on the hand, the ring, and the central part of the guitar body would  
make a much stronger composition.

Hope that give you strength ... ;-)

Godfrey

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Re: PESO: Challenger Harbour

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:00 AM, David Savage wrote:

 For those who like 360 degree panoramas, I took this last night after
 work (~480kb Quicktime VR, not spherical):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/K10D/pano_02.mov

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, f11 @ 0.4 seconds, ISO 100. 27 frames

I'm not a big fan of these kinds of panoramas, but you've done a good  
job with this one.

Godfrey

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Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The latest version of JAlbum is 7.3.  It will resize the images for you
 and the Chameleon skin has a watermark function so all you need to do
 externally is re-name the files.

I tried that on the ibbok version. I dragged about 200 full size
photos into the album, and hit the generate button. The time shows 5
hours to make the album.

Thats when i gave up on it.

Dave

 -p

 David J Brooks wrote:
  Himm.
 
  I have a version here on the ibook, but maybe i'll down load on for
  the PC and see what it does.
 
  I could always use CKRename for rnaming, then irfanview for resize and
  water marking, then drag the smaller pictures into jalbum.
 
  Might be worth a try, and a different look for 2008
 
  Dave
 
  On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dave -
 
  Try using JAlbum as your gallery generator - the one Scott is using for
  the PUG gallery.  Right clicking on the image only gets you the link to
  previous, index page or next image.  At least, that's the way it
  works w/Firefox 2.0.0.8.
 
  -p
 
  David J Brooks wrote:
  Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages.
 
  I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save
  picture as pop ups.
 
  Dave
 
  On 10/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dave, drop this line into the head of any web page.
 
   body oncontextmenu=return false;
 
  That will do it as best as you can.
 
  Here is a simple HTML:
  --code starts below this line--
  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
 
  html
 
   head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1
  body oncontextmenu=return false;
titleA Picture/title
   /head
 
   body bgcolor=black
pfont color=blackI suck!!/font/p
  center
  pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=1/p
  pimg src=nytimes.jpg/p
  pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=16/p
  /center
   /body
  /html
  -code ends above this
  line-
  Note where I located the line mentioned.
 
  Now go here and try to save the picture using either right click or 
  keyboard
  shorcuts.
 
  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/nytimes.html
 
  This will stop the casual web browser. As has been mentioned before, 
  nothing
  can stop the serious people who are intent on grabbing your content no
  matter what.
 
  William Robb
 
 
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Re: Peso: An evening with Chuck Rose

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Great shot.

Like the DOF used

Dave

On 10/20/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We went to see a friend of ours play at a local resteraunt tonight. I got a
 number of the standard man eats microphone pictures, amd a few that I
 thought were nice.
 Here is one of them.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/peso/guitar1.html

 It's trying to be art, I think.

 Technical:

 K10, A*85mm/1.4 at f1.4 for 1/50th second.
 The warmth is deliberate.

 Have at it.

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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Blakely


Regards,
Bob...

Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection.
  -Jean Luc Godard

- Original Message - 
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics


 A conspiracy theory there, Bob?

No, just the facts.

 Personally I like the one for the nucular
 engines for the B-1 Bomber. When you are dealing with atomic energy and 
 you get
 10 times the power output you thought you were supposed to, you do not 
 proceed
 with testing.

Never heard that nonsense before.

 The fact is that the Blackbird was retired because it was obsolete. The 
 current
 crop of stealth aircraft can do everything it could, plus are operational 
 combat
 aircraft. Also, current recon satellites are so good that it would be 
 stupid to
 bother with replacing it.

Actually, it's obsolete for reasons other than speed or altitude supremacy. 
And no, current the crop of stealth aircraft can't do everything it could. 
It's still a Mach 3.2+, sustained flight aircraft with an 80,000+ ft 
cruising altitude, 85,000+ ft ceiling. I know of no other existing aircraft 
or drone capable of sustaining this type of heat, though there are rumors of 
Aurora. One day the government will remove the pluses and we'll have the 
actual figures. The SR-71 is simply not cost effective any more. It uses 
JP-7 fuel,which is somewhat ago a problem. Further, turnaround time of 
intelligence is not adequate for tactical commanders. As to overhead 
resources, keep in mind that satellites exist in predictable orbits. Hide 
yourself and/or your activities when the SV's pass. The satellites can be 
maneuvered, but this takes serious propellant and is expensive as it reduces 
the life of the very costly satellites drastically. Further, though the 
overheads have amazing capabilities, the photos are NOT as good as those 
from reconnaissance aircraft. It's about altitude, that is distance. All 
lenses are ultimately limited in angular resolution by diffraction as 
expressed by the Airy disk phenomenon. This means that for a given aperture, 
the ground resolution decreases with the altitude of the sensor.

the molds for the skin and other special jigs used in construction of the 
craft were destroyed because the US isn't going to make any more and 
Lockheed was charging a pretty penny for large volume classified storage at 
the time.


 Bob Blakely wrote:
 The top speed and altitude of the craft is still classified for some 
 reason.
 Only NASA flies the few that are left. Under orders from the government, 
 all
 the molds for the skin and other special jigs used in construction of the
 craft were destroyed.

 Regards,
 Bob...
 
 Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection.
   -Jean Luc Godard

 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Yes the SR-71 was beautiful too.  Almost science fiction.

 Tom C.


 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Oct 18, 2007, at 1:14 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 Can we talk about the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter?  Please Bob?
 There's a
 plane that is gorgeous.  The B-58 Hustler gives me goosebumps too.
 That was the most beautiful aircraft ever designed, IMHO.

 Okay, there's the Spitfire, but it's the most beautiful (and dangerous
 looking) jet was (and is) the Starfighter.
 The Starfighter is beautiful, but my personal favorite has been the
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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Making a threatening comment about The President is a Federal Felony these 
days. 
I would think inviting him to commit suicide is a gray area however.


John Sessoms wrote:
 From: mike wilson
 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 Presidents should simply commit hara-kiri when their approval rating  
 falls below 20% and make way for the next joker. GWB could be a  
 leader and show the way ... History would them remember him well.
 I think you just issued an invitation to the Homeland Security goons.
 
 
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Re: Starfighters Co.

2007-10-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
So here's the answer:
www.dariobonazza/public/Fiat_G59.jpg

It's a 1948 Fiat G59, a derivative of the WWII-era G55 with a Merlin engine.
In Italy, it was only used as a trainer (hence the 2-seat cockpit), while a
few were also built with as single-seater fighters for other armed forces.

Thanks to all those trying to guess the warbird.

Dario



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Re: GESO: Vivitar Series 1 105 macro

2007-10-20 Thread Derby Chang

!! Thanks Bob,

Most thorough reply. I agree with you and Paul about the DOF. Tricky, 
though because I was in the public orchid house, so it is frowned upon 
to bring in tripods and move the flowers around. Still, I might try a 
monopod next time.

D



Bob Sullivan wrote:
 Derby,
 I think the Vivitar 105 macro has a good reputation and you show why.
 At the risk of being a bore, here are some comments...
 1) Blue Pansy(?) - Nice.  Did you see Ken Waller's comments about
 holding the whole exposure back on red birds so the red doesn't
 block-up.  Your yellow has this problem.  Ken talked about using
 individual channels and curves to fix it.  Something about lowering
 the whole exposure and bringing the other channels back up later.
 2) Orchid - Dreamy composition with single vertical pedal, but not
 enough in focus for my tastes.
 3) Orchid branch/bunch - Sharp blossoms really draw the eye.  Out of
 focus blossoms are a big distraction :-(  This is a continuing problem
 when trying to get the composition you are shooting for.  Keep working
 on it.
 4) see 3
 5) I think the subject is interesting but ugly.  I'd lose the 2nd
 spike in the lower left of the photo.  I think it detracts, competing
 with the main spike.  I especially appreciated the contrast between
 the pointy/hairy bits with water drops and the creamy background.
 6) Can you get more detail in the blossom?  What works for me is the
 contrast between the blossom and the soft stem and background.
 7) I like the composition with the two bright background spots.  Stem
 is sharper but Lady Slipper Orchid blossom is not.  Better might be
 more DOF to get both in focus.
 8) My favorite of this set.  The colors remind me of an abstract
 painting and showing all those bits so sharp is a real challenge.  A
 difficult shot with a great result.  I wish my attempts were so
 successful.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On 10/20/07, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Nice lens. Fast becoming my favourite macro.

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_vivitarmacro/index.htm


 And an OT PESO (it was taken with a Fuji F20)
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_fashionistas/01.htm

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Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/20/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They actually put in curves where none are needed now.

Doesn't seem to bother Mark.:-)

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Re: Starfighters Co.

2007-10-20 Thread Dario Bonazza
Of course, I missed the .com:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/Fiat_G59.jpg

Dario


- Original Message - 
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 So here's the answer:
 www.dariobonazza/public/Fiat_G59.jpg

 It's a 1948 Fiat G59, a derivative of the WWII-era G55 with a Merlin
 engine.
 In Italy, it was only used as a trainer (hence the 2-seat cockpit), while
 a
 few were also built with as single-seater fighters for other armed forces.

 Thanks to all those trying to guess the warbird.

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Re: my new photo book SIGNS GONE BY - was : FS Friday - coals to New Castle

2007-10-20 Thread ann sanfedele
David J Brooks wrote:

Ann, finally had a chance to look at the photos for the calander.
There are great.


thanks!


One question with cafe press. Do you put the calander together using
their software, or just send them photoso and say you want a calander
made.

Dave


I just  load up the images and they do the rest.  There isn't any 
accomodation for text -
so what I do is include the text in the image file .  You upload to an 
image basket
select wall calendar from the product and it is pretty much follow the 
dots... do the cover
first and then it will show you each month and you grab the images from 
your basket and
put them in... pretty easy.  They put it together and take care of all 
the scut work after you
have set your mark up and such and opened your store...

I always do order one calendar for myself to check it out  - they are 
super about returns
and do overs by the way  and actually will talk to you over the phone ! 
a great plus in
my estimation

If you (or anyone) has an idea bout getting on cafepress, do use me as a 
reference -
I get a bit for it.  

They take a long time to pay (because of their return policy) but are 
very accomodating
in all respects.  

They want images in jpg or png   and there is a long list of dont's 
recarding trade makred and copyrighted stuff
but that is everywhere these days.

if you are goona do it and want more help write off list or call or 
something

xo,
ann




On 10/19/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

and, uh, make that Newcastle so I don't offend the Brits :)



Finally
SIGNS GONE BY  is in good shape and on sale here:

http://www.lulu.com/content/1228584

also, son of sign language the black and white calendar is here:

http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff.179091525

I went with the unposterized version of the photos, as you will see.

I know some of you wanted the son of Sign Language calendar
(the ones who kept nagging me about when was I gonna do it) so
pony up boys  :)

LIke my soft sell approach?

There is all that other stuff on the cafe press site of mine for sale too,
and the daybook and poetry book are on lulu...  If everyone on the list
bought just
one item from cafe press or bought one of the books there is a fair
chance I could
make by credit card payments without rotating them at least for one
month anyway.


Aside to Paul S  I had to remove the ICC RGB profile from all the
shots and reinsert them in
the doc file to correct the color..  ugh!  But there was a great guy at
lulu helping me straighten it out.


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Re: Starfighters Co.

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

 So here's the answer:
 http://www.dariobonazza.com/public/Fiat_G59.jpg

 It's a 1948 Fiat G59, a derivative of the WWII-era G55 with a  
 Merlin engine.
 In Italy, it was only used as a trainer (hence the 2-seat cockpit),  
 while a
 few were also built with as single-seater fighters for other armed  
 forces.

Very pretty!

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Re: my new photo book SIGNS GONE BY - was : FS Friday - coals to New Castle

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks. I will if i need more info


Dave

On 10/20/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:

 Ann, finally had a chance to look at the photos for the calander.
 There are great.
 

 thanks!

 
 One question with cafe press. Do you put the calander together using
 their software, or just send them photoso and say you want a calander
 made.
 
 Dave
 

 I just  load up the images and they do the rest.  There isn't any
 accomodation for text -
 so what I do is include the text in the image file .  You upload to an
 image basket
 select wall calendar from the product and it is pretty much follow the
 dots... do the cover
 first and then it will show you each month and you grab the images from
 your basket and
 put them in... pretty easy.  They put it together and take care of all
 the scut work after you
 have set your mark up and such and opened your store...

 I always do order one calendar for myself to check it out  - they are
 super about returns
 and do overs by the way  and actually will talk to you over the phone !
 a great plus in
 my estimation

 If you (or anyone) has an idea bout getting on cafepress, do use me as a
 reference -
 I get a bit for it.

 They take a long time to pay (because of their return policy) but are
 very accomodating
 in all respects.

 They want images in jpg or png   and there is a long list of dont's
 recarding trade makred and copyrighted stuff
 but that is everywhere these days.

 if you are goona do it and want more help write off list or call or
 something

 xo,
 ann



 
 On 10/19/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 and, uh, make that Newcastle so I don't offend the Brits :)
 
 
 
 Finally
 SIGNS GONE BY  is in good shape and on sale here:
 
 http://www.lulu.com/content/1228584
 
 also, son of sign language the black and white calendar is here:
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff.179091525
 
 I went with the unposterized version of the photos, as you will see.
 
 I know some of you wanted the son of Sign Language calendar
 (the ones who kept nagging me about when was I gonna do it) so
 pony up boys  :)
 
 LIke my soft sell approach?
 
 There is all that other stuff on the cafe press site of mine for sale 
 too,
 and the daybook and poetry book are on lulu...  If everyone on the list
 bought just
 one item from cafe press or bought one of the books there is a fair
 chance I could
 make by credit card payments without rotating them at least for one
 month anyway.
 
 
 Aside to Paul S  I had to remove the ICC RGB profile from all the
 shots and reinsert them in
 the doc file to correct the color..  ugh!  But there was a great guy at
 lulu helping me straighten it out.
 
 
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Re: PESO - Beach Scene

2007-10-20 Thread David J Brooks
Lovely.

I love the golden glow.

I agree with Ann.

calenders.

Dave

On 10/19/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Taken at the beach at Pt. Reyes - The sun was near setting and caused
 the soft glow depicted.


 Pentax K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm
 ISO 800, 1/3000 sec @ f/4.5, Handheld

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Art and About - Sydney Life

2007-10-20 Thread Derby Chang

Every year, during Good Food Month, there is a public art festival here 
in Sydney. One of the favourite events is the Sydney Life photo comp. 
The promo always describes them as bedsheet size prints hung under the 
wide avenue in Hyde Park. Only just managed to catch it yesterday, while 
the curator and a few of the photographers gave a commentary on the works.

If you have the bandwidth, a 3MB catalog is here

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/artandabout/Default.asp

The winner this year, Garry Trinh, is a surprising winner. He was taking 
photos of his neighbourhood in the Western suburbs, an area with a large 
multicultural mix, but also a fairly high crime area. He said, the shot 
of a modest bungalow, with all the windows shuttered, was taken a few 
weeks after the Cronulla riots (an ugly episode 2 years ago now). What 
was supposed to be a simple assignment became something more disturbing 
for him as he got fearful and openly hostile responses from his 
subjects. Great shot, and good on the judges for picking it over the 
other more conventional Sydney=pleasure photos.

But my pick was the ethereal Kings Cross portrait by Tom Williams. The 
girl was just someone on the street the photographer saw and asked if 
she would pose for him. She had been partying for 3 days without sleep. 
Just beautiful (and yes, I know I am contradicting myself :)

If you are in Sydney, today is the last day of the exhib.

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Re: It is crazy... (or lost opportunities for Pentax)

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Of course, if Pentax was making a modern version, or even the same version, the 
used ones would not be going that high. It is unavailability that is making it 
valuable.


Igor Roshchin wrote:
 About 1.5 years ago, at the very last moment I decided not to place
 my bid on e-bay for a Pentax 1.7x AF which I would have won for ~$150 
 or less if I placed that bid.
 In the last 2-5 months I saw them going on e-bay for about $300 or so.
 This morning one was bought for $610.
 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=250175380367
 
 Geee
 That's the market where Pentax is not getting its money.
 
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Re: Lens purchase saga

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Adorama ripped me off recently. BH has never ripped me off. To each his own, I 
guess.


Stan Halpin wrote:
 I have had generally good success with both. Adorama has tended to  
 have better selection of Pentax gear in the last few years. What got  
 me steamed about my recent experience is that they arbitrarily  
 cancelled my order and, even worse in my mind, did not let me know.
 I was not too surprised about the cancellation. My confirmed (?)  
 order was for the lens at a price which was $60 or so less than the  
 current discount-photo price. I was mildly surprised that they  
 honored the original price with the DA* 50-135. But what I did  
 expect, what I expect from any company with good customer service,  
 would have been an email along the lines of: we regret that we  
 cannot fill your order at the original price due to Pentax pricing  
 changes in the period since you first placed the order. Please  
 confirm that you still want the lens at the new price = $xxx.xx.  
 Instead they just cancelled the order.
 
 stan
 
 On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
 I've never dealt with Adorama. For some reason, they've always seemed
 a rather odd outfit to me. The folks at BH get most of my business.
 I've dealt with both. There's not a fig's worth of difference  
 between them.

 Both offer a fairly good selection and both give good service. I've  
 had
 the occasional problem with either one, but always had the problem
 resolved to my satisfaction.

 If I can't find something I need from a local dealer (like to keep  
 those
 local dealers in business in case I need 'em later), I won't  
 hesitate to
 purchase from either Adorama or BH.

 Sometimes one has the better price, sometimes the other does.

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Re: SR-71

2007-10-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
When they were decommissioned, the ultimate sacrilege was committed:  
they cut the wings and backbone on all but the three (?) left in  
NASA's care so that they could never be flown again. I practically  
cried when I heard that. I hate to see beautiful things destroyed,  
whether for good reason or not.

When I was at NASA/JPL, I worked in the Radar Science and Technology  
group. One day, in the basement lab where a lot of the equipment I  
occasionally had to deal with was located, a funny big lump of thing  
was delivered. It was a Synthetic Aperture Radar unit from the nose  
of an SR-71 ... declassified and now useless, they sent it to us to  
play with. It was an optical processing SAR, doing the essence of the  
required 2DFFT transformations required to take the returned  
backscatter from the radar chirps back into the spatial/intensity  
domain via a set of custom made, very complex lenses. To do this job,  
you need to know the vertical altitude, the speed of the aircraft,  
and the frequency of the radar transmit/receive cycling. The  
returning signal went through the lenses and wrote an image onto long  
reels of 70mm film, speed matched to the aircraft ground speed. The  
lenses had built into them the assumptions of altitude for image  
scanning data takes.

Three sets of lenses were packaged with the unit. Calculations showed  
one set was for FL 70, one for FL 80 and one for FL 90. So I know for  
a fact that the SR-71 was capable of hitting at least 90,000 foot  
elevations for data acquisition... And I'm sure there was at least a  
15-20% additional, emergency altitude buffer to get out of the way,  
fast!, when a surface-to-air or air-to-air missile was aimed at one.  
Of course at such altitudes it would likely be more akin to a  
ballistic missile than aeronautical flight!

My friend, Dr. Al Bowers of NASA/Dryden, was for a short time the  
manager of NASA's SR-71 planes. You've probably seen him on a couple  
of Discovery or Science Channel shows from time to time. He's a big  
Ducati and Alfa Romeo enthusiast, a cool guy, and is also into  
Hasselblads and Rolleis... I've often cajoled him that he should have  
someone take me up for a joyride... ;-)

The SR-71 was a unique and amazing aircraft. Whether its like will  
ever be seen again remains to be seen ... or it's flying now under  
the black shroud of security and we'll hear about it in another  
decade and some...

Godfrey

On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:

 Actually, it's obsolete for reasons other than speed or altitude  
 supremacy.
 And no, current the crop of stealth aircraft can't do everything it  
 could.
 It's still a Mach 3.2+, sustained flight aircraft with an 80,000+ ft
 cruising altitude, 85,000+ ft ceiling. I know of no other existing  
 aircraft
 or drone capable of sustaining this type of heat, though there are  
 rumors of
 Aurora. One day the government will remove the pluses and we'll  
 have the
 actual figures. The SR-71 is simply not cost effective any more. It  
 uses
 JP-7 fuel,which is somewhat ago a problem. Further, turnaround time of
 intelligence is not adequate for tactical commanders. As to overhead
 resources, keep in mind that satellites exist in predictable  
 orbits. Hide
 yourself and/or your activities when the SV's pass. The satellites  
 can be
 maneuvered, but this takes serious propellant and is expensive as  
 it reduces
 the life of the very costly satellites drastically. Further, though  
 the
 overheads have amazing capabilities, the photos are NOT as good as  
 those
 from reconnaissance aircraft. It's about altitude, that is  
 distance. All
 lenses are ultimately limited in angular resolution by diffraction as
 expressed by the Airy disk phenomenon. This means that for a given  
 aperture,
 the ground resolution decreases with the altitude of the sensor.

 the molds for the skin and other special jigs used in construction  
 of the
 craft were destroyed because the US isn't going to make any more and
 Lockheed was charging a pretty penny for large volume classified  
 storage at
 the time.


 Bob Blakely wrote:
 The top speed and altitude of the craft is still classified for some
 reason.
 Only NASA flies the few that are left. Under orders from the  
 government,
 all the molds for the skin and other special jigs used in  
 construction of the
 craft were destroyed.


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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
I want a full frame portable all in one back for my 4x5. It does not have to be 
high resolution, 4000x5000 will do fine for me.

How's that for a dream?


Rebekah wrote:
 Hopefully a new camera will drive down the price of the K10 :)
 
 But this 'I want FF' thing is really out of proportion IMO.
 
 What's wrong with dreaming of FF?

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GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Owens
The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in
October.

Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

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Re: Lens purchase saga

2007-10-20 Thread Derby Chang

Me too, graywolf.

Adorama have generally been ok for me, except when I bought the P67 
100mm macro, which I am sure the listing said w/ life converter. When 
it arrived, no converter. They said they packed everything that came 
with the lens. The listing of course wasn't on the site any more (and 
dummy me, I didn't save a copy).

Oh well.

D




graywolf wrote:
 Adorama ripped me off recently. BH has never ripped me off. To each his own, 
 I 
 guess.


 Stan Halpin wrote:
   
 I have had generally good success with both. Adorama has tended to  
 have better selection of Pentax gear in the last few years. What got  
 me steamed about my recent experience is that they arbitrarily  
 cancelled my order and, even worse in my mind, did not let me know.
 I was not too surprised about the cancellation. My confirmed (?)  
 order was for the lens at a price which was $60 or so less than the  
 current discount-photo price. I was mildly surprised that they  
 honored the original price with the DA* 50-135. But what I did  
 expect, what I expect from any company with good customer service,  
 would have been an email along the lines of: we regret that we  
 cannot fill your order at the original price due to Pentax pricing  
 changes in the period since you first placed the order. Please  
 confirm that you still want the lens at the new price = $xxx.xx.  
 Instead they just cancelled the order.

 stan

 On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
   
 I've never dealt with Adorama. For some reason, they've always seemed
 a rather odd outfit to me. The folks at BH get most of my business.
 
 I've dealt with both. There's not a fig's worth of difference  
 between them.

 Both offer a fairly good selection and both give good service. I've  
 had
 the occasional problem with either one, but always had the problem
 resolved to my satisfaction.

 If I can't find something I need from a local dealer (like to keep  
 those
 local dealers in business in case I need 'em later), I won't  
 hesitate to
 purchase from either Adorama or BH.

 Sometimes one has the better price, sometimes the other does.

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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
Or something like a 24x30 or 24x32 frame?

Toralf Lund wrote:

 
 On the other hand, as perhaps someone mentioned earlier, there's a lot 
 between 1.5x and 1.0x. It's been reported here that the DA lenses 
 generally cover very nearly the image circle required by 35mm film, so 
 perhaps they would be perfect for something like 1.3x. Or, I believe 
 someone talked about 1.2x, too; I must say I like the thought of that. 
 Maybe it's just because I think round numbers are nice...

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Re: Art and About - Sydney Life

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Walters
Hi Derby

My wife and I caught up with 'Art and About' last Wednesday.

I didn't particularly like the winning entry.  It's a good photo but not 
especially outstanding in my view.  My favourites were Christine Gleisner's 
Martin and Madge and, for a bit of fun, Adrian Cook's Easter, Marrickville, 
NSW.


Cheers

Brian

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 Quoting Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 Every year, during Good Food Month, there is a public art festival
 here 
 in Sydney. One of the favourite events is the Sydney Life photo
 comp. 
 The promo always describes them as bedsheet size prints hung
 under the 
 wide avenue in Hyde Park. Only just managed to catch it yesterday,
 while 
 the curator and a few of the photographers gave a commentary on the
 works.
 
 If you have the bandwidth, a 3MB catalog is here
 
 http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/artandabout/Default.asp
 
 The winner this year, Garry Trinh, is a surprising winner. He was
 taking 
 photos of his neighbourhood in the Western suburbs, an area with a
 large 
 multicultural mix, but also a fairly high crime area. He said, the
 shot 
 of a modest bungalow, with all the windows shuttered, was taken a
 few 
 weeks after the Cronulla riots (an ugly episode 2 years ago now).
 What 
 was supposed to be a simple assignment became something more
 disturbing 
 for him as he got fearful and openly hostile responses from his 
 subjects. Great shot, and good on the judges for picking it over
 the 
 other more conventional Sydney=pleasure photos.
 
 But my pick was the ethereal Kings Cross portrait by Tom Williams.
 The 
 girl was just someone on the street the photographer saw and asked
 if 
 she would pose for him. She had been partying for 3 days without
 sleep. 
 Just beautiful (and yes, I know I am contradicting myself :)
 
 If you are in Sydney, today is the last day of the exhib.
 
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Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-20 Thread Tom C
So must the CEO of Hoya come directly to your house and tell you personally? 
It's been stated publicly that their strategy is to concentrate on products 
that will sell in higher volume and have a higher per unit profit.  At about 
the same time, it was announced that plans for marketing the 645D had been 
suspended, back-burnered, what ever you want to call it.

I'm just putting 1 + 1 together and coming up with 2.  When/if Pentax 
announces a digital 645 will be released I'll happily take them at their 
word.  Likewise, I have no idea if they'll make a FF body in the near 
future.  However, I think that is more likely given their strategy, than to 
build and sell a  camera, that will be a relatively low volume seller and 
the market for which, is fairly unknown.  A FF 24 X 36 body provides an 
upgrade path for APS-C body owners, while a 645 upgrade means starting over.

What will they actually do? The CEO hasn't told me. :-)

Tom C.


From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:06:27 -0400

No.
On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:37 AM, Tom C wrote:

  No.  But I read publicly available industry reports and news items
  and am
  referring to what I read.  Good enough?
 
  Tom C.
 
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next
  camera(s)
  Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:49:10 +
 
  Tom,
  You know Hoya management? Can you introduce them to the rest of us?
  Paul
   -- Original message --
  From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  May be, but relative comparisons like that don't necessarially fly
  with those holding the purse strings.
 
  I just can't see Hoya management, more pragmatic than the former
  Pentax mgmt., going down a risky road with a 645D.
 
  Tom C.
 
  On 10/19/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  So did Mamiya. Pentax is a lot more healthy.
 
  -Adam
 
  Tom C wrote:
  Pentax basically ignored the 35mm market for several decades
  and did
  have a respectable MF presence.  Where has that gotten them to
  today?
 
 
  Tom C.
 
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  Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:18:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
 
  645 bodies and lenses are gone from the Pentaximaging web
  site. If
  the
  645d does return it will be a large scale New Product
  introduction.
  Something I don't think Pentax has the chutzpah to carry off. Nor
  do I
  think they have the production capacity to meet any kind of real
  demand
  for new 645 lenses. Hell they can't even keep up with demand
  for K
  mount
  lenses.
 
  All true, but BH still list a number of 645 lenses, most in
  stock.
  Pentax's immediate challenge would be some normal and wide-
  angle 645
  lenses, and they already have a new normal lens on the lens map.
  Joe
 
 
 
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Re: GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/10/07, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:

The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in
October.

Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

Bill

VERY nice Bill. Hope you had a good time :-)

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Re: Lens purchase saga

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
That was what happened to me, on a lower budget item. I ordered a $150 stereo 
microphone and the accessory package was torn open (to make matters worse it 
was 
a zip lock bag) and the adapters were missing. They did offer me my money back 
but buying the parts at Radio Shack was cheaper than the postage sending it 
back 
would be. They would not just send me the adapters, like I was going to rip 
them 
off for a couple of $1.00 parts (cost me $6.99/pr at RS, but you know what 
their 
prices are like). Not a big loss even for me but it does show their attitude. I 
would rather do business on eBay.


Derby Chang wrote:
 Me too, graywolf.
 
 Adorama have generally been ok for me, except when I bought the P67 
 100mm macro, which I am sure the listing said w/ life converter. When 
 it arrived, no converter. They said they packed everything that came 
 with the lens. The listing of course wasn't on the site any more (and 
 dummy me, I didn't save a copy).
 
 Oh well.
 
 D
 
 
 
 
 graywolf wrote:
 Adorama ripped me off recently. BH has never ripped me off. To each his 
 own, I 
 guess.


 Stan Halpin wrote:
   
 I have had generally good success with both. Adorama has tended to  
 have better selection of Pentax gear in the last few years. What got  
 me steamed about my recent experience is that they arbitrarily  
 cancelled my order and, even worse in my mind, did not let me know.
 I was not too surprised about the cancellation. My confirmed (?)  
 order was for the lens at a price which was $60 or so less than the  
 current discount-photo price. I was mildly surprised that they  
 honored the original price with the DA* 50-135. But what I did  
 expect, what I expect from any company with good customer service,  
 would have been an email along the lines of: we regret that we  
 cannot fill your order at the original price due to Pentax pricing  
 changes in the period since you first placed the order. Please  
 confirm that you still want the lens at the new price = $xxx.xx.  
 Instead they just cancelled the order.

 stan

 On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
   
 I've never dealt with Adorama. For some reason, they've always seemed
 a rather odd outfit to me. The folks at BH get most of my business.
 
 I've dealt with both. There's not a fig's worth of difference  
 between them.

 Both offer a fairly good selection and both give good service. I've  
 had
 the occasional problem with either one, but always had the problem
 resolved to my satisfaction.

 If I can't find something I need from a local dealer (like to keep  
 those
 local dealers in business in case I need 'em later), I won't  
 hesitate to
 purchase from either Adorama or BH.

 Sometimes one has the better price, sometimes the other does.

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More GFM

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Owens
A shot some of you will be familiar with.  Sorry for the reflection, but it
was taken through the windshield

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548727

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Re: Starfighters Co. (was: Completely and totally OT: Politics)

2007-10-20 Thread graywolf
I don't know what it is but it looks like it has RR Merlin engine.


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RE: GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Owens
Thanks, Cotty.

We had a good time after being stalled in traffic for over an hour behind
other cars heading for GFM.  We ran into the stationary parking lot about 
a mile and a half short of the entrance.

Bill

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Subject: Re: GFM in October

On 20/10/07, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:

The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in
October.

Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

Bill

VERY nice Bill. Hope you had a good time :-)

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Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Sorenson
H...I just tried it w/55 6mp images and it took less than a minute. 
  The only thing I didn't do was add a watermark, but I can't imagine 
that would add a lot of time to the process.

-p

David J Brooks wrote:
 On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The latest version of JAlbum is 7.3.  It will resize the images for you
 and the Chameleon skin has a watermark function so all you need to do
 externally is re-name the files.
 
 I tried that on the ibbok version. I dragged about 200 full size
 photos into the album, and hit the generate button. The time shows 5
 hours to make the album.
 
 Thats when i gave up on it.
 
 Dave
 -p

 David J Brooks wrote:
 Himm.

 I have a version here on the ibook, but maybe i'll down load on for
 the PC and see what it does.

 I could always use CKRename for rnaming, then irfanview for resize and
 water marking, then drag the smaller pictures into jalbum.

 Might be worth a try, and a different look for 2008

 Dave

 On 10/20/07, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave -

 Try using JAlbum as your gallery generator - the one Scott is using for
 the PUG gallery.  Right clicking on the image only gets you the link to
 previous, index page or next image.  At least, that's the way it
 works w/Firefox 2.0.0.8.

 -p

 David J Brooks wrote:
 Nope, does not work in the BBPro web pages.

 I tried it in several locations in the head, and i still get the save
 picture as pop ups.

 Dave

 On 10/13/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave, drop this line into the head of any web page.

  body oncontextmenu=return false;

 That will do it as best as you can.

 Here is a simple HTML:
 --code starts below this line--
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN

 html

  head
   meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1
 body oncontextmenu=return false;
   titleA Picture/title
  /head

  body bgcolor=black
   pfont color=blackI suck!!/font/p
 center
 pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=1/p
 pimg src=nytimes.jpg/p
 pimg src=shim1.gif width=1 height=16/p
 /center
  /body
 /html
 -code ends above this
 line-
 Note where I located the line mentioned.

 Now go here and try to save the picture using either right click or 
 keyboard
 shorcuts.

 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/nytimes.html

 This will stop the casual web browser. As has been mentioned before, 
 nothing
 can stop the serious people who are intent on grabbing your content no
 matter what.

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Re: GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Bob Sullivan
Nice Bill, more color than in Chicago!  Glad to see you made it over there.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in
 October.

 Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

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RE: GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Owens
Thanks, Bob

We were surprised how bright the colors were since it's been so dry around
here

Bill

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Nice Bill, more color than in Chicago!  Glad to see you made it over there.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/20/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in
 October.

 Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

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One more

2007-10-20 Thread Bill Owens
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548727

Last one from today's trip (Saturday) to GFM

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Re: GFM in October

2007-10-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Bill Owens wrote:

The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there 
in
October.

Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526

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Nice one, Bill!

I'm hoping to go down there next weekend.



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